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Speaker 1: Approach production. You're retired, Yeah, I retired.

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Speaker 2: We won the UBSA and wo ornential title while up

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Speaker 2: one in issue from Japan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a will title.

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Speaker 2: There and the WO one gave me a rating in

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Speaker 2: the top ten of the Cruiseways, but it was only

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Speaker 2: like heavyweight, so we took that fight. I don't catchway

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Speaker 2: at eighty four, So yeah, I gave a good opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Is probably in the wrong weight class.

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Speaker 2: And then obviously things changed in my life and I

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Speaker 2: end up ended up becoming our little bikey.

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Speaker 3: So do you think because of your reputation in the

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Speaker 3: boxing scene that led you down that path?

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Speaker 2: But definitely how I was having creditials you be able

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Speaker 2: to look after yourself. I mean just with me wanting

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Speaker 2: hold yourself Roight Bay and you know. And so I

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Speaker 2: don't think they didn't really source me out. I mean

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Speaker 2: I ended up there through mutual mates, and I liked

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Speaker 2: the lifestyle and.

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Speaker 1: The boxing was sort of so earlier on in my career.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't party, I wouldn't go in the smokers. There

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Speaker 2: of a nightclub because I thought they put my light,

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Speaker 2: you know, I mean, so it.

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Speaker 1: Sounded like me. So that was early in my career.

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Speaker 2: Then I retired at twenty nine twenty yeah, so when

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Speaker 2: I start getting seven twenty eight, but I've been doing

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Speaker 2: it since a young age.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Once I taste the nightclub life in Melbourne at the

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Speaker 2: time was booming.

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Speaker 1: And once you.

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Speaker 2: Taste the bit of the party scene and the thing done,

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Speaker 2: the bit of a part of you and there, once

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Speaker 2: you do that, you started thinking maybe something better. So

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Speaker 2: then that's sort of that sort of was the start

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Speaker 2: of the end of my boxing career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, then went onto.

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Speaker 3: That and plus there wasn't many a much money getting

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Speaker 2: No, that's right, and I was just like I had

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Speaker 2: good people in my corner looking after me. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: the money, the money was never great in boxing itself,

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Speaker 2: not like it is now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's again.

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Speaker 2: We can thank the social media and networks like this

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Speaker 2: for getting people's names out there and getting them onto

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Speaker 3: When you did join the scene, like when you were

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Speaker 3: you knew them, but that way, did you want to

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Speaker 3: leave to go back to boxing in any time there

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Speaker 3: was it was a bit there. But did you think

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Speaker 3: that I've I've made the right decision here?

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Speaker 2: You know what, when you know what it is now

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Speaker 2: in hindsight, now I'm forty three, I look back and

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Speaker 2: think I should have gone back, and there was I

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Speaker 2: had a lot of it was haired herely that's very Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I retired earlier and I could have gone back. I

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Speaker 2: had a lot of oportunities to go back. I think

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Speaker 2: when you're twenty nine to thirty, you think you give

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Speaker 2: me that age forever and obviously end up in prison

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Speaker 2: at thirty two. It wasn't much of a gap. So

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Speaker 2: the times I did think of it, you think I

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Speaker 2: can do it later? Yeah, I'm enjoying this too much?

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Speaker 2: Or the parties young it was.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever only get any any of your former

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Speaker 3: trainers telling you, listen, Johnny, get out man.

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Speaker 1: You know what?

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Speaker 2: A lot of the keyword that always you just be careful,

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Speaker 2: so obviously you weren't wrapped in the decision. Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: never said that to my face. But I'm saying, as

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Speaker 1: Through the fact they're just trying to give you a

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Speaker 3: Wow, I can't believe you tired it like fucking do it?

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Speaker 3: That's that's actic. Yeah, we tired young. Yeah, very long

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Speaker 1: How many how much of fights do you have? About

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Speaker 1: eighty amateur fights? Wow? Yeah, about eighty amateur fights?

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Speaker 2: And then we had twenty three pro with the last

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Speaker 2: into my progress then my amateurs, especially like all through

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Speaker 2: twelve rounders with three different opponents. So we're doing we're

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Speaker 2: doing title fights in the gym. The time we got

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Speaker 1: I was gone before on the ring.

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Speaker 2: So when we're when we'll train for twelve rounders, would

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Speaker 1: You're like heayway, get a.

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Speaker 2: Cruisewait in there and then he lay on you and

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Speaker 2: put pressure on you for twelve rounds.

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Speaker 1: Wow, and so we'll spark. I was banged up.

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Speaker 2: I see my name now and she remembers back in

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Speaker 2: my boss, there wasn't a week now have a black eye.

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Speaker 2: And so we were we were constant wars. I remember sparn.

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Speaker 2: We've we've sparred spars in the gym that would say

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean, so now now they mastered the

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Speaker 1: It's all about being an athleet now yeah.

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Speaker 2: And it's about being smarter y, not tougher, and it's

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Speaker 2: back then that old school mentality, I'd wear three to

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Speaker 2: give one good one. I'd wear three if I could

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Speaker 2: knock someone out, yea. So this would go on for

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Speaker 2: twelve rounds, you imen, So the amount of damage that

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Speaker 1: So what's the bigges highlights in your boxing career?

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Speaker 2: Would you say we're definitely win up in Sydney, that

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Speaker 2: that hap to be one of them. I mean we

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Speaker 2: won the IVF austral Asians, won that twice, defending that twice,

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Speaker 2: three times, defending that. Just the journey itself, I think

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Speaker 1: Was an opponent that you wish you could afford.

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Speaker 2: Not really that I wish I could afford. Nah, I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't say like I said, I never really never.

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Speaker 1: I never were too much, just turned up.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't real, But back then there wasn't real rivals

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Speaker 2: like there wasn't. Me and Daniel Porky Love were meant

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Speaker 2: to have a fight recently before I had the seizure

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Speaker 2: after the last one, and people that were taking that

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Speaker 2: on as a grudge match. It was never a grudge match.

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Speaker 2: Me and dam My, me and Porky were good mates

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Speaker 2: for years. We're best of mates throughout boxing career, sparing

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Speaker 2: partners by mates. That fight was just getting get put

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Speaker 2: and obviously it was a salad for the promoters. But no,

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Speaker 2: I never really had rivals. I wonder the fight or

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Speaker 3: Really well, never thought about coming with trainer, boxing trainer, Nah, No,

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Speaker 3: just over it. I didn't think about it coming a

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Speaker 3: Tonic boxing gym. Now that's why I finished up. That's

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Speaker 3: probably my last probably ten pro fights. Obviously, before prison,

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Speaker 3: I was always thinking back down and help him. Even

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Speaker 2: It's just commitment. It's just time. I mean, I know

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Speaker 2: what it's like. I've been a fighter. Once you put

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Speaker 2: that time into someone, you got to you gotta committain

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Speaker 2: that you committed.

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Speaker 1: You gotta.

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Speaker 2: I mean, days are sick that it's trainers. Not enough

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Speaker 1: The trainer doesn't turn off. There's no point in the

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Speaker 2: That's right, And people don't give them the respect they

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Speaker 2: deserve because end of the day we're in they're doing

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Speaker 2: the hard yards, but they're turning up and they're not

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Speaker 2: just turn enough for one fighter. Remember, so we're down

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Speaker 2: there training, we're doing what we have to do. But

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Speaker 2: that they've got to be committed to each seven and

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Speaker 2: it's it's precument.

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Speaker 3: When you when you did join the biking scene, like you,

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Speaker 1: You at the time when Yeah, because you've already made

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Speaker 2: I could. What are we doing because let's do it?

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Speaker 2: Or what you know, what do we got to do?

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Speaker 2: Because I want to be the best. I don't want

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Speaker 2: got to have that attitude in the gym to become anything.

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Speaker 2: You don't want to be just the bokes skip it

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Speaker 2: Mayam and obviously you end up like the.

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Speaker 1: Word gets around, Yeah, work gets around, and you become

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Speaker 1: a target. Yeah that's right. And then they want to

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Speaker 1: real thing. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: And when you, like I said, when you come from

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Speaker 3: Know that your your rivals from the baker saying I

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Speaker 3: know that, But they to bring more pressure from the

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Speaker 3: cops and media on you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah one like during them days obviously raids and like that.

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Speaker 2: It's not even as bad as it is today, but

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Speaker 2: raids were yeah, like from not getting any last thing.

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Speaker 2: I had my first chargement two thousand and nine for

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Speaker 2: cultivating I recall with a tasy gun and a few

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Speaker 1: Going from that to.

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Speaker 2: Having your door kicked in looking for guns, looking for

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Speaker 2: after crimes have been community that had nothing to do

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Speaker 2: I was hanging around. But yeah, your doors come off here.

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Speaker 2: I mean so yeah, definitely grows a lot of tension.

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Speaker 2: you a thing in you to say should I get out?

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Speaker 2: Like like you're bringing a lot of tensions. I said,

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Speaker 2: you just brought the raids. I know from what I

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Speaker 2: used to get up to and all like that. Sometimes

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Speaker 2: I go on, go, is this is fucking worth it?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Like I was just over

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Speaker 1: it is at times.

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Speaker 2: Obviously a young son so when I joined the club,

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Speaker 2: you do, three years old, obviously went through a relationship

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Speaker 2: break there with his mum at the time. So the

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Speaker 2: only thing that I like what you're saying there, I

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Speaker 2: that would stop sometimes come over my head is obviously thinking,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's all worth it. But then it takes

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Speaker 2: a night out of my club as the boys and it's.

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Speaker 3: You forget by. Yeah, I get I get that. I

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Speaker 3: get that because like I go home and I go

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Speaker 3: is it worth it? And then you got I get

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Speaker 3: back in the cross and I go, it's forgotten.

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Speaker 1: That's right, It's like that's going to sure yeah, back, sure,

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Speaker 1: it's back on.

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Speaker 3: Wow. But how was like, like describe that life? Like

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Speaker 3: what was it like for you to be in that

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Speaker 3: kind of lifestyle fast? Real and just just was the

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Speaker 3: power I'm real? Yeah, yeah, definitely really love.

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Speaker 2: I mean back then, so you'd ride your box right

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Speaker 2: into a well known nightclub without naming any and just

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Speaker 2: walk straight in. They know you are sort of thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: straight straight through pay straight through veil pay section. That

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Speaker 2: sort of power gets to your head. I mean you

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Speaker 2: look at it when you're a bit old, a thing

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Speaker 2: who cares, yeah, you knowing all one up, you know.

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Speaker 2: But when you're when you're young.

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Speaker 3: And unplus you've got it. If you if you're with

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Speaker 3: certain people in from your club, you have to put

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Speaker 3: that persona on.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. You got to always have that,

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Speaker 1: you know, even though you might not want to do it.

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Speaker 3: Like sometimes when I was out with my baites, at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, I have to put that

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Speaker 3: persona on.

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Speaker 1: I can't look like weak, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's the same well, the same thing being with the

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Speaker 2: clubs is being in jail, you like, the doors get

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Speaker 2: locked at seven thirty, they reopen at seven thirty.

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Speaker 1: From that twelve hours, twelve hour day, you putting the

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Speaker 1: persona on. Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't matter if you're having a bad day,

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Speaker 2: if you had a fight with the missile on the phone,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if someone's passed away outside. You've got

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Speaker 2: to be that person there one thinks you are, because

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Speaker 2: if you're not, and you let your guard down for

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Speaker 2: a second, it's the same. It doesn't matter in that

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Speaker 2: life or in prison. It's the same thing. You know,

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Speaker 2: you let your guard down for in second. That's enough time.

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