WEBVTT - Survivor Isn't the Hardest Thing Kirby Bentley has Been Through 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:10.440 Twentieth person voted out. 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:12.039 The seventh member of our jury. 0:00:12.600 --> 0:00:17.240 Kirby, I have played natural leg metbal. That's only ten years, Okay. 0:00:17.880 --> 0:00:20.640 I played for perth Oil, which is Jeeva. I went 0:00:20.680 --> 0:00:21.279 to the AIS. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:25.960 What's that, Okay, I'm not surprised. 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:30.000 And then I played AFL vice captain Freemantle. 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:35.040 Okay, played at Carlton and then then I coached aflw 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:36.559 pyboll back. 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.360 To Kirby Bentley seldom to Kady there Kirby Bentley Jones 0:00:39.360 --> 0:00:42.880 on that lamp cal Sentley. She's started and that's pretty 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.320 exciting as well because Bentley has converted and kicked the 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:52.800 goal for Freeman. I just want to continue the conversation 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:58.800 that we were having off R about blackfellows. First, can 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:01.080 I ask you tell me about your mob. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:06.800 Yes, So I am a Junga, wang Guy Yamajee from 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:11.120 Western Australia. Both parents are Aboriginal and my bloodlines are 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:15.360 attached to the Wangai, Nyunga and Yamajee tribes. But yeah, 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.959 I belong to a few different country lands. So when 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.720 you look at say the state of Wa, there's different 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.560 country towns. Yeah, essentially that's what our country lands look like. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:29.480 So places that we belong to, and you've got a few, 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.360 I have a few because my grandparents original great grandparents 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.199 are Aboriginal. Obviously both parents are, and it's on both 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.479 sides of the family. So if I want to look 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:40.600 for a life partner, I can't look in wa if 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:41.600 I want a black one. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:43.600 Be related. 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:46.759 When I was in Darwin or when I was in Kakadu, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:51.120 they were explaining certain people can't be with other certain 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:52.920 people in mob. Is that right? 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:53.320 Yeah? 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.880 Traditions are different in different tribes. 0:01:57.120 --> 0:02:00.160 So if we draw a line across the middle of Australia, 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.720 the top half are different with the way that they 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:06.560 sort of work, so their skin group or whoever that 0:02:06.640 --> 0:02:08.440 family is, Yeah, you can't really cross over. 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:09.040 That's it. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.760 Yeah, different sort of traditions with who you can speak to, 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.679 who you can't speak to. But down south because there's 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.600 a lot of stolen generations, and our names are also different. 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.639 My last name is a white last name and it's 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:23.520 not even my real last name, so it's hard for us. 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.600 We need to ask who's your mob, who's your name, 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:27.880 who's your pop? Who do you call on Klan Narni? 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.600 And how do I know if that's the truth. And 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:32.400 then I need to go on vet check and do 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:34.480 my own ancestry dot Com through my name. 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:36.560 So it's complicated. 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.320 You don't know what your real last name is. 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:42.640 So my mum's dad is Irish and when her grandfather 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:47.720 came into Australia, it was O'shanna say right, and the 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:50.960 Irish weren't very welcomed, so they changed it to Bentley. 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.480 So it's a white last name, which makes a little 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:57.560 bit more acceptable because at that time it is the 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:58.560 one that I can't afford. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:02.600 Obviously I lost Survivor, so up for it? 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:03.040 Yeah? 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:03.440 Good? 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:05.520 Would you buy Bentley? 0:03:06.240 --> 0:03:07.960 Oh no, I would like to be sponsored by them, 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:12.400 but I would by Bentley for Bentley. Yes, that's it. 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.919 Okay. So Mount Barker is where you grew up in 0:03:16.880 --> 0:03:20.320 white terms, What was it like growing up there? 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:23.519 Yeah, Mount Barker, small country town, Western Australia. 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:27.720 If anyone knows w A, you know very well it's 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:32.160 it's a very white and black country and Mount. 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:34.320 Barker was just that. I. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.320 I was a pretty naive kid, so I didn't know 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.640 a lot about different ethnicity, so I didn't know about cultures. 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.560 I this how naive I was. 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:45.040 I used to watch the movies and think that that 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:47.680 was just an accent for the movies and everyone was Australian. 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.920 The world was Australia, and that just was it. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:51.080 I thought the same thing. 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:55.280 Yeah, it's wild that where your head goes. So living 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.520 in this country town, like all of my best mates 0:03:57.520 --> 0:04:01.760 were white boys, and I I was obviously his original kid. 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.760 I was proud to be our original because my family. 0:04:04.440 --> 0:04:08.640 Who are who they are and they really made sure 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:11.120 that I knew that and that's who I was and 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.680 I didn't lose that. But yeah, I grew up with 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.800 racism and hearing it and seeing it. And that's not 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:18.560 just from the white people. It's from my own family 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:22.400 sometimes too, So you get pretty torn when you're a kid. 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.240 So part of the language was coconut, the term of coconut. 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:28.440 So you're black on the outside, but you're acting white 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.000 or you think you're white or whatever, and that's hard 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.600 to hear because that is not who I am or 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:37.279 you know who our family was so well, and it's 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.120 just it's a slurt, like it's a it's an insult 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.839 meant to hurt, and they know, you know, it's just 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.720 in America, they say Oreo and Whitney used to get 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:53.320 that because she started singing pop music and they booing her, 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.840 Like when she was accepting the Soul Train Award like 0:04:57.200 --> 0:05:00.520 her own, people were booing her and calling her an orange, Like, 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.680 I don't know what kind of pain that would cause. 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:06.880 It's sad. 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.800 It's sad because we don't know which sort of world 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:13.000 to walk in it and I speak big on it now, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.640 like I feel like I walk in three worlds. So 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.760 there's my culture, the Aboriginal space that I live in yep. 0:05:20.200 --> 0:05:23.720 Then there's where I'm Aboriginal but engaging with you know, 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:27.120 white Australians or everyone else within Australia. And then the 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:29.880 white world, which is if I'm sitting in a room 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:33.400 full of corporates. I need to present in that space 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.200 because it needs to make I need to make people 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:40.960 around me feel comfortable and empowered and you know, in control, 0:05:41.120 --> 0:05:43.680 because that's just that's just what it is for us. 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:47.320 And as an Aboriginal person, but as an Aboriginal woman 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:52.159 in Australia, that's huge because we're not looked at as 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:56.560 somebody that adds value or is a commodity in society. 0:05:56.680 --> 0:05:58.720 And that's sad to say, and it's sad to hear, 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.360 which is why a lot of what I do. 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.760 Yeah good. It breaks my heart that we don't value 0:06:06.000 --> 0:06:10.960 Aboriginal everything. You know. Dark Emu is such an amazing book, 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:16.320 and the documentary on the controversy about that, you know, 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:20.320 him being had to go out by in his white dickhead. 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:25.440 But the documentary and the book, like, it's amazing. How 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.560 you know, the most important thing I think to take 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:33.560 away from it was they're not just ancestral people, like 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.760 they're not just you know native, you know, kind of 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:40.880 living off the land, like these were archaeologists, these were builders, 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:45.080 these were you know, what we can learn about the environment, 0:06:45.160 --> 0:06:49.559 the rain, the weather, the building structures, is so many 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:54.000 things that we're just not valuing or listening to or asking. 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:58.239 Drives me insane way. It's just it's such an ego 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:04.320 driven world. I think as an Indigenous woman hard an 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:12.240 Indigenous man must be so disenfranchised, you know, you're at 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:16.480 the bottom of the wrong and they're just above you, 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:23.720 and how they're feeling so demeaned. And then there's a 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:27.320 lot of unspoken about. But what we're starting to we 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:32.480 need to start speaking about family violence within the communities 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.600 as well. Just the other day you went to the 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:41.480 Senate inquiry was it for inquiry into family violence of 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:47.440 Indigenous women, missing women and murdered women? Tell me about that. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.640 I had to share my story or our story through 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.440 the murder of Annie Andres and Mumum's sister. And it 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:58.880 was probably the first time that I because I had 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:02.040 written it out, i'd shared it and read the words 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:06.960 that I'd written, but felt them genuinely and emotionally, and 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:09.080 it was the first time I was choked up because 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.480 this is so real and so raw, and it's still 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:15.559 happening fifteen years later. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:17.360 Nothing has changed from that. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.720 So the failing the system of the police, of the 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.160 agencies and letting her down, it should never have happened 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:28.320 in the first place because he had breached the restraining 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:32.079 order and they just didn't take it seriously. Their assumption was, 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.200 and they say it to a lot of our women, 0:08:34.800 --> 0:08:36.880 you're going to go back, so you know, like, just 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:37.840 give it a few days. 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:42.400 No one knows a perpetrator better than the victim. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.520 And when somebody's coming to you and saying this is 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.440 what he's capable of, this is what he does, This 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:49.240 is how I know him and I need you to 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.040 help me, and they just look at her, go, oh, 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:52.920 you might go back. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.720 So let's just hang on a second. It's hard to hear. 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:58.640 So to be able to share the story and the 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:03.840 truth about it to people who hopefully can create and 0:09:03.880 --> 0:09:06.960 make changes and make decisions that will allow us and 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.920 hear the families that have actually experienced it, we can 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.360 do something with that. So it was powerful and yeah, 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:17.679 generally the first time I've been upset, yeah, speaking to it. 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:19.960 And there were ten of you there speaking. 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:23.439 Yeah. So we all spoke separately and shared our stories. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.680 And as much as there were differences, they're definitely very very. 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:34.720 Much sadly too many similarities. Four Corners did an episode 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:36.920 on Andrea Pickett. We were going to put that in 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:40.240 our show notes. I highly recommend everyone listening to go 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:42.960 and watch it. It's on iView and we just click the link. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.319 You'll go straight to it and start watching it. It's 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:48.520 all about Andrea Kirby's in it. You're such a baby 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:53.360 in it. Yeah, you're such a young girl, your mum, 0:09:54.320 --> 0:09:58.440 your sister, such strong women. Also at the end, there's 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:04.840 another breaking story about a Japanese woman very similar What 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:08.280 stood out to me, which will to everyone watching. It 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:14.400 was the phone call of your sister calling saying, we 0:10:14.440 --> 0:10:17.720 need help right now, We need help right now. You know, 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:20.959 we've just seen him and we don't know what to do. 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:24.160 You need to get a helicopter or something to find him. 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:26.360 He's out. Yeah, and they ignored. 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:27.600 Yeah. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:27.960 Yeah. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:33.520 That was a really powerful moment in that. It's so funny. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:35.760 I was speaking to somebody the other day and how 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:39.480 calm we are as women, but as Aboriginal women, but 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.319 how calm we are as women because we know that 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.319 we need to hold our shit together because I need 0:10:46.360 --> 0:10:49.600 to protect who's around me. And with that phone call, 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:52.440 he'd come over the hill and was on Mirbooka Av 0:10:52.679 --> 0:10:54.920 in one of the Perth main streets, and he'd come 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.520 out with a knife and obviously went towards Annieandrea. And 0:10:58.760 --> 0:11:03.040 my sister was calm, and you can hear it calm clear, 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.160 but you can hear it in her voice that she 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:10.240 was in a panic, and she was very clear articulated, 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:13.640 count Child's picket has just attacked my auntie or a 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.520 mere booker Av. He's right here now, he's running to 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:19.080 the bush. This is the direction he's going here. It 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:21.880 was very clear of what she had given them, and 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.760 I think they'd taken half an hour for them to 0:11:24.800 --> 0:11:28.760 even respond, first of all, and then secondly, within that 0:11:28.880 --> 0:11:33.120 time frame, he'd gone from attacking Annie Andrea and the girls, 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:35.680 so there was my sister and two cousins to running 0:11:35.679 --> 0:11:39.120 to the house where she was staying, attacking another auntie 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:43.280 in her house, and then cutting the brake lines all 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:48.120 within that space and then he left. So he still 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:51.080 hadn't been found. He still wasn't even I don't think 0:11:51.120 --> 0:11:51.880 that nobody. 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:52.400 Even looked for him. 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:53.800 He was looking. 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.440 Yeah, it was just obviously that clear instruction of where 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:57.679 he is, very clear. 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.840 Like clear instruction of what to do to get him too, 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.880 like she's smart women, and they still did nothing. And 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.800 you know, on that actual episode there's a guy speaking 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.680 about how you know most of them just go back, 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:14.120 so yeah, you just you know, you ignore it. They 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:16.640 said it like they just say it, they admit it, 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:22.199 and they have no shame in it. It's sad, it's. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:25.319 Tragic that was your sister. Would you respond the same, like. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.199 Exactly, I mean, it shouldn't even be that, that shouldn't 0:12:29.200 --> 0:12:32.400 even be a question. It's a human that and you 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:37.280 are in you're working for us, you are working in service, 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:41.840 community service. You're supposed to serve and protect all humans. 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:46.440 And if there's a perpetrate who's done something illegal, go 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.959 grab them. Why wouldn't you want to as a job. 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.480 The systemic racism is just so rife, as you know, 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:58.000 but they're not even ashamed of it. 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.600 You can't even like let it hit you emotionally because 0:13:02.000 --> 0:13:03.199 it just makes you angry. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:04.120 Does that make sense? 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.720 You can't absolutely if you think too much about it, 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.040 you're just gonna get angry, upset, frustrated, and all these 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:11.840 emotions that you can't control. 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.120 And then you're just a hysterical black woman. Stop it, Like, 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.439 look at her now, Yes, hysterical? You know, an angry 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:22.360 woman is just such to me? Are given why we're 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:25.559 not angry out? Why we are not slaughtering? I don't know, 0:13:26.000 --> 0:13:29.040 because we don't do that, that's why. But we have 0:13:29.200 --> 0:13:35.040 every right to as women. It's unbelievable like what we're 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:39.319 happening to women, and we get told off for being angry. 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.720 About it, because why should be? Yeah? 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.480 So, a level of protection that you have to have 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.000 for yourself and the boundaries you must have to put 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:52.640 in place, so your emotions stay in check would be 0:13:52.679 --> 0:13:56.360 so exhausting, your drenal levels would be fucked. 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.520 We don't know any different, right, so. 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:02.560 Well, and then you once you do know different, that's 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:05.319 when the anger comes, and it comes in spurts, and 0:14:05.600 --> 0:14:07.240 you know, and then you have to deal with that anger. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:09.679 Then you have to push that back down, and then 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:14.079 that starts festering in you, and you know, there's it 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.120 just it just doesn't stop. And I see why. You know, 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:22.640 the people they just opt out, you know, especially men 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:26.400 in these kind of situations, they just opt out. They 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.920 you know, you look at so much colonialism and you know, 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:35.440 slavery and the way people of color have been treated 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:40.840 by the white man, and how they've been so degraded. 0:14:41.600 --> 0:14:44.880 So I'm really glad that you're in the space of 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:49.120 making a difference and talking and I really appreciate you coming, 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.440 and you know, because I know my listeners are just 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.640 really interested in this kind of thing, and I just 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:57.720 am so grateful, you know, that you're making us such 0:14:57.720 --> 0:15:00.440 a huge difference. I just want to to say a 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:04.440 few stats. Twenty percent of homicide victims in Australia or 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:09.400 Aboriginal in Torres Strait Islander despite only representing three point 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:16.400 eight percent of the population. I'm no mathematician, but something stinks. 0:15:17.480 --> 0:15:21.520 Almost a fifth of those victims of children the First 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.000 Nations women are thirty three times more likely to be 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.720 hospitalized and six times more likely to die due to 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.240 family violence in comparison to non Indigenous women. 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:33.800 Yeah, it's scary stats. 0:15:33.840 --> 0:15:35.320 It's a scary stum. 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.680 I think I'll just say this. When I started the inquest, 0:15:38.800 --> 0:15:41.640 the first thing I asked the panelist to think about 0:15:41.840 --> 0:15:44.640 is would you like to be an Aboriginal person or 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:46.560 treated like an Aboriginal person in Australia? 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:48.720 Genuinely right, think about that? 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.720 And would you like to be treated as an Aboriginal 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.080 woman in Australia? And would you be comfortable and happy 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.640 with that to be able to live by that and 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.600 live through that, and just think about that when I 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:03.280 share the story. So after that, it was they had 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.359 come to me and said that was the most powerful 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:10.360 starting statement because they genuinely tried to reflect and really 0:16:10.440 --> 0:16:13.200 think like do I want to be an Aboriginal person 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:15.760 in Australia? And do I want to be an Aboriginal female? 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.600 And there females in the room. So if your answers no, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:20.720 then obviously clearly something's wrong. 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.160 Yeah. Yeah, and it would have been an immediate no 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:24.080 in their head. 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:27.240 Yeah, yes, because we know, like that's right, we know 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:29.760 how we treat you, you know how. Yeah, but people 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:33.880 have this delusional thought that we are we get given 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:37.320 everything and everything's sort of easy for us and everything's free. 0:16:37.360 --> 0:16:42.080 But it's just not. So it is such a halassy, 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:45.120 it is such a fallacy wild. I just can't comprehend it. 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.600 But well, you know, we've got two governments who have 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:52.360 worked pretty hard at making that rhetoric, putting it out 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.320 there and you know, perpetuating it and letting it that 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.960 fire build, you know, not doubt like not put it 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.000 out and saying that that's just simply not true. They're 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.760 happy to let that racist trope be credits divide does 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:08.000 exactly exactly. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.280 That's what politics is all about, Like it's creating divide, 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.560 and that's why we can't make decisions to protect the 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.040 human We can't you do what is right morally. 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.920 No, that's right. And if they if they took care 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:25.000 of you, there would be more of you making decisions 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:25.920 and they can't have that. 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.560 So what's saying with women right, absolutely. 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.320 And that's why I think everyone that's listening just really 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:36.280 think about that when you go to polls, when you 0:17:37.560 --> 0:17:41.040 have these conversations. Is it true? Is that true that 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.720 you know Indigenous people are getting all of this free ship? 0:17:43.880 --> 0:17:44.480 Is that true? 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:47.400 You know, don't you tell me where to go? I'm 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:48.560 stuck for a house at the moment. 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:55.200 Yes. Now, you went on to Survivor this year and 0:17:55.880 --> 0:18:01.239 we just met serendipitously during the airing of that at 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.880 a Dog part, which was just wonderful because I was 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:09.400 watching it and I had just in my the week 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:14.480 before in my solo episode mentioned you and how I 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:19.280 actually thought you were a Maori woman. Yeah, because it 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:25.360 had just begun and it wasn't clear yet, so I 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:27.360 was like, oh, she's wanted to look out for that one, 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.360 like she's gonna mess some shit up. Like and then 0:18:30.359 --> 0:18:31.760 I met you and it was like, oh my god, 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.840 this is so cause really early on in there and 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.840 you were like, you know, obviously can't say anything. And 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.159 what made you go on because you even said it 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.240 on the show. You're not a Survivor fan. You've not 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:44.159 watched it before? 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:48.080 No, I've never watched it. People trip out that I 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:50.640 say that and it's true, especially the super fans. 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:51.760 Oh my god. Yes. 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:54.560 I saw it on LinkedIn and I was at a 0:18:54.600 --> 0:18:57.080 stage in my life when I was sort of plateauing, 0:18:57.600 --> 0:18:59.960 like I like to be challenged, like stimulated. I want 0:18:59.960 --> 0:19:02.119 to grow and I want to develop on a change, 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.600 you know, I want to do all these things that 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:06.440 sort of keep me going. But I saw this on 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:09.400 LinkedIn and I was like, I didn't know that they 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.840 did it that way. Casting call on LinkedIn. Yeah, yeah, 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:14.960 it was random. I just remember seeing casting for Survivor 0:19:15.840 --> 0:19:19.560 season nine. I was like, yeah, I'll apply. So I applied, 0:19:19.600 --> 0:19:23.240 field it all out. I had a couple of interviews 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.040 and then they're like, oh, send us a video of yourself, 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:28.359 like Chelsea, your personality. And I was like, I'm not 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.320 doing that. That's embarrassing. Why would I do that? So 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:35.400 I just didn't because I was like I was genuinely embarrassed. 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:39.600 I was like, how do I show my personality? Like yeah, 0:19:39.640 --> 0:19:42.040 and I'm a real person, like just let me be. 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:43.560 So I didn't. 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:45.520 And then they called back like we really want to 0:19:45.560 --> 0:19:46.359 talk to you, like. 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.199 You know, and I said, I didn't send my video in, 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.520 so what do you want so we had another interview 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.720 and then yeah, a week later they called and said 0:19:55.119 --> 0:19:56.119 you're leaving two weeks. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.600 You're on the Rebels try. I was like yeah cool. 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:01.960 They're like, oh, do you know much about the Rebels 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:04.240 and Titans and da da da, And I was like, 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:06.120 not really, I don't really care. 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:06.959 I'll be fine. 0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:09.200 Like I'm good, I'll be fine. 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:10.560 I'm going to come forward. 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:11.600 Don't worry about me. 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.160 And I remember sitting just before we got taken out 0:20:15.359 --> 0:20:18.520 to the game to play. The producers came into the 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:21.280 room and they're like, hey, feeling you know, where's your 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.280 head at? And I was like, I'm good. As long 0:20:23.280 --> 0:20:25.080 as I don't get voted out first time, I'm good. 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.159 And they both looked at each other and like, we 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:29.439 think you might be a dark horse and I was like, 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:30.320 I don't know. 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.560 And you were, oh, he was so glad to watch, 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:38.159 you know, just you talking about like the application everything 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:40.080 and not sending it a bit like I'm just thinking 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.359 about all the super fans that have applied so many 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:46.200 times and I've done so many videos and the listening 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:49.360 or have listened or know already that that that's how 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:53.080 you got on. Like they were just pursuing you. You know, 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:56.480 you were such a perfect person for that show despite 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.280 not knowing anything about that show. But that's what I 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.639 loved about you. Watching your play was like watching the beginning. 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:06.200 And I've told you this, I'm not it wouldn't call 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:10.960 myself a super fan, but I've watched most seasons. I've 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:13.399 watched all the Australian seasons, and I watched all the 0:21:13.440 --> 0:21:17.720 early American seasons, and then it got same sameness, and 0:21:17.760 --> 0:21:21.680 then it got better because people really started to up 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:26.320 their game. So watching you was like watching the early 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:28.479 seasons of when they didn't know what they were in 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:32.440 for and seeing you navigate the way they navigated this 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:41.199 psychological game of wits and outwitting each other. And I 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:46.360 loved also that you are an athlete. Now you are 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:52.320 the very first Indigenous woman to be a coach in AFLW. 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:57.800 You are also an elite level netball player and you've 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:04.560