Speaker 1: Twentieth person voted out.
Speaker 2: The seventh member of our jury.
Speaker 1: Kirby, I have played natural leg metbal. That's only ten years, Okay.
Speaker 1: I played for perth Oil, which is Jeeva. I went
Speaker 1: to the AIS.
Speaker 2: What's that, Okay, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 3: And then I played AFL vice captain Freemantle.
Speaker 1: Okay, played at Carlton and then then I coached aflw
Speaker 1: pyboll back.
Speaker 2: To Kirby Bentley seldom to Kady there Kirby Bentley Jones
Speaker 2: on that lamp cal Sentley. She's started and that's pretty
Speaker 2: exciting as well because Bentley has converted and kicked the
Speaker 2: goal for Freeman. I just want to continue the conversation
Speaker 2: that we were having off R about blackfellows. First, can
Speaker 2: I ask you tell me about your mob.
Speaker 3: Yes, So I am a Junga, wang Guy Yamajee from
Speaker 3: Western Australia. Both parents are Aboriginal and my bloodlines are
Speaker 3: attached to the Wangai, Nyunga and Yamajee tribes. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I belong to a few different country lands. So when
Speaker 3: you look at say the state of Wa, there's different
Speaker 3: country towns. Yeah, essentially that's what our country lands look like.
Speaker 3: So places that we belong to, and you've got a few,
Speaker 3: I have a few because my grandparents original great grandparents
Speaker 3: are Aboriginal. Obviously both parents are, and it's on both
Speaker 3: sides of the family. So if I want to look
Speaker 3: for a life partner, I can't look in wa if
Speaker 3: I want a black one.
Speaker 1: Be related.
Speaker 2: When I was in Darwin or when I was in Kakadu,
Speaker 2: they were explaining certain people can't be with other certain
Speaker 2: people in mob. Is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Traditions are different in different tribes.
Speaker 3: So if we draw a line across the middle of Australia,
Speaker 3: the top half are different with the way that they
Speaker 3: sort of work, so their skin group or whoever that
Speaker 3: family is, Yeah, you can't really cross over.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, different sort of traditions with who you can speak to,
Speaker 3: who you can't speak to. But down south because there's
Speaker 3: a lot of stolen generations, and our names are also different.
Speaker 3: My last name is a white last name and it's
Speaker 3: not even my real last name, so it's hard for us.
Speaker 3: We need to ask who's your mob, who's your name,
Speaker 3: who's your pop? Who do you call on Klan Narni?
Speaker 3: And how do I know if that's the truth. And
Speaker 3: then I need to go on vet check and do
Speaker 3: my own ancestry dot Com through my name.
Speaker 1: So it's complicated.
Speaker 2: You don't know what your real last name is.
Speaker 3: So my mum's dad is Irish and when her grandfather
Speaker 3: came into Australia, it was O'shanna say right, and the
Speaker 3: Irish weren't very welcomed, so they changed it to Bentley.
Speaker 3: So it's a white last name, which makes a little
Speaker 3: bit more acceptable because at that time it is the
Speaker 3: one that I can't afford.
Speaker 1: Obviously I lost Survivor, so up for it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Good?
Speaker 2: Would you buy Bentley?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I would like to be sponsored by them,
Speaker 1: but I would by Bentley for Bentley. Yes, that's it.
Speaker 2: Okay. So Mount Barker is where you grew up in
Speaker 2: white terms, What was it like growing up there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mount Barker, small country town, Western Australia.
Speaker 3: If anyone knows w A, you know very well it's
Speaker 3: it's a very white and black country and Mount.
Speaker 1: Barker was just that. I.
Speaker 3: I was a pretty naive kid, so I didn't know
Speaker 3: a lot about different ethnicity, so I didn't know about cultures.
Speaker 1: I this how naive I was.
Speaker 3: I used to watch the movies and think that that
Speaker 3: was just an accent for the movies and everyone was Australian.
Speaker 3: The world was Australia, and that just was it.
Speaker 2: I thought the same thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild that where your head goes. So living
Speaker 3: in this country town, like all of my best mates
Speaker 3: were white boys, and I I was obviously his original kid.
Speaker 1: I was proud to be our original because my family.
Speaker 3: Who are who they are and they really made sure
Speaker 3: that I knew that and that's who I was and
Speaker 3: I didn't lose that. But yeah, I grew up with
Speaker 3: racism and hearing it and seeing it. And that's not
Speaker 3: just from the white people. It's from my own family
Speaker 3: sometimes too, So you get pretty torn when you're a kid.
Speaker 3: So part of the language was coconut, the term of coconut.
Speaker 3: So you're black on the outside, but you're acting white
Speaker 3: or you think you're white or whatever, and that's hard
Speaker 3: to hear because that is not who I am or
Speaker 3: you know who our family was so well, and it's
Speaker 3: just it's a slurt, like it's a it's an insult
Speaker 3: meant to hurt, and they know, you know, it's just
Speaker 3: in America, they say Oreo and Whitney used to get
Speaker 3: that because she started singing pop music and they booing her,
Speaker 3: Like when she was accepting the Soul Train Award like
Speaker 3: her own, people were booing her and calling her an orange, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of pain that would cause.
Speaker 1: It's sad.
Speaker 3: It's sad because we don't know which sort of world
Speaker 3: to walk in it and I speak big on it now,
Speaker 3: like I feel like I walk in three worlds. So
Speaker 3: there's my culture, the Aboriginal space that I live in yep.
Speaker 3: Then there's where I'm Aboriginal but engaging with you know,
Speaker 3: white Australians or everyone else within Australia. And then the
Speaker 3: white world, which is if I'm sitting in a room
Speaker 3: full of corporates. I need to present in that space
Speaker 3: because it needs to make I need to make people
Speaker 3: around me feel comfortable and empowered and you know, in control,
Speaker 3: because that's just that's just what it is for us.
Speaker 3: And as an Aboriginal person, but as an Aboriginal woman
Speaker 3: in Australia, that's huge because we're not looked at as
Speaker 3: somebody that adds value or is a commodity in society.
Speaker 3: And that's sad to say, and it's sad to hear,
Speaker 3: which is why a lot of what I do.
Speaker 2: Yeah good. It breaks my heart that we don't value
Speaker 2: Aboriginal everything. You know. Dark Emu is such an amazing book,
Speaker 2: and the documentary on the controversy about that, you know,
Speaker 2: him being had to go out by in his white dickhead.
Speaker 2: But the documentary and the book, like, it's amazing. How
Speaker 2: you know, the most important thing I think to take
Speaker 2: away from it was they're not just ancestral people, like
Speaker 2: they're not just you know native, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: living off the land, like these were archaeologists, these were builders,
Speaker 2: these were you know, what we can learn about the environment,
Speaker 2: the rain, the weather, the building structures, is so many
Speaker 2: things that we're just not valuing or listening to or asking.
Speaker 2: Drives me insane way. It's just it's such an ego
Speaker 2: driven world. I think as an Indigenous woman hard an
Speaker 2: Indigenous man must be so disenfranchised, you know, you're at
Speaker 2: the bottom of the wrong and they're just above you,
Speaker 2: and how they're feeling so demeaned. And then there's a
Speaker 2: lot of unspoken about. But what we're starting to we
Speaker 2: need to start speaking about family violence within the communities
Speaker 2: as well. Just the other day you went to the
Speaker 2: Senate inquiry was it for inquiry into family violence of
Speaker 2: Indigenous women, missing women and murdered women? Tell me about that.
Speaker 3: I had to share my story or our story through
Speaker 3: the murder of Annie Andres and Mumum's sister. And it
Speaker 3: was probably the first time that I because I had
Speaker 3: written it out, i'd shared it and read the words
Speaker 3: that I'd written, but felt them genuinely and emotionally, and
Speaker 3: it was the first time I was choked up because
Speaker 3: this is so real and so raw, and it's still
Speaker 3: happening fifteen years later.
Speaker 1: Nothing has changed from that.
Speaker 3: So the failing the system of the police, of the
Speaker 3: agencies and letting her down, it should never have happened
Speaker 3: in the first place because he had breached the restraining
Speaker 3: order and they just didn't take it seriously. Their assumption was,
Speaker 3: and they say it to a lot of our women,
Speaker 3: you're going to go back, so you know, like, just
Speaker 3: give it a few days.
Speaker 1: No one knows a perpetrator better than the victim.
Speaker 3: And when somebody's coming to you and saying this is
Speaker 3: what he's capable of, this is what he does, This
Speaker 3: is how I know him and I need you to
Speaker 3: help me, and they just look at her, go, oh,
Speaker 3: you might go back.
Speaker 1: So let's just hang on a second. It's hard to hear.
Speaker 3: So to be able to share the story and the
Speaker 3: truth about it to people who hopefully can create and
Speaker 3: make changes and make decisions that will allow us and
Speaker 3: hear the families that have actually experienced it, we can
Speaker 3: do something with that. So it was powerful and yeah,
Speaker 3: generally the first time I've been upset, yeah, speaking to it.
Speaker 2: And there were ten of you there speaking.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So we all spoke separately and shared our stories.
Speaker 3: And as much as there were differences, they're definitely very very.
Speaker 2: Much sadly too many similarities. Four Corners did an episode
Speaker 2: on Andrea Pickett. We were going to put that in
Speaker 2: our show notes. I highly recommend everyone listening to go
Speaker 2: and watch it. It's on iView and we just click the link.
Speaker 2: You'll go straight to it and start watching it. It's
Speaker 2: all about Andrea Kirby's in it. You're such a baby
Speaker 2: in it. Yeah, you're such a young girl, your mum,
Speaker 2: your sister, such strong women. Also at the end, there's
Speaker 2: another breaking story about a Japanese woman very similar What
Speaker 2: stood out to me, which will to everyone watching. It
Speaker 2: was the phone call of your sister calling saying, we
Speaker 2: need help right now, We need help right now. You know,
Speaker 2: we've just seen him and we don't know what to do.
Speaker 2: You need to get a helicopter or something to find him.
Speaker 2: He's out. Yeah, and they ignored.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was a really powerful moment in that. It's so funny.
Speaker 3: I was speaking to somebody the other day and how
Speaker 3: calm we are as women, but as Aboriginal women, but
Speaker 3: how calm we are as women because we know that
Speaker 3: we need to hold our shit together because I need
Speaker 3: to protect who's around me. And with that phone call,
Speaker 3: he'd come over the hill and was on Mirbooka Av
Speaker 3: in one of the Perth main streets, and he'd come
Speaker 3: out with a knife and obviously went towards Annieandrea. And
Speaker 3: my sister was calm, and you can hear it calm clear,
Speaker 3: but you can hear it in her voice that she
Speaker 3: was in a panic, and she was very clear articulated,
Speaker 3: count Child's picket has just attacked my auntie or a
Speaker 3: mere booker Av. He's right here now, he's running to
Speaker 3: the bush. This is the direction he's going here. It
Speaker 3: was very clear of what she had given them, and
Speaker 3: I think they'd taken half an hour for them to
Speaker 3: even respond, first of all, and then secondly, within that
Speaker 3: time frame, he'd gone from attacking Annie Andrea and the girls,
Speaker 3: so there was my sister and two cousins to running
Speaker 3: to the house where she was staying, attacking another auntie
Speaker 3: in her house, and then cutting the brake lines all
Speaker 3: within that space and then he left. So he still
Speaker 3: hadn't been found. He still wasn't even I don't think
Speaker 3: that nobody.
Speaker 1: Even looked for him.
Speaker 2: He was looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just obviously that clear instruction of where
Speaker 1: he is, very clear.
Speaker 2: Like clear instruction of what to do to get him too,
Speaker 2: like she's smart women, and they still did nothing. And
Speaker 2: you know, on that actual episode there's a guy speaking
Speaker 2: about how you know most of them just go back,
Speaker 2: so yeah, you just you know, you ignore it. They
Speaker 2: said it like they just say it, they admit it,
Speaker 2: and they have no shame in it. It's sad, it's.
Speaker 1: Tragic that was your sister. Would you respond the same, like.
Speaker 2: Exactly, I mean, it shouldn't even be that, that shouldn't
Speaker 2: even be a question. It's a human that and you
Speaker 2: are in you're working for us, you are working in service,
Speaker 2: community service. You're supposed to serve and protect all humans.
Speaker 2: And if there's a perpetrate who's done something illegal, go
Speaker 2: grab them. Why wouldn't you want to as a job.
Speaker 2: The systemic racism is just so rife, as you know,
Speaker 2: but they're not even ashamed of it.
Speaker 3: You can't even like let it hit you emotionally because
Speaker 3: it just makes you angry.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: You can't absolutely if you think too much about it,
Speaker 3: you're just gonna get angry, upset, frustrated, and all these
Speaker 3: emotions that you can't control.
Speaker 2: And then you're just a hysterical black woman. Stop it, Like,
Speaker 2: look at her now, Yes, hysterical? You know, an angry
Speaker 2: woman is just such to me? Are given why we're
Speaker 2: not angry out? Why we are not slaughtering? I don't know,
Speaker 2: because we don't do that, that's why. But we have
Speaker 2: every right to as women. It's unbelievable like what we're
Speaker 2: happening to women, and we get told off for being angry.
Speaker 1: About it, because why should be? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So, a level of protection that you have to have
Speaker 2: for yourself and the boundaries you must have to put
Speaker 2: in place, so your emotions stay in check would be
Speaker 2: so exhausting, your drenal levels would be fucked.
Speaker 1: We don't know any different, right, so.
Speaker 2: Well, and then you once you do know different, that's
Speaker 2: when the anger comes, and it comes in spurts, and
Speaker 2: you know, and then you have to deal with that anger.
Speaker 2: Then you have to push that back down, and then
Speaker 2: that starts festering in you, and you know, there's it
Speaker 2: just it just doesn't stop. And I see why. You know,
Speaker 2: the people they just opt out, you know, especially men
Speaker 2: in these kind of situations, they just opt out. They
Speaker 2: you know, you look at so much colonialism and you know,
Speaker 2: slavery and the way people of color have been treated
Speaker 2: by the white man, and how they've been so degraded.
Speaker 2: So I'm really glad that you're in the space of
Speaker 2: making a difference and talking and I really appreciate you coming,
Speaker 2: and you know, because I know my listeners are just
Speaker 2: really interested in this kind of thing, and I just
Speaker 2: am so grateful, you know, that you're making us such
Speaker 2: a huge difference. I just want to to say a
Speaker 2: few stats. Twenty percent of homicide victims in Australia or
Speaker 2: Aboriginal in Torres Strait Islander despite only representing three point
Speaker 2: eight percent of the population. I'm no mathematician, but something stinks.
Speaker 2: Almost a fifth of those victims of children the First
Speaker 2: Nations women are thirty three times more likely to be
Speaker 2: hospitalized and six times more likely to die due to
Speaker 2: family violence in comparison to non Indigenous women.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's scary stats.
Speaker 2: It's a scary stum.
Speaker 3: I think I'll just say this. When I started the inquest,
Speaker 3: the first thing I asked the panelist to think about
Speaker 3: is would you like to be an Aboriginal person or
Speaker 3: treated like an Aboriginal person in Australia?
Speaker 1: Genuinely right, think about that?
Speaker 3: And would you like to be treated as an Aboriginal
Speaker 3: woman in Australia? And would you be comfortable and happy
Speaker 3: with that to be able to live by that and
Speaker 3: live through that, and just think about that when I
Speaker 3: share the story. So after that, it was they had
Speaker 3: come to me and said that was the most powerful
Speaker 3: starting statement because they genuinely tried to reflect and really
Speaker 3: think like do I want to be an Aboriginal person
Speaker 3: in Australia? And do I want to be an Aboriginal female?
Speaker 3: And there females in the room. So if your answers no,
Speaker 3: then obviously clearly something's wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it would have been an immediate no
Speaker 2: in their head.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, because we know, like that's right, we know
Speaker 3: how we treat you, you know how. Yeah, but people
Speaker 3: have this delusional thought that we are we get given
Speaker 3: everything and everything's sort of easy for us and everything's free.
Speaker 1: But it's just not. So it is such a halassy,
Speaker 1: it is such a fallacy wild. I just can't comprehend it.
Speaker 2: But well, you know, we've got two governments who have
Speaker 2: worked pretty hard at making that rhetoric, putting it out
Speaker 2: there and you know, perpetuating it and letting it that
Speaker 2: fire build, you know, not doubt like not put it
Speaker 2: out and saying that that's just simply not true. They're
Speaker 2: happy to let that racist trope be credits divide does
Speaker 2: exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: That's what politics is all about, Like it's creating divide,
Speaker 3: and that's why we can't make decisions to protect the
Speaker 3: human We can't you do what is right morally.
Speaker 2: No, that's right. And if they if they took care
Speaker 2: of you, there would be more of you making decisions
Speaker 2: and they can't have that.
Speaker 1: So what's saying with women right, absolutely.
Speaker 2: And that's why I think everyone that's listening just really
Speaker 2: think about that when you go to polls, when you
Speaker 2: have these conversations. Is it true? Is that true that
Speaker 2: you know Indigenous people are getting all of this free ship?
Speaker 2: Is that true?
Speaker 1: You know, don't you tell me where to go? I'm
Speaker 1: stuck for a house at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yes. Now, you went on to Survivor this year and
Speaker 2: we just met serendipitously during the airing of that at
Speaker 2: a Dog part, which was just wonderful because I was
Speaker 2: watching it and I had just in my the week
Speaker 2: before in my solo episode mentioned you and how I
Speaker 2: actually thought you were a Maori woman. Yeah, because it
Speaker 2: had just begun and it wasn't clear yet, so I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, she's wanted to look out for that one,
Speaker 2: like she's gonna mess some shit up. Like and then
Speaker 2: I met you and it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is so cause really early on in there and
Speaker 2: you were like, you know, obviously can't say anything. And
Speaker 2: what made you go on because you even said it
Speaker 2: on the show. You're not a Survivor fan. You've not
Speaker 2: watched it before?
Speaker 3: No, I've never watched it. People trip out that I
Speaker 3: say that and it's true, especially the super fans.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes.
Speaker 3: I saw it on LinkedIn and I was at a
Speaker 3: stage in my life when I was sort of plateauing,
Speaker 3: like I like to be challenged, like stimulated. I want
Speaker 3: to grow and I want to develop on a change,
Speaker 3: you know, I want to do all these things that
Speaker 3: sort of keep me going. But I saw this on
Speaker 3: LinkedIn and I was like, I didn't know that they
Speaker 3: did it that way. Casting call on LinkedIn. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was random. I just remember seeing casting for Survivor
Speaker 3: season nine. I was like, yeah, I'll apply. So I applied,
Speaker 3: field it all out. I had a couple of interviews
Speaker 3: and then they're like, oh, send us a video of yourself,
Speaker 3: like Chelsea, your personality. And I was like, I'm not
Speaker 3: doing that. That's embarrassing. Why would I do that? So
Speaker 3: I just didn't because I was like I was genuinely embarrassed.
Speaker 3: I was like, how do I show my personality? Like yeah,
Speaker 3: and I'm a real person, like just let me be.
Speaker 3: So I didn't.
Speaker 1: And then they called back like we really want to
Speaker 1: talk to you, like.
Speaker 3: You know, and I said, I didn't send my video in,
Speaker 3: so what do you want so we had another interview
Speaker 3: and then yeah, a week later they called and said
Speaker 3: you're leaving two weeks.
Speaker 1: You're on the Rebels try. I was like yeah cool.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, do you know much about the Rebels
Speaker 1: and Titans and da da da, And I was like,
Speaker 1: not really, I don't really care.
Speaker 2: I'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Like I'm good, I'll be fine.
Speaker 2: I'm going to come forward.
Speaker 1: Don't worry about me.
Speaker 3: And I remember sitting just before we got taken out
Speaker 3: to the game to play. The producers came into the
Speaker 3: room and they're like, hey, feeling you know, where's your
Speaker 3: head at? And I was like, I'm good. As long
Speaker 3: as I don't get voted out first time, I'm good.
Speaker 3: And they both looked at each other and like, we
Speaker 3: think you might be a dark horse and I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: And you were, oh, he was so glad to watch,
Speaker 2: you know, just you talking about like the application everything
Speaker 2: and not sending it a bit like I'm just thinking
Speaker 2: about all the super fans that have applied so many
Speaker 2: times and I've done so many videos and the listening
Speaker 2: or have listened or know already that that that's how
Speaker 2: you got on. Like they were just pursuing you. You know,
Speaker 2: you were such a perfect person for that show despite
Speaker 2: not knowing anything about that show. But that's what I
Speaker 2: loved about you. Watching your play was like watching the beginning.
Speaker 2: And I've told you this, I'm not it wouldn't call
Speaker 2: myself a super fan, but I've watched most seasons. I've
Speaker 2: watched all the Australian seasons, and I watched all the
Speaker 2: early American seasons, and then it got same sameness, and
Speaker 2: then it got better because people really started to up
Speaker 2: their game. So watching you was like watching the early
Speaker 2: seasons of when they didn't know what they were in
Speaker 2: for and seeing you navigate the way they navigated this
Speaker 2: psychological game of wits and outwitting each other. And I
Speaker 2: loved also that you are an athlete. Now you are
Speaker 2: the very first Indigenous woman to be a coach in AFLW.
Speaker 2: You are also an elite level netball player and you've
Speaker 2: played for Carlton and Fremantle. So what you did in
Speaker 2: Survivor as well was you didn't show your athleticism prowess
Speaker 2: until right towards the end because you knew they were
Speaker 2: getting voted out. Yeah, you just you figured that out.
Speaker 2: Super fans already.
Speaker 1: Know that, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: I saw it as a small scale of society, right,
Speaker 3: So it was like an experiment for me. I like
Speaker 3: to see the way people think, which is what the
Speaker 3: show is, and their tunnel vision like this. So they
Speaker 3: were coming with a game plan and if if it
Speaker 3: doesn't go to plant, everything is chaotic for them. I
Speaker 3: operating chaos. I love that because I can navigate through it.
Speaker 3: And I'm good. I'm adaptable. I'm adjustable, like I'm easy.
Speaker 3: You observe, well, yeah, and that's my life. That is
Speaker 3: who I am, and that's all I know, and that
Speaker 3: is just, you know, second nature to me. But when
Speaker 3: it came to the challenges, there's no way I was
Speaker 3: going to try hard at all. If I needed to,
Speaker 3: it wouldn't bother me because the plans that I had
Speaker 3: in place were done days before. Like I already knew
Speaker 3: exactly what's going on. I knew where everyone was sort
Speaker 3: of voting, and I was sort of in control of it,
Speaker 3: which is really fun because I wasn't expecting to be
Speaker 3: in the control that I was. Even when I was
Speaker 3: at Merge, Firs and I were working together already, and
Speaker 3: I intentionally put myself into well pretty much just me
Speaker 3: and Re or me by myself, because I didn't want
Speaker 3: to be involved in a big alliance because I knew
Speaker 3: that people would be looking at that. So I pretty
Speaker 3: much put Ferris in with kidding Caroline because they wanted
Speaker 3: to work with me, and I said, no, I'm with vou.
Speaker 1: We can't work together.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right with Ferris, that's a good idea. And
Speaker 3: then we just knew everything that was going on or good.
Speaker 1: It was so good. And then it's like people would.
Speaker 2: Be watching this show for thirty years and they still
Speaker 2: get that right or they just overthink. So you were
Speaker 2: not underthinking, but you were just reading it, not thinking,
Speaker 2: almost like listening to your readings, like just going, well,
Speaker 2: what's the play here?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, did the sport come.
Speaker 3: In to that, yeah, Because like as a as an
Speaker 3: athlete and a lot of the time I was in
Speaker 3: leadership roles, So you need to sort of know your teammates,
Speaker 3: know like when to give them a kick out the
Speaker 3: arse or when to sort of let them go and
Speaker 3: just find their way. Like navigating your teammates for the
Speaker 3: performance and the outcome is huge, which then plays a
Speaker 3: part in you as a coach to be able to
Speaker 3: read your plays and know, you know, what gives them
Speaker 3: up and about you know, are they up? And about
Speaker 3: how can I see that in them? Like you almost
Speaker 3: need to read them before they can read themselves. So yeah,
Speaker 3: all translated, you'd been already doing that. Yeah, but I
Speaker 3: do it as who I am anyway, because that's what
Speaker 3: I need to do in a white wild Yeah.
Speaker 2: Spewing you didn't go Like you didn't win.
Speaker 3: I'm going to just should have Round Fairest when I
Speaker 3: had the chance. Should Let's just say that you should.
Speaker 2: I'm just putting it out here now, Like I do
Speaker 2: not believe Farris should have won. I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2: That's me as a viewer. It was very frustrating seeing
Speaker 2: that he could have chosen you to go up against
Speaker 2: in the final three or two, and he chose not
Speaker 2: to because he knew he couldn't beat you, and he
Speaker 2: you know, used that as the reason, Like you know
Speaker 2: that he was a smart that was a smart decision.
Speaker 2: What it was was a greedy decision knowing he was
Speaker 2: going to win against weaker people. Yeah, you can't take
Speaker 2: that win and be proud of it. I'm sorry, you
Speaker 2: just can't. If you haven't played it against the best
Speaker 2: player of the of the whole season, so it's a
Speaker 2: it is an empty win as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry Ferris, but it's almost like winners guilt,
Speaker 2: like why you one on one Stephen Bradbury basically like
Speaker 2: you know, you just you shouldn't have won.
Speaker 3: He did what he needed to, Yeah, he did, he
Speaker 3: did in some yeah island now and when you've got
Speaker 3: at the end of.
Speaker 2: The day, when you've got two hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars half a meal?
Speaker 1: Oh is it half a million a meal?
Speaker 2: Just to look well, I would have done what he
Speaker 2: did as well, But what is going on the game for?
Speaker 2: I mean he's gone on to win money. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: don't you want to be the soul survived.
Speaker 3: You can't recalled the king if you don't beat the best, right,
Speaker 3: that's right. And he did what he needed to do.
Speaker 3: He did what he needed to do because he won, so.
Speaker 2: He's the winner, right, but he is not the king, Yeah,
Speaker 2: because you can't unless you beat everyone. Yea fair and square.
Speaker 2: And I know it's a deceitful game, but that he
Speaker 2: didn't do that in a deceiving way like it was
Speaker 2: really obvious, and then he tried to double down on
Speaker 2: it as well and say, you know, I was a
Speaker 2: smart move and you know obviously, look I've got half
Speaker 2: a million dollars. Yeah, if you're just going on that
Speaker 2: show to win money, then you know just say that
Speaker 2: maybe he did. And maybe that's where I have to
Speaker 2: just accept that. You know, he won the money because
Speaker 2: he needed the money. Is you know, money, but everyone
Speaker 2: needs the money. That's not what you really want to
Speaker 2: go on that show for. I don't want to see
Speaker 2: people on that show. There was a season Kirby when,
Speaker 2: oh fuck, it was awful. It was actually one of
Speaker 2: the last seasons I watched before I had a break.
Speaker 2: There ended up being two guys at the end who
Speaker 2: were assholes, and it was the funniest thing. Social media
Speaker 2: wasn't really around the time, but there were a lot
Speaker 2: of forums and I would go on to them and
Speaker 2: everyone was just like, what do we do, Like no
Speaker 2: one cares? Which one of them was a millionaire yeah okay,
Speaker 2: and the other one was just like a redneck racist right,
Speaker 2: And it was just two shit people that You're just like,
Speaker 2: I don't, I don't care, who like I can't believe
Speaker 2: we're down to these two and one of them they're
Speaker 2: going to do this reunion show with Jeff and it's
Speaker 2: going to be all yeah, you know, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: who cares, well add that money to your pile of millions, mate,
Speaker 2: and you what are you going to do? You know,
Speaker 2: I'm what I would do, But it's a TV show.
Speaker 2: We need you to work your ass off and play
Speaker 2: the best game that you can play that week and
Speaker 2: watch otherwise what do you want it for?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I genuinely went out there just to just to challenge myself,
Speaker 3: and the further I got, the more fun I had.
Speaker 1: You can see me just beaming.
Speaker 3: I was just living it up and I was in
Speaker 3: my element in the sense of just being challenged doing
Speaker 3: what I want. I was cheeky, I was, and I'm
Speaker 3: a pretty direct person, like, if I want to know something,
Speaker 3: going to ask you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you were intimidating as well, and I loved it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I did it with a smile too, so people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it was It was fun. It was
Speaker 1: fun to make.
Speaker 3: There was one stage I I'd asked Mark was talking
Speaker 3: to somebody about his social game and how good it all,
Speaker 3: and I said you're not really that social if you.
Speaker 3: You know, you're just asking questions and people just talking
Speaker 3: to you and you don't let anyone in.
Speaker 1: And he goes, what do you mean?
Speaker 3: I said, well, you don't tell anyone anything, and he
Speaker 3: just remembering cracking it at me, and I just smiled
Speaker 3: and walked. I was like, all right, I'm Monday skin now,
Speaker 3: Like yeah, but I did it when nobody really was
Speaker 3: noticing it.
Speaker 1: I just did it directly do.
Speaker 2: Little bombs, just live letting off little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was.
Speaker 3: It was fun like like we're all I'd like to
Speaker 3: think we're all friends still.
Speaker 2: Will you you'll be friends for life?
Speaker 1: Like I'm good, Yeah, I don't Nellie take anything.
Speaker 2: Kelly will be in.
Speaker 3: Kelly and I talk probably just as much as Rena.
Speaker 3: Oh that that is hilarious. Kelly, for anyone that didn't
Speaker 3: watch this season, was the most annoying person that I
Speaker 3: think I've ever seen on TV.
Speaker 1: Like she was entertaining.
Speaker 2: She was I don't I'm not entertained when I'm like
Speaker 2: wanting to throttle someone going bone out. But you were
Speaker 2: the one that kept everyone. It was unanimous. We're voting
Speaker 2: out cal tonight. So many episodes, it was why, and
Speaker 2: it was always Kirby. It was always you that would go, no, no,
Speaker 2: why we're voting her out, like she's she's harmless. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we need her. They had the major they had the numbers,
Speaker 2: they could have said. I was like, no, we're not
Speaker 2: doing it.
Speaker 1: You still and they just didn't do it. And I
Speaker 1: was like all right, like I'm good.
Speaker 3: But the thing with cal like she never got no
Speaker 3: one really got under my skin. No one got under
Speaker 3: my skin, and she used to get under.
Speaker 1: A lot of people's skin.
Speaker 3: All they could focus on was Kelly because they're tired
Speaker 3: and hungry and they're cold.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I love this for us.
Speaker 3: Yes, go and talk to Garret annoying Valaria, go do it.
Speaker 1: You need to do so.
Speaker 2: While you were planning and plotting, while I was.
Speaker 3: Just saying, oh, look, I feel like we need to go,
Speaker 3: and it was this way, turn left, turn right, rather
Speaker 3: than go straight down the line of Kelly.
Speaker 2: It was pretty funny though, when you finally went, Okay,
Speaker 2: get rid of her. I'm pissed with it now, like done.
Speaker 3: She does make it really difficulty because she chose Raymond,
Speaker 3: and Raymond obviously was not beneficial to me at all,
Speaker 3: which wasn't beneficial to her at all, Like he was
Speaker 3: always against Kel but she couldn't see that.
Speaker 1: But it is what it is. It is you just
Speaker 1: unfolded the way it did.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for in All Stars where you come back,
Speaker 2: because I know that's going to happen. Every every survivor
Speaker 2: fan wants it. Everyone's asking for it. It's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I don't know when that will happen. It may be
Speaker 2: happening next year. I don't know. Maybe you know something
Speaker 2: that you're not telling me. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to keep secrets from you, so I
Speaker 3: don't know about I don't even know what All Stars.
Speaker 2: Is, okay, oh yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, it is exactly
Speaker 2: what you think it is. It's where the best of
Speaker 2: the each season comes back and they play against each other.
Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be fun.
Speaker 2: And it's great because that's when you get the really
Speaker 2: good players playing on the fircale.
Speaker 3: Enough on the same island again. And maybe I don't
Speaker 3: think he was he'll be one of them. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 3: he wasn't great player. He's not an All Star. He's
Speaker 3: just a winner of money.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry and anyone that lost ars.
Speaker 2: Guys, lovely man, I'd like to see you and King
Speaker 2: George go up against each other all together, work together.
Speaker 1: Is he good?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, no no, no, no no no.
Speaker 2: I need you to bring George down. Okay. I love George.
Speaker 2: He's one of the best players I've ever seen in
Speaker 2: my life. But so are you, and that's why I
Speaker 2: need different. We're different chalk and cheese. Yeah, okay, that's
Speaker 2: what To see you work together would be interesting. But
Speaker 2: you couldn't. You couldn't do it. You can't control him.
Speaker 2: To the alphas. He's not he's not even on the planet, like,
Speaker 2: he's not even in the in the in the alphabet
Speaker 2: list of alphabeta, delta, gamma anything he is, he's out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I would love to see it, so, you know,
Speaker 2: if anyone from end's listening right now, make it happen.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on. We're out of time,
Speaker 2: as we always do, like always feels like we've just started.
Speaker 2: But you're my second last episode. You were going to
Speaker 2: be my last episode, but I ended up having my
Speaker 2: very first guest back as last, so to book end it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you do have in indigenous brand ye Niala g n
Speaker 2: A L l Ay. We will put that in our
Speaker 2: show notes as well. People can go and purchase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, indigenous brand alive friendly obviously, it's just it's a
Speaker 3: brand to start creating conversation or having a conversation when
Speaker 3: no one's looking and it's.
Speaker 2: And you're also an artist, yeah, I tried to be.
Speaker 3: I started three years ago by accident, so it all
Speaker 3: has worked out.
Speaker 2: I've seen your art. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. So
Speaker 2: you know, do you want to buy some of Kirby's art?
Speaker 2: Commission her in proper indigenous, authentic Indigenous art, and it's
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: No, I love it. Thank you so much.