1 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: Twentieth person voted out. 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: The seventh member of our jury. 3 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: Kirby, I have played natural leg metbal. That's only ten years, Okay. 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,640 Speaker 1: I played for perth Oil, which is Jeeva. I went 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,279 Speaker 1: to the AIS. 6 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 2: What's that, Okay, I'm not surprised. 7 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 3: And then I played AFL vice captain Freemantle. 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: Okay, played at Carlton and then then I coached aflw 9 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:36,559 Speaker 1: pyboll back. 10 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: To Kirby Bentley seldom to Kady there Kirby Bentley Jones 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,880 Speaker 2: on that lamp cal Sentley. She's started and that's pretty 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: exciting as well because Bentley has converted and kicked the 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 2: goal for Freeman. I just want to continue the conversation 14 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: that we were having off R about blackfellows. First, can 15 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: I ask you tell me about your mob. 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 3: Yes, So I am a Junga, wang Guy Yamajee from 17 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 3: Western Australia. Both parents are Aboriginal and my bloodlines are 18 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 3: attached to the Wangai, Nyunga and Yamajee tribes. But yeah, 19 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 3: I belong to a few different country lands. So when 20 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: you look at say the state of Wa, there's different 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: country towns. Yeah, essentially that's what our country lands look like. 22 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 3: So places that we belong to, and you've got a few, 23 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: I have a few because my grandparents original great grandparents 24 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,199 Speaker 3: are Aboriginal. Obviously both parents are, and it's on both 25 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 3: sides of the family. So if I want to look 26 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: for a life partner, I can't look in wa if 27 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: I want a black one. 28 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 1: Be related. 29 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 2: When I was in Darwin or when I was in Kakadu, 30 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: they were explaining certain people can't be with other certain 31 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: people in mob. Is that right? 32 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? 33 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: Traditions are different in different tribes. 34 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 3: So if we draw a line across the middle of Australia, 35 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 3: the top half are different with the way that they 36 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 3: sort of work, so their skin group or whoever that 37 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: family is, Yeah, you can't really cross over. 38 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 2: That's it. 39 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, different sort of traditions with who you can speak to, 40 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,679 Speaker 3: who you can't speak to. But down south because there's 41 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: a lot of stolen generations, and our names are also different. 42 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,639 Speaker 3: My last name is a white last name and it's 43 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: not even my real last name, so it's hard for us. 44 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: We need to ask who's your mob, who's your name, 45 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: who's your pop? Who do you call on Klan Narni? 46 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 3: And how do I know if that's the truth. And 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 3: then I need to go on vet check and do 48 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: my own ancestry dot Com through my name. 49 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 1: So it's complicated. 50 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: You don't know what your real last name is. 51 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 3: So my mum's dad is Irish and when her grandfather 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 3: came into Australia, it was O'shanna say right, and the 53 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 3: Irish weren't very welcomed, so they changed it to Bentley. 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 3: So it's a white last name, which makes a little 55 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 3: bit more acceptable because at that time it is the 56 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 3: one that I can't afford. 57 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: Obviously I lost Survivor, so up for it? 58 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? 59 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: Good? 60 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: Would you buy Bentley? 61 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: Oh no, I would like to be sponsored by them, 62 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: but I would by Bentley for Bentley. Yes, that's it. 63 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 2: Okay. So Mount Barker is where you grew up in 64 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: white terms, What was it like growing up there? 65 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, Mount Barker, small country town, Western Australia. 66 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: If anyone knows w A, you know very well it's 67 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: it's a very white and black country and Mount. 68 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: Barker was just that. I. 69 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 3: I was a pretty naive kid, so I didn't know 70 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 3: a lot about different ethnicity, so I didn't know about cultures. 71 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: I this how naive I was. 72 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 3: I used to watch the movies and think that that 73 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: was just an accent for the movies and everyone was Australian. 74 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: The world was Australia, and that just was it. 75 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 2: I thought the same thing. 76 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wild that where your head goes. So living 77 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 3: in this country town, like all of my best mates 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 3: were white boys, and I I was obviously his original kid. 79 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: I was proud to be our original because my family. 80 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: Who are who they are and they really made sure 81 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: that I knew that and that's who I was and 82 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: I didn't lose that. But yeah, I grew up with 83 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 3: racism and hearing it and seeing it. And that's not 84 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 3: just from the white people. It's from my own family 85 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: sometimes too, So you get pretty torn when you're a kid. 86 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 3: So part of the language was coconut, the term of coconut. 87 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: So you're black on the outside, but you're acting white 88 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: or you think you're white or whatever, and that's hard 89 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 3: to hear because that is not who I am or 90 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 3: you know who our family was so well, and it's 91 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: just it's a slurt, like it's a it's an insult 92 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 3: meant to hurt, and they know, you know, it's just 93 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 3: in America, they say Oreo and Whitney used to get 94 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: that because she started singing pop music and they booing her, 95 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 3: Like when she was accepting the Soul Train Award like 96 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: her own, people were booing her and calling her an orange, Like, 97 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of pain that would cause. 98 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: It's sad. 99 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 3: It's sad because we don't know which sort of world 100 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: to walk in it and I speak big on it now, 101 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 3: like I feel like I walk in three worlds. So 102 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: there's my culture, the Aboriginal space that I live in yep. 103 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 3: Then there's where I'm Aboriginal but engaging with you know, 104 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: white Australians or everyone else within Australia. And then the 105 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 3: white world, which is if I'm sitting in a room 106 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 3: full of corporates. I need to present in that space 107 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: because it needs to make I need to make people 108 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 3: around me feel comfortable and empowered and you know, in control, 109 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 3: because that's just that's just what it is for us. 110 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: And as an Aboriginal person, but as an Aboriginal woman 111 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 3: in Australia, that's huge because we're not looked at as 112 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: somebody that adds value or is a commodity in society. 113 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 3: And that's sad to say, and it's sad to hear, 114 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 3: which is why a lot of what I do. 115 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: Yeah good. It breaks my heart that we don't value 116 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 2: Aboriginal everything. You know. Dark Emu is such an amazing book, 117 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: and the documentary on the controversy about that, you know, 118 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: him being had to go out by in his white dickhead. 119 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: But the documentary and the book, like, it's amazing. How 120 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: you know, the most important thing I think to take 121 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: away from it was they're not just ancestral people, like 122 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 2: they're not just you know native, you know, kind of 123 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: living off the land, like these were archaeologists, these were builders, 124 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: these were you know, what we can learn about the environment, 125 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:49,559 Speaker 2: the rain, the weather, the building structures, is so many 126 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: things that we're just not valuing or listening to or asking. 127 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:58,239 Speaker 2: Drives me insane way. It's just it's such an ego 128 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: driven world. I think as an Indigenous woman hard an 129 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 2: Indigenous man must be so disenfranchised, you know, you're at 130 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: the bottom of the wrong and they're just above you, 131 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: and how they're feeling so demeaned. And then there's a 132 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 2: lot of unspoken about. But what we're starting to we 133 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 2: need to start speaking about family violence within the communities 134 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 2: as well. Just the other day you went to the 135 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: Senate inquiry was it for inquiry into family violence of 136 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: Indigenous women, missing women and murdered women? Tell me about that. 137 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 3: I had to share my story or our story through 138 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: the murder of Annie Andres and Mumum's sister. And it 139 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 3: was probably the first time that I because I had 140 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 3: written it out, i'd shared it and read the words 141 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: that I'd written, but felt them genuinely and emotionally, and 142 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 3: it was the first time I was choked up because 143 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: this is so real and so raw, and it's still 144 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:15,559 Speaker 3: happening fifteen years later. 145 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: Nothing has changed from that. 146 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 3: So the failing the system of the police, of the 147 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: agencies and letting her down, it should never have happened 148 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: in the first place because he had breached the restraining 149 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 3: order and they just didn't take it seriously. Their assumption was, 150 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: and they say it to a lot of our women, 151 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 3: you're going to go back, so you know, like, just 152 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: give it a few days. 153 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: No one knows a perpetrator better than the victim. 154 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: And when somebody's coming to you and saying this is 155 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 3: what he's capable of, this is what he does, This 156 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 3: is how I know him and I need you to 157 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 3: help me, and they just look at her, go, oh, 158 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 3: you might go back. 159 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: So let's just hang on a second. It's hard to hear. 160 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 3: So to be able to share the story and the 161 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: truth about it to people who hopefully can create and 162 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: make changes and make decisions that will allow us and 163 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: hear the families that have actually experienced it, we can 164 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: do something with that. So it was powerful and yeah, 165 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 3: generally the first time I've been upset, yeah, speaking to it. 166 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 2: And there were ten of you there speaking. 167 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: Yeah. So we all spoke separately and shared our stories. 168 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 3: And as much as there were differences, they're definitely very very. 169 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: Much sadly too many similarities. Four Corners did an episode 170 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: on Andrea Pickett. We were going to put that in 171 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: our show notes. I highly recommend everyone listening to go 172 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 2: and watch it. It's on iView and we just click the link. 173 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 2: You'll go straight to it and start watching it. It's 174 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 2: all about Andrea Kirby's in it. You're such a baby 175 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: in it. Yeah, you're such a young girl, your mum, 176 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 2: your sister, such strong women. Also at the end, there's 177 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: another breaking story about a Japanese woman very similar What 178 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 2: stood out to me, which will to everyone watching. It 179 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: was the phone call of your sister calling saying, we 180 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: need help right now, We need help right now. You know, 181 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 2: we've just seen him and we don't know what to do. 182 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: You need to get a helicopter or something to find him. 183 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 2: He's out. Yeah, and they ignored. 184 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 185 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 186 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: That was a really powerful moment in that. It's so funny. 187 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 3: I was speaking to somebody the other day and how 188 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 3: calm we are as women, but as Aboriginal women, but 189 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,319 Speaker 3: how calm we are as women because we know that 190 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,319 Speaker 3: we need to hold our shit together because I need 191 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 3: to protect who's around me. And with that phone call, 192 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 3: he'd come over the hill and was on Mirbooka Av 193 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 3: in one of the Perth main streets, and he'd come 194 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 3: out with a knife and obviously went towards Annieandrea. And 195 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: my sister was calm, and you can hear it calm clear, 196 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 3: but you can hear it in her voice that she 197 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: was in a panic, and she was very clear articulated, 198 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: count Child's picket has just attacked my auntie or a 199 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 3: mere booker Av. He's right here now, he's running to 200 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: the bush. This is the direction he's going here. It 201 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 3: was very clear of what she had given them, and 202 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: I think they'd taken half an hour for them to 203 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 3: even respond, first of all, and then secondly, within that 204 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 3: time frame, he'd gone from attacking Annie Andrea and the girls, 205 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 3: so there was my sister and two cousins to running 206 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 3: to the house where she was staying, attacking another auntie 207 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 3: in her house, and then cutting the brake lines all 208 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: within that space and then he left. So he still 209 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 3: hadn't been found. He still wasn't even I don't think 210 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 3: that nobody. 211 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: Even looked for him. 212 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 2: He was looking. 213 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just obviously that clear instruction of where 214 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:57,679 Speaker 1: he is, very clear. 215 00:11:57,480 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: Like clear instruction of what to do to get him too, 216 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: like she's smart women, and they still did nothing. And 217 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 2: you know, on that actual episode there's a guy speaking 218 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 2: about how you know most of them just go back, 219 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: so yeah, you just you know, you ignore it. They 220 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 2: said it like they just say it, they admit it, 221 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 2: and they have no shame in it. It's sad, it's. 222 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: Tragic that was your sister. Would you respond the same, like. 223 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: Exactly, I mean, it shouldn't even be that, that shouldn't 224 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: even be a question. It's a human that and you 225 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 2: are in you're working for us, you are working in service, 226 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: community service. You're supposed to serve and protect all humans. 227 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: And if there's a perpetrate who's done something illegal, go 228 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,959 Speaker 2: grab them. Why wouldn't you want to as a job. 229 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: The systemic racism is just so rife, as you know, 230 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 2: but they're not even ashamed of it. 231 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,600 Speaker 3: You can't even like let it hit you emotionally because 232 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 3: it just makes you angry. 233 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: Does that make sense? 234 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: You can't absolutely if you think too much about it, 235 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 3: you're just gonna get angry, upset, frustrated, and all these 236 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 3: emotions that you can't control. 237 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: And then you're just a hysterical black woman. Stop it, Like, 238 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 2: look at her now, Yes, hysterical? You know, an angry 239 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: woman is just such to me? Are given why we're 240 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 2: not angry out? Why we are not slaughtering? I don't know, 241 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 2: because we don't do that, that's why. But we have 242 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 2: every right to as women. It's unbelievable like what we're 243 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 2: happening to women, and we get told off for being angry. 244 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: About it, because why should be? Yeah? 245 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 2: So, a level of protection that you have to have 246 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 2: for yourself and the boundaries you must have to put 247 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: in place, so your emotions stay in check would be 248 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 2: so exhausting, your drenal levels would be fucked. 249 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: We don't know any different, right, so. 250 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 2: Well, and then you once you do know different, that's 251 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: when the anger comes, and it comes in spurts, and 252 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 2: you know, and then you have to deal with that anger. 253 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 2: Then you have to push that back down, and then 254 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 2: that starts festering in you, and you know, there's it 255 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: just it just doesn't stop. And I see why. You know, 256 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: the people they just opt out, you know, especially men 257 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 2: in these kind of situations, they just opt out. They 258 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: you know, you look at so much colonialism and you know, 259 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: slavery and the way people of color have been treated 260 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: by the white man, and how they've been so degraded. 261 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 2: So I'm really glad that you're in the space of 262 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 2: making a difference and talking and I really appreciate you coming, 263 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: and you know, because I know my listeners are just 264 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 2: really interested in this kind of thing, and I just 265 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 2: am so grateful, you know, that you're making us such 266 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: a huge difference. I just want to to say a 267 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 2: few stats. Twenty percent of homicide victims in Australia or 268 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: Aboriginal in Torres Strait Islander despite only representing three point 269 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 2: eight percent of the population. I'm no mathematician, but something stinks. 270 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 2: Almost a fifth of those victims of children the First 271 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: Nations women are thirty three times more likely to be 272 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: hospitalized and six times more likely to die due to 273 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 2: family violence in comparison to non Indigenous women. 274 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's scary stats. 275 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:35,320 Speaker 2: It's a scary stum. 276 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 3: I think I'll just say this. When I started the inquest, 277 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: the first thing I asked the panelist to think about 278 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: is would you like to be an Aboriginal person or 279 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: treated like an Aboriginal person in Australia? 280 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: Genuinely right, think about that? 281 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 3: And would you like to be treated as an Aboriginal 282 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: woman in Australia? And would you be comfortable and happy 283 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 3: with that to be able to live by that and 284 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: live through that, and just think about that when I 285 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: share the story. So after that, it was they had 286 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,359 Speaker 3: come to me and said that was the most powerful 287 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: starting statement because they genuinely tried to reflect and really 288 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 3: think like do I want to be an Aboriginal person 289 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 3: in Australia? And do I want to be an Aboriginal female? 290 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 3: And there females in the room. So if your answers no, 291 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 3: then obviously clearly something's wrong. 292 00:16:20,880 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and it would have been an immediate no 293 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 2: in their head. 294 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, because we know, like that's right, we know 295 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: how we treat you, you know how. Yeah, but people 296 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 3: have this delusional thought that we are we get given 297 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 3: everything and everything's sort of easy for us and everything's free. 298 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: But it's just not. So it is such a halassy, 299 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: it is such a fallacy wild. I just can't comprehend it. 300 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 2: But well, you know, we've got two governments who have 301 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: worked pretty hard at making that rhetoric, putting it out 302 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 2: there and you know, perpetuating it and letting it that 303 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: fire build, you know, not doubt like not put it 304 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: out and saying that that's just simply not true. They're 305 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 2: happy to let that racist trope be credits divide does 306 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 2: exactly exactly. 307 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 3: That's what politics is all about, Like it's creating divide, 308 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: and that's why we can't make decisions to protect the 309 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 3: human We can't you do what is right morally. 310 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,920 Speaker 2: No, that's right. And if they if they took care 311 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: of you, there would be more of you making decisions 312 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: and they can't have that. 313 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: So what's saying with women right, absolutely. 314 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: And that's why I think everyone that's listening just really 315 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: think about that when you go to polls, when you 316 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: have these conversations. Is it true? Is that true that 317 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: you know Indigenous people are getting all of this free ship? 318 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: Is that true? 319 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,400 Speaker 1: You know, don't you tell me where to go? I'm 320 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: stuck for a house at the moment. 321 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:55,200 Speaker 2: Yes. Now, you went on to Survivor this year and 322 00:17:55,880 --> 00:18:01,239 Speaker 2: we just met serendipitously during the airing of that at 323 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 2: a Dog part, which was just wonderful because I was 324 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 2: watching it and I had just in my the week 325 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 2: before in my solo episode mentioned you and how I 326 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 2: actually thought you were a Maori woman. Yeah, because it 327 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:25,360 Speaker 2: had just begun and it wasn't clear yet, so I 328 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 2: was like, oh, she's wanted to look out for that one, 329 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: like she's gonna mess some shit up. Like and then 330 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 2: I met you and it was like, oh my god, 331 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: this is so cause really early on in there and 332 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 2: you were like, you know, obviously can't say anything. And 333 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,159 Speaker 2: what made you go on because you even said it 334 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 2: on the show. You're not a Survivor fan. You've not 335 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:44,159 Speaker 2: watched it before? 336 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 3: No, I've never watched it. People trip out that I 337 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 3: say that and it's true, especially the super fans. 338 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes. 339 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: I saw it on LinkedIn and I was at a 340 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 3: stage in my life when I was sort of plateauing, 341 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 3: like I like to be challenged, like stimulated. I want 342 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 3: to grow and I want to develop on a change, 343 00:19:02,359 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 3: you know, I want to do all these things that 344 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:06,440 Speaker 3: sort of keep me going. But I saw this on 345 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 3: LinkedIn and I was like, I didn't know that they 346 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 3: did it that way. Casting call on LinkedIn. Yeah, yeah, 347 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 3: it was random. I just remember seeing casting for Survivor 348 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 3: season nine. I was like, yeah, I'll apply. So I applied, 349 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: field it all out. I had a couple of interviews 350 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 3: and then they're like, oh, send us a video of yourself, 351 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 3: like Chelsea, your personality. And I was like, I'm not 352 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 3: doing that. That's embarrassing. Why would I do that? So 353 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 3: I just didn't because I was like I was genuinely embarrassed. 354 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 3: I was like, how do I show my personality? Like yeah, 355 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: and I'm a real person, like just let me be. 356 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 3: So I didn't. 357 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: And then they called back like we really want to 358 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: talk to you, like. 359 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 3: You know, and I said, I didn't send my video in, 360 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: so what do you want so we had another interview 361 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 3: and then yeah, a week later they called and said 362 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:56,119 Speaker 3: you're leaving two weeks. 363 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 1: You're on the Rebels try. I was like yeah cool. 364 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, do you know much about the Rebels 365 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: and Titans and da da da, And I was like, 366 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: not really, I don't really care. 367 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 2: I'll be fine. 368 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,200 Speaker 1: Like I'm good, I'll be fine. 369 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to come forward. 370 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: Don't worry about me. 371 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 3: And I remember sitting just before we got taken out 372 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 3: to the game to play. The producers came into the 373 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 3: room and they're like, hey, feeling you know, where's your 374 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 3: head at? And I was like, I'm good. As long 375 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 3: as I don't get voted out first time, I'm good. 376 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 3: And they both looked at each other and like, we 377 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 3: think you might be a dark horse and I was like, 378 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 3: I don't know. 379 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 2: And you were, oh, he was so glad to watch, 380 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 2: you know, just you talking about like the application everything 381 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: and not sending it a bit like I'm just thinking 382 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 2: about all the super fans that have applied so many 383 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 2: times and I've done so many videos and the listening 384 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 2: or have listened or know already that that that's how 385 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 2: you got on. Like they were just pursuing you. You know, 386 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: you were such a perfect person for that show despite 387 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: not knowing anything about that show. But that's what I 388 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: loved about you. Watching your play was like watching the beginning. 389 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: And I've told you this, I'm not it wouldn't call 390 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 2: myself a super fan, but I've watched most seasons. I've 391 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: watched all the Australian seasons, and I watched all the 392 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 2: early American seasons, and then it got same sameness, and 393 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: then it got better because people really started to up 394 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 2: their game. So watching you was like watching the early 395 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,479 Speaker 2: seasons of when they didn't know what they were in 396 00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: for and seeing you navigate the way they navigated this 397 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 2: psychological game of wits and outwitting each other. And I 398 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 2: loved also that you are an athlete. Now you are 399 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: the very first Indigenous woman to be a coach in AFLW. 400 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 2: You are also an elite level netball player and you've 401 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: played for Carlton and Fremantle. So what you did in 402 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 2: Survivor as well was you didn't show your athleticism prowess 403 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 2: until right towards the end because you knew they were 404 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: getting voted out. Yeah, you just you figured that out. 405 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,760 Speaker 2: Super fans already. 406 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: Know that, Yeah, it was. 407 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 3: I saw it as a small scale of society, right, 408 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,679 Speaker 3: So it was like an experiment for me. I like 409 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 3: to see the way people think, which is what the 410 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,479 Speaker 3: show is, and their tunnel vision like this. So they 411 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 3: were coming with a game plan and if if it 412 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 3: doesn't go to plant, everything is chaotic for them. I 413 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 3: operating chaos. I love that because I can navigate through it. 414 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 3: And I'm good. I'm adaptable. I'm adjustable, like I'm easy. 415 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 3: You observe, well, yeah, and that's my life. That is 416 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 3: who I am, and that's all I know, and that 417 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 3: is just, you know, second nature to me. But when 418 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 3: it came to the challenges, there's no way I was 419 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 3: going to try hard at all. If I needed to, 420 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 3: it wouldn't bother me because the plans that I had 421 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 3: in place were done days before. Like I already knew 422 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 3: exactly what's going on. I knew where everyone was sort 423 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: of voting, and I was sort of in control of it, 424 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:16,239 Speaker 3: which is really fun because I wasn't expecting to be 425 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 3: in the control that I was. Even when I was 426 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 3: at Merge, Firs and I were working together already, and 427 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: I intentionally put myself into well pretty much just me 428 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 3: and Re or me by myself, because I didn't want 429 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 3: to be involved in a big alliance because I knew 430 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 3: that people would be looking at that. So I pretty 431 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 3: much put Ferris in with kidding Caroline because they wanted 432 00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 3: to work with me, and I said, no, I'm with vou. 433 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 1: We can't work together. 434 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right with Ferris, that's a good idea. And 435 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: then we just knew everything that was going on or good. 436 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 1: It was so good. And then it's like people would. 437 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 2: Be watching this show for thirty years and they still 438 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 2: get that right or they just overthink. So you were 439 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:02,439 Speaker 2: not underthinking, but you were just reading it, not thinking, 440 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 2: almost like listening to your readings, like just going, well, 441 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 2: what's the play here? 442 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 443 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, did the sport come. 444 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:14,239 Speaker 3: In to that, yeah, Because like as a as an 445 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,439 Speaker 3: athlete and a lot of the time I was in 446 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 3: leadership roles, So you need to sort of know your teammates, 447 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 3: know like when to give them a kick out the 448 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 3: arse or when to sort of let them go and 449 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 3: just find their way. Like navigating your teammates for the 450 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 3: performance and the outcome is huge, which then plays a 451 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 3: part in you as a coach to be able to 452 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 3: read your plays and know, you know, what gives them 453 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 3: up and about you know, are they up? And about 454 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 3: how can I see that in them? Like you almost 455 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 3: need to read them before they can read themselves. So yeah, 456 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: all translated, you'd been already doing that. Yeah, but I 457 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: do it as who I am anyway, because that's what 458 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 3: I need to do in a white wild Yeah. 459 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 2: Spewing you didn't go Like you didn't win. 460 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 3: I'm going to just should have Round Fairest when I 461 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 3: had the chance. Should Let's just say that you should. 462 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,400 Speaker 2: I'm just putting it out here now, Like I do 463 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: not believe Farris should have won. I don't. I don't. 464 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 2: That's me as a viewer. It was very frustrating seeing 465 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 2: that he could have chosen you to go up against 466 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: in the final three or two, and he chose not 467 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: to because he knew he couldn't beat you, and he 468 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 2: you know, used that as the reason, Like you know 469 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,120 Speaker 2: that he was a smart that was a smart decision. 470 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 2: What it was was a greedy decision knowing he was 471 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: going to win against weaker people. Yeah, you can't take 472 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: that win and be proud of it. I'm sorry, you 473 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 2: just can't. If you haven't played it against the best 474 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 2: player of the of the whole season, so it's a 475 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 2: it is an empty win as far as I'm concerned. 476 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: And I'm sorry Ferris, but it's almost like winners guilt, 477 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 2: like why you one on one Stephen Bradbury basically like 478 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 2: you know, you just you shouldn't have won. 479 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 3: He did what he needed to, Yeah, he did, he 480 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 3: did in some yeah island now and when you've got 481 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: at the end of. 482 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 2: The day, when you've got two hundred and fifty thousand 483 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: dollars half a meal? 484 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: Oh is it half a million a meal? 485 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 2: Just to look well, I would have done what he 486 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 2: did as well, But what is going on the game for? 487 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 2: I mean he's gone on to win money. Yeah, but 488 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 2: don't you want to be the soul survived. 489 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 3: You can't recalled the king if you don't beat the best, right, 490 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: that's right. And he did what he needed to do. 491 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: He did what he needed to do because he won, so. 492 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,959 Speaker 2: He's the winner, right, but he is not the king, Yeah, 493 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 2: because you can't unless you beat everyone. Yea fair and square. 494 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 2: And I know it's a deceitful game, but that he 495 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 2: didn't do that in a deceiving way like it was 496 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: really obvious, and then he tried to double down on 497 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 2: it as well and say, you know, I was a 498 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,440 Speaker 2: smart move and you know obviously, look I've got half 499 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 2: a million dollars. Yeah, if you're just going on that 500 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 2: show to win money, then you know just say that 501 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: maybe he did. And maybe that's where I have to 502 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 2: just accept that. You know, he won the money because 503 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: he needed the money. Is you know, money, but everyone 504 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,159 Speaker 2: needs the money. That's not what you really want to 505 00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 2: go on that show for. I don't want to see 506 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 2: people on that show. There was a season Kirby when, 507 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 2: oh fuck, it was awful. It was actually one of 508 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 2: the last seasons I watched before I had a break. 509 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 2: There ended up being two guys at the end who 510 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 2: were assholes, and it was the funniest thing. Social media 511 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,240 Speaker 2: wasn't really around the time, but there were a lot 512 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 2: of forums and I would go on to them and 513 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: everyone was just like, what do we do, Like no 514 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: one cares? Which one of them was a millionaire yeah okay, 515 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: and the other one was just like a redneck racist right, 516 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: And it was just two shit people that You're just like, 517 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,639 Speaker 2: I don't, I don't care, who like I can't believe 518 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: we're down to these two and one of them they're 519 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,120 Speaker 2: going to do this reunion show with Jeff and it's 520 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 2: going to be all yeah, you know, it's like, oh, 521 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 2: who cares, well add that money to your pile of millions, mate, 522 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 2: and you what are you going to do? You know, 523 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 2: I'm what I would do, But it's a TV show. 524 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 2: We need you to work your ass off and play 525 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: the best game that you can play that week and 526 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: watch otherwise what do you want it for? 527 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: Yeah? 528 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 3: I genuinely went out there just to just to challenge myself, 529 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 3: and the further I got, the more fun I had. 530 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: You can see me just beaming. 531 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,800 Speaker 3: I was just living it up and I was in 532 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 3: my element in the sense of just being challenged doing 533 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,960 Speaker 3: what I want. I was cheeky, I was, and I'm 534 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 3: a pretty direct person, like, if I want to know something, 535 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 3: going to ask you. 536 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, And you were intimidating as well, and I loved it. 537 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I did it with a smile too, so people. 538 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it was It was fun. It was 539 00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 1: fun to make. 540 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,200 Speaker 3: There was one stage I I'd asked Mark was talking 541 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,959 Speaker 3: to somebody about his social game and how good it all, 542 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 3: and I said you're not really that social if you. 543 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 3: You know, you're just asking questions and people just talking 544 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 3: to you and you don't let anyone in. 545 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,320 Speaker 1: And he goes, what do you mean? 546 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 3: I said, well, you don't tell anyone anything, and he 547 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 3: just remembering cracking it at me, and I just smiled 548 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 3: and walked. I was like, all right, I'm Monday skin now, 549 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 3: Like yeah, but I did it when nobody really was 550 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 3: noticing it. 551 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: I just did it directly do. 552 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 2: Little bombs, just live letting off little bit. 553 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. So it was. 554 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 3: It was fun like like we're all I'd like to 555 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: think we're all friends still. 556 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: Will you you'll be friends for life? 557 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: Like I'm good, Yeah, I don't Nellie take anything. 558 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: Kelly will be in. 559 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 3: Kelly and I talk probably just as much as Rena. 560 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 3: Oh that that is hilarious. Kelly, for anyone that didn't 561 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 3: watch this season, was the most annoying person that I 562 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: think I've ever seen on TV. 563 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 1: Like she was entertaining. 564 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 2: She was I don't I'm not entertained when I'm like 565 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 2: wanting to throttle someone going bone out. But you were 566 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: the one that kept everyone. It was unanimous. We're voting 567 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 2: out cal tonight. So many episodes, it was why, and 568 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 2: it was always Kirby. It was always you that would go, no, no, 569 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 2: why we're voting her out, like she's she's harmless. Yeah, 570 00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 2: we need her. They had the major they had the numbers, 571 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: they could have said. I was like, no, we're not 572 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:19,120 Speaker 2: doing it. 573 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: You still and they just didn't do it. And I 574 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: was like all right, like I'm good. 575 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: But the thing with cal like she never got no 576 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 3: one really got under my skin. No one got under 577 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 3: my skin, and she used to get under. 578 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: A lot of people's skin. 579 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 3: All they could focus on was Kelly because they're tired 580 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 3: and hungry and they're cold. 581 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: And I was like, I love this for us. 582 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 3: Yes, go and talk to Garret annoying Valaria, go do it. 583 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: You need to do so. 584 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 2: While you were planning and plotting, while I was. 585 00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 3: Just saying, oh, look, I feel like we need to go, 586 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 3: and it was this way, turn left, turn right, rather 587 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 3: than go straight down the line of Kelly. 588 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 2: It was pretty funny though, when you finally went, Okay, 589 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: get rid of her. I'm pissed with it now, like done. 590 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: She does make it really difficulty because she chose Raymond, 591 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 3: and Raymond obviously was not beneficial to me at all, 592 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 3: which wasn't beneficial to her at all, Like he was 593 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 3: always against Kel but she couldn't see that. 594 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,959 Speaker 1: But it is what it is. It is you just 595 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: unfolded the way it did. 596 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 2: I can't wait for in All Stars where you come back, 597 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 2: because I know that's going to happen. Every every survivor 598 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,959 Speaker 2: fan wants it. Everyone's asking for it. It's going to happen. 599 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,280 Speaker 2: I don't know when that will happen. It may be 600 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 2: happening next year. I don't know. Maybe you know something 601 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 2: that you're not telling me. I don't know. 602 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 3: I'm not going to keep secrets from you, so I 603 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 3: don't know about I don't even know what All Stars. 604 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 2: Is, okay, oh yeah, exactly. Well, yeah, it is exactly 605 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: what you think it is. It's where the best of 606 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 2: the each season comes back and they play against each other. 607 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be fun. 608 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 2: And it's great because that's when you get the really 609 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,600 Speaker 2: good players playing on the fircale. 610 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,160 Speaker 3: Enough on the same island again. And maybe I don't 611 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 3: think he was he'll be one of them. Yeah, Okay, 612 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 3: he wasn't great player. He's not an All Star. He's 613 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: just a winner of money. 614 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: I'm sorry and anyone that lost ars. 615 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 2: Guys, lovely man, I'd like to see you and King 616 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 2: George go up against each other all together, work together. 617 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: Is he good? 618 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 2: No? 619 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: No, no, no no, no, no no no. 620 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 2: I need you to bring George down. Okay. I love George. 621 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: He's one of the best players I've ever seen in 622 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: my life. But so are you, and that's why I 623 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: need different. We're different chalk and cheese. Yeah, okay, that's 624 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 2: what To see you work together would be interesting. But 625 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 2: you couldn't. You couldn't do it. You can't control him. 626 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 2: To the alphas. He's not he's not even on the planet, like, 627 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 2: he's not even in the in the in the alphabet 628 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: list of alphabeta, delta, gamma anything he is, he's out. Yeah, 629 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: but I would love to see it, so, you know, 630 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 2: if anyone from end's listening right now, make it happen. 631 00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on. We're out of time, 632 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 2: as we always do, like always feels like we've just started. 633 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: But you're my second last episode. You were going to 634 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: be my last episode, but I ended up having my 635 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 2: very first guest back as last, so to book end it, Yeah, 636 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: you do have in indigenous brand ye Niala g n 637 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 2: A L l Ay. We will put that in our 638 00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: show notes as well. People can go and purchase. 639 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, indigenous brand alive friendly obviously, it's just it's a 640 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 3: brand to start creating conversation or having a conversation when 641 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 3: no one's looking and it's. 642 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 2: And you're also an artist, yeah, I tried to be. 643 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 3: I started three years ago by accident, so it all 644 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 3: has worked out. 645 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: I've seen your art. It's beautiful. Yeah, it's beautiful. So 646 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: you know, do you want to buy some of Kirby's art? 647 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 2: Commission her in proper indigenous, authentic Indigenous art, and it's 648 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 2: really good. 649 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: No, I love it. Thank you so much.