WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 27 January 0:00:02.800 --> 0:00:04.519 On scoring lis Oskolia. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:10.039 This is the Reader Panalty Show. Good evening, Welcome to 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:11.200 the Reader Panahe Show. 0:00:11.280 --> 0:00:14.800 I'm Caroline de Russo coming up tonight, and Labour support 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.840 continues to decline, with the latest polls painting a very 0:00:17.840 --> 0:00:20.599 grim picture for the party. We'll give you a breakdown 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:24.000 in just a moment. Biological men have finally been banned 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:25.000 from being held. 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:27.880 In women's prisons in the US. Stephanie Bastian will be 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:29.600 joining us with those details. 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:33.879 And President Trump's first hundred hours in office has been praised. 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:36.280 It's the start of a golden age. We'll speak to 0:00:36.320 --> 0:00:39.760 Alex Stein about that shortly. And of course Left is 0:00:39.840 --> 0:00:40.279 losing it. 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:43.239 Let me make something absolutely clear, unless it wasn't already, 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.280 if you got it for a Trump, you are. 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:47.120 Not Alad in Mexico. 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:50.640 Joining me now is Deputy executive director for the Institute 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.120 of Public Affairs, Dan your Wild Dan. The latest news poll. 0:00:54.280 --> 0:00:57.760 It was released yesterday and despite Albow traveling around the 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:03.040 country and handing out billions, his and Labor continue to slide. 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:04.399 What's notable about this poll? 0:01:06.880 --> 0:01:07.920 It was a couple of things. 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.080 I think it's not despite but it's because of Alberizi 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:14.560 doing that because the more Australian sea of Anthony Alberizi, 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:16.319 the less they support it. And we know he's a 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.000 bad campaigner, so this is probably as good as it's 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:20.880 going to get for Labor. We saw how bad he 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:23.039 was during the Voice to Parliament, where the more he 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.000 talked about it, the more support went backwards. 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:26.319 Not forwards. 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:28.560 And I think in terms of Peter Dutton, well, this 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.880 is what happens when you show leadership on key issues, 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.400 particularly cultural issues. 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:34.319 That Australians care about. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.039 Whether it's Australia Day, whether it's calling out big business 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:40.360 and sporting codes who seek to divide us, whether it's 0:01:40.400 --> 0:01:43.840 supporting racial equality by voting no to the Voice to Parliament. 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:47.360 You know, when a political leader stands up for Australian values, 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.680 mainstream Australians will back them and they will support them. 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.440 So that's the number one reason why Peter Dutton has 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:55.640 been surging in the polls because he has become a 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.000 voice for mainstream values and mainstream aspirations. 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:05.480 And you'll also recall during the last federal election, Labour's 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:08.280 best week during the campaign was the week that Anthony 0:02:08.280 --> 0:02:12.520 Alberizi was in isolation with COVID, but the Coalition has 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.280 released a video of Peter Dutton today. 0:02:15.360 --> 0:02:18.040 Here's a look as a minister. I learned that a 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.200 strong economy and a safe community are central to everything. 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:24.200 That you sometimes need to stand up to vested interests 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:28.400 and always make decisions in our national interest. The right 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.920 decisions aren't always popular, but I'm not interested in taking 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.040 me as you pass because we lived in the best 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:38.959 country in the world and I'm determined to get Australia 0:02:39.000 --> 0:02:39.680 back on track. 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.440 Dan, the preferred prime minister numbers have moved substantially over 0:02:43.480 --> 0:02:46.160 the last twelve months, but do you think voters still 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.560 need to get to know Peter a little better? 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.760 Yeah, they do because most people aren't engaged in politics 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:55.280 on a day to day basis, and you know, you 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:57.639 can hardly blame them for that, you know, so over 0:02:57.639 --> 0:02:59.600 the next couple of weeks or the next couple of 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:02.120 months will start to see people paying attention a little 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:04.480 bit more. So I think there's a huge opportunity for 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.280 Peter Dutton to explain himself to the electorate. And you know, 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.640 anyone who's spent more than two minutes with Peter Dutton 0:03:09.639 --> 0:03:12.640 would know that he's somebody fairly down to earth and 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.480 he's been out a Holy seat of Dixon, which is 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:16.880 a marginal seat, and Labor always thinks it's going to 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:18.720 win and they never do for something like seven or 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:20.720 eight times in a row now, So if that could 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:22.639 be replicated on a national level, I don't think you'll 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:25.360 have any problem getting over the line. But what Australians 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:27.920 also one, as I mentioned before, is a political standard 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:32.040 bearer who will make the big calls on the economic 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.040 social issues that can front our nation's problem. And ultimately, 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:39.200 the Labor government has been very divisive. It's been governed 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:42.200 by sectional interests rather than national interests as the ad suggests. 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:44.080 So now we'll wait and see how it goes. But 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:46.320 I think it's going to resonate with a lot of Australians. 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:50.360 And on to Australia Day and the IPA. 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.320 You guys regularly pole support for Australia Day. This year 0:03:53.360 --> 0:03:56.360 there has been a notable shift, but even some of 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:59.080 the politicians are starting to change their narrative. 0:03:59.120 --> 0:03:59.960 What have you picked up? 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:03.760 It's been a massive year. 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.080 We've been doing this survey for about seven years now 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.680 tracking the attitudes of Australians toward Australia Day, and this 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:12.200 is the single biggest increase we've ever seen, from sixty 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:16.279 three to sixty nine percent who support twenty sixth January 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:20.040 as Australia Day, and that was driven by young Australians, 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.400 the youngest cohort eighteen to twenty four year olds increasing 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.320 from forty two to fifty two percent, and the debate 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:30.640 has completely changed. We had record turnouts to Australia Day 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:34.280 events across our nation, whether they were official events held 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.599 by councils at local parks and community centers, or whether 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.799 it was Australians going to the beach or other community 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.440 areas to celebrate our National Day. At the same time 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:45.760 as we had a record drop in those who were 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.680 attending protests and so called Invasion Day rallies. So what 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.880 we've seen is an enormous vibe shift over our National 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:57.440 Day Australians. You know, the silent majority is no longer silent. 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.360 And it's a beautiful thing to see because I think 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.600 we were at risk at one point of losing our 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.160 National Day, but it's certainly come roaring back and I 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:06.720 don't think there's any turning back now. 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.160 No, I don't think there is, and I think, you know, 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:14.680 particularly where the going gets tough, people do still realize 0:05:14.839 --> 0:05:18.159 how lucky we are to live in this country now. 0:05:18.279 --> 0:05:21.600 This week, Foreign Minister Penningwong and Attorney General Mark Dreyfus 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:25.040 there in Poland for the eightieth anniversary commemorations. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:25.880 Of the Liberation of Auschwitz. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:29.559 The Prime Minister stood by his decision to send Wong, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.840 but he does seem a little rattled by the backlash. 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.080 What are your thoughts on this decision and how it's 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:35.719 been handled. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:40.280 Well, he probably didn't have any choice but to send 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.880 Senator Wong given her position as Foreign Affairs Minister. I 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:45.960 think it'd be odd to send anyone of a lower 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.240 position within cabinet, so he probably had to go with her. 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:51.840 You know, this goes to the problem and this is 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.320 such a solemn anniversary, such a serious one, not only 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.839 for the Jewish people, but for all of humankind in 0:05:57.920 --> 0:06:01.599 terms of what was experienced at Auschwitz all throughout World 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.800 War Two. So it's important that humanity remembers what happened 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.520 and what other people are capable and are still capable of. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:09.839 Just because it happened in the past doesn't mean it 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:11.880 can't happen in the future, so we need to remember that, 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:13.480 and that's the whole point of remembrance. 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:14.520 You know. 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:15.880 I think the issue here. 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:20.200 Is the government lacks credibility because they already have lacked 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:23.839 leadership on the domestic level since the October seven attacks, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:25.239 where they've always been on the back foot. 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:26.520 They've been reluctant. 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.200 It seems like they've often been dragged, kicking and screaming 0:06:29.240 --> 0:06:32.039 to make a statement and try to stamp out some 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:34.000 of the behavior. And like I've said before, it has 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:38.200 given a bit of a permission structure for domestic behavior 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:41.960 that we've seen from protesters and agitators to continue. So, 0:06:42.320 --> 0:06:44.760 you know, the real problem is because they lack leadership 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:48.480 on the domestic front, they've lacked credibility on the international stage. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.320 And that's exactly what we're seeing now. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.680 And on the issue of domestic leadership. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:58.200 In an interview with Andrew Clenell on this channel yesterday, 0:06:58.520 --> 0:06:59.920 albit Easy stood bys. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:01.919 To see to purchase a four point two. 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:05.080 Million dollar holiday home while maintaining that no one will 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.120 be left behind. Now, I'm not quite sure that hit 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:11.560 the court with the court with Australians that he thinks 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.240 it might Is this just more poor judgment from the 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:14.800 Prime Minister. 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:17.760 Yeah. 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.680 I think everyone says, you know, you have every right 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.920 to buy a holiday home, whether you're a politician or not, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:24.600 and I don't have any problems with that, but it's 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:27.720 incongruent with his political history and how he presents himself 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:30.600 to the community as someone from a working class, battling 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:33.080 background in a housing trust. And I don't doubt the 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.120 way he's presented himself, but what I do doubt is 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.280 whether he's authentic to that now and decisions he's taken, 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.040 including a relation to his massive defined benefits that he 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:44.840 will receive when he does leave Parliament, and the holiday 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:48.000 home purchase, as I say, incongruent with how he's presented himself. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.080 So you know, it's all about you know, what kind 0:07:50.080 --> 0:07:52.440 of story are you telling the community and how does 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.320 your behavior and actions then shape up to that, because 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.000 people will judge you based upon what you have said 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.560 and who you have said you are, and so this 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.520 purchase is clearly inconsistent with the person who he has 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:06.920 said he is. It's also taking the in place in 0:08:06.920 --> 0:08:09.400 the context of a housing shortage driven by this government's 0:08:09.400 --> 0:08:11.960 mass migration program. You know, they brought in over a 0:08:12.000 --> 0:08:14.680 million migrants on a net basis, which is driven Australians 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:17.800 out of the housing market and really caused the rents 0:08:17.800 --> 0:08:19.800 to skyrocket, as you would know full well in Perth. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.920 You know, they've been dramatically increasing as they have across 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:25.600 the country. So you know, not only is there an incongruency, 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:27.320 but there's also people look at it and say, well, 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:31.280 your own policy is causing problems for every day Australians. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:35.280 And it is causing problems for every day Australians. Dan, 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:37.800 we do have an election coming up. This might be 0:08:38.240 --> 0:08:41.280 the Prime Minister can say what he likes, but are 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:42.760 Australians listening. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.079 Well, they're probably starting to tune out. And I think 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.920 this sort of happened with the Voice to Parliament, which 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:51.720 was an inflection point where you know, you spent half 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.520 a billion dollars on a referendum to divide Australians by race, 0:08:54.559 --> 0:08:57.120 which was sort of driven by the activist class, and 0:08:57.240 --> 0:08:59.320 Australians had a lot of good will towards that, and 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:00.800 I think they were also had a lot of good 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.400 will towards this government. You know, Albersi was very popular 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:05.440 to start with for a number of months, and of 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.479 course Scott Morrison, his predecessor, was very unpopular, so Australians 0:09:08.520 --> 0:09:11.160 were willing and open to a change after a decade 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:13.920 of coalition government that often failed to deliver for people 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.520 and was a massive failure during COVID both at the 0:09:16.520 --> 0:09:18.439 federal and state although it was labor at state level, 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.480 but liberal oppositions didn't hold state governments to accounts, so 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:22.960 Australians were rightly saying, well. 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:23.880 Let's give something else a go. 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:26.440 But I think ever since the Voice to Parliament when 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:29.520 they heard from Alberanesi for a year and a half 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:31.480 talking about well we need to have this policy to 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.599 entrench racial division, while Australians were struggling with cost of 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:37.280 living and were more concerned with other issues. So again 0:09:37.320 --> 0:09:38.880 he sort of brought himself a bit of time with 0:09:38.960 --> 0:09:41.560 the Stage three tax cut revamp that sort of saved 0:09:41.600 --> 0:09:45.440 him with the by election in the outer suburbs of Melbourne. 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:47.600 But you know it's really a question of well can 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.600 he pull a rabbit out of the hat again, and 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:51.719 I think the latest newsporpt would suggest that he's really 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:52.720 struggling on that front. 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:55.480 Yeah. 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:59.000 Absolutely, And look just on the invasion day protest you 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.560 alluded to a li bit earlier. They have become a 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.680 recent Pox on Australia Day. As you said, numbers appear 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:07.719 to have dropped off in Sydney, while those Invasion Day 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:12.080 protests joined forces with the pro Palestine protests in Melbourne. 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.760 I'm not quite sure the black Band view of the 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.800 world is as popular as it once was, and I'm 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.359 not quite sure if the recent. 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.560 US election has had any impact on that. What's your view. 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.360 I think the US election has had a massive impact. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.360 I mean, whatever happens the US reverberates around the world, 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:34.040 especially in the Western world, whether you know you agree 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.079 with it or not. And I think Trump has taken 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.320 a culdgurl to Wokism. And like I said before, with 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:41.679 the Voice to Parliament, let's not forget about that as well. 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:43.640 I mean, that was really the first major defeat of 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.680 identity politics with a national vote in the Western world, 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.040 other than perhaps Brexit. Although there was a big economic 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:51.760 dimension to Brexit that wasn't there with the Voice as much. 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:55.360 So you know, there's a big component there with the protest. 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:57.840 I mean, it's your typical Renter crowd, isn't it. As 0:10:57.880 --> 0:11:00.679 you said, not only the I guess the indigit activists, 0:11:00.679 --> 0:11:04.400 but the Palestine activist and anybody else in between, you know. 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:06.560 So I don't think there's any grassroots support for this 0:11:06.600 --> 0:11:09.120 at all. As far as I could see, mainstream Australians 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:10.960 were just having a good time with their families, whether 0:11:11.000 --> 0:11:13.520 it was at one of the local events for breakfast 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:16.440 or lunch, or at the beach in the hotter parts 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.760 of the country. So I think these protests are well 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.520 and truly very much a fringe component now of our society, 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.199 and so much the better, I reckon. 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:30.120 And over the weekend, Peter Dutton handed down his refreshed 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.600 Shadow Ministry and crowd favorite just Enter Price. She's been 0:11:33.640 --> 0:11:38.760 given the newly creative role of government efficiency spokesperson. I mean, 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.800 look where small government people. So we're probably a bit biased, 0:11:41.840 --> 0:11:42.560 but do you think this was. 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:43.080 A good move. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:47.760 It's a very good move, just to show that she's 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.120 not only a community leader but also a national leader 0:11:51.800 --> 0:11:53.920 with the voice to Parliament debate. And you know she 0:11:54.040 --> 0:11:55.680 was going to lead that debate no matter what, whether 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:57.920 the Liberals were yes or no or in between. She 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:00.319 was always going to lead the No campaign one way 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.319 or the other. And I think just Centerest demonstrated time 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.440 again that she really can talk to mainstream Australians. I 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:09.040 reckon that the speech that she gave at the National 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:12.640 Press Club during the Voice to Parliament debate, which kind 0:12:12.679 --> 0:12:14.480 of went under the radar a little bit, but I 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:17.080 think it's one of the most significant and important speeches 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.240 delivered by a political leader in recent memory, and I 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:23.080 encourage everybody to revisit that. And certainly her elevation to 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.040 a critical nationwide role and an economic role of government 0:12:27.040 --> 0:12:30.280 efficiency will give her, I think, a broader set of 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.880 responsibilities and I've got no doubt that she's going to 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:36.839 play a very key role in the campaign and if 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.320 the Coalition do form government. 0:12:38.640 --> 0:12:39.600 Look, there's a lot of red. 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:41.600 Tape that needs to be cut, so it's a big 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:42.760 job that she'll have ahead of her. 0:12:44.920 --> 0:12:48.720 Speaking of red tape and onto our friends at the ABC, well, 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.440 they haven't bothered to send anyone to our Schwitz to 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:55.720 cover the Holocaust Memorial commemoration. We note, of course that 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:59.040 they sent thirty seven stuff at a cost of the 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.400 tax payer of a hunt undred and fifty thousand for 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:06.080 the four day Gama festival. The collective appears to still 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:07.640 be running the show, Dan. 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:10.840 Yeah, it does. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:12.960 And this is a big issue for the ABC in 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:15.920 for all Australians, because all Australians pay for the ABC, 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.679 or at least all Australian tax payers pay for the ABC. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.320 And you know, over the years, really. 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.199 Over i'd say the last decade or so, the ABC 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:28.600 has stopped being an institution of cultural importance in a 0:13:28.640 --> 0:13:30.960 manner that it may have been in the past. It 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:35.280 struggles to speak to mainstream values because it is largely 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.960 captured by an inner city collective run out of Sydney 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.080 and Melbourne. I've had you know, I've been on the 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:42.960 ABC many times in the regions and I reckon they 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:45.439 do a pretty good job on regional radio. They're fairly balanced, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.720 but when it comes to representing mainstream Australians in the 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.360 suburbs and the outer suburbs, they time and time again 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.880 show that they get it wrong. They're so focused on 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:56.640 their niche issues that they just can't They're in a 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:59.000 position now, I reckon, they just can't even understand what 0:13:59.400 --> 0:14:01.960 the typical on the street thinks. So this is why 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.720 their ratings or their marquee programs are going down, and 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.200 they're just going to continue to go down. 0:14:06.240 --> 0:14:09.640 If they behave in this manner, it. 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:12.680 Won't surprise you that I am in furious agreement. 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:14.199 Thank you so much, Daniel Wilt. 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.200 Joining me now is Women's Forum Australia's head of advocacy, 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:20.200 Steph Bastian. 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:24.200 Steph, Look, we seem to me making progress in the 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:25.120 fight to return the. 0:14:25.080 --> 0:14:28.960 World to gender common sense. Obviously that progress is not linear. 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.560 And then in the Albanezy government, Minister Catherine King has 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:37.040 accused Donald Trump of sowing a division because he dared 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.800 to back basic biology. We still have a little way 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:42.160 to go in Australia, don't we. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:46.080 Yeah, we certainly do. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.320 Not only were hers and Jasina Allen's comments inappropriate, they 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:52.000 were totally dismissive of the issues that are facing women 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:56.360 because of our policies that prioritize gender ideology over women's 0:14:56.400 --> 0:14:59.760 sex base rights. I mean, we have women in prison 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.480 who who are being housed with male offenders. We have 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.240 little girls going to school and having to share bathrooms 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.480 with male with male students, and parents are telling me 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:10.360 that their girls are holding on all day rather than 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:13.640 going out of embarrassment or for fear of their safety. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:18.240 We have women being injured in sport because of our 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:21.360 inclusive policies that allow men to identifying to female team. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:24.200 Some of these are head injuries, stomach injuries, broken bones. 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:28.440 It's absolutely horrendous. So these comments, I mean, not only 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.600 are they being divisive, they are totally dismissing the issues 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:35.600 that are being faced by women today as a result 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.960 of bad government failure to address this issue. And quite frankly, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.640 the train left the station before Trump got elected. His 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.320 policies are simply surcharging the demand for change in this country. 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:50.640 And Steph, just a point. I mean, this issue was 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.480 a real sacred cow. You know, even twelve eighteen months ago. 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.200 Do you think we are making some progress here in 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:00.520 Australia at least being able to more openly speak about it. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:03.560 Oh? 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:06.080 Absolutely, I think more and more people are speaking up 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.000 across the political spectrum. There was silence I think for 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:12.560 a long time, particularly from people on the left who 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:17.600 saw themselves as allies. But increasingly, particularly as other groups 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.560 such as you know, lesbians and same sex people are 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.520 being affected, they're realizing that this gender ideology is just 0:16:23.560 --> 0:16:26.920 taking over everywhere and that it's no longer about equal riotes, 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:31.000 it's about submission, and it's just it's gone so far, 0:16:31.600 --> 0:16:32.880 and the harm is so great to. 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:34.840 Women and to girls and to all the rest of it. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.200 More and more people are realizing that it's not based 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:39.920 on common sense and it's. 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:40.160 Got to go. 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:43.200 Yeah. Absolutely. 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.400 Now, some recent research conducted by Employment Service ZIMIA has 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:50.720 shown that in the US, seventy five percent of DEI 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:55.640 positions were held by white Americans, and ironically, blokes still 0:16:55.760 --> 0:17:00.240 seem to earn more than women despite preaching equality. Now 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.800 I find this, you know, hysterically funny. Doesn't it just 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.080 show how shallow and disingenuous this mantra. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.160 Has been from right at the very beginning. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:17.679 Oh absolutely, These sorts of roles were always about pr exercises, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.720 particularly by governments and woke corporations. I remember going to 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.400 the Northern Territory when the Voice campaign just to bring 0:17:24.440 --> 0:17:27.639 it back home, and I met with community organizations who 0:17:27.720 --> 0:17:30.080 were working on the front line with women facing domestic 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.679 violence or getting young offenders back on track after a 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.159 stint in prison. And while you know, inner city elites 0:17:37.200 --> 0:17:42.240 were arguing about land rights and the Voice, they had 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:45.640 government being stripped from the government, funding being stripped for them. 0:17:45.680 --> 0:17:48.040 And they are no longer able to deliver those services. 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.760 I think that big corporations and government departments that want 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:53.520 to do the right thing should be putting these three 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.480 hundred thousand dollars salaries to better use, quite frankly, but 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:58.600 there doesn't seem to be any initiative to do that, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.480 probably because there's little to be gained from a pr 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:02.480 perspective out of it. 0:18:04.880 --> 0:18:05.080 Yeah. 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:05.760 Well, I've just. 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.720 Thoroughly enjoyed light being shone down on this. It has 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:13.000 been a very interesting week, that's for sure. 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:15.960 And look, women's rights groups, and you raise this earlier, 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.800 they've long fought to keep biological. 0:18:18.280 --> 0:18:20.719 Men out of women's prisons, and this is now the 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:21.960 reality in the US. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:23.800 Can you tell us about the executive order? 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.159 Yeah, it's a brilliant executive order. I'm so pleased that 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.960 it's happened because women in prison are some of the 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:35.960 most marginalized and the most vulnerable in society. They often 0:18:36.000 --> 0:18:38.719 come from backgrounds of abuse and trauma and neglect. They 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:42.840 suffer greater mental health issues and often addiction problems as well. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:46.440 And the last thing that they want, the last thing 0:18:46.480 --> 0:18:49.040 that they need, is to have male offenders being placed 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.120 in prisons with them. It's grossly unfair and I think 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:55.520 what the Trump administration has done here is common sense 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.680 and it's something that we need here in Australia too. 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:01.520 We know that there are sex offenders and male perpetrates 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.920 being housed in female prison self idea into female prisons. 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.320 There was an example. 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:08.560 Of this raised a couple of weeks ago by a 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:12.760 Rodducks magazine where late last year a male offender he 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:15.400 was arrested as a male, he was out on bail 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:20.880 in male accommodation on pedophilia charges, then during sentencing housed 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.639