Speaker 1: Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.
Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the show. I'm James
Speaker 2: Macpherson filling in for Sharry. Coming up tonight. Labor busy
Speaker 2: trying to put a good spin on yesterday's grim economic
Speaker 2: news as a new poll released just hours ago shows
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton on track to win the next election, an
Speaker 2: entire industry on a knife's edge as Tanya Plibasek pussyfoots
Speaker 2: around another major decision in her environment portfolio and is
Speaker 2: the answer to declining educational out and this declining educational
Speaker 2: outcomes a return to old school teaching methods. The amazing
Speaker 2: nap Plan results achieved by a group of Catholic schools
Speaker 2: suggest that's the case. Kevin Donnelly will join me shortly,
Speaker 2: and Jews targeted a game by protesters, this time outside
Speaker 2: of major Sydney synagogue, with worshipers forced to barricade themselves
Speaker 2: inside their synagogue for their own safety. I'll have the
Speaker 2: latest on that disgraceful episode with Alex Rivchen shortly. But
Speaker 2: First Treasurer Jim Chalmers today publicly backed Anthony Elbanezi to
Speaker 2: continue leading the Labor Party if they win the next election,
Speaker 2: and that public backing should ensure the Prime Minister enjoys
Speaker 2: anything but a merry Christmas. Whenever your nearest political rival
Speaker 2: is publicly backing you, it's a sign you're already in trouble.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you weren't in trouble, there'd be no
Speaker 2: need for people to say that they back you. And
Speaker 2: if you are in trouble will your rivals are only
Speaker 2: backing you until they're close enough to stab you in
Speaker 2: the back, which is why Albanzi's election catchphrase is all
Speaker 2: sorts of wrong. And my government has always been focused
Speaker 2: on making Australians lives better. The number one priority of
Speaker 2: my government is to continue providing support.
Speaker 3: My message is we have your back.
Speaker 2: Do you really believe Anthony Albanesi has your back or
Speaker 2: do you feel like Anthony Anthony Albanese needs to get
Speaker 2: off your back along with Chris Bowen, Penny Wong, Andrew Giles,
Speaker 2: Tanya Plipasek Ed Husick and Tony Burke.
Speaker 3: That's a lot of monkeys.
Speaker 2: But back to my point, do you really think ALBINIZI
Speaker 2: believes Jim Chalmers has his back? He's Jim Charmers on
Speaker 2: ABC Radio earlier today.
Speaker 4: My expectation, and my hope is if we do win
Speaker 4: the election next year, that Anthony Albanezi serves the full
Speaker 4: term and runs again. That's what I would expect to happen.
Speaker 3: Okay, he expects and he hopes.
Speaker 2: He might have added wishes and praise that Albanezi will
Speaker 2: be leader if they win the next election. Expect, hope,
Speaker 2: if not exactly terms that fill you with confidence. Charmer's
Speaker 2: unassuring reassurance came after the Age newspaper ran this headline,
Speaker 2: if Albanezi wins the next election, he should celebrate, then
Speaker 2: step aside. Now bear in mind this isn't the evil papers,
Speaker 2: this is the Melbourne Age. Nicky Sava wrote, and I
Speaker 2: quote Albanezey succeeded brilliantly, certainly beyond his wildest imaginings and
Speaker 2: that of his friends, to become leader then prime minister.
Speaker 2: He should count his blessings then gracefully relinquish the job.
Speaker 2: In other words, no one, not even his friends, ever
Speaker 2: thought Albinezey was much of a leader, and they're still
Speaker 2: amazed he's the prime minister.
Speaker 3: And that was the kind version. She went on to say.
Speaker 2: The more drastic view, which has been bubbling away inside
Speaker 2: the wider Labor family is that he's lost his mojo,
Speaker 2: his judgment has deserted him and if he can't summon
Speaker 2: the discipline to shape up, he should ship out before
Speaker 2: the election to allow someone else to take on a
Speaker 2: rampant Peter Dutton AlCH that's from the friendly media. So
Speaker 2: there was Jim Chalmers on ABC Radio helping to pump
Speaker 2: up his ailing leader's mojo.
Speaker 4: But one of the things that we'll be taking to
Speaker 4: the Australian people is a sense of stability, a sense
Speaker 4: that we've got an economic plan.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, Labor is going to take a sense
Speaker 2: of stability to the Australian people.
Speaker 3: Where are they going to get that from?
Speaker 2: Is he talking about the electricity grid that's not exactly
Speaker 2: stable at the moment. Maybe he's talking about interest rates.
Speaker 2: They're pretty stable, as in immovably high. Immigration is also
Speaker 2: stable at record numbers. Government spending is stable at record highs.
Speaker 2: Forgive me, but things are terrible and we promise to
Speaker 2: keep it stable.
Speaker 3: It's not exactly a winning pitch.
Speaker 2: Imagine an airline pilot telling passengers as they plummet towards
Speaker 2: the ground, we're going to crash but don't worry, as
Speaker 2: we plummet to the earth will be giving you a
Speaker 2: sense of stability as well as a sense of stability.
Speaker 2: The Treasurer promise to PM would give Australians a sense
Speaker 2: that we've got an economic plan, not a plan, a
Speaker 2: sense that they've got a plan. And then Jim Chalmers
Speaker 2: generously gave all the credit for the sense of stability
Speaker 2: and the sense of a plan to Anthony Albanezi, which
Speaker 2: gives me the sense that Charmers has the PM's back
Speaker 2: in the same way the PM has ours.
Speaker 4: We're rolling that out in difficult times. We're helping people
Speaker 4: where we can, and that's a tribute to Anthony's leadership.
Speaker 3: Wonderful.
Speaker 2: We're rolling out a sense of a plan in difficult
Speaker 2: times and helping people, you know, where we can, and
Speaker 2: it's all thanks to Anthony's leadership.
Speaker 3: Very helpful, Jim Charmers.
Speaker 4: I certainly anticipate and expect and hope that if we
Speaker 4: win the next election that Anthony will be around for
Speaker 4: as long as possible.
Speaker 2: Anthony Albanesi has been in the lodge two and a
Speaker 2: half years and he's already run out of gas, a
Speaker 2: bit like the country. Actually a report out today by
Speaker 2: Frontier Economics predicted residential gas customers would face price rises
Speaker 2: of up to two hundred and ninety dollars because supply
Speaker 2: of gas is so short. That comes after yesterday's warning
Speaker 2: by Manufacturing Australia that looming gas shortage threatens tens of
Speaker 2: thousands of jobs.
Speaker 3: It's so bad we're now getting to.
Speaker 2: The point where we can't afford to even make bricks
Speaker 2: in this country. Australia's number one home builder, Metricons, said
Speaker 2: the cost of making bricks, which like the manufacture of
Speaker 2: most things, requires gas, has gone up two hundred percent
Speaker 2: in the past six years, and that's making houses more expensive,
Speaker 2: which is making the housing crisis a greater crisis, which
Speaker 2: is why we need a little more than a sense
Speaker 2: that the government has a plan. According to the Australian
Speaker 2: Bureau of Statistics, building costs are now on average thirty
Speaker 2: five percent higher than in twenty nineteen, and the major
Speaker 2: cause of that is high energy costs. But of course
Speaker 2: here's the crazy thing. The gas shortage that threatens to
Speaker 2: cripple and already hobbled economy is not a gas shortage
Speaker 2: at all. It's a refusal on the part of the
Speaker 2: government to access the abundance of gas right beneath our feet.
Speaker 2: The government's decided that gas is evil, too many emissions,
Speaker 2: and so we can't access any more of it. Seventy
Speaker 2: percent of what we do access is sold over sea,
Speaker 2: leaving the domestic market hopelessly short. But instead of opening
Speaker 2: new gas fields can't do that emissions. We export gas
Speaker 2: overseas and then pay to import it back at a
Speaker 2: higher price than we sold it.
Speaker 3: Call it elbanomics. And by the time we bring.
Speaker 2: Back to Australia what we've shipped out of Australia, what
Speaker 2: do you think has happened to emissions? We've created more
Speaker 2: than we otherwise would have. So it's a whole lot
Speaker 2: of pain for absolutely zero gain. If you're getting a
Speaker 2: sense that the government's plan makes no sense, then that's
Speaker 2: not the sense Jim Chalmers intended.
Speaker 3: But your senses are good.
Speaker 2: Having demonized call disparaged gas and discredited nuclear, here's the plan.
Speaker 2: Canberra's trial shows evs can provide backup power to grid
Speaker 2: in blackouts and emergencies.
Speaker 3: That's right. We can power Australia by.
Speaker 2: Getting motorists to donate unused electricity from their Tesla's Now
Speaker 2: you know Jim Chalmers says they have a sense of
Speaker 2: a plan because that sure ain't an actual plan.
Speaker 3: Here's a plan.
Speaker 5: I will end a devastating infleetion crisis, immediately bring down
Speaker 5: interest rates and lower the cost of energy.
Speaker 6: We will drill, baby drill.
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton should drill, baby drill. That should be his
Speaker 2: election catchphrase. Would you vote for Elbow to have you
Speaker 2: back or for Dutton to drill baby drill. He made
Speaker 2: a good move today pledging to scrap the government's planned
Speaker 2: Port Stephens offshore wind farm if elected.
Speaker 7: Our economy can't function on intermittent part time power. We
Speaker 7: need strong base slow power. Anthony ORBERNEI is about an
Speaker 7: ideological pursuit of one hundred percent renewables in the system,
Speaker 7: which will drive up the power prices of ordinary Australians.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a really good start. Next, pledge to scrap
Speaker 2: the bands on accessing our abundant.
Speaker 3: Resources of natural gas.
Speaker 2: Then pledge to restart coul fired power stations until nuclear
Speaker 2: power is ready. Do that and everyone will be happy.
Speaker 2: Australians will have cheap, reliable energy. Peter Dutton will be
Speaker 2: in the lodge Anthony Albanezi will be enjoying retirement in
Speaker 2: his four million dollar beach side mansion. It's on a
Speaker 2: cliff top, so he'll be safe from sea levels that
Speaker 2: will be warned will rise the moment Dutton takes office
Speaker 2: and Jim Charmers will lead the Labor opposition from where
Speaker 2: he can continue his political career, but without damaging the
Speaker 2: country any further. Now that's a plan that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Let's hope Peter Dutton is sensible enough to do it.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Treasurer Jim Chalmers is working hard to spin some positive
Speaker 2: pr out of yesterday's grim economic data after the Coalition
Speaker 2: slammed Labour's record spending, which is driving inflation and keeping
Speaker 2: interest rates high.
Speaker 3: Here's Peter Dutton, families are going backwards under this government.
Speaker 7: Inflation remains high and therefore interest rates will stay higher
Speaker 7: for longer.
Speaker 8: Why.
Speaker 7: Well, the Reserve Bank Governor has made it very clear.
Speaker 7: The government continues to spend money in a wasteful way
Speaker 7: and that's holding up inflation for longer. And that's why
Speaker 7: interest rates will stay higher for longer.
Speaker 3: And here's the Treasure's measured sensible reply.
Speaker 4: So we get a lot of free advice from our
Speaker 4: political opponents and from their sicker fans and suck ups,
Speaker 4: that we should have some kind of slash and burn
Speaker 4: budget with radical austerity. That's a recipe for a session.
Speaker 2: That sounded to me like a man under pressure. Not
Speaker 2: as much pressure as Anthony Albanezi, mind you, and not
Speaker 2: as much pressure as every day ossie's trying to pay
Speaker 2: their bills. But that was a tetchy response. Let's bring
Speaker 2: in a very relaxed and calm Perth Mayre Basil's emplas
Speaker 2: and LNP MP Andrew Wallace Basil Jim Chalmers has promised
Speaker 2: the mid year budget won't be a major cash splash.
Speaker 2: But what happens to our already weak GDP figures if
Speaker 2: we don't have the government's wreck spending to keep propping
Speaker 2: us up.
Speaker 9: Well we know where that'd be, don't we. And he's
Speaker 9: getting cranky, the Treasurer. And cranky means and he's normally
Speaker 9: pretty mild mannered. That means all is not well, or
Speaker 9: certainly the attention that he is under an Australia's financial position.
Speaker 9: He is bearing the brunt of responsibility for it as
Speaker 9: he should.
Speaker 1: He is the federal Treasurer.
Speaker 8: We know that.
Speaker 9: Productivity is down. We know that Australian's standards of living
Speaker 9: have fallen off a cliff.
Speaker 1: We know that household bills have.
Speaker 9: Gone up, and we know that the Australian federal public
Speaker 9: service has grown by around about twenty five thousand people
Speaker 9: in Labour's period. So this spending is not the right
Speaker 9: way to address the Australian economy, and sooner or later
Speaker 9: it is going to become a major problem.
Speaker 1: It's already at that point.
Speaker 9: And frankly, if they're the sorts of responses that the
Speaker 9: Treasurer is giving to sensible, well meaning questions, well perhaps
Speaker 9: it suggests he's out of answers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it certainly suggests he's out of his depth. Andrew.
Speaker 2: The only sector of the economy that's growing is the
Speaker 2: public sector. Has Basil pointed out, the Commonwealth public services
Speaker 2: grown by twenty six thousand permanent staff since Labor came
Speaker 2: to power. The Commonwealth now has three hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: five thousand employees with an annual wages bill of thirty
Speaker 2: seven billion dollars and guests who pays for that? If
Speaker 2: you guessed you and I you'd be correct. This government
Speaker 2: is building bureaucracy while business just dwindles, isn't it.
Speaker 10: Let's right, James, and thanks for having me on. Of
Speaker 10: course this is true to form for all labor governments
Speaker 10: who always believe in big spending, big bloadd bureaucracy. We
Speaker 10: have had an explosion of public servants working in Canberra,
Speaker 10: and of course we've had more than a million immigrants
Speaker 10: coming into the country and really that's the only thing
Speaker 10: that has kept the economy on life support rather than
Speaker 10: being a stone motherlers dead. But when I get around
Speaker 10: and talk to people in my electorate and everywhere else
Speaker 10: in Australia apart from Canberra, people are doing it very, very,
Speaker 10: very tough. The cost of living on families has been
Speaker 10: so incredibly significant with now the National Account figures that
Speaker 10: were released just a couple of days ago identified now
Speaker 10: seven consecutive quarters of negative growth. It's the longest period
Speaker 10: in Australian history of negative growth for households and it
Speaker 10: really just demonstrates how tough people are doing. But if
Speaker 10: people are in small business, they're getting a double wham
Speaker 10: because not only have their cost of living significantly gone up,
Speaker 10: but the cost of doing business for small business gas electricity, insurance,
Speaker 10: they've all gone skyrocketing as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I got problems everywhere.
Speaker 2: Who would have imagined back in twenty twenty two that
Speaker 2: labor might be a one term government and the part
Speaker 2: of the reason for that would be, can you believe it?
Speaker 3: Salmon?
Speaker 2: Labor heavyweights have worn the Prime Minister that if they
Speaker 2: shut down salmon farming in Tasmania to save the Manguin
Speaker 2: skates so beloved by inner city Greens, they won't have
Speaker 2: an office to return to after the election.
Speaker 3: Basil.
Speaker 2: It's not like the PM doesn't have enough on his
Speaker 2: plate right now without adding salmon, of all things to it.
Speaker 1: Haven't got many, right have they?
Speaker 9: And there must be some soul searching, even if it's
Speaker 9: not audible, or even if it's not conversations that they're
Speaker 9: having allowed, they must wonder to themselves, how did we
Speaker 9: get from where we were nearly three years ago to
Speaker 9: this point where we're hanging in by a thread and
Speaker 9: the latest opinion polls we know what they're suggesting. I
Speaker 9: think there's been such a contrast in styles from the leaders.
Speaker 9: We know that Peter Dutton have said this many times.
Speaker 9: Not trying to win a popularity contest, trying to win
Speaker 9: an a let and his philosophy about achieving that has
Speaker 9: been stand for what you stand for, make it clear,
Speaker 9: be big and bold and let the Australian people make
Speaker 9: their choice. And by contrast, the Prime Minister has been
Speaker 9: flimsy and wishy was She been on some positions, been
Speaker 9: off others and hasn't been able to get one to stick.
Speaker 9: So there is a clear contrast. We're going to have
Speaker 9: an election in the first half of next year and
Speaker 9: right now Peter Dutton really starting to look like a winner.
Speaker 2: Andrew Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek isn't exactly helping. She's made
Speaker 2: a mess of the mcphillamy gold decision and now she's
Speaker 2: making a mess of Tasmania's salmon industry. She's put off
Speaker 2: for decision about the industry until after the election, leaving
Speaker 2: more than five thousand people who rely on the industry
Speaker 2: for their livelihoods in limbo. I mean you just can't
Speaker 2: lead like that. In fact, that's not leadership at all.
Speaker 10: No, absolutely, and I agree with all the comments that
Speaker 10: have been said tonight. So are you know those five
Speaker 10: one hundred workers that stand to lose their jobs in
Speaker 10: Tasmania and the salmon industry. And you've got Tanya Plubisek
Speaker 10: who is consistently trying to appeal to the inner city
Speaker 10: elites in Melbourne and Sydney and really not looking after
Speaker 10: and also in my electorate as well, the fishing industry.
Speaker 10: That the damage that she's caused in my electric in
Speaker 10: fisher Weather, the largest wild court tuna fishery on the
Speaker 10: eastern seaboard of Australia, and she has locked up so
Speaker 10: much of the fishing grounds that we're seeing unprecedented numbers
Speaker 10: of boats that are no longer going to see because
Speaker 10: it's just not viable for them anymore. So it's not
Speaker 10: just salmon in Tazzi, it's also tuna around the East
Speaker 10: coast of Australia and that's because of Tanya.
Speaker 3: Put seat well Andrew.
Speaker 2: With all of this, it should come as no surprise,
Speaker 2: or maybe it does. I don't know that polling released
Speaker 2: just a couple of hours ago has Peter Dutton on
Speaker 2: track to win the election next year. The Redbridge poll,
Speaker 2: released just as I said a couple of hours ago
Speaker 2: in news Court Papers, projects the Coalition ahead in sixty
Speaker 2: four seats, ahead of Labour on fifty nine, with fourteen
Speaker 2: seats remaining too close to call.
Speaker 3: Basil.
Speaker 2: I remember when the experts used to assure themselves that
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton was unelectable. Is this a case of cometh
Speaker 2: the hour, cometh the man, because all of a sudden
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton's got his nose in front.
Speaker 1: It feels that way, doesn't it.
Speaker 9: And you know, I think often in observing Australian politics,
Speaker 9: no opposition leader ever really looks like a premier or
Speaker 9: a prime minister. But then when they are, they quickly
Speaker 9: bed in. And I think that's the relationship that Peter
Speaker 9: Dutton is enjoying with the Australian population at the moment.
Speaker 9: I mean, they see him for what he is. He
Speaker 9: doesn't try and be something that he's not. He makes
Speaker 9: his agenda and his philosophy is very clear.
Speaker 1: He sticks to.
Speaker 9: Them and he has given the sort of conviction leadership
Speaker 9: forward as an option for the Australian public that they
Speaker 9: are looking for.
Speaker 1: And when you contrast Anthony.
Speaker 9: Albanese's style over the last three years, nice enough, fellow,
Speaker 9: good bloke.
Speaker 1: I think he is a genuinely good bloke.
Speaker 9: I think he's a good, honest, decent Australian. But he
Speaker 9: hasn't got the politics right in this three year term.
Speaker 9: And by contrast, the option that Peter Dutton has put
Speaker 9: forward strong, bold, this is what I stand for. People
Speaker 9: have a choice and at the moment I'm not surprised
Speaker 9: to see the polls leaning his way.
Speaker 3: Neil Andrew just quickly.
Speaker 2: Labor have said that at the next election they're going
Speaker 2: to target Peter Dutton's quote unquote unlikability. But it's the
Speaker 2: shine that seems to have come off elbow that's the
Speaker 2: real problem, isn't it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, Look, I think Peter is appealing to people because
Speaker 10: of his strength. I think that the Australian people are
Speaker 10: looking for strong leadership right now.
Speaker 1: What they've seen.
Speaker 10: Over the last two and a half years with the
Speaker 10: Prime Minister has been utter ineffective, weakness and the way
Speaker 10: that he has been totally distracted on things like the
Speaker 10: voice when average Australians and small business is doing it
Speaker 10: so tough with the cost of living. They haven't concentrated
Speaker 10: on basics like getting the fundamentals right, trying to assist
Speaker 10: our economy. Our economy is going backwards at a great
Speaker 10: rate of knots. People are doing it tough and people
Speaker 10: are comparing the weakness of Anthony Albanesi with the strength.
Speaker 3: Of Peter Dutton.
Speaker 10: Look, I don't want to come out this early in
Speaker 10: the blocks and say that you know we're going to
Speaker 10: win the next election. I'm not going to say that
Speaker 10: because it's a herculean task that waits ahead of us.
Speaker 10: We has only ever been one term one one term
Speaker 10: government in Australian political history at a federal level, and
Speaker 10: that was back in nineteen thirty one. We need to
Speaker 10: win twenty one seats to win you're already government. So
Speaker 10: it's a herculean task and Peter Dutton is up to
Speaker 10: the job as and we will support him every step
Speaker 10: of the way.
Speaker 2: He's certainly making all the right moves at the moment.
Speaker 2: Basil Andrew, appreciate your time tonight, Thank you well. Catholic
Speaker 2: schools in the Act captured national attention this week after
Speaker 2: they achieved remarkable results in this year's napland tests. And
Speaker 2: guess how they achieved top results. They went old school.
Speaker 2: The Catholics ditched the modern education fetish of student led learning,
Speaker 2: whatever that means, and they got teachers to actually teach,
Speaker 2: and they got kids to repeat key concepts over and
Speaker 2: over and over again until they were certain they had
Speaker 2: learned them.
Speaker 3: Fancy that and it worked.
Speaker 2: Teachers teaching kids learning and concepts being committed to memory.
Speaker 2: What a revolutionary idea, and that, of course is the problem,
Speaker 2: isn't it. It is revolutionary, but it shouldn't be, but
Speaker 2: it is to discuss. I'm joined by author Kevin Donnelly. Kevin,
Speaker 2: thanks for your time tonight. Just before we get into
Speaker 2: all of this, tell us about these schools and how
Speaker 2: well they did, because the turnaround for some of them
Speaker 2: was quite dramatic, wasn't it.
Speaker 8: It is very much James. And when you look at
Speaker 8: the schools, the Catholic schools in the Act, but other
Speaker 8: schools in Melbourne, Sydney, Perth, Adelaide, those primary schools in
Speaker 8: particular where you really do have to learn the basics
Speaker 8: in terms of reading. What they've done over the last
Speaker 8: five ten years, a lot of them is to get
Speaker 8: rid of this progressive New Age approach to reading called
Speaker 8: look and guess, where it's all about pretty well making
Speaker 8: it up. And these more successful schools have gone back
Speaker 8: to what in the old days were called phonics and
Speaker 8: phonemic awareness, which is about learning the structure of the alphabet,
Speaker 8: learning about particular words, found them out in terms of
Speaker 8: valves and consonance, and how to put that together, so
Speaker 8: it becomes automatic. I mean, back in the day when
Speaker 8: I did teacher training many years ago, and I did
Speaker 8: it I was an English teacher, we were told that
Speaker 8: learning to read was natural, like learning to listen or talk.
Speaker 8: But learning to read is actually very unnatural, and it
Speaker 8: has to be structured, it has to be explicit, and
Speaker 8: it has to be well taught.
Speaker 2: So do you think these results will put an end
Speaker 2: to those progressive fads and experiments that we've seen become
Speaker 2: all the rage recently, or is there a reluctance to
Speaker 2: change amongst the teaching fraternity in schools.
Speaker 8: It's complicated. I mean, the reality is many teachers who
Speaker 8: have gone through teacher training over the last ten twenty
Speaker 8: years have not been taught this approach, whether you call
Speaker 8: it phonics, whether you call it direct instruction or more
Speaker 8: explicit teaching. So a lot of teachers already in the
Speaker 8: classroom are going to have to be retrained. And that means,
Speaker 8: in fact that faculties of education and some are doing
Speaker 8: it now, whether it's Latrobe University or the Australian Catholic University.
Speaker 8: They have moved towards this more effective approach to teaching
Speaker 8: and learning. It's going to take time. It's not about money,
Speaker 8: and the teacher Union, the Australian Education Union are wrong
Speaker 8: to argue the best way to improve results is to
Speaker 8: put more money into it. We know that doesn't work.
Speaker 8: What has to happen is we need to look at
Speaker 8: more effective teaching and learning and that will take time.
Speaker 8: There's no denying that, but it's a good thing. The
Speaker 8: real crime here is that we've had generations of young
Speaker 8: people over the last twenty thirty years. And I and
Speaker 8: others warned about this thirty years ago, that we've gone
Speaker 8: down the wrong track. The problem is we've had generations
Speaker 8: of young people go through a school not being able
Speaker 8: to read, in fact illiterate. So it'll take time before
Speaker 8: we can rectify that.
Speaker 2: What I want to know is if the results are
Speaker 2: so stark and it's so obvious that a return to
Speaker 2: how we used to do things is in the best
Speaker 2: interests of every child's education, why does the government not
Speaker 2: insist that this is done immediately. You say, well, teachers
Speaker 2: have to be retrained. Fair enough, retrain teachers, but I
Speaker 2: mean governments fund schools. If the results are so obviously
Speaker 2: better with the old methods, why is it not mandated
Speaker 2: in every state for all schools. If you want your funding,
Speaker 2: you will take steps to go back to learning as
Speaker 2: we used to do, rather than with these new fads
Speaker 2: that clearly a producing less than optimal results.
Speaker 8: The problem here is that and I was an English teacher,
Speaker 8: as I mentioned, for eighteen years, and the Australian Association
Speaker 8: Teaching of English, they've been pushing this progressive New Age
Speaker 8: agenda over the last twenty thirty years. So a lot
Speaker 8: of those academics who are responsible. The Australian Education Union
Speaker 8: is another one, they've been pushing this idea of what
Speaker 8: they call critical literacy, get away from teaching standard English
Speaker 8: or for its venetic awareness. You've got these organizations that
Speaker 8: have been very influential, and it will take a very
Speaker 8: strong education minister federally or state and territory to actually
Speaker 8: fight against these entrenched organizations that have spent the last
Speaker 8: thirty years creating the problem. So it's going to be difficult.
Speaker 8: Jason Clare, the Labor or the federal Minister ALP, He's
Speaker 8: tried to tie the funding. Whether that will work, I
Speaker 8: don't think so.
Speaker 1: What you need is a.
Speaker 8: More route and branch change in terms of teacher training,
Speaker 8: in terms of helping teachers who are already in the classroom,
Speaker 8: and also teaching parents and people. Forget that this literacy
Speaker 8: begins when children are two or three or five years old,
Speaker 8: before they go to school. Teachers are there, they can
Speaker 8: do their job, but they have to have young kids
Speaker 8: coming to school who know about what the printed word is.
Speaker 8: Parents need to get them off the tablets, off the
Speaker 8: computer screens.
Speaker 1: They need to.
Speaker 8: Shut it down, take it away, give them a picture book.
Speaker 8: Actually get their children to understand. But the printed word,
Speaker 8: it is more important than spending time on in the
Speaker 8: digital world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin Donnelly, you make a lot of sense. Thanks
Speaker 2: for your time tonight. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: We'll stick around. Still ahead.
Speaker 2: Caught on camera, Sleepy Joe zones out while meeting with
Speaker 2: African leaders. And next, more ugly scenes as pro Palestinian
Speaker 2: protesters target Jewish worshipers at a synagogue in Sydney.
Speaker 3: That's up next, Welcome Back.
Speaker 2: Jewish Australians were barricaded inside Sydney's Great Synagogue last night
Speaker 2: after a noisy and aggressive pro Palestinian group decided to
Speaker 2: protest on the street right outside. Just think about that,
Speaker 2: our fellow Australians were unable to safely leave their place
Speaker 2: of worship in the Sydney CBD because of people protesting
Speaker 2: about a conflict happening on the other side of the world.
Speaker 2: The so called activists protested outside the place of worship
Speaker 2: for nearly three hours, calling for sanctions against Israel and
Speaker 2: chanting from the River to the Sea, which everyone knows
Speaker 2: very well is a call for the extermination of the
Speaker 2: state of Israel. It was ugly, it was uncalled for,
Speaker 2: and for Jews in the synagogue it must have been terrifying.
Speaker 2: And once again our police failed Jewish Australians while allowing
Speaker 2: those who sought to intimidate them to run unchecked.
Speaker 3: Have a look at this.
Speaker 2: Police do nothing to remove the mob chanting in sindiory
Speaker 2: slogans right out the front of the synagogue. But when
Speaker 2: a Jew holds an Israeli flag outside of the Jewish synagogue,
Speaker 2: police move on the Jew for exciting the mob.
Speaker 6: The world go.
Speaker 1: Go You're going back and your goway. I would have
Speaker 1: thank Pagan I you no need to be here.
Speaker 2: I cannot believe that, no need for the guy with
Speaker 2: the Jewish flag to be outside the Jewish synagogue. What
Speaker 2: about the protesters? Why are they there? The police just
Speaker 2: allowed them to continue. I suppose they weren't breaking any laws.
Speaker 2: But seriously, when you see things like that, you just
Speaker 2: wonder what on earth is going on. I'm joined now
Speaker 2: by Executive Council of Australian Jury co CEO Alex Ritchen Alex.
Speaker 2: The mob claimed they were protesting against an event being
Speaker 2: held at the synagogue by the Israel Institute of Technology.
Speaker 2: Was that a fair enough excuse to camp right out
Speaker 2: front of the synagogue?
Speaker 3: Certainly not.
Speaker 11: But the event that they were protesting was the anniversary
Speaker 11: the one hundredth anniversary of the Technion University in Haipha,
Speaker 11: one of the great institutions of higher education anywhere in
Speaker 11: the world. And the reason they were protesting that first,
Speaker 11: it's a symbol of Israel, but also it stands for
Speaker 11: everything that they fear and hate. So the Techniom was
Speaker 11: founded in nineteen twelve by Jews in Heifer. But the
Speaker 11: protesters would have this, believe that there were no Jews
Speaker 11: before nineteen forty eight. Twenty percent of the students that
Speaker 11: go to that university are Arab Israelis. They would have
Speaker 11: us believe that Israel's in apartheid state. The techno has
Speaker 11: produced groundbreaking research, particular Nobel Laureates in molecular biology that
Speaker 11: have changed the way that we look at diseases. But
Speaker 11: the protesters would have us believe that Israel's a force
Speaker 11: for evil. Are not good. So the institution represents everything
Speaker 11: that they fear and everything that I want us to know,
Speaker 11: which is the truth of Israel. It shows again that
Speaker 11: this is a protest not against any political cause. It's
Speaker 11: a protest against values, against decency and basic truth.
Speaker 3: So Alex just explain to me.
Speaker 2: For the people who were inside the synagogue, I mean
Speaker 2: they couldn't come out the front door because I mean,
Speaker 2: one Jewish man across the other side of the road
Speaker 2: stood up so much commotion police moved him on. So
Speaker 2: all the people inside the synagogue, the protest went for
Speaker 2: about three hours. Were they able to get out and
Speaker 2: get home happened?
Speaker 11: They had to wait it out. They were barricaded inside
Speaker 11: the synagogue and they were advised by police that wasn't
Speaker 11: safe for them to leave. We've seen over the last
Speaker 11: fourteen months and in countries around the world, what these
Speaker 11: mobs can do when properly aggravated and inside it. It's
Speaker 11: a dangerous situation, and that's why the police were so
Speaker 11: keen to remove the one Jewish individual. We look at
Speaker 11: that as a case of bizarre police and the fact
Speaker 11: they targeted the Jew rather than the mob that threatened him.
Speaker 11: But ultimately they were concerned for his safety and it
Speaker 11: was easy to remove him. But it shows the menace
Speaker 11: and the harm posed by these mobs, and that's why
Speaker 11: for three hours the people inside couldn't even go about
Speaker 11: their lives. And the fact that you have people in
Speaker 11: this country in this time barricaded inside synagogues, unable to
Speaker 11: go about their lives at the mercy of mobs, it's shameful.
Speaker 3: It's absolutely outrageous.
Speaker 2: Speaking of outrageous, I want to turn to today's shocking
Speaker 2: news with Amnesty International accusing Israel of committing genocide against
Speaker 2: Palestinians in Gaza. Now, Amnesty took it upon themselves to
Speaker 2: do an investigation and released a report yesterday. Should NGOs
Speaker 2: even be getting involved in investigations like this.
Speaker 11: It very much depends on the NGOs and their expertise,
Speaker 11: and whether they arrive at these issues with credibility and
Speaker 11: good faith. Amnesty certainly does not. Since two thousand and one,
Speaker 11: Amnesty has been at the forefront of the NGO war
Speaker 11: against Israel. It was one of the leading groups involved
Speaker 11: in the Urban Conference where the boycott, divestment and sanctioned
Speaker 11: BDS movement against Israel was formed. The following year, it
Speaker 11: was responsible for spreading the libel that Israel had massacred
Speaker 11: five hundred people in Jenin, where no such thing had occurred.
Speaker 11: For years and years and years, this organization has produced
Speaker 11: phony reports that have done nothing but spread greater lives
Speaker 11: and greater harm targeting Jewish individuals and the State of Israel,
Speaker 11: and they receive government funding. They're still viewed as being
Speaker 11: an impartial, credible organization. Last year they attacked Ukraine and
Speaker 11: accused them of war crimes. This is an organization that,
Speaker 11: much like that fellow travelers in the far left, oppose
Speaker 11: democracy and sided with autocratic, tyrannical regimes wherever they can,
Speaker 11: so whatever they say, usually the opposite is the truth.
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has said what so many of us are
Speaker 2: thinking when it comes to Labour's stance on Israel. Have
Speaker 2: listened to his comments today and.
Speaker 12: You've got the Prime Minister who's been the leader of
Speaker 12: the left in the Labor Party for twenty or thirty years.
Speaker 12: So in a sense you shouldn't be surprised by the position.
Speaker 12: But the government went into the last election saying that
Speaker 12: there would be a bipartisan position in relation to Israel.
Speaker 12: And it's not just about the Jewish community, not just
Speaker 12: about Israel. It's about civilization itself, and it's about the
Speaker 12: values that we have as Western, as Westerns and as
Speaker 12: a culture that's worth protecting and defending.
Speaker 2: Alex just in the time we've got left, talk to
Speaker 2: me about that last comment by Peter Dutton. We all
Speaker 2: know that this Labor government has betrayed our alliance with
Speaker 2: Israel and Australian Jews. But Peter Dutton says that this
Speaker 2: is not just about looking after Israel. This fight is
Speaker 2: about Western civilization. Just quickly, what does he mean by that.
Speaker 11: Well, he means that Israel is a democracy similar to
Speaker 11: ours in terms of the form of government, the pluralism
Speaker 11: of the society, the rights for women, LGBT people. It
Speaker 11: stands up for basic Western Judo Christian values for basic
Speaker 11: humanity in the post Enlightenment era. The enemies of Israel,
Speaker 11: the organizations and states that wish to destroy it, are
Speaker 11: the very enemies that we're fighting here in this country
Speaker 11: as well, that have fought all over the Western world.
Speaker 11: The Ranian regime prescribed terror organizations like hazblan Hamas they
Speaker 11: hate Israel not because of what it does, but because
Speaker 11: of what it is, which is the Jewish state and
Speaker 11: what they view as the Islamic world. So when Israel fights,
Speaker 11: it's fighting not only for its own sake, but it's
Speaker 11: fighting for the values of the West, including in this country.
Speaker 11: And that's why when Labor takes these positions hostile to
Speaker 11: the Jewish community in Israel, it is betraying not only
Speaker 11: certain constituencies and certain segments of the community, it has
Speaker 11: betraying the very values of this country.
Speaker 2: Alex Ripchun, it's always a delight to speak with you,
Speaker 2: and I appreciate you taking the time out tonight. We'll
Speaker 2: stick around because coming up fresh drama for former Victorian
Speaker 2: Premier Daniel Andrews. I'll let you know where he's no
Speaker 2: longer welcome. And consumers face another energy price hike, but
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton has outlined his plan for wind farms if elected.
Speaker 3: All of that in just a moment. Welcome back.
Speaker 2: Plenty more headlines to get across tonight, so let's jump
Speaker 2: straight into it with my panel, Liberal Senator Holly Hughes
Speaker 2: and Sky News commentator Jason Morrison.
Speaker 3: Welcome to you both now.
Speaker 2: As I said at the top of the show, the
Speaker 2: renewables debate has well and truly fired up again.
Speaker 3: Unlike our energy grid.
Speaker 2: Peter Dutton promised to scrap the controversial Port Stephens offshore
Speaker 2: wind zone if elected. That comes as residential gas customers
Speaker 2: are staring down the barrel of price increases of around
Speaker 2: two hundred and ninety five dollars, which reminds me of
Speaker 2: a figure, wasn't it two hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 2: we were promised to our electricity bills would go down.
Speaker 2: By Holly, I want to start with you. It's just
Speaker 2: insane that a gas rich country like Australia is going
Speaker 2: to have to import more gas while moving forward with
Speaker 2: these renewal projects that aren't even going to provide the
Speaker 2: reliable power we need to live and make things that
Speaker 2: none of this makes any sense at all. Can you
Speaker 2: make sense of it?
Speaker 13: Absolutely not, and I don't think anybody can. I mean,
Speaker 13: this country is literally floating on gas, yet somehow or other,
Speaker 13: we're now having.
Speaker 14: To import it.
Speaker 13: And to be honest, every other windshare program other than
Speaker 13: port steamens, as far as I can tell around the country,
Speaker 13: has already been canceled by the developers those offshore win
Speaker 13: short programs because they're not financially viable. So I would
Speaker 13: put that there are minutes, if not days, until someone
Speaker 13: imports Stevens in that project actually pulls the pin.
Speaker 14: I feel for the labor members.
Speaker 13: Up there who don't support it, yet they're being bombarded
Speaker 13: by Chris Bowen and his renewable only Chrisade. If you
Speaker 13: look at down Coley and Merrill Swanson, none of them
Speaker 13: are renewable zealous, yet due to labor carcus rules, start
Speaker 13: being bombarded by Chris Bowen. I mean, it is just
Speaker 13: insanity on steroids. But there isn't a person in this
Speaker 13: country who thinks that the renewable only approach that the
Speaker 13: Bowen and I'm going to say the Bowling government because
Speaker 13: alban Easy seems to have another leadership at the moment
Speaker 13: when it.
Speaker 14: Comes to the energy space, it's the Bowen government.
Speaker 13: And you know, when Casanova Bowen's in charge, we know
Speaker 13: we're all in trouble.
Speaker 1: Do you.
Speaker 2: I thought things were rugged, but when you start talking
Speaker 2: about the Bowen government, Ge, you really make me scared. Holly,
Speaker 2: you might not sleep tonight, exactly, Jason. The fact is
Speaker 2: many of the people who live in these areas where
Speaker 2: these offshore wind farms are going to be, they don't
Speaker 2: want them either, So why are labor forcing this on
Speaker 2: people who don't want them?
Speaker 5: It's extraordinary that the proposal is for these to sit
Speaker 5: off the coast of the Hunter in Australia's second most
Speaker 5: richest coal environment. It's like an insult to injury kind
Speaker 5: of situation, and that is the only way you can
Speaker 5: look at it that. I think a lot of people
Speaker 5: have figured out now that a lot of this is
Speaker 5: not really about the environment.
Speaker 1: Hasn't been for a long time.
Speaker 5: It's been about forcing change, social change. Well, can you
Speaker 5: think of a bigger one than that than shutting down
Speaker 5: the industry that sustains this region and giving them the
Speaker 5: big two fingers salute the great up yours off the
Speaker 5: coast with the wind farms and they're doing this and
Speaker 5: it is almost like this is the sort of sickness
Speaker 5: in Bowen's head that started to be poured out in policy.
Speaker 5: But what we're seeing here is something that it won't
Speaker 5: provide the baseload. The Hunter provides the baseload. Queensland. Thank
Speaker 5: god for Queensland. Queenslanders, thank you for being generous with
Speaker 5: your energy, because New South Wales would have none tonight.
Speaker 5: We rely on you every night to keep the lights
Speaker 5: on because dim wits like Bowen and Matt Kean before
Speaker 5: have progressively shut down a very reliable industry in.
Speaker 1: Coal in the Hunt of Alley.
Speaker 5: It's our advantage and we're destroying it. And we're destroying
Speaker 5: it for what reason?
Speaker 1: Really? What reason?
Speaker 5: No one can come up with the answer, We say
Speaker 5: the environment.
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to give me an answer.
Speaker 2: I find out, but of course there's no answer that question,
Speaker 2: is there?
Speaker 14: I want to go there is an answer to that question.
Speaker 13: The people that aren't benefiting are the people who were
Speaker 13: convinced to invest in renewable energy, and they're about the
Speaker 13: only Australians and unfortunately a lot of offshore investment, they're
Speaker 13: the only ones doing well at the moment are those
Speaker 13: that have continued to invest in this renewable pipe drain
Speaker 13: and it's every day Australians that are being forced to
Speaker 13: pay for it. And even those Australians are brought into
Speaker 13: solar panels.
Speaker 15: On their roof are now going to have to pay
Speaker 15: for excess energy that they put it into the.
Speaker 14: Green during the day.
Speaker 15: So you know, everyone other than most big renewable energy
Speaker 15: investors are going to be forced to pay for this.
Speaker 3: You make a really good point, Holly.
Speaker 2: I want to transition from wind power and renew to
Speaker 2: US if I can to golf, of all things. Two
Speaker 2: governing bodies, the Ladies' Professional Golf Association and the US
Speaker 2: Golf Association, have updated their guidelines so that men identifying
Speaker 2: as women need to have transitioned before they hit puberty
Speaker 2: in order to be eligible to compete in women's events. Now,
Speaker 2: I got to be honest, I don't understand this. Does
Speaker 2: that mean a man is a woman if he transitions
Speaker 2: before puberty, but he's not a woman if he transitions
Speaker 2: after puberty. That would mean gender is a fixed biological
Speaker 2: reality with puberty rather than chromosomes as the rule.
Speaker 5: Right, we have a whiteboard for a second, I've lost
Speaker 5: this already well, I.
Speaker 3: Mean most of the life.
Speaker 2: It's so hard to understand wholly this idea of measuring
Speaker 2: testosterone levels so that we're fair to women but still
Speaker 2: accepting of men who want to be women. It's just
Speaker 2: a cowards way of avoiding the obvious, which is banning
Speaker 2: biological men of any description from women's sport, full stop.
Speaker 14: Isn't it.
Speaker 13: It's part of the total obliteration of women in all
Speaker 13: their capabilities and special things that make us women. They're
Speaker 13: all trying to be overridden. But the reality is women
Speaker 13: do not want biologically carry the same sorts of physical
Speaker 13: strength as men do. Even the most unfit men do
Speaker 13: not are stronger in many ways than very many many
Speaker 13: fit women. It's just biological. But this is the thing.
Speaker 13: I'm not personally a supporter of puberty blockers to children preating.
Speaker 14: I think it's a very, very dangerous route to go to.
Speaker 13: Yet these sports are now saying they will only allow
Speaker 13: people to participate if they started their transition pre puberty,
Speaker 13: which is long before eighteen. But look, just as an aside,
Speaker 13: I played in the Commando Cup the other day tennis.
Speaker 13: Darren Chester was my partner. We were playing a couple
Speaker 13: of comadoes in mixed double. In tennis, we played golf, tennis, sevens.
Speaker 14: And rugby, touch and rugby.
Speaker 13: Sorry, and no one thought the greatest injury of the
Speaker 13: day would come from tennis, thank you very much, with
Speaker 13: a full body slam on the court that had nothing
Speaker 13: to do with men versus women, but just blind competitiveness.
Speaker 13: But you know this is the insanity or it I
Speaker 13: know I will never pay a sport at the same
Speaker 13: physical stream of a male and to try and put
Speaker 13: them up against us at any stage is just an
Speaker 13: insult and part of the eraser of women.
Speaker 2: Holly, you alluded to something really important that I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask you about, Jason. This ruling by the golf associations,
Speaker 2: doesn't it just almost risk encouraging people to transition younger,
Speaker 2: which of course has all sorts of problems associated Well.
Speaker 5: Only if a six society doesn't wake up to itself
Speaker 5: and realize that there's probably a better way to handle this,
Speaker 5: and that is to kind of encourage kids to give
Speaker 5: it a few more years to think about.
Speaker 1: Look, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 5: I think that's a byproduct of a decision that is
Speaker 5: part of a much bigger madness that's going on in society.
Speaker 5: I mean, the straight out thing here is that we
Speaker 5: fell off the rails here when we thought it was
Speaker 5: a wise thing to start encouraging and pushing children to it,
Speaker 5: when we start empowering school counselors to be able to
Speaker 5: work around parents and encourage children to explore these things
Speaker 5: as opposed to doing what society is kind of always
Speaker 5: quite well done, and that is try to sort things
Speaker 5: out inside families until they can't be sorted out. The
Speaker 5: moment you start to families out of the equation and
Speaker 5: traditional arrangements out of the equation, you end up in chaos.
Speaker 5: We are in chaos with this sort of thinking and
Speaker 5: the fact that we even have to be worried about
Speaker 5: the byproduct of doing something that's so damn logical letting
Speaker 5: little girls play against little girls and girls and women
Speaker 5: being able to play against women, and just know that's
Speaker 5: how it works.
Speaker 3: The moment you start.
Speaker 5: Screwing that thing up, you've really missed things up. And
Speaker 5: we are so close to that. And this is a
Speaker 5: little bit of common sense, logical stuff that's going.
Speaker 3: On Nowah, you're right.
Speaker 2: Hey, quickly, just in the time we've got left in Victoria,
Speaker 2: the state's most despised premier. Dan Andrews has been blacklisted
Speaker 2: from another pub.
Speaker 3: It's not the first time.
Speaker 2: It's also been blacklisted from golf courses and so on
Speaker 2: and so forth.
Speaker 3: Holly, I know a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Don't like Dan Andrews, but is this good that we
Speaker 2: start blacklisting politicians who we didn't agree with from general
Speaker 2: places in the community or do you think it's fair enough?
Speaker 14: Night, Look, aren't they building a statue to him? I
Speaker 14: thought Dan was getting a statue. I don't know. I
Speaker 14: thought it was all about iconography.
Speaker 13: And you know, there's a golden statue of Dan Andrews
Speaker 13: about to appear.
Speaker 14: Somewhere in Melbourne.
Speaker 13: Melbourne is a shadow of former self and it actually
Speaker 13: breaks my heart. I used to love going down to Melbourne,
Speaker 13: the lame ways, the activity, the things that were going
Speaker 13: on down there. It's died, and it died under Dan Andrews.
Speaker 13: But I'm not a big fan of the ban. It's
Speaker 13: not the way that I would normally go, but I
Speaker 13: think it is well within rights of businesses.
Speaker 15: He did everything he fundamentally could kill them off during
Speaker 15: COVID and he's unprecedented world shattering, record shattering lockdowns.
Speaker 13: If they don't want him in there, whatever, you know,
Speaker 13: stand up, he might catch a freaking cold or something.
Speaker 3: That's the argument that they're using.
Speaker 2: That he destroyed business, so why should he dine at
Speaker 2: their business.
Speaker 5: I want the statue so the pigeons can do what
Speaker 5: Australia has wanted to do to him for a while.
Speaker 1: Jason, We've got to move on. I appreciate you joining me.
Speaker 2: Coming up, Sleepy Joe lives up to his name as
Speaker 2: he meets with leaders in Africa and Donald Trump's pick
Speaker 2: for Defense Secretary Advice to Fight, vows to fight like
Speaker 2: hell to keep the job. As former Trump rival becomes
Speaker 2: favorite for the role. Kosher Gartera joins me in just
Speaker 2: a moment, welcome back.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Last week, President Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter Biden,
Speaker 2: who was facing jail time for gun and tax convictions.
Speaker 3: But not only.
Speaker 2: That, the pardon applied to any and all laws Hunter
Speaker 2: might have broken over the past ten years. And he
Speaker 2: did this after repeatedly promising that he wouldn't. No one
Speaker 2: of the Democrats, like Chuck Schumer, don't want to talk
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: Question, yes, do you agree with some.
Speaker 10: Of your Democrat college see that President Biden's part of
Speaker 10: Hunter Biden was wrong or unwise.
Speaker 6: It's a personal interest ahead of duty.
Speaker 3: I got nothing for you on that.
Speaker 2: Well, of course he doesn't want to say anything. It's
Speaker 2: impossible to defend the indefensible. Democrats were left to deal
Speaker 2: with the mess after Joe Biden issued the pardon and
Speaker 2: then fled the country. While awkward questions were being asked
Speaker 2: at home, Biden was en Goola meeting with African leaders
Speaker 2: and well, they don't call him Sleepy Joe for nothing.
Speaker 8: And it just through such much my shoes and innovations,
Speaker 8: Dutch Africa's agenda twenty six to three willn't be realized.
Speaker 6: I think mentor people would services.
Speaker 12: But we're also from Lord, shared prosperity and immulusive growth
Speaker 12: across the.
Speaker 2: Em What does it say about Joe Biden's usefulness that
Speaker 2: no one bothered to wake him up. Let's bring in
Speaker 2: Sky News contributor Kosher Garda Kosher. I know it must
Speaker 2: have been boring, but it couldn't have been that boring.
Speaker 16: He is bringing new life jeans into that moniker Sleepy Joe,
Speaker 16: which Trump came up with. It's really interesting they're forty
Speaker 16: seven days left. He still does hold the most powerful
Speaker 16: office in the land. On the one hand, it looks
Speaker 16: like he's just phoning it in, you know, hanging out
Speaker 16: at the beach, falling asleep and some tour in Africa
Speaker 16: at the last minute. On the other hand, he's actually
Speaker 16: wasting no time and seems to be using every last
Speaker 16: minute of his remaining forty seven days with the pardon.
Speaker 16: As you mentioned, there's talks of other preemptive pardons he
Speaker 16: might be doing. He's still pushing all sorts of aid
Speaker 16: packages to Ukraine and other hotspots that go against certainly
Speaker 16: the vision Trump has proposed. He's still nominating judges and
Speaker 16: getting them confirmed, working with the Senate. So there's a
Speaker 16: lot whether it's he or his handlers that are actually
Speaker 16: pushing through in the day's remaining. But on the surface
Speaker 16: at the same time you see this juxtaposition which is
Speaker 16: quite interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Koacher, I can't imagine he's pushing anything through
Speaker 2: at the moment.
Speaker 3: It must be his handlers.
Speaker 2: But you mentioned he's considering more pardons now. Politico has
Speaker 2: reported that they are considering issuing preemptive pardons to key
Speaker 2: figures like Anthony Fauci, Liz Cheney, Adam shift so that
Speaker 2: Trump can't come after them, since when we're preemptive pardons
Speaker 2: a thing I've never heard of that until just now,
Speaker 2: have you.
Speaker 16: No, you know, this is a boomerang effect of the
Speaker 16: law fare, now that infamous term that the Democrat apparatus
Speaker 16: really waged against Trump and his supporters. And we all
Speaker 16: know this, the ninety one counts and the felony counts
Speaker 16: and the four cases and the multiple indictments and all
Speaker 16: the rest of it, taking him off the ballot and
Speaker 16: everything else. His associates having sort of prison sentences for
Speaker 16: misdemeanors and all of that. They are concerned. And when
Speaker 16: you push the across the rubicon or push the overturn
Speaker 16: window that much the way they did, there will be
Speaker 16: turnabout that is fair play. And they are very worried
Speaker 16: that this new Trump and the second term is going
Speaker 16: to be a different man because of what he has
Speaker 16: been through, and he might go after prosecutions for people
Speaker 16: who did commit crimes were in the past, and they did,
Speaker 16: and whether it was Hillary Clinton or other people in
Speaker 16: the past. And I think this is now the land
Speaker 16: that we live event where the criminal justice system has
Speaker 16: just really been exploited so much, and these are just
Speaker 16: all the downstream effects of it. They fear turn about
Speaker 16: and therefore these preemptive pardons you might be a new thing.
Speaker 2: You Well, I would have thought a preemptive pardon is
Speaker 2: pretty much an admission of guilt, So it'll be very
Speaker 2: interesting to see how all that plays out. Kosher Garden.
Speaker 2: That's all I've got time for tonight, but thanks for
Speaker 2: joining me.
Speaker 3: Stick around.
Speaker 2: Coming up right now from the man Cave is the
Speaker 2: one and only Paul Murray