WEBVTT - Sharri | 5 December 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:05.200 Live on Sky News. This is Sharry. 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:08.559 Well, good evening and welcome to the show. I'm James 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.360 Macpherson filling in for Sharry. Coming up tonight. Labor busy 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:15.280 trying to put a good spin on yesterday's grim economic 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.080 news as a new poll released just hours ago shows 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:23.120 Peter Dutton on track to win the next election, an 0:00:23.280 --> 0:00:26.440 entire industry on a knife's edge as Tanya Plibasek pussyfoots 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:31.000 around another major decision in her environment portfolio and is 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:40.040 the answer to declining educational out and this declining educational 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.280 outcomes a return to old school teaching methods. The amazing 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:46.040 nap Plan results achieved by a group of Catholic schools 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.919 suggest that's the case. Kevin Donnelly will join me shortly, 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:53.920 and Jews targeted a game by protesters, this time outside 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:58.000 of major Sydney synagogue, with worshipers forced to barricade themselves 0:00:58.040 --> 0:01:01.440 inside their synagogue for their own safety. I'll have the 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:06.240 latest on that disgraceful episode with Alex Rivchen shortly. But 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:11.200 First Treasurer Jim Chalmers today publicly backed Anthony Elbanezi to 0:01:11.319 --> 0:01:14.920 continue leading the Labor Party if they win the next election, 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.319 and that public backing should ensure the Prime Minister enjoys 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:22.920 anything but a merry Christmas. Whenever your nearest political rival 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:27.120 is publicly backing you, it's a sign you're already in trouble. 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.880 I mean, if you weren't in trouble, there'd be no 0:01:29.959 --> 0:01:32.039 need for people to say that they back you. And 0:01:32.080 --> 0:01:34.440 if you are in trouble will your rivals are only 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.800 backing you until they're close enough to stab you in 0:01:36.800 --> 0:01:41.200 the back, which is why Albanzi's election catchphrase is all 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:46.119 sorts of wrong. And my government has always been focused 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:49.840 on making Australians lives better. The number one priority of 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:52.440 my government is to continue providing support. 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.480 My message is we have your back. 0:01:56.640 --> 0:02:00.200 Do you really believe Anthony Albanesi has your back or 0:02:00.200 --> 0:02:03.120 do you feel like Anthony Anthony Albanese needs to get 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:06.760 off your back along with Chris Bowen, Penny Wong, Andrew Giles, 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:09.120 Tanya Plipasek Ed Husick and Tony Burke. 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:10.840 That's a lot of monkeys. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:13.960 But back to my point, do you really think ALBINIZI 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:18.080 believes Jim Chalmers has his back? He's Jim Charmers on 0:02:18.200 --> 0:02:20.040 ABC Radio earlier today. 0:02:21.080 --> 0:02:24.359 My expectation, and my hope is if we do win 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:28.480 the election next year, that Anthony Albanezi serves the full 0:02:28.560 --> 0:02:30.760 term and runs again. That's what I would expect to happen. 0:02:32.200 --> 0:02:34.640 Okay, he expects and he hopes. 0:02:35.240 --> 0:02:38.240 He might have added wishes and praise that Albanezi will 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:42.760 be leader if they win the next election. Expect, hope, 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:47.239 if not exactly terms that fill you with confidence. Charmer's 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:51.960 unassuring reassurance came after the Age newspaper ran this headline, 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:56.239 if Albanezi wins the next election, he should celebrate, then 0:02:56.360 --> 0:03:00.720 step aside. Now bear in mind this isn't the evil papers, 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.400 this is the Melbourne Age. Nicky Sava wrote, and I 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:09.720 quote Albanezey succeeded brilliantly, certainly beyond his wildest imaginings and 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:13.840 that of his friends, to become leader then prime minister. 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:17.880 He should count his blessings then gracefully relinquish the job. 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.720 In other words, no one, not even his friends, ever 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.560 thought Albinezey was much of a leader, and they're still 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:25.840 amazed he's the prime minister. 0:03:26.480 --> 0:03:29.720 And that was the kind version. She went on to say. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:33.520 The more drastic view, which has been bubbling away inside 0:03:33.520 --> 0:03:36.680 the wider Labor family is that he's lost his mojo, 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:40.280 his judgment has deserted him and if he can't summon 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:42.720 the discipline to shape up, he should ship out before 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.400 the election to allow someone else to take on a 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:51.160 rampant Peter Dutton AlCH that's from the friendly media. So 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.600 there was Jim Chalmers on ABC Radio helping to pump 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:56.520 up his ailing leader's mojo. 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.160 But one of the things that we'll be taking to 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:01.800 the Australian people is a sense of stability, a sense 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.400 that we've got an economic plan. 0:04:05.920 --> 0:04:08.680 Oh my goodness, Labor is going to take a sense 0:04:08.880 --> 0:04:11.320 of stability to the Australian people. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:13.120 Where are they going to get that from? 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:15.960 Is he talking about the electricity grid that's not exactly 0:04:16.080 --> 0:04:19.120 stable at the moment. Maybe he's talking about interest rates. 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:23.400 They're pretty stable, as in immovably high. Immigration is also 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.200 stable at record numbers. Government spending is stable at record highs. 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:30.600 Forgive me, but things are terrible and we promise to 0:04:30.680 --> 0:04:31.440 keep it stable. 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:33.640 It's not exactly a winning pitch. 0:04:34.160 --> 0:04:37.279 Imagine an airline pilot telling passengers as they plummet towards 0:04:37.320 --> 0:04:39.560 the ground, we're going to crash but don't worry, as 0:04:39.560 --> 0:04:41.120 we plummet to the earth will be giving you a 0:04:41.160 --> 0:04:45.360 sense of stability as well as a sense of stability. 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.440 The Treasurer promise to PM would give Australians a sense 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.720 that we've got an economic plan, not a plan, a 0:04:51.800 --> 0:04:55.039 sense that they've got a plan. And then Jim Chalmers 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:57.919 generously gave all the credit for the sense of stability 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:01.240 and the sense of a plan to Anthony Albanezi, which 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.760 gives me the sense that Charmers has the PM's back 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:05.520 in the same way the PM has ours. 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.080 We're rolling that out in difficult times. We're helping people 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.680 where we can, and that's a tribute to Anthony's leadership. 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:14.200 Wonderful. 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.279 We're rolling out a sense of a plan in difficult 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.839 times and helping people, you know, where we can, and 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.880 it's all thanks to Anthony's leadership. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:23.799 Very helpful, Jim Charmers. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.400 I certainly anticipate and expect and hope that if we 0:05:28.480 --> 0:05:31.320 win the next election that Anthony will be around for 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:32.200 as long as possible. 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.680 Anthony Albanesi has been in the lodge two and a 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.800 half years and he's already run out of gas, a 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.920 bit like the country. Actually a report out today by 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:46.880 Frontier Economics predicted residential gas customers would face price rises 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:49.320 of up to two hundred and ninety dollars because supply 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:53.119 of gas is so short. That comes after yesterday's warning 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:57.320 by Manufacturing Australia that looming gas shortage threatens tens of 0:05:57.400 --> 0:05:58.640 thousands of jobs. 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.039 It's so bad we're now getting to. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:03.680 The point where we can't afford to even make bricks 0:06:03.920 --> 0:06:07.520 in this country. Australia's number one home builder, Metricons, said 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.400 the cost of making bricks, which like the manufacture of 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:14.200 most things, requires gas, has gone up two hundred percent 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.400 in the past six years, and that's making houses more expensive, 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:21.200 which is making the housing crisis a greater crisis, which 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.000 is why we need a little more than a sense 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:26.000 that the government has a plan. According to the Australian 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.679 Bureau of Statistics, building costs are now on average thirty 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:33.400 five percent higher than in twenty nineteen, and the major 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.839 cause of that is high energy costs. But of course 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.440 here's the crazy thing. The gas shortage that threatens to 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.840 cripple and already hobbled economy is not a gas shortage 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.160 at all. It's a refusal on the part of the 0:06:46.200 --> 0:06:50.479 government to access the abundance of gas right beneath our feet. 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.200 The government's decided that gas is evil, too many emissions, 0:06:54.640 --> 0:06:57.400 and so we can't access any more of it. Seventy 0:06:57.440 --> 0:06:59.880 percent of what we do access is sold over sea, 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:05.120 leaving the domestic market hopelessly short. But instead of opening 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:09.440 new gas fields can't do that emissions. We export gas 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:12.240 overseas and then pay to import it back at a 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.480 higher price than we sold it. 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:18.239 Call it elbanomics. And by the time we bring. 0:07:18.080 --> 0:07:20.800 Back to Australia what we've shipped out of Australia, what 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:24.000 do you think has happened to emissions? We've created more 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.840 than we otherwise would have. So it's a whole lot 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:31.200 of pain for absolutely zero gain. If you're getting a 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.760 sense that the government's plan makes no sense, then that's 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:36.920 not the sense Jim Chalmers intended. 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:38.800 But your senses are good. 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:44.160 Having demonized call disparaged gas and discredited nuclear, here's the plan. 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:49.400 Canberra's trial shows evs can provide backup power to grid 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.840 in blackouts and emergencies. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:55.160 That's right. We can power Australia by. 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:59.600 Getting motorists to donate unused electricity from their Tesla's Now 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.040 you know Jim Chalmers says they have a sense of 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.920 a plan because that sure ain't an actual plan. 0:08:05.880 --> 0:08:06.520 Here's a plan. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:11.679 I will end a devastating infleetion crisis, immediately bring down 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.080 interest rates and lower the cost of energy. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:18.640 We will drill, baby drill. 0:08:18.880 --> 0:08:21.920 Peter Dutton should drill, baby drill. That should be his 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.120 election catchphrase. Would you vote for Elbow to have you 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:29.240 back or for Dutton to drill baby drill. He made 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.080 a good move today pledging to scrap the government's planned 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.800 Port Stephens offshore wind farm if elected. 0:08:36.160 --> 0:08:40.560 Our economy can't function on intermittent part time power. We 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.920 need strong base slow power. Anthony ORBERNEI is about an 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:48.800 ideological pursuit of one hundred percent renewables in the system, 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.560 which will drive up the power prices of ordinary Australians. 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:57.280 Well, that's a really good start. Next, pledge to scrap 0:08:57.320 --> 0:08:59.480 the bands on accessing our abundant. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:00.560 Resources of natural gas. 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:05.079 Then pledge to restart coul fired power stations until nuclear 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.920 power is ready. Do that and everyone will be happy. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.800 Australians will have cheap, reliable energy. Peter Dutton will be 0:09:12.840 --> 0:09:15.480 in the lodge Anthony Albanezi will be enjoying retirement in 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:18.240 his four million dollar beach side mansion. It's on a 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.480 cliff top, so he'll be safe from sea levels that 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.200 will be warned will rise the moment Dutton takes office 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:26.200 and Jim Charmers will lead the Labor opposition from where 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.440 he can continue his political career, but without damaging the 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:33.199 country any further. Now that's a plan that makes sense. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.280 Let's hope Peter Dutton is sensible enough to do it. 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:40.800 Well. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:44.040 Treasurer Jim Chalmers is working hard to spin some positive 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:48.360 pr out of yesterday's grim economic data after the Coalition 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.959 slammed Labour's record spending, which is driving inflation and keeping 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.160 interest rates high. 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.720 Here's Peter Dutton, families are going backwards under this government. 0:09:58.320 --> 0:10:01.560 Inflation remains high and therefore interest rates will stay higher 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:02.080 for longer. 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:03.319 Why. 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.640 Well, the Reserve Bank Governor has made it very clear. 0:10:05.679 --> 0:10:08.760 The government continues to spend money in a wasteful way 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:11.960 and that's holding up inflation for longer. And that's why 0:10:12.000 --> 0:10:13.600 interest rates will stay higher for longer. 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.720 And here's the Treasure's measured sensible reply. 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:21.679 So we get a lot of free advice from our 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.960 political opponents and from their sicker fans and suck ups, 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:27.840 that we should have some kind of slash and burn 0:10:27.920 --> 0:10:31.120 budget with radical austerity. That's a recipe for a session. 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.920 That sounded to me like a man under pressure. Not 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.720 as much pressure as Anthony Albanezi, mind you, and not 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:39.719 as much pressure as every day ossie's trying to pay 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:43.720 their bills. But that was a tetchy response. Let's bring 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.440 in a very relaxed and calm Perth Mayre Basil's emplas 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:52.200 and LNP MP Andrew Wallace Basil Jim Chalmers has promised 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.160 the mid year budget won't be a major cash splash. 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:58.520 But what happens to our already weak GDP figures if 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.960 we don't have the government's wreck spending to keep propping 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:02.520 us up. 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:05.840 Well we know where that'd be, don't we. And he's 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:09.319 getting cranky, the Treasurer. And cranky means and he's normally 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:13.480 pretty mild mannered. That means all is not well, or 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:17.920 certainly the attention that he is under an Australia's financial position. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.320 He is bearing the brunt of responsibility for it as 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:21.800 he should. 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:23.280 He is the federal Treasurer. 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:23.760 We know that. 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.960 Productivity is down. We know that Australian's standards of living 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:29.160 have fallen off a cliff. 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:31.040 We know that household bills have. 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.000 Gone up, and we know that the Australian federal public 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.600 service has grown by around about twenty five thousand people 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:42.200 in Labour's period. So this spending is not the right 0:11:42.280 --> 0:11:45.800 way to address the Australian economy, and sooner or later 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:49.240 it is going to become a major problem. 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:50.960 It's already at that point. 0:11:51.160 --> 0:11:54.280 And frankly, if they're the sorts of responses that the 0:11:54.360 --> 0:11:59.080 Treasurer is giving to sensible, well meaning questions, well perhaps 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:01.280 it suggests he's out of answers. 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.120 Yeah, it certainly suggests he's out of his depth. Andrew. 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.320 The only sector of the economy that's growing is the 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.520 public sector. Has Basil pointed out, the Commonwealth public services 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:15.200 grown by twenty six thousand permanent staff since Labor came 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:18.200 to power. The Commonwealth now has three hundred and sixty 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:22.280 five thousand employees with an annual wages bill of thirty 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.280 seven billion dollars and guests who pays for that? If 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:28.040 you guessed you and I you'd be correct. This government 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.600 is building bureaucracy while business just dwindles, isn't it. 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:35.600 Let's right, James, and thanks for having me on. Of 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:39.400 course this is true to form for all labor governments 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:45.320 who always believe in big spending, big bloadd bureaucracy. We 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:50.520 have had an explosion of public servants working in Canberra, 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.960 and of course we've had more than a million immigrants 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.679 coming into the country and really that's the only thing 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.439 that has kept the economy on life support rather than 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:05.640 being a stone motherlers dead. But when I get around 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.760 and talk to people in my electorate and everywhere else 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:13.360 in Australia apart from Canberra, people are doing it very, very, 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.800 very tough. The cost of living on families has been 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:22.480 so incredibly significant with now the National Account figures that 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.160 were released just a couple of days ago identified now 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:31.040 seven consecutive quarters of negative growth. It's the longest period 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:39.560 in Australian history of negative growth for households and it 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:43.120 really just demonstrates how tough people are doing. But if 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.960 people are in small business, they're getting a double wham 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:50.440 because not only have their cost of living significantly gone up, 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:55.880 but the cost of doing business for small business gas electricity, insurance, 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.120 they've all gone skyrocketing as well. 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.120 Yeah, well I got problems everywhere. 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:03.160 Who would have imagined back in twenty twenty two that 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.960 labor might be a one term government and the part 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:07.680 of the reason for that would be, can you believe it? 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:08.280 Salmon? 0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:11.520 Labor heavyweights have worn the Prime Minister that if they 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.720 shut down salmon farming in Tasmania to save the Manguin 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:18.000 skates so beloved by inner city Greens, they won't have 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:20.400 an office to return to after the election. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:21.440 Basil. 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:23.360 It's not like the PM doesn't have enough on his 0:14:23.440 --> 0:14:26.360 plate right now without adding salmon, of all things to it. 0:14:28.640 --> 0:14:30.000 Haven't got many, right have they? 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:32.760 And there must be some soul searching, even if it's 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:36.720 not audible, or even if it's not conversations that they're 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:40.600 having allowed, they must wonder to themselves, how did we 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.160 get from where we were nearly three years ago to 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:47.440 this point where we're hanging in by a thread and 0:14:47.600 --> 0:14:50.280 the latest opinion polls we know what they're suggesting. I 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.240 think there's been such a contrast in styles from the leaders. 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.560 We know that Peter Dutton have said this many times. 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.440 Not trying to win a popularity contest, trying to win 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:04.480 an a let and his philosophy about achieving that has 0:15:04.560 --> 0:15:07.680 been stand for what you stand for, make it clear, 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:12.600 be big and bold and let the Australian people make 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:15.800 their choice. And by contrast, the Prime Minister has been 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:18.640 flimsy and wishy was She been on some positions, been 0:15:18.720 --> 0:15:22.360 off others and hasn't been able to get one to stick. 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.720 So there is a clear contrast. We're going to have 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.520 an election in the first half of next year and 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.680 right now Peter Dutton really starting to look like a winner. 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:35.840 Andrew Environment Minister Tanya Plibersek isn't exactly helping. She's made 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.920 a mess of the mcphillamy gold decision and now she's 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.520 making a mess of Tasmania's salmon industry. She's put off 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:45.200 for decision about the industry until after the election, leaving 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:47.960 more than five thousand people who rely on the industry 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.400 for their livelihoods in limbo. I mean you just can't 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.240 lead like that. In fact, that's not leadership at all. 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:58.480 No, absolutely, and I agree with all the comments that 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.200 have been said tonight. So are you know those five 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:05.640 one hundred workers that stand to lose their jobs in 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:10.080 Tasmania and the salmon industry. And you've got Tanya Plubisek 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:14.600 who is consistently trying to appeal to the inner city 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:19.000 elites in Melbourne and Sydney and really not looking after 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.400 and also in my electorate as well, the fishing industry. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.920 That the damage that she's caused in my electric in 0:16:26.000 --> 0:16:31.200 fisher Weather, the largest wild court tuna fishery on the 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:34.080 eastern seaboard of Australia, and she has locked up so 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:39.000 much of the fishing grounds that we're seeing unprecedented numbers 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:42.080 of boats that are no longer going to see because 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.080 it's just not viable for them anymore. So it's not 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:49.120 just salmon in Tazzi, it's also tuna around the East 0:16:49.360 --> 0:16:51.560 coast of Australia and that's because of Tanya. 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:52.760 Put seat well Andrew. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.920 With all of this, it should come as no surprise, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:58.040 or maybe it does. I don't know that polling released 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.760 just a couple of hours ago has Peter Dutton on 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:03.840 track to win the election next year. The Redbridge poll, 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:06.240 released just as I said a couple of hours ago 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:09.760 in news Court Papers, projects the Coalition ahead in sixty 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:13.400 four seats, ahead of Labour on fifty nine, with fourteen 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:15.720 seats remaining too close to call. 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:16.840 Basil. 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.840 I remember when the experts used to assure themselves that 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.119 Peter Dutton was unelectable. Is this a case of cometh 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.280 the hour, cometh the man, because all of a sudden 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:27.320 Peter Dutton's got his nose in front. 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.200 It feels that way, doesn't it. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:36.000 And you know, I think often in observing Australian politics, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.879 no opposition leader ever really looks like a premier or 0:17:38.920 --> 0:17:42.360 a prime minister. But then when they are, they quickly 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:45.400 bed in. And I think that's the relationship that Peter 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:48.639 Dutton is enjoying with the Australian population at the moment. 0:17:48.760 --> 0:17:50.600 I mean, they see him for what he is. He 0:17:50.600 --> 0:17:53.840 doesn't try and be something that he's not. He makes 0:17:53.840 --> 0:17:56.520 his agenda and his philosophy is very clear. 0:17:56.880 --> 0:17:58.000 He sticks to. 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:02.720 Them and he has given the sort of conviction leadership 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.120 forward as an option for the Australian public that they 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:07.160 are looking for. 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.400 And when you contrast Anthony. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:12.080 Albanese's style over the last three years, nice enough, fellow, 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:12.639 good bloke. 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.720 I think he is a genuinely good bloke. 0:18:14.800 --> 0:18:18.320 I think he's a good, honest, decent Australian. But he 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:22.160 hasn't got the politics right in this three year term. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:26.720 And by contrast, the option that Peter Dutton has put 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:30.600 forward strong, bold, this is what I stand for. People 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:32.960 have a choice and at the moment I'm not surprised 0:18:32.960 --> 0:18:34.520 to see the polls leaning his way. 0:18:35.280 --> 0:18:36.600 Neil Andrew just quickly. 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.479 Labor have said that at the next election they're going 0:18:39.520 --> 0:18:44.280 to target Peter Dutton's quote unquote unlikability. But it's the 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:46.679 shine that seems to have come off elbow that's the 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:47.600 real problem, isn't it. 0:18:49.560 --> 0:18:53.359 Yeah, Look, I think Peter is appealing to people because 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:56.560 of his strength. I think that the Australian people are 0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:58.760 looking for strong leadership right now. 0:18:58.800 --> 0:18:59.720 What they've seen. 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.080 Over the last two and a half years with the 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:08.080 Prime Minister has been utter ineffective, weakness and the way 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:11.800 that he has been totally distracted on things like the 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:16.080 voice when average Australians and small business is doing it 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:19.640 so tough with the cost of living. They haven't concentrated 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:25.160 on basics like getting the fundamentals right, trying to assist 0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:28.320 our economy. Our economy is going backwards at a great 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.200 rate of knots. People are doing it tough and people 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:35.800 are comparing the weakness of Anthony Albanesi with the strength. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:36.320 Of Peter Dutton. 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.399 Look, I don't want to come out this early in 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.920 the blocks and say that you know we're going to 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:45.080 win the next election. I'm not going to say that 0:19:45.200 --> 0:19:48.640 because it's a herculean task that waits ahead of us. 0:19:49.560 --> 0:19:52.920 We has only ever been one term one one term 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.520 government in Australian political history at a federal level, and 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:57.720 that was back in nineteen thirty one. We need to 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:00.840 win twenty one seats to win you're already government. So 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:05.000 it's a herculean task and Peter Dutton is up to 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.080 the job as and we will support him every step 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:08.440 of the way. 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:10.840 He's certainly making all the right moves at the moment. 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.679 Basil Andrew, appreciate your time tonight, Thank you well. Catholic 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.960 schools in the Act captured national attention this week after 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:22.919 they achieved remarkable results in this year's napland tests. And 0:20:23.000 --> 0:20:27.480 guess how they achieved top results. They went old school. 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.560 The Catholics ditched the modern education fetish of student led learning, 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:34.320 whatever that means, and they got teachers to actually teach, 0:20:34.720 --> 0:20:37.399 and they got kids to repeat key concepts over and 0:20:37.480 --> 0:20:40.560 over and over again until they were certain they had 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:41.160 learned them. 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:42.800 Fancy that and it worked. 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:47.320 Teachers teaching kids learning and concepts being committed to memory. 0:20:47.560 --> 0:20:50.800 What a revolutionary idea, and that, of course is the problem, 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.080 isn't it. It is revolutionary, but it shouldn't be, but 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:58.240 it is to discuss. I'm joined by author Kevin Donnelly. Kevin, 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.520 thanks for your time tonight. Just before we get into 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:03.280 all of this, tell us about these schools and how 0:21:03.320 --> 0:21:06.280 well they did, because the turnaround for some of them 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:08.760 was quite dramatic, wasn't it. 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.120 It is very much James. And when you look at 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:16.760 the schools, the Catholic schools in the Act, but other 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:21.159 schools in Melbourne, Sydney, Perth, Adelaide, those primary schools in 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:25.119 particular where you really do have to learn the basics 0:21:25.160 --> 0:21:29.600 in terms of reading. What they've done over the last 0:21:29.680 --> 0:21:33.359 five ten years, a lot of them is to get 0:21:33.440 --> 0:21:38.280 rid of this progressive New Age approach to reading called 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.520 look and guess, where it's all about pretty well making 0:21:42.560 --> 0:21:47.440 it up. And these more successful schools have gone back 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:51.000 to what in the old days were called phonics and 0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:56.200 phonemic awareness, which is about learning the structure of the alphabet, 0:21:56.720 --> 0:22:01.800 learning about particular words, found them out in terms of 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.919 valves and consonance, and how to put that together, so 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:10.080