WEBVTT - 4. Popa Has Been Killed! 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:07.801 Appoche production. 0:00:10.161 --> 0:00:13.521 Or she realizes that she's got to do it now 0:00:13.641 --> 0:00:16.761 or ever, and she stabs him. 0:00:16.801 --> 0:00:20.241 Brittany Dwyer is currently serving a life sentence with a 0:00:20.281 --> 0:00:23.881 minimum twenty years jail for stabbing her granddad to death, 0:00:24.681 --> 0:00:27.961 who co accused Bernadette Burns is also in jail for 0:00:28.081 --> 0:00:31.081 life with a minimum of thirteen and a half years. 0:00:31.681 --> 0:00:34.361 In episode three, you heard Brittany who traveled down to 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:38.681 her granddad's house in Adelaide from Brisbane. Her accomplice in, Bernadette, 0:00:38.721 --> 0:00:41.840 is in the car egging her on, telling her to 0:00:41.881 --> 0:00:45.761 harden up. When she has second thoughts after having breakfast 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:48.481 with her papa and then going through old photos and 0:00:48.480 --> 0:00:53.121 reliving memories, she says she needs to leave, and as 0:00:53.161 --> 0:00:55.840 her eighty one year old granddad walks her down to 0:00:55.921 --> 0:00:59.641 the front door, she pulls a knife from her sleeve 0:01:00.401 --> 0:01:01.841 and stabs him in the neck. 0:01:02.361 --> 0:01:03.241 A couple of times. 0:01:03.241 --> 0:01:05.841 From what I understand, it was like a butcher's no, 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:09.680 this is a night she's had up her sleeve. 0:01:09.881 --> 0:01:10.880 Yeah, for the whole. 0:01:10.801 --> 0:01:14.001 Duration of the breakfast and they're reminiscing about family. Yeah, 0:01:14.401 --> 0:01:17.601 you know what happens next because of not just what 0:01:18.041 --> 0:01:22.961 was told in court, but equally your letters between you 0:01:23.041 --> 0:01:25.560 and Brittany over the time that she's been in jail. 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:34.521 Yeah, what happened. She felt a bit remorseful. He sort 0:01:34.521 --> 0:01:39.521 of stumbled back and asked her why she'd done it, 0:01:40.920 --> 0:01:44.121 and I think in the state of shock, he sort 0:01:44.121 --> 0:01:49.041 of stumbling around a little bit. She then takes him 0:01:49.041 --> 0:01:52.961 into the kitchen where the dining table is at and 0:01:54.081 --> 0:01:57.881 pulls up a chair and sits him down, And she 0:01:57.961 --> 0:02:01.361 went and got a band aid for him to cover 0:02:01.921 --> 0:02:03.161 one of the cuts. 0:02:03.441 --> 0:02:04.121 A band aid. 0:02:04.281 --> 0:02:07.520 A band aid which isn't going to do very much. 0:02:08.641 --> 0:02:13.921 I'm guessing the knife wound is very deep, and so 0:02:14.001 --> 0:02:15.000 she gets him a band aid. 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:19.361 She gets some a band aid, and I think that's 0:02:19.441 --> 0:02:22.521 where there was a bit of a reflection of I 0:02:22.520 --> 0:02:27.241 think remorse. But you know, it had already been done. 0:02:27.641 --> 0:02:30.721 Her granddad didn't die instantly. No, what did he say 0:02:30.721 --> 0:02:33.721 to Brittany, She's told you this in a letter, since 0:02:33.881 --> 0:02:34.680 I believe. 0:02:36.121 --> 0:02:39.641 That, you know, she didn't need to do this, you 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:44.441 know that, you know he struggled to understand, you know, 0:02:44.481 --> 0:02:49.481 why why she would even do this. But she couldn't, 0:02:49.721 --> 0:02:53.041 She couldn't sort of banter watch. So she turned around 0:02:53.121 --> 0:02:57.281 and why he was bleeding out. She did the dishes. 0:03:02.161 --> 0:03:03.520 Did she text Bernadette? 0:03:03.561 --> 0:03:06.721 She did as soon as he had passed away. 0:03:07.401 --> 0:03:08.961 So she waited until he died. 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:12.601 The whole time. Yeah, she stood in the kitchen and waited, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:20.400 and then she sent a text message today it's done. 0:03:21.161 --> 0:03:26.800 Once that had happened, Bernadette had come in and they 0:03:26.881 --> 0:03:33.680 essentially ransacked, well I use that loosely, but they went 0:03:33.761 --> 0:03:40.521 through the house and again, being the photographer that my 0:03:40.521 --> 0:03:43.401 grandfather was, he had a lot of cameras and she 0:03:43.441 --> 0:03:46.921 had taken some of those cameras and she couldn't find 0:03:46.921 --> 0:03:51.881 the money anywhere, and so he had one thousand dollars 0:03:51.881 --> 0:03:58.961 in his wallet. She took that and I think a 0:03:59.001 --> 0:04:02.681 couple of other bits and pieces, but then then left. 0:04:03.921 --> 0:04:09.321 Then they leave because it was winter. The heater was 0:04:09.321 --> 0:04:13.321 on and they left that running, and so he was 0:04:13.681 --> 0:04:22.201 there on that chair when they left, and he sat 0:04:22.241 --> 0:04:23.161 there for quite some time. 0:04:26.361 --> 0:04:29.121 Ryan's memory of where his granddad was stabbed and how 0:04:29.161 --> 0:04:33.400 many times is different to what the autopsy showed. Britney 0:04:33.401 --> 0:04:36.440 stabbed her grandad four times, mostly in the neck and 0:04:36.481 --> 0:04:39.601 once in the chest. That was the fatal wound. It 0:04:39.641 --> 0:04:41.841 would cause him to bleed out in the kitchen chair 0:04:42.241 --> 0:04:44.841 that Britney placed him on. Robert sat dead in that 0:04:45.001 --> 0:04:48.161 chair for three days. It was only his neighbors that 0:04:48.281 --> 0:04:51.561 raised the alarm when they thought something was strange over 0:04:51.601 --> 0:04:54.200 at his house. Someone realized something was up. 0:04:54.681 --> 0:05:00.880 They again, with him being so meticulous in a routine 0:05:00.921 --> 0:05:07.041 all the time, they started noticing that the Saturday newspaper 0:05:07.681 --> 0:05:11.400 hadn't been picked up, and that the electric shutters, which 0:05:12.361 --> 0:05:17.361 particularly on his bedroom, he would raise half a meter 0:05:18.121 --> 0:05:21.801 every single day, but then in the evening they would drop, 0:05:23.041 --> 0:05:24.801 and then again in the morning they'd go up. And 0:05:24.801 --> 0:05:26.921 they had noticed that they'd been in the same place 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:32.400 in that half state. But normally it wouldn't be exact, 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:35.200 you know, it wouldn't be like it. It was a 0:05:35.281 --> 0:05:38.121 set button. He had to stop it in order for 0:05:38.161 --> 0:05:41.441 it to sort of stop halfway. And so they noticed 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.921 that it had been in the exact same spot for 0:05:44.001 --> 0:05:47.921 Saturday and Sunday, and it wasn't until Monday came that 0:05:48.001 --> 0:05:50.361 the newspaper from Saturday was still there, and there was 0:05:50.401 --> 0:05:53.121 another newspaper there now on Monday, and he got up 0:05:53.201 --> 0:05:57.720 quite early and would normally go and get it. Binins 0:05:57.721 --> 0:06:02.041 were out and he used to bring the bins in 0:06:02.561 --> 0:06:05.241 for like the whole end of the culder sack to 0:06:05.281 --> 0:06:07.201 take them all in for the neighbors, and they were 0:06:07.241 --> 0:06:12.161 still out. And so the neighbor that noticed that is 0:06:12.201 --> 0:06:16.320 actually an ambulance driver, went to the next door neighbors 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:19.080 and said, I think there's something wrong with Bob and 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:21.760 we need to go over and have a look. And 0:06:21.801 --> 0:06:25.841 so they went over that that same morning on the Monday. 0:06:26.121 --> 0:06:29.041 They went to the front door and the door was 0:06:29.361 --> 0:06:35.320 opened locked, not a jar. The screen door had closed, 0:06:35.361 --> 0:06:39.880 but the main wooden door was open and just open fully, 0:06:40.161 --> 0:06:42.640 and there was a pull of blood at the door 0:06:42.801 --> 0:06:46.761 at the entrance, and so they went in and they 0:06:46.761 --> 0:06:49.961 were calling out for him and no answer. And as 0:06:50.001 --> 0:06:53.041 they sort of went towards the end of the hallway, 0:06:53.641 --> 0:06:57.161 they saw him on the chair in the kitchen in 0:06:57.201 --> 0:07:00.281 a state of what would happen with the heater being 0:07:00.361 --> 0:07:05.400 left on and what that does to a body. You know, 0:07:05.721 --> 0:07:10.881 as a family, I think we're really really thankful that, 0:07:11.121 --> 0:07:14.161 you know, they were so willing to do that and 0:07:14.201 --> 0:07:17.401 look out for my grandfather and to see blood at 0:07:17.441 --> 0:07:21.761 the front door. Most people would probably stop and to 0:07:21.841 --> 0:07:25.441 sort of go in and see him like that. You know, 0:07:25.641 --> 0:07:29.921 I wouldn't want to wish that upon anybody, my worst enemies. 0:07:30.281 --> 0:07:32.481 That would be an image that would just be stuck 0:07:32.521 --> 0:07:35.361 to you. And I think about if I was in 0:07:35.401 --> 0:07:38.961 their shoes, having to see my grandfather like that. I 0:07:39.521 --> 0:07:43.081 honestly don't think I would be able to comprehend and 0:07:43.321 --> 0:07:46.241 ever sort of move past it. So for them to, 0:07:46.641 --> 0:07:49.281 I guess, do that for us. So I think, you know, 0:07:49.521 --> 0:07:52.441 I would be forever like forever in their dead, forever grateful. 0:07:52.641 --> 0:07:55.841 But yet then they obviously alerted the police when they 0:07:55.841 --> 0:07:56.161 found it. 0:08:02.601 --> 0:08:05.121 Ryan's mum and him are back in Brisbane on that 0:08:05.161 --> 0:08:08.161 Monday morning. They have no idea on what's about to 0:08:08.241 --> 0:08:12.601 happen and how it will tear a family apart. They 0:08:12.641 --> 0:08:15.721 think that Brittany's at home in Brisbane, but she's not. 0:08:16.601 --> 0:08:19.961 After stabbing Robert to death, she and her co accused 0:08:19.961 --> 0:08:22.321 get back in the car and start the drive for 0:08:22.361 --> 0:08:24.081 twenty four hours back to Brisbane. 0:08:26.081 --> 0:08:29.401 I was getting ready for work. I had woken up 0:08:29.441 --> 0:08:33.001 at seven to a text message from my mother, who's 0:08:33.041 --> 0:08:35.201 sent it probably about an hour earlier, going when you 0:08:35.241 --> 0:08:38.001 wake up, can you call me? I never get text 0:08:38.041 --> 0:08:41.441 messages like that so I knew immediately something was wrong. 0:08:41.641 --> 0:08:45.321 So I called her and her voice was very shaky, 0:08:45.681 --> 0:08:49.801 and she said, Papa has died. And I sort of 0:08:49.801 --> 0:08:53.481 thought to myself in that time, Okay, he years older. 0:08:54.081 --> 0:08:57.681 He just not long ago had his eightieth birthday, and 0:08:57.761 --> 0:09:01.961 so I'm like, okay, all right, I'm sad, but I'm 0:09:02.001 --> 0:09:08.281 not devastated at this point. Then she said the police 0:09:08.281 --> 0:09:16.001 have called me and he's been found with stab wounds. 0:09:16.921 --> 0:09:21.081 And I just remember like this wave of anger coming 0:09:21.121 --> 0:09:23.681 over me at that point, and I remember saying to 0:09:23.721 --> 0:09:29.881 my mom, like, what the actual who would stab an 0:09:29.881 --> 0:09:35.001 old man? And Mum said to me, you know, and 0:09:35.041 --> 0:09:39.401 I then I burst into tears. And I remember my 0:09:39.441 --> 0:09:42.121 partner at the time coming in, going like what has happened? 0:09:43.121 --> 0:09:46.041 And he obviously heard me say who would stab an 0:09:46.041 --> 0:09:51.161 old man? And then she goes, look, they don't know 0:09:51.801 --> 0:09:56.961 what it could be. They said it could be self harm, 0:09:57.081 --> 0:10:00.201 or it could be a robbery that's gone wrong. The 0:10:00.281 --> 0:10:04.201 detectives at the time, we didn't realize. I look back 0:10:04.241 --> 0:10:06.801 now and it sort of makes sense, but they really, 0:10:07.401 --> 0:10:11.041 you know, I used the analogy, treated us like mushrooms, 0:10:11.121 --> 0:10:12.881 kept us in the dark, and fed our ship like, 0:10:13.121 --> 0:10:16.601 just really didn't want to tell us a lot. And 0:10:16.681 --> 0:10:20.121 I get that now, but at the time it's infuriating. 0:10:20.441 --> 0:10:22.921 And every time we found out information it was because 0:10:22.921 --> 0:10:25.841 of the media. We were never told first, which I 0:10:25.881 --> 0:10:27.121 think is incredibly wrong. 0:10:27.561 --> 0:10:30.521 An elderly man has been stabbed to anyone who witnessed 0:10:30.521 --> 0:10:37.961 this assault, police amation that could assist police. 0:10:41.401 --> 0:10:45.641 So we get told that these costabe wounds. And immediately 0:10:45.721 --> 0:10:47.561 I said, there's just no way that he would have 0:10:47.601 --> 0:10:50.881 done it himself, because again he was so tidy and 0:10:51.001 --> 0:10:53.841 so meticulous. He would have just taken pills and laid down, 0:10:54.401 --> 0:10:57.361 you know. And I said, how was the house? And 0:10:57.401 --> 0:10:59.521 then my mum said about the blood. I said, so 0:10:59.561 --> 0:11:05.721 there was no pilot, paperwork, letter will And she's like no, 0:11:05.841 --> 0:11:08.761 And I'm like, yeah, he didn't do this, There's no way. 0:11:09.321 --> 0:11:13.241 Did you have any thoughts at that time who would 0:11:13.241 --> 0:11:17.641 have done it? Or do you think it's a random robbery? 0:11:17.841 --> 0:11:22.321 Yes? I had immediately jumped to a conclusion, and I 0:11:22.441 --> 0:11:23.681 thought I knew. 0:11:23.481 --> 0:11:26.161 Who it was, but that wasn't your sister. 0:11:26.201 --> 0:11:28.281 You were thinking, no, it was not my sister. 0:11:29.961 --> 0:11:31.721 Did you ever think it would have been your sister? 0:11:32.041 --> 0:11:37.881 No? Never, no way, No, there's just no way. 0:11:38.001 --> 0:11:39.121 What about your mom? 0:11:39.361 --> 0:11:42.521 No, no, no way. 0:11:43.361 --> 0:11:46.001 Just not even in the realms of possibility. 0:11:46.241 --> 0:11:51.281 Nope, that thought didn't even cross my mind, not at all. 0:11:53.121 --> 0:11:55.161 Who called your sister to tell her about your poh? 0:11:56.001 --> 0:12:02.681 My mom? So she had already called her before I 0:12:02.721 --> 0:12:06.881 spoke to my mom, and she said, your grandfather has died. 0:12:07.081 --> 0:12:12.121 And before my mother could even say anymore, my sister 0:12:12.201 --> 0:12:16.201 burst into hysterics on the phone, absolutely broke down, and 0:12:16.841 --> 0:12:19.721 my mom sort of changed pace and sort of went, 0:12:20.401 --> 0:12:23.121 I need you to come with me to Adlaide. I 0:12:23.201 --> 0:12:29.401 need yours and Ryan's support. And she said yes, Mom, 0:12:29.441 --> 0:12:33.161 like I'll do anything you need. I'm a few hours away, 0:12:33.201 --> 0:12:36.081 but I can be at your house. And she said, well, 0:12:36.081 --> 0:12:38.521 we're gonna We're going to fly out from Brisbane to 0:12:38.521 --> 0:12:39.001 the airport. 0:12:45.801 --> 0:12:49.721 She's driving back to Brisbane in a Silver Captiva, which 0:12:49.761 --> 0:12:53.761 is not her car or Bernadette's car. It belonged to 0:12:53.761 --> 0:12:57.401 someone at the sharehouse who will become a crucial witness. 0:13:00.081 --> 0:13:04.881 That phone call was super important in the police investigation, 0:13:05.081 --> 0:13:08.561 which you only found out later, which was they were 0:13:08.561 --> 0:13:11.641 able to ping her phone and track pretty much where 0:13:11.641 --> 0:13:14.321 her phone had been on both that journey and the 0:13:14.361 --> 0:13:16.561 prior journey was yeah, mis Shelby. 0:13:16.801 --> 0:13:22.121 Yeah, it started to piece together when my mum actually 0:13:22.161 --> 0:13:26.241 made the call and she answered. They were able to 0:13:26.321 --> 0:13:31.401 track through multiple cell stations that while they're on the phone, 0:13:31.481 --> 0:13:36.481 they were moving up the highway. 0:13:37.081 --> 0:13:41.961 So police are obviously investigating this as it's happening. In 0:13:42.081 --> 0:13:47.081 police a line of investigation like this, from our previous experience, 0:13:47.161 --> 0:13:52.161 we know that everyone's a suspect until nobody's a suspect 0:13:52.281 --> 0:13:56.881 until they find who did it. So you're a suspect, 0:13:57.001 --> 0:13:59.841 your mum's a suspect. Anyone that's in the family is 0:13:59.841 --> 0:14:03.041 a suspect. Equally next door neighbors, you know, anyone that 0:14:03.121 --> 0:14:07.321 has affiliation with your granddad, But at the same time, 0:14:07.361 --> 0:14:10.681 also anyone that doesn't. The car that drove past a 0:14:10.721 --> 0:14:14.321 couple of times, that's interesting for a police and then 0:14:14.361 --> 0:14:21.081 they obviously start to hone down their investigations. Brittany arrives 0:14:21.121 --> 0:14:24.521 at Ryan's house in the Silver Captiva. She gets out 0:14:24.521 --> 0:14:28.641 of the car and Bernadette drives away. Ryan, Brittany, and Tanya, 0:14:28.721 --> 0:14:31.481 their mum heads to the airport and board the next 0:14:31.481 --> 0:14:35.441 available flight to Adelaide. They're in distress. Their granddad is 0:14:35.481 --> 0:14:38.401 dead and worse still seems that he's been stabbed to death. 0:14:39.161 --> 0:14:42.601 They're wondering who did it? Was it for money? Was 0:14:42.641 --> 0:14:46.201 it self harm? Was it a home break in? There 0:14:46.281 --> 0:14:49.961 was one person on the plane that knew how Robert 0:14:50.001 --> 0:14:54.281 had died. She knew because she killed him. And now 0:14:54.321 --> 0:14:57.521 she's sitting between Ryan and his mum on the way 0:14:57.521 --> 0:15:01.281 back to Adelaide. What's the conversation down on the plane. 0:15:04.121 --> 0:15:09.161 I guess we were playing detectives a little bit and 0:15:09.241 --> 0:15:12.921 sort of thinking who could have done it more more 0:15:13.001 --> 0:15:15.481 or less talking about who we thought had done it 0:15:16.321 --> 0:15:16.801 and why. 0:15:16.921 --> 0:15:18.801 And your sister's joining in on this conversation. 0:15:18.961 --> 0:15:25.601 Absolutely she was talking about I think she was, you know, hindsight, 0:15:25.601 --> 0:15:28.921 it's an amazing thing. But I look back and I'm like, okay, 0:15:28.961 --> 0:15:32.401 I can see why now. But she was immediately jumping 0:15:32.441 --> 0:15:35.921 on board with our speculations, you know, of who it 0:15:35.961 --> 0:15:38.761 could be in. But the conversation quickly turned on the 0:15:38.801 --> 0:15:42.121 way down about about the money, which at the time 0:15:42.201 --> 0:15:44.561 I didn't think was odd because. 0:15:44.321 --> 0:15:46.281 Who turned the conversation to the money? 0:15:46.761 --> 0:15:49.121 Brittany, Yep, she talked about the money that was in 0:15:49.161 --> 0:15:54.401 the shed and said, Ryan can distract the police and 0:15:54.561 --> 0:15:57.281 I'll quickly run in and I'll go get it. But 0:15:57.361 --> 0:16:01.001 it was all very much framed around this other family 0:16:01.041 --> 0:16:05.721 member who could potentially come and get it or searched 0:16:05.801 --> 0:16:08.281 the house. It's all just sort of fed back into 0:16:08.321 --> 0:16:11.041 the same theory that we all had to the point that. 0:16:10.961 --> 0:16:14.161 And Brittany's reinforcing this narrative. Absolutely, of course, this is cover, 0:16:14.401 --> 0:16:17.601 this is yeah. She was very much saying, yep, we'll 0:16:17.601 --> 0:16:19.801 go in, I'll get the money, you know. And it 0:16:19.881 --> 0:16:22.721 was very much like for my mom, right, I'll go 0:16:22.841 --> 0:16:25.161 get the money, I'll give it to you. You know, 0:16:25.161 --> 0:16:28.401 we just need to get there before he does, you 0:16:28.441 --> 0:16:30.601 know that sort of thing. We were like, it's gonna 0:16:30.641 --> 0:16:33.881 be a crime scene, and it all seemed very like 0:16:34.121 --> 0:16:37.201 childish in a way. And I said, not only that, 0:16:37.241 --> 0:16:41.641 but the money's long gone. If the police are already there, 0:16:41.761 --> 0:16:44.521 which they certainly were. The whole house was a crime scene. 0:16:44.521 --> 0:16:47.801 It was all cord and off like that money had 0:16:47.841 --> 0:16:51.961 already been found by the police and you know, seized. 0:16:52.281 --> 0:16:55.281 And so we drove and he lived on this very 0:16:55.641 --> 0:16:59.281 quiet street and he sort of turned you turn into it, 0:16:59.361 --> 0:17:01.641 and as soon as you turn into it, there was 0:17:01.681 --> 0:17:05.920 just lines of undercover cop cars everywhere where. There was 0:17:06.041 --> 0:17:09.721 blue and white tape all around, and I remember turning 0:17:09.721 --> 0:17:12.680 to my mum's and said, yeah, he definitely didn't do 0:17:12.721 --> 0:17:16.240 this himself. I knew from that moment that whatever the 0:17:16.281 --> 0:17:19.841 police said, and they steal for a long time, they 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:26.321 were still saying potential suicide, I knew right there, I'm 0:17:26.321 --> 0:17:26.920 not a chance. 0:17:27.561 --> 0:17:29.360 In a crime scene like this, the first job of 0:17:29.441 --> 0:17:32.120 police is to secure the scene. It's one of the 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.841 first protocols police do. It means no family can enter 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.321 the house. The next steps are about securing evidence, both 0:17:39.360 --> 0:17:43.801 physical and other evidence. This process can take days or 0:17:43.801 --> 0:17:46.801 weeks before they hand the house back to the family. 0:17:47.481 --> 0:17:50.921 But in a case like this, with blood everywhere, there 0:17:51.001 --> 0:17:54.600 was one question police asked the family which they hadn't expected. 0:17:56.041 --> 0:18:01.121 They did ask us if we wanted them to clean 0:18:01.481 --> 0:18:07.120 the house or leave it as is, which like, no, 0:18:07.441 --> 0:18:09.681 clean the house and we don't want that. We did 0:18:09.681 --> 0:18:11.201 not want to see the blood and stuff like that, 0:18:11.241 --> 0:18:13.161 which I thought was a bit odd, but I guess, 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:16.400 you know, people have their preferences. Because my mom and 0:18:16.441 --> 0:18:20.241 I were the executives of the will, but more importantly, 0:18:20.880 --> 0:18:23.561 my mom was the enduring power of attorney for both 0:18:23.801 --> 0:18:27.761 my grandfather and my nanna. They gave the keys back 0:18:27.761 --> 0:18:30.281 to us. Yeah, after the house has been cleaned, and 0:18:30.321 --> 0:18:32.481 after it was I was about a week later. 0:18:32.561 --> 0:18:34.840 Yeah, not a crime scene anymore. So what are you 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:36.960 and your family thinking at this stage? Like, what's your 0:18:37.001 --> 0:18:37.600 mom thinking? 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:43.281 Mom still thinking that it had to do with the 0:18:43.840 --> 0:18:48.600 other family member. We are inside the house, and you know, 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:52.441 it's funny. We went to the house a lot afterwards, 0:18:52.441 --> 0:18:56.721 but I don't know why we didn't stay there. 0:18:56.721 --> 0:18:57.761 Did your sister come with you? 0:18:57.961 --> 0:18:58.921 Yeah? Every time? 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:00.561 And how was she in the house? 0:19:01.360 --> 0:19:07.600 She was normal like us, I guess the first couple 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:10.960 of times we went to the house, we sort of 0:19:11.001 --> 0:19:15.440 just sort of sat there and you know, remember to 0:19:15.481 --> 0:19:17.960 hear my guests and thought about that sort of stuff. 0:19:18.001 --> 0:19:22.041 And we actually the moment we got the house, we 0:19:22.201 --> 0:19:26.801 changed the locks because we knew that my grandfather had 0:19:26.801 --> 0:19:31.120 a key that used to be in the electrical box 0:19:31.360 --> 0:19:34.001 so that you could get in, but the key was gone. 0:19:36.321 --> 0:19:38.321 Later we found out the police had taken the key, 0:19:39.201 --> 0:19:41.440 but we didn't know that at the time, so we 0:19:41.521 --> 0:19:44.720 had all the locks changed. What about the money, The 0:19:44.761 --> 0:19:45.761 money was all gone. 0:19:46.041 --> 0:19:46.921 Police found it. 0:19:46.840 --> 0:19:48.801 Every Yeah found that. 0:19:49.041 --> 0:19:51.721 Did you tell them where? Like your grandfather hadn't told 0:19:51.801 --> 0:19:52.920 anyone where that money was. 0:19:53.080 --> 0:19:54.681 They found it on their own court. 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:57.720 So the police would have used their forensic powers to 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:01.720 yeat amazing, Yeah, because it was heated. It was well heated. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:05.720 Yeah, so we found that. They also found one thousand 0:20:05.801 --> 0:20:10.120 dollars in numeric order from the serial numbers which my 0:20:10.400 --> 0:20:13.640 grandfather had collected, and they had found some more money 0:20:14.241 --> 0:20:15.321 sort of inside the house. 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:17.241 It's about thirteen grand I believe. 0:20:17.360 --> 0:20:23.241 Yes. Yeah, so yeah, they had well and truly taken 0:20:23.281 --> 0:20:24.321 it before we had gotten there. 0:20:29.360 --> 0:20:32.081 While Ryan and his mum and his sister Brittany are 0:20:32.120 --> 0:20:35.440 heading back to Adelaide, there are two significant things that 0:20:35.521 --> 0:20:38.840 happened back in Brisbane. They won't seem significant right now, 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:43.321 but later in court more is revealed about Brittany's other life. 0:20:43.441 --> 0:20:44.480 It all makes sense. 0:20:47.241 --> 0:20:52.880 So the day happened, and we then went and checked 0:20:52.880 --> 0:20:56.921 into a motel in Prospect and we get a call 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:02.600 from Queensland Police. And because the car is registered in 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.201 my mother's name, she gets a call and goes, is 0:21:06.481 --> 0:21:12.281 your silver Astra stolen? And my mum said, well, it's 0:21:12.321 --> 0:21:15.041 not my car, it's my daughter's but no, I don't 0:21:15.041 --> 0:21:18.481 believe so, dear, She's like, why, and they said, this 0:21:18.721 --> 0:21:22.681 guy has been pulled over driving the vehicle. He has 0:21:22.721 --> 0:21:27.080 the keys, nothing's broken on the car, but this guy 0:21:27.241 --> 0:21:32.201 is known to police and he is not a good person. Immediately, 0:21:32.880 --> 0:21:35.041 she turns to my sisters and goes, do you know 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.161 anything about this? And my sister no, my husband stolen. 0:21:38.321 --> 0:21:41.241 Then the police pressed and said, just it doesn't seem 0:21:41.321 --> 0:21:43.961 like it's been stolen. It seems like it's been lent. 0:21:44.441 --> 0:21:47.801 And so we pressed her on it. Obviously our mind 0:21:47.840 --> 0:21:50.520 is somewhere else. We're not really thinking all that straight. 0:21:50.681 --> 0:21:54.080 And she goes, I did lend it to my housemate, 0:21:54.241 --> 0:21:57.321 not a guy and Brittany, so someone's obviously come into 0:21:57.321 --> 0:21:59.361 the house and steal in the stolen the keys, and 0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:04.001 stolen the car. And it turned out later that's not 0:22:04.321 --> 0:22:08.281 what happened. Brittany had lent it to one of her 0:22:08.561 --> 0:22:12.840 colleagues in the drug world to do errands with. 0:22:13.120 --> 0:22:18.281 Along with that car that was lent, not stolen by sister. 0:22:18.400 --> 0:22:21.321 Something else happens at your parents' place while you're traveling 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:22.321 down to Adelaide. 0:22:22.721 --> 0:22:28.441 Yeah, so we find out that prior to going to Adelaide. 0:22:29.080 --> 0:22:32.921 My parents' house had been broken into, laptop, stolen jewelry, 0:22:33.001 --> 0:22:36.960 stolen watches, all the sort of things that you can 0:22:37.001 --> 0:22:42.721 steal and sell essentially, and there was an investigation happening, 0:22:43.120 --> 0:22:46.480 and whilst we were away, the police called about that 0:22:46.761 --> 0:22:50.640 and they had found that some of the items, so 0:22:50.681 --> 0:22:53.281 I think my mum's wedding jewelry, had been stolen and 0:22:54.201 --> 0:22:56.081 they had turned up at a porn stock they were 0:22:56.120 --> 0:23:01.440 trying to be sold. So they figured out where that 0:23:01.481 --> 0:23:05.561 had happened, and obviously porn stores are probably be pretty 0:23:05.640 --> 0:23:07.801 used to that, and so it goes into a database 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:10.840 and if it gets reported that's been stolen, when it 0:23:11.001 --> 0:23:14.561 actually turns up to be sold, they know what's going on. 0:23:14.721 --> 0:23:20.081 And so later we found out after Britney's arrest for murder, 0:23:20.521 --> 0:23:24.561 she had actually orchestrated the break in and the robbery. 0:23:25.201 --> 0:23:29.321 She got her friends that are in the drug world 0:23:29.600 --> 0:23:33.041 to break in, told them how to get in, told 0:23:33.041 --> 0:23:36.201 them when my parents wouldn't be there and where and 0:23:36.241 --> 0:23:39.600 what to steal exactly to sell on her behalf. Whether 0:23:39.681 --> 0:23:43.241 or not Britney gained any money from that, or it 0:23:43.321 --> 0:23:46.640 was to feed a debt, but it was all set 0:23:46.721 --> 0:23:47.161 up by her. 0:23:47.201 --> 0:23:49.201 Have you asked your sister about that? In the letters? 0:23:49.241 --> 0:23:49.840 Absolutely? 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:50.441 What'd she say? 0:23:50.921 --> 0:23:54.440 The question that I actually raised her was she had 0:23:54.521 --> 0:23:58.081 keys to my house. Adam and I my ex partner, 0:23:58.360 --> 0:24:01.561 were never home. We had busy jobs. We were always working, 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:04.160 We were always out doing stuff on the weekend. She 0:24:04.281 --> 0:24:08.080 knew the dog. We had a lot of artwork. And 0:24:08.120 --> 0:24:11.681 I said to her, why did you never break in 0:24:11.921 --> 0:24:16.160 and steal from me? That would have been the easiest way. 0:24:16.801 --> 0:24:20.600 Why drive all the way to Jim Boomber to steal product? 0:24:20.761 --> 0:24:23.721 And then when I live in the city. And her 0:24:23.761 --> 0:24:27.561 response was You're the one person I would never steal from, 0:24:27.681 --> 0:24:30.600 which I guess in a way is touching and also odd. 0:24:30.761 --> 0:24:34.281 And I said to her in the letters, why did 0:24:34.321 --> 0:24:36.561 you do that? And she said I needed the money 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:40.201 and she didn't care about it being our parents. 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:45.160 This wasn't the only time Brittany was stealing from someone 0:24:45.201 --> 0:24:48.240 that she loved. After she killed her granddad and they 0:24:48.241 --> 0:24:51.561 were in Adelaide sorting out his affairs while Ryan and 0:24:51.600 --> 0:24:54.561 his mum were out of the house, Britney was stealing 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:55.761 from her dead granddad. 0:24:56.281 --> 0:25:00.360 We figured this out later, but again, my grandfather, being 0:25:00.681 --> 0:25:04.561