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Speaker 1: Travis Bell, Welcome to the podcast, Paul, start to be

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Speaker 1: on mate. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: But the last time we cross paths, we were both

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Speaker 2: in a different industry. We were both in the fitness industry,

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Speaker 2: and I think we were both speaking at FILEX oh

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Speaker 2: at least ten years ago. Now we've had similar ish

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Speaker 2: trajectories since then. We're both corporate speakers, we're both authors,

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Speaker 2: we're both podcast hosts. Just tell people a little bit

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Speaker 2: about your journey from the fitness industry, in fact, starting

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Speaker 2: right from there, just to give us a bit of

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Speaker 2: a sense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I guess the backstory is. I grew up

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Speaker 1: as a jock. I'm a swimmer, surfer, competitive surf, life cyber,

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Speaker 1: did all that and did enough to get an interest

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Speaker 1: in it, did a phyzed degree, and in my third

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Speaker 1: year UNI, there was this guy who came to do

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Speaker 1: our strength and conditioning course elective and he was doing

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Speaker 1: this thing in the early nineties called personal training, and

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Speaker 1: he was if all the Aussies out there would know

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Speaker 1: Darryl Summers from hayyat Saturday, he was Darryl Summers' personal

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Speaker 1: trainer and he was getting quite paid, quite handsomely, and

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Speaker 1: idea what I was going to do. You know, you

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Speaker 1: come out of a fizzed degree as a jack of

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Speaker 1: all trades, master of nuns. So he was doing this

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Speaker 1: During UNI, I was a kid swimming teacher. I always

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Speaker 1: loved coaching, helping people in some form or another. But

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Speaker 1: I live now in Ocean Grove, where I grew up.

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Speaker 1: I came back to I mean Ocean Grove, moved up

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Speaker 1: culture shock in itself. Started personal training one of the

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Speaker 1: And there was probably only three or four personal trainers

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Speaker 1: my first personal training client, Heather. She paid me twenty

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Speaker 1: You know, the numbers are stacked up. But I just

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Speaker 1: business record was sixty three mobile personal training sessions in

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Speaker 1: a week. Jesus running around. I did that for about

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Speaker 1: half of it paid in cash, which I didn't invest

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Speaker 1: Craig a mutual friend half. I had a couple of studios.

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Speaker 1: You know this, this thing of personal training was I

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Speaker 1: my then employees said, Trav, I'd like to build one

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Speaker 1: franchising route, discovered what franchising was all about. And someone

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Speaker 1: And a year later we did our first franchised personal

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Speaker 1: Loved the end product of personal training, but I was

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Speaker 1: falling out of love with the business model. Was I

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Speaker 1: too early probably make some ego based decisions, yes, but

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Speaker 2: Amazon jungle in the year two thousand. It's very interesting stuff.

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Speaker 1: We did it properly too. We did it early. Mind you,

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Speaker 1: Me and my mates, we've done a lot of personal

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Speaker 1: Anyway, back to the fitness industry, so I I was

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Speaker 1: And my mate said, Trev, why don't you teach this stuff?

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Speaker 1: You know, it's this seminar stuff, and and it was

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Speaker 1: And I went ping like bold moment, went home, registered

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Speaker 1: the bucket list guy dot com and Paul, you love this.

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Speaker 1: I literally called myself the world's number one bucket list expert.

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Speaker 1: registered about fifty other domains, which we all.

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Speaker 1: Still, still I've still got I'm just waiting for that

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Speaker 2: I just got it. I got an email just yesterday

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like it's It's addictive, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I renew that.

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Speaker 1: not related to what I'm doing right now, but you

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Speaker 1: never know. Insurance policies. So the so I at that time,

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Speaker 1: coming home and really not giving a shit. And it's

432
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 1: not that much better here, right oh my god. And

433
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: so I want people to be happier now. So therefore

434
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: we've got to relook at this bucket list. And it's

435
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Speaker 1: it took me a few years to sort of get

436
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: my own head around this, but I created this acronym

437
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 1: called my bucket list. It's a twelve step program sounds

438
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: like aa, you might need drink afterwards. Did the Ted

439
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 1: talk on it? Which was on my bucket list of

440
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: you know, it's the core of the book here right here,

441
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: and it's you know, boom there it is.

442
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 2: The twelve go right on the buck yeah.

443
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: Right. So, in a nutshell, the acronym, the my bucket

444
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: list blueprint acronym is designed to help people go north

445
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: south east west in their own brain and help them

446
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 1: to extract them. Then articulate is personally meaningful and holistic

447
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 1: bucket list and so individual. Right. But when people go

448
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: through and they really take time out of their lives

449
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: to work through this and actually write some stuff down,

450
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: which is, you know, forty six percent, you're forty six

451
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: percent more likely to have your goals or your bucket

452
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: list manifest if you actually just write shit down. I

453
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: go into businesses and I say, hey, write your goals

454
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 1: down and it's like I discovered fucking fire. Oh my god,

455
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 1: it's right down, you know, right down a bucket list.

456
00:27:54,640 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: What yeah, And I'll serve it. And I'm being facetie

457
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: of course, but I'll go in a room, you know,

458
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 1: a thousand people and I'll say, who's got a bucket list?

459
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,640
Speaker 1: Twenty percent of people put up their hand and half

460
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: of them will have their hand like that. So you

461
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: haven't really got it written down, have you. You know,

462
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: you're not really showing a lot of it. And they're like,

463
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: all right, you got me. So about ten percent of

464
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: the room have basically got any goal, let lane a

465
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Speaker 1: bucket list died and written down. So I'm still on

466
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Speaker 1: a job, which is cool. And so just having the

467
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: space that again the time out of their life to

468
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 1: work on their life. Separating their daily to do list

469
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 1: from their bucket list is a space where they can

470
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: really think deep, you know, to create their own bucket

471
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Speaker 1: list using the blueprint to create a partner bucket list

472
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: as well. Using the blueprint also the take home is

473
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: to create a family bucket list as well, which which

474
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: is amazing take home, and then when I go into businesses,

475
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: it's about writing a business bucket list as well for

476
00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 1: the team and crazy things happen. Hopefully the part in

477
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: a bucket, this one that doesn't end in divorce. You

478
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: can only.

479
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: Both put that up and go. Jesus, we are completely

480
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: incompatible here.

481
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: Yeah you want to go here, I don't want to

482
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: go there. A right goodbye, but no, it just gets

483
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: the conversation going. And it's about living proactively, not reactively

484
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: for most, you know, to stop people just existing and

485
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: truly truly live, you know, And that's what it's all about.

486
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: And it's been helping people. And that's why I keep

487
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: banging the drum. I'm more in love with it, more

488
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 1: in love with it my topic. If you like these

489
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: days that I ever have been. It's crazy to think.

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Speaker 2: The interesting thing you talked about that we've both talked about.

491
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: That that deferral and people deferring life a massive thing

492
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: for me which is now tattooed on my arm. And

493
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Speaker 2: I don't know if you can read this.

494
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: Say my brother's keeper, what does it say it? Momentum maury,

495
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm like this far away from getting a momentum moor

496
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Speaker 1: atat another Yeah, another tattoo you know, like, and I

497
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,800
Speaker 1: know you know that the l glass of it. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

498
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: so yeah, no, I I totally get it, man, And

499
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 1: that's you know, do we need these reminders? You know?

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Speaker 1: I get people to create bucket list boards and reverse

501
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: bucket list boards. It's a visual representation, is mine vis.

502
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: A vision boards?

503
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: Yeah?

504
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 2: Nice?

505
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: No stacks of money on there, no affirmations, keep those

506
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: for the tattoos, all right. But yeah, but but with

507
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: that visual representation, you know that that that's a miracle

508
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: in itself with some people when they do it for

509
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: the first time. The crazy thing is is what you

510
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: and I take for granted we've been around this personal

511
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: development stuff is coaching speaking stuff for years and years,

512
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: but the simplest things, when you go into a lot

513
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: of groups, the simplest things can be absolutely life changing

514
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: for people. Which is what I love being, I guess

515
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: a messenger of this stuff that we learn and then

516
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: giving that, you know, channeling that for people. It's really cool.

517
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: And it's amazing when you just create a little bit

518
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: of space for people and give them a little bit

519
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: of guide to do stuff with intentions. So one thing

520
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Speaker 2: that I often do in workshops, and which is why

521
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: I much prefer doing workshops and keynotes, because, as you know,

522
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 2: you can get into the weeds is around a sense

523
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: of meaning and purpose. And typically when I ask who

524
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: here has a clear sense of meaning and purpose in

525
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: their life that they could could communicate right now, it's

526
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: five to ten percent of the room, right, And we

527
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: do I talk about it a little bit for a

528
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 2: couple of minutes, give them a little bit of a guide,

529
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: and then we do four minutes of structured thinking and

530
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: generally sixty to eighty percent of the audience at the

531
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Speaker 2: end of that have something that they are reasonably happy

532
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: with right now. That's way further than where they were.

533
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: And then I'm like, right, your goal now is five

534
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: minutes every day. I want you to focus on that

535
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 2: and do it with intention. Right, So if it's about

536
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: being the best part, fucking spend five minutes being the

537
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 2: best parent that you can be.

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Speaker 3: Right.

539
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: But it's it's interesting, it's just for me, a lot

540
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: of just directing people's attention to these big questions and

541
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: that focus and giving them the space and the encouragement

542
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: to actually do it.

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00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we work in you know, like Gary van

544
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: Chuk will say, we live in the world of attention trading,

545
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: you know, like gay trading, looks, attention trading, attention arbitrage.

546
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: These days, you know, our attention and therefore our bandwidth

547
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: is getting pulled in all sorts of different directions. You know,

548
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: in one minute can be pulled in twenty different directions.

549
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: To try and focus on anything these days, let alone goals,

550
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: let alone, bucket list, let alone healthlet is that is

551
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: the current superpower to be able to just zero in

552
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: and do just that for a piece of time. You know,

553
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: Pomodoro technique. Just do something for thirty minutes and don't

554
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: do anything else. Oh my god, that's a miracle. Yes,

555
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 1: So because multitasking has killed us. Multitasking you don't get

556
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: anything done. Jack of all trades, master of none. So

557
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: the best CEOs in the world world, you know, they

558
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: have executive assistants who's you know, it's like you are

559
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: going to do disappointment with this person, or you're going

560
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: to concentrate on this task from there to there.

561
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: That's it.

562
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 1: But we've have to become our own gatekeeper, and as

563
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: a result, we get pulled in all sorts of different

564
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: directions wherever they what's the good drug that keeps us happy?

565
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 2: That serotonin, serotonins oxy Telson Delpamine's where that is, let's.

566
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: Be honest and we'll go to those tasks that make

567
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: us feel happy. And so as a result, we're getting

568
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 1: pulled in all these different directions. And I guess the

569
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: cool thing about being a speaker at workshops is, you know,

570
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 1: allowing people just to quieten down the noise, increase the

571
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 1: focus on the things that allow them to go deeper

572
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: deep think is a a rarity these days because we're

573
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: just being pulled on the surface and we're all our

574
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: attention is everywhere. So yeah, I think there's a place

575
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,800
Speaker 1: for what we do going forward more.

576
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:19,399
Speaker 2: And more because that multitasking a lot of people don't

577
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 2: realize as well as not getting anything done properly, is

578
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: it creates a massive sentence of overwhelm and stress and anxiety.

579
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,920
Speaker 1: Actually makes you dumb statistically, Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, it's

580
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: not a badge of honor.

581
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: Now, given that it's written on the back of your book.

582
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to give anything massive away

583
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: by quickly going through those twelve steps. And I want

584
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 2: to take a pick one or two to focus on

585
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: because I know you've got a lot of worksheets and stuff,

586
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 2: so I don't think we're giving away the secret sauce. No, no,

587
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: and just quickly talk us through those those twelve do

588
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 2: my bucket list and will zero in our one or

589
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 2: two for the remallion time.

590
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Look, it's an acronym, like I said, my

591
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 1: bucket list. So prepare yourself, people. M stands for meet

592
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: a personal hero. Who do you want to meet before

593
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: your time is up? Why? Stands for your proud achievements

594
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: when you get to that eightieth or one hundredth year,

595
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,959
Speaker 1: What do you want to be really proud of before

596
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: your time is up? In the book, I've got like

597
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: fifty examples of each b by that special something, whether

598
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: it be for yourself or for someone else. It's the

599
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: only materialistic part of it. How are you rewarding yourself?

600
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 1: You stands for ultimate challenges? You know, what are some physical, emotional,

601
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 1: intellectual challenges that you can set for yourself? And fun

602
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: fact on the other side, check this out on the

603
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: other side of your bucket list? Is it you that

604
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: you don't know yet? So I want people to get

605
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: curiously excited out of this podcast. You're curiously excited about

606
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: the bigger version of them that exists on the other side,

607
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: people are dying at People are dying at forty and

608
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: being buried at eighty. They put a lid on their potential.

609
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 1: They get the mortgage, they get the kids, they get

610
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,320
Speaker 1: the job, they gets the security, and they stop pushing

611
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: the envelope. Wow, and mental health is going through the roof.

612
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: Divorce rates are going through the roof. Yeah, you know,

613
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: health complications go through the roof. So you and I

614
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: share this. We want to wake people up and start

615
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: getting curiously excited about the bigger version. How dare you

616
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: go through this life and not get to experience your

617
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: own potential in its fullest? That's the human experience. If

618
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 1: you ask me you challenge.

619
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 2: No, no, no, We're going to stop right there because

620
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 2: people can buy the book for the rest because I

621
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 2: want to dive in on this right because I think

622
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: this stuff I'm going to combine too, and the one

623
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 2: about your personal achievements and the ultimate challenge. Right, You're

624
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: going to love this, And I think you're going to

625
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: get this guy on your podcast. Doctor Stan Beacham, who's

626
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 2: been on my podcast a couple of times and is

627
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: going to be on In the Game very soon, is

628
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 2: a psychologist in the State's wrote a brilliant book called

629
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: Elite Minds, and he was on my podcast and we

630
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 2: were talking about just people living in their comfort zone, right,

631
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: and he said he said a couple of things. So

632
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 2: one that we discussed he said, you know, if you

633
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: get people to think of what are they most proud

634
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: of right now, and if allow of our listeners think

635
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 2: of the stuff that they're most proud of, it involves

636
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: stress and being out of your comfort zone for ninety

637
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: five percent of people. Right. So Stan's big question to

638
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: people is when you or on your deathbed in your nineties,

639
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 2: do you want to be looking back on life going

640
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: that was a comfortable life or do you want to

641
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 2: look back and go, that was a life that I

642
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: could be proud of. And so if it's the latter,

643
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: then you need to take on as much challenge and

644
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 2: responsibility as you can tolerate.

645
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 3: Right.

646
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 2: But then he also said something that plays into that

647
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Speaker 2: ultimate challenge where he said that he said, what most

648
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: people don't realize is in order to live the very

649
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: best life every nine and then you need to walk

650
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 2: right to the edge of yourself and stir into the

651
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 2: abyss and learn what it tells you. And then you

652
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: walk back and you bring that knowledge in and then

653
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 2: every nine and in you walk right to the edge

654
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 2: of yourself again and you find that over time you

655
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: need to walk further to reach the edge. Commentary on that.

656
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: And people another misconsipt of bucket lists playing into that

657
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: is that people think you've got to be like a

658
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: sponsored red bull athlete. You know, you've got to got

659
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: to go and do the Iron Man, You've got to

660
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: go and do the skydive. You've got to go and

661
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: climb out ever.

662
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: A wingsuit flated and stuff like that.

663
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you're not a bucket lister unless you're wingsuited.

664
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 1: So it's not about that. It's you know, that's that's

665
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 1: on the third list that I haven't mentioned yet chapter thirteen,

666
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: called the fucket List. That's all the shit you just

667
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: don't want to do. So as a result, it's about

668
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: pushing your envelope. It's about definitely we addicted. We're as

669
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: human beings, we're addicted to growth, right, It's the thing

670
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 1: that keeps us alive, It keeps the adrenaline up. And again,

671
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be extreme, but it's got to

672
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: be outside of your own comfort zone and whatever you do.

673
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: And I'll be the first to say this in certainly

674
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 1: my work is it's not a pissing contest. It's it's

675
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: not mine's bigger than yours or I'm more extreme than you.

676
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: And that's why a lot of people actually don't write

677
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: goals down leadline bucket list items in the first place,

678
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 1: because the fear of disappointment, fear of failure. If I

679
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: write this down and doesn't come to fruition, I'm going

680
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: to feel like a loser. Or mine's not as extreme

681
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:23,560
Speaker 1: as Paul's, so I'm not even going to try. It's

682
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 1: like buck everyone else you do you, o'll do me,

683
00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: and let's share so we can actually help each other.

684
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: How about that? Look at it abundantly And that's why

685
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 1: I love doing it in rooms where people can actually

686
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: be a resource for each other. Right, but when you're

687
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: writing this stuff down, I want you to really lock

688
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: this in. Guys, when you're writing down any goal, any

689
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: bucket this item, only worry about going to write down.

690
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: Only worry about the what and the why, not the how.

691
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: Only worry about the what and the why, not about

692
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: the how. The how overcomplicates it. I haven't got the money,

693
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 1: I haven't got the time, so I want every write

694
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: down and old people will teach us that if you

695
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: just type it into Google brain writing it down, then

696
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: the universe will show you the path in due course.

697
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: If you want something bad enough, If you want something

698
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: bad enough, the how will work itself out. When the

699
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 1: why makes you cry, the how will work itself out.

700
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: It will show up. But the problem is you're not

701
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: even typing it into Google.

702
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,120
Speaker 2: So how how?

703
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 1: How's the world meant to search for that term? Simple?

704
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: How the resources meant to show up? If you don't

705
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: tell anyone you know. One of the best ways to

706
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: lose weight, believe it or not, is to publicly announce

707
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: it on Facebook.

708
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: That is, and I often do. There's that social evidence stuff,

709
00:42:56,080 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 2: right because when you do write stuff done or declare it,

710
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: what you're doing, first of all, is you're paying attention

711
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,760
Speaker 2: to it, and your brain is starting to commit sales

712
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 2: to it, right, And that's got to be the first

713
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 2: step in any of this is about getting your brand

714
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: to commit sales to it. How many people do you

715
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: find are just completely friezen by fear of failure?

716
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: Busy half ah, if not more that we'll admit to it, Okay,

717
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: because there's only so much, you know, to help personal

718
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 1: trainer in me. I can't let anything go mate. You know,

719
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: there's two things that a coach does, you know, the

720
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 1: personal trainer does back. You know, speaking in that narrative

721
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: is objectivity, you know, see the forest from the trees

722
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: for people because they're so subjective in their own life.

723
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: And accountability. So you know, I'll openly give my email

724
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: address to anyone happy to do it on this Send

725
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: me your bucket list. I'm got a gift for you.

726
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: Send me your bucket list, and I'll say that room,

727
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 1: I'll say that to a room of five hundred people.

728
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: I don't care, and I'll check them guaranteed that nine

729
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: people won't do that. They don't want to account they

730
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: don't want accountability.

731
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 2: Around accountability, Yeah, because want you man, it's crazy.

732
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: I am getting hit with a lot of spam lately.

733
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's a whole other bots. Yeah, I'm on

734
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 1: the dark web somewhere. But the point, the point being

735
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: that accountability is everything. And you know that's why if

736
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: you want to get to the next level in life,

737
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: get someone around you that will hold you accountable, whether

738
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 1: it's you may whoever, but get a bucket this buddy.

739
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: You know someone that's not going to take your shit,

740
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: take your excuses, and help you play above the line

741
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 1: rather than be a victim music excuses or deny you

742
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: know your lot in life. That's what it's all about.

743
00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 1: So to most people, fear of disappointment is the reason

744
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 1: why they don't go after the things they really want to.

745
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: Can I share with you a little accountability exercise that

746
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: I often do, and I think you'll be a fan

747
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 2: of this. And I did one recently. I was doing

748
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 2: a workshop in New Zealand and I asked if there

749
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 2: was anybody who really really wanted to change your behavior.

750
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: It was more to around health behavior change, and I

751
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 2: wanted to go nuclear. And so this guy said yes.

752
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: But first of all, so I distracted him a little bit,

753
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 2: right and asked him about, you know, somebody that he

754
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 2: really admired and told me that. Now I asked about

755
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: someone or something that he absolutely detested, right, And so

756
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 2: he told me that, and then we went back to

757
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 2: the to the thing and I said, right, so what's

758
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,879
Speaker 2: your goal? And this was about a relationship with the phone,

759
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: and I said, so, imagine I'm the motivation Faierry and

760
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 2: I come along with a magic wand and just go

761
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: bom and it's done right. But you've got to give me,

762
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: hand me over some money for that to happen. How

763
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: much would you pay for this to be a reality.

764
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: It's got to be something that hurts a little bit.

765
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: And so he gave an amount of money, and I said, right, well,

766
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: here's the gig. If you and no I shake my

767
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: hand and you have not achieved this goal, whenever we

768
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 2: come back in twelve weeks, you have to take that

769
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 2: summer money, which I think was five grand, and you

770
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:50,600
Speaker 2: have to give it to this entity that you fucking detest.

771
00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 2: He laughed uncomfortably. And I'm like, I'm serious, and he's like, okay,

772
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: I'm in. I'm all right, this is the thing. So

773
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: and I started this years ago. I saw this thing

774
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 2: called kick dot com and it was stuff about people

775
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 2: who wanted to achieve their goals and they played some

776
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 2: money and they'd have an independent adjudicator and you know,

777
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 2: this company would take their money and if you didn't

778
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 2: achieve your goal, and it was given to a charity

779
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 2: that you loved. And I'm like, that's such a fucking

780
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: cop out, because you then feel, oh, yeah, that's okay

781
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: that I feel because this is going to something that

782
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: I really love. I'm like, fuck that, You've got to

783
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: commit it to something you detest because bis bass. Right.

784
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: So there's something called the Bass assessment. And and it's

785
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:52,000
Speaker 2: been shown that everybody is motivated by two things. One

786
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 2: is the the pleasure or the joy that I'm going

787
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 2: to get when I've achieved something, and the other thing

788
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: is fear of loss. And different people have different motivations.

789
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: We all have a little bit of both, but some

790
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 2: are stronger in others. But the research also shows that

791
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 2: as you get closer to potentially towards a goal, it

792
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 2: starts to shift for everybody for fear of loss, right,

793
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 2: And so for me, it's about how do we use that?

794
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 2: How do you amplify that? And you've got to get

795
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 2: a summ of money to somebody that you fucking detest.

796
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: Give money, just put the pine pine, the hurt money,

797
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: blood money to someone someone that you My when I

798
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 1: did this was was one thousand dollars to the nearest

799
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: Catholic church collection box because I'm i am a recovering

800
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,959
Speaker 1: Catholic from Northern Ireland.

801
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: And there was no way that thousand dollars of my

802
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 2: heart own money was going into that collection box.

803
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 1: I should have used it against you. You get your

804
00:48:55,360 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: on my podcast. Luckily you said yes, indeed, Now, I

805
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: totally I've been involved in that. I've given money away

806
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: or open check back in the day. I've done that

807
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 1: for years. And it's like, give this money to something.

808
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: If I don't do what I say I'm going to do,

809
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: give this, give this money away. It's a pain motivator,

810
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: but it body.

811
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: Works absolutely, that twenty motivation. No, let just before we

812
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 2: finish off, you've already mentioned it. And look, you said

813
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: there's only one thing that was materialistic on your list

814
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 2: of my bucket list, which is cool. And you've already

815
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 2: mentioned values. So talk to us about the importance of

816
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 2: when people are thinking about the bucket list, of that

817
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 2: deeper stuff, like the stuff that's important to your values, virtues, character,

818
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: that sort of deeper stuff that often we don't really

819
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 2: think about or don't use to drive our lives.

820
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,959
Speaker 1: Yeah, two things popping in there. One is the common

821
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: misconception about the stuff that I teach is it's all

822
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: about the tics and having a fun life, But really

823
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: it's about how everyone instantly reverse engineers every aspect of

824
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 1: their life in order to make this stuff come to fruition.

825
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: It's the growth of them on this journey towards these

826
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 1: self imposed destinations, which is what it's all about. But

827
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: more importantly, like I said, it's a person. It's about

828
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,399
Speaker 1: the person that exists on the other side, the person

829
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: they don't know yet. So when you're going through the

830
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: my bucket list blueprint, you've written it out, then what

831
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: I want people to do is give it a let's

832
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: call it a motivation or inspiration level, out of ten,

833
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: one being not motivated whatsoever, and ten being like I

834
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: will move mountains to make this happen. If I don't

835
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 1: do these eights, nines, and tens, I am going to

836
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: have a regret full life and regret free life. And

837
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: it's your eights, nines and tens that I really want

838
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: people to concentrate on. Then put those eights, nines, and tens,

839
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: no matter how big or how small they are, in

840
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: to a ten year plan, create a bucket list budget

841
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,720
Speaker 1: around it, and before you know it, you've got yourself

842
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: a lifestyle design. You've got yourself a bucket list life plan,

843
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: and sure you'll do You'll pick up other things, and

844
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: there's stuff on there that to get that rather than

845
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: the ten year plan. That's all well and good, but

846
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 1: to give people that hope of like I can really

847
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: do this. After you've done your big list and you've

848
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: done the one to ten, look at also your low

849
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: hanging fruit. What's the things that you can do right

850
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: like tonight, right now. If one of them is to

851
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,919
Speaker 1: learn Spanish, cool, download due Lingo and start. If one's

852
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 1: to start meditation, then there's apps to do that.

853
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 2: Let's go.

854
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:08,720
Speaker 1: If there's you know, a cause kind acts for others,

855
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: or a legacy, which is the l leave a legacy,

856
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: then put the wheels in motion. I'm doing five six

857
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: things at the moment. It's not one then the other

858
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: than the next. It's like I'm living a bucket this

859
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: life because I'm Some take a little bit more time

860
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 1: for more resources, and some I can start straight away.

861
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 1: But you tick off a lot of these smaller little

862
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: ones and that gives you the momentum motivation to smash

863
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: through the bigger ones. Instead of going to much, you

864
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 1: pitch you. And I was saying a lot of this

865
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, when people were trapped, feeling trapped and

866
00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:48,120
Speaker 1: overwhelmed and mental health was going through the roof, and

867
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 1: my stuff became a light at the end of the

868
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: tunnel for a lot of people because it's about giving

869
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: them the tools rather than just concentrating and you know,

870
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: talking about depression all the time and getting in you know,

871
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 1: the groups and just talking about how bad life. Let's

872
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: give them some tools, right And still to this day

873
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: it's relevant, but the momentum and motivation is smashed through

874
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 1: the bigger ones and it really does change a person's attitude.

875
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: You know, be a tourist in your own hometown first,

876
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: rather than just much you pitch. You know, it's about

877
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: how you're what are you doing this weekend? So it's

878
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: about choosing happiness. It's about intentionally proactively living your life.

879
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: And to the parents out there, to the careers, to

880
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: the teachers, to the nurses who are all about other people,

881
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,240
Speaker 1: I want you, and I'd hate using the word selfish,

882
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: but I want you to do you put your own

883
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: oxygen mask on first before you can help others. Be

884
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: it all about you. So you, as a parent, especially,

885
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: show up as a better example for your kids. You

886
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 1: show up as a better leader, as a better teammate,

887
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 1: as a better partner. I want you to graduate this

888
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 1: as a bucket lister glass half full, not half empty,

889
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of half misery loves company. There's

890
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: enough of them out there, all right, But what we

891
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: need is more examples out there of Now, I want

892
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,720
Speaker 1: to be in business. I want to be the partner

893
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,399
Speaker 1: of I want to be the kid of. I want

894
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:30,600
Speaker 1: to be the parent of a bucket lister. Someone's got

895
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: a fun, adventurous spirit, who's pushing the envelope, who isn't shy,

896
00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: is bold, who's always got a story to tell. I

897
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 1: want to do business with someone like that.

898
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 2: There's a couple of things just as you were talking

899
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:51,760
Speaker 2: that really spring to mind about why this whole bucket

900
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 2: less thing is really really useful. I think, especially since

901
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 2: the pandemic, we have become more and more forocused on negativity,

902
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: and there's so much frigging negativity around and a lot

903
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,240
Speaker 2: of people come home and they complain about their day's

904
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:12,120
Speaker 2: work and that sort of stuff, and then they get

905
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 2: into that mindset of negativity. But when you get people

906
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: thinking about you call it that the person who's on

907
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 2: the other side, who exists on the other side, I'm

908
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 2: quite big at the minute, me and Collie doing a

909
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 2: dive into this whole idea of future self and there's

910
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 2: a real co research around future self and writing a

911
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 2: letter from your future self to you right now, your

912
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: ideal future self, which is your bucket list, right when

913
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:40,560
Speaker 2: you've achieved your bucket list. That's the person on the

914
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: other side. What this stuff does is it gives people

915
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: hope and optimism. And hope and optimism are absolutely critical

916
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 2: and I think a massive antidote for the way that

917
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: the world is becoming, particularly post pandemic, where it's all

918
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 2: about who's doing fucking what to me? And Hi'm malfa

919
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 2: shit and I'm a victim of this, than that and

920
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: the other thing, And it just puts people into this

921
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: negative approach of me, me, me, and who's doing what

922
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 2: to me, rather than that more self focused but what

923
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:23,120
Speaker 2: can my best self actually be?

924
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've all got the hangover from the government, the

925
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories, the Facebook groups went wild, and I think

926
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 1: we all got PDSD out of it. To be honest,

927
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: I've got to saying because I've been through depression, you know,

928
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,719
Speaker 1: and a lot of people who follow you mate, you know,

929
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: have had similar situations to them. Only worry about the

930
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: tsunami when it's coming up your drive.

931
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 2: Nice.

932
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 1: Other than that, just get on with it, because what

933
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 1: can you actually do about it? You know, I'm mind you.

934
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: I'm coming from a place where I'm adopted. My dad

935
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: is a warfie m u a here to stay in

936
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: the unions, the whole bit, working working man from the

937
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: age of sixteen seventeen right through the retirement, you know,

938
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: blue collar all the way. And me his adopted son,

939
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: a serial entrepreneur. He still doesn't really understand what I do.

940
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: But the point is, mind you, I've taken him all

941
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: around the world. We've done Everest, We've done Kakoda, Oh,

942
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: we did much Epitchu. We did Kilimanjaro, which nearly killed him.

943
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: And because of my bucket list where him and I

944
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: didn't get along really you know, too well grown up,

945
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: and because of my backup is now we're best mates,

946
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: you know. And that's the opening, one of the opening

947
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,959
Speaker 1: stories that I have when I speak, so it brings

948
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 1: people together. Certainly has for Dad and I. But you

949
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: I catch up with him every Friday for a coffee.

950
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: Still you're still bitching about the government. You're still watching

951
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: the current affair in the news and comes in with

952
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: all the bad news. I don't even know you said

953
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: you see the news. I don't have to watch the news, dad,

954
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: because you watch it for me, and you you know,

955
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: you filter all the good stuff. You filter all the

956
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: good stuff for me. So I don't really you know.

957
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: And when I went through depression, I switched off the news.

958
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: Dada got better. Who would have thought, so, be your

959
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: own news cycle, be the light for other people. And

960
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 1: you've got the choice too, consciously. You've got the conscious choice.

961
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: And don't you know, I'm happy to argue this until

962
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm blueing the face. You've got the conscious choice to

963
00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: switch on or off your inputs. End of story. You

964
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: don't have to have all those notifications, you don't have

965
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,320
Speaker 1: to have all the apps. You don't have to read

966
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 1: all your emails, you don't have to read them new

967
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: you don't have to hang out with those people. Now,

968
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: there's some people in our lives where you catch up

969
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 1: with them, you feel like you need to washer a

970
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: holiday after catching up with them, right, and look at

971
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: how much time you got left, like you really want

972
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 1: to be spending your time like that? I choose not

973
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:31,800
Speaker 1: too simple. I don't live in this blissful unicorn utopian world.

974
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 2: I get it.

975
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: I pick up on the news. I know what's going on.

976
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: But my time is limited. Your time's limited. Everyone's time

977
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: is limited. So choose it wisely, choose happiness.

978
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 2: I say, yeah, And that's why momentum maury for me,

979
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 2: right is wake up every day and have extreme gratitude

980
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: to be alive. But then what are you going to

981
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: do with it? So last question, min, is the room

982
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 2: on the bucket less fresh stuff that you don't want

983
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 2: to happen? Because I tell you, when I think about

984
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,920
Speaker 2: my my my goals in life kind of bucket less stuff.

985
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 2: My biggest goal. And if I get to my deathbed

986
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: and this is a reality, I think I can look

987
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: back and go that was fucking awesome is not to

988
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: bury one of my children. So is that allowed on

989
01:00:23,240 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 2: your bucket list?

990
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: That's just it just went dark really quick. Yeah. I

991
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: can't even amain. Yeah, I mean why not? It's your list.

992
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: There's no judgment, And I think that you know again,

993
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: it's about reverse engineering that what does that actually mean?

994
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:50,960
Speaker 1: It means I got to stay fucking healthy. Yeah, it

995
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 1: means I've got to I've got to be top of

996
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: my you know, I've got to be present. I've got

997
01:00:57,800 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 1: to take care no matter how old. But yeah, I

998
01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: got to look at it after number one, you know,

999
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: so I can be there for them, simple as that.

1000
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: And reverse engineering. And again the wealth planners have enough

1001
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 1: resources to be able to handle any elements, any medical

1002
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: conditions that are thrown at you and your family, Like,

1003
01:01:20,680 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 1: get serious about it. What's your insurance not literal insurance policy,

1004
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: but but look at your you know your insurance policy

1005
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:28,120
Speaker 1: is looking after yourself.

1006
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, because part of this, when you think about it,

1007
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: you know, a thur chunk of that is stuff that's

1008
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 2: not in my control. But when I think about it,

1009
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,920
Speaker 2: there's stuff that is in my control right now. And

1010
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: particularly when you think about teenagers is you know, biggest

1011
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:50,360
Speaker 2: stress for teenagers suicides and for teenage boys doing stupid shit.

1012
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 2: So for me like you that I like it. So

1013
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 2: it's like, don't be don't be like me. But I

1014
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 2: think the stuff that I can reverse engineer because I

1015
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 2: have thought about this is I need to be here

1016
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: for them in these teenage years. So I've said no

1017
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:15,400
Speaker 2: to lots of shiny business ideas because I know that's

1018
01:02:15,480 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 2: going to suck up a shitload of time, and I'm

1019
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 2: going to be one of those parents that then goes, fuck,

1020
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 2: I wasn't there for my kid. And so for me,

1021
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 2: that's the bit that I can focus on, that I

1022
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 2: can control. And once they leave the house, you know,

1023
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: there's limited, very limited stuff that you can do.

1024
01:02:31,960 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got I've got four step kids in my life.

1025
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 1: And I heard a statement. You've probably heard it before.

1026
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 1: People have heard it before, kids spell love to I am.

1027
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: A hmmm, I've never heard that, but it's so friggin true.

1028
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 2: They don't care about whether the fuck they're at public

1029
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 2: school or what holidays you bring on them. They just

1030
01:02:55,160 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 2: want you from all the way from little kids it

1031
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 2: up to teenagers leaving the host they just.

1032
01:03:03,720 --> 01:03:13,439
Speaker 1: So when we talk about that multitasking, where do you reckon? So, Paul, mate,

1033
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 1: where do you reckon? They got that from Yeah, that's right. Yeah,

1034
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 1: So it's present.

1035
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry for those who are listening. Trave was visualizing

1036
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 2: being on his phone when the kids are talking to.

1037
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: Him, someb typing on a phone, which I never do.

1038
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, but yeah, it's about being present and we're

1039
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 1: all a victim of not being And you know, I

1040
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: think we just need these kind of reminders that, you know,

1041
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,560
Speaker 1: be reminded of it when they're doing it. Wonder where

1042
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: they got it from. We can easily point the finger,

1043
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:48,440
Speaker 1: but there's three pointing the back of this.

1044
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: M absolutely, trave. I am very aware of your time.

1045
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: This has been awesome. So if people want to stop

1046
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: existing and start living properly, where's the best place to

1047
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: send them to get your bucket list, blueprint or book

1048
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 2: you for a talk for their staff? What's the best place?

1049
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:16,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? Man, thank you, and I really appreciate, you know,

1050
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: the opportunity to you know, spread the love on your show,

1051
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 1: and you know I can't wait to chat about you

1052
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: on mind. So good going on there. So look, man,

1053
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: I can just go dub dub dub dot the bucket

1054
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: this guy dot com would slash speaking or just the

1055
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: bucket this guy dot com. I don't know if I mentioned,

1056
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 1: but it says on there the world's no. I don't

1057
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: know if I mentioned that the world's.

1058
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 2: Made it up there the original and the best.

1059
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: O.

1060
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 2: G There you go, Trav from P T T P

1061
01:04:56,840 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 2: D H. Great journey, keep going and out there and

1062
01:05:01,200 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: fucking nudging people just to start living and to actually

1063
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 2: discover who the person is that exists on the other side.

1064
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 1: Love it, Thanks brother,