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Speaker 1: Apod Shape Production. Welcome back to another episode of Am

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Speaker 1: I A Bad Mom? Podcast?

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Speaker 2: My brother goes, what are you talking about today? Or

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Speaker 2: am I a bad Mama? I was like, should it

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Speaker 2: be am I a bad mom? Or should it be

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Speaker 2: an am I a good mom?

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Speaker 3: Kind of week? He went, I live with you at

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Speaker 3: the moment.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh, savage, yeah so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: We talk often about how we need to give each

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Speaker 1: other like a bit of grace, you know, like we

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Speaker 1: need to give each other a bit more of a

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Speaker 1: pad on the back because it's so hard. I was

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Speaker 1: even thinking this morning. I was like, without being like

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Speaker 1: too you know, woo woo. And like you hear a

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Speaker 1: lot about trauma these days, Like there's a lot about trauma,

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Speaker 1: and you know, if you delve deep into looking at

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Speaker 1: trauma and the way it can show up in your

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Speaker 1: body and everything, like every illnesses and all that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff, it's just interesting. I every now and then

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Speaker 1: have a little think about the things that I would

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Speaker 1: do differently, and I'm like, oh, is that going to

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Speaker 1: cause you know, some sort of childhood trauma when they're older?

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Speaker 1: Like I'm always thinking about that kind of stuff. And

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Speaker 1: then I'm like, what could I have done differently, But

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Speaker 1: then at the same time, I'm like, you couldn't have

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Speaker 1: done anything differently because you didn't know any different So

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Speaker 1: you did what you could at the time in terms of,

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Speaker 1: you know, letting babies cry themselves to sleep. And now

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Speaker 1: we're hearing about how that's abandonment trauma and you know,

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Speaker 1: like all that stuff, and it's like, but we didn't know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so actually we did our best.

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Speaker 2: I think if you want to go extra on that

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Speaker 2: extra woo woo, do you believe that each and every

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Speaker 2: one of us have already got our paths written for us.

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Speaker 3: Like when you talk.

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Speaker 2: About woo woo in the universe, right, just going back

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Speaker 2: to your trauma piece, the universe is written, right, It's

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Speaker 2: already written for us.

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Speaker 3: So technically, if they're meant to.

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Speaker 2: Have trauma from you leaving them cry in their bed

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Speaker 2: for an extra eight minutes when they were children, they're

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Speaker 2: going to have that, Like it's already written. That doesn't

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Speaker 2: change anything in the significance of how we show up

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Speaker 2: on a day to day basis and how we can

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Speaker 2: change and grow and evolve as we are as parents now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's.

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Speaker 3: Been and done. You can't change that it's all in

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Speaker 3: the past, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting you say that because out there on

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Speaker 1: the whiteboard there is written in ideas podcast ideas. Has

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Speaker 1: the universe already written your life? And I've wanted to

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Speaker 1: do a podcast on that for a while, but I

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Speaker 1: just don't know enough about that.

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Speaker 3: See, yeah, I don't know either.

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Speaker 2: But when I talk about that, I look at it

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Speaker 2: and go, yes, each and every one of us from

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Speaker 2: our childhood have a piece of trauma, if not seven, ten, twenty,

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Speaker 2: depending upon what childhood you've had, like, it does play

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Speaker 2: up now as a parent a hundred.

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Speaker 1: And it's the lessons that you learn from it.

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Speaker 2: But that's the difference is you've got to choose to

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Speaker 2: learn the lessons to be able to evolve and become

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Speaker 2: the next version of yourself, which then in turn benefits

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Speaker 2: the children and benefits the people around you, but most importantly,

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Speaker 2: it benefits yourself. So look, if they've got a bit

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Speaker 2: of trauma, Katie, don't beat yourself up. They're gonna be okay.

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Speaker 2: We are okay, We've had our little.

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Speaker 3: Share of you know, in our childhoods. It's all good.

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Speaker 1: What we're taking from this is if you lost your

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Speaker 1: shit with your kids this morning. Yeah, it's's okay because

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Speaker 1: it's all meant to be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Am I bad mum for letting them?

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Speaker 3: Just letting them?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: See, this is a very controversial topic. It's unlike us.

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Speaker 1: Not everyone's going to agree with what I've done. But

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Speaker 3: I'm nervous. Why am I nervous?

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Speaker 1: I've got teenagers. Actually, when I say controversial, I also

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Speaker 1: kind of feel like there's definitely people that will go, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's people that say that about everything we do talk.

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Speaker 3: About on here. Don't worry about just one topic.

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Speaker 1: But I think also if we then take ourselves back

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now they've been invited to their first party. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: so they're like, mum, you know, says any party, and

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Speaker 1: can we go? I was like, yeah, of course you

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Speaker 1: can go. Yeah, it's totally fine. And they said, just

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Speaker 1: to let you know, and this is another reason, and

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Speaker 1: for what I'm about to tell you, because they're quite

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Speaker 1: sensible kids, like I trust them, and they're very open

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Speaker 1: with us, like they talk about a lot. They said,

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Speaker 1: I just let you know there's going to be alcohol there.

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Speaker 1: And I was like okay, And they said, are you

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Speaker 1: okay with that? And I was like mm hmm, yeah,

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Speaker 1: because I really hope that I've given you the education

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Speaker 1: to know what to do in that situation, like you

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Speaker 1: don't want to be drinking alcohol and vomiting in the

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Speaker 1: gutter and being brought home by a policeman.

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Speaker 3: Extreme, Yeah, keep going.

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Speaker 1: First of all, they asked me, like what do we do,

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Speaker 1: Like should we take something with it? And I was like, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: When you go to someone's house and they've invited you

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Speaker 1: over for something, I would always take you know, as

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Speaker 1: an adult, I would take you know, bott of wine whatever.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And so I said to them, I'm fine with you

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Speaker 3: What did they say?

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Speaker 1: And they were like okay, yeah, great, And I said,

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Speaker 1: other stuff on offer or whatever, then I'm trusting you. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm giving you my support. I'm going to take you

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Speaker 1: afterwards and you can take of AKA cruiser. And I

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Speaker 1: want the rest of your decisions that evening to be

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Speaker 1: sensible ones that I'll be proud of. Yeah, And they

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Speaker 1: The controversial part is it's technically illegal, I.

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Speaker 3: Know, underage drinking.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: However, my thing is at the moment, my kids are

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Speaker 1: they're telling me when their friends are vaping, they're telling

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Speaker 1: me when someone's done something with a boy, they're telling

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Speaker 1: me when there's alcohol at you know, they could have

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Speaker 1: easily said to me, oh yeah, her parents, And I

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Speaker 1: do believe the parents are going to be there. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine you'd ever want fifty teenagers in your house.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: But my thing is that if I say no to

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Speaker 1: that stuff now, and obviously there's limits, like I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to say yes to bloody bottle of vodka, vockerans

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Speaker 1: and cocaine. I'm definitely not going to do that. However,

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Speaker 1: my thing is, at the moment they're being very honest

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Speaker 1: about stuff, because it's just the type of kids they

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Speaker 1: but I'm like, if I'm the parent that says no

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trying to weigh up which way is yeah,

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Speaker 2: the way to navigate this. There's no best way to

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Speaker 1: And the interesting part is they then said to me

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Speaker 1: they're going with a friend, and I said, why don't

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Speaker 1: you write her over? You know, you can get ready

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Speaker 1: and will drop you and her off. Amelia said to me, Mum,

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Speaker 1: will you be able to get a vodka cruzer for

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Speaker 1: this other friend? And I said, only if I can

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Speaker 1: speak to her mom or dad. I said, I'm not

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Speaker 1: just buying alcohol for your friends. For someone else's child,

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Speaker 1: I said, does her parents know? So you're asking me

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Speaker 1: to buy it? And she wi no, That's why I'm

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Speaker 1: asking you to buy it because her mum won't let

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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely not going to then there's no way. But

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Speaker 1: doing it behind her parents back because they've said no.

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Speaker 1: This is my argument. It's like what's right, what's right,

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Speaker 1: and what's wrong? You can do I did it anyway.

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Speaker 1: I used to lie to my mom all the time.

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Speaker 1: I used to tell her I was having a sleepover

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Speaker 1: and go to a nightclub with a fake idea, Like

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Speaker 1: my mom had no idea. But that's because she didn't

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Speaker 3: Just a definite no. Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a super hard one. There's no right

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Speaker 2: or wrong answer. You'll have pushback on either side of

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Speaker 2: the decision. I am exactly like you. I learnt the

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Speaker 2: very hard way because I don't think it was just

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Speaker 2: be a clear no yeah, kind of like that other

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Speaker 2: side of going why would I lure her in and go, hey.

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Speaker 3: This is what I'm thinking of doing. What are your thoughts?

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Speaker 2: And she would have been like over my dead body.

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Speaker 2: You know, that's exactly the mom that she was, So

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Speaker 2: that would be in definite no.

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Speaker 3: But did that stop me. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: I had my fair share of those experiences underage.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't think there's a right or wrong.

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Speaker 2: I think the education piece that you set as a

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Speaker 2: tone with your children from get go about alcohol is

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So I've definitely had the conversation around the dangers

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Speaker 1: of alcohol, which they've done at school as well, Like

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Speaker 1: they're aware the dangers of alcohol, the keeping yourself safe,

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Speaker 1: you know. I've even talked to them about you know,

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Speaker 1: those sickly sweet like Alco pops and how you don't

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Speaker 1: even feel like you're drinking and the next minute it

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Speaker 1: And also the like the reason why there's an agent

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Speaker 1: limit on alcohol is because it's really not good for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, to have it.

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Speaker 1: So I think one is a problem.

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Speaker 3: Not really do.

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Speaker 1: I think that I'm pretty confident that the education around

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the other part is that it was always

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Speaker 2: an open conversation when we were more of the older

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Speaker 2: the house parties that we would go to, the parents

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Speaker 2: it's one of those real hard ones where you go,

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Speaker 2: would you rather them behind your back doing it or

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Speaker 2: in front of your face? Yeah, because either way I

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Speaker 2: opting for the first one to be upfront, honest and

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Right, Yep. It's a tough one.

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Speaker 1: Because I imagine there'd be people listening going, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: what are you doing? Absolutely not. Well, I get that

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Speaker 1: to you in it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well it's the same as before you have children and

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Speaker 1: you go, I'm never going to have my child sitting

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Speaker 1: with it, Yeah, it changes.

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Speaker 3: This is the thing though.

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Speaker 2: get go. Oh, I never do that, and then you're

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Speaker 2: in the thick of it and you're going, oh, fuck,

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Speaker 2: this is really affected the way that I thought I

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Speaker 2: the lines. Something's sort of change. Now you're navigating two

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Speaker 2: near sixteen year old girls, then education is the key.

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Speaker 2: I don't think that you can ever stop it. They've

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Speaker 3: We can't stop that either.

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Speaker 2: We can continue to influence them and teach them the

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Speaker 2: side effects.

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Speaker 3: Like I'm like that with drugs.

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Speaker 2: not condemn them at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, it's going to be a totally

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Speaker 1: say we want to just try some heroin at this party.

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Speaker 3: Of probably well the answer to this one will be no.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, hard one.

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Speaker 2: To navigate that great topic because I think it's so relevant,

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Speaker 2: right now. Yeah, tough one.

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Speaker 1: Thank God, who would have thought you were there already

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Speaker 1: if only I was having just one vocka crew were

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Speaker 3: And not coming home in a police car,