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Speaker 2: Marty Mulholland, who I do Mighty Carmods with.

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Speaker 1: If we went there's this new website called YouTube, we

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Speaker 1: kept going. It's been sixteen years, over a billion views,

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Speaker 2: So that happened.

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Speaker 1: And then, yeah, about fourteen or fifteen years into that,

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Speaker 3: It's Monday morning, walking better than yesterday. I watching Ginsburg.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for being here.

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Speaker 3: We're hitting the highlights today from my chat with Blair Jocelyn.

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Speaker 3: Blair has built one of the largest and most successful

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Speaker 3: never heard of Blair, Jocelyn, just if there's a person

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Speaker 3: that's Blair. Blair is an enormously successful persons As well

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Speaker 3: as that all this stuff he does with YouTube, he's

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Speaker 4: He's a truly lovely, quite remarkable man.

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Speaker 3: Now. I first met Blair, went to his studio and

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Speaker 3: And so we've been a fair bit of our chat

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Speaker 3: It's music's just mass, it's symmetrical vibrations of air that

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Speaker 4: So I was keen to learn I want, doesn't it?

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Speaker 3: How early did he realize how his brain works of

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Speaker 1: You know what, I don't really feel like I'm that

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Speaker 4: Listen to this and sure enough, you know it's that.

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Speaker 4: He is a lovely.

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Speaker 4: Giving to others is a huge part of his life.

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Speaker 1: It was about exhausting myself. And I would sometimes exhaust

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Speaker 1: so I could go to bed, because I didn't want

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Speaker 1: to be awake all night thinking about, you know, my dad,

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Speaker 1: or thinking about what.

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Speaker 2: Was going on for me.

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Speaker 1: So I was using exercise to exhaust myself, which in

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Speaker 1: a way was using exercise like an nenterdepressdent or like alcohol.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it.

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Speaker 4: Works until it doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Essentially as I had the same thing, like eventually I

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Speaker 3: was not literally unable.

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Speaker 4: To outrun the anxiety. It wouldn't.

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Speaker 3: I would go, you went there, you were, thank you,

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Speaker 3: John cabas In maybe forty five minutes or so after

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Speaker 3: within an Hour'll be barking at the walls again.

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Speaker 4: And that's when I was like, I need a doctor. Doctor.

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Speaker 3: What do you like if you if you don't train

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Speaker 3: for a couple of days, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I train eight times a week currently, buck.

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Speaker 3: But this is why I've got to get into this

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Speaker 3: independent digital ship because like then like eight times.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's all on Monday, though.

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Speaker 4: Each set the other.

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Speaker 1: Six days off. No, I do lots of different stuff.

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Speaker 1: So I trail running, I do some carsthetics, I say,

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Speaker 1: a chiropractor, do lots of balanced stuff. I do my

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Speaker 1: CrossFit and so and then I do a couple of

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Speaker 2: Not lots of really heavy stuff.

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Speaker 1: But sometimes I go for when I was away shooting

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Speaker 1: top years sometimes we couldn't.

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Speaker 2: After a couple of days, I felt like I.

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Speaker 1: Wanted to, but it didn't feel before like I have

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Speaker 1: to do it.

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