1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:25,081 Speaker 1: Apogee Production. Welcome back to another episode about I a 2 00:00:25,081 --> 00:00:28,841 Speaker 1: Mad MoMA podcast. The content that just keeps on giving 3 00:00:29,001 --> 00:00:32,481 Speaker 1: day after day, week after week, year after year. And 4 00:00:32,521 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: from what I've heard, someone was telling me the other 5 00:00:35,641 --> 00:00:38,521 Speaker 1: day that doesn't get better into the twenties. 6 00:00:38,921 --> 00:00:42,161 Speaker 2: Yeah. I had actually now that you say that. I 7 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,561 Speaker 2: had a conversation with a lady in a shop and 8 00:00:44,601 --> 00:00:47,201 Speaker 2: she said something along the lines of how old are 9 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,601 Speaker 2: your kids? And I said, oh, I've got two girls. 10 00:00:49,601 --> 00:00:53,001 Speaker 2: I was like nine and eleven. She was like, oh, 11 00:00:53,241 --> 00:00:56,361 Speaker 2: I was saying like that, and she goes, I've got 12 00:00:56,401 --> 00:01:01,761 Speaker 2: four girls, and I've got twenty eighteen, nine and a seven. 13 00:01:02,081 --> 00:01:05,361 Speaker 2: She goes, all I can say, is the a that 14 00:01:05,361 --> 00:01:08,001 Speaker 2: you're at now is way easier than twenty. 15 00:01:08,241 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: Oh, oh my god. And what my question would have been, 16 00:01:12,521 --> 00:01:16,121 Speaker 1: what didn't you learn between the eighteen and the ninety 17 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: year olds? 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: You went back again, you went back. Have you done 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,681 Speaker 2: for four? I was like, oh, my goodness, gracious me. 20 00:01:23,721 --> 00:01:25,921 Speaker 2: I was like, wow, I said, I can't even imagine. 21 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,681 Speaker 2: She goes, if I start telling you the conversations that 22 00:01:28,721 --> 00:01:32,041 Speaker 2: I'm currently having with my twenty year old, this is 23 00:01:32,081 --> 00:01:34,321 Speaker 2: the difference, right, she said, My twenty year old, she said, 24 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: because my eighteen year old she's actually quite easy. 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,561 Speaker 1: At the moment, I feel like I've checked out by eighteen, 26 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:41,961 Speaker 1: Like I've literally done my math up until eighteen, and 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:43,801 Speaker 1: then I'm like see later, she said, I feel like it. 28 00:01:43,881 --> 00:01:47,081 Speaker 2: Actually, I think it gets worse. She said. The other day, 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,401 Speaker 2: my twenty year old told me that I was jealous 30 00:01:49,441 --> 00:01:52,361 Speaker 2: of her because I couldn't go out and drink the 31 00:01:52,401 --> 00:01:54,161 Speaker 2: way that she does and party the way that she 32 00:01:54,281 --> 00:01:57,681 Speaker 2: does anymore because I'm too old. I look at her, 33 00:01:57,801 --> 00:02:01,161 Speaker 2: I was like savage. I was like, oh, what did 34 00:02:01,201 --> 00:02:03,601 Speaker 2: you say? You just said? I didn't. I couldn't say 35 00:02:03,601 --> 00:02:07,601 Speaker 2: anything because what I really wanted to say say I 36 00:02:07,601 --> 00:02:08,201 Speaker 2: couldn't say. 37 00:02:08,721 --> 00:02:13,041 Speaker 1: My kids often compare themselves to me when I was 38 00:02:13,081 --> 00:02:15,121 Speaker 1: their eight So they will often say, what will you 39 00:02:15,161 --> 00:02:16,921 Speaker 1: do when you were sixteen? And I'm like, no, you 40 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,481 Speaker 1: can't compare that anymore, because when I was sixteen, I 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,721 Speaker 1: was like you were eighteen. I was a lot more 42 00:02:22,761 --> 00:02:24,641 Speaker 1: street smart, I was doing a lot more. I had 43 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: two jobs. So now let's have a chat about comparing 44 00:02:28,841 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: ourselves at the same age. Am I bad mum for 45 00:02:41,081 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: not wanting to invest in their future when we's been extreme. 46 00:02:50,601 --> 00:02:53,321 Speaker 2: That is so good. We didn't actually discuss what the 47 00:02:53,361 --> 00:02:54,001 Speaker 2: topic was. 48 00:02:54,161 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: No, it's not necessarily true. 49 00:02:56,041 --> 00:02:58,601 Speaker 2: No, I mean we're investing in our kids' future every 50 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,081 Speaker 2: day right now, Every single day is their future, and 51 00:03:01,121 --> 00:03:02,481 Speaker 2: we spend money every single day. 52 00:03:02,601 --> 00:03:04,201 Speaker 1: Right Do you want to know the math I did 53 00:03:04,201 --> 00:03:06,721 Speaker 1: the other day about it was one of those moments 54 00:03:06,761 --> 00:03:09,601 Speaker 1: that they're arguing that we're being rude all the rest 55 00:03:09,641 --> 00:03:11,601 Speaker 1: of it. And I turn around and I did a 56 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:16,081 Speaker 1: quick calculation in my phone and I said, it's cost 57 00:03:16,201 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: us all it will have cost us by the time 58 00:03:18,921 --> 00:03:21,841 Speaker 1: you finished school, three hundred and fifty thousand dollars ye 59 00:03:22,121 --> 00:03:30,481 Speaker 1: for your schooling, And that's not including trips, camps, equipmentforms. 60 00:03:28,841 --> 00:03:33,281 Speaker 2: Uniforms, hat replacements, hat replacements, and blazer replacements. 61 00:03:33,361 --> 00:03:36,921 Speaker 1: We've invested that money in your future. And you come 62 00:03:36,961 --> 00:03:38,801 Speaker 1: home and you tell me day after day you've got 63 00:03:38,841 --> 00:03:40,561 Speaker 1: no homework because you can't be asked to do it. 64 00:03:41,241 --> 00:03:45,281 Speaker 1: And I've invested that in you for you to tell me. 65 00:03:46,241 --> 00:03:47,721 Speaker 1: Watch Jemmie Bobbicks tonight. 66 00:03:49,121 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 2: You're going to learn more from the Kardashians on Netflix. 67 00:03:52,321 --> 00:03:55,561 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is part and parcel of like a bigger 68 00:03:55,601 --> 00:03:57,641 Speaker 1: picture here where I'm trying to get my kids not 69 00:03:57,681 --> 00:04:00,401 Speaker 1: to be so lazy. I'm trying to encourage them to 70 00:04:00,561 --> 00:04:04,361 Speaker 1: put a bit more effort into everything, and that includes 71 00:04:04,441 --> 00:04:09,881 Speaker 1: jobs at home that include schooling, homework, everything, everything, life, everything. 72 00:04:09,521 --> 00:04:11,361 Speaker 2: Just like a little bit extra if you can. 73 00:04:11,601 --> 00:04:16,481 Speaker 1: Yeah, And they have come home from school and they're 74 00:04:16,521 --> 00:04:18,921 Speaker 1: now talking about because they're in year eleven next year, 75 00:04:19,161 --> 00:04:23,161 Speaker 1: so now we're talking about atars and the different paths 76 00:04:23,161 --> 00:04:26,561 Speaker 1: they can do and different courses and subjects and all 77 00:04:26,561 --> 00:04:28,601 Speaker 1: the rest of it. Anyway, they come home and they 78 00:04:28,641 --> 00:04:32,161 Speaker 1: say to me, we really want to do nursing at TAFE. 79 00:04:32,201 --> 00:04:34,241 Speaker 1: And I just looked at them and went, you would 80 00:04:34,241 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: be terrible nurse. A rage like that sounds nasty, but 81 00:04:39,801 --> 00:04:42,561 Speaker 1: I'm keeping it real here, Like they hate blood, they've 82 00:04:42,601 --> 00:04:46,041 Speaker 1: got no compassion when I'm sick. But they're being told 83 00:04:46,081 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: by a teacher that if they do this, you know, 84 00:04:48,481 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: you get a high score and you get a teenian 85 00:04:50,921 --> 00:04:52,241 Speaker 1: and all the rest of it. And I said, Okay, 86 00:04:52,401 --> 00:04:54,801 Speaker 1: let's have a real think about what you want to do, 87 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,681 Speaker 1: like what courses you're really interested in. They really wanted 88 00:04:57,721 --> 00:05:01,521 Speaker 1: to do the acting course, but the teachers there telling 89 00:05:01,601 --> 00:05:04,321 Speaker 1: them that, And I don't understand it because I didn't 90 00:05:04,361 --> 00:05:07,361 Speaker 1: go to school in Brisbane, so it's a completely different 91 00:05:07,521 --> 00:05:10,921 Speaker 1: process to what I went through. I'm trying to learn it. 92 00:05:10,961 --> 00:05:12,081 Speaker 1: I'm trying to learn. 93 00:05:12,281 --> 00:05:14,521 Speaker 2: What they do with processes, yeah, and how. 94 00:05:14,401 --> 00:05:16,121 Speaker 1: They leave school and what they leave with and all 95 00:05:16,121 --> 00:05:18,921 Speaker 1: the rest of it. Anyway, they come home after they've 96 00:05:18,961 --> 00:05:22,321 Speaker 1: done some research and some chats with teachers and they say, 97 00:05:22,361 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: we want to do law okay, okay, And I got 98 00:05:26,761 --> 00:05:29,121 Speaker 1: them to tell me why, and what your interests are 99 00:05:29,121 --> 00:05:30,881 Speaker 1: and what you hope to do from it and what 100 00:05:30,921 --> 00:05:33,721 Speaker 1: you think you know, jobs could come from it, and 101 00:05:34,001 --> 00:05:36,601 Speaker 1: it opens up things within the police force. They've talked 102 00:05:36,641 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 1: about the police quite a lot, actually police force obviously, 103 00:05:40,401 --> 00:05:46,241 Speaker 1: other areas of law justice. There's a whole bunch. And 104 00:05:46,281 --> 00:05:50,681 Speaker 1: they basically would leave school with certification. 105 00:05:50,641 --> 00:05:52,601 Speaker 2: Or yeah good, yeah you would through chafe. 106 00:05:52,681 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. They can also get into UNI with that 107 00:05:55,761 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: if they want to, which you know, it's controversial topic. 108 00:05:58,761 --> 00:06:00,721 Speaker 1: I'm not forcing my kids to go to Union. I don't. 109 00:06:00,841 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: I feel like it's just a thing where people in 110 00:06:03,161 --> 00:06:06,841 Speaker 1: Brisbane go, oh yeah, UNI, like kind of it's a 111 00:06:06,841 --> 00:06:08,481 Speaker 1: thing where you have to go to UNI. But I'm 112 00:06:08,481 --> 00:06:12,001 Speaker 1: really big on the fact that do UNI if you 113 00:06:12,081 --> 00:06:14,601 Speaker 1: need a UNI degree for something like there are certain 114 00:06:14,681 --> 00:06:17,841 Speaker 1: things you have to have, teacher, doctor, you know, whatever 115 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,001 Speaker 1: it may be. There's also a lot of money being 116 00:06:21,161 --> 00:06:26,561 Speaker 1: spent at UNI, which takes away from the job experience 117 00:06:26,721 --> 00:06:29,401 Speaker 1: people could be getting and working their way up if 118 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,041 Speaker 1: they were to go straight into the workforce. I don't 119 00:06:32,041 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: necessarily believe that UNI is the only option, I guess, 120 00:06:36,281 --> 00:06:40,361 Speaker 1: especially when you know I and you like we come 121 00:06:40,401 --> 00:06:44,401 Speaker 1: from more creative backgrounds, right, We've done hands on physical, 122 00:06:44,641 --> 00:06:48,801 Speaker 1: creative things in our jobs where UNIS would have been 123 00:06:48,801 --> 00:06:52,841 Speaker 1: a complete waste of money and time. So yeah, definitely 124 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: not forcing them to go down that route, and to 125 00:06:55,001 --> 00:06:57,681 Speaker 1: be honest, encouraging them not to. I'm like, I've talked 126 00:06:57,681 --> 00:07:01,121 Speaker 1: to them about hextet, like we're not you know funny. 127 00:07:01,121 --> 00:07:02,961 Speaker 2: Going to say, yeah, yeah, I was going to say, yeah, 128 00:07:03,081 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: there's a different whole angle to that as well, Like 129 00:07:05,361 --> 00:07:07,241 Speaker 2: if you've paid for their schooling, you're paying for their 130 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,641 Speaker 2: UNI degree. Some parents like to not pay for schooling 131 00:07:10,721 --> 00:07:13,001 Speaker 2: but then pay for their UNI vice versa. Yeah. 132 00:07:13,121 --> 00:07:15,441 Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, this course that they want to do, 133 00:07:15,801 --> 00:07:17,281 Speaker 1: it's going to be eight thousand. 134 00:07:17,041 --> 00:07:20,201 Speaker 2: Dollars on top of the school fees. Yeah, because that 135 00:07:20,481 --> 00:07:22,361 Speaker 2: is a TAFE cost, right, Yeah? Y. 136 00:07:23,121 --> 00:07:26,121 Speaker 1: My question rate is, and I'm actually going to ask this, 137 00:07:26,241 --> 00:07:28,681 Speaker 1: My question is, do we get a reduction in school 138 00:07:28,681 --> 00:07:30,361 Speaker 1: fees if they're only going to be there four days 139 00:07:30,361 --> 00:07:32,761 Speaker 1: a week and at TAFE one day a week? Absolutely, 140 00:07:32,801 --> 00:07:33,401 Speaker 1: don't you reckon? 141 00:07:34,481 --> 00:07:37,761 Speaker 2: No? I agree that you probably should, but I doubt 142 00:07:37,841 --> 00:07:38,681 Speaker 2: that that would happen. 143 00:07:38,841 --> 00:07:41,641 Speaker 1: Yeah, but why wouldn't it happen because you should? Don't 144 00:07:41,641 --> 00:07:42,001 Speaker 1: you reckon? 145 00:07:42,121 --> 00:07:44,801 Speaker 2: Yeah? I do agree. You're paying eight You're paying another 146 00:07:44,801 --> 00:07:47,241 Speaker 2: eight thousand dollars for them to do a degree through 147 00:07:47,241 --> 00:07:48,961 Speaker 2: something else, and I know that it is going to 148 00:07:48,961 --> 00:07:52,401 Speaker 2: help them with their further studies, which is absolutely Like, 149 00:07:52,481 --> 00:07:54,041 Speaker 2: I think it's a great idea. I think it's a 150 00:07:54,041 --> 00:07:56,201 Speaker 2: great incentive. But what happens to all that? Like what 151 00:07:56,281 --> 00:07:58,641 Speaker 2: happens when you can't afford Like you would love to 152 00:07:58,641 --> 00:08:01,361 Speaker 2: go down that option, but you just can't. How do 153 00:08:01,401 --> 00:08:03,641 Speaker 2: you pay the school fees and then another eight thousand 154 00:08:03,641 --> 00:08:06,041 Speaker 2: dollars on top of that for another is that for 155 00:08:06,081 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 2: two years? 156 00:08:07,321 --> 00:08:09,081 Speaker 1: Yeah? I think it's sure that yeah. 157 00:08:09,161 --> 00:08:11,721 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So when you think about it, it's like 158 00:08:11,761 --> 00:08:16,201 Speaker 2: an additional cost. You wonder how and where people pay 159 00:08:16,321 --> 00:08:18,361 Speaker 2: for both. That's tough, it is. 160 00:08:18,721 --> 00:08:21,681 Speaker 1: And so my thing, Rach is that if this is 161 00:08:21,681 --> 00:08:24,561 Speaker 1: going to cost me an extra eight thousand dollars, is 162 00:08:24,641 --> 00:08:27,561 Speaker 1: this going to be something that you're genuinely interested in 163 00:08:27,641 --> 00:08:30,161 Speaker 1: and are going to work hard at or am I 164 00:08:30,201 --> 00:08:31,681 Speaker 1: going to be wasting that money? 165 00:08:31,841 --> 00:08:32,201 Speaker 2: Yeah? 166 00:08:32,401 --> 00:08:34,321 Speaker 1: For you to give up halfway through because you can't 167 00:08:34,321 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: be asked. 168 00:08:35,041 --> 00:08:37,641 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just a gamble. It's a gamble. It's going 169 00:08:37,681 --> 00:08:39,561 Speaker 2: to the casino and putting fifty to fifty on red 170 00:08:39,641 --> 00:08:41,961 Speaker 2: or back. It's a gamble. You don't know whether it's 171 00:08:42,001 --> 00:08:44,001 Speaker 2: going to be that way or not. Like I've done 172 00:08:44,001 --> 00:08:46,081 Speaker 2: a few courses and I've paid the money and done 173 00:08:46,081 --> 00:08:50,521 Speaker 2: the courses and gone never use that again. Exactly. It's 174 00:08:50,521 --> 00:08:53,161 Speaker 2: a gamble. You're just going to be willing to take 175 00:08:53,161 --> 00:08:55,201 Speaker 2: the gamble. And the other thing would be that they 176 00:08:55,241 --> 00:08:57,481 Speaker 2: know that it's an investment over a year and a half. 177 00:08:57,521 --> 00:09:00,241 Speaker 2: So if you're committing to this, it's a year and 178 00:09:00,281 --> 00:09:02,321 Speaker 2: a half commitment. Otherwise you're paying it back to me 179 00:09:02,401 --> 00:09:03,401 Speaker 2: with your first job. 180 00:09:05,201 --> 00:09:08,401 Speaker 1: With interest you you'd like without nine dollars an hour. 181 00:09:09,521 --> 00:09:11,641 Speaker 2: And then trying to say for a car while you're doing. 182 00:09:11,681 --> 00:09:14,961 Speaker 1: Is it because you want to be able to go Absolutely, 183 00:09:15,041 --> 00:09:17,761 Speaker 1: I want to see your dreams come true. Absolutely I 184 00:09:17,801 --> 00:09:21,121 Speaker 1: will invest and you know, give you the best in life. 185 00:09:21,641 --> 00:09:25,121 Speaker 1: But also at the same time, so far, I'm not 186 00:09:25,201 --> 00:09:28,761 Speaker 1: really seeing much return on my investment. It's not that 187 00:09:28,841 --> 00:09:31,601 Speaker 1: I don't believe in you. It's kind of just a 188 00:09:31,761 --> 00:09:33,721 Speaker 1: you know, I'll believe it when I see it kind 189 00:09:33,721 --> 00:09:34,241 Speaker 1: of vibes. 190 00:09:36,841 --> 00:09:40,961 Speaker 2: I just yeah, I can't say anything because I'm like, 191 00:09:41,281 --> 00:09:45,481 Speaker 2: I get it. I totally agree. Actually, if I'm really honest, 192 00:09:45,561 --> 00:09:49,081 Speaker 2: like I agree, and I would be saying to them, 193 00:09:49,521 --> 00:09:54,401 Speaker 2: how do you instill faith in me so that I, 194 00:09:54,801 --> 00:09:56,921 Speaker 2: you know, like I have full faith that you're going 195 00:09:56,961 --> 00:09:59,201 Speaker 2: to do this? How are you going to like sell 196 00:09:59,241 --> 00:10:02,241 Speaker 2: me the dream to tell me that you're going to 197 00:10:02,361 --> 00:10:05,601 Speaker 2: use this eight thousand dollars because it's really also and 198 00:10:05,641 --> 00:10:08,281 Speaker 2: I'm not being that person, but like in grade eleven, 199 00:10:08,641 --> 00:10:10,281 Speaker 2: I did not have a clue what I was doing, 200 00:10:10,521 --> 00:10:14,641 Speaker 2: as in after school, right for your girls in particular, 201 00:10:14,801 --> 00:10:18,121 Speaker 2: they're really creative. They're really good at like all the 202 00:10:18,761 --> 00:10:21,681 Speaker 2: podcasting and the you know that background stuff, and you 203 00:10:21,721 --> 00:10:24,921 Speaker 2: know that's a real creative part of your brain. So 204 00:10:25,481 --> 00:10:28,161 Speaker 2: it would just be tough to understand that they want 205 00:10:28,161 --> 00:10:31,161 Speaker 2: to put that creative part into law. 206 00:10:33,121 --> 00:10:36,041 Speaker 1: Worst case scenario, right if you see me hopping on 207 00:10:36,081 --> 00:10:38,161 Speaker 1: the bus once a week with my lunch box going 208 00:10:38,201 --> 00:10:41,561 Speaker 1: to take to do the law course that I paid 209 00:10:41,601 --> 00:10:44,201 Speaker 1: for that no one else is interested in, then you know, 210 00:10:44,441 --> 00:10:45,321 Speaker 1: didn't go to plan. 211 00:10:47,161 --> 00:10:53,121 Speaker 2: You'd be considered what they would call a mature age.