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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Pit Talk, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Shannon's On today's episode, after three big mistakes in twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours that sent him crashing out of the race,

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Speaker 1: what's behind Oscar Piastre's dire weekend in Baku? And after

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Speaker 1: maxistaff and claims another dominant victory, is he really back

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Speaker 1: in the drivers Championship battle? My name is Michael Lomonato.

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Speaker 1: It's great to have your company and the company of

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Speaker 1: my co host. Even he couldn't have predicted that the

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Speaker 1: red flag count would be higher in the Land of Fire.

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Speaker 1: It's Matt Clayton. It doesn't get any higher than six,

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Speaker 1: doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: As we discovered as we were watching this on Saturday

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Speaker 2: night Australian Time, and you and I were swapping messages

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Speaker 2: on Saturday night saying, thank goodness this was a ten

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Speaker 2: pm Eastern qualifying for Australian Time. Because if this was

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Speaker 2: Qatar or somewhere else, know where, you're saying up at

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Speaker 2: three or four o'clock in the morning and there's lots

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Speaker 2: of things to hit at various circuits, we wouldn't have

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Speaker 2: been very happy about it. But yes, qualifying was longer

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Speaker 2: than the actual Grand Prix. But yeah, it was that

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Speaker 2: sort of weekend, wasn't it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely right. It's still at Bill's cruel though that

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Speaker 1: Australian get one on the Eastern coast, get one, nice

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Speaker 1: time zone and it still finishes after midnight, which is disappointing.

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Speaker 1: Get your acts together for Ward one drivers, But the

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Speaker 1: more interesting session of the weekend, it turns out, and

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Speaker 1: did set us up for an interesting result at least

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Speaker 1: in the context of the championship for Max with staff

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Speaker 1: and the winner. Even in his words, it was pretty

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Speaker 1: straightforward at the front. We will get to him a

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Speaker 1: little bit later on, but qualifying more or less ended.

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Speaker 1: One of the final chapters of qualifying was with Oscar

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Speaker 1: Piastre crashing into the barriers without a time in Q

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Speaker 1: three that left him ninth on the grid. Not that

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Speaker 1: it mattered too much anyway, because a false start followed

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Speaker 1: by a crash on the first lap meant he made

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Speaker 1: it no further, did not finish a Grand Prix for

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Speaker 1: the first time in a very long time. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he's broken his forty two round scoring streak and his

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Speaker 1: forty four race finishing streak and remarkable statistics. I think

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Speaker 1: we talked about this last week, Matt, didn't we when

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Speaker 1: would it end? It turns out immediately it.

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Speaker 2: Was funny because we were kind of temp fate with this,

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Speaker 2: but there was also part of it where because there

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Speaker 2: were so many rounds to go. I think the point

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Speaker 2: we were trying to make last year is that you

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Speaker 2: would expect that there is going to be a race

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Speaker 2: rewrite Formula one history if this record is going to

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Speaker 2: stay intact. And there's a reason that we were talking

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Speaker 2: about it because it had never happened in seventy five

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Speaker 2: at some point there's probably going to be that race

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Speaker 2: weekend where someone crashes they do and bought the car

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Speaker 2: breaks down. Turns out that neither of those two things happened.

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Speaker 2: He was very capable of having two accidents by himself.

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Speaker 2: But if you're going to have your DNF A couple

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Speaker 2: of thoughts, well, three thoughts. A. You mentioned the fantastic

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Speaker 2: see five quarters of the Australia's world Championship leader before

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Speaker 2: he crashed out on that nice time slot. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: but if you're going to have a weekend like that,

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Speaker 2: better to do it with more races to go so

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Speaker 2: also better to do it on a weekend where your

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Speaker 2: teammate has an open goal and manages to somehow spray

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Speaker 2: learned a lot this weekend in Azerbaijan, and I think

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Speaker 2: there's a three part thing for me. Do I have

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Speaker 2: any less faith that Oscar Piastre is going to win

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Speaker 2: the World Championship? No? Do I have any more faith

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Speaker 2: that Maxivstappan could win the World Championship? Absolutely do. I

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Speaker 2: am I changing my opinion on whether I think Lando

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Speaker 2: Norris is going to win the World Championship. Absolutely not,

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Speaker 2: because I didn't think he was going to win it

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Speaker 2: to win it now. To only take six points off Piastre,

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Speaker 2: and I know we'll get to this where you had

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Speaker 1: Yes, well not even one open goal, but two, because

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Speaker 1: I've been qualifying in the race. Yeah, open goals totally miss.

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Speaker 1: Let's pick up those three points that you very neatly

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Speaker 1: Piastre's uncharacteristically scrappy weekend Following this weekend, obviously from start

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Speaker 1: that's not that unusual for Oscar Piastrido to come out

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Speaker 1: on a Friday and not look like he's got things together,

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Speaker 1: but inevitably, or at least until now, inevitably would come

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Speaker 1: back on Saturday morning show he's done his homework, probably

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Speaker 1: when even in Saturday practice he still didn't look like

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling increasingly confident saying this was his worst weekend

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Speaker 1: and I think more so because Matt there didn't seem

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Speaker 2: The whole weekend, it felt like he was chasing his tail,

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Speaker 2: and that's not a position that we feel even when

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Speaker 2: but there's always a sense that, no, no, I've got this,

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Speaker 2: I'm in control. It's fine, and the results have borne

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Speaker 2: while he's been on this incredible finishing streak that we

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Speaker 2: he was in control. Not out of control in a

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Speaker 2: the development of his weekend felt like it wasn't going

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Speaker 2: doesn't really feel like the ideal build up, and as

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Speaker 2: Some of the things he's saying at the moment, I'm

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Speaker 2: But the point that he made where he said along

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Speaker 2: And to my mind that was the thing with Piastre

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Speaker 2: and the wheels are wobbling and he's feeling the pressure

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I personally don't buy. And to be fair,

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Speaker 1: idea that he's suddenly feeling the championship pressure, because why now,

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Speaker 1: well that last year, the title picture is not really

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Speaker 1: him and ten rounds to go doesn't really make a

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Speaker 1: lot of sense. And it's worth pointing out the last

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Speaker 1: time he made a race changing mistake like this, although

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Speaker 1: there were far more mitigating circumstances, was in Australia. We

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Speaker 1: in China and was at a pretty straight trajectory back

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Speaker 1: I'd be surprised if we saw anything other than a

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Speaker 1: he hasn't performed that well relative to Norris. So if

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Speaker 1: Norris side of things now, talked about an open goal

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Speaker 1: being missed if you asked him, certainly was not a

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Speaker 1: missed opportunity, thank you. Very much and stop asking about

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Speaker 1: it please. It was too in fact in qualifying, and

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Speaker 1: Paul was out of reach considering that Maximstaff and poll

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Speaker 1: only there in the race I think was pretty disappointing,

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Speaker 1: even if it was a weekend. As you say that

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Speaker 1: you think. I almost think this is a little bit

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Speaker 1: of an underrated part of the story. Obviously, the big

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Speaker 2: blar weekend for them, then we're going to have to

433
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Speaker 2: have a serious conversation about a storyline we did not

434
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Speaker 2: see coming.

435
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this is I think it's almost less

436
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Speaker 1: of a numbers game and more what the next I'm

437
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Speaker 1: going to say two results are I think Singapore is

438
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Speaker 1: an important one, Like you say the status the only

439
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Speaker 1: I think the only track on the calendar he hasn't

440
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Speaker 1: won at. Correct, that's a track red bull racing in

441
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Speaker 1: the recent era at least hasn't gone that well at either.

442
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Speaker 1: And it's latest line of two or three or four cars,

443
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: and it's a track that plays with a lot of weaknesses,

444
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Speaker 1: not so much the downforce levels but riding the curves

445
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Speaker 1: and bumpinesses of the track. Heat should also play the

446
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Speaker 1: McLaren's hands. If Max can win there, then suddenly it

447
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Speaker 1: does look like this upgraded car is a more all

448
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Speaker 1: round performer. And then after that we go to the

449
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Speaker 1: United States, which non paper is the McLaren circuit of

450
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Speaker 1: the next few because it's got such a variety of

451
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Speaker 1: different speed corners. If Max can win there, then I

452
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Speaker 1: think you're looking at a scenario where maybe he can

453
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Speaker 1: do it. The circumstances are totally different. But don't forget

454
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Speaker 1: that in twenty thirteen Sabash and reddle one all nine

455
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Speaker 1: of the last races after not looking like anything like

456
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Speaker 1: that kind of run was going to be possible that year.

457
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Speaker 1: Very easy to reflect on the vetal years and think

458
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Speaker 1: he just won all of them, but no, I think

459
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Speaker 1: he won only two or three in the first half

460
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Speaker 1: of the year and then just dominate it the second half.

461
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Speaker 1: It could be possible. We could be at the very

462
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Speaker 1: beginning of a verstapen that bit, what would be a

463
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Speaker 1: nine round victory streak to get to the end of

464
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Speaker 1: the year. It is possible, and then you only need

465
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Speaker 1: one or two trip ups from McLaren to suddenly not

466
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Speaker 1: require results to go his way for him to do

467
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Speaker 1: it himself. It returns to being on his own bat

468
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Speaker 1: So I think it's almost not so much the results

469
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Speaker 1: as it is not so much the points, rather so

470
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Speaker 1: much as it is the next couple of results that

471
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Speaker 1: will set the tone. And I think that puts a

472
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Speaker 1: really interesting pressure on McLaren because for the last as

473
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Speaker 1: much as they've been saying, you know, it's never over

474
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Speaker 1: till it's over, for the last couple of months, it's

475
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Speaker 1: been clear that they were probably going to win the

476
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Speaker 1: driver's title anyway, and I think had settled into that

477
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Speaker 1: mindset whereby you do make decisions like you do in Italy,

478
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Speaker 1: which is that we're only racing against each other. We

479
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Speaker 1: are dictating the entire environment. We will make decisions that

480
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Speaker 1: suit the fairness of environment. Whatever. Fine, we can move

481
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Speaker 1: past that as a decision in that context. But suddenly

482
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Speaker 1: you have this third stressor and you have to think

483
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Speaker 1: about fairness to use the McLaren principle or value in

484
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Speaker 1: a completely different way because you can't control what's fair

485
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Speaker 1: in racing if you can't control that third variable, which

486
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Speaker 1: is maxistappened. So I think that's very interesting, and I'll

487
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Speaker 1: just put in here a reminder. I guess that at

488
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Speaker 1: the start of the year Zach Brown said he would

489
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Speaker 1: prefer to lose the driver's title and enact team orders

490
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Speaker 1: to ensure he wins it against Max for staffen So

491
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Speaker 1: that is the backdrop of the seat that didn't seem

492
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Speaker 1: like it was relevant at the time. Maybe that's why

493
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Speaker 1: he felt free to say it now, maybe it is

494
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Speaker 1: a little bit more relevance. I think that is a

495
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Speaker 1: really interesting twist, and part of it look obviously well,

496
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Speaker 1: I am impartial as a journalist. I'm impartial as an Australian.

497
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Speaker 1: Be great to have an Australian winner after four fight

498
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Speaker 1: nearly five decades, But what a story max with Staffen

499
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Speaker 1: comes back from here. As a journalist, I'm biased towards

500
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Speaker 1: the story and that's what's exciting.

501
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Speaker 2: That's what we do. I mean, journal's people get this,

502
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: people get this twisted all the time. Journal's generally cheer

503
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Speaker 2: for the best story because they're the wor's best ones

504
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Speaker 2: to tell and talk about and write about. And this

505
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Speaker 2: would be because we didn't really see it coming. Would

506
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Speaker 2: be an astonishing story. But I'm thinking of two things here.

507
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Speaker 2: I'm looking back to races earlier this year where Verstappen

508
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Speaker 2: just poured points down the toil. I remember how angry

509
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Speaker 2: he got with George Russell at the end of CATALOONYA

510
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: like just throwing points away. Wouldn't those points be handy

511
00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: right now? But I'm also trying to imagine. Can you

512
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Speaker 2: imagine the broadcast if McLaren decides to prioritize Piastre over

513
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: Morris and ask and ask Norris to play the dutiful

514
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: wingman vulterie Botas style. How is that going to go down?

515
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,119
Speaker 2: It will literally be black armbands for the rest of

516
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Speaker 2: the season, I think.

517
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Speaker 1: Again, I hope for the story, but let's red now,

518
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Speaker 1: because well, this has got plenty of time to run

519
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Speaker 1: with so many rounds still remaking the season, Let's move

520
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Speaker 1: on to Move of the Week, brought to you by Shannon's.

521
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Speaker 1: Like we said, wasn't absolutely action packed with overtaking him Bacu.

522
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Speaker 1: Perhaps the race didn't quite live up to the billing

523
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Speaker 1: after qualifying promised so much, but we've got some interesting results.

524
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Speaker 1: But what moves caught your eye this weekend?

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Speaker 2: Am I allowed to say the move of Harry Benjamin

526
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Speaker 2: into the commentary mood? I just didn't know. Let's not

527
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: say that even though I just did. Now there are

528
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 2: only twenty five overtakes in this Grand Prix. I did

529
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Speaker 2: do some research before we got on, and obviously the

530
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Speaker 2: race lasted half an hour less than qualifying, So I

531
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Speaker 2: guess we've got a liverit to time for these overtakes

532
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Speaker 2: to happen. But to my mind, mover of the week

533
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Speaker 2: is Liam Lawson qualifying third and finishing fifth, but more

534
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Speaker 2: holding his nerve for those last fifteen laps with this

535
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Speaker 2: huge train of faster cars bearing down him, and given

536
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Speaker 2: you know how tenuous his situation looks, and obviously he's

537
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: had so much, you know, he said, such a tumultuous

538
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 2: year anyway, obviously being promoted to Red Bull, demoted within

539
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Speaker 2: two races, if there was ever going to be an

540
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Speaker 2: opportunity to be probably higher than you should be and

541
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Speaker 2: then maybe drop the ball and lose a position, he

542
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 2: was absolutely flawless for those last fifteen laps of that race,

543
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Speaker 2: and I enjoyed watching it because it was a serious

544
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Speaker 2: pressure point situation that everyone knew. He knew it, his

545
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Speaker 2: team knew it, All of the other drivers in the

546
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Speaker 2: train behind him knew it. Sometimes you're not just rac

547
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Speaker 2: the current in front of you, you're racing the person

548
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Speaker 2: that's driving the curR in front of you because you

549
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Speaker 2: know their vulnerabilities or the narrative behind their story. It

550
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Speaker 2: was a situation where there was a lot to lose

551
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Speaker 2: for Lawson in those last fifteen laps, the fact that

552
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Speaker 2: he was able to convert on that career best finish,

553
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Speaker 2: but more the way he handled the back end of

554
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Speaker 2: that race. I know it's not technically a move as such,

555
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Speaker 2: there weren't many moves, but his ability to keep the

556
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Speaker 2: drivers behind him in such a high pressure situation, to

557
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Speaker 2: my mind, that's kind of move of the week for me.

558
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think you can give him the move

559
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Speaker 1: that he put on Yuki Sonoda to take back that

560
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Speaker 1: position after the final pit stops. If you wanted to

561
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Speaker 1: strictly speak and qualify for of the week, then sure

562
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Speaker 1: that was there.

563
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Speaker 2: You know, I like to stretch the definition of this

564
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Speaker 2: and you tend to be a bit more literal. So

565
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you've actually got one of these twenty five

566
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Speaker 2: overtakes is probably on your list, but I just don't

567
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Speaker 2: know which one.

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was one of the ones on my

569
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Speaker 1: list because of that story. But the other, but in retrospect,

570
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Speaker 1: actually was not a move. It was an attempted move

571
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Speaker 1: or was a defensive move, and that was Andrea Kimi Antonelli.

572
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Speaker 1: In the end, it was defending Russell at the safety

573
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Speaker 1: car restart for what I think was fourth or fifth

574
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Speaker 1: of the time, pushed him, probably slightly borderline for a

575
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Speaker 1: teammate on teammate defensive move, pushing him towards a barrier

576
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Speaker 1: at turn one. But I really liked it because he

577
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Speaker 1: had a great weekend Antonal. It wasn't, obviously at the

578
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Speaker 1: level of George Russell, who Despine as total Wolf seemed

579
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Speaker 1: to be describing, was halfway to being deceased before the

580
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Speaker 1: weekend started. Finished second, nonetheless, and if you hear some

581
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Speaker 1: of his team radio during Friday practice, he did sound

582
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Speaker 1: extremely grim. Apparently Vultrie Potass was limbering up just in case.

583
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Speaker 1: But Antony had a very solid weekend, exactly the weekend

584
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Speaker 1: he needed. After the last couple of rounds, did not crash,

585
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Speaker 1: which was a great tick for him, had the pace

586
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Speaker 1: in qualifying, had great race pace. Still, we shouldn't be

587
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Speaker 1: surprised he continues to lack polish in his rookie year

588
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 1: as a teenager after only four years racing cars or

589
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Speaker 1: whatever exactly it is. But it was the weekend he

590
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Speaker 1: needed to steady after the European campaign, and also though

591
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Speaker 1: continues this unusual trend of whenever he's not racing in Europe,

592
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Speaker 1: he looks pretty good, like he looked at this like good.

593
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Speaker 1: At the start before we arrived in Europe, he scored

594
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Speaker 1: no points until the very end of the European season

595
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Speaker 1: except for his main podium in Canada. Yes, and then

596
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Speaker 1: now that we're back on tracks that are outside of Europe,

597
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: he looks pretty good again. So I was pleased to

598
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Speaker 1: say it.

599
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 2: Canada definitely not Europe, just like Azerbaijan, definitely not Europe.

600
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Speaker 2: But no, I do. I did like the response because,

601
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: for the first time after MON'SO Toto, Wolford poured the

602
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: asseid on him a little bit, and it was probably

603
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Speaker 2: a little bit over due. He'd been quite protected, as

604
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Speaker 2: you could imagine of Antonelli. I thought the response was terrific,

605
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: and the move in and of itself, yeah, a little

606
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 2: bit borderline on your teammate, But I like the fact

607
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: that he went for it. But we were talking before

608
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Speaker 2: about six red flags in qualifying. If I had told you,

609
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,919
Speaker 2: if you hadn't seen qualifying and there were six red flags,

610
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: you would one hundred percent have his name next to

611
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Speaker 2: one of them, wouldn't you. So the fact that he

612
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Speaker 2: wasn't the cause of any of the red flags another

613
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Speaker 2: big tick for him.

614
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Speaker 1: Yes, a very successful weekend and andre Kimi Antonelli and

615
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Speaker 1: Mercedes up to second in the Constructors Championship a heaven

616
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Speaker 1: Ferrari as a result, so no bad thing for them.

617
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Speaker 1: I want to look at, of course, the other story

618
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 1: of this weekend now, which was Carlos Signs finishing on

619
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Speaker 1: the podium for the first time as a Williams driver.

620
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: Qualified second, probably actually incredibly had the speed to qualify

621
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Speaker 1: on pole, but didn't quite nail his fastest lap. That

622
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: was just about the only mistake if we want to

623
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Speaker 1: call it that we want to call qualifying second in

624
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: the Williams that he made all weekend because he finished

625
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: a pretty flawless third in the race, got that podium trophy,

626
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: was very pumped about it. Williams is very excited about it.

627
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: Suddenly it feels like the Carlos scigence switch is all

628
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: moving in the right direction and validating for Williams's improvement

629
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Speaker 1: this year as well. But it felt to me Matt

630
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 1: also that I think he realized he needed this result

631
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: more than he simply wanted it, obviously, because I couldn't

632
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: help but notice that at every opportunity he did not

633
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: pass up the chance to say, well, I've been fast

634
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: all year, I've been quick with the transition, been far.

635
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: I've been quick a year. We've just needed the chance

636
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Speaker 1: to do it, which is partly true. His qualifying pha

637
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: has been good, but I think it's fair to say

638
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: he has at least some responsibility for the lack of points,

639
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: but not this weekend. This weekend he was pretty much

640
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: perfect well.

641
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: And that's been the weird thing about his season in

642
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: that it's been a season of not really executing, which

643
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: is not something you would have expected from him after

644
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 2: his time at Ferrari, because it always felt like he

645
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: executed quite well there. And I mean, look, you can

646
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: take a victory lap with a bit of recncy bias,

647
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 2: can't you know when you've scored almost as many points

648
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 2: on one Sunday as you have for the remaining the

649
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 2: rest of the season put together. Before we got to back,

650
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 2: I think he gained six places in the Driver's Championship

651
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: in one fell swoop. But you're right, it was just

652
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: a weekend of you know, yeah, you can take points

653
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 2: off him for the Q three era as such, that

654
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: maybe cost him pole position. Other than that, it looked

655
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 2: so nailed on and assured. There was never a point

656
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 2: in the race where you thought, well, that's kind of

657
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: the end of that. I mean, yes, he got jumped

658
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: by Russell. The Mercedes is faster. George Russell just quietly

659
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 2: sort of stealth MVP the season. Now, I quite frank,

660
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: he's been so good, He's been incredibly good for a

661
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 2: lot of the season. But it was a really deserved result.

662
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 2: But a couple of things came to mind for me.

663
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 2: Won the fact that in the driver Merry Go round

664
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 2: of last year, I think you would have had a

665
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: hard time convincing too many people that Carlos sites would

666
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 2: have been on a Grand Prix podium before the man

667
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 2: that replaced him at Ferrari and Lewis Hamilton. And also,

668
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: now you'll have to correct me on this, because I

669
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: know George Russell was on the podium in that nonsense

670
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 2: Belgium Grand Prix. That wasn't where they waited four hours

671
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 2: to do two laps in the rain a few years

672
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 2: ago their previous podium, Williams would have been this. I

673
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: should have looked at this before we got on twenty

674
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: nineteen or something. As I said about it.

675
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: Right, No, it's close, it's twenty seventeen seventy my Jean

676
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: grand Prix.

677
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 2: Oh, of course, well another driver who somehow was ahead

678
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: of his teammate in the standings. Yes, it's of course, yes,

679
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: beating across the line right at the death by valchery

680
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: botas so you go God, twenty seventeen.

681
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: That's incredible, long time ago, isn't it, Between real podiums

682
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: as opposed to that fake podium of twenty twenty one.

683
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: The Lewis Hamilton comparison one, he's an interesting one and

684
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: I thought Carlos classically outed away the question. The question

685
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: had to be asked, but the question nonetheless about all

686
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: It's funny, isn't it that you've got your podium first?

687
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: Before it was? Compton did, But it's funny to think obviously,

688
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 1: had he stayed at Ferrari, we can only assume he

689
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: would have had probably a handful of podiums by now.

690
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: I think Charlotte clai is sitting on five podiums, five

691
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: or six podiums for the season despite someone having none.

692
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: So signs having already been established there, we knew he

693
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: was pretty much a match for Lacleur. More or less

694
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: over the last couple years, would have got a few,

695
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: do you think. And I know we're not at the

696
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: end of the season yet, we don't know what the

697
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: last seven races are going to hold in store, But

698
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: which driver has won out of this change? Because while

699
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: Carlos signs obviously much further down the temperature order, probably

700
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: is further away from a potential title than Hamilton is

701
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: to his next one on paper, but it feels to

702
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: me like his at the moment and recent advice is

703
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: a player role here, because before the podium it was

704
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: looking a little bit grimmer. But it feels like he's

705
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 1: actually emerged a head out of this switch, except for

706
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 1: the fact his bank account isn't being inflated at quite

707
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: the same range.

708
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: Well, and that's maybe the answer to your question is

709
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: both and neither at the same time, because yes, you've

710
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 2: got the Lewis Hamilton goes to Ferrari, what an amazing story,

711
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: final chapter of his career, so on and so forth,

712
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 2: and Science in Prospect is like, all right, Williams is

713
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: not an a list team or maybe even a b

714
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: blusted list team right now, You've got a driver that's

715
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: proven to be a top flight driver and we'll find

716
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: out how good Alex albon Is and so on and

717
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: so forth. There's a lot of ways you can say

718
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: both drivers won in that situation, but there's also a

719
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 2: way you can say that neither of them have won

720
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 2: because Hamilton's first season at Ferrari has been particularly underwhelming.

721
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: They couldn't even execute a positions swap the night properly

722
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 2: on the final lap. I mean, if anything sums up

723
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 2: Ferrari's twenty twenty five, it's like you can't even swap

724
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: positions for three World Championship points, sorry, three six World

725
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 2: Championship points properly on the final lap of a race,

726
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: like what are we doing here? But also the science question.

727
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 2: The interesting part for me is that, yeah, a great result, right,

728
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: and the sort of podium he would expect someone of

729
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: his caliber to take. He has been so comprehensively the

730
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: second best Williams driver for the entire season. And as

731
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: much as you know we were saying before, how we

732
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 2: just cheered the story with these sorts of things, we

733
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: don't care about the people necessarily. I felt a little

734
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: bit sorry for Alex albon because he's had such a

735
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: good season and he's clearly been their best driver, and

736
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: it felt that if there was a result like this

737
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 2: that was going to come to one of their drivers

738
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: that probably should go to him, And obviously he had

739
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 2: his error in qualified or hit the wall and a

740
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: bit of a scrappy race and so on and so forth,

741
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 2: and yeah, he's his teammate who he has absolutely smashed

742
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: in the boys table the entire year, bombs up and

743
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 2: takes a podium on a weekend where McClaren would nowhere,

744
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 2: Ferrari were tripping over themselves on the finish line and

745
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: there was only one Red Bull going to score a podium. Obviously,

746
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: it was a sort of weekend that a team like

747
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 2: a Williams or maybe an Aston Martin or someone should

748
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 2: have come through and actually had a really strong result,

749
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: and of all the people that did it, it wasn't Alex Albon.

750
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Speaker 1: I do feel a little bit bad Alex, because he's done.

751
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: He's had done the hard yards of Williams. Really, he's

752
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,120
Speaker 1: been there from a pretty ordinary start of his career

753
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: there to now when it does look like these random

754
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: results could come his way, and they have not come

755
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 1: his way, at least not yet. There is time to

756
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: run this season. But I thought this weekend was a

757
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: great example of why Williams has Carlos Science on the

758
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: books because his Sunday poor execution and not all just

759
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: down to him. Some of it's poor team execution. That is,

760
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 1: the team has been inconsistent this year, and some of

761
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 1: it has been bad luck as well, but we shouldn't

762
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 1: underplay that science has contributed to some of it, despite

763
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: his protestations otherwise. But this week and it showed, you

764
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: know that strategizing from the cockpit, his great view of

765
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: the race overall while being in the race without having

766
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 1: the pitball perspective, his ability to sort of really focus

767
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 1: and be consistent on the track, Like his lap times

768
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: when he thought he could still merge ahead of George

769
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: Russell were really phenomenally consistent, and he got very close

770
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: to keeping ahead Russell before that pissed off. I think

771
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: had Russell emerged behind him, he would have finished second.

772
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: So the performance was so good. He has been lacking.

773
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: But I think if we treat these moves, and I

774
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: inclined to treat the Hamilton move, but I want to

775
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 1: talk about him in just a second as well, with

776
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 1: the view that it's all about next year, then I

777
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: think we kind of have seen just enough from science

778
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: to know, all right, you've got to put it together

779
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: next year. But it's clear that you haven't gone there

780
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: and been found out and embarrassed by a driver who's

781
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: actually much better than you.

782
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 2: No, no, not at all. I mean is an argument

783
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 2: for another podcast one day. It might be the second

784
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 2: best driver line up in Formula one. Yeah, and I

785
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 2: think there's actually a decent argument there. You mentioned something

786
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: that I do really like about him. There's a cerebral

787
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 2: way of the way he goes about his Grand Prix

788
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 2: racing in terms of you talked about managing the race

789
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,280
Speaker 2: and calling the shots from the cockpit, and we remember

790
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 2: that at Ferrari, where they were seemed to just be

791
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 2: calamitous decisions from one and he'd be the person being

792
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 2: their dissenting voice, going no, no, we shouldn't do this,

793
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 2: but we should do this, or the other way around.

794
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 2: It reminds me very much of I've always enjoyed the

795
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 2: way Fernando a Lotso has managed races when he's in

796
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 2: a position to do something, and Science is probably the

797
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 2: driver that reminds me the most of a lot So

798
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 2: in that regard, in that he's got much more of

799
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 2: a three hundred and sixty degree view of everything that's

800
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: going on in the race itself, not just his race,

801
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,919
Speaker 2: not just that moment in time, but everything that's going

802
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 2: on more globally other than a lot. So he might

803
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 2: be one of the best in the business at doing that,

804
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: and I do enjoy the way he is able to

805
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 2: capitalize on an opportunity to get a good result. It

806
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: was a hallmark of his time at Ferrari and it

807
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 2: was very much evident in Baku on Sunday.

808
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think we should be excited to

809
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 1: see Williams move up the order the next year, because

810
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: I think that lineup can do a lot of damage

811
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: to teams that maybe haven't nailed it next year, or

812
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 1: perhaps Williams does even better than anyone's expecting and they

813
00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 1: are towards the point end of field. But I want

814
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: to close just with the brief comment on Ferrari and

815
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,480
Speaker 1: Lewis Hamilinon's weekend you touched on it. It was pretty disappointing

816
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: all round, failing to execute a team order. One think

817
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: the Ferrari traditional is meant to be a good apt

818
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 1: and they failed it on the line like the last

819
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: lap over eighth and ninth place and even Charlotte Clair,

820
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: despite being a little bit frustrated by the lack of

821
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: respect for racing rule, said look, it's for place I

822
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: don't really care, and it wouldn't have made me any

823
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: happier to finish eighth. I thought it was a little

824
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: bit unncessarily for them to switch positions, considering they had

825
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: different strategies. I know that it's often done anyway, but

826
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: I mean the whole thing was just a bit pointless,

827
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: which is the sad thing, because after Friday it looked

828
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: like Ferrari was on for a good weekend, perhaps not

829
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 1: quite to the level of good that Lewis Hamilton was

830
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: talking about as a pole contender and maybe a race winner,

831
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: possibly a podium getto who knows, in a different universe.

832
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: But execution, despite having a car that should have been

833
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: up there roughly up there, just seemed so poor in

834
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: a way that I think undermines a little bit of

835
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 1: the positivity that had been built up in the last

836
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: month or two, where it felt like, Okay, this season's

837
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:42,919
Speaker 1: clearly not gonna be anywhere near as good as even

838
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: last year, but that at least if they can end

839
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: the year looking like they know what they're doing then

840
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: there can be a little bit more positivity for twenty

841
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 1: twenty six, when it will count for a lot more.

842
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: And I actually thought Ferrari perhaps reminded us that as

843
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: much as Louis Hamilton's been underwhelming this year, the bigger

844
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: problem is the team and where it is in this story.

845
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: I don't know what you're talking about. They're just building

846
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,760
Speaker 2: up for their fantastic last five rounds of the season

847
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 2: where they look really really good and storm to second

848
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 2: place in the Constructors Championship and Hope springs a turtle

849
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: and then we repeat the same cycle all over again.

850
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 2: But the whole thing's just so underwhelming. It's got to

851
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 2: the point now where any other team that would have

852
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: a good Friday, I'd be like, all right, I've got

853
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 2: my eyes on this. I wonder how this is going

854
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 2: to shake out. With Ferrari. My general response at the moment,

855
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: it's just like, sure, I have massive trust issues with

856
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 2: whatever it is that they do early in the weekend

857
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 2: where it's all promising, and you know, Hamilton was practically

858
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 2: giddy when he was doing his media debriefs on Friday,

859
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: like he's the most excited person of all time. This

860
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: is fantastic, and we know that he can ride a

861
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 2: bit of an emotional rollercoaster, even in his later years

862
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: of his career. But when it does go sideways, you're

863
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: not in the least bit surprised anymore. And I think

864
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: you mentioned before, I mean Charlie Clare kind of shrugging

865
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: your shoulders and going, well, you know, it's only over

866
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 2: two points. Who cares? It's almost like what's going to

867
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 2: be written on the obituary of Ferrari's twenty twenty five season.

868
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 2: Yet another season where they don't we neither the drivers

869
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: or Constructors Championship Ferrari, it's only two points? Who cares?

870
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 2: That will be the tagline for the end of season video.

871
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 2: Perhaps who cares?

872
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 1: Just in general really does some things up. So an

873
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: interesting couple of results up and down the grid in Azerbaijan,

874
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 1: and potentially a little twist the championship as well. But

875
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: we can't wrap up without checking in on the Crystal Ball,

876
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,440
Speaker 1: brought to you by Complete Home Filtration. I only remember

877
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 1: the predictions that I don't get right, which is most

878
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 1: weeks between us Matt, we promised a Charlotte Claire pole

879
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: and victory.

880
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 2: Wow, that went well, just don't listen to the previous

881
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: five minutes of the podcast. But no, that clearly didn't happen.

882
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: So in the spirit of try to actually come up

883
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: with something that will happen in the Crystal Ball, and

884
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 2: we kind of touched on this a little bit earlier,

885
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 2: I'm saying that Max for Stappen's going to win Singapore

886
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 2: because you've never won Singapore and we all know that

887
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 2: Max fa Stappin loves an external stimulus. At this point,

888
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 2: and again let's cheer for that. Now, there are still

889
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 2: six rounds that follow Singapore. That's six or one third

890
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 2: of an entire Formula One season. Back in the day,

891
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 2: I would love him to win Singapore. Like, irrespective of

892
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 2: what McLaren do, they can be second or third or whatever.

893
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: I still can't see for Stapham winning the title. If

894
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: you had to ask me to invest some of my

895
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 2: heart earned on the prospect of him perhaps splitting the

896
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: McLaren's in the driver's standings by the end of the season,

897
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: I think I might have to give him a credit

898
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 2: card details because this might be happening and if he wins.

899
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: If he wins Singapore at this point, then is there

900
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: a roadmap to him finishing second in the Driver's Championship

901
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: and making the back end of this season a little

902
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: bit nervy for McLaren. Yeah, absolutely there is. So I

903
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: think he wins Singapore. I don't know what happens after that,

904
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: but it's never been particularly good for him. More his

905
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: teammate Sergio Perez back in the day the street fighter,

906
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: even though he hated being called that because he win

907
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: all these races on street circuits, but for Stapa has

908
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 2: never won there. It's not a track or conditions that

909
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 2: particularly suit the Red Bull. But as we can see

910
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: in the past month or so, Red Ball early season

911
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 2: and compared to now, it's almost like it's two different teams.

912
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: Even if even if Max for Staffan ultimately plays no

913
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: meaningful role in the championship by the end, if it

914
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: only gets down to fifty forty points or whatever, I

915
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 1: think we shouldn't underestimate how much fun he'll be clearly

916
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: having while the McLaren drivers get a little bit serious

917
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: as it gets. Oh yes, I think that would just

918
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: be great value to see him having a laugh. He's

919
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,959
Speaker 1: out there literally winning for fun at that point, because

920
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: it's not going to have any effects in title campaign.

921
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 1: Just putting the other guys under pressure, making their lives

922
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: a little bit more miserable, for no personal game to himself.

923
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: I think that would be fun to see, so I

924
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:37,959
Speaker 1: hope so.

925
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: There will be more comments like when they told him

926
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 2: that the McLaren's switched positions in his comment was what

927
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 2: because they had a band pitch so that we just

928
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: laughed at laud. There'll be a lot of lulls going

929
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: on the Steven.

930
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: Care I think so. I'd love to say it, so, well,

931
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:53,760
Speaker 1: good luck I've been now that we've predicted. It's obviously

932
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: not going to happen, but such is the way.

933
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 2: What have you got on the crystal balls? Probably something

934
00:41:57,480 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 2: far more sensible than me.

935
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: Well, I've gone to a story we have had time

936
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: to talk about this week. Perhaps we will next week,

937
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,799
Speaker 1: but it's a bit of a perpetual story that doesn't

938
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: need too much more money, which is the Red Bull

939
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: driver lineup four cars, only one of them has committed,

940
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: it's Maxistaffen. All sorts of talk about what's going to

941
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: happen there. German Media, Automotor nd Sport. It's reported that

942
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: Isaac Hades as good as a done deal to race

943
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: at Red Bull Racing next year though the teams is

944
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: that's not the cats. I think actually the outcome here,

945
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: because anything is possible at Red Bull, isn't. At this point,

946
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: they don't really seem to know what they're doing with

947
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: all these drivers. They don't know how they've ended up

948
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 1: with all of them. They don't know what to do

949
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: with them. They don't know if they want more or

950
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 1: fewer of them. Is that they will just keep Sonoda

951
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: and Lawson at racing Bulls like the good old days.

952
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: Maybe turn it out into an actual shootout next season

953
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: because the external pressure, the upwards pressure is coming from

954
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: Arvid Lilyndenblad, their junior driver in Formula two. His first

955
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: year in Formula two, he's been ordinary, maybe is too

956
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: harsh in the Australian sense of the word ordinary. He's

957
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:01,440
Speaker 1: been five, he's one one feed race, He's only three

958
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: points behind Pepe Marti's teammate who's more experienced than he is.

959
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: But he's I think quite a distant seventh in the championship.

960
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: I just think that actually, if this is really a

961
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: new Red Bull under Lauren Mechiaz, they should be saying

962
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: we don't need to promote this guy right now, he's

963
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: allowed to have a second season in Formula two to

964
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: try and win that title. Let's use the drivers who

965
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 1: we know, in some configuration can perform. We're just not

966
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: sure exactly what that configuration is. Yet, give him another year.

967
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 1: You can get that shoot out that they keep saying

968
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 1: they want all the time, never actually do between Sonoda

969
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 1: and Lawson in that Racing Bull's car next year, then

970
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: whoever does best will replace Hadja the following year, and

971
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 1: he underperforms at Red Bull Racing and Honica.

972
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: That's a very Laurent Mechias Engineering Crystal Ball prediction by you.

973
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: Of course, old red Bull and I use old in

974
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 2: air quotes would have vid Lindbladd in a Racing Balls

975
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: next year, in a Red Bull the season afterwards, and

976
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 2: then driving in Super Formula or in Japan the season

977
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: after that when he's proven to be no good. So

978
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 2: perhaps the new Red Bull has really turned over a

979
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: new leaf. But let's be honest, whether it's Hadja, Laws

980
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: and Sonoda, you me it's going to be a one

981
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: car team at Red Bull and based on what Max

982
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: for steppends then the past two Grand Prixs, maybe you

983
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: should be a one car.

984
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: Team yes, we'll keep your phone off silent just in

985
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 1: case the call comes through from Helmut Marco. But that's

986
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: all the time we have for pit Talk today. You

987
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,880
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988
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990
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:32,680
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991
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992
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,400
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993
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:38,160
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995
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: from Matt Clayton and me Michael Lomonato. Thanks very much

996
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