WEBVTT - Rock and Roll | Jackie Barnes 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:12.921 Approche Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am 0:00:13.001 --> 0:00:14.601 Neil the Muscle comments. 0:00:16.241 --> 0:00:18.001 In this episode, I speak with one of the biggest 0:00:18.041 --> 0:00:20.241 drummers in Australia, Jackie Barnes. 0:00:22.161 --> 0:00:24.160 I get recognized just as much for the Wiggles and 0:00:24.161 --> 0:00:26.361 Now as I do working with Dad and other artists. 0:00:26.961 --> 0:00:29.041 They didn't put in any of the rock bands. Rose 0:00:29.121 --> 0:00:33.361 to do any of those bands I'd worked with. One 0:00:33.400 --> 0:00:36.561 of the stage riggers had the stairs up to my 0:00:36.641 --> 0:00:39.121 drum kit together prop and they collapsed when I walked 0:00:39.161 --> 0:00:41.440 up the stage. I was up there, you know, playing 0:00:41.480 --> 0:00:43.841 for thousands of people, and I've got no bas drum, 0:00:44.281 --> 0:00:47.041 no spare pedal. So I ended up doing the gy. 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.441 So before we get into all the nitty gritty, let's 0:00:52.441 --> 0:00:52.961 get into. 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.721 You about growing up, schooling, growing up in the family 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:56.360 and you. 0:00:56.321 --> 0:00:58.201 Know what area and all that kind of stuff. 0:00:58.721 --> 0:01:01.081 Yeah, so I was I was born in Sydney and 0:01:01.801 --> 0:01:03.961 grew up in the Southern Highlands about an hour and 0:01:04.001 --> 0:01:07.361 a half south of Sydney towards Canberra, so in a 0:01:07.401 --> 0:01:11.000 town called Mittigong. So I spent the first eight years 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:13.761 of my life living there, but also kind of living 0:01:13.761 --> 0:01:16.401 on the road. They had I think I was two 0:01:16.401 --> 0:01:20.080 weeks old when I first flew overseas to meet him 0:01:20.200 --> 0:01:22.761 for the first time. He was on tour and I 0:01:22.801 --> 0:01:25.280 think it was in Chicago at the time. When I 0:01:25.321 --> 0:01:27.001 first met him, I was two weeks old. My mom 0:01:27.041 --> 0:01:29.640 flew me in to join his tour and I slept 0:01:29.681 --> 0:01:31.801 in a road case for the first few months of 0:01:31.801 --> 0:01:34.761 my life on the road. And he was doing a 0:01:34.761 --> 0:01:38.681 tour with zz Top, and funny enough, Pat Stewart, who 0:01:38.761 --> 0:01:41.961 was the drummer at that time in Dad's band, sent 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:45.561 me a photo a few weeks ago from that from 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:47.601 that tour, and I'm probably about two or three weeks 0:01:47.641 --> 0:01:51.601 old sitting on Mum's lap backstage somewhere in Illinois. 0:01:51.641 --> 0:01:54.481 What was it like going around on tour? Was the 0:01:54.521 --> 0:01:55.201 schooling for you? 0:01:55.281 --> 0:01:57.881 I was once it got to kind of schooling. We 0:01:58.281 --> 0:02:02.881 would be home for the school terms, and then in 0:02:02.921 --> 0:02:06.081 holidays we'd travel on the road, and Mum and Dad 0:02:06.121 --> 0:02:07.961 had a couple of nannies that would travel on the 0:02:08.001 --> 0:02:11.761 road when we were on tour, and a couple of 0:02:11.761 --> 0:02:16.761 times I do remember as a kid flying solo and 0:02:17.561 --> 0:02:20.240 that was exciting as well, because the airlines would really 0:02:20.321 --> 0:02:23.841 look after you and do that kind of unaccompanied minor travel. 0:02:24.601 --> 0:02:27.881 But then once it came to actual schooling, then we'd 0:02:27.921 --> 0:02:30.361 stay in you know, I went to boarding school for 0:02:30.441 --> 0:02:32.681 most of high school, but we moved around, so I 0:02:32.761 --> 0:02:35.081 changed schools a lot. So when I was eight years old, 0:02:35.121 --> 0:02:37.520 we moved to the south of France for three years. 0:02:38.001 --> 0:02:40.161 Did they affect you with friends kind of think and 0:02:40.161 --> 0:02:41.441 growing up with friends as a. 0:02:41.401 --> 0:02:44.641 Kid, I think, yeah, definitely, Like I'm one of those 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:46.960 kind of people that I have my kind of core 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:48.761 group of friends that are my really close friends, but 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:51.800 they might not see me for anywhere from weeks to years, 0:02:52.201 --> 0:02:54.120 Like sometimes it can be a few years and I'll 0:02:54.161 --> 0:02:57.041 just be on the road constantly, and then the kind 0:02:57.081 --> 0:02:58.721 of friends that stay in my life are the ones 0:02:58.761 --> 0:03:01.441 that they can accept that, Yeah, because I've always just 0:03:01.481 --> 0:03:03.960 been one of those guys that's always on the move. 0:03:05.121 --> 0:03:05.281 You know. 0:03:05.321 --> 0:03:09.521 So I've reconnected with friends from my childhood and some 0:03:09.561 --> 0:03:12.281 of them have become really good friends. Yeah, but it 0:03:12.361 --> 0:03:14.521 was kind of pretty random as a kid because we 0:03:14.561 --> 0:03:17.041 would I would establish a group of friends and then 0:03:17.081 --> 0:03:19.921 we'd move and so I kind of always was I 0:03:20.001 --> 0:03:21.601 felt like a bit of a lone wolf in that 0:03:21.761 --> 0:03:24.520 in that sense, like I didn't have a group of friends. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:26.641 I just would kind of float amongst all the different 0:03:26.761 --> 0:03:27.561 groups of people. 0:03:27.601 --> 0:03:31.201 And yeah, what age were you when you realized how 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:32.001 bigy that was. 0:03:32.481 --> 0:03:34.321 I guess it would have to be pretty early, because 0:03:34.441 --> 0:03:38.281 you know, we were in stadiums with him, watching shows, 0:03:38.721 --> 0:03:42.001 and you know, being side stage, even going on stage 0:03:42.041 --> 0:03:43.921 as photos of me as a little kid with headphones 0:03:43.961 --> 0:03:47.641 on being put on dad's shoulders and you know, so 0:03:47.681 --> 0:03:49.401 I guess it would have to be early. But at 0:03:49.401 --> 0:03:52.041 the same time, to me, it was normal. So I 0:03:52.041 --> 0:03:54.161 grew up with that as a completely normal thing, and 0:03:54.201 --> 0:03:57.361 having you know, camera crews following us and people taking 0:03:57.401 --> 0:04:00.001 photos of us everywhere, and it was just kind of 0:04:00.041 --> 0:04:02.600 like that was to me, what normal. 0:04:02.401 --> 0:04:04.921 Is You performed at four years old? Yeah? 0:04:05.161 --> 0:04:05.681 Yeah, what was that? 0:04:05.801 --> 0:04:05.881 Like? 0:04:06.481 --> 0:04:09.401 Amazing? I mean I think, look, I wouldn't say it 0:04:09.441 --> 0:04:12.001 was a very good performer at that point. Definitely. I 0:04:12.081 --> 0:04:14.681 definitely had the energy and the kind of charisma. But 0:04:14.961 --> 0:04:16.961 you know, at the time when we were in the Tinler's, 0:04:17.001 --> 0:04:18.241 you know, we thought we were the best thing. 0:04:18.361 --> 0:04:20.561 Yeah, you always wanted to like as a kid, is 0:04:20.601 --> 0:04:22.161 that what you want? You want to follow in your 0:04:22.201 --> 0:04:25.440 dad's footsteps? Performing or lead your own path. 0:04:25.761 --> 0:04:28.281 I never really wanted to be a singer, so to speak. 0:04:28.521 --> 0:04:30.241 I was always wanted to be a drummer because I 0:04:30.241 --> 0:04:32.640 would watch Dad's drummers as a kid and just think 0:04:32.641 --> 0:04:34.801 that looks like the most fun thing on earth. And 0:04:34.841 --> 0:04:37.401 then I've always been obsessed with sports, so I wanted 0:04:37.401 --> 0:04:40.241 to play sports. Oh wow, sports, and I did for 0:04:40.241 --> 0:04:42.401 a while. I was a football fan, a die hard 0:04:42.401 --> 0:04:47.521 football fan, real football and you know, so I grew 0:04:47.601 --> 0:04:50.001 up playing soccer. I was a goalkeeper. I did go 0:04:50.521 --> 0:04:52.721 when I was about sixteen. I went over to Scotland 0:04:52.761 --> 0:04:56.520 and did six months with Dundee Football Club in the 0:04:56.601 --> 0:04:59.641 youth system there, and then I was also playing first 0:04:59.641 --> 0:05:02.921 grade Shire cricket in Sydney at the same time when 0:05:02.961 --> 0:05:06.080 I was coming back. But then, look, I would have 0:05:06.121 --> 0:05:08.521 loved to have been either a cricketer or a footballer. 0:05:08.761 --> 0:05:11.081 But at the same time, mid season I would get 0:05:11.121 --> 0:05:14.121 off as for gigs and go on to the coaches 0:05:14.121 --> 0:05:15.681 and the management would be kind of like, well, you 0:05:15.721 --> 0:05:17.881 need to kind of pick pick one. And then I 0:05:17.961 --> 0:05:19.721 kind of quickly realized that you know. 0:05:19.801 --> 0:05:21.321 What was putting the money in your pocket. 0:05:22.161 --> 0:05:24.961 Yeah, and it was much more fun. You know, I 0:05:25.001 --> 0:05:30.481 could party more and at the time, you know, and yeah, 0:05:30.721 --> 0:05:33.481 I just I was definitely better at drums than I 0:05:33.601 --> 0:05:35.960 was a footballer or a cricketer, even though you know, 0:05:36.081 --> 0:05:38.760 in my in my heart, I wanted to be a sportsman. 0:05:39.601 --> 0:05:41.561 And look, it's funny. Over the years, I've gotten to 0:05:41.641 --> 0:05:46.841 know a bunch of different sports people and they've always 0:05:46.841 --> 0:05:48.241 come to shows and gone, I want to do what 0:05:48.281 --> 0:05:50.401 you do. And I've gone and watched them playing gome 0:05:50.641 --> 0:05:51.321 and I want to do it. 0:05:51.401 --> 0:05:51.640 You do. 0:05:52.481 --> 0:05:55.001 The grass is always greeny, you know. And at the 0:05:55.001 --> 0:05:57.561 same time, you know, being thirty eight years old, now, 0:05:57.921 --> 0:05:59.761 i'd be coming to the end or at the end 0:05:59.801 --> 0:06:02.121 of a career in sports if I'd gone down that path. 0:06:02.241 --> 0:06:04.881 So whereas now I feel like my career in drums 0:06:04.921 --> 0:06:07.561 is it's just it's just a it's a freight train 0:06:07.681 --> 0:06:08.481 that keeps going, you know. 0:06:08.880 --> 0:06:11.080 Yeah, tell me, tell me about tin lids. 0:06:12.121 --> 0:06:15.521 The tin lids. So it was kind of like I 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:17.681 never knew how it formed or anything. I think it 0:06:17.761 --> 0:06:19.441 was just one of those things that you know, because 0:06:19.440 --> 0:06:22.241 we were surrounded by music, and my dad had music 0:06:22.281 --> 0:06:24.520 people around all the time, and he had the studio 0:06:24.561 --> 0:06:28.121 at home in the Southern Highlands where he recorded big 0:06:28.161 --> 0:06:31.081 records and other people recorded records. We just kind of 0:06:31.121 --> 0:06:33.640 fell into it was kind of like a thing to 0:06:33.721 --> 0:06:35.880 do when Dad was off tour. We could do it 0:06:35.921 --> 0:06:38.001 with him, and it's been a lot of fun though. 0:06:38.081 --> 0:06:39.400 It was great fun. You know. We used to go 0:06:39.440 --> 0:06:41.521 around all the like all the shopping malls, the west 0:06:41.521 --> 0:06:43.841 Fields and stuff, and do gigs in the in like 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:46.681 the fore courts and stuff, and in the attriums and 0:06:46.681 --> 0:06:49.721 stuff like that. And I remember just always being a performer. 0:06:49.761 --> 0:06:54.280 And the things I hated were the like the clothes 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.361 that my mum would dress this thing. I found them 0:06:56.521 --> 0:07:00.760 super uncomfortable away. I still don't wear jeans to this 0:07:00.841 --> 0:07:03.561 day because I found them incredibly uncomfortable as a kid. 0:07:03.961 --> 0:07:06.641 And then also I remember we had to do choreography, 0:07:06.681 --> 0:07:10.481 and I remember like just hating doing choreography. We've never 0:07:10.521 --> 0:07:11.840 been good dancers in our family. 0:07:14.441 --> 0:07:17.481 When you when you finished high school, you became taught 0:07:17.601 --> 0:07:18.241 what your dad? Yeah? 0:07:18.481 --> 0:07:21.601 Yeah, so I finished school and I look I auditioned 0:07:21.601 --> 0:07:25.041 a few times through his band unsuccessfully, and looking back, 0:07:25.081 --> 0:07:26.201 I definitely wasn't ready. 0:07:26.281 --> 0:07:29.121 So you're auditioned. Yeah, So who said no? 0:07:29.881 --> 0:07:30.241 Dad? 0:07:30.561 --> 0:07:30.801 Really? 0:07:30.881 --> 0:07:33.641 Yeah? Yeah? He said, look, you're nowhere near ready. You 0:07:33.681 --> 0:07:35.361 need to go out and you know, do some other 0:07:35.401 --> 0:07:38.441 tours with other artists and get some work under your belt. 0:07:38.481 --> 0:07:40.481 And it's not going to come easy, you know, because 0:07:40.801 --> 0:07:43.921 his band, he's always seen that as the you know, 0:07:44.041 --> 0:07:46.801 the the best band in the country, one of the 0:07:46.841 --> 0:07:49.961 best bands in the world. It's got to be like perfection, 0:07:50.361 --> 0:07:54.601 just absolute perfection, and regardless of whether your family or not, 0:07:54.641 --> 0:07:56.081 you have to pull your weight and you have to be, 0:07:56.881 --> 0:07:58.721 you know, at the top of your game all the time. 0:07:59.201 --> 0:08:01.001 How did I feel when you used to reject you 0:08:01.041 --> 0:08:01.361 from it? 0:08:01.921 --> 0:08:04.161 I always kind of took it as like, you know, 0:08:04.201 --> 0:08:06.481 I'm just going to work hard. Yeah, And I guess 0:08:06.481 --> 0:08:08.881 I got that work ethic from him, you know. And 0:08:09.161 --> 0:08:11.881 at that point I had I'd started getting up and 0:08:11.921 --> 0:08:13.841 playing one song in his set from when I was 0:08:13.881 --> 0:08:16.161 about ten years old, and it was always the same 0:08:16.201 --> 0:08:19.481 song as a song called hard to Handle Otis Redding's song, 0:08:19.641 --> 0:08:21.881 and we did kind of like the Black Crows version, 0:08:22.361 --> 0:08:24.121 and I would get up and play that one song 0:08:24.521 --> 0:08:26.761 whenever I was on school holidays or at the show, 0:08:27.561 --> 0:08:29.521 and then I would kind of start asking more, can 0:08:29.561 --> 0:08:31.761 I play two songs you know, I was always being 0:08:31.841 --> 0:08:34.041 his ear. I would ask him questions like, you know, 0:08:34.081 --> 0:08:36.041 if your drummer was to fall down the stairs and 0:08:36.041 --> 0:08:38.321 break his legs, would you let me play? And so 0:08:38.361 --> 0:08:41.601 I always wanted to be there, and so I guess 0:08:43.401 --> 0:08:47.081 when the opportunity came to audition the first couple of times, 0:08:47.121 --> 0:08:50.361 I wasn't as prepared as I should have been, and 0:08:50.401 --> 0:08:52.521 that was one of the lessons I learned from the rejection. 0:08:53.801 --> 0:08:55.761 And then I went and did the football thing in 0:08:55.801 --> 0:08:59.241 Scotland and playing cricket in you know, coming back playing cricket, 0:08:59.281 --> 0:09:04.681 and then the opportunity came to join the band as 0:09:04.681 --> 0:09:10.881 the key board player before drums. So basically there were 0:09:10.881 --> 0:09:13.001 some issues with a keyboard player at the time, and 0:09:14.201 --> 0:09:16.481 I was basically just you know, at home on the 0:09:16.481 --> 0:09:18.201 piano and I just kind of like, as Dad was 0:09:18.241 --> 0:09:20.761 coming in, I just start playing his songs showing that 0:09:20.801 --> 0:09:22.881 I knew the song forms. It's like, ah, do you 0:09:22.881 --> 0:09:24.521 want to come and fill in for some gigs? And 0:09:24.601 --> 0:09:27.321 so I did that for like a couple of months. 0:09:27.721 --> 0:09:30.881 And look, I was classically trained as a piano player, 0:09:30.881 --> 0:09:33.721 and I'm definitely a competent pianist, but as a kind 0:09:33.761 --> 0:09:36.361 of like rock keyboard player. I don't have those kinds 0:09:36.401 --> 0:09:38.961 of chops, and you know, I didn't have the you know, 0:09:39.321 --> 0:09:41.641 improvisation and all that sort of stuff, but I played 0:09:41.641 --> 0:09:44.081 the parts, you know, so I did a decent job there. 0:09:44.161 --> 0:09:47.081 And then I started sneaking percussion into the setups. I'd 0:09:47.121 --> 0:09:50.681 have the keyboard and like congas and tambourines and stuff, 0:09:50.681 --> 0:09:53.001 and I just start like doing whatever I could a 0:09:53.081 --> 0:09:57.241 cow bell. And then the drummer at the time some 0:09:57.361 --> 0:10:01.201 issues came up with him, and then Dad said, well, 0:10:01.201 --> 0:10:03.721 I'm going to audition drummers again. And then I said, 0:10:04.321 --> 0:10:06.841 this time, I'm going to get it. And I made 0:10:06.841 --> 0:10:10.481 sure that I was really over prepared that time, and 0:10:10.521 --> 0:10:12.241 that was just enough. Like Dad said, look, I'm going 0:10:12.281 --> 0:10:12.921 to give you a shot. 0:10:13.001 --> 0:10:14.761 But you know, how many people with the audition for that, 0:10:15.961 --> 0:10:16.681 I don't know, Like. 0:10:16.841 --> 0:10:19.761 I remember seeing like at least five or six guys 0:10:19.761 --> 0:10:22.521 come through the studio. But then you know, in the 0:10:22.601 --> 0:10:24.721 years since, you know, because I've been his drummer now 0:10:24.921 --> 0:10:28.521 over twenty years, and in the years since, I've bumped 0:10:28.521 --> 0:10:30.721 into guys who've gone, oh yeah, we got approached about 0:10:30.761 --> 0:10:34.681 auditioning around then, and you know, I prepared stuff, but 0:10:34.721 --> 0:10:38.761 they've never never got the final call, so maybe there was. Yeah, 0:10:38.801 --> 0:10:41.681 I'm guessing all the different members and management and all 0:10:41.681 --> 0:10:45.201 the record labels had kind of put forward their names. 0:10:46.241 --> 0:10:48.921 And then I think finally I impressed that enough where 0:10:49.201 --> 0:10:51.321 he gave me a shot and said, look, it's not 0:10:51.601 --> 0:10:53.521 yours yet, but you've got to earn it, but I'm 0:10:53.561 --> 0:10:55.281 going to give you a chance to do this next 0:10:55.961 --> 0:10:59.321 kind of you know, six months, and I just made 0:10:59.321 --> 0:11:00.281 sure that no. 0:11:00.321 --> 0:11:01.721 Mother fucker came around. 0:11:03.161 --> 0:11:05.641 Exactly. And the thing is, the first this gig was 0:11:05.721 --> 0:11:10.041 fucking horrendous for me. It was horrible. I remember at 0:11:10.081 --> 0:11:11.841 that point. You know, this is before I had all 0:11:11.841 --> 0:11:15.361 my endorsements with gear and like, even before I was 0:11:15.481 --> 0:11:18.641 really technical in terms of maintenance of gear and stuff. 0:11:18.681 --> 0:11:22.281 So I went out with Tony Brock, who was dad's 0:11:22.321 --> 0:11:24.641 drummer when I was growing up a kid that he 0:11:24.761 --> 0:11:28.361 left for me, which was an old eighties tamer, a 0:11:28.561 --> 0:11:31.761 beautiful collectible kit, and I remember like getting that out 0:11:31.761 --> 0:11:33.841 of storage and it was all dusty and bits were 0:11:33.841 --> 0:11:35.361 falling apart, and I was like, I had to work 0:11:35.401 --> 0:11:38.361 and I didn't really I hadn't learned how to tune 0:11:38.441 --> 0:11:41.561 drums at that point, And do you actually. 0:11:41.361 --> 0:11:44.041 Have to tune drums? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. 0:11:44.081 --> 0:11:46.441 Ye got the top and bottom skins, and you've got 0:11:46.481 --> 0:11:49.961 to tune them to each other and specific notes and 0:11:50.001 --> 0:11:51.881 tones and what kind of sound you want to go for. 0:11:51.961 --> 0:11:55.041 It's a really big process, and it's something that I've 0:11:55.201 --> 0:11:58.601 spent the last you know, twenty five years developing skills 0:11:58.601 --> 0:12:01.921 in that, much like you would in any anything, you know, 0:12:02.001 --> 0:12:05.721 like you train a certain way to kip and all 0:12:05.761 --> 0:12:07.481 that sort of stuff, you know. So I honed that 0:12:07.561 --> 0:12:11.801 craft over the next couple of years. But the first gig, 0:12:11.841 --> 0:12:15.921 I remember the bass drum pedal that hits the bast drum, 0:12:16.321 --> 0:12:18.681 it just fell apart. It was an old vintage one 0:12:18.961 --> 0:12:23.481 that hadn't been maintained. The chain snapped, the footboard kind 0:12:23.481 --> 0:12:25.961 of the pins came out, and it just collapsed in 0:12:26.001 --> 0:12:28.521 the first song. So I was up there, you know, 0:12:28.601 --> 0:12:31.561 playing for thousands of people, and I've got no bass drum, 0:12:31.761 --> 0:12:34.361 no spare pedal. So I ended up doing the gig 0:12:34.521 --> 0:12:36.761 hitting the floor tom as a bass drum, and it 0:12:36.841 --> 0:12:40.121 was just like I just felt absolutely I'm like I'm 0:12:40.161 --> 0:12:44.641 gonna last one gig. And my dad came up after 0:12:44.641 --> 0:12:46.681 the show. He said, I know what happened. I saw 0:12:46.721 --> 0:12:49.401 that and I heard it. He said, don't worry, You're 0:12:49.401 --> 0:12:51.801 not You're not out, but make sure it never fucking 0:12:51.801 --> 0:12:55.841 happened again. He said, anytime stuff like this happens, learn 0:12:56.121 --> 0:13:01.601 learn a lesson, be better, and never let it happen again. 0:13:01.641 --> 0:13:04.721 So Ever, since that first gig, I've always had too 0:13:04.801 --> 0:13:09.561 some times even three backups for everything, space, snare, drums, 0:13:09.561 --> 0:13:13.241 space symbols. It's like, you know, I even when I'm 0:13:13.281 --> 0:13:16.281 traveling overseas, I travel with lots of spare parts because 0:13:17.121 --> 0:13:21.201 little things like rental kits and stuff, they're never maintained properly. 0:13:21.281 --> 0:13:24.641 So yeah, there's always little things that you need to replace. 0:13:24.761 --> 0:13:27.841 So I always travel with everything since that first gig. 0:13:27.881 --> 0:13:29.321 Wow, that was going to be my next question. Have 0:13:29.361 --> 0:13:31.481 you ever fed anything ever fucked up? 0:13:33.201 --> 0:13:36.561 Well that that's definitely the most that The kind of 0:13:36.801 --> 0:13:38.801 biggest lesson I learnt was that first gig. But you know, 0:13:38.801 --> 0:13:41.961 I've had stuff where like I remember I was on 0:13:42.121 --> 0:13:44.721 tour with a group called the ten Tennas in Europe 0:13:44.721 --> 0:13:48.681 and one of the stage riggers hadn't put the stairs 0:13:48.761 --> 0:13:51.161 up to my drum kit together properly, and they collapsed 0:13:51.161 --> 0:13:53.001 when I walked up onto stage and I ended up 0:13:53.721 --> 0:13:56.321 doing the ligaments in my ankle. It was really bad. 0:13:56.321 --> 0:13:57.961 So I had like the first kind of a few 0:13:57.961 --> 0:14:00.561 weeks of that tour with my right foot in a 0:14:00.601 --> 0:14:01.241 bucket of ice. 0:14:01.481 --> 0:14:02.081 Oh my god. 0:14:02.121 --> 0:14:03.801 And I had double pedals at that point, so I 0:14:03.841 --> 0:14:06.401 was playing all the lead pedal with my left foot 0:14:06.481 --> 0:14:10.841 because fuck. Well that recovered. So, you know, shit stuff 0:14:10.881 --> 0:14:13.801 that people don't see from the front, but you know, wow, 0:14:13.801 --> 0:14:15.841 I was getting like physio needling, all that sort of 0:14:15.841 --> 0:14:20.161 stuff done in between broken that ankle a few times before, 0:14:20.241 --> 0:14:23.081 so it was like it was like horrible and this 0:14:23.241 --> 0:14:27.001 was like at the start of a four month tour. Wow. 0:14:27.321 --> 0:14:28.881 But you know, at the same time, when all that 0:14:28.921 --> 0:14:30.401 sort of stuff happens, you got to make sure that 0:14:30.441 --> 0:14:33.841 people in front don't notice notice and it happens. 0:14:33.961 --> 0:14:34.201 Wow. 0:14:34.361 --> 0:14:35.801 Who's your Who's your favorite artist? 0:14:36.001 --> 0:14:38.761 Yeah, you would like to when you're growing up as 0:14:38.761 --> 0:14:40.401 an idol or something like that, besides your dad. 0:14:40.641 --> 0:14:43.321 Well dad was obviously, as always and still is my 0:14:43.401 --> 0:14:48.601 hero and wherever learned the most. But Bruce Springsteen's definitely 0:14:48.641 --> 0:14:52.921 a big favorite of mine. And you know, I've been 0:14:52.961 --> 0:14:56.361 fortunate enough to see him, play many times, open for 0:14:56.481 --> 0:15:00.201 him with Dad, meet him several times, and get to 0:15:00.241 --> 0:15:01.401 know a lot of the band as well. 0:15:01.641 --> 0:15:03.561 Is there a band that you'd love to play with. 0:15:04.041 --> 0:15:10.681 That that band? That's definitely one of them. Look, so 0:15:10.761 --> 0:15:13.921 many bands, I like, a really big variety of music, 0:15:13.961 --> 0:15:15.801 and there's so many artists that I've gotten to know 0:15:15.881 --> 0:15:18.281 over the years that you know, Look, I'm pretty fortunate 0:15:18.361 --> 0:15:21.121 that I've played with a lot of them. Yeah, so 0:15:21.161 --> 0:15:23.881 I'm very lucky in that regard. But yeah, Bruce would 0:15:23.881 --> 0:15:25.001 be a dream gig. 0:15:25.081 --> 0:15:26.921 See I was waiting for you to say the Wiggles. 0:15:29.041 --> 0:15:31.641 I was actually waiting for you to say the Wiggles. 0:15:31.641 --> 0:15:33.361 I seen that and I went, oh, fucking hell. 0:15:35.041 --> 0:15:37.161 I get recognized just as much for the Wiggles now 0:15:37.201 --> 0:15:39.401 as I do working with Dad and other artists. So 0:15:40.321 --> 0:15:43.161 it was great. You know, like we've always come across 0:15:43.161 --> 0:15:45.681 those guys over the years and gotten to know them, 0:15:45.721 --> 0:15:50.441 and I think the last meeting with those guys before 0:15:50.481 --> 0:15:53.081 I actually started working with them was in Darwin and 0:15:53.121 --> 0:15:54.681 it was a day off and we were just walking. 0:15:55.121 --> 0:15:56.761 I was walking with Dad and Mum trying to find 0:15:56.761 --> 0:15:58.721 somewhere to eat, and bumped into a few of those 0:15:58.761 --> 0:16:02.641 guys Anthony and stuff, and and we just kind of 0:16:02.641 --> 0:16:04.441 like we'd always bumped into each other on the road. 0:16:04.481 --> 0:16:06.281 But then we're like, let's catch up in Sydney and 0:16:06.521 --> 0:16:10.361 actually do something. And at that point Dad was it 0:16:10.601 --> 0:16:14.561 was in the process of writing a children's book. It 0:16:14.641 --> 0:16:17.601 was a kind of a character based around my nephew, 0:16:18.681 --> 0:16:20.601 and so my dad was talking to them about that 0:16:20.801 --> 0:16:23.081 and they said, oh, won't you come into wiggles HQ. 0:16:23.401 --> 0:16:27.161 Will you know, animate it, write some music for it, 0:16:27.241 --> 0:16:27.881 make an album. 0:16:28.281 --> 0:16:30.321 But they didn't give you a color T shirt to wear. 0:16:30.801 --> 0:16:35.241 Nah. No, I think Dad did like a he did 0:16:35.281 --> 0:16:38.441 a like a charity gig with them. He got up 0:16:38.441 --> 0:16:40.161 as a special guest years ago and I think he 0:16:40.201 --> 0:16:47.081 had a black skivvy. So but so we went up 0:16:47.081 --> 0:16:49.881 to wiggles HQ and started kind of working on the 0:16:49.961 --> 0:16:53.481 music from that album and from that children's book, which 0:16:53.601 --> 0:16:58.281 ended up it was called the GNU and ended up 0:16:58.521 --> 0:17:03.561 winning an Area for Best Children's Album. And you know, 0:17:04.121 --> 0:17:07.281 my kids have grown up, you know, with the Wiggles 0:17:07.281 --> 0:17:10.440 and with those books and those albums and those songs, 0:17:10.521 --> 0:17:13.160 and then that kind of like working with them on 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.160 that project. Then they're like, oh, we really like you 0:17:15.241 --> 0:17:17.440 do you want to work on some other stuff with us? 0:17:17.481 --> 0:17:19.961 And I ended up I think I did. Like I 0:17:20.001 --> 0:17:21.921 remember one of the days, I must have recorded about 0:17:22.001 --> 0:17:25.080 fifty five sixty songs. It's like just like you know, 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:28.641 all little kind of like you know, short short pieces, 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:32.600 but and they work you hard, but they do good work. 0:17:33.281 --> 0:17:36.201 I still know all those guys, they're all good friends. 0:17:36.241 --> 0:17:39.921 And yeah, it was a wonderful time. And then Anthony 0:17:39.961 --> 0:17:43.961 at the time, he approached me and said, oh, look, 0:17:44.001 --> 0:17:48.921 we're doing a barbershop quartet for the next series. And 0:17:49.041 --> 0:17:51.281 I don't want to be in it. He's like, so 0:17:51.360 --> 0:17:53.481 I want you to be me in that, and I'm 0:17:53.521 --> 0:17:56.680 like what. And so the next thing I knew I 0:17:56.681 --> 0:17:59.281 was I was on camera. I remember like six am 0:17:59.360 --> 0:18:03.360 call makeup. I'm like, oh, as a rock drummer, fuck that. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.201 I'd played in New Car the night before and had 0:18:06.201 --> 0:18:09.561 no sleep and got there at six am, got done 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:11.840 up and like put in a suit that was way 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:13.841 too big and they just like pin stuff to make 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:18.080 it look okay and filmed until like ten pm that night, 0:18:18.201 --> 0:18:22.360 and the whole season wow, in one day. And and 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.640 then you know, so then that next series, every every 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.241 episode they'd go to this barbershop quartet and I'm in there, 0:18:28.241 --> 0:18:32.001 and that's what I get recognized for. If I'm walking 0:18:32.001 --> 0:18:34.720 around a Westfield, mum and their kids will come up 0:18:34.721 --> 0:18:42.761 and like you, you're the barbershop quartet guy. And back 0:18:42.801 --> 0:18:45.680 to Chin Lid's a funny, funny story about that. I 0:18:45.721 --> 0:18:48.920 recorded a record with the Dead Daisies, which is like 0:18:48.961 --> 0:18:54.121 a hard rock supergroup, and I remember when we recorded 0:18:54.120 --> 0:18:56.360 the record, they did all the press releases for all 0:18:56.360 --> 0:19:00.481 the magazines in Europe and around the world. And these 0:19:00.481 --> 0:19:02.400 magazines what they do is they google you and they 0:19:02.441 --> 0:19:05.241 find out who you've worked with, and so like when 0:19:05.241 --> 0:19:07.120 they did the press release for this album. This is 0:19:07.120 --> 0:19:10.920 like a hard rock heavy like almost metal, it's like 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:15.801