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Speaker 1: Approche Production. Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am

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Speaker 1: Neil the Muscle comments.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, I speak with one of the biggest

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Speaker 2: drummers in Australia, Jackie Barnes.

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Speaker 3: I get recognized just as much for the Wiggles and

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Speaker 3: Now as I do working with Dad and other artists.

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Speaker 3: They didn't put in any of the rock bands. Rose

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Speaker 3: to do any of those bands I'd worked with. One

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Speaker 3: of the stage riggers had the stairs up to my

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Speaker 3: drum kit together prop and they collapsed when I walked

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Speaker 3: up the stage. I was up there, you know, playing

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Speaker 3: for thousands of people, and I've got no bas drum,

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Speaker 3: no spare pedal. So I ended up doing the gy.

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Speaker 1: So before we get into all the nitty gritty, let's

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Speaker 1: get into.

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Speaker 2: You about growing up, schooling, growing up in the family

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Speaker 2: and you.

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Speaker 1: Know what area and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was I was born in Sydney and

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Speaker 3: town called Mittigong. So I spent the first eight years

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Speaker 3: of my life living there, but also kind of living

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Speaker 3: for the first time. He was on tour and I

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Speaker 3: think it was in Chicago at the time. When I

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Speaker 3: first met him, I was two weeks old. My mom

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Speaker 3: flew me in to join his tour and I slept

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Speaker 3: my life on the road. And he was doing a

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Speaker 3: tour with zz Top, and funny enough, Pat Stewart, who

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Speaker 3: was the drummer at that time in Dad's band, sent

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Speaker 3: me a photo a few weeks ago from that from

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Speaker 3: that tour, and I'm probably about two or three weeks

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Speaker 1: What was it like going around on tour? Was the

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Speaker 1: schooling for you?

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Speaker 3: I was once it got to kind of schooling. We

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Speaker 3: holidays we'd travel on the road, and Mum and Dad

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Speaker 3: times I do remember as a kid flying solo and

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Speaker 3: But then once it came to actual schooling, then we'd

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Speaker 3: stay in you know, I went to boarding school for

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Speaker 3: most of high school, but we moved around, so I

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Speaker 3: changed schools a lot. So when I was eight years old,

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Speaker 1: Did they affect you with friends kind of think and

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Speaker 1: growing up with friends as a.

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Speaker 3: Kid, I think, yeah, definitely, Like I'm one of those

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Speaker 3: they might not see me for anywhere from weeks to years,

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Speaker 3: Like sometimes it can be a few years and I'll

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Speaker 3: that they can accept that, Yeah, because I've always just

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So I've reconnected with friends from my childhood and some

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Speaker 2: And yeah, what age were you when you realized how

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Speaker 3: I guess it would have to be pretty early, because

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Speaker 3: I guess it would have to be early. But at

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Speaker 1: Is You performed at four years old? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what was that?

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Speaker 3: you know, at the time when we were in the Tinler's,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you always wanted to like as a kid, is

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Speaker 3: I never really wanted to be a singer, so to speak.

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Speaker 3: I was always wanted to be a drummer because I

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Speaker 3: then I've always been obsessed with sports, so I wanted

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Speaker 3: to play sports. Oh wow, sports, and I did for

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Speaker 3: up playing soccer. I was a goalkeeper. I did go

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, mid season I would get

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Speaker 1: What was putting the money in your pocket.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was much more fun. You know, I

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Speaker 3: in my in my heart, I wanted to be a sportsman.

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Speaker 3: And look, it's funny. Over the years, I've gotten to

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Speaker 3: The grass is always greeny, you know. And at the

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Speaker 3: So whereas now I feel like my career in drums

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Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me, tell me about tin lids.

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Speaker 3: The tin lids. So it was kind of like I

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Speaker 3: we were surrounded by music, and my dad had music

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Speaker 3: It was great fun. You know. We used to go

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Speaker 3: And then also I remember we had to do choreography,

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Speaker 1: When you when you finished high school, you became taught

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Speaker 1: what your dad? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I finished school and I look I auditioned

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Speaker 1: So you're auditioned. Yeah, So who said no?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah? He said, look, you're nowhere near ready. You

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Speaker 3: And it's not going to come easy, you know, because

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Speaker 3: And then I went and did the football thing in

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Speaker 3: I knew the song forms. It's like, ah, do you

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Speaker 3: And look, I was classically trained as a piano player,

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Speaker 3: because fuck. Well that recovered. So, you know, shit stuff

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Speaker 3: But you know, at the same time, when all that

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Speaker 1: Who's your Who's your favorite artist?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you would like to when you're growing up as

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Speaker 3: Well dad was obviously, as always and still is my

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Speaker 1: Is there a band that you'd love to play with.

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Speaker 3: So there's all these heavy metal magazines around Europe that

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Speaker 2: The tin Lids, I was actually good because you brought

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Speaker 3: and you know, that's much more of a classical pop

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Speaker 3: it's pretty much just a year solid, and I was like, cool,

435
00:20:50,921 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 3: if you want me to do it, let's do it.

436
00:20:52,521 --> 00:20:56,161
Speaker 3: And I literally it went from getting a message from

437
00:20:56,201 --> 00:21:00,241
Speaker 3: my mate to like twelve hours later having the next

438
00:21:00,281 --> 00:21:03,281
Speaker 3: year of gigs locked in with. Yeah, and that took

439
00:21:03,360 --> 00:21:07,881
Speaker 3: me to that took me to all around Europe. I'd

440
00:21:07,921 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 3: done small europe European tours at that point with Dad,

441
00:21:10,921 --> 00:21:13,641
Speaker 3: like you know, two three week runs, but we did

442
00:21:13,681 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 3: like a we were out on the road pretty solid

443
00:21:17,201 --> 00:21:20,521
Speaker 3: for three to six months. Yeah, So it was pretty

444
00:21:20,561 --> 00:21:22,801
Speaker 3: It was pretty great, you know, being on tour bus

445
00:21:22,961 --> 00:21:27,561
Speaker 3: getting you know, it was a really intense schedule because

446
00:21:27,561 --> 00:21:30,281
Speaker 3: we had like, you know, five six shows a week

447
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:35,440
Speaker 3: at least, and big travel days. We bounced between Europe

448
00:21:35,441 --> 00:21:39,400
Speaker 3: and the US as well. But it was great and

449
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:44,121
Speaker 3: I made great friends on that. It was a great challenge. Yeah,

450
00:21:44,561 --> 00:21:46,961
Speaker 3: it was one. It was a Yeah. I still keep

451
00:21:46,961 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 3: in touch with a lot of those guys. Yeah, it

452
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,281
Speaker 3: was a great project. They're still doing great shows, they're

453
00:21:55,281 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 3: still doing big tours and you know, the door is

454
00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 3: always open.

455
00:21:59,241 --> 00:22:01,360
Speaker 2: What's the most what's the most memorable thing that you've

456
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,161
Speaker 2: done that's that's always stuck in your mind and you're

457
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:04,921
Speaker 2: really proud of it.

458
00:22:05,561 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 3: Oh that's a hard one because I've I've been pretty

459
00:22:10,761 --> 00:22:13,200
Speaker 3: lucky to do a lot well this year. I mean

460
00:22:13,241 --> 00:22:16,281
Speaker 3: I played a festival in about three hours outside of

461
00:22:16,321 --> 00:22:19,281
Speaker 3: Rio de Janeiro in Rio Disastrous in Brazil with the

462
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 3: Lucky Dolly group, and you know, that was our first

463
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,161
Speaker 3: show in South America with that group, and we went

464
00:22:27,201 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 3: there kind of not knowing what to expect and kind

465
00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,001
Speaker 3: of is there even a scene for us there? And

466
00:22:34,201 --> 00:22:36,561
Speaker 3: we ended up playing for like thirty thousand people on

467
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:41,321
Speaker 3: a main stage and just the fandom there and just

468
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,840
Speaker 3: the people were just so up for it and they

469
00:22:44,961 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 3: just you know, we were just getting stopped constantly for

470
00:22:48,281 --> 00:22:51,801
Speaker 3: photos and people just that loved the show. Had never

471
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 3: heard of us, but they just love music and the

472
00:22:53,521 --> 00:22:56,201
Speaker 3: love group of music. And so that was a big

473
00:22:56,281 --> 00:22:58,441
Speaker 3: highlight because it was kind of like, you know, going

474
00:22:58,481 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 3: to a new region that we'd never played in, to

475
00:23:01,441 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 3: a place that we've always wanted to play and being

476
00:23:04,201 --> 00:23:07,481
Speaker 3: received like that. You know, So that's just as that's

477
00:23:07,561 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 3: just as good as you know, going to play a

478
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,761
Speaker 3: big festival for one hundred thousand people or more.

479
00:23:12,961 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: What kind of music do you like? What is it?

480
00:23:15,441 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: What are you into? Everything I look up. My taste

481
00:23:19,481 --> 00:23:21,481
Speaker 3: in music is super diverse because you know, I grew

482
00:23:21,561 --> 00:23:26,241
Speaker 3: up listening to all different stuff, where it'd be hard rock, pop,

483
00:23:26,681 --> 00:23:29,041
Speaker 3: classical music, you know, as a classically trained piano player,

484
00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: So it depends on the mood. But I think for

485
00:23:31,281 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 3: the most part, anything that's got really good pocket, good groove.

486
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,241
Speaker 3: You know, I love funk music, especially like sixties seventies

487
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,681
Speaker 3: funk and rock, but you know, I like it all.

488
00:23:41,721 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 3: There's like, yeah, I wouldn't say one particular style, but

489
00:23:45,241 --> 00:23:48,961
Speaker 3: obviously rockers in the DNA, you know, bands like Deep

490
00:23:48,961 --> 00:23:51,360
Speaker 3: Purple that I grew up with those kind of hard

491
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:57,281
Speaker 3: rock bands and Springsteen. But yeah, I I listened to

492
00:23:57,321 --> 00:24:00,281
Speaker 3: different playlists every day. Sometimes I'll get in my car

493
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,761
Speaker 3: and you know, there's lots of traffic output on, like

494
00:24:03,201 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 3: depending on the mood, output on like rackman of piano

495
00:24:05,521 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: concertos and like get that kind of you. And then

496
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,881
Speaker 3: sometimes it'll be like, you know, prog prog medal, prog rock.

497
00:24:14,761 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 3: It just depends and you know, so my my, yeah, my, yeah,

498
00:24:20,281 --> 00:24:22,561
Speaker 3: my kids probably hear so many different styles of music

499
00:24:22,561 --> 00:24:25,801
Speaker 3: when I'm playing music at home, and which is good.

500
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,120
Speaker 3: You know. My dad played me a big variety of music.

501
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,521
Speaker 3: That's why I have a diverse taste. You know, a

502
00:24:30,521 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: lot of people would think Jimmy Barnes, being who he is,

503
00:24:33,521 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 3: would listen to, you know, hard rock. But you know,

504
00:24:36,801 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 3: he introduced me to funk music. He introduced me to soul,

505
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,001
Speaker 3: He introduced me to some classical stuff and like even

506
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:43,760
Speaker 3: jazz stuff.

507
00:24:44,001 --> 00:24:46,401
Speaker 2: What's funny though, because when I came over to Australia

508
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: in ninety two, I'd never heard of Jimmy Barns. I

509
00:24:49,321 --> 00:24:50,961
Speaker 2: never heard of them because it doesn't get played in

510
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,121
Speaker 2: the UK, you know what I mean. It it's very

511
00:24:53,201 --> 00:24:53,921
Speaker 2: it's not on the radio.

512
00:24:53,921 --> 00:24:57,201
Speaker 3: It's quite like a cult following. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

513
00:24:57,241 --> 00:24:59,161
Speaker 1: So when I came over it and you're just hearing it.

514
00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: And I came to Wollongong when I first came in here,

515
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,801
Speaker 2: so it was constantly played all the time in Wollongong,

516
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,521
Speaker 2: w kind of music, and then he just it gets clingy.

517
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,360
Speaker 1: It's just like whoa, you know what I mean. And

518
00:25:10,360 --> 00:25:12,241
Speaker 1: then I found out he's got Scottish heritage.

519
00:25:12,281 --> 00:25:14,281
Speaker 2: I'm going, well, how come he's never been played in

520
00:25:14,281 --> 00:25:15,401
Speaker 2: fucking England when I've been there?

521
00:25:15,681 --> 00:25:17,641
Speaker 1: But it was just it does it? Actually?

522
00:25:18,481 --> 00:25:21,601
Speaker 2: It actually caught on with me his music and I've

523
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 2: never that's twenty the way I've never been in that

524
00:25:24,321 --> 00:25:24,761
Speaker 2: kind of music.

525
00:25:25,001 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: Then it catches onto you.

526
00:25:26,041 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 3: Because where do you come from. I'm from Liverpool, Liverpool,

527
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,801
Speaker 3: and we've played Liverpool and it's it's a very it's

528
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,761
Speaker 3: similar to like those northern towns in the UK, Glasgow, Newcastle, Liverpool. Man,

529
00:25:35,921 --> 00:25:39,481
Speaker 3: they're all kind of like it's that, you know, it's

530
00:25:39,521 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 3: that kind of working class thing that dad grew up

531
00:25:41,921 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: with and that kind of desperation and that comes out

532
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: in his in his in his music and in his voice.

533
00:25:47,961 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 3: And you know who he is. And he was so

534
00:25:51,481 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 3: young when he came here. He was five years old.

535
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,200
Speaker 3: But you know, he's still got he's still got an accent.

536
00:25:57,281 --> 00:25:59,081
Speaker 3: He's still got quite a strong accent.

537
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:03,681
Speaker 1: Probably stronger than mine. Tell me about.

538
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,281
Speaker 2: When your dad went into surgery and then a couple

539
00:26:09,321 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: of months later he went in for immediate surgery again,

540
00:26:12,921 --> 00:26:14,641
Speaker 2: Like how did that go? You know what I mean?

541
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: When you went in for the heart surgery and then

542
00:26:17,201 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: the surgery.

543
00:26:18,241 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 3: So there's been a couple of you know this, this

544
00:26:20,761 --> 00:26:24,801
Speaker 3: is going back years now, so before what happened last year,

545
00:26:24,961 --> 00:26:28,321
Speaker 3: over the last two years. It was two thousand and

546
00:26:28,441 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 3: seven when he had his first open heart surgery, and

547
00:26:33,561 --> 00:26:36,561
Speaker 3: I really remember it vividly because I just moved to

548
00:26:36,721 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 3: Boston and I was in my first semester at Berkeley

549
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,321
Speaker 3: and I was in class on my computer and I

550
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,360
Speaker 3: knew that Dad was going in for surgery but hadn't

551
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 3: heard from him. And I opened up my computer in

552
00:26:48,441 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 3: class and like a news pop up, I'm saying Aussie

553
00:26:53,921 --> 00:26:57,241
Speaker 3: rock Ledge and dyes of heart failure in Sydney hospital.

554
00:26:57,241 --> 00:27:01,041
Speaker 3: And I just like kind of got chills and I

555
00:27:01,041 --> 00:27:03,120
Speaker 3: couldn't open the article. But I closed my computer and

556
00:27:03,201 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 3: left class, and I called my mum, like what happened

557
00:27:05,961 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 3: to Dad? And she's like, oh, he's right here. Do

558
00:27:07,921 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 3: you want to say a loader. I'm like, I just

559
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:12,241
Speaker 3: read an article that he died, and I was like,

560
00:27:12,321 --> 00:27:14,241
Speaker 3: who died? And she was like, oh, Billy Thorpe died

561
00:27:14,281 --> 00:27:17,761
Speaker 3: and he had had he'd had a heart attack and

562
00:27:17,801 --> 00:27:21,161
Speaker 3: they passed each other in the in the cardiac Unitow

563
00:27:21,241 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 3: in Saint Vincent's and and so it was obviously a

564
00:27:24,961 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: relief that Dad hadn't passed, but also, you know, I

565
00:27:27,561 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: was friends with Billy, we'd work together and he was

566
00:27:30,681 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 3: a close friend of Dad's and an icon, and so

567
00:27:32,961 --> 00:27:36,321
Speaker 3: he was kind of like bittersweet. But then yeah, he

568
00:27:36,360 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 3: had that surgery that kind of you know, did the

569
00:27:41,241 --> 00:27:45,801
Speaker 3: job for years and probably would have still it was

570
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 3: still working until he got staff infection last year. So

571
00:27:50,041 --> 00:27:53,841
Speaker 3: he had had a hip replacement two years ago. And

572
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,281
Speaker 3: then towards the end of last year, I remember I

573
00:27:57,281 --> 00:27:59,561
Speaker 3: finished up a tour with him, and I had a

574
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,561
Speaker 3: sub coming in for a couple of shows because I

575
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 3: was going to Europe with the Lucky Dolly group. I

576
00:28:04,321 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 3: was in Europe, and I remember talking to my drum

577
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,961
Speaker 3: tech about the shows because he was filling in for

578
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 3: the for my sub, and he said, oh, yeah, your

579
00:28:12,721 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 3: dad was like really sick on these two shows. And

580
00:28:14,721 --> 00:28:17,241
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, he goes. I've never seen him

581
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,921
Speaker 3: look that kind of like white and pale. And he'd

582
00:28:21,961 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: done he'd done like a regional festival, he had the

583
00:28:25,681 --> 00:28:28,321
Speaker 3: Mushroom fiftieth anniversary gig, and then he was meant to

584
00:28:28,321 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 3: get on Rock the Boat, a cruise to do shows

585
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 3: on there as a headliner, and I spoke to my

586
00:28:33,801 --> 00:28:38,481
Speaker 3: sister and my mum after the Mushroom fiftieth show and

587
00:28:38,521 --> 00:28:42,281
Speaker 3: they were like, oh, he's like really, really sick. And

588
00:28:42,321 --> 00:28:44,081
Speaker 3: I was like, should he even get on this cruise?

589
00:28:44,761 --> 00:28:47,561
Speaker 3: And so then we were all kind of like i'ming

590
00:28:47,601 --> 00:28:50,321
Speaker 3: and a ring and kind of you know, and ultimately

591
00:28:50,321 --> 00:28:52,121
Speaker 3: we said no, he shouldn't get on it because he's

592
00:28:52,161 --> 00:28:55,321
Speaker 3: obviously really sick. And thankfully he didn't because he went

593
00:28:55,361 --> 00:29:00,281
Speaker 3: to hospital and he had pneumonia. He was septic, so

594
00:29:00,321 --> 00:29:03,601
Speaker 3: he had sept to seemia and they were finding traces

595
00:29:03,641 --> 00:29:06,361
Speaker 3: of staff infection. So if he'd gotten on that cruise,

596
00:29:06,401 --> 00:29:08,641
Speaker 3: he would have died. And the problem with that is

597
00:29:08,641 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: that he's got a really crazy threshold for pain, and

598
00:29:11,601 --> 00:29:14,041
Speaker 3: so when by the time he complains to you, it's

599
00:29:14,121 --> 00:29:17,801
Speaker 3: usually it's something like fucking sept to seemia. Yeah, He's like,

600
00:29:18,001 --> 00:29:20,681
Speaker 3: I've got a little bit of a thing going on,

601
00:29:20,921 --> 00:29:26,281
Speaker 3: and he's fucking dying. So then they got on top

602
00:29:26,321 --> 00:29:27,881
Speaker 3: of the sept to see he got on top of

603
00:29:27,921 --> 00:29:32,241
Speaker 3: the pneumonia, which is great, but then this staff infection kept.

604
00:29:32,281 --> 00:29:33,881
Speaker 3: They were trying to find where it had kind of

605
00:29:34,361 --> 00:29:39,401
Speaker 3: gone to. They initially found it in his spine and

606
00:29:39,481 --> 00:29:43,361
Speaker 3: so had back surgery, and then later found it in

607
00:29:43,401 --> 00:29:45,681
Speaker 3: his heart, so he had to have emergency heart surgery,

608
00:29:45,681 --> 00:29:48,281
Speaker 3: which was while I was flying back from Europe. So

609
00:29:48,321 --> 00:29:52,681
Speaker 3: i'd finished the tour and I was on the plane

610
00:29:52,681 --> 00:29:55,641
Speaker 3: from London to Singapore while he was doing the open

611
00:29:55,641 --> 00:29:59,161
Speaker 3: heart surgery and had no WiFi on the plane, so

612
00:29:59,201 --> 00:30:04,041
Speaker 3: I was just fucking stressed. Got to Singapore, my mum

613
00:30:04,121 --> 00:30:06,161
Speaker 3: called me and said he's okay. I'm like, thank fuck.

614
00:30:07,041 --> 00:30:09,841
Speaker 3: Got back to Australia. I literally dropped my bags and

615
00:30:09,881 --> 00:30:11,801
Speaker 3: went straight to the hospital and saw him and he

616
00:30:11,921 --> 00:30:14,641
Speaker 3: was like trying to walk around the ward and I

617
00:30:14,641 --> 00:30:18,881
Speaker 3: was like, just lie down and rest. Look, we're relentless

618
00:30:18,881 --> 00:30:20,801
Speaker 3: in this family, like we don't like to be still.

619
00:30:22,281 --> 00:30:24,561
Speaker 3: But thankfully it was okay, and then he started working

620
00:30:24,601 --> 00:30:27,521
Speaker 3: again a few months later and all was well. We

621
00:30:27,641 --> 00:30:30,521
Speaker 3: were touring in the middle of the year, and then

622
00:30:30,561 --> 00:30:32,721
Speaker 3: I went to the US with the Locky Dolly group

623
00:30:32,801 --> 00:30:37,561
Speaker 3: in June July and was meant to come back and

624
00:30:37,601 --> 00:30:40,161
Speaker 3: go straight onto tour with him. Rejoined the tour. I'd

625
00:30:40,161 --> 00:30:43,961
Speaker 3: had to sub for a couple of shows, and then

626
00:30:44,721 --> 00:30:49,161
Speaker 3: right towards the end of the US tour with Lockie,

627
00:30:50,401 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 3: Dad called me and said, look, they've found some more

628
00:30:53,241 --> 00:30:56,321
Speaker 3: staff infection. We're gonna have to investigate, so we're probably

629
00:30:56,321 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 3: gonna have to postpone these shows. Turned out that it

630
00:31:00,001 --> 00:31:02,641
Speaker 3: had gone into the hip that he'd had replaced, so

631
00:31:04,121 --> 00:31:07,041
Speaker 3: they took that hip up and he's now got a

632
00:31:07,081 --> 00:31:10,961
Speaker 3: temporary hip in at the moment while he finishes Cold Chisel. Wow,

633
00:31:11,881 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: he has to get a new hip early in the

634
00:31:13,521 --> 00:31:15,921
Speaker 3: year ship. Yeah, So it's been a it's been a

635
00:31:15,961 --> 00:31:18,801
Speaker 3: rough couple of years for him, but but fuck, he's

636
00:31:18,841 --> 00:31:21,921
Speaker 3: tough watching him on this Cold Chisel too, because I've

637
00:31:21,921 --> 00:31:25,921
Speaker 3: been because I don't drum with Cold Chisel, Charlie Drayton does.

638
00:31:26,801 --> 00:31:28,321
Speaker 3: So I've been on the road with him as his

639
00:31:28,401 --> 00:31:31,841
Speaker 3: tour manager and kind of his guy, you know, driving him,

640
00:31:31,921 --> 00:31:36,121
Speaker 3: making sure everything's looked after for him, and just watching him,

641
00:31:36,681 --> 00:31:39,521
Speaker 3: you know, go through that process, even in the amount

642
00:31:39,521 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 3: of pain he's in, is pretty incredible and inspiring, you know.

643
00:31:44,201 --> 00:31:48,001
Speaker 3: But yeah, it's he's man. It's just like I can't

644
00:31:48,001 --> 00:31:51,281
Speaker 3: wait for him to get that new hip because he

645
00:31:51,361 --> 00:31:54,081
Speaker 3: must the pain must be just yeah, because he's complaining

646
00:31:54,081 --> 00:31:56,961
Speaker 3: about the pain, and obviously that means it's pretty fucking severe.

647
00:31:57,081 --> 00:31:59,681
Speaker 1: Must be on some pain killers for that, jeez.

648
00:31:59,681 --> 00:32:04,841
Speaker 3: And I think he's just Panele it's really as well.

649
00:32:04,881 --> 00:32:08,841
Speaker 3: But yeah, I remember after his heart surgery, he just

650
00:32:08,881 --> 00:32:12,121
Speaker 3: like went back, I'll just take Panda. I'm like, I

651
00:32:12,121 --> 00:32:13,881
Speaker 3: didn't even think Pandel did anything.

652
00:32:16,081 --> 00:32:17,401
Speaker 1: Any of regrants.

653
00:32:18,401 --> 00:32:20,881
Speaker 3: I'm not like that, you know, it's and Dad's not

654
00:32:20,921 --> 00:32:24,481
Speaker 3: like that. It's obviously there's things that we probably would

655
00:32:24,601 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 3: change if we could. But at the same time, and

656
00:32:27,361 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: Dad's always told me this is that you know, everything

657
00:32:29,521 --> 00:32:31,801
Speaker 3: you do leads to where you are, and if you're

658
00:32:31,841 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: happy with where you are and where you're going, then

659
00:32:35,281 --> 00:32:39,561
Speaker 3: why change. So I'm proud of the gigs that I've done,

660
00:32:39,761 --> 00:32:43,641
Speaker 3: the people I've worked with, the relationships I've made. I'm

661
00:32:43,681 --> 00:32:47,121
Speaker 3: proud that, you know, in all the years I've been

662
00:32:47,161 --> 00:32:49,481
Speaker 3: working in this industry, you know, I haven't really burnt

663
00:32:49,521 --> 00:32:52,041
Speaker 3: any bridges. You know, a lot of the bands that

664
00:32:52,081 --> 00:32:55,081
Speaker 3: I've worked with, even though I don't work with them anymore,

665
00:32:55,481 --> 00:32:59,081
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure for the most part, i'd be welcome

666
00:32:59,161 --> 00:33:03,801
Speaker 3: back if the opportunity arise. Yeah, No, I'm.

667
00:33:03,681 --> 00:33:16,761
Speaker 2: Describe you in two words, onward, relentless.

668
00:33:13,081 --> 00:33:15,521
Speaker 1: And what what's what the future hole for you?

669
00:33:15,561 --> 00:33:19,001
Speaker 3: Then, well, after years of not having one, I've just

670
00:33:19,041 --> 00:33:23,921
Speaker 3: gotten a US visa, So getting more involved working over

671
00:33:23,961 --> 00:33:26,921
Speaker 3: there with bands over there, you know, which is kind

672
00:33:26,961 --> 00:33:29,801
Speaker 3: of what I was trying to do ten fifteen years

673
00:33:29,841 --> 00:33:33,081
Speaker 3: ago when I went to when I'd finished college. You know,

674
00:33:33,561 --> 00:33:35,841
Speaker 3: had I not started working with the ten Tennas, I

675
00:33:35,841 --> 00:33:38,801
Speaker 3: probably would have stayed in the US and moved there.

676
00:33:39,801 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: So I've kind of always got had this kind of

677
00:33:42,001 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: itch to scratch in terms of like breaking into the

678
00:33:44,481 --> 00:33:46,921
Speaker 3: market over there with bands, you know, because obviously I've

679
00:33:46,921 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: built a good reputation here and Europe and and amongst

680
00:33:51,281 --> 00:33:54,241
Speaker 3: musicians in the States as well. Kind of similar to Dad.

681
00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:57,001
Speaker 3: You know, he's obviously he's massive here, but he's got

682
00:33:57,001 --> 00:34:00,241
Speaker 3: these kind of like, yeah, the musicians all know him

683
00:34:00,281 --> 00:34:02,761
Speaker 3: over there. So yeah, I kind of want to break

684
00:34:02,761 --> 00:34:05,161
Speaker 3: into those markets a bit more and tour with bands

685
00:34:05,161 --> 00:34:08,761
Speaker 3: from over there, and you know, that's a thing that

686
00:34:08,801 --> 00:34:11,001
Speaker 3: I've got to kind of find the balance between family

687
00:34:11,041 --> 00:34:14,641
Speaker 3: life and doing that, and but yeah, that would be

688
00:34:14,641 --> 00:34:17,881
Speaker 3: the biggest goal, would be to break into that US

689
00:34:17,921 --> 00:34:22,561
Speaker 3: market a bit more and then you know, I've been

690
00:34:22,601 --> 00:34:26,641
Speaker 3: writing a solo record singing, so I've done I've had

691
00:34:26,681 --> 00:34:29,481
Speaker 3: some projects over the last ten to fifteen years that

692
00:34:29,521 --> 00:34:32,241
Speaker 3: have been like kind of duo things and you know,

693
00:34:32,401 --> 00:34:34,561
Speaker 3: just slowly getting myself out there because I do sing,

694
00:34:36,361 --> 00:34:38,801
Speaker 3: but never really saw myself as a front man. But

695
00:34:38,961 --> 00:34:40,801
Speaker 3: now I've kind of gotten to that point where I'm like,

696
00:34:41,081 --> 00:34:43,361
Speaker 3: I'm ready to step out from behind the kit and

697
00:34:43,721 --> 00:34:47,281
Speaker 3: do something as well. So there's that goal of putting

698
00:34:47,321 --> 00:34:49,601
Speaker 3: out my own record, which I've mostly written. I just

699
00:34:49,641 --> 00:34:52,481
Speaker 3: need to record it, kind of put it out the

700
00:34:52,521 --> 00:34:55,401
Speaker 3: right way, which is a really daunting prospect. And it's

701
00:34:55,401 --> 00:35:00,441
Speaker 3: a very it's an intense family to be a singer in,

702
00:35:00,961 --> 00:35:03,281
Speaker 3: so you know, there's a lot of expectation, and you know,

703
00:35:03,321 --> 00:35:05,401
Speaker 3: I definitely don't have his voice. I've got a very

704
00:35:05,401 --> 00:35:09,201
Speaker 3: different voice. But yes, I've just been writing a lot.

705
00:35:09,881 --> 00:35:11,361
Speaker 3: I want to put out some more of my own

706
00:35:11,401 --> 00:35:12,001
Speaker 3: music and.

707
00:35:12,921 --> 00:35:13,761
Speaker 1: Yeah, go from here.

708
00:35:13,921 --> 00:35:17,841
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all about just you know, keep working with

709
00:35:17,881 --> 00:35:21,401
Speaker 3: the people I've been working with, and as new opportunities arise,

710
00:35:22,681 --> 00:35:25,761
Speaker 3: take them too good. As long as I'm always busy,

711
00:35:25,961 --> 00:35:28,121
Speaker 3: always making music, I'll be happy. That's cool.

712
00:35:28,601 --> 00:35:29,801
Speaker 1: Well, thanks brother, for coming.

713
00:35:29,641 --> 00:35:31,161
Speaker 3: On, Thanks for having me I, thank to be honest.

714
00:35:31,161 --> 00:35:32,601
Speaker 3: Pleasure Bro, Absolutely pleasure.

715
00:35:32,641 --> 00:35:32,961
Speaker 1: Thanks Bro,