1 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: A used grave, not a new grave. We are talking 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: an occupied grave, complete with headstone. I look over the top, 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: here's this guy up to his neck in the grave 4 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: shoveling it out right, and I'm thinking, there's something you 5 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: don't see every day. 6 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 2: No, when we watched Western's as youngsters, one thing we 7 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: would always say would be the formation of a possey. 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: You claim to have formed a possey. I'm Andrew Rule. 9 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 2: This is Life and Crimes Today. We're going to embark 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: on a series of podcasts. 11 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: With a guest to the studio, Mark Tregallis. 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 2: Now. I met Mark Tregallis at distant parts of East 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 2: Gippsland some years ago when there was a terrible bushfire 14 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: at Malicutera, Malanicuta and Mark, you were a copperate Malicuda 15 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 2: or the copperate Malicuda the policeman for many years. Well, 16 00:00:57,880 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 2: you're not so. 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: I was stationed in Malancouta for sixteen years and it 18 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: varied between at some stages during those sixteen years of 19 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: us having four or five policemen staying there. To the 20 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: first day that I arrived, the sergeant handed me his keys, 21 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: said these are the keys to the police station. Make 22 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: yourself at home, I'm off to his team or for 23 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: six months, right, and that was it. 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 2: That was it, you marked you and your family had 25 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: the wife and kids with you. 26 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: Correct. So at that stage I was married and the 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: first kid was on the way. Yep. And I've since 28 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 1: then had three daughters and they now all have done 29 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: the reverse trip back to Melbourne for university. 30 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 2: And now you're following them down to keep an eye 31 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 2: on things. Oh pretty much, Yes, visit, but along the 32 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: way I know this for a fact. Along the way 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: you gathered quite a lot of interesting country copper stories. 34 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: And you're a pretty good teller of stories, and in 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 2: fact you have published them in a book. 36 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: My three daughters got me to write down all the 37 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: crazy police stories. They wanted it for their kids and 38 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,520 Speaker 1: their grandkids when when they got older. I never thought 39 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,079 Speaker 1: it would get published, and when it did, I thought 40 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: I would have to buy every copy and give it 41 00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: to extended family as a Christmas present for the next 42 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: ten years. So I was a bit amazed when it 43 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: sold out in three weeks. 44 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: It's mark that reflects not only the content, which is good, 45 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: but the title, and the title is remarkably good. 46 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: What is it? Well? I know, but I'm asking you no. 47 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: So the title is back up is three hours away. 48 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: That sort of nails it, doesn't it. 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: And there have been many, many times in my career 50 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: where backup has been three hours away. To give you 51 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: an idea of the far East s Gippsland in particular, 52 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 1: is a huge area. There's a very low population and 53 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: very few police. So at times during those sixteen years 54 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: I was patrolling four thousand square miles by myself and 55 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: I would get given jobs that would take me two 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 1: and a half hours to drive to. That's just one way. 57 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: And that's the border basically from the border right through 58 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: to somewhere like ben River close to Orbost. 59 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: I guess. So what happens is when you become a 60 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: police officer on the border, you become a police officer 61 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: in the adjoining state, so as a police officer in 62 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: Victoria and a special constable in New South Wales. 63 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 2: So you have got jurisdiction if you need. 64 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 1: It, so you can continue it pursued across the border. 65 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: You can arrest people with the same powers that New 66 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: South Wales police have. However, you have no idea what 67 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: the paperwork is, so you have to take them to 68 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: a new South Wales police station and then just sign 69 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 1: on the bottom line after the other guys with them, 70 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: Where do they go to court if they're naughty? So 71 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: if in Malicuta it would be Eaten magistrates court they 72 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: would go to unless it was somewhat more serious, in 73 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: which case they would probably. 74 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 2: So they go to court in the other state. If 75 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 2: you're pursue the border, it becomes their jurisdiction for court. 76 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: If I pursue a car over the border and arrest 77 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: them over the border, I can't bring them back. It's 78 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: an extradition, gotcha right, So I have to take them. 79 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 2: Okay, now along the way. Your daughters are on the 80 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 2: money because they know the stories. They've heard many of them. 81 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 2: They were there when they happened in some. 82 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: Respects when I was a first moved to the country. 83 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: I moved to Portland. Back in those days, during the 84 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 1: Kennedy era, police, police, nurses, teachers used to have homes 85 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: that you could rent at six percent before mister Kenneth 86 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: sold them all. And what happened was I was meant 87 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: to get one, but I couldn't. The guy was six 88 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: So they said, could you find somewhere else? And then 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: someone came up to me and said, look, there's this 90 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: one hundred year old farmhouse out at whites Beach, which 91 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,720 Speaker 1: was about twenty five kilometers from Portland. At seventy five 92 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: dollars a week, and I've gone for seventy five dollars, 93 00:04:56,120 --> 00:05:00,840 Speaker 1: I am there. So I moved this. Now I got 94 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: to admit I as a city boy, grew up in 95 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: Syndall Mount Waverley my whole life, had never lived in 96 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: the country. So I moved into this one hundred year 97 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: old farmhouse. It was so old that when the wind blew, 98 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: the wall paper used to come out about two feet. 99 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: It was in winter, and I remember lighting the fire 100 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: and watching TV with a family of mice on the hearth. 101 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: It had character, Oh, it had characters. It also had 102 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 1: an outdoor toilet and a semi detached shower. It was 103 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 1: part of a ward in section of the verandah. Excellent. 104 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: So on my first morning, I walked naked out the 105 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: front door because I could, and into the ward in 106 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: section of the veranda and into the bathroom. Now, the 107 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 1: bath slash shower was one of those enameled cast iron 108 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: tubs on four legs with a wrap around curtain. No 109 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: extractor fan pushed against a far wall where there was 110 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: this four foot wide lap sash window that you could 111 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: drop down and that would let the steam out. Yep, 112 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: and I work that out. I'm in the shower shampooing. 113 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: What I didn't know was that there was a horse 114 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: in the paddock next to the shower that heard the 115 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: water and walked over. And it looked through the window 116 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: and went water, think I'll have a drink. So it 117 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: sticks its head through the window and proceeds to drink 118 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: out of the shower. This is twelve inches in front 119 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,120 Speaker 1: of my fate. I'm completely oblivious to it because my 120 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: eyes are closed because I'm shampooing. Then the horse turns around, 121 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: looks at me, and says to itself, gee, I wonder 122 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: what that white stuff tastes like. Let me tell you, 123 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: getting licked in the face by a horse when you're 124 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 1: naked in the shower is exciting. That would be. In fact, 125 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 1: it's so exciting it bears detail. The lick goes in 126 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: and with the tongue pretty much still attached, your eyes 127 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: open and in the split second before the sud sit 128 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 1: them and they close. The only thing you focus on 129 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,360 Speaker 1: is this massive set of teeth six inches in front 130 00:06:57,400 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: of your face, and a horse not the first thing 131 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: to come to mind as you're naked in the shower, 132 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: But the first thing that does, for some unknown reason, 133 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 1: is the monster from the Aliens movie. So you exit 134 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: the shower, taken the rod and the curtain with you. 135 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: I exited so fast, I hit the far wall, horse, 136 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: ride up, heard its head for occasionally. I got used 137 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: to the horse, and I shampooed the horse's face as well. 138 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 1: And now the only problem with you got you. 139 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: Got mates with the horse. 140 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: Living out yeah, yeah, it would turn up. It would 141 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: turn up every shower. Good God. Now the only problem 142 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: with living out at White Speech was did he have 143 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: a drink the horse? Did he ever? Did you ever? Trop? Yeah? 144 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: It wasn't there. So the only problem with living out 145 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: there was the exorbitant rent. So I got young Johnny 146 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: to move in with me, another unconstable. So on John's 147 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: first morning, he's sitting in the kitchen having a cup 148 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: of coffee. You didn't tell him about the horse, did you? No? Here? 149 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: When he looks up and sees me walk naked past 150 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: him out the front door. So so John's head comes 151 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: around the corner and he goes drink. I've got, yeah, mate, 152 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: we're going and I look in and I go shower. 153 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: And then he looks at me and he says, why 154 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: do you have a large carrot in your hand? And 155 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: you held the pause, fair question, you held, and I said, 156 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 1: I often shower with a carrot. And he goes, you 157 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: eat the carrot in the shower. I go, no, so 158 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,080 Speaker 1: what do you do in the shower with the carrot? 159 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: And I've gone you'll find out soon enough. So a 160 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: couple of minutes later, he has his shower, meets the horse. 161 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: In a couple of weeks, we're both sharing with carrots. Share. 162 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: I see. So that was my first introduction to country policing. 163 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 2: That is a very funny story. And you couldn't make 164 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 2: it up. 165 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: Oh no, you cannot make this stuff up. 166 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 2: Funny about running water and horses. I love running water. 167 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 2: Tell us about and I'm racking my brain's here from 168 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,599 Speaker 2: when we've chatted in the past. Just casually gun to 169 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: the German. 170 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: Okay, so this isn't exactly a high crime story, but 171 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: it is somewhat hilarious. I was stationed in Apollo Bay 172 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 1: at the time, and we're working an afternoon shift so 173 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: knocking off at midnight, and at about six o'clock that 174 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 1: afternoon we got a phone call asking for an assistance 175 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: with a German tourist whose car had broken down on 176 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 1: the Grad Ocean Road. This happened a lot. We often 177 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: would have problems with visiting, especially European drivers, because they 178 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: would drive along the Grad Ocean Road, see an amazing site, 179 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 1: pull over, take some photos, get back in the car, 180 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: and then immediately drive on the wrong side of the 181 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: road and a car coming the other way could cause problems, 182 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: but Gunda didn't have this. We just got one there 183 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: and I could just smell when I got to the 184 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: car that his clutch had basically burnt out. So we 185 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: secured the car. We got him back into the police 186 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: station and sat him down, and there was a car 187 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: quite close just in lawn his company, so they drove 188 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: up and only took an hour for him to get there, 189 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: so good to just sat in the police station and 190 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 1: when the next car came up, the guy handed him 191 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: the keys, so then we waved goodbye and Gunta headed off. 192 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: Not ten minutes later, we get another call from Gunta 193 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: saying that this car is broken down, so we go 194 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: up to it, and sure enough he has burnt out 195 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:30,200 Speaker 1: a second clutch. And both cars were manual. So my 196 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: first question to Gooda was have you ever driven a 197 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: manual car? And he looked at me and said no, 198 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 1: So he had no idea what he was doing to dry. 199 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: So he's just burnt out two clutches. So I've secured 200 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: the second car, got him in the back, taking him 201 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: back to the police station for a second time. And 202 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: this time there wasn't another car. They had to bring 203 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: up one up from Melbourne. It was going to take 204 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: another four hours and the company wasn't very happy with Gunta. 205 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 1: Let me tell you, that's quite bizarre. So Gunta says, okay, 206 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: then I'm going to go and get to read. So 207 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: he disappears into town. Me and Andy are on deck 208 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: at the time, and we're just doing paperwork in the station. 209 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: Gunda comes back and he's sitting out the front of 210 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: the of the watchhouse, which is the area where the 211 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: public can come in, and is reading. And I walk 212 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: past him and I look down and Gunta's reading a 213 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: porno right and well he is German. I do a 214 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: double take and I go, Gunda, what are you doing? 215 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: And he goes I am reading, and I go, you 216 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: can't read a porno at a police station, freaking give 217 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: it to me, pull it off and wrap it up 218 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: so you can have it when you go. Women and 219 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: kids coming to the police station. Bait. You can't do that, 220 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: So he was quite indignant. Anyway, it's almost knockoff time 221 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: when the third car arrives. This one is an automatic, 222 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: so about time, Gunda is feeling a lot happier with this. 223 00:11:58,200 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: And the guy pulls up into the police station driveway 224 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: hands over his car. He wasn't too happy, let me 225 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: tell you. So we go out there. Gunna gets in 226 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: the car, starts at UF, waves to us and reverses 227 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: into the telephone pole at the front of the police station. 228 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: Oh magnificent. Me and Andy are just dumb struck. We 229 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: were speechless. We could not believe it. So Gonda stops 230 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: the car, gets out, goes to the back. Sea's this 231 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: massive dent in it, looks up to us and says, 232 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: what do I do? And I've looked at Gunter and 233 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: gone get back in and keep driving. Just keep driving 234 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 1: frontwardswards a wave far away from Apollo Bay as you 235 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: possibly can. 236 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 2: Absolute roll goal twenty four Carrot Gunta. 237 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: So I've never before or had ever had anyone have 238 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: three car accidents in an eight hour shift. 239 00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,719 Speaker 2: What were they doing giving somebody who's who clearly good 240 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: and driver manual a manual. Secondly, in my experience in Europe, 241 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 2: everybody drives smallish manuals and they regard automatics as something 242 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: for little old ladies. 243 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 1: I didn't ask him at the time. It's bizarre, yeah, 244 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: the whole thing. But the whole thing was just But 245 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: the weirdest thing was when I passed him and looked 246 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: up and just see him reaching this pornocrafty. I just 247 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. Now, what's there a story? 248 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 2: Tell me if this is you, the story about the graveyard. 249 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: And oh no, that is me, that is you. I 250 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: think you've got to tell that one. Okay, then well 251 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: that is most definitely one. So that was down that 252 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 1: way too. It was at Apollo Bay. Anyone who has 253 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: traveled the Gradation road out of Apollo Bay, heading towards 254 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: the Twelve Apostles, you go through a small satellite suburb 255 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: a couple of k out of Apollo Bay called Maringo, 256 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: and then you go up the Maringo Hill, and that's 257 00:13:56,960 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: heading towards trove apostles and warnable and places. So one 258 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 1: night I was working with Mick and we're driving back 259 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: and we're ten minutes from knockoff, ten minutes from midnight, 260 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: right And we come down the hill and I'm driving 261 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 1: and I look across where the old Apollo Bay Cemetery 262 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:18,959 Speaker 1: is on the right hand side, and as I look up, 263 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: I see a light and so I turned to Mick 264 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: and I go, Mick, there's a light on in the cemetery. 265 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: And he turns to me and says what. And I go, 266 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: there's a light on in the cemetery. And he goes, 267 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 1: it's a boat because it slopes down overlooks the water. 268 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: And I go, no, no, no, no, So I slow down, 269 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: I do a U tune. Mick goes, don't worry about it, 270 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 1: it's just someone reading late. We pull up front entrance 271 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: of the cemetery, headlights off. We both see a flicker 272 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: of a hand, torch out. We get torches off. Walking 273 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 1: through the cemetery, it is black, no moon, no stars. 274 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: Can't see a hand in front of your face. We 275 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: get to the middle of the cemetery and Mick goes, listen, stop, 276 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: no word of a lie. We can hear this is 277 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: a shovel noise, is it? It's the sound of someone digging. 278 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I look at Mich looks at me, 279 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: and I've gone is that what I think it is? 280 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: And he goes, yeah, I've gone, what do you want 281 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: to do? He goes forget we ever heard it? Drive back, 282 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: knock off. I've gone that's a good plan. And then 283 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: he says, all we could investigate, and I've gone planned 284 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: one still sounds better. And Mick says, come on, there's 285 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: two of us. We're grown men. We've both got guns. 286 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 1: And I've gone, oh right, then, would you hold my hand? 287 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: So we're walking along, digging's getting louder. I have got 288 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: no idea what we're going to find. All of a 289 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 1: sudden that stops freeze. Thirty seconds later, digging starts up again. 290 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: I get to the far end of the cemetery and 291 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: over a used grave, not a new grave. We are 292 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: talking an occupied grave, complete with headstone. I look over 293 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: the top. Here's this guy up to his neck in 294 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: the grave, shoveling it out right. And I'm thinking, there's 295 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: something you don't see every day. No, And I'm crouched 296 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: down behind the back of the tombstone, and my eyes 297 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: are poking out over the top. I'm looking at this guy, 298 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 1: and I'm thinking, you know, this guy's acting sus. Not 299 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: that digging a grave out at midnight isn't slightly sus 300 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: to start with, but he's got a black beanie pulled 301 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: down over his head, and every couple of shovelfuls he's 302 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: taking a nervous lookout towards the front entrance of the cemetery. 303 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 1: Definitely something going on. So I stand up from behind 304 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: the tombstone. As I do that, both knees go crack. 305 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: This guy rockets around just in time to see my 306 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: hands curl over the edge of the tombstone. I lean 307 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: over the top of him and just say gooday. 308 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: And we must point out to our listeners that you 309 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 2: are in the old money. About what's six ' seven 310 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 2: six ' eight, Sorry, I'm six eight. I've cheated you 311 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 2: of an inch and that metric is too two two 312 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,880 Speaker 2: two two. So when you stand up over a gravestone 313 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 2: at full height with the knees cracking, it's quite a 314 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 2: sight at midnight. He screamed, He screamed. 315 00:17:11,359 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: The shovels come flying out scrambling up the side of 316 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: the grave with vid him with the torches. Police don't move. 317 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,480 Speaker 1: He's frozen. He's looked up. He's gone. Police. Oh thank god. 318 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: We get him out, pull him up out of the hole. 319 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: This guy is shaking like a leaf. And I have 320 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: gone mate. I can't wait to hear your story, because 321 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: if you do not have the world's greatest you are 322 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: in so much trouble. I don't even know where to start. 323 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: And he looks at us and goes, I'm the grave 324 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:45,920 Speaker 1: digger and I go the town grave digger, and he goes, aha, 325 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: I go working at midnight by hisself, and he used 326 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: grave no Carna LUTs and he says, oh, well, old 327 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: Bill Clogs has got to be buried with his wife tomorrow. 328 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: And I finished his grave off at half past six. 329 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: But theyn now, I've got a phone call from his 330 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: relatives at eight o'clock. They went out and had to 331 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: look and phone me back to say that I dug 332 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: the hole in the wrong spot and I had to 333 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: come back and finish it before the funeral tomorrow. Then 334 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 1: there's car pools in and it's his mate in a 335 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: ute full of tools and lights who's been helping him 336 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: all night, but they'd almost finished, so he'd gone home 337 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,719 Speaker 1: to get a six pack of beer and left him 338 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: with a little torch with the batteries working. It was 339 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: all above board. We were stunned. 340 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,919 Speaker 2: Oh that is magnificent, And you thought you had the 341 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 2: best pinch of all time. 342 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: I was all you got was the best story. I 343 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 1: would have thought. I would have been looking up law 344 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 1: from the sixteen hundreds from England grave my grave robbing 345 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: and seeing if I could translate that into modern Victorian law. Magnificent. 346 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: So yeah, look, i'd have bet a thousand bucks he 347 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: couldn't have come up with a story. 348 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 2: And there you are, in a sense. As soon as 349 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: you heard it, you go, yeah, a little be right. 350 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 2: Obviously he's just dung the wrong hole, and he's and 351 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 2: he's made. 352 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: They're going to dig the right hole. So he said 353 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,080 Speaker 1: carry on, And the guy looked at you, and carry on. 354 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: He said, no, my mate's not gone. Ten minutes. I 355 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 1: swear I can hear footsteps coming towards me. So I 356 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: stop and I listen. Can't hear anything. Minute I started digging, 357 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,760 Speaker 1: footsteps getting closer than You've jumped up behind doom stuff. 358 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 1: I've shot my pasts. He jumped in the car and 359 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: barreled off with the guy. 360 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 2: Oh that's wonderful. That is a great story. I had 361 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,920 Speaker 2: some early warning of that one. It's just bears repeating. 362 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: It's a very good story. Now. 363 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 2: You know, when we watched Westerns as youngsters, there was 364 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 2: always you know, the villains wore black hats, the good 365 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 2: guys wore white hats. The Indians as we used to 366 00:19:34,440 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 2: call the Native Americans, were often I think Mexicans or 367 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 2: Spanish or Italian or Greek actors often and it was 368 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 2: pretty rough and ready. But one thing we would always 369 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 2: see would be the formation of a possey. The bad 370 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 2: guys would gallop off with handkerchiefs around their faces, and 371 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,680 Speaker 2: and then the possey would chase them and had them off. 372 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: At the pass. 373 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 2: You claim to have formed the in these Skipps Land. 374 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: It is no also was in Apollo Bay. We had 375 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: a fair bit happened in Apollo Bay. So I should 376 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: first often say that that forming a posse is nothing 377 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: that is ever taught in the academy, right, okay, but 378 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 1: they've never studied this, You do not. 379 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 2: You've had a bit toner with possums, but not posses. 380 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: Correct, right. So what happens is a police officer can 381 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: ask a member of the public for assistance in arresting someone, 382 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: and a member of the public can voluntarily assist a 383 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: police officer. The interesting part of this though, is that 384 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,679 Speaker 1: if that person whilst assisting the police officer is assaulted, 385 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: then the offender is charged with assaulting police, even though 386 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: they are not an employee of the police, they are 387 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: acting at that time as a police officer. Yeah, fair enough, 388 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: and that's fair. So as everyone would know who's driven 389 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: down the Great Ocean Road a Pollar Bay lawn Port 390 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 1: campbell during the summer period, it just becomes mad and 391 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: there are hundreds of campers in there. So in the 392 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,160 Speaker 1: Apollo Ba caravan Ground, we got a phone call late 393 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: one night that there were a group of young guys 394 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: going around stealing things from caravans. And this was after midnight. 395 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 1: So again I was working with Andy, and we drove 396 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: down and parked the car and then decided we'd just 397 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: sort of sit back with the binoculars. It was fairly 398 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: well lit and we would have a look and we 399 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: spotted five guys that were going around helping themselves opening 400 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: Eski's taking out any drinks that were in there. A 401 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: bike got stole, and other people were just putting stuff up. 402 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: But here's the thing. There's five of them and there's 403 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: two of us, right, So we watched until they went 404 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: back to their camp site, and then we did a 405 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 1: check on the registration numbers of the cars and found 406 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: out that they belonged to crooks that had quite a 407 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 1: lengthy set of pride convictions, some of which were violence. 408 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: They're not just cheaping easy kids, these are books. So 409 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: we got onto the radio explained what had happened, and 410 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: our nearest up to that point was Collak, which was 411 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: well over an hour north of us, and they said, well, listen, 412 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: it's going to take over an hour for us to 413 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: come in and see you and get any help to you. 414 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: So we had to think outside the square as to 415 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 1: how we were going to arrest these five guys safely. 416 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 1: So as we were walking around earlier on that night, 417 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: we spotted a large group that was drinking down the 418 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: far end of the caravan park. So we wandered down 419 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: and it turned out to be a new South Wales 420 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: rugby team on their end of year. 421 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: Were they big strong blocks. They were freaking huge were 422 00:22:59,400 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 2: they game? 423 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: And anyway, so and they're half cut and so anyway, 424 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: they walked up to them and we said, listen, guys, 425 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: we need a bit of a bit of a hand 426 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:10,919 Speaker 1: and they said what do you need. Well, we've got 427 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: to go and arrest these five guys, but we don't 428 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: want to do it alone. We'd like you guys to 429 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,800 Speaker 1: come with us. Now. If any of them takes a 430 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 1: swing at us, feel free to jump in. And like, 431 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: these guys were like, you know, eighteen years of old, 432 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: and you could just see their eyes light up at 433 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,120 Speaker 1: the thought of having a staush. 434 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: And the gay. 435 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,199 Speaker 1: And I said, on top of that, if any of 436 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: them take a swing at you, we charge them with 437 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: assaulting police because you are acting at that point in 438 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: time as police officers. How did they receive that? And 439 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: they thought that was even better, of course, And one 440 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: of the guys raises his hand and he said what happened? 441 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: And he goes, he goes, do you have to swear 442 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: us in? Oh? I was so close to saying, everyone 443 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: raise your right hand and repeat after me, but I 444 00:24:06,119 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: decided against it, and I said, no, no, no, that's 445 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 1: just in America, guys. It's enough that you say you're 446 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: going to help us, and that you come along. That's 447 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: all we needed. So anyway, the coach was there, and 448 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: the coach was sort of four sheets, So anyway, he 449 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: sculls the rest of his beer and goes, right, let's 450 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: get this done and we'll march over to this camp. 451 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: So a bash on this tent and the voice goes, 452 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: what is it? He goes police. Anyway, these five guys 453 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:42,959 Speaker 1: come rushing out and there's eighteen people surrounding them, and 454 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: I go, hey, guys, listen, just want to say we've 455 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: been watching you for the last half hour. We know 456 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: all this stuff has been stolen. You're all under arrest. 457 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: And the five guys go. They look at us, and 458 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 1: they go, I don't think so. And you know, by 459 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 1: this stage you've got a couple of the sixteen years 460 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: old sort of champion at the bit to get in 461 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: there and the sisters and clean them up. But the 462 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,679 Speaker 1: coach steps in and he goes, listen up, you five idiots, 463 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: we're here, and if you think you're going to be 464 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 1: able to beat all of us, you got it wrong. 465 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: So how's about you do what the two nice police 466 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,359 Speaker 1: officers weren't turn around get handcuffed and we can all 467 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,159 Speaker 1: go back up, and they did so, they came around 468 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: and we cuffed them. Because we work remote country, we 469 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: carry spare handcuffs in the police car, so we're able 470 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,399 Speaker 1: to cuff them, ll stick them in the back of 471 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: the van and take them back. And it was without incident. 472 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: But as they were walking off, I do have to 473 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 1: say there were a few looks of disappointment among the 474 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: young amongst the young fellas, because I think they were 475 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: really keen to have what had been able to have 476 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: acted as a police officer for a few for a 477 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: few hours. Yeah, it's a. 478 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 2: Beautiful story of and a rare story. 479 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 3: Oh. 480 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: I mean, only time I have ever done that. Something 481 00:25:55,960 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: that I chose to ask at a lecture we had 482 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,399 Speaker 1: one year, and that was that if that was to 483 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: happen and the person assisting us is injured, are they 484 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: entitled to work cover? And the answer is no, because 485 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: they're not an employee a police force. 486 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 2: All right, that's tricky stuff, occupational health and safe all 487 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: that stuff. It's complicated. Mark Tregalis, thanks very much for 488 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 2: talking to us about your new book. Well it's not 489 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: that new, but it's fairly new. Back Up is three 490 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 2: hours away from all good bookshops and many bad bookshops. 491 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,639 Speaker 2: We are so delighted with it that we might like 492 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 2: to talk to you next week and we'll see you then. 493 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much Andrew for inviting me to 494 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: come on and have a chat, and I would definitely 495 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: be up for another one next week. Excellent. 496 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. 497 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: Life and Crimes is a Sunday Herald Sun production for 498 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 3: True crime Australia. Our producer is Johnty Burton. 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