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<v Speaker 1>Here we have Rachelle Childs suiting up for qualifying stint.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it going to be a blinder?

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<v Speaker 3>Get the hell?

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<v Speaker 2>We're on language loved and this is the beginning lesson.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna watch Rachelle goes, who oh where are carding now?

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<v Speaker 3>And here we go.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a sunny day at Wakefield Park Raceway, about a

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<v Speaker 4>two hour drive south of Sydney. Rochelle is wild about cars,

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<v Speaker 4>and she's wearing her favorite sports sonnies and gear up

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<v Speaker 4>in a racing suit. Her blonde hair is pulled back

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<v Speaker 4>in a ponytail and she's beaming with excitement. She's moments

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<v Speaker 4>away from jumping behind the wheel of a hotted upholder.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you lask rus before we go?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>Hey girl?

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<v Speaker 4>That driving experience was a gift for her twenty first birthday,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's the final recording. Rochelle's family has to hold

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<v Speaker 4>on to.

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<v Speaker 6>The death of Rochelle Child.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty three year old disappeared from a pub in Bargo.

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<v Speaker 4>She planned to meet someone there whose burnt body was

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<v Speaker 4>found on a lonely South Coast road. Her body was

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<v Speaker 4>found in bush in GIRoA.

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<v Speaker 2>She was murdered.

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<v Speaker 1>The worst thing you could say to any individual, is

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<v Speaker 1>you're a murder and you kill my daughter.

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<v Speaker 4>Rochelle was killed by someone she knew.

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<v Speaker 1>We'd like to find out who did it and why.

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<v Speaker 4>Evidence points to a crime cleverly planned, but still the

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<v Speaker 4>killer wasn't caught.

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<v Speaker 7>My name is Christie Child's and this story is about

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<v Speaker 7>my beautiful sister, Rochelle Child's. She was violently taken from

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<v Speaker 7>us when I was just eighteen. Shechelle was vivacious, hilarious

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<v Speaker 7>and kind. She was everything to me growing up, my mentor,

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<v Speaker 7>my protector, my best friend. I looked up to her

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<v Speaker 7>so much, and now I know she's looking down on me,

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<v Speaker 7>willing me to find the person who killed her.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Ashley Hanson and this is Dear Rochelle, a podcast

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<v Speaker 4>about a popular twenty three year old who was adored

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<v Speaker 4>by her family and friends. Nobody has ever been charged

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<v Speaker 4>over Rochelle's murder. From True Crime Australia.

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<v Speaker 8>This is the untold story of Rochelle Charles.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, how are you? For the past year, I've been

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<v Speaker 4>working closely with Christy to reinvestigate her sister's murder. We're

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<v Speaker 4>on a mission to finally expose who killed Rochelle. For

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<v Speaker 4>more than two decades, Rochelle's family has been fighting for justice.

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<v Speaker 4>This case should never have been left to run cold.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been covering crime for over twenty years in Australia

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<v Speaker 4>and my job as a reporter has taken me around

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<v Speaker 4>the world. I thought I was prepared for anything until

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<v Speaker 4>I started investigating this case. The chilling fear that surrounds

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<v Speaker 4>Rochelle's murder has made this story the most challenging of

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<v Speaker 4>my career. I've even been warned by former cops to

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<v Speaker 4>tread very carefully. Any advice for me following this story

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<v Speaker 4>you were suggesting you're going to do, I wouldn't carry

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<v Speaker 4>that out you.

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<v Speaker 9>That's thought that you should be aware of what you

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<v Speaker 9>were doing.

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<v Speaker 3>Sometimes you get lost in your work and you don't

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<v Speaker 3>realize what you've done until it's too late. Well, as

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<v Speaker 3>I said to you before you're poking a beer.

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<v Speaker 4>I do take that advice seriously. But while a cold

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<v Speaker 4>bloody killer and suspected rapist is walking free, no woman

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<v Speaker 4>is safe and I just can't let Rochelle's family down.

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<v Speaker 4>Our investigation is uncovered damning new evidence, Innocent people who've

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<v Speaker 4>been too afraid to speak out for decades are breaking

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<v Speaker 4>their silence for a shell. You'll hear from friends and family,

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<v Speaker 4>investigators and key witnesses who've never spoken before. Some of

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<v Speaker 4>the brightest minds from our criminal justice system are helping

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<v Speaker 4>to reinvestigate her murder. Is it possible the killers through

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<v Speaker 4>the investigation so far off course it was impossible to

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<v Speaker 4>solve was the acting alone? Were there the darker forces

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<v Speaker 4>at play?

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<v Speaker 5>When you're dealing with sex offenders it takes years of

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<v Speaker 5>experience to realize how clever they are.

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<v Speaker 10>Fucking Blame on me because I'm in a by plot.

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<v Speaker 7>My worst fear is that person who killed Rochelle has

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<v Speaker 7>killed again.

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<v Speaker 4>Over the years, police identified nine persons of interest or pois,

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<v Speaker 4>and the coroner comprehensively examined Rochelle's death, which still didn't

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<v Speaker 4>lead to anyone being charged. But what really gets to

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<v Speaker 4>the families the lack of action by police to reopen

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<v Speaker 4>her case. Here's Christie Child straight after a meeting with

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<v Speaker 4>the New South Wales Unsolved Homicide Squat in early twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four. Christy's an assistant principal at a primary school,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know she's taken notes.

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<v Speaker 7>It is that I don't know and I said so

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<v Speaker 7>you're not across this case and he said no, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>And I said who is and he said no one.

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<v Speaker 7>He said, so no one in unsolved form societies across

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<v Speaker 7>this case and already said no.

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<v Speaker 4>Christine Omman have been let down so many times. This

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<v Speaker 4>podcast could be their final shot through it all. They've

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<v Speaker 4>held on tightly to their memories.

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<v Speaker 3>Talking chins that were completely different personalities. She was just

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<v Speaker 3>out there more, you know. She was lovely and loud,

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<v Speaker 3>and Christy was just this soft little mouse.

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<v Speaker 2>It was sweet.

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<v Speaker 3>That's part of the dancing days. She looked up to

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<v Speaker 3>Chrissy looked up to the show. She really did. She

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<v Speaker 3>thought she were Ant's pants. Now they'll find they'll find together.

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<v Speaker 2>Right up through Prime.

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<v Speaker 3>It was lovely. It was a really good relationship.

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<v Speaker 11>My name is Lisa and I was Rachelle's best friend

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<v Speaker 11>for her entire life.

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<v Speaker 6>We owned horses together.

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<v Speaker 11>You know. We were dancing five days a week when

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<v Speaker 11>we were young, so that was a lot of time

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<v Speaker 11>we were spending. We removed a little a moving panel

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<v Speaker 11>in between our fences. You know, we'd jump over the

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<v Speaker 11>fence to jump.

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<v Speaker 6>In each other's pools.

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<v Speaker 11>And to have her in my life, to navigate the

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<v Speaker 11>good and the tough times. There were some tough times

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<v Speaker 11>where we grew up in Glenfield, particularly for myself being

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<v Speaker 11>of a Mediterranean background, and I got bullied and she

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<v Speaker 11>was my saving grace.

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<v Speaker 6>She was amazing.

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<v Speaker 11>She had away with people and away with the bullies

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<v Speaker 11>and had a lot of power, you know, and she

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<v Speaker 11>could stop them from hitting me. But she made something

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<v Speaker 11>that could have been utterly horrific manageable from opening barb

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<v Speaker 11>wide fences and helped me run through so I could

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<v Speaker 11>escape before they caught me to distracting them.

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<v Speaker 4>CHRISTI just turned eighteen when she moved in with Rochelle

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<v Speaker 4>in Bargo, an hour south of the hustle and bustle

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<v Speaker 4>of Sydney. It's a one pub town, the kind of

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<v Speaker 4>place where you run into your neighbor when you pop

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<v Speaker 4>out to grab the milk. There's a small strip of

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<v Speaker 4>shops with a bakery, a supermarket, an a vet. They

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<v Speaker 4>were renting a modest three bedroom brick home on a

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<v Speaker 4>small farm in town. If Rochelle wasn't restoring Holden's, she

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<v Speaker 4>was with her animals on the idyllic six acres That

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<v Speaker 4>was her happy place. Sheelle needed the space mostly of

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<v Speaker 4>the horses, but she also had a cat and an

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<v Speaker 4>enormous Australian bulldog named Rolfe. By her early twenties, she

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<v Speaker 4>was selling used cars at a dealership in Camden, a

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<v Speaker 4>quaint town about half an hour away from Bargo. One

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<v Speaker 4>of the biggest perks of Rochelle's job a license to

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<v Speaker 4>borrow shiny cars off the lot.

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<v Speaker 7>We had big plays for the weekend and she was

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<v Speaker 7>supposedly getting a veal ss group A otherwise known as

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<v Speaker 7>a walking straw, because there was one coming into the

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<v Speaker 7>car that her boss had told her about and she

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<v Speaker 7>was so excited because she got to take it home

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<v Speaker 7>for I believe she was having the Friday off, so

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<v Speaker 7>she was going to have this walk control for four days.

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<v Speaker 7>So we had big plans about where we were all

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<v Speaker 7>going to go in this car because it's such a rare,

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<v Speaker 7>beautiful car that not many people get to drive around in,

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<v Speaker 7>so we're all very excited.

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<v Speaker 9>My name's Fierra Anda. I knew Rochelle for about two

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<v Speaker 9>years when we worked to Camden Holden together.

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<v Speaker 12>Well.

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<v Speaker 9>I was the hired as the receptionist and registration's clerk

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<v Speaker 9>and she was in used cars. Work was just funny,

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<v Speaker 9>we'd smoke, we'd have lunch together. Sometimes. It was just

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<v Speaker 9>a good place to work. But you know, like I

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<v Speaker 9>enjoyed it, she enjoyed it. She loved the talking to people,

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<v Speaker 9>and that was her gab. Anyone who came on the yard,

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<v Speaker 9>she'd be there talking to them. She didn't care if

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<v Speaker 9>they bought a car. She was just happy talking to them.

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<v Speaker 4>Really, locals, remember the dealerships used car office because it

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<v Speaker 4>was pretty iconic. They did business from inside a refurbished

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<v Speaker 4>red train carriage.

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<v Speaker 9>So my office was in the showroom and to get

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<v Speaker 9>to the train station you had to walk along a platform.

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<v Speaker 9>It was a train platform. It was basically as if

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<v Speaker 9>a train had pulled up. It was an old red rattler.

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<v Speaker 7>Ruschall's office was, you know, not too far in, but

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<v Speaker 7>it was pretty much there.

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<v Speaker 4>So did you ever come here and see Rochelle?

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<v Speaker 7>And she was like, oh, yeah, yeah, I was here

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<v Speaker 7>quite often for whatever reason, pick up things, pick her up. Yeah, now,

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<v Speaker 7>I was here quite often. I used to watch her

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<v Speaker 7>move the cars around. So here was you know, all

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<v Speaker 7>of the used cars, and to watch her move the

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<v Speaker 7>cars around to get them into the right spot. It

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<v Speaker 7>was like watching in ballet like it was such a

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<v Speaker 7>precision where it's just such a good driver.

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<v Speaker 9>She used to do a Caf and Kim dance, you

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<v Speaker 9>know the CAF dance where Cat does the donkey. She'd

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<v Speaker 9>do that going down the platform of Camden. I would

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<v Speaker 9>not just stand at the showroom just laughing all the

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<v Speaker 9>way as she do a little dance down the platform

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<v Speaker 9>back to her Offen.

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<v Speaker 4>The Fi owner Lisa Rochelle and her little sister Christi

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<v Speaker 4>were a tight crew until the seventh of June two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and one, the Thursday ahead of the long weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Christie.

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<v Speaker 7>I was at Mum and Dad's house because they were away,

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<v Speaker 7>so I was at their house. I remember she called

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<v Speaker 7>me on her way home from work. I was on

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<v Speaker 7>you know when you used to have like the second

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<v Speaker 7>line on the landline. I was on the phone to

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<v Speaker 7>my best mate from school and I heard the call

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<v Speaker 7>come through and I said, I'll just answer this quickly.

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<v Speaker 7>So I jumped over to the other line and it

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<v Speaker 7>was Rochelle and she was driving.

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<v Speaker 2>Because she always spoke so far. She just said hey, Chris, Michelle, and.

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<v Speaker 7>I said, hey, I'm on the other line. Erin and

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<v Speaker 7>she went, oh, right here, call me back. I say okay, bye,

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<v Speaker 7>and that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hung up. That was the last time I spoke

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<v Speaker 2>to her.

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<v Speaker 4>That was at exactly five point fifteen pm on Thursday,

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<v Speaker 4>the seventh of June two thousand and one. A minute later,

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<v Speaker 4>it's believed Rochelle flicked a cigarette butt out the window

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<v Speaker 4>of her blue nineteen seventy eight Holden Commodore as she

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<v Speaker 4>drove along the Old Hume Highway through Camden, heading towards

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<v Speaker 4>her home in Bargo. A council ranger happened to be

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<v Speaker 4>driving behind her and noted down the daytime and number

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<v Speaker 4>plate GV two thousand. The officer didn't see the driver,

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<v Speaker 4>but Rochelle was a smoker. Fine for littering was later issued,

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<v Speaker 4>but of course it would never be paid. Rochelle's exact

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<v Speaker 4>movements over the following nine hours remain a mystery. In

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<v Speaker 4>the early hours of Friday morning, security guard Craig Duck

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<v Speaker 4>is on duty and heading to his next job. He's

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<v Speaker 4>passing through seven Mile Beach, one hundred kilometers south of

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<v Speaker 4>Bargo in the coastal town of GIRoA, when he suddenly

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<v Speaker 4>compelled to stop.

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<v Speaker 5>So off I get I'm driving through I've seen this

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<v Speaker 5>fire on the right hand side, and I've gone in.

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<v Speaker 5>This is where I don't forget anything because it plays

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<v Speaker 5>on my mind all the time. I've walked in and

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't think much of it. I'm trying to kick

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<v Speaker 5>this fire out and as I'm kicking scend onto it,

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<v Speaker 5>it's coming back at me. Fee I said, it's ain't right,

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<v Speaker 5>and I thought, okay, I'm only grab my torch because

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<v Speaker 5>this is not normal. So we went back out the

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<v Speaker 5>same way I went in, grabbed me a torch and

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<v Speaker 5>all of a sudden, I got this flash of a

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<v Speaker 5>gold in the face and I'm going back and there

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<v Speaker 5>was a Bengal on a hand.

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<v Speaker 13>And I'm going Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Made that phone call again a triple A in saying

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<v Speaker 5>this is Craig Duck again. I need police here as well.

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<v Speaker 5>I've got a crime scene.

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<v Speaker 6>At this stage.

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<v Speaker 4>Rochelle's family and friends have no idea she's even missing.

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<v Speaker 4>Fiona recalls canceling her plans to meet Rochelle that night.

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<v Speaker 9>We'd organized for these drinks on the Thursday to go

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<v Speaker 9>and have a drink, and I.

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<v Speaker 6>Said, I'm not going to go.

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<v Speaker 9>I've been on the phone all night. I'm just going

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<v Speaker 9>to go home, and we had that conversation down in

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<v Speaker 9>the train carriage where anybody could have heard that conversation,

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<v Speaker 9>that the plans had changed, that she was just going

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<v Speaker 9>straight home.

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<v Speaker 4>And what was the moment that you realized something was wrong.

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<v Speaker 7>I got a phone call from Fiona. It was a

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<v Speaker 7>Friday morning, or around lunchtime, and Fie said, I can't

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<v Speaker 7>get hold of Rochelle and I don't know where she is.

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<v Speaker 4>Rochelle's rosted off on the Friday, but she tells Fiona

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<v Speaker 4>she's going to be popping into work anyway, but she

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<v Speaker 4>never turns.

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<v Speaker 9>Up the Friday night. When I got down to her face,

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<v Speaker 9>I'd been trying all day for her. Not to have

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<v Speaker 9>a mobile on was really unusual, and she knew I

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<v Speaker 9>was coming on the Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't find her. She's not answering her phone.

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<v Speaker 9>When I arrived at her house, the lights were.

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<v Speaker 7>All on, the car's not here, Ralfi hasn't been fed,

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<v Speaker 7>and the telly was still on, and I went, oh, okay,

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<v Speaker 7>So I tried to call.

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<v Speaker 9>And the windows were like, the blinds were open. I

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<v Speaker 9>could see it looked like she'd literally just left, gotten

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<v Speaker 9>changed and left.

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<v Speaker 7>It was Friday night that we realized something was seriously

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<v Speaker 7>wrong because no one had heard from her all day,

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<v Speaker 7>and that was very unusual. She would talk to multiple

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<v Speaker 7>people multiple times a day, so to not be able

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<v Speaker 7>to get hold of her, it was very strange. So

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<v Speaker 7>that's when that's when it started to get real. Friday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 7>That night, we called police stations. We called all of

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<v Speaker 7>the hospitals. We traveled around up and down the road

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<v Speaker 7>to see whether we could find maybe she had an accident,

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<v Speaker 7>because we.

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<v Speaker 9>Were just trying anywhere to say as anything happened, is

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<v Speaker 9>there any police stations, you know, like just frantic.

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<v Speaker 6>My best friend's missing and I'm really worried.

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<v Speaker 7>And then the next day I'd printed out posters that

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<v Speaker 7>said missing and her picture and I can't even remember

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<v Speaker 7>where I went, but giving it to everyone in the community.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a.

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<v Speaker 7>Job where I used to cook the barbecue. I had

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<v Speaker 7>three jobs, but one of them while I was at union.

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<v Speaker 7>One of them was to cook the barbecue at the

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<v Speaker 7>markets on a Saturday morning, and she was supposed to

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<v Speaker 7>come there and she was going to bring her friend's

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<v Speaker 7>daughter today with her. So I went there because I

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<v Speaker 7>thought she said she was going to come, So I

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<v Speaker 7>just waited for her for hours and hours and hours,

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<v Speaker 7>and I can't remember the beautiful lady I worked with there.

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<v Speaker 7>At about ten o'clock, she said, you need to call

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<v Speaker 7>your parents, and that's when I called Mama dad and

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<v Speaker 7>said she's missing.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't find her.

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<v Speaker 3>The everyone was just very displaced, and Christie rang us

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<v Speaker 3>on the Saturday and said that I can't find Michelle.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought, what he mean, you can't find that? She's somewhere?

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe she stay did her friend's place last night?

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<v Speaker 4>And what was that drive like back to Bargo.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't remember. It was just a big blur. I

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<v Speaker 3>went straight to Bargo and Chris was there. I just

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<v Speaker 3>remember getting all fliers and taking it out to local

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<v Speaker 3>pubs and places around to sif anyone has seen or

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<v Speaker 3>heard of her, and rang with her work and know

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<v Speaker 3>what they didn't know where she was.

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<v Speaker 4>The search engers its second day, and then a breakthrough

0:18:22.960 --> 0:18:26.000
<v Speaker 4>on Saturday. The family is told Rochelle was supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>meet someone at the Bargo Hotel on Thursday night. The

0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:38.040
<v Speaker 4>pub's almost two kilometers away from her place. It's a

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<v Speaker 4>typical country pub on the main drag Back in two

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and one, It's painted red and green. Upstairs. You

0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:47.960
<v Speaker 4>can find a cheap room downstairs as a bistro, a

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<v Speaker 4>sports bar, pokies and a jukebox. Every Thursday is Paul

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<v Speaker 4>Competition night and also topless Waitress Night, so most punters

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<v Speaker 4>on a Thursday are typically men.

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<v Speaker 7>I haven't been able to figure out why and why

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<v Speaker 7>at Bargo Pub did she go? If she did go there,

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<v Speaker 7>why did she meet someone there? If it was someone

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<v Speaker 7>she knew, why didn't she meet them at home?

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<v Speaker 4>Had you ever gone to the Bargo Hotel with Rachelle?

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<v Speaker 6>No? Never, never. I didn't really even know she'd gone.

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<v Speaker 9>I'd never heard of the Bargo Hotel. If she'd mentioned

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<v Speaker 9>the Bargo Hotel, it would have been one of the

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<v Speaker 9>first stops on that Friday night.

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<v Speaker 7>She would never walk into a new place alone, and

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<v Speaker 7>she would never go and meet someone new alone. She

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<v Speaker 7>used to drag me around to parties, and as soon

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<v Speaker 7>as she was in there and felt confident, she'd forget

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<v Speaker 7>I was there. So she was a little shy in

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<v Speaker 7>that sort of respect.

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<v Speaker 9>She knew too many people to walk into a place

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<v Speaker 9>on her own. She didn't have to ever walk anywhere

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<v Speaker 9>on her own or go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 7>On her own, and she wouldn't go and meet someone

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<v Speaker 7>that she didn't know, and if she was going to,

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<v Speaker 7>she wouldn't go alone.

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<v Speaker 4>While the families desperately search for any trace of Rachelle,

0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.200
<v Speaker 4>police are trying to make sense of Craig Duck's shocking

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<v Speaker 4>discovery at Seven Mile Beach.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what I was going through. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>really know. I was just going through, okay, the sort

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<v Speaker 5>of bengle that flashed up in my eyes, so I

0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:26.040
<v Speaker 5>knew that I knew it had to be a female.

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<v Speaker 14>The operator asked me a few questions, and I was like, well,

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<v Speaker 14>there's all this noise, and there's cars, and there's something

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<v Speaker 14>going on outside. My dog won't stop barking, and I

0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:36.879
<v Speaker 14>can't go to sleep, and now I think there's a

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<v Speaker 14>fire and I don't know what's going on, but somebody

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<v Speaker 14>needs to get down here because we're quite isolated. But

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<v Speaker 14>then it was a fairly short time after that that

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<v Speaker 14>I'd started hearing sirens.

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<v Speaker 5>Next thing you know, as a police are coming, why

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<v Speaker 5>are we going to get there? Or walked up beside

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<v Speaker 5>their truck and I said, guys, you can't tell me

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<v Speaker 5>this is a crime scene area.

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<v Speaker 14>My name is Carmen and in two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 14>my husband and I were the on site managers of

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<v Speaker 14>seven mob Beach Holiday Park, which is approximately five hundred

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<v Speaker 14>or so meters from where Rachelle was found.

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<v Speaker 5>Once the police got there, the officer's dawning of taking

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<v Speaker 5>the officer in showing her situation.

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<v Speaker 14>And it's a long weekend. I've got three little boys

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<v Speaker 14>asleep in bed, my dog's going crazy. There's horrible noises outside.

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<v Speaker 14>Something's not right.

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<v Speaker 4>How big was the fire at this stage?

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<v Speaker 5>It was conforming to one area, but it was quite high.

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<v Speaker 14>I can sense my emotions, you know, taking me back

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<v Speaker 14>to that moment and that sort of fearful moment and

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<v Speaker 14>not knowing what I was hearing. And I could hear yelling,

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<v Speaker 14>and then I could hear a few sort of like

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<v Speaker 14>awful noise, says.

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<v Speaker 4>What was that twenty minutes? Like for you standing at

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<v Speaker 4>this crime scene, knowing what was burning.

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<v Speaker 5>It was horrific.

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<v Speaker 14>If I was the last person to ever hear her,

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<v Speaker 14>or you know, it was the last place she was

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<v Speaker 14>ever alive, I feel some sort of connection and I

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<v Speaker 14>feel so sad for her family.

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<v Speaker 4>That's so emotional.

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<v Speaker 3>After August time.

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<v Speaker 4>Back in Bargo, Rachelle's family and friends are rushing to

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<v Speaker 4>the local pub where her car has been found parked

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<v Speaker 4>out the back.

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<v Speaker 7>We got into the car and I remember sitting in

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<v Speaker 7>the car and going, there's something wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>The club block was on upside down.

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<v Speaker 7>And she had a specific way that she used to

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<v Speaker 7>put the club block on the hand or that people

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<v Speaker 7>used to point down. She would point up and jam

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<v Speaker 7>it in the corner of the windscreen and then she'd

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<v Speaker 7>lock the steering wheel.

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<v Speaker 2>And that wasn't done. It was upside down.

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<v Speaker 9>She would sit like hanging back the sort of cruisy

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<v Speaker 9>arm and you know, like she'd have the smoke and

0:23:16.040 --> 0:23:19.480
<v Speaker 9>you know, like but it wasn't sort of positioned like that.

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<v Speaker 7>She did used to have her seat really far back,

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<v Speaker 7>but it was really far back. And I remember looking

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<v Speaker 7>at the car, going something seriously wrong here. And she

0:23:31.359 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 7>didn't park this year. So I got out of the

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<v Speaker 7>car and that's when I knew something bad.

0:23:35.880 --> 0:23:36.399
<v Speaker 2>It happened.

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<v Speaker 4>Christine her friends are racking their brains as to who

0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 4>would have driven Rachelle's car anywhere, let alone to the

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<v Speaker 4>Bargo Hotel. Meanwhile, a murder investigation is well and truly

0:23:55.200 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 4>underway at seven Mile Beach, GIRoA at a nearby hospit.

0:24:00.760 --> 0:24:04.560
<v Speaker 4>A young woman's badly burned body has been formally identified

0:24:05.160 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 4>and South Coast detectives are making the hour drive to Bargo.

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<v Speaker 7>I was at home at Bargo, probably printing out more posters,

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<v Speaker 7>so sitting at the computer, and I saw the detectives

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<v Speaker 7>pull up and was ither Davies and Peter Street. They

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<v Speaker 7>pulled up out the front and got out of the

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<v Speaker 7>car and walked in, and I was hopeful. When they

0:24:27.119 --> 0:24:29.960
<v Speaker 7>walked in, I thought, oh, they've found her, They've come

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<v Speaker 7>to tell us something.

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<v Speaker 9>And they came inside. I was on the lounge. Christy

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<v Speaker 9>was sort of over thinking of like a piano stool

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<v Speaker 9>or another ground ever.

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<v Speaker 7>Walked up to me and looked me in the eye,

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<v Speaker 7>put his left hand on my shoulder and said, your

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<v Speaker 7>sister's dead. She was murdered and she was found down

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<v Speaker 7>at GIRoA.

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<v Speaker 9>When they said they they found someone at GIRoA, my

0:25:03.080 --> 0:25:06.119
<v Speaker 9>first words were, where the fuck is GIRoA? Where the

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:06.919
<v Speaker 9>fuck is GIRoA?

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<v Speaker 2>What what do you mean?

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know what happened after that. I think I

0:25:10.200 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 7>screamed and Fiona was there and she was hysterical. I

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:18.080
<v Speaker 7>couldn't even think and then I looked up and Mom

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:19.959
<v Speaker 7>and Dad had pulled up out the front, and I went, oh,

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:21.919
<v Speaker 7>I can't be here for this, so I went out

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<v Speaker 7>the back and then yeah, then I ever told Mum

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<v Speaker 7>and Dad.

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<v Speaker 3>Was at the house at Bargo. We just gotten there,

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:33.199
<v Speaker 3>and I Dave, he detective came out to tell us,

0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:36.919
<v Speaker 3>and Christy was selling the house and the and we

0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 3>knew song was terribly wrong by this point, it just

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 3>wasn't Shell. She always would ring Crystal, always contact us.

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:48.040
<v Speaker 3>And when he said it, I said, oh, look, I

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<v Speaker 3>am that you sure like what?

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<v Speaker 2>And oh yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>They said that she was found on the early hours

0:25:55.080 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 3>of Friday morning. I just started the long weekend. Yeah,

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 3>she was dead.

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<v Speaker 4>How do you even begin to process such devastating news.

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:09.679
<v Speaker 2>You can't.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't know what to do with it. It's just

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 3>it's just unbelievable. This doesn't happen. Yeah, it was so

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 3>hard for Christie. Was awful, time, awful.

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<v Speaker 6>Goosebumps just thinking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 11>Anyway, I get in my car, drive home and then

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<v Speaker 11>I remember I was speaking to a friend of mine, Darren,

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<v Speaker 11>and then Fiona called and I'm like, oh, that's weird.

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:45.440
<v Speaker 6>I'm going to hang up and a speak to Fiona

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:47.639
<v Speaker 6>and they're like, hey, we found Shell And I'm like,

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.639
<v Speaker 6>oh my god, where the hell is she? You know,

0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:51.840
<v Speaker 6>with this oh I'm going to wring her neck type

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<v Speaker 6>of thing. And she goes, oh at hospital. I'm like, oh, okay,

0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:55.520
<v Speaker 6>which one?

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<v Speaker 11>And she said, oh, sorry she no, Lisa, she's not

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<v Speaker 11>She's dead.

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<v Speaker 6>And I just fell out of the car. No one

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<v Speaker 6>was home, and I dragged myself on the floor and something.

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<v Speaker 6>I got to the.

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<v Speaker 11>Front door and then I remember ringing and straightway Michelle's

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<v Speaker 11>mum and just saying is it true?

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<v Speaker 6>She answered, and I said is it true? And she

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<v Speaker 6>said yes.

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<v Speaker 4>When you saw Rochelle's face for the first time in

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<v Speaker 4>the news days later, how did that affect you?

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<v Speaker 5>I couldn't believe it. I thought, she's only your baby Wire,

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<v Speaker 5>Why would anyone do that to you? Too? Well, you

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<v Speaker 5>know read that she played cricket and meeting King of

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<v Speaker 5>the Road Peter Rock and stuff like that, Like just

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<v Speaker 5>what a lucky girl at the time, you know, what

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<v Speaker 5>a beautiful life she had in front of her.

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<v Speaker 4>Craig Ducker's referring to a photograph he had seen of

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<v Speaker 4>Rochelle with her idol Australian racing legend Peter Brock. That

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<v Speaker 4>photo was splashed across newspapers and national TV screens as

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<v Speaker 4>police hunted her killer. An autopsy couldn't determine Rochelle's cause

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<v Speaker 4>of debt, but it was suspected she was smothered or strangled.

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<v Speaker 4>At least one of her fingers was also detached. She

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<v Speaker 4>was found naked from the waist down, leading detectives convinced

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<v Speaker 4>she was raped. The first lead investigator into Rochelle's murder

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<v Speaker 4>was a cop called Ivor Davies. Christie and I headed

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<v Speaker 4>to meet him back at GIRoA, where Craig found Rochelle's body.

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<v Speaker 4>Although years ago, I'm curious to ask either how heavily

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<v Speaker 4>does a case like that weigh on you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, some things sit with you, whether it's the

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<v Speaker 1>one that got away, or whether it's a really really

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<v Speaker 1>bad one that you can't get out of your head.

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<v Speaker 1>And now a lot of the takers out there have

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<v Speaker 1>got that. I'll drive past this road on the regular

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<v Speaker 1>and I always look here when I'm driving through, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was that there had been something else which she'd

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<v Speaker 1>left me, something else, because I want a closure for

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<v Speaker 1>the family, and it annoyed me that we never ever

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<v Speaker 1>got there, and I think of her from time to time.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't think of anything we would have done different

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<v Speaker 1>because we'd done everything we could. I'm just sorry I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't there to push on.

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<v Speaker 4>The killer clearly wasn't trying to hide her body. What

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<v Speaker 4>do you make of that? Well, I think they went.

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<v Speaker 1>To great lengths to hide her body, but it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>work out, so then it was just had hopily done

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<v Speaker 1>in haste. Just they've had enough. They must have been

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<v Speaker 1>driving around with the corpse and the body what an heiress,

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<v Speaker 1>And I just think that when this didn't pan out,

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<v Speaker 1>they've had enough. We're not going to just put a

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<v Speaker 1>rear torch and get the evidences get out of dodge.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you like this case to be reopened, because right

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<v Speaker 4>now it's not an active case.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm hoping perhaps because of what you're doing, it

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<v Speaker 1>may inspire some sort of motivation to push on. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm absolutely sure in my heart that we've interviewed the crook.

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<v Speaker 14>He's in that brief.

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<v Speaker 10>I feel so indebted to Ivor because I know that

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<v Speaker 10>he put his hand soil into it, and he's still

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<v Speaker 10>even though it doesn't it work for the police anymore.

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<v Speaker 10>He's still summarizing and thinking about it, and yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 10>just beautiful.

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<v Speaker 4>It was on this day Christy learned more about why

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<v Speaker 4>this case has halted him.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't know that he was the one that lifted

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<v Speaker 7>Rochelle out of where she was found.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even just found that out.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's terrific, and that would be something I don't

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<v Speaker 7>think if that would never leave.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't unsee that, you can't unfeel that. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's horrible.

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<v Speaker 4>Rochelle's case was the last murder investigation either Davies would

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<v Speaker 4>ever work on. In the years that followed, countless more

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<v Speaker 4>cops would try but failed to solve Rochelle's murder. If

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to get justice for her family, we need

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<v Speaker 4>to do something bold.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, you've got to think outside the square and when

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<v Speaker 12>you take your blinkers off in these sort of investigations

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<v Speaker 12>and not be narrow minded.

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<v Speaker 4>So I've turned to Damien Loon, a thirty year veteran

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<v Speaker 4>who's known for cracking cold cases. He was the dogged

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<v Speaker 4>detective who was vital in the success of my inspiring

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<v Speaker 4>colleague Headley Thomas's podcast, The Teacher's Pet.

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<v Speaker 12>So I Chronic Greeka, believing your twenty tip you've seen

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<v Speaker 12>in Constable Damien looms Fell all told on conducting an

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<v Speaker 12>investigation into the disappearance of Lament Join Dawson.

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<v Speaker 4>The Teacher's PEP was one of Australia's first and most

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<v Speaker 4>powerful true crime podcasts, which led to the conviction of

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<v Speaker 4>Chris Dawson for the murder of his wife Lynn. For

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<v Speaker 4>decades he'd gone unpunished.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, all the skills that I used through my experience

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<v Speaker 12>of the investigation into Chris Dawson's homicide of his wife Lynn,

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<v Speaker 12>I'm now using those skills to help find out who

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<v Speaker 12>murdered Rachelle Childs.

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<v Speaker 4>I first met Damien at the airport in early twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty four to give him a copy of Rochelle's Brief

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<v Speaker 4>of Evidence, a closely guarded police file full of thousands

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<v Speaker 4>of pieces of information, statements, reports and exhibits. Damien, how

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<v Speaker 4>are you, Ashley Hands, Nice to meet you. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 4>joining the team. I haven't told Anne and Christy yet.

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<v Speaker 4>They're going to be stoked to just have someone with

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<v Speaker 4>your experience and expertise on the case.

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<v Speaker 6>Or oh he's Damian.

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<v Speaker 13>Thanks for everyone coming together so Christy and Anne, I

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<v Speaker 13>just want you to meet Damian Loon. I asked Damien

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<v Speaker 13>a couple of weeks ago if he would help us

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<v Speaker 13>on Rochelle's.

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<v Speaker 4>Case, and he didn't hesitate. He said absolutely.

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<v Speaker 7>That is so cool, that's amazing. It's lovely to meet

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<v Speaker 7>you longtime fans.

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<v Speaker 12>Oh, thanks Christy and and I know what you guys

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<v Speaker 12>have gone through over the years, and I can't say

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<v Speaker 12>I know everything. I fulfill for you. And the most

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<v Speaker 12>important part about what happened to Rachelle is that this

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<v Speaker 12>matter is solvable. But I can't promise you it'll get

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<v Speaker 12>that far. I'll tell you what. I have a bloody

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<v Speaker 12>good go at it.

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<v Speaker 4>And why did you say yes to help with this one?

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<v Speaker 12>I've had so many people have asked been again on

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<v Speaker 12>board with MADA. I've retired as a police officer. I

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<v Speaker 12>don't have any powers as a police officer, but this

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<v Speaker 12>one strikes a memory with me because it was a

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<v Speaker 12>young person in the prime of a life like Lynn.

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<v Speaker 12>Had everything look forward to, a responsible job, had a

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<v Speaker 12>loving family, wasn't a risk taker, and yet she's been

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<v Speaker 12>callously murdered and dumped far from her hometown in a

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<v Speaker 12>seaside side of giraua in a bushlang Grave and Burnt

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<v Speaker 12>the guy have no doubt in my mind that this

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<v Speaker 12>was a sexually motivated attack. Rachelle knew her killer and

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<v Speaker 12>she trusted him.

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<v Speaker 4>Can you solve this case?

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<v Speaker 12>This case is solvable, and there's somewhere in this brief

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<v Speaker 12>defenders in this if he's named in this group, somewhere

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<v Speaker 12>if Fender responsible for this crime, is still alive.

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<v Speaker 4>And there's so much more to unravel. On the next

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<v Speaker 4>episode of Dear Rochelle.

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<v Speaker 12>Rochelle was placed was within three hundred and sixteen leaders

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<v Speaker 12>aware jdphesis's body of us vacated.

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<v Speaker 14>I started thinking, gosh, this is going to be one

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<v Speaker 14>of those stories like Ivan.

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<v Speaker 2>Milat to join the dots.

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<v Speaker 6>Are they connected somehow?

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<v Speaker 1>They had five or six persons of interest to me,

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<v Speaker 1>there was a fundamental issue with the investigation.

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<v Speaker 6>Fucking blame on me, not because I'm in a biplot.

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<v Speaker 12>Have we got a serial killer on our hands or

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<v Speaker 12>have we got someone that's involved in both homicides.

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<v Speaker 4>Oscar Vieira. We sound designed by Martin Perolta, thanks also

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<v Speaker 4>to Greg Thompson and Lenny Panerz. Show Burreo Fayguld, Vanessa Grabb,

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<v Speaker 4>Hailey Goddard, Stephen Grice, Charlotte Carp Tina Coggins and Harry Hughes.

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<v Speaker 4>Special thanks to the Daily Telegraph editor Ben English and

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<v Speaker 4>dear Rochelle would not be possible without the help and

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<v Speaker 4>our wavering supporter Christian Ann Childs, Mindy Wicks, Damian Loon

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<v Speaker 4>and Rachelle's friends. This podcast series is hosted and investigated

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<v Speaker 4>by me Ashley Hanson