WEBVTT - Credlin | 10 August

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<v Speaker 1>Predo Quedlin Live from You twenty four.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening. Great to have your company. Parliament back this week.

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<v Speaker 2>A whole lot on is what's coming up tonight on Credline.

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<v Speaker 2>The latest polling's got Labor at its lowest point since

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<v Speaker 2>Julia Gillard was dumb for Kevin Rudmark two. Alban Easy

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<v Speaker 2>wants the working class heroes now anything but as one

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<v Speaker 2>nation continues to steal support from Labor, a new lobby

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<v Speaker 2>group's being formed. It's called Fix Victoria and they venture

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<v Speaker 2>the campaign race. And they arrived with a bang, launching

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<v Speaker 2>a graphic new ad aimed at exposing Victoria's debt crisis. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>toe you who they are. I'll introduce you to them

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<v Speaker 2>and play you the ad a little later tonight, Plus

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<v Speaker 2>Census Week, the Big Night tomorrow and Art of course.

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<v Speaker 2>Plenty of controversy still around questions of faith and what

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<v Speaker 2>appears to be a concerted push to strength and claims

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<v Speaker 2>that Australia is giving up on religion and Anthony Alban

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<v Speaker 2>Easy back in damaged control yet again over a woman,

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<v Speaker 2>yet again, this time the Japanese ambassador warning him that

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<v Speaker 2>his crude joke has damaged his standing in.

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<v Speaker 3>Japan comments were beneath the office of Prime Minister. They

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<v Speaker 3>were insulting and the Prime Minister should make a personal apology.

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<v Speaker 2>As I said. The politicians are back in Canberra today,

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<v Speaker 2>Parliament of course resuming tomorrow, making it an uncomfortable return

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<v Speaker 2>for many. For Labor, it's yet another bad news poll

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<v Speaker 2>in a horror stretch of bad polls starting back before

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<v Speaker 2>the May budget. Sure, but really tanking since those tax

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<v Speaker 2>changes were announced, which cent Australia's property market into free fall,

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<v Speaker 2>auction clearance rates, house value falls, banks reporting a massive

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<v Speaker 2>drop off in mortgage applications. Whatever measure you want to

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<v Speaker 2>look at, it's catastrophic. With Labour's primary vote now at

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<v Speaker 2>an incredibly low twenty nine percent, you have to go

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<v Speaker 2>back to the dog days of the Gillard era to

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<v Speaker 2>find a result that bad. Across almost every portfolio. Ministerial

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<v Speaker 2>performance for the Albanesi government is subpar. Across almost every

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<v Speaker 2>economic indicator, performance for the Albanesi government is subpar, including

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<v Speaker 2>confirmation that but for one other country, Australia is the

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<v Speaker 2>worst in the OCD for business taxation. We all know

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<v Speaker 2>that personal and tax two is way too high, but

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<v Speaker 2>beyond the real world impacts on all of us as

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<v Speaker 2>a result of bad policy out of Canberra. Is the

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<v Speaker 2>intangible stuff very deep in these numbers. By that, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's that in addition to the metrics that tell

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<v Speaker 2>you whether government's doing a good or a bad job

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<v Speaker 2>on things like GDP or employment data or inflation, it's

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<v Speaker 2>where the governments are trusted on the intangibles like credibility,

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<v Speaker 2>like competence and character. And this is where the prime

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<v Speaker 2>minister is Minister after minister with barely an exception, are

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<v Speaker 2>hurting most. This is a government that should be unassailable

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<v Speaker 2>in the polls, having just won another term twelve months

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<v Speaker 2>ago and a record parliamentary majority, it should be untouchable,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not. Indeed, but for the splintering of the

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<v Speaker 2>vote on the right, the big story right now would

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<v Speaker 2>be that the Albanezer government is in trouble. That voter

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<v Speaker 2>remorse is now deep, its consistent poll after poll, and

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<v Speaker 2>it is worstening. But because the rights no longer a

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<v Speaker 2>coesive block of votes behind the official opposition, inevitably the

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<v Speaker 2>right becomes the story now, particularly the coalition. Partly that's

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<v Speaker 2>because frankly, they deserve to be the story. A decade

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<v Speaker 2>of week Liberal leadership has left a shaken base. And

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<v Speaker 2>while Angus Taylor is certainly saying all the right things

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<v Speaker 2>and sure tougher than every one of his predecessors on

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<v Speaker 2>from Turnbull, there is just not enough meat on the

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<v Speaker 2>policy bones to make the coalition competitive. Take migration. The

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<v Speaker 2>Liberals talk tough, but they still haven't given us a number. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Four months ago, Home Affairs Shadow Minister John o'donnham said

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<v Speaker 2>he was quitting the parliament, but still no reshuffle to

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<v Speaker 2>replace him and boost the firepower in one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most critical portfolios this parliamentary term. Labour's bleeding on migration.

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Burke was supposed to make those big announcements last week,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was rolled in cabinet. We were then told

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<v Speaker 2>they would come this week. Well apparently that's not happening either,

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<v Speaker 2>as division is mounting its next week now we're told

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<v Speaker 2>so when your opponents in trouble, this is where oppositions

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<v Speaker 2>are supposed to lift. This is where the Coalition should

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<v Speaker 2>be well in front and playing to a home ground

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<v Speaker 2>advantage given as decades long record on border protection. But

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<v Speaker 2>sadly that's not happening. Plenty of tough talk. As I said,

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of retric but nowhere near enough concrete detail would

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<v Speaker 2>cut through. And that's the problem. Policy limbo is what

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<v Speaker 2>killed Peter Dutton. Policy ambiguity is what killed Susan Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>Unless Taylor and Hume act fast and sort out the

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<v Speaker 2>process constipation inside shadow Cabinet and the whole policy process,

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<v Speaker 2>it will kill them too. Again. Between when he was

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<v Speaker 2>the first elected Opposition leader in December nine and then

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<v Speaker 2>when he faced that federal election in twenty ten, Abbott

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<v Speaker 2>had eight months only to work up policies and gets

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<v Speaker 2>across the detail, and that happened. We did it. I

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<v Speaker 2>say we here because as well as being as chief

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<v Speaker 2>of Staff I was also the Secretary the Shadow Cabinet

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<v Speaker 2>at the time. Now in this opposition that job's with

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<v Speaker 2>a Newish MP, Zoe Mackenzie. So enough of the handwringing

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<v Speaker 2>and excuses collectively everyone out there in the coalition. If

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a job to do, come on, get moving.

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<v Speaker 2>Housing is another area where labour is incredibly vulnerable. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>we all want a fair go for first home buyers.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't want it to be any harder for them

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<v Speaker 2>than it was for any of us. But We don't

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<v Speaker 2>want it to be risky either where people buy something

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<v Speaker 2>that they can't afford or they have a line that

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<v Speaker 2>they can't service should circumstances change as inevievitably they will.

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<v Speaker 2>Nor does anyone who has a home or paying off

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<v Speaker 2>a home want their values to fall because government's put

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<v Speaker 2>in place policies that are not thought through. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening now. The really rich you, okay, they're instulated

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<v Speaker 2>from all of this. It's middle Australia who are getting

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<v Speaker 2>hit and hit hard as labor push on using the

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<v Speaker 2>tax system as a method of wealth redistribution socialism by stealth.

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<v Speaker 2>A big part of the Albanezer government's image problem is Albanzi.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gone from being the bloke with his face on

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<v Speaker 2>a beer can to someone who seems addicted to the

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<v Speaker 2>Champagne high life. This is where labor is losing people

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<v Speaker 2>because in the toss toss up between Albanizi and Pauline Hansen,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the former fish and ship owner who's beating the

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<v Speaker 2>Housing commission kid hands down. Albanize is fast losing working

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<v Speaker 2>class support and he will struggle to get them back. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about the clowns and the shay gevar

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<v Speaker 2>or the yes voiced t shirts and the colored hair

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<v Speaker 2>down in Brunswick Street or Marrickful. I'm talking about mum

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<v Speaker 2>and dad average out in the dormitory suburbs of our

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<v Speaker 2>big cities. The people on fixed incomes, worried about their

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<v Speaker 2>power bills, people worried about interrast rate hikes, the rent

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<v Speaker 2>filling out the car, And rather than look like he's

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<v Speaker 2>focused on them, Alban Easy is looking more and more

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<v Speaker 2>out of touch, like it's all gone to his head,

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<v Speaker 2>that it's the trappings of the top job that matters

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<v Speaker 2>most to him now, not the voters that put him there. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>When was the last time he saw Alban Easy do

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<v Speaker 2>a proper press conference? Did he answer those tough questions

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<v Speaker 2>about the isis women and the isis bend properly? No

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't. Did he lie about not touching negative gearing

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<v Speaker 2>and capital gains? Or yes he did? And instead of

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<v Speaker 2>facing real scrutiny, he chooses to sit down with influences

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<v Speaker 2>and talks smut on a podcast. I mean, is this

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<v Speaker 2>really where we are at? A man who likes to

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<v Speaker 2>lecture others about how they should be respectful, making a

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<v Speaker 2>jibe about Japan's first ever female prime minister and her

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<v Speaker 2>gift to Australia during an official visit. This was, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>the same infamous podcast where Albanese admitted to wanting to

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<v Speaker 2>shag Kylie Minogu jag Mary date Kylie Minogue Kylie. Clearly

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<v Speaker 2>he married Kylie and shagger and data.

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<v Speaker 1>All of the above.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if that wasn't bad enough for a newly

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<v Speaker 2>weir bloke on his second marriage, it's the diplomatic fallout

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<v Speaker 2>from his offensive talk about Japan's prime minister that's hurting

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<v Speaker 2>him today, after Japan's former ambassador to Australia rightly called

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<v Speaker 2>out Albanese's sexism. Now, this is how it played out

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<v Speaker 2>today on Breakfast TV. The Japanese Prime minister brought a melon.

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<v Speaker 2>How did he get that through custom?

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<v Speaker 4>It's a royal melon.

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<v Speaker 2>She smuggled. It was a she.

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<v Speaker 4>Shed, she smuggle it. I don't know. I got a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of melons she brought to. She brought to as

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<v Speaker 4>you do.

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<v Speaker 2>She just came in looking like Pamela Randers. She brought

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<v Speaker 2>to yes, and they're beautiful.

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<v Speaker 5>Tanya, the former ambassador has said this morning. This was insulting, unthoughtful,

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<v Speaker 5>and that the last thing that Japanese PM was expecting

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<v Speaker 5>was quote to be so casually mocked by Australia's leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you agree and.

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<v Speaker 6>No, no, I completely disagree with that interpretation of what

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<v Speaker 6>the Prime Minister was saying. I completely disagree that he

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<v Speaker 6>was in any way making the suggestion that you're proposing,

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<v Speaker 6>or that the former ambassador is proposing.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, no way. Oh come on, Tanya. When the bloke

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<v Speaker 2>sits there on the couch and is doing this one

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<v Speaker 2>with melons about a female, you know exactly what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I know, and everyone watching it knows exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on here. I can't believe you would defend

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<v Speaker 2>that smart. I mean, remember the outcry when Tony Ever

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<v Speaker 2>dared to look at his watch in the Parliament after

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<v Speaker 2>that morning blow up. Albanezy tried to then get away

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<v Speaker 2>with a written statement on the incident. But sorry, mate,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not good enough. It's absolutely weak.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that those comments have been round the condemned,

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<v Speaker 6>and when they were grubby, they were inappropriate. And if

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<v Speaker 6>you offend a woman, you should apologize to that woman.

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<v Speaker 2>You should apologize personally, not in a statement.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that the Prime.

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<v Speaker 2>Minister owes the Prime Minister of Japan a personal apologies.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not forget Luke Gosling either charged with assault. The

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<v Speaker 2>PM says he won't be standing him down again if

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<v Speaker 2>Gosling was charged. Imagine this if he was charged with

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<v Speaker 2>assaulting a woman rather than the Crown's male representative of

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<v Speaker 2>the NT. What do you think the outcome would be there?

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<v Speaker 2>I think we all know the answer to that. You

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<v Speaker 2>either have standards or you don't. And too often under

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<v Speaker 2>this Prime Minister, he won't admit error, he won't apologize,

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<v Speaker 2>and instead digs in or just lies.

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<v Speaker 4>I stepped off the stage.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't fall over on my backside.

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<v Speaker 4>I stumbled. That's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>In wonder Albanez is such a close made of Daniel Andrews,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's who he now reminds me of peas in

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<v Speaker 2>a pod, two men out of Labour's left faction who

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<v Speaker 2>love the trappings of office and Beijing in equal measure.

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<v Speaker 2>We know what happened to Dan Andrews, don't we. When

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<v Speaker 2>you fall from grace, Prime Minister, you fall hard and

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<v Speaker 2>you fall fast. All right, let's get the headlines now

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<v Speaker 2>from camera as I said didn't have a question time today.

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<v Speaker 2>They'll be back at it tomorrow though, and joining us

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<v Speaker 2>down with the headlines. Political reporter Ribbon Spargo Good evening.

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<v Speaker 8>Pressure is mounting on the Alberanzi government as it prepares

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<v Speaker 8>to resett Australia's migration settings. One nation is accusing Labor

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<v Speaker 8>of pursuing a secret plan to bring in one million migrants,

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<v Speaker 8>pointing to the gap between the government's past projections and

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<v Speaker 8>the outcomes. The Opposition leader is also firing.

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<v Speaker 3>Immigration too high and housing supply too low on Labour's

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<v Speaker 3>own numbers, this is an absolute utter failure.

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<v Speaker 8>The Home Affairs Minister was expected to unvowl Labour's migration

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<v Speaker 8>reset last week. News twenty four understands an announcement this

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<v Speaker 8>week appears unlikely at this stage. The Prime Minister and

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<v Speaker 8>the Opposition leader have met to discuss the news bargaining incentive.

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<v Speaker 8>The model is designed to force big tech platforms to

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<v Speaker 8>pay for news content. Labor is facing backlash from media

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<v Speaker 8>companies after it proposed capping the levy is a percentage

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<v Speaker 8>of digital advertising revenue rather than gross annual revenues. Gambling

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<v Speaker 8>incentives are said to be restricted or banned in a

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<v Speaker 8>bid to protect vulnerable Australians from themselves. The Coalition, Greens

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<v Speaker 8>and Cross Bench are calling on the government to strengthen

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<v Speaker 8>its proposed reforms.

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<v Speaker 7>This will be the strongest anti gambling legislation that Australia

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<v Speaker 7>has ever seen.

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<v Speaker 8>Parliament returns tomorrow and the Government aims to have the

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<v Speaker 8>legislation passed within a fortnight.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we had a bad poll today all the

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<v Speaker 2>major parties. This is news poll in the Australian. All

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<v Speaker 2>major parties are down one point. Labor and One Nation

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<v Speaker 2>locked at twenty nine percent, Coalition on eighteen percent. As

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<v Speaker 2>I said, this is back to the dog days of

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<v Speaker 2>Julia Gillard for Labor. Gentlemen. Now our News twenty four

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<v Speaker 2>political contributor Christy Women Chris, I've got an update on

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<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister and Japan. We'll get to that in

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<v Speaker 2>the moment, but let's get through these polls. At twenty

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<v Speaker 2>nine primary. I made the point at the top of

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<v Speaker 2>the show Labor's not long won an election. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they've got a record majority in the parliament. The Coalition

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<v Speaker 2>is at war with One Nation on the right. They

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<v Speaker 2>should be unassailable and they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's right, Petery.

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<v Speaker 3>We would never have thought that a political party could

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<v Speaker 3>have won government from thirty three percent of the vote,

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<v Speaker 3>but the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 1>Did last time. Now it's fallen since then in the.

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<v Speaker 3>Polls, but the catastrophic fall has been in the coalition.

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<v Speaker 1>It's at eighteen percent. That's armageddon.

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<v Speaker 3>So while it might be a concern to the Labor

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<v Speaker 3>Party that's primary vote is so low, and I know

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<v Speaker 3>it is a concern to the party that a prim

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<v Speaker 3>vote is so low, it'll be laughing all the way

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<v Speaker 3>to the bank in what's happened to the right hand

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<v Speaker 3>side of Australian politics, because at this stage the coalition

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<v Speaker 3>looks completely unelectable for generations to come with seeing a

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<v Speaker 3>reordering of politics on the right hand side, which may

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<v Speaker 3>take decades to unravel. So yes, while the Labor Party

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<v Speaker 3>will be concerned, if I was anyone in the coalition

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment, that.

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<v Speaker 1>Would be where the real worry that this might be

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<v Speaker 1>an end of times event should be.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think we have too many polls? I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like there's a poll every five minutes at the moment

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<v Speaker 2>and we're two certainly in Victoria. Fine, you know, elections

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<v Speaker 2>in November, but nationally, we're two years out from an election.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't agree more, Peter.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other thing too is if you look at

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<v Speaker 3>that poll that you just showed me from the Australian,

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<v Speaker 3>it has a margin of era three point four percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Could you could actually say that nothing's changed in the

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<v Speaker 3>last six or seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Of those polls.

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<v Speaker 3>Yet when you get a poll, you've got to write

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<v Speaker 3>a headline about it, so you basically try to discern

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<v Speaker 3>what a one percentage point shift means. When I was

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<v Speaker 3>working at Channel nine, I tried as hard as I

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<v Speaker 3>possibly could to stop our breakfast television program from constantly

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<v Speaker 3>talking about every single poll whichever came out. But of

0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.000
<v Speaker 3>course they were. They have something to talk about. It's

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<v Speaker 3>measuring a mood. It's something real. We saw it in

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<v Speaker 3>South Australia, We've seen it in Farah. The rise of

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<v Speaker 3>one nation is a thing, but we're not going to

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<v Speaker 3>know what it means electorally until we see the next test,

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<v Speaker 3>and that will come in November in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>And my fear is that.

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<v Speaker 3>A new paint of coat, a new coat of paint

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<v Speaker 3>on the Labor Party might just be enough if the

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<v Speaker 3>right hand side of politics stays fractioned to get that

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<v Speaker 3>government back, and I don't think even the people of

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<v Speaker 3>Victoria want that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I will make the point when we were in

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<v Speaker 2>the Pharaoh by election and we're getting those poles out

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<v Speaker 2>of Pharaoh, they were deep poles. They were across a

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<v Speaker 2>particular elector. I think they're about as good as the

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<v Speaker 2>party poles are, the published poles I'm talking about. But

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<v Speaker 2>when you get an extrapulated pole from across the nation

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<v Speaker 2>and you're only talking to fifteen hundred people and you're

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to say that this will play out in that seat,

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<v Speaker 2>and that'll play out in that seat, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think they're very, very hard to take. As you say,

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<v Speaker 2>is anything more than just a mood.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't happy, Peter.

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<v Speaker 3>And the reason that they're unhappy is their living standards

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<v Speaker 3>are fooling and they can feel it. So that's a

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<v Speaker 3>real thing. That's something that a government should worry about.

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<v Speaker 3>But unfortunately, what we need for the government to worry

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<v Speaker 3>about is the fact that it might lose government. And

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<v Speaker 3>at the moment we've lost that possibility. You know, I

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<v Speaker 3>think that the Labor Party believes quite rightly that it

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<v Speaker 3>can now lump the coalition in one nation together and

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<v Speaker 3>paint the worst parts of it as the thing that

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<v Speaker 3>Australians need to worry about. And in the end it

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<v Speaker 3>will come down to a choice as of who is

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<v Speaker 3>fit to govern it next election. And if the coalition

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<v Speaker 3>looks like it cannot muster itself to be a credible government,

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<v Speaker 3>then the only answer will be the Labor Party.

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<v Speaker 2>I made the point may at Atorial that the Prime

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<v Speaker 2>Minister is a big drag on his own vote and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that whole melon's rubbishit And look, even just

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<v Speaker 2>talking to a low rent sort of podcaster, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the only bit of smut in the podcast. There was

0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.600
<v Speaker 2>a whole barrage of it we saw with Kylie Minogue.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's an exclusive on The Australian's website right now

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<v Speaker 2>that the Japanese government, the prime in fact, has formally

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<v Speaker 2>raised that incident with our prime minister, this idea that

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't matter, this idea that Tokyo doesn't care, well,

0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.680
<v Speaker 2>anyone cares. Any woman would care about that, let alone

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<v Speaker 2>a prime minister.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we've lacked seriousness on Japan for some time now

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<v Speaker 3>and they've felt it. There are a series of things,

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<v Speaker 3>and you were talking about Shingo Yammagummy, who was probably

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<v Speaker 3>the best ambassador this country has ever had.

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<v Speaker 1>He started by raising what.

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<v Speaker 3>Had happened to cole experts in Queensland, and of course

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<v Speaker 3>the royalties regime which was changed abruptly by.

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<v Speaker 1>The alp up there that hurt the Japanese.

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<v Speaker 3>They're worried about us not being a guaranteed supplier of energy,

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<v Speaker 3>which they absolutely need. Then we start looking at gas taxes,

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<v Speaker 3>they're worried about that. Then we see this ridiculous comment

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<v Speaker 3>by the Prime Minister of Australia, which, by the way,

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<v Speaker 3>if that had been Scott Morrison, Peter Dutton, you name it,

0:19:54.960 --> 0:19:57.280
<v Speaker 3>anyone the coalition. Don't you think there would have been

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<v Speaker 3>a procession every day afterwards of every female member of

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<v Speaker 3>the Labor Party that came out and demanded an apology,

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<v Speaker 3>plus every single commissioner that we have in the country

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<v Speaker 3>which deals with.

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<v Speaker 1>Issues to do with women.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't give me this bulderdash that this wasn't a serious issue.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. But beyond that too.

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<v Speaker 3>The Prime Minister then decided that he wouldn't attend a

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<v Speaker 3>treaty event in Parliament House about the Nara Treaty, which

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<v Speaker 3>is fifty years old, but would prefer to go to

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<v Speaker 3>a Spotify event in Parliament on the same night. You

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<v Speaker 3>add these things up and this government is not serious

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<v Speaker 3>about Japan and it keeps talking about middle powers getting together.

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<v Speaker 3>There is no more important middle power to Australia than Japan.

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<v Speaker 3>And we are treating this relationship with contempt.

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<v Speaker 2>That is because mate, you and I both know he

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<v Speaker 2>is completely orientated. Labor is completely orientated to.

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<v Speaker 3>Beijing, absolutely, and you can make no other decision of this.

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<v Speaker 3>We are downplaying the Jack Needs relationship because we're concerned

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<v Speaker 3>about how it is received in Beijing. And of course

0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:09.359
<v Speaker 3>the Prime Minister of Japan is hated by Beijing because

0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:13.000
<v Speaker 3>she is being very strong indeed in North Asia. So

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<v Speaker 3>it is a really important relationship and we are squandering it.

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<v Speaker 3>And by the way, this will come to home to

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<v Speaker 3>roost in terms of our exports. Mark Karney, the Prime

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<v Speaker 3>Minister of Canada, is extremely keen to get those exports

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<v Speaker 3>which we now have over gas and take them for Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>And those contracts will come up in the next few years,

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<v Speaker 3>so we will lose market share to Canada if we

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<v Speaker 3>aren't careful with this relationship with Japan. It's time for

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<v Speaker 3>the Prime Minister to be serious about the Japanese relationship

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<v Speaker 3>and do something real to mend relationships.

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<v Speaker 2>You shock me. The great climate warrior Karne, mugged by

0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:55.000
<v Speaker 2>the reality of a balance sheet and running a country,

0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.919
<v Speaker 2>will happily take a dirty old fossil fuels if you

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<v Speaker 2>can get them just quickly. Josh Friend that news overnight

0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.040
<v Speaker 2>that he has certainly put in a submission to the

0:22:04.119 --> 0:22:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Royal Commission into Anti Semitism, but he is not being

0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:10.520
<v Speaker 2>asked now to formally attend and give evidence. What do

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<v Speaker 2>you make of this?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, why wouldn't he be heard?

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<v Speaker 3>He is a serious and powerful voice inside the Jewish community.

0:22:17.240 --> 0:22:20.840
<v Speaker 3>He has enormous experience in politics in Australia and we're

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<v Speaker 3>hearing it from a whole lot of other people, So

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<v Speaker 3>why wouldn't you want to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>From Josh Freedenburger. It makes no sense to me.

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<v Speaker 3>But then again, I've got to say, Peter, when I

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<v Speaker 3>look around Australia after having come back from Europe, nothing

0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:33.399
<v Speaker 3>much makes any sense to me. I can tell you

0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.200
<v Speaker 3>the two stories which cut through in the UK when

0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.720
<v Speaker 3>I was there. That was the Prime Minister talking about

0:22:39.760 --> 0:22:42.639
<v Speaker 3>wanting to shag Carli Minogue and Barnaby Joyce yelling at

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:46.160
<v Speaker 3>his dog. We look like trivial country and we're behaving

0:22:46.240 --> 0:22:47.320
<v Speaker 3>like a trivial country.

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<v Speaker 2>I love ab our. Economic indicators are going that way too.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll leave it there, Chris Yellman, thank you. That's gone

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<v Speaker 2>out of that new campaign force set to shake up

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<v Speaker 2>things in the Victorian election. It's called Fix Victoria and

0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:05.199
<v Speaker 2>it's deminding policies for politicians to do just that. And

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<v Speaker 2>just to make sure they sort of kick off with

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a bang. Here's their first ad, which

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<v Speaker 2>hit the airwaves overnight.

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<v Speaker 9>Victoria's tsunami of debt, waste, corruption and overspending is two

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<v Speaker 9>hundred and twenty nine billion dollars and rising. It's destroying businesses, jobs,

0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:30.320
<v Speaker 9>stealing resources from our schools, hospitals and police. Without a

0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:32.320
<v Speaker 9>plan to clean up and pay back the debt, it

0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.680
<v Speaker 9>will smash all we've built and who'll have to pay

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<v Speaker 9>our children. Join us to Fix Victoria.

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<v Speaker 10>Authorized by d Henderson for Fixed Victoria and Corporated Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that Adam Tolds with the first of medi

0:23:46.480 --> 0:23:49.159
<v Speaker 2>for a body that was just launched a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago. So who is Fix Victoria? Were joining me.

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<v Speaker 2>Now their head of advocacy, Gideon Rosna, who you'll remember

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<v Speaker 2>from the IPA. You were a big hit on my previously.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm glad to see you back.

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<v Speaker 4>Great to be back, Peter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So to tell us about Victoria, are they a

0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:07.760
<v Speaker 2>political party where we'll see candidates.

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.880
<v Speaker 10>Let's go now, We're not a political party. We're an

0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:13.439
<v Speaker 10>independent advocacy organization. We're going to be standing up for

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.520
<v Speaker 10>the thousands upon thousands of Victorians who, as you well

0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:20.040
<v Speaker 10>well know, Peter, who are despairing, absolutely despairing over the

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:22.080
<v Speaker 10>state of Victoria and what it's going through and what has.

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:24.160
<v Speaker 4>Gone through for some time, you know, until now.

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<v Speaker 10>I've been in the private sector for the last few years, Peter,

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:28.720
<v Speaker 10>I have been, and you know I loved it. But

0:24:28.760 --> 0:24:31.239
<v Speaker 10>there was an acronym going around investment circles a lot

0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:34.640
<v Speaker 10>of your viewers may have heard, which is ab M

0:24:34.720 --> 0:24:37.800
<v Speaker 10>anywhere but Melbourne. Now, that's not a political line. That's

0:24:37.840 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 10>the free market, effectively saying investing in Victoria the way

0:24:40.760 --> 0:24:43.800
<v Speaker 10>it is currently being run is not worth the risk. Now,

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 10>that is not acceptable to me, and it shouldn't be

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:48.960
<v Speaker 10>acceptable to you or anybody else because I'm a nineties kid.

0:24:49.119 --> 0:24:51.639
<v Speaker 10>I remember when this state was at its absolute peak.

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:53.560
<v Speaker 10>I remember when it was on the app. I remember

0:24:53.760 --> 0:24:56.000
<v Speaker 10>when we were the envy of this country, not a

0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:59.280
<v Speaker 10>national punchline like we are now. So fixed Victoria is

0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:01.080
<v Speaker 10>for any victory or in, no matter which party you've

0:25:01.080 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 10>supported in the past, no matter where you come from,

0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:06.639
<v Speaker 10>anybody who is concerned as we are about the terrible

0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:08.639
<v Speaker 10>mess Victoria is in where a.

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<v Speaker 2>Few you're talking about the late nineties, when the government chain,

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 2>I was there in the early nineties, under there after

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:18.199
<v Speaker 2>ninety two counter it's pretty shocking. So what do you

0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:21.440
<v Speaker 2>want to achieve? Is it about a policy debate? Are

0:25:21.440 --> 0:25:23.879
<v Speaker 2>you going to hold all the parties to account? Are

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 2>you pushing a particular barrow?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, firstly, you're absolutely right. We are holding all the

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:30.000
<v Speaker 10>parties to account. We are not working with any party,

0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:33.400
<v Speaker 10>but we will work with any party, any politician, any

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 10>public figure with a serious plan to do something about

0:25:36.040 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 10>the terrible problems Victoria has, whether it be the debt crisis,

0:25:39.080 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 10>whether it be the fact that crime is at the

0:25:41.560 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 10>highest record since levels began. And you know, Victorians are

0:25:44.640 --> 0:25:47.119
<v Speaker 10>smart as well. Our research shows that two thirds of

0:25:47.160 --> 0:25:50.160
<v Speaker 10>Victorians know that this state is on the wrong track, right.

0:25:50.200 --> 0:25:52.919
<v Speaker 10>They know that we're paying twenty four million dollars a

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<v Speaker 10>day on interest.

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<v Speaker 4>That's just to service the debt. That's not the principle.

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 2>It's borrowed money.

0:25:57.280 --> 0:25:59.320
<v Speaker 4>It's borrowed money. And Victorians know you can't pay.

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<v Speaker 10>The mortgage off for the credit card, and they're seeing

0:26:01.720 --> 0:26:03.680
<v Speaker 10>now what happens when that money runs out.

0:26:03.720 --> 0:26:04.400
<v Speaker 4>We saw just.

0:26:04.400 --> 0:26:08.760
<v Speaker 10>Today forty cars, forty odd cars damaged with a single

0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:12.199
<v Speaker 10>pothole in Victoria. That crumbling infrastructure has happened. Is what

0:26:12.240 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 10>happens when the state goes broke. But you know it

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.400
<v Speaker 10>doesn't have to be this way, Peter, as I said,

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:17.719
<v Speaker 10>I remember when times were different.

0:26:17.840 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 4>We can get there again.

0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.160
<v Speaker 10>There is nothing that has been done to the state

0:26:21.160 --> 0:26:23.119
<v Speaker 10>of Victoria for the last few years that can't be

0:26:23.359 --> 0:26:26.560
<v Speaker 10>undone with the right decisions and the right policies. So

0:26:26.640 --> 0:26:28.879
<v Speaker 10>our job is to, as you said, spark that debate,

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:32.360
<v Speaker 10>make sure that the tsunamis of debt is on everybody's

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 10>mind going forward, and hopefully do something about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So to a crucifire power, I want to get

0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 2>you on here a bit. So let's let's make that happen.

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:42.160
<v Speaker 2>How can people support you? How can they find out

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:42.600
<v Speaker 2>more about it?

0:26:42.640 --> 0:26:42.840
<v Speaker 4>Well?

0:26:42.880 --> 0:26:44.800
<v Speaker 10>To sign up, just go to fix Victoria dot com

0:26:44.800 --> 0:26:47.679
<v Speaker 10>dot you. As I said, we're open to everybody. Anybody

0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:49.960
<v Speaker 10>who was concerned about the direction of our state. Please

0:26:50.000 --> 0:26:52.320
<v Speaker 10>please please go and join the organization because we need

0:26:52.320 --> 0:26:54.440
<v Speaker 10>all the help we can get against the other voice

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:56.880
<v Speaker 10>in the debate, whether it be Union's NGOs, whoever it else.

0:26:57.080 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 10>We need to even up the ledger and make sure

0:26:59.520 --> 0:27:01.800
<v Speaker 10>that ordinary everyday Victorian's acunda too.

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<v Speaker 2>Good on good to see you back? Isn't that great?

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:07.160
<v Speaker 2>We need a bit of a fight and some firepower

0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:09.320
<v Speaker 2>in Victoria. Is right about the unions too, They're going

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:11.800
<v Speaker 2>to come there and support Ben Carroll right after the

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:14.920
<v Speaker 2>break alarming data release today. Around three hundred would be

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:19.000
<v Speaker 2>terrorists are currently in these deradicalization programs. You know my

0:27:19.080 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>view on them. I'm not so sure they work. We'll

0:27:21.720 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 2>get into it, but I want to know who runs

0:27:23.320 --> 0:27:26.439
<v Speaker 2>them as well. And as the first soldier faced a

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:30.080
<v Speaker 2>war crimes charge in court today, why did the Senate

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.200
<v Speaker 2>vote last week to block the release of the report

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:36.520
<v Speaker 2>into the conduct of the officers and the chain of command?

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:45.919
<v Speaker 2>Kredlin regular David Craig coming up, welcome back. How the

0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 2>upcoming census can skew the way religions represented in Australia.

0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 2>That's coming up and why some are campaigning for no

0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 2>religion vote but first in data confirmed now by the

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:02.200
<v Speaker 2>Home Affairs to part in, there are now just shy

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:07.760
<v Speaker 2>of three hundred would be terrorists in Australia in deradicalization programs,

0:28:07.960 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 2>that number having jumped some twenty percent since Bondai now

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:17.080
<v Speaker 2>shockingly ninety two percent of male rest of female. This

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 2>is the worrying one. You've got thirty percent age seventeen

0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:25.640
<v Speaker 2>or younger, twenty six percent between eighty and twenty four,

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:29.560
<v Speaker 2>thirty two percent between twenty five and forty five years

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 2>of age, and twelve percent only over the age of

0:28:33.600 --> 0:28:37.040
<v Speaker 2>forty five. So put some of those numbers together and

0:28:37.080 --> 0:28:40.719
<v Speaker 2>you've got fifty six percent. So these would be terrorists

0:28:41.160 --> 0:28:44.800
<v Speaker 2>under the age of twenty five. Joining me now, former

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:49.840
<v Speaker 2>AFP Detective Superintendent David Craig, Thank you, David. We keep

0:28:49.920 --> 0:28:53.240
<v Speaker 2>coming back to the issue of these drad programs because

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>I want people to understand, given AZIO doesn't have and

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 2>will never have the resources, nor will the AFP to

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:05.560
<v Speaker 2>watch everybody of concern. We are putting a lot of

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:10.680
<v Speaker 2>eggs into the programs, the basket of these programs to

0:29:10.840 --> 0:29:17.280
<v Speaker 2>turn off terrorist ideologies or interest from these young people,

0:29:17.320 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>particularly these young men. So I want to know more

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:22.800
<v Speaker 2>about them. I want to know they work. But when

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.600
<v Speaker 2>I hear that these numbers are growing as they are,

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm worried.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you should be pere. I mean, there's two aspects.

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<v Speaker 11>The positive aspect is I think that perhaps the figures

0:29:36.080 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 11>indicate that since BONDI there's been like an eighteen percent

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:43.120
<v Speaker 11>increase in referrals to de radicalization. That's a good thing

0:29:43.160 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 11>because at least people are referring people for deracalization. Not

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 11>that I'm a fan of de radicalization, but that brings

0:29:51.800 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 11>me to my next point. The negative point is these

0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 11>programs are funded and coordinated federally, but they're administered through

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:03.640
<v Speaker 11>the states in two territories, through disparate organizations and people

0:30:03.680 --> 0:30:09.240
<v Speaker 11>from police correction psychologists, community leaders, mentors. Is all that

0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:11.840
<v Speaker 11>data being captured and fed back to home affairs so

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 11>we can get accurate data so that we can intervene

0:30:15.600 --> 0:30:17.320
<v Speaker 11>early with these sorts of problems.

0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't think it is, David. I mean, I

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.280
<v Speaker 2>know my way around research at a federal level, and

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 2>I've tracked the money. There's hundreds of millions of dollars

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 2>leaving Canberra. It's paid to the states, as right that

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>you say. Some states run the programs through government auspices.

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Others look like to me that they're giving money to

0:30:36.720 --> 0:30:41.560
<v Speaker 2>sort of mm's counsels or Muslim organizations. And there doesn't

0:30:41.600 --> 0:30:44.240
<v Speaker 2>seem to be any sort of audit, if I could

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:48.360
<v Speaker 2>call it that audit of efficacy. Are they working these programs?

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Are we confident that people are not re I'm trying

0:30:54.840 --> 0:30:57.880
<v Speaker 2>to think of the word that they haven't actually committed

0:30:57.920 --> 0:31:01.480
<v Speaker 2>any crime yet the big watch. But are they finishing

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 2>a program and then being thrown back into a program

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 2>because they haven't been deradicalized. I mean, you can't find

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:13.320
<v Speaker 2>the data. There's no annual report that I can find.

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 2>I look through the estimates questions, David, and the response

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.120
<v Speaker 2>is by the Department at Senate estimates they're very poor.

0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:22.480
<v Speaker 2>They're opaque. It's like they're pushing the money out there

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:25.600
<v Speaker 2>as this is the big answer, but they're keeping the

0:31:25.640 --> 0:31:29.280
<v Speaker 2>audit if it's even happening a secret.

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.479
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, Look I think politically it's a great it solves

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 11>everything because it makes people feel great, Oh good, this

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 11>person's been set up to a deradicalization program. But I

0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:42.040
<v Speaker 11>can tell you that most of them are ineffective. Studies

0:31:42.080 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 11>have shown that they're an important measure. I'm not saying

0:31:44.400 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 11>we should drop them. They definitely need to be a part.

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:50.800
<v Speaker 11>They're more useful and this demographic is good, with over

0:31:50.880 --> 0:31:54.640
<v Speaker 11>fifty percent under twenty five years of age. They deradicalization

0:31:54.720 --> 0:31:58.760
<v Speaker 11>programs are most effective with younger people, so that's a

0:31:58.800 --> 0:32:02.360
<v Speaker 11>positive thing. But we're not seeing the data recorded, we're

0:32:02.360 --> 0:32:04.680
<v Speaker 11>not seeing the reports, and I just think that politically,

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:07.560
<v Speaker 11>we just handle this money out and we can say

0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 11>they're in dear radicalization, and that creates a real false

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 11>sense of belief in the community that everything's being taken

0:32:13.960 --> 0:32:17.000
<v Speaker 11>care of, whereas it's far not from that. There's real

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:22.160
<v Speaker 11>issues with ASO, the AFP, in Home Affairs itself, dreadful

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:24.239
<v Speaker 11>issues that we're not confronting, issues that we should be.

0:32:26.120 --> 0:32:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Let's go to that report in The Australian Today that

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.880
<v Speaker 2>Home Affairs have given hundreds of thousands of dollars to

0:32:30.960 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of small time media outlets. It's all

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 2>under the umbrella of supporting journalism in multicultural communities. Well

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 2>you dig into it and you find that there's half

0:32:42.800 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>a million dollars that's been given to three companies, in

0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>particular OPN Media Limited, Senior Incorporate Incorporated, which publishes The

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Australasian Muslim Times, and an outfit called sixteen to twenty

0:32:55.680 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Proprietary Limited, which runs Radio Tomorrow, accused of emoting an

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:04.600
<v Speaker 2>Islamic preacher who's been banned from at least two European

0:33:04.640 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 2>countries for propagating anti Semitic tropes. What the heck's going

0:33:10.320 --> 0:33:10.960
<v Speaker 2>on here?

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 11>Look, it's I mean, we really need to confront this

0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:21.480
<v Speaker 11>this head on, I think, Peter, and it's two of

0:33:21.520 --> 0:33:26.160
<v Speaker 11>these media outlets identify themselves as Muslamdia outlets and the

0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:32.360
<v Speaker 11>other one is Arabic. Now, if these people are meant

0:33:32.400 --> 0:33:38.160
<v Speaker 11>to be providing multicultural advice and helping social cohesion and

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 11>they've been accused of anti Semitic voices supporting Hesblara and hamas,

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:48.720
<v Speaker 11>so we've got one edge of the government saying we

0:33:48.840 --> 0:33:51.120
<v Speaker 11>need to be fixing this. In the Raw Commission right

0:33:51.160 --> 0:33:54.640
<v Speaker 11>now is questioning exactly this and our government has it

0:33:54.760 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 11>shown due diligence towards who they're giving half a million

0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 11>dollars to when you know the demographic of that background

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 11>immerst most terrorism in Australia we know comes from the

0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 11>Middle East, mostly from the Middle East. It's not all

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:13.799
<v Speaker 11>Middle Eastern people, but that's an area that is a

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.760
<v Speaker 11>keen edge. If we can get them educating the public properly,

0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.440
<v Speaker 11>it will vastly help the radicalization of youth in those communities.

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 11>So I think that it's an appropriate thing to do

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 11>to ask for due diligence and accountability when they're handing

0:34:28.520 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 11>out money to these community organizations.

0:34:32.160 --> 0:34:33.920
<v Speaker 2>David, I'm really up against the clock. I've got to

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.960
<v Speaker 2>ask you. Are you concerned as i am? This report

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 2>in relation to the command structure? So the senior officers here,

0:34:42.760 --> 0:34:45.520
<v Speaker 2>in relation to what happened in Afghanistan or is alleged

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.680
<v Speaker 2>to occurred in Afghanistan, was blocked from being released on

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:53.000
<v Speaker 2>the weekend, sorry on Friday, by the Senate. I guess yes,

0:34:53.040 --> 0:34:55.719
<v Speaker 2>of course there'll be classified material in there, but can't

0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:57.600
<v Speaker 2>we clean that up and let the report come out

0:34:57.640 --> 0:34:59.879
<v Speaker 2>into the public domain.

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 11>It has to come out, Peter, because the way it

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 11>looks at the moment is that the grassroots operators, the

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 11>operators at the front line, have had extreme scrutiny and

0:35:07.719 --> 0:35:10.399
<v Speaker 11>they've been subject to that. We need to see these

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:12.120
<v Speaker 11>stam community needs to see that the same as a

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:14.680
<v Speaker 11>plane applied to the upper ranks. Now find out if

0:35:14.719 --> 0:35:17.279
<v Speaker 11>they've been reckless or whether they've been diligent in their

0:35:17.320 --> 0:35:21.720
<v Speaker 11>administration of the staff, insult accused of war crimes.

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the claim is certainly that there is a

0:35:24.960 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 2>cover up of the very highest ranks there in the military,

0:35:27.960 --> 0:35:30.759
<v Speaker 2>and this does not help that argument. I'll have it there,

0:35:30.800 --> 0:35:33.520
<v Speaker 2>Thank you, David, all right. After the break, new research

0:35:33.560 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 2>has revealed how census questions on religion could be deliberately

0:35:37.040 --> 0:35:41.840
<v Speaker 2>misleading in an underhanded political campaign to suggest that Australia

0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:53.400
<v Speaker 2>is increasingly secular. After the break, welcome by outrage in

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Melbourne yesterday people marching in the street regarding tougher bail

0:35:57.920 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 2>conditions after the horrific death of a shopkeeper just the

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:06.160
<v Speaker 2>other day. Now to this week's census, of course tomorrow

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 2>nighty census night, and fresh questions over what the numbers

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 2>are really telling us about religion in Australia. New research

0:36:13.600 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 2>by Compass Polling suggests the way the Census religious questions

0:36:17.880 --> 0:36:21.320
<v Speaker 2>worded can have a material impact on how Australians respond,

0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:25.759
<v Speaker 2>potentially meaning the proportion of Australians with no religion has

0:36:25.840 --> 0:36:31.520
<v Speaker 2>been significantly overstated. Doctor Dorian Van Freehold is the managing

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:35.280
<v Speaker 2>director of Compass Polling and joins me now. Dorian, welcome

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:41.759
<v Speaker 2>to the program. This is a vexed terf for us

0:36:41.800 --> 0:36:44.680
<v Speaker 2>to be on because I noted from comments I made

0:36:44.760 --> 0:36:48.000
<v Speaker 2>last week in relation to the Christian religion and the

0:36:48.080 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Jewish religion, there was a firestorm online. I got some

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 2>detail wrong. I'd indicated that the Jews used to have

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 2>a box on the twenty twenty one Census they never have,

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:00.880
<v Speaker 2>which shocks me in itself. They have to tick the

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 2>other box, they have to write in their faith. But

0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you what the people in the no religion

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>camp have come for me online. Your research involved more

0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.880
<v Speaker 2>than five thousand Australians and you looked at four different

0:37:14.000 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 2>versions of the questions about religion used in the Census.

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:21.240
<v Speaker 2>What did you find.

0:37:22.080 --> 0:37:26.759
<v Speaker 12>Yes, great to be here tonight, Peter. Ostensibly, the key

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 12>finding is that the number of people who fall into

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:35.520
<v Speaker 12>that no religion category in Australia should be far closer

0:37:35.560 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 12>to twenty six percent than thirty nine percent as per

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:43.040
<v Speaker 12>the last census. This was widely reported in the ABC

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.399
<v Speaker 12>in The Australian last week. How did we get there?

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:51.400
<v Speaker 12>As you mentioned, Peter, we conducted a rigorous piece of

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:56.320
<v Speaker 12>research five and twelve participants and essentially they were assigned

0:37:56.440 --> 0:38:00.600
<v Speaker 12>to one of the four randomly assigned to one of

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:06.640
<v Speaker 12>the four census question formats. It's changed four times in

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:12.160
<v Speaker 12>the past, and broadly we've found that the percentage of

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 12>people who responded no religion range from twenty percent to

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:19.520
<v Speaker 12>forty seven percent, depending just on the question. So the

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:26.560
<v Speaker 12>question itself is significantly responsible for how people respond and

0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:29.800
<v Speaker 12>what percentage of people actually select no religion.

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.720
<v Speaker 2>So you're saying, and I know this from political polling,

0:38:35.000 --> 0:38:39.520
<v Speaker 2>how you ask the question can skew the result. The

0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:43.280
<v Speaker 2>ABS will tell you that they're independent. What's different about

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:48.400
<v Speaker 2>the questions that drives that high no religion vote?

0:38:49.320 --> 0:38:55.719
<v Speaker 12>Yep. So the current census framing is somewhat peculiar in

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:59.759
<v Speaker 12>that it's a checkbox question where the first option is

0:38:59.800 --> 0:39:03.759
<v Speaker 12>no religion. Now, being a guy with a PhD in

0:39:03.800 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 12>consumer psychology, having lectured many a course on research methodologies.

0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:12.640
<v Speaker 12>That's a rookie era. You fall straight into what's called

0:39:12.640 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 12>the primacy effect, which means that the first option visible

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 12>to respondents gets a disproportionate amount of eyeballs and is

0:39:20.760 --> 0:39:22.160
<v Speaker 12>more likely to be selected.

0:39:23.120 --> 0:39:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Dorian, can I just jump in there? Can I just

0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:27.480
<v Speaker 2>jump in there? It's like the donkey vote in politics.

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 2>People love to be on the top of the ballot paper.

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<v Speaker 2>But the ABS, when asked about that, So the only

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<v Speaker 2>reason no religion's up the top is because they take

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<v Speaker 2>the number one response from the old census and put

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<v Speaker 2>it up the top of this census.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, that's a somewhat peculiar way to look at it.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean, it's well studied and documented in psychology literature

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<v Speaker 12>that that will distort the results significantly. The ABS also

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<v Speaker 12>acknowledge openly that the changes the quadruple changes in the

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<v Speaker 12>question may change people's responses, but they never did the

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<v Speaker 12>legwork to actually figure out and quantify how great those

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<v Speaker 12>changes are. So that's a major shortcoming for an exercise

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<v Speaker 12>which this year is going to cost US seven hundred

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<v Speaker 12>and twenty two million dollars. Coming to think of a

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<v Speaker 12>three quarters of a billion dollars. That sort of academic

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<v Speaker 12>rigor is really necessary. We need to quantify how these

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<v Speaker 12>changes are going to distort how people respond to the result.

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<v Speaker 12>And you can see in the research that the distortion

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<v Speaker 12>the manipulation here is a very major one.

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<v Speaker 2>And why isn't there Dorian just a box on Christian

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<v Speaker 2>Because if you're looking on that list and you don't

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<v Speaker 2>see your church or church you identify with, you think, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I don't fit there, and you may tick the

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<v Speaker 2>no religion or if you're not a church goer, you

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<v Speaker 2>may think you're not entitled to tick a church box.

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<v Speaker 2>But there isn't an option unless you're right it in

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<v Speaker 2>yourself to just call yourself a Christian.

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<v Speaker 12>Correct correct, Which brings us right back to the original

0:41:09.960 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 12>framing of the census question, which was an open ended

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<v Speaker 12>question and that was the least distorted question you can

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<v Speaker 12>possibly have. People just wrote in what their religion was

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<v Speaker 12>and then the analysis was conducted afterwards, and that's a

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<v Speaker 12>very powerful way to do it, and with AI these

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<v Speaker 12>days can very easily be classified.

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<v Speaker 2>And just before we go, so are you saying that,

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<v Speaker 2>on the basis of your research, Australians aren't becoming more

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<v Speaker 2>secular as some would claim.

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<v Speaker 12>Correct, Oh, it's secularization in Australia is real. But the

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<v Speaker 12>speedometer is broken here and broadly, my comment would be

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<v Speaker 12>that we're paying as tax pays a lot of money

0:41:57.120 --> 0:41:59.919
<v Speaker 12>for this speedometer and if I was the guy buying

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<v Speaker 12>it should be a robust, solid instrument that doesn't jump

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<v Speaker 12>around all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Very well explained. I know it's dense research stuff, but

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<v Speaker 2>you've done a very good job tonight, doctor Dorian von Freehold.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for your time. There you go. If you're

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<v Speaker 2>filling it out tomorrow and you've got even a passing

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<v Speaker 2>faith still left in you, please tick a faith box.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll write it in. After the Break, livelihoods and lives

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<v Speaker 2>on the line in Melbourne, hundreds gathered yesterday to pay

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<v Speaker 2>their respects to a good Samaritan shopkeeper tragically killed last

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<v Speaker 2>week and this international student visa stuff that's come out

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<v Speaker 2>over the weekend. Non student family members allowed here in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>After the Break. Welcome back now to heartbreaking scenes out

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<v Speaker 2>of Melbourne yesterday where crowds hundreds of people gathered to

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<v Speaker 2>demand tougher laws and more police patrols following the death

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<v Speaker 2>of a shopkeeper who was allegedly attacked by teenagers when

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<v Speaker 2>he rushed to the aid of a fellow retail workers worker.

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<v Speaker 6>Last week, the rain didn't dampen their burning rage, with

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<v Speaker 6>hundreds gathering to protest in sunshine.

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<v Speaker 4>What what do we want it? Now?

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<v Speaker 8>As chance rang out on the other side of Hampshire Road,

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<v Speaker 8>a vigil.

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<v Speaker 7>To pay respect to the men who have sacrificed his

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<v Speaker 7>life or his fellow human beings. And like all heroes,

0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:35.200
<v Speaker 7>we don't know them until their acts of heroism.

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<v Speaker 2>Now horrifically, a fifteen year old boy's been charged with banslaughter.

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<v Speaker 2>A twelve year old boy to fourteen year old girls

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<v Speaker 2>have been also charged with intentionally causing serious injury and

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<v Speaker 2>a fray. But it's Victoria, so they have been released

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<v Speaker 2>on bail. Join me now to discuss this and other

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<v Speaker 2>issues as well. From a liberal mpeterkof Flint one Nation

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<v Speaker 2>Party Director, there's the new title, James Ashby, Welcome to

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<v Speaker 2>you both, Nicole. At what point do Victorians wake up

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<v Speaker 2>and say enough is enough?

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<v Speaker 13>What an absolutely sickening and heartbreaking series of events, Peter,

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<v Speaker 13>And it just goes to show that right now Australia

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<v Speaker 13>is a country and a culture of no consequences, and

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<v Speaker 13>Victoria is at the epicenter of this because four years

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<v Speaker 13>now we have seen home invasions and car thefts and

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<v Speaker 13>petty crime running rife in Victoria with no consequences. So

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<v Speaker 13>is it any surprise that we are now seeing the

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<v Speaker 13>most tragic of human consequences, which is someone allegedly murdered

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<v Speaker 13>and the alleged perpetrators that are on bail.

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<v Speaker 2>Enough is enough.

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<v Speaker 13>Victorians have a very clear choice at the upcoming election,

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<v Speaker 13>but so does every single Australian. This is why people

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<v Speaker 13>are really angry at the moment. They're sick of seeing

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<v Speaker 13>no consequences for this sort of barb baric behavior.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go to this story James on the Weekend in

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<v Speaker 2>the Sunday Telegraph. I read it and I had to

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<v Speaker 2>read it three or four times over. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>come to Australia on a student visa, it's supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be temporary. Is supposed to do your course and go home.

0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes you might get a job at the end. But

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people stay here and they move across

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<v Speaker 2>visas to string out the time they're here. Now we

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<v Speaker 2>have them for vocational we have them for undergrad we

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<v Speaker 2>also have them for graduates. What shocked me is that

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<v Speaker 2>you can bring your extended family. Sorry sorry BIGI part

0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:45.839
<v Speaker 2>your immediate family with you as well. So you come

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:48.600
<v Speaker 2>as the student, but your family can come as well

0:45:48.640 --> 0:45:51.359
<v Speaker 2>and they get whatever work rights you have. So of

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<v Speaker 2>the people on the graduate visa class, two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>seventy one thousand are in Australia right now, almost seventy

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<v Speaker 2>four percent of people on that visa class are not

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<v Speaker 2>the graduate students. They're the family of them. So seventy

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<v Speaker 2>four thousand, that's thirty percent. James, what's going on here?

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<v Speaker 2>We're selling Oh he's lost audio, Nicole, or come to

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<v Speaker 2>you on that one, Nicole. We are selling a visa

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:24.600
<v Speaker 2>outcome here. We are not selling education, Peter.

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<v Speaker 13>It's absolutely extraordinary, and again no wonder Australians are fed

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<v Speaker 13>up because the other question here is are these family

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<v Speaker 13>members even working? You know, are they contributing, are they

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<v Speaker 13>making are they making a contribution to the workforce. We've

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<v Speaker 13>got record skill shortages across the board. Because I understand

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<v Speaker 13>it's not just partners, but it's also children. So obviously

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<v Speaker 13>children are not necessarily working, but are they then in

0:46:54.600 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 13>our schools. Are they also using our health system? We've

0:46:58.040 --> 0:47:02.840
<v Speaker 13>got record pressures, pressures across the board at every single level.

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<v Speaker 13>And so again no wonder people are rightly asking questions

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<v Speaker 13>about the migration system. Who's coming here and what are

0:47:10.280 --> 0:47:13.080
<v Speaker 13>they doing? And are they helping Australia get ahead or

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<v Speaker 13>are they actually draining really precious resources that we need

0:47:17.880 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 13>at the moment when we're at a record cost of

0:47:20.120 --> 0:47:25.040
<v Speaker 13>living crisis and when services, whether it's public transport, health,

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<v Speaker 13>education are under pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll bring you in James School, got your connection

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<v Speaker 2>to going there. But are you surprised by this because

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<v Speaker 2>I was. I was not aware of the scale of

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<v Speaker 2>basically family members coming in backdoor, coming in with a

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<v Speaker 2>family member on a student visa.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, it concerns me when governments and parties alike say

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<v Speaker 14>that education is our fifth biggest export carl gas, iron

0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:02.719
<v Speaker 14>or gold and then education. The problem is with an export,

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.040
<v Speaker 14>you send things out of the country. Problem is we're

0:48:06.040 --> 0:48:08.440
<v Speaker 14>bringing them in and we're not sending them back at all.

0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:10.880
<v Speaker 14>So this whole idea of it being an export is

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.160
<v Speaker 14>again part of the Ponzi scheme and the only winners

0:48:14.160 --> 0:48:16.880
<v Speaker 14>out of this are the universities. They've got salespeople in

0:48:16.920 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 14>other countries, mainly China and India, selling their wares. But

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:22.680
<v Speaker 14>as part of that, you don't just get the education

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:24.480
<v Speaker 14>they're saying, you get to stay for the long haul

0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:27.360
<v Speaker 14>as well, plus bring your family down with you. And

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<v Speaker 14>when you're talking about seventy four thousand people then being

0:48:30.480 --> 0:48:33.799
<v Speaker 14>allowed to stay in the country with no skills whatsoever,

0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:37.880
<v Speaker 14>it defies the logic that's being explained by this labor

0:48:37.920 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 14>government that they're only bringing skilled people into Australia. It's

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:44.880
<v Speaker 14>a lie, it's a Ponzi scheme. It's just propping up

0:48:44.920 --> 0:48:48.880
<v Speaker 14>these greedy universities and Australians have been played for mugs.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got to ask you, James. We talked a moment

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<v Speaker 2>ago about the horrific events in Melbourne last week in

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<v Speaker 2>relation to the shopkeeper who died at the hands allegedly

0:48:58.800 --> 0:49:02.280
<v Speaker 2>of young kids. But you've got this proposal in Victoria

0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:05.239
<v Speaker 2>at the moment for people who run our courts, and

0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:09.520
<v Speaker 2>there's a huge backlog in Victoria to work from home.

0:49:10.239 --> 0:49:13.480
<v Speaker 2>How can you work for home if it's supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be working in the court.

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<v Speaker 14>And especially given that there's a thirty percent uplift in

0:49:20.360 --> 0:49:23.800
<v Speaker 14>people that are self representing. They need help at those

0:49:23.880 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 14>desks when they go into the court. There's big problems

0:49:26.520 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 14>in our court system. Working from home is not a

0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:32.520
<v Speaker 14>logical stance that the Victorian government should be taking.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a shocker. I'll leave it there. Thank you to

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.720
<v Speaker 2>you both. Good to have you there in your new role. James,

0:49:38.760 --> 0:49:41.759
<v Speaker 2>you haven't disappeared. Great to see you. To Nicole, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>see you all tomorrow. There will be question time, of course,

0:49:44.080 --> 0:49:47.560
<v Speaker 2>we'll see how much pressure the Prime Minister comes on after.

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Of course we heard tonight the Japanese Prime Minister has

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:56.920
<v Speaker 2>raised that whole smutty podcast with him directly. I'll leave

0:49:56.920 --> 0:50:02.239
<v Speaker 2>it there. He's Andrew