WEBVTT - Outback Rockstar 0:00:05.921 --> 0:00:18.601 Approache Production Episode one, The Outback rock Star. This is 0:00:18.601 --> 0:00:21.320 a pretty unreal story. When I first heard it, I 0:00:21.401 --> 0:00:25.161 actually didn't believe it. It's the story of a normal 0:00:25.241 --> 0:00:29.321 Aussie bloke who some might call lucky, some might call stupid, 0:00:29.961 --> 0:00:33.961 or some might call a criminal. His name is Dan Saunders, 0:00:34.201 --> 0:00:36.561 and I first heard his story listening to the radio 0:00:36.801 --> 0:00:38.361 one day driving my kids to school. 0:00:38.921 --> 0:00:43.560 Imagine you find a loophole and that loophole enabled at 0:00:43.561 --> 0:00:46.600 one point the million dollars, or whether the money had 0:00:46.681 --> 0:00:47.920 an adm of money. 0:00:48.120 --> 0:00:51.560 I called bullshit and thought there's no way this could 0:00:51.601 --> 0:00:54.881 be true. And then I did what every inquisitive mind 0:00:54.921 --> 0:01:00.161 does and googled him and boom, there it was. It 0:01:00.241 --> 0:01:04.241 wasn't a lie. It was so unbelievably the truth. It 0:01:04.321 --> 0:01:08.241 wasn't funny Alarican who fleeced a major bank of more 0:01:08.241 --> 0:01:10.840 than one and a half million dollars, now. 0:01:10.721 --> 0:01:14.321 The ATMG who discovered a loophole in the banking system 0:01:14.321 --> 0:01:16.720 that he exploited in a wild space. 0:01:16.761 --> 0:01:20.281 This is not your everyday true crime podcast. Sure there's 0:01:20.321 --> 0:01:24.601 been a crime that nobody's died, nobody's missing, And to 0:01:24.681 --> 0:01:28.721 be honest, as these episodes unfold, some might even question 0:01:29.241 --> 0:01:32.920 whether it really was a crime. There will be moments 0:01:32.961 --> 0:01:36.961 in this podcast where you might ask yourself, what would 0:01:36.961 --> 0:01:39.401 I do? Would I do what Dan did? 0:01:39.761 --> 0:01:42.961 I'm gonna probably go to jail now for what I'm doing. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:48.481 Let's really test this glitch out. Let's take the Ferrari 0:01:48.761 --> 0:01:49.361 for a drop. 0:01:49.841 --> 0:01:52.521 I once heard a comedian say that there are more 0:01:52.561 --> 0:01:56.481 true crime podcasts than actual true crimes, and I reckon, 0:01:56.881 --> 0:02:00.321 He's not far from the truth. But this story is 0:02:00.361 --> 0:02:03.241 not your run of the mill true crime podcast. As 0:02:03.321 --> 0:02:07.081 the story unravels, you'll see why lots of producers, the 0:02:07.241 --> 0:02:11.281 movie types are chasing this down as a movie. Why 0:02:11.921 --> 0:02:15.521 because it has all the hallmarks of a great story. 0:02:16.161 --> 0:02:20.400 Sex Like was just saying to me repeatedly, think about 0:02:20.441 --> 0:02:22.841 this swinging in jail, think about this swing. You're in 0:02:22.881 --> 0:02:23.921 jail drugs. 0:02:24.001 --> 0:02:26.761 There's a drug guy black. If you want drugs, you 0:02:26.841 --> 0:02:27.481 go to that guy. 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:28.241 What conroll? 0:02:28.921 --> 0:02:32.881 If I went out for lunch being massive tip, I'd 0:02:32.881 --> 0:02:36.201 pay for another table as well lots of cash. You know. 0:02:36.281 --> 0:02:39.680 In fact, months later I did transfer three lots of 0:02:39.761 --> 0:02:42.161 nine hundred thousand, just to see what had happened and 0:02:42.281 --> 0:02:44.881 sticking it to the big guy. Looks like me, and 0:02:44.921 --> 0:02:45.801 there's a lot of. 0:02:45.761 --> 0:02:49.400 Us who if. 0:02:48.401 --> 0:02:50.761 There's an inch, we'll take it. 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:55.281 As a hero and a villain who are possibly the 0:02:55.321 --> 0:03:00.561 same person. That person is Dan Saunders, and this is 0:03:00.601 --> 0:03:09.840 the glitch. It's much taller than I thought you'd bet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:03:09.841 --> 0:03:11.961 I get that a lot. Yeah yeah, I thought you 0:03:12.001 --> 0:03:17.081 were like, yeah, six floors, Yeah cool, let's go up. 0:03:18.081 --> 0:03:20.160 Have you been here before? 0:03:20.601 --> 0:03:21.520 I don't think that that's. 0:03:21.361 --> 0:03:24.361 An awesome hotel. Dan and I met to record this 0:03:24.401 --> 0:03:27.401 podcast in a Brisbane hotel suite. We had a bunch 0:03:27.401 --> 0:03:30.161 of calls and about a million texts before we sat down. 0:03:30.881 --> 0:03:35.161 The hotel was called the Ovelo in the Valley in Brisbane. Now. 0:03:35.201 --> 0:03:39.281 The Valley is the party district of Brisbane in Australia, 0:03:39.601 --> 0:03:43.201 lots of clubs and bars and some really nice hotels 0:03:43.801 --> 0:03:47.441 and some pretty ordinary ones too. The room we arranged 0:03:48.001 --> 0:03:52.601 was called the rock Star Suite, which was fitting because 0:03:52.641 --> 0:03:56.481 over the space of four months, Dan lived the life 0:03:56.761 --> 0:03:59.641 of a rock star on someone else's cash. 0:03:59.841 --> 0:04:01.440 You know, I don't want to be walking around and going, 0:04:01.481 --> 0:04:03.641 oh that's you know, that's atm boy. 0:04:03.801 --> 0:04:04.801 I don't care about that stuff. 0:04:05.281 --> 0:04:07.801 But in terms of his story, it's got legs, Yeah, 0:04:08.241 --> 0:04:09.041 world wide legs. 0:04:09.401 --> 0:04:12.321 If Dan had a theme song back in twenty eleven, 0:04:12.841 --> 0:04:15.681 it probably would have been that really cheesy song from 0:04:15.761 --> 0:04:19.521 Nickelback that was big in two thousand and nine. In 0:04:19.561 --> 0:04:21.600 one of the many calls I had with Dan getting 0:04:21.641 --> 0:04:25.641 ready for the recording session, he dropped that bombshell, can 0:04:25.681 --> 0:04:32.801 we get that Nickelback song licensed for this podcast? Bear us? 0:04:36.801 --> 0:04:39.080 So we didn't get Nickelback, but I did get a 0:04:39.121 --> 0:04:42.121 mate to sing the song. Our budgets aren't as big 0:04:42.161 --> 0:04:44.600 as Dan's were when he had the magic ATM card. 0:04:47.001 --> 0:04:49.841 You might be thinking Dan sounds like a bit of 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.161 a knob, but I challenge you not to like the 0:04:53.201 --> 0:04:56.561 guy by the end of this podcast. Before that one 0:04:56.721 --> 0:04:59.841 night when he went to an ATM, took out two 0:04:59.921 --> 0:05:03.601 hundred bucks of the bank's money, which over the period 0:05:03.641 --> 0:05:07.921 of four months came more than one point six million dollars, 0:05:08.681 --> 0:05:20.441 all because of the glitch. Before all that, let's find 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.681 out who Dan Saunders is. I was able to establish 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.440 right now. Dan's living in Byron Bay, are at least 0:05:26.481 --> 0:05:29.880 close to Byron Bay. He's living with mates who seem 0:05:29.961 --> 0:05:32.601 to be professionals, and he's come to visit me to 0:05:32.641 --> 0:05:36.361 do this podcast interview. He decided he'd stay in Brisbane 0:05:36.401 --> 0:05:39.681 for a few days at another very high end hotel. 0:05:40.601 --> 0:05:44.161 I was curious about how he still does this, You 0:05:44.281 --> 0:05:45.201 Dodgy's still down on it. 0:05:46.641 --> 0:05:49.640 I've got to protect my friends. Yeah, good, because yeah, 0:05:49.681 --> 0:05:51.801 they've stuck with me through. 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:53.561 And these are friends throughout the ordeal. 0:05:53.761 --> 0:05:55.760 Oh yeah, they're friends throughout the audio. But they're also 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:59.401 like friends who like they're you know, they're professionals. You know, 0:05:59.961 --> 0:06:01.801 my mates with me the other day's like don't say 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.681 my name. And also it's like about yeah, it's just 0:06:04.721 --> 0:06:07.440 about like there's so much disconnection now, you know, you 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.081 find people in connecting. 0:06:09.001 --> 0:06:10.001 And you want to stick with them. 0:06:10.041 --> 0:06:14.281 Yeah, it's when you go to jail. People are bannon you. 0:06:14.481 --> 0:06:17.481 People you wouldn't think there's people in your life who 0:06:17.521 --> 0:06:21.481 you'd think would be by you, thick and thin, and 0:06:22.081 --> 0:06:23.200 the fact is they wouldn't. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:25.881 You'll hear a fair bit of that in this podcast. 0:06:26.641 --> 0:06:31.001 Friends that's stuck around and then friends, lovers and people 0:06:31.041 --> 0:06:35.080 he hardly knew just up and leave. And yes, you 0:06:35.161 --> 0:06:39.640 heard right, Dan ended up in jail, But that didn't 0:06:39.641 --> 0:06:43.041 happen the way you think it happened. There are a 0:06:43.121 --> 0:06:46.681 heap of twists and turns before Dan gets locked up. 0:06:47.601 --> 0:06:50.561 To understand Dan, I reckon, it's important to go back 0:06:50.561 --> 0:06:52.921 to his childhood. How did he grow up? 0:06:53.001 --> 0:06:57.200 My biggest memory from growing up is sport in the street. 0:06:57.841 --> 0:07:00.401 Like I think I was probably one of the last 0:07:00.481 --> 0:07:03.080 children that had to be home by the time of streetlights. 0:07:03.081 --> 0:07:05.601 We're not you know that kind of thing. We're just 0:07:05.641 --> 0:07:10.041 outside all day, just suburban Melbourne. And yeah we play 0:07:10.161 --> 0:07:13.201 you know, crookt in the straight and you know, like 0:07:13.801 --> 0:07:16.241 hold the baller, you know, cars coming, you know that 0:07:16.321 --> 0:07:19.481 kind of stuff. You know, average had mom and dad 0:07:19.521 --> 0:07:22.361 at home. You know, we didn't have a heap of 0:07:22.401 --> 0:07:24.161 money or anything. But you know, I remember me and 0:07:24.161 --> 0:07:26.441 a kid and always thinking about, oh, you know what 0:07:26.481 --> 0:07:29.601 if we lived in a bigger house and now that 0:07:29.681 --> 0:07:31.761 kind of thing, but like we could eat put it 0:07:31.761 --> 0:07:33.761 that way, and I think, as long as you can 0:07:33.801 --> 0:07:34.761 eat your all, right, right. 0:07:34.721 --> 0:07:37.041 What did Dan Saunders want to be when he grew up? 0:07:38.001 --> 0:07:40.681 I think for a change over years, I think so. 0:07:40.761 --> 0:07:43.721 I think it probably started with a footy player, you know, 0:07:43.921 --> 0:07:47.761 like an AFL footy player, just because you know, my 0:07:47.841 --> 0:07:49.921 dad used to used to love footing and we used 0:07:49.961 --> 0:07:51.761 to go and all that kind of thing. Two weeks 0:07:51.761 --> 0:07:55.681 in into my life, I went to Prince's Park and 0:07:55.721 --> 0:07:59.881 I was underneath the put underneath the wooden wooden seats 0:07:59.881 --> 0:08:04.241 at Princess Park and beer can rolled into my bassinette. 0:08:04.521 --> 0:08:06.801 So from then on it was beer in football. 0:08:07.521 --> 0:08:10.001 The third at Princess Park five and a half but 0:08:10.121 --> 0:08:12.881 it's gone and kind of wood leading Hawthorne by three points. 0:08:12.881 --> 0:08:15.121 So Dan wanted to be a footy star as a kid. 0:08:15.521 --> 0:08:18.401 An AFL footy star could definitely live the life of 0:08:18.401 --> 0:08:21.881 a rock star. Good money, lots of girls, and a 0:08:21.881 --> 0:08:25.481 bit of notoriety or maybe even fame. It's not lost 0:08:25.521 --> 0:08:28.401 on me that Dan got all of that and didn't 0:08:28.441 --> 0:08:31.121 have to do a pre season training or kick a ball. 0:08:32.081 --> 0:08:37.441 He just had to head to the ATM. As you 0:08:37.441 --> 0:08:41.641 can hear, Dan sounds pretty normal, not the mastermind crime 0:08:41.721 --> 0:08:45.441 figure you might expect when you first started listening to 0:08:45.481 --> 0:08:46.241 this podcast. 0:08:47.441 --> 0:08:50.001 When you work out, school is basically just a you know, 0:08:50.081 --> 0:08:56.321 it's basically a a like a conditioning or an interview 0:08:56.481 --> 0:08:58.561 for work. You know you've got to be there at 0:08:58.561 --> 0:09:01.281 a certain time. You get a desk, someone gives you 0:09:01.281 --> 0:09:03.681 a pen, license halfway through and you think you're important, 0:09:03.721 --> 0:09:06.281 you know what, You get to work and you're like, oh, 0:09:06.361 --> 0:09:09.721 it's just the same shit. Like so it's pretty Yeah. 0:09:10.001 --> 0:09:12.801 I mean, once you work that out, if you're aware 0:09:12.921 --> 0:09:14.921 enough to work that out as a young kid, how 0:09:14.961 --> 0:09:17.361 can you really get mind? I mean, but that's just 0:09:17.361 --> 0:09:17.921 my opinion. 0:09:18.001 --> 0:09:21.081 As we're preparing for this interview, we went backwards and 0:09:21.081 --> 0:09:24.641 forwards with texts, and those texts continue to this day, 0:09:25.281 --> 0:09:28.481 little texts that helped build a character of who Dan is. 0:09:29.281 --> 0:09:31.521 In some of the texts I've had with Dan, he 0:09:31.601 --> 0:09:36.561 seems pretty and the establishment. He's got a distaste for banks, obviously, 0:09:37.161 --> 0:09:39.241 and I think in my chats with him, he's not 0:09:39.281 --> 0:09:42.361 happy when big corporations stick it to what he terms 0:09:42.681 --> 0:09:43.441 the little people. 0:09:43.481 --> 0:09:46.641 It wasn't all what. It wasn't always at the end 0:09:46.681 --> 0:09:51.961 for me personally, it wasn't even personal experience. I dated 0:09:51.961 --> 0:09:55.201 a paramedic. She said to me one night because she's 0:09:55.241 --> 0:09:57.001 doing the night shift and she set off, you know, 0:09:57.921 --> 0:10:01.521 full moon tonight and it's and it's the footy finals. 0:10:02.201 --> 0:10:05.001 I'm like, yeah, okay, the full moon people, gup, it's bare, 0:10:05.961 --> 0:10:08.521 but what about the footy finals? She's like, oh, always 0:10:08.521 --> 0:10:10.961 more domestics. What are you talking about? She's like, yeah, 0:10:11.241 --> 0:10:15.521 like fifty percent more call outs for domestics when the 0:10:15.521 --> 0:10:19.321 foot is on. I'm like, like, that's something I've always 0:10:19.321 --> 0:10:22.081 got behind as a kid. I'm not saying you should 0:10:22.081 --> 0:10:25.401 watch football. I'm just saying that, how can you get 0:10:25.441 --> 0:10:28.361 behind it? As a like, you know, every time I 0:10:28.361 --> 0:10:30.721 watch footy now I think about that. Yeah, and that 0:10:31.361 --> 0:10:33.841 doesn't come from anywhere except just the horse's mouth, you know, 0:10:33.881 --> 0:10:37.081 like you know, it was just a passing comment. But 0:10:37.161 --> 0:10:38.841 I was like, oh, that's crazy. 0:10:39.121 --> 0:10:41.681 I was pretty confused by this story from Dan. I 0:10:41.681 --> 0:10:44.241 think what Dan was trying to say was don't believe 0:10:44.241 --> 0:10:47.081 everything you hear. What I did get out of Dan's 0:10:47.121 --> 0:10:50.161 paramedic story is that he's a pretty deep thinker. 0:10:50.761 --> 0:10:53.361 Oh I don't know about that, Like like I wouldn't, 0:10:53.441 --> 0:10:55.121 you know, Like it depends, like if you put me 0:10:55.161 --> 0:10:57.161 in a think bubble at Google, they probably you know, 0:10:57.241 --> 0:10:59.681 say who's the guy. But you know, like, I think 0:10:59.801 --> 0:11:02.201 I've got a certain amount of street smarts. I think 0:11:03.321 --> 0:11:04.961 I got a job at the casino when I was 0:11:06.001 --> 0:11:08.441 and one of the first things I saw at the 0:11:08.441 --> 0:11:11.881 casino was this lady was playing the poke kids. Old 0:11:11.921 --> 0:11:12.641 Italian woman. 0:11:12.961 --> 0:11:13.361 She was. 0:11:14.801 --> 0:11:17.441 Like distressed. You could see she had a problem, Like 0:11:17.521 --> 0:11:19.321 she was like, you know, she was a bit twitchy, 0:11:19.401 --> 0:11:21.441 and she was just like you could see I was 0:11:21.521 --> 0:11:24.441 only working in a restaurant like across the way. She 0:11:25.601 --> 0:11:29.521 dropped out on the poke machine. Like her skull hit 0:11:29.561 --> 0:11:32.921 the machine like with this force of like a brick, 0:11:33.601 --> 0:11:37.001 and she fell to the floor and she was dead right, 0:11:37.841 --> 0:11:39.801 And as an eighteen year old was seeing that, I 0:11:39.921 --> 0:11:45.121 was like, once she was on the ground, everyone of course, 0:11:45.201 --> 0:11:49.281 you know, suitably freaked out around it. Then they called 0:11:49.321 --> 0:11:54.321 the security and the paramedics and so everyone came and 0:11:54.361 --> 0:11:56.841 then they were working on it. Then they put up 0:11:56.841 --> 0:11:59.681 a screen, right, you know when you go to the 0:12:00.401 --> 0:12:03.521 races and they put up a screen when a horse 0:12:03.681 --> 0:12:06.601 does its leg and has to be put down. Right, 0:12:07.281 --> 0:12:09.961 they did that in the casino for the woman, right, 0:12:10.521 --> 0:12:15.641 put her on the stretcher and then wheeled her out 0:12:16.281 --> 0:12:19.161 like all in the space of you know, fifteen minutes, 0:12:20.001 --> 0:12:24.241 forty five minutes later, there was the screen had been cleaned. 0:12:24.881 --> 0:12:27.761 Someone else was playing the pogriage, you know what I mean. 0:12:28.161 --> 0:12:31.401 I was like, what's going on here? 0:12:33.801 --> 0:12:37.241 So Dan was a normal Aussie knock about kid. Pretty 0:12:37.241 --> 0:12:40.561 standard family with his mom and his dad, who were 0:12:40.601 --> 0:12:41.801 both pretty straight laced. 0:12:42.761 --> 0:12:47.841 So my dad was in TV and the media. He 0:12:47.881 --> 0:12:51.361 taught me about the media at the very very young age. 0:12:52.121 --> 0:12:54.481 Never let the truth get in front of a good story. 0:12:54.761 --> 0:12:57.961 My mom was a childcare worker. Yeah, so dad used 0:12:57.961 --> 0:13:01.241 to read the news on Channel ten when it was 0:13:01.281 --> 0:13:02.681 called Channel Zeros. 0:13:02.641 --> 0:13:06.761 Topless or drama followeens in Street. Then at age thirty, 0:13:06.841 --> 0:13:09.961 there's ghostly laughs when Peter O'Toole Darren Hanna and Steve 0:13:10.001 --> 0:13:17.241 Gutenberg Starr in ten's premiere Wednesday movie High Spirits. 0:13:17.521 --> 0:13:20.721 I just remember it was sort of it was one 0:13:20.801 --> 0:13:22.921 night I was magic. You know. It was kind of 0:13:23.081 --> 0:13:25.121 like a magical thing because he was in the room 0:13:25.161 --> 0:13:28.441 next to us, but the news was on, you know, 0:13:28.601 --> 0:13:31.121 like because he'd done all the news breaks or whatever. 0:13:31.561 --> 0:13:34.201 When you close to your dad, Yeah, it was yeah, yeah, 0:13:34.321 --> 0:13:34.801 very close. 0:13:36.081 --> 0:13:36.281 Yeah. 0:13:36.321 --> 0:13:38.001 We used to Yeah, we just go to footy all 0:13:38.001 --> 0:13:40.201 the time, used to play play golf a bit. You know. 0:13:40.241 --> 0:13:42.001 My dad used to say all the time, you say, 0:13:42.041 --> 0:13:44.561 just go with the fly, just you know, don't worry 0:13:44.601 --> 0:13:47.241 too much, like you know, if something's going to happen, 0:13:47.361 --> 0:13:50.321 it will invariably happen. You just got to be you know, 0:13:50.441 --> 0:13:52.561 positive and move forward with it. At the end of 0:13:52.561 --> 0:13:54.401 the day, it doesn't matter if you've got you know, 0:13:55.041 --> 0:13:57.481 ten thousand dollars or ten million dollars, it doesn't matter 0:13:57.681 --> 0:14:01.001 like it, it doesn't change you as as a person. 0:14:01.361 --> 0:14:03.801 And that's probably what you know he instilled in me 0:14:03.921 --> 0:14:04.601 pretty early on. 0:14:05.121 --> 0:14:07.401 Did you learn that lesson? Throughout this The way that. 0:14:07.361 --> 0:14:10.481 People change is insane, Like around money. I couldn't even 0:14:10.481 --> 0:14:12.441 begin to tell you how much. Like I could tell 0:14:12.441 --> 0:14:15.281 you a few stories about how people change, but yeah, 0:14:15.441 --> 0:14:17.401 like it's like a complete one. 0:14:17.441 --> 0:14:20.401 Ad no trouble with the law, and although Dan wasn't 0:14:20.441 --> 0:14:23.801 going to become a banker or a lawyer, he wasn't dumb, 0:14:24.361 --> 0:14:29.001 but his interests laid more in sport. Before the glitch, 0:14:29.601 --> 0:14:33.201 Dan had only broken the law once and was never caught. 0:14:34.081 --> 0:14:36.721 In reality, it's it's actually likely that most of us 0:14:36.721 --> 0:14:38.321 have done something similar. 0:14:39.521 --> 0:14:43.921 Prior to this is I've done probably two things wrong 0:14:44.401 --> 0:14:47.241 that I was never I was never caught for first one, 0:14:47.561 --> 0:14:51.241 I think I was five. I remember Mum saying, oh, 0:14:51.241 --> 0:14:56.161 there's there's beautiful bedspreads at wherever the shop was, and now. 0:14:56.201 --> 0:14:57.801 We went to the shop and she said, I can't 0:14:57.801 --> 0:15:00.121 afford it this week, but I'll you know, we'll get 0:15:00.161 --> 0:15:01.841 we'll get it soon. I looked at the beds person. 0:15:01.881 --> 0:15:03.721 I was like, oh, they're there, Why don't you just 0:15:03.761 --> 0:15:06.921 take them out? So well, I waited for him to 0:15:06.921 --> 0:15:09.481 walk off, and then I just grabbed him. I was like, oh, 0:15:09.521 --> 0:15:12.041 I was just you know, and you know, halfway down 0:15:12.081 --> 0:15:13.801 the street, I'm like, oh, I've got those bedspreads. Man. 0:15:14.361 --> 0:15:15.881 She's like, what are you doing? 0:15:15.921 --> 0:15:16.921 You know, take it back. 0:15:17.241 --> 0:15:19.361 You know, my mum's never done anything wrong in our. 0:15:19.361 --> 0:15:23.321 Life, unlike Dan's atm card Glitch. We never really heard 0:15:23.361 --> 0:15:26.601 about the great bedspread robbery of the eighties on a 0:15:26.641 --> 0:15:30.241 current affair. So let's put that down to a misdemeanor 0:15:30.361 --> 0:15:33.161 of a young kid at five trying to do the 0:15:33.241 --> 0:15:36.001 right thing by his mum. And how was she when 0:15:36.041 --> 0:15:37.921 she found out about all of this? 0:15:38.881 --> 0:15:42.601 Oh yeah, she just said What did she say? She 0:15:42.641 --> 0:15:45.721 said something like, well, you're going to have to lie 0:15:45.761 --> 0:15:48.201 in it now, aren't you. You know you've done the 0:15:48.241 --> 0:15:50.801 wrong thing and now you know, And I'm like, yeah, 0:15:50.841 --> 0:15:53.481 well I guess. So she said, oh, you're probably going 0:15:53.521 --> 0:15:56.321 to go to jail, and I'm like, yeah, I probably will, 0:15:57.121 --> 0:16:00.441 and at least you know where I am. She gives 0:16:00.521 --> 0:16:02.401 that's true. 0:16:03.721 --> 0:16:07.241 There was another time when police came knocking, this time 0:16:07.641 --> 0:16:08.841 for something more serious. 0:16:09.601 --> 0:16:12.361 Look, the only time I talked with the police officer 0:16:12.481 --> 0:16:15.041 was when they told me my father had passed away. 0:16:17.161 --> 0:16:20.561 Just got home from school and you're knock at the door. 0:16:20.841 --> 0:16:22.801 Pretty weird because mum and dad is still at work 0:16:23.201 --> 0:16:25.921 and two cops at the front door, and I'm like 0:16:27.081 --> 0:16:28.921 always in my head's going, oh, you didn't do anything wrong, 0:16:29.001 --> 0:16:31.401 Just answer, it's all right. So yeah, I answered the 0:16:31.481 --> 0:16:35.161 door and yeah, they said, you know, is John Waters 0:16:35.201 --> 0:16:39.001 live here? And I said, oh, yeah he does. And 0:16:39.041 --> 0:16:41.321 I said do you need to come in? And they're like, yeah, 0:16:41.721 --> 0:16:44.401 probably better and they just yeah, they told me that 0:16:44.881 --> 0:16:48.521 he had a heart attack and he was yeah, he 0:16:48.561 --> 0:16:52.561 was sort of dead before he hit the ground, and yeah, 0:16:52.961 --> 0:16:56.361 just started walking down the street. So yeah, it was 0:16:56.361 --> 0:17:00.761 fifty two. Mum used to work not too far away, 0:17:01.081 --> 0:17:05.281 So yeah, I went in the car and yeah, time 0:17:05.321 --> 0:17:09.121 of Conker went to the scene, and yeah, I saw 0:17:09.201 --> 0:17:12.480 he used to wear these R and Williams boots. I 0:17:12.521 --> 0:17:14.400 saw them sort of poking out the bottom of the 0:17:14.441 --> 0:17:15.521 White Sheet, and. 0:17:16.321 --> 0:17:21.720 Yeah, John's death affected the family. They packed up the 0:17:21.761 --> 0:17:25.001 family home in Melbourne and moved to the Sunshine Coast 0:17:25.041 --> 0:17:29.481 in Queensland to a place called Kawana Waters in twenty 0:17:29.561 --> 0:17:33.480 twenty two. Kawana Waters is a really affluent place with 0:17:33.561 --> 0:17:38.001 big houses on the canals and luxurious lifestyles for those 0:17:38.041 --> 0:17:41.360 that live there. But back when Dan moved there with 0:17:41.481 --> 0:17:44.480 his family, it was a little different, like. 0:17:44.681 --> 0:17:47.281 Very it's a different life up there, like you if 0:17:47.321 --> 0:17:50.200 you grabub in Melbourne or Sydney, very different life on 0:17:50.201 --> 0:17:52.481 the Sunshine Coast, like you know, right near the beach. 0:17:53.521 --> 0:17:57.240 Not really many people pushing too hard up there, you know, 0:17:57.321 --> 0:18:01.521 Like as a kid in Melbourne or Sydney, you're really 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:04.840 told that, you know, if you don't get your education, 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:08.041 like you're going to be in a big pool and 0:18:08.080 --> 0:18:10.401 you're not going to know what to do. So there's 0:18:10.441 --> 0:18:14.440 that big fear factor in regards to that. But on 0:18:14.481 --> 0:18:17.680 the Sunshine Coast it was there was I remember that 0:18:17.801 --> 0:18:20.961 was Newer States and stuff, and all the kids were 0:18:21.041 --> 0:18:24.961 just to organize a party and just infiltrated big park 0:18:25.001 --> 0:18:27.640 on the new estate and just it'd be full, like 0:18:27.640 --> 0:18:29.720 it'd be cop centered up. They'd be like nine hundred 0:18:29.761 --> 0:18:33.281 kids in this park sipping from goomsacks like it just 0:18:33.681 --> 0:18:36.720 good time, good time. That was a loose time. That 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.681 was probably looser than the ATM time. That was loose. Yeah, 0:18:40.801 --> 0:18:41.521 like kids can. 0:18:41.481 --> 0:18:44.161 Die the looser than the ATM time. 0:18:44.721 --> 0:18:45.321 Pretty loose. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:48.920 I know there's lots of detail about Dan as a 0:18:49.001 --> 0:18:51.401 kid in the start of this podcast, but I think 0:18:51.441 --> 0:18:54.120 it's important to show what sort of bloke he was. 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.720 He wasn't some sort of criminal mastermind. He was just 0:18:57.761 --> 0:19:01.680 a normal kid doing normal stuff. He was lucky to 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:05.520 escape the Sunshine Coast with no issues. He moved back 0:19:05.521 --> 0:19:08.720 to Melbourne. He got a job at Nando's and then 0:19:08.961 --> 0:19:12.801 some other random hospitality jobs before he got a job 0:19:12.961 --> 0:19:14.521 at Melbourne's Crown Casino. 0:19:14.721 --> 0:19:17.720 And so the casino is the most beautiful way to 0:19:17.761 --> 0:19:21.561 cut yourself off socially from everyone who really cares about you. 0:19:21.681 --> 0:19:25.240 So you do a twenty four hour rotating roster with 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:30.481 eight thousand other like minded people and good experience for 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:35.161 terms of hospitality skills and things like that. I started 0:19:35.201 --> 0:19:41.041 in food and beverage. So yeah, a very very loose environment. 0:19:41.281 --> 0:19:45.681 Like you know, it looks very official and it's probably 0:19:46.640 --> 0:19:49.601 toned down a bit now, but you know, we used 0:19:49.640 --> 0:19:53.600 to have missed that. Bosses. It just go off, you know, 0:19:53.961 --> 0:19:56.720 after work and go straight back onto the game before 0:19:56.921 --> 0:19:58.120 and start playing blackjack. 0:19:58.201 --> 0:19:58.400 You know. 0:19:59.001 --> 0:20:00.641 The first thing I said to you is that you're 0:20:00.681 --> 0:20:02.801 not allowed a game, but plenty of people get. 0:20:03.080 --> 0:20:04.761 You would have seen some big money go through that. 0:20:05.321 --> 0:20:08.160 Yeah. I saw David Hasselhoff once with a big Macca's 0:20:08.241 --> 0:20:11.840 bag for cash. Loved it. I thought, that's great. I 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:13.680 want to do that one day. But I loved it, 0:20:13.761 --> 0:20:16.680 like I was like, oh, David Hasselhoff just just cruising. 0:20:16.721 --> 0:20:19.521 It was just cruising around the casino, flought, just playing 0:20:19.561 --> 0:20:23.241 blackjack with this Max bag for a cash, beautiful. 0:20:23.201 --> 0:20:26.321 A Macca's bag. Yeah, yeah, you're David Hasselhoff. 0:20:27.041 --> 0:20:30.080 But back then, now I reckon it would be something nice. 0:20:30.241 --> 0:20:33.521 He means whatever, But now I don't know. I think 0:20:33.561 --> 0:20:38.160 back then he was still he was still amazed that 0:20:38.201 --> 0:20:41.720 he was famous. He was like, he was like, yeah, okay, 0:20:41.840 --> 0:20:48.041 I'm going to I'm loving this, you know. Very it 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:50.201 was a very loose time. We see it. Every night 0:20:50.441 --> 0:20:53.840 we'd finish work eleven o'clock twelve o'clock and we'd go 0:20:53.961 --> 0:20:56.760 out to five am and then we do it. You know, 0:20:57.041 --> 0:20:58.840 we used to wear it like a like a badge 0:20:58.840 --> 0:21:04.960 of honor. You know, it was like the stamp for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. 0:21:05.921 --> 0:21:09.001 How loose is loose? Just like I think when you're 0:21:09.001 --> 0:21:10.441 without incriminating yourself. 0:21:10.561 --> 0:21:13.640 Yeah, I mean when you just when it's just a 0:21:13.681 --> 0:21:16.240 bit of a party, like you don't know what's going 0:21:16.321 --> 0:21:20.001 to happen. It's just you know, you're not being overtly 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.160 dangerous in any way, but it's just like, you know, 0:21:23.281 --> 0:21:24.840 we're going to go and get a bit loose, like 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:26.840 we're just not you know, we could end up in 0:21:27.360 --> 0:21:30.880 you know, you'd wake up in you know, hider work, 0:21:30.961 --> 0:21:33.240 you know, like another suburb in Melbourne and go how 0:21:33.281 --> 0:21:35.641 the hell did out get here? Like what happened last night? 0:21:35.761 --> 0:21:35.960 You know? 0:21:36.481 --> 0:21:38.201 I remember we used to walk around the gaming floor 0:21:38.201 --> 0:21:42.360 a crown with like bourbon and coax in like pint glasses. 0:21:42.801 --> 0:21:43.160