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Speaker 1: Approache Production Episode one, The Outback rock Star. This is

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Speaker 1: and I first heard his story listening to the radio

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Speaker 2: Imagine you find a loophole and that loophole enabled at

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Speaker 1: I called bullshit and thought there's no way this could

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Speaker 1: wasn't funny Alarican who fleeced a major bank of more

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Speaker 2: The ATMG who discovered a loophole in the banking system

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Speaker 1: This is not your everyday true crime podcast. Sure there's

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Speaker 1: be honest, as these episodes unfold, some might even question

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably go to jail now for what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: Let's really test this glitch out. Let's take the Ferrari

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Speaker 1: I once heard a comedian say that there are more

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Speaker 1: He's not far from the truth. But this story is

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Speaker 1: the story unravels, you'll see why lots of producers, the

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Speaker 1: movie types are chasing this down as a movie. Why

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Speaker 1: because it has all the hallmarks of a great story.

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Speaker 1: Sex Like was just saying to me repeatedly, think about

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Speaker 1: this swinging in jail, think about this swing. You're in

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Speaker 2: There's a drug guy black. If you want drugs, you

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Speaker 1: What conroll?

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Speaker 2: If I went out for lunch being massive tip, I'd

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Speaker 2: In fact, months later I did transfer three lots of

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Speaker 2: sticking it to the big guy. Looks like me, and

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Speaker 1: As a hero and a villain who are possibly the

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Speaker 1: same person. That person is Dan Saunders, and this is

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Speaker 1: the glitch. It's much taller than I thought you'd bet. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I get that a lot. Yeah yeah, I thought you

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Speaker 1: were like, yeah, six floors, Yeah cool, let's go up.

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Speaker 1: Have you been here before?

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Speaker 2: I don't think that that's.

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Speaker 1: An awesome hotel. Dan and I met to record this

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Speaker 1: The hotel was called the Ovelo in the Valley in Brisbane. Now.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't want to be walking around and going,

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Speaker 2: oh that's you know, that's atm boy.

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Speaker 2: But in terms of his story, it's got legs, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: If Dan had a theme song back in twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: we get that Nickelback song licensed for this podcast? Bear us?

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Speaker 1: So we didn't get Nickelback, but I did get a

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Speaker 1: all because of the glitch. Before all that, let's find

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Speaker 1: out who Dan Saunders is. I was able to establish

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Speaker 1: I was curious about how he still does this, You

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Speaker 1: Dodgy's still down on it.

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Speaker 2: I've got to protect my friends. Yeah, good, because yeah,

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Speaker 1: And these are friends throughout the ordeal.

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Speaker 1: And you want to stick with them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's when you go to jail. People are bannon you.

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Speaker 2: People you wouldn't think there's people in your life who

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Speaker 1: You'll hear a fair bit of that in this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Friends that's stuck around and then friends, lovers and people

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Speaker 1: To understand Dan, I reckon, it's important to go back

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Speaker 2: My biggest memory from growing up is sport in the street.

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Speaker 1: What did Dan Saunders want to be when he grew up?

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Speaker 1: So Dan wanted to be a footy star as a kid.

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Speaker 1: An AFL footy star could definitely live the life of

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Speaker 1: He just had to head to the ATM. As you

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Speaker 1: can hear, Dan sounds pretty normal, not the mastermind crime

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Speaker 2: When you work out, school is basically just a you know,

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Speaker 1: As we're preparing for this interview, we went backwards and

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Speaker 1: little texts that helped build a character of who Dan is.

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Speaker 1: In some of the texts I've had with Dan, he

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Speaker 2: It wasn't all what. It wasn't always at the end

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Speaker 2: got behind as a kid. I'm not saying you should

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Speaker 1: I was pretty confused by this story from Dan. I

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Speaker 1: think what Dan was trying to say was don't believe

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Speaker 1: everything you hear. What I did get out of Dan's

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Speaker 2: Oh I don't know about that, Like like I wouldn't,

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Speaker 2: in Docklands in Melbourne.

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Speaker 1: The Watermark Docklands is a stylish event and function space,

433
00:23:22,441 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: or at least that's what their website says. In the

434
00:23:25,001 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 1: heart of the Docklands, it's a cool looking venue for

435
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: TVs above the bar that would show the latst footage

436
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,481
Speaker 1: game or film clip and it would become a regular

437
00:23:35,521 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: haunt for Dan and the Crown mates, both before the

438
00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:48,321
Speaker 1: glitch and after. Dan met lots of his mates at

439
00:23:48,321 --> 00:23:52,001
Speaker 1: Crown and also met a girl. Her name was Bell,

440
00:23:52,561 --> 00:23:54,761
Speaker 1: and pretty early on it was serious.

441
00:23:56,481 --> 00:23:58,521
Speaker 2: She actually worked at the casino when I worked there,

442
00:23:58,561 --> 00:24:00,561
Speaker 2: but we never met. We had a great connection and

443
00:24:01,001 --> 00:24:01,921
Speaker 2: it's very funny.

444
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was great, so serious they planned on getting married.

445
00:24:06,721 --> 00:24:09,561
Speaker 1: They did what any planning on getting married couple does.

446
00:24:10,041 --> 00:24:13,761
Speaker 1: They started a joint bank account and moved closer to family.

447
00:24:14,481 --> 00:24:16,801
Speaker 1: Bell was studying to be a teacher, so she went

448
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: to live with a family in a tiny Victorian town

449
00:24:20,001 --> 00:24:23,761
Speaker 1: of glen Rowan. Bell was also religious and so were

450
00:24:23,761 --> 00:24:27,041
Speaker 1: a family, so Dan moved close by to work in

451
00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,921
Speaker 1: the town of Wangaratta, while Belle lived with her folks

452
00:24:31,281 --> 00:24:34,521
Speaker 1: in glen Rowan, which is about fifteen minutes up the road.

453
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,801
Speaker 2: Yeah, she was sort of getting homesick and so she

454
00:24:39,921 --> 00:24:42,801
Speaker 2: decided that she was going to move back home, and

455
00:24:43,761 --> 00:24:46,961
Speaker 2: I sort of, yeah, I followed.

456
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 1: Because how often would you see each other like you

457
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,561
Speaker 1: living in wang Yeah, we.

458
00:24:50,521 --> 00:24:54,481
Speaker 2: Didn't see each other heaps. Okay that because of that,

459
00:24:54,801 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: And yeah, she had quite a religious family, so we

460
00:24:58,761 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: can have sleep over her place or anything like that.

461
00:25:01,561 --> 00:25:03,281
Speaker 2: So it was a bit. Yeah, it was a bit different,

462
00:25:03,321 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 2: but we'd already lived together before, all right, it wasn't

463
00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 2: like there wasn't that thing. Well, we knew what it

464
00:25:08,721 --> 00:25:10,481
Speaker 2: was going to be like, but it was only going

465
00:25:10,481 --> 00:25:11,561
Speaker 2: to be like that for so long.

466
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 1: And then talk to me about your mates in Wangaratta

467
00:25:14,321 --> 00:25:16,241
Speaker 1: at that stage, Yeah, well.

468
00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 2: I was good friends with their brother. The only other

469
00:25:19,321 --> 00:25:21,881
Speaker 2: people I met was at work because I didn't Yeah,

470
00:25:21,961 --> 00:25:25,360
Speaker 2: I didn't know anyone else where were you working? I

471
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,160
Speaker 2: was working at a place called the West Side Tavern.

472
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: I had a job earlier than that in a place

473
00:25:30,921 --> 00:25:33,961
Speaker 2: called Beachworth, a place called the Green Shed, and that's

474
00:25:33,961 --> 00:25:37,001
Speaker 2: where I met my chef friend his name was Mark,

475
00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,001
Speaker 2: but it was a bit far to a beachway. So

476
00:25:40,001 --> 00:25:44,481
Speaker 2: when the job came up in Wangaratda, it's funny town

477
00:25:44,561 --> 00:25:47,400
Speaker 2: because not a lot of hospitality, not a lot of

478
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,001
Speaker 2: full time gigs.

479
00:25:49,241 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: West Side Tavern. What is it that it look like?

480
00:25:51,241 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: I think that from all reports, I've tried to judge

481
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,201
Speaker 2: it up a bit. Yeah, back in the day, very plain,

482
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: like it almost looked like, you know, one of those

483
00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:04,561
Speaker 2: display homes that you go to a village and there's

484
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,761
Speaker 2: a display home with the red brick kind of like that. Yeah,

485
00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 2: like clean and nice, but very you know, like like

486
00:26:13,521 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: they put it up in the middle of nowhere. But

487
00:26:15,441 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 2: it was solid. It had solid foundations and a good yeah, good,

488
00:26:19,561 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: good drinking crew. There was hardly any trouble there, Like,

489
00:26:22,761 --> 00:26:24,521
Speaker 2: it wasn't that kind of place. It was like you

490
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,001
Speaker 2: knew if you went there. It was just very It

491
00:26:27,041 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 2: was very basic, comfortable style. It wasn't you know, no

492
00:26:31,561 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 2: one was too loud there or anything like that. It wasn't.

493
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,001
Speaker 2: It was a nice, respectable in I thought.

494
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,921
Speaker 1: I'd call the West Side Tavern and see if Dan

495
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,801
Speaker 1: was a bit of a local legend at the pub.

496
00:26:43,281 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: After all, this story has been around for a while.

497
00:26:46,681 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: Their Facebook page looks like it's had a bit of

498
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,521
Speaker 1: an update. It's got five hundred followers. When I called

499
00:26:52,521 --> 00:26:56,241
Speaker 1: them on a Wednesday, AVO, the pub was in full swing.

500
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: There were seven people there, a few having a punt

501
00:27:00,441 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: and the rest just regulars, probably having there after work FB.

502
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,041
Speaker 2: Yeah, regularly, you know people who come in and you

503
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 2: know a few horse trainers from the local track. There

504
00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:12,441
Speaker 2: was a few characters there. It was a nice place.

505
00:27:12,481 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: It wasn't It wasn't a place where I sort of felt,

506
00:27:15,001 --> 00:27:17,321
Speaker 2: you know, I've worked places before where I've been like,

507
00:27:17,681 --> 00:27:19,321
Speaker 2: you know, you've got to be on your guard here

508
00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,641
Speaker 2: because like someone might glass you. Like it's a bit

509
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: of a ship joint. It was nice energy there, you know,

510
00:27:24,761 --> 00:27:27,361
Speaker 2: not in the terms of like you know, obviously everyone's

511
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 2: drinking away their problems. That's what you know, that's what

512
00:27:29,961 --> 00:27:34,761
Speaker 2: a pubby is basically. But yeah, I mean in terms

513
00:27:34,761 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: of like everyone was reasonably civil. You know, like the

514
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: Garbo would get there at ten am, and he'd be

515
00:27:41,241 --> 00:27:43,400
Speaker 2: there at ten am every day, you know, for his

516
00:27:43,521 --> 00:27:45,961
Speaker 2: two and then he'd head off and then you know,

517
00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:50,281
Speaker 2: Jeff from the factory to heat in get It's like

518
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,441
Speaker 2: the same day. But you know, yeah, I just see

519
00:27:54,481 --> 00:27:58,001
Speaker 2: the new which bit yeah which bitch. Oh, you know,

520
00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,281
Speaker 2: it's just well it's not how it used to be.

521
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: Another another, another cart and dryer. Ye, perfect, great, you

522
00:28:05,681 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: know that kind of stuff. And yeah, you know, just

523
00:28:09,561 --> 00:28:13,441
Speaker 2: humble people going about their business and very very non

524
00:28:13,481 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: script very you know, the type of plays. If a

525
00:28:17,041 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: if a female walks in and she's a you know,

526
00:28:20,321 --> 00:28:24,521
Speaker 2: she's she's easy on the eye, the fucking world stops.

527
00:28:24,921 --> 00:28:29,801
Speaker 2: Everyone goes ship, what is happening here? Yeah, that kind

528
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,161
Speaker 2: of true.

529
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,801
Speaker 1: And there was one other feature of that particular pub

530
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 1: or in as you like to call it, that became

531
00:28:36,241 --> 00:28:37,161
Speaker 1: a bit of a downfall.

532
00:28:37,721 --> 00:28:39,761
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, the tap.

533
00:28:39,681 --> 00:28:42,921
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, that's yeah. So this is where you can

534
00:28:43,401 --> 00:28:46,041
Speaker 1: punt on pretty much anything you like. Yeah, back in

535
00:28:46,081 --> 00:28:48,641
Speaker 1: the day, horses, dogs, whatever.

536
00:28:48,801 --> 00:28:51,001
Speaker 2: Yeah, while you can drinking.

537
00:28:51,601 --> 00:29:06,121
Speaker 1: That was a beautiful line or face the first Okay,

538
00:29:06,521 --> 00:29:09,681
Speaker 1: enough of the backstory, let's get into the night. Dan

539
00:29:09,801 --> 00:29:13,801
Speaker 1: found out that he had a magic ATM card that

540
00:29:13,921 --> 00:29:17,641
Speaker 1: could give him endless amounts of cash and let him

541
00:29:17,721 --> 00:29:21,761
Speaker 1: live the life of a rock star, a life like

542
00:29:21,881 --> 00:29:24,681
Speaker 1: that time he saw the hof walking through the Crown

543
00:29:24,761 --> 00:29:30,561
Speaker 1: Casino with a Maca's bag full of cash allegedly. So

544
00:29:30,641 --> 00:29:34,201
Speaker 1: let's talk about that night. You're at the pub, you're working.

545
00:29:35,081 --> 00:29:39,481
Speaker 2: Yeah, west sides having pulling beers, and it was.

546
00:29:39,441 --> 00:29:42,001
Speaker 1: Like it's like a Tuesday night so on, so middle

547
00:29:42,001 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 1: of the week night.

548
00:29:42,561 --> 00:29:48,241
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very very subdued, not much activity at all. Yeah,

549
00:29:48,281 --> 00:29:50,601
Speaker 2: a few people just sort of finishing up their fish

550
00:29:50,601 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 2: and chips in the corner.

551
00:29:51,921 --> 00:29:53,761
Speaker 1: So bar shuts at nine point thirty ten.

552
00:29:54,001 --> 00:29:56,481
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it just shuts when everyone stops drinking. Really,

553
00:29:56,961 --> 00:30:01,321
Speaker 2: so then yeah, I just cashed up and went Yeah,

554
00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:06,161
Speaker 2: because I was held responsible position, I was cashed up.

555
00:30:06,241 --> 00:30:09,521
Speaker 1: Means basically, yeah, the transaction.

556
00:30:09,441 --> 00:30:14,401
Speaker 2: Saw the till, reconciled the tab and yeah, just basically

557
00:30:15,721 --> 00:30:17,561
Speaker 2: I sought everything out, put it all in the safe.

558
00:30:18,001 --> 00:30:20,641
Speaker 2: You're a pretty trustworthy guy, Yeah, well yeah, I mean

559
00:30:20,681 --> 00:30:22,681
Speaker 2: there was nothing like, there was nothing not to trust

560
00:30:22,761 --> 00:30:23,281
Speaker 2: me with it.

561
00:30:23,721 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: You know what sort of cash turns over in a

562
00:30:25,441 --> 00:30:27,081
Speaker 1: pub like that on a Tuesday night.

563
00:30:27,121 --> 00:30:28,801
Speaker 2: Oh yeah. It was like you know, like I think

564
00:30:28,841 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: you'd notice if you took money, because it's like, you know,

565
00:30:31,001 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: if you take fifty dollars out of four hundred, like

566
00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:35,401
Speaker 2: it's a fair bit, right, So.

567
00:30:35,521 --> 00:30:37,721
Speaker 1: Not turn out the hundreds of thousands of dollars or anything.

568
00:30:37,961 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 2: It's not a lot of money. I went to a

569
00:30:40,441 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 2: place called the Bull's Head, which is in one Garader

570
00:30:43,281 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 2: still there, you know, because as long as we were

571
00:30:45,761 --> 00:30:48,401
Speaker 2: spending money, he'd stay open. I think. I think sometimes

572
00:30:48,401 --> 00:30:50,761
Speaker 2: we stayed there till like one or two o'clock in

573
00:30:50,801 --> 00:30:54,201
Speaker 2: the morning, when he normally be closed at you know,

574
00:30:54,441 --> 00:30:58,001
Speaker 2: eleven thirty. Matt my my friend. He was a chef

575
00:30:58,001 --> 00:31:01,121
Speaker 2: at Beachworth who I'd previously worked with and had we

576
00:31:01,161 --> 00:31:05,001
Speaker 2: had a good report, brought together by the love of

577
00:31:05,201 --> 00:31:10,881
Speaker 2: the Golden Ale. Not Golden Ale, that's horrible, but yeah,

578
00:31:10,921 --> 00:31:12,561
Speaker 2: so we used to love a few beers and we'd

579
00:31:12,601 --> 00:31:16,881
Speaker 2: go go together and yeah, so I was at I

580
00:31:16,921 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: was at the pub with Mark Payday Wednesday. It's payday

581
00:31:21,281 --> 00:31:24,161
Speaker 2: on Wednesdays, so it was things are a bit lan

582
00:31:25,041 --> 00:31:29,641
Speaker 2: in the old account. So Mark shouted the first few

583
00:31:30,321 --> 00:31:31,761
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm going to go and try

584
00:31:31,761 --> 00:31:34,361
Speaker 2: and get some money out because you know, and he

585
00:31:34,441 --> 00:31:37,321
Speaker 2: was also like, you know, pay for some beers you

586
00:31:38,041 --> 00:31:42,281
Speaker 2: Mark Inn Yeah, fair cool, I'll head out to the ATM.

587
00:31:42,361 --> 00:31:45,361
Speaker 2: So I wasn't sure because I knew that I transferred

588
00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:46,961
Speaker 2: a little bit of money to the joint account, so

589
00:31:47,001 --> 00:31:48,921
Speaker 2: I wasn't sure how much was in there. I was

590
00:31:49,201 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: pretty sure it was like three dollars. It wasn't a

591
00:31:51,241 --> 00:31:53,361
Speaker 2: lot of money, but I tried to get a balance

592
00:31:53,401 --> 00:31:59,521
Speaker 2: donetheless on my savings account and it wouldn't give me one,

593
00:31:59,641 --> 00:32:02,601
Speaker 2: just said balance in my albod this time. And by

594
00:32:03,001 --> 00:32:06,401
Speaker 2: this time it's probably, yeah, eleven past twelve.

595
00:32:06,761 --> 00:32:09,881
Speaker 1: On eleven minutes past twelve on that Wednesday morning. How

596
00:32:09,921 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: do you remember that exact detail?

597
00:32:11,761 --> 00:32:14,921
Speaker 2: It's probably pretty good, it's pretty good, but the whole

598
00:32:14,961 --> 00:32:18,641
Speaker 2: thing is like a yeah, I mean, I don't define

599
00:32:18,681 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: my life on this, but it's like it's definitely a

600
00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:25,721
Speaker 2: period that I was wide for sound during that time,

601
00:32:25,761 --> 00:32:28,881
Speaker 2: and I could tell you everything, like every single thing

602
00:32:29,481 --> 00:32:31,121
Speaker 2: pretty much exactly the time it happened.

603
00:32:31,641 --> 00:32:35,401
Speaker 1: This is a National Australia Bank ATM. Yeah, you banked

604
00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:36,041
Speaker 1: with the NAB.

605
00:32:36,201 --> 00:32:36,881
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

606
00:32:36,961 --> 00:32:39,041
Speaker 1: Your joint account was with the NAB too, So all

607
00:32:39,081 --> 00:32:41,721
Speaker 1: banking was through NAB. Yeah, yeah, everything.

608
00:32:41,761 --> 00:32:45,081
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, like one could say my complete

609
00:32:45,121 --> 00:32:48,801
Speaker 2: portfolio was through the National Australia Bank, all three dollars

610
00:32:48,801 --> 00:32:49,001
Speaker 2: of it.

611
00:32:49,161 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: Yes, and and.

612
00:32:51,761 --> 00:32:54,321
Speaker 2: And some like they make money off the debt and

613
00:32:54,321 --> 00:32:56,961
Speaker 2: and a credit card that had two thousand dollars dead

614
00:32:57,001 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: on it.

615
00:32:57,281 --> 00:32:59,521
Speaker 1: Okay, so you talk to me about that you've got

616
00:32:59,561 --> 00:33:02,041
Speaker 1: You've got a savings account and a credit account and

617
00:33:02,121 --> 00:33:03,121
Speaker 1: a joint account. Yeah.

618
00:33:03,481 --> 00:33:06,601
Speaker 2: Yeah, And and basically the joint account is you've got

619
00:33:06,641 --> 00:33:10,401
Speaker 2: to transfer on the internet, so internet banking. That account

620
00:33:10,481 --> 00:33:11,281
Speaker 2: was with another.

621
00:33:10,961 --> 00:33:12,721
Speaker 1: Bank, so you can't take money out of it.

622
00:33:12,761 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, like that's like, you know, both got

623
00:33:15,321 --> 00:33:16,001
Speaker 2: a sign for it.

624
00:33:16,121 --> 00:33:19,081
Speaker 1: Ye. So what you've got really on you is an

625
00:33:19,081 --> 00:33:22,641
Speaker 1: ATM card as a savings account and a credit card,

626
00:33:23,521 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: both with a NAB linked to one another.

627
00:33:27,041 --> 00:33:31,401
Speaker 2: So you could put your card in an ATM and

628
00:33:31,721 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: you know, you could transfer between those two accounts. So

629
00:33:35,081 --> 00:33:37,121
Speaker 2: when I couldn't get a balance on my account, that's

630
00:33:37,161 --> 00:33:39,721
Speaker 2: what that's in fact what I did. So I put

631
00:33:39,801 --> 00:33:43,081
Speaker 2: the card back in and put my PIN number in

632
00:33:43,161 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: and then selected transfer. I was like, well, I'll just

633
00:33:47,281 --> 00:33:51,921
Speaker 2: transfer some money from my credit card to my savings account.

634
00:33:52,041 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 2: Now I thought I didn't think they'd be much in

635
00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:56,000
Speaker 2: the credit card, but I thought they might be two

636
00:33:56,081 --> 00:33:58,801
Speaker 2: hundred bucks in the credit card, So I transfer. I

637
00:33:58,841 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 2: transferred two hundred from my credit card to my savings

638
00:34:01,761 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: account and it just said is actually canceled and spat

639
00:34:06,481 --> 00:34:09,721
Speaker 2: the card back out. So I was like, okay, that's weird,

640
00:34:10,601 --> 00:34:13,841
Speaker 2: So put the card back in, put the pin back in. Yeah. Well,

641
00:34:14,481 --> 00:34:16,841
Speaker 2: I'm a baler. I gonna keep going and keep trying.

642
00:34:17,881 --> 00:34:21,201
Speaker 2: So I needed to buy Marke a beer, so thought

643
00:34:21,201 --> 00:34:23,801
Speaker 2: I'll get two hundred out of the same ascount see

644
00:34:23,801 --> 00:34:26,561
Speaker 2: if that transaction, like truy to see if the transfer worked.

645
00:34:26,761 --> 00:34:29,041
Speaker 2: So anyway, the money comes out, so I'm like, oh, okay,

646
00:34:29,041 --> 00:34:31,081
Speaker 2: it must have worked. So the eighteen isn't really telling

647
00:34:31,121 --> 00:34:33,521
Speaker 2: me anything, but it's still doing sort of what I

648
00:34:33,521 --> 00:34:37,401
Speaker 2: wanted to do. And so I'd take you two hundred

649
00:34:37,441 --> 00:34:40,121
Speaker 2: dollars and just just go back to the bar and

650
00:34:41,561 --> 00:34:44,041
Speaker 2: you know, just continue having to dreat with Mark. We

651
00:34:44,081 --> 00:34:46,961
Speaker 2: could really put them on. So I've probably had probably

652
00:34:47,041 --> 00:34:51,521
Speaker 2: three points in forty minutes. So then it's probably like, yeah,

653
00:34:51,521 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: it's probably you know, ten two, maybe ten to one,

654
00:34:55,801 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: five to one, something like that. I'm we're leaving, say

655
00:35:00,481 --> 00:35:03,081
Speaker 2: goodbye to Mark. He goes, it starts to rain.

656
00:35:03,441 --> 00:35:05,161
Speaker 1: You still probably got one hundred and fifty bucks in

657
00:35:05,201 --> 00:35:05,601
Speaker 1: your pocket.

658
00:35:05,881 --> 00:35:09,281
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably probably one hundred and forty or something. Yeah,

659
00:35:09,521 --> 00:35:12,681
Speaker 2: you know you didn't count the jukebox jack. Sorry, it's

660
00:35:12,721 --> 00:35:15,681
Speaker 2: in the rain. I've got to walk home, which is

661
00:35:16,881 --> 00:35:21,601
Speaker 2: maybe one one point two one point three ks, and

662
00:35:21,641 --> 00:35:25,081
Speaker 2: so I'm like, maybe I'll just stop. I'm just stopping

663
00:35:25,121 --> 00:35:28,241
Speaker 2: the l chive the ATM and I was thinking about it.

664
00:35:28,241 --> 00:35:31,001
Speaker 2: I was just thinking that was it's weird. I certainly

665
00:35:31,041 --> 00:35:35,121
Speaker 2: didn't need more money at that point, Like nothing was

666
00:35:35,121 --> 00:35:38,601
Speaker 2: open and I couldn't have gone anywhere. I wasn't standing

667
00:35:38,601 --> 00:35:42,681
Speaker 2: at the front of a casino somewhere going, oh, you know,

668
00:35:42,721 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 2: how am I going to get a bit of extra

669
00:35:44,081 --> 00:35:48,161
Speaker 2: coin here? So, out of pure curiosity and probably a

670
00:35:48,161 --> 00:35:52,881
Speaker 2: bit of it, I'm just gone, maybe it's probably card

671
00:35:52,881 --> 00:35:56,561
Speaker 2: back in, see what happens to you. So I put

672
00:35:56,561 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: it back in and I still couldn't get a balance,

673
00:35:58,561 --> 00:36:00,961
Speaker 2: and I say it the can. So I was like,

674
00:36:01,081 --> 00:36:03,801
Speaker 2: I'm going to transfer from a credit card to my

675
00:36:03,881 --> 00:36:07,681
Speaker 2: savings another two So I did that same thing at

676
00:36:07,721 --> 00:36:12,001
Speaker 2: the transaction cancer and the card came out and I

677
00:36:12,041 --> 00:36:17,201
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, well, if history has anything to say

678
00:36:17,201 --> 00:36:19,761
Speaker 2: about this, we should be able to get the two

679
00:36:19,801 --> 00:36:20,921
Speaker 2: hundred out of the savings account.

680
00:36:21,641 --> 00:36:22,241
Speaker 1: So I did.

681
00:36:28,361 --> 00:36:35,481
Speaker 2: So then I did four hundred.

682
00:36:39,321 --> 00:36:41,721
Speaker 1: Then I did six hundred, all in the same night,

683
00:36:41,881 --> 00:36:42,161
Speaker 1: all the.

684
00:36:42,201 --> 00:36:45,801
Speaker 2: Same night, and then I did another eight hundred or

685
00:36:45,801 --> 00:36:59,361
Speaker 2: something enough to drag it up to two. Because I

686
00:36:59,401 --> 00:37:01,881
Speaker 2: had a credit card and I had a Save music card,

687
00:37:02,361 --> 00:37:04,721
Speaker 2: so I could get one thousand dollars on each card.

688
00:37:05,081 --> 00:37:07,241
Speaker 2: I could get a thousand dollars on the savings card,

689
00:37:07,361 --> 00:37:09,521
Speaker 2: and then I got a thousand on the credit card,

690
00:37:09,601 --> 00:37:11,401
Speaker 2: which was linked to the savings account. So I just

691
00:37:11,401 --> 00:37:14,641
Speaker 2: put the credit card in press savings account and get

692
00:37:14,641 --> 00:37:16,961
Speaker 2: the thousand out of there. So I had, Yeah, I

693
00:37:17,001 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 2: had about you know, nineteen forty nine and forty bucks

694
00:37:22,561 --> 00:37:28,121
Speaker 2: or something like that in my hands, and the rain stopped.

695
00:37:28,721 --> 00:37:33,281
Speaker 2: I was like, well, perfect, great started down the road

696
00:37:33,281 --> 00:37:36,241
Speaker 2: and I put the money in my wallet, and yeah,

697
00:37:36,281 --> 00:37:39,601
Speaker 2: I just went went home, went to bed, and I

698
00:37:39,641 --> 00:37:43,281
Speaker 2: remember distinctly waking up in the morning and I was like, oh,

699
00:37:43,441 --> 00:37:45,761
Speaker 2: hell of a dream. That was a weird dream. To

700
00:37:45,761 --> 00:37:49,241
Speaker 2: add all that stuff happened, and I even thought the

701
00:37:49,321 --> 00:37:51,721
Speaker 2: part the first bit was probably a dream, like with

702
00:37:51,921 --> 00:37:54,761
Speaker 2: the first two hundred. And then I went back and

703
00:37:54,761 --> 00:37:57,761
Speaker 2: then I knelt sort of looked to the side, and

704
00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:00,321
Speaker 2: on the right hand side of me. It was the

705
00:38:00,521 --> 00:38:03,601
Speaker 2: bedside table and a wallet full of cash, and I

706
00:38:03,681 --> 00:38:07,561
Speaker 2: was like, wow, that really did happen. Okay, I sort

707
00:38:07,561 --> 00:38:10,561
Speaker 2: of thought, well, you know, my accounts will just be

708
00:38:10,961 --> 00:38:14,441
Speaker 2: overdrawn now and I'll owe the money to the bank

709
00:38:14,481 --> 00:38:16,401
Speaker 2: and you know that'll be it. And you know, it's

710
00:38:16,481 --> 00:38:19,281
Speaker 2: just sort of a one off. So there's a couple

711
00:38:19,321 --> 00:38:21,921
Speaker 2: of things, a couple of things you know, sort of

712
00:38:22,681 --> 00:38:25,801
Speaker 2: could deal with a bit of cash for. So I

713
00:38:25,841 --> 00:38:27,721
Speaker 2: think one was like a you know, like a new

714
00:38:27,761 --> 00:38:29,761
Speaker 2: fridge free with fridge was on the blink.

715
00:38:30,001 --> 00:38:33,001
Speaker 1: So do you tell the girlfriend that you're all cashed

716
00:38:33,081 --> 00:38:35,001
Speaker 1: up that way?

717
00:38:35,241 --> 00:38:38,561
Speaker 2: I mean I didn't feel cashed up anyway, Like I

718
00:38:38,561 --> 00:38:40,921
Speaker 2: think we went out when I went out for dinner

719
00:38:41,001 --> 00:38:44,601
Speaker 2: or something as well, and yeah, just I just did

720
00:38:44,641 --> 00:38:48,121
Speaker 2: a few sort of yeah, a few sort of you know, sort.

721
00:38:47,921 --> 00:38:52,241
Speaker 1: Of niggling things, you know, normal things, normal stuff.

722
00:38:52,761 --> 00:38:54,321
Speaker 2: And I was like, you know what, I can just

723
00:38:54,401 --> 00:38:57,881
Speaker 2: pay back that money. You know later on it'll be

724
00:38:57,961 --> 00:38:58,641
Speaker 2: it'll be fine.

725
00:38:58,841 --> 00:39:03,041
Speaker 1: So your credit card was showing that you're in debt.

726
00:39:03,401 --> 00:39:05,521
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I didn't know that yet though, Okay, like

727
00:39:05,601 --> 00:39:08,841
Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't check the bank straight.

728
00:39:08,601 --> 00:39:10,841
Speaker 1: Away next time on the glitch.

729
00:39:12,561 --> 00:39:15,641
Speaker 2: I started standing on one leg a lot, which which

730
00:39:15,681 --> 00:39:18,801
Speaker 2: is means checking your buffs. I started checking my balance

731
00:39:19,041 --> 00:39:22,281
Speaker 2: flat out, and they snowballed into this bit of a

732
00:39:22,361 --> 00:39:25,281
Speaker 2: punting and sort of trying to win the money back,

733
00:39:25,321 --> 00:39:28,001
Speaker 2: trying to win more money. I was losing. I was

734
00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,561
Speaker 2: losing a lot of hopelessness, Like I was like, I'm

735
00:39:30,561 --> 00:39:32,641
Speaker 2: going to like I'm going to keep digging myself a

736
00:39:32,681 --> 00:39:35,121
Speaker 2: whole here if I keep doing it. I was punting

737
00:39:35,161 --> 00:39:37,601
Speaker 2: like a madman, like I was trying to win back.

738
00:39:37,641 --> 00:39:39,321
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I was down about forty grand I was

739
00:39:39,321 --> 00:39:42,401
Speaker 2: trying to win it back. But anyway, small town things

740
00:39:42,441 --> 00:39:47,481
Speaker 2: are just travels fast. So she yeah, she sends to

741
00:39:47,561 --> 00:39:50,201
Speaker 2: your text the same pretty much the same day, just

742
00:39:50,281 --> 00:39:52,521
Speaker 2: out of the blue. I'm not sure what you're into,

743
00:39:53,081 --> 00:39:58,201
Speaker 2: but I want no part of it. And that's it

744
00:39:58,281 --> 00:39:58,601
Speaker 2: for us,