1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,801 Speaker 1: Approache Production. 2 00:00:14,681 --> 00:00:19,001 Speaker 2: Episode one, The Outback rock Star. This is a pretty 3 00:00:19,041 --> 00:00:22,081 Speaker 2: unreal story. When I first heard it, I actually didn't 4 00:00:22,081 --> 00:00:25,881 Speaker 2: believe it. It's the story of a normal Aussie bloke 5 00:00:26,001 --> 00:00:30,001 Speaker 2: who some might call lucky, some might call stupid, or 6 00:00:30,081 --> 00:00:33,961 Speaker 2: some might call a criminal. His name is Dan Saunders, 7 00:00:34,201 --> 00:00:36,561 Speaker 2: and I first heard his story listening to the radio 8 00:00:36,801 --> 00:00:38,361 Speaker 2: one day driving my kids to school. 9 00:00:38,921 --> 00:00:42,601 Speaker 1: Imagine you find a loophole and that loophole. 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:46,001 Speaker 3: Enabled at one point the million dollars, or whether the 11 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: money had an adm of money. 12 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: I called bullshit and thought there's no way this could 13 00:00:51,601 --> 00:00:54,881 Speaker 2: be true. And then I did what every inquisitive mind 14 00:00:54,921 --> 00:01:00,161 Speaker 2: does and googled him and boom, there it was. It 15 00:01:00,241 --> 00:01:04,241 Speaker 2: wasn't a lie. It was so unbelievably the truth. It 16 00:01:04,321 --> 00:01:08,241 Speaker 2: wasn't funny Alarican who fleeced a major bank of more 17 00:01:08,241 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: than one and a half million dollars, now. 18 00:01:10,721 --> 00:01:14,321 Speaker 3: The ATMG who discovered a loophole in the banking system 19 00:01:14,321 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 3: that he exploited in a wild space. 20 00:01:16,761 --> 00:01:20,281 Speaker 2: This is not your everyday true crime podcast. Sure there's 21 00:01:20,321 --> 00:01:24,601 Speaker 2: been a crime that nobody's died, nobody's missing, And to 22 00:01:24,681 --> 00:01:28,721 Speaker 2: be honest, as these episodes unfold, some might even question 23 00:01:29,241 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: whether it really was a crime. There will be moments 24 00:01:32,961 --> 00:01:36,961 Speaker 2: in this podcast where you might ask yourself, what would 25 00:01:36,961 --> 00:01:39,401 Speaker 2: I do? Would I do what Dan did? 26 00:01:39,761 --> 00:01:42,961 Speaker 3: I'm gonna probably go to jail now for what I'm doing. 27 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,481 Speaker 3: Let's really test this glitch out. Let's take the Ferrari 28 00:01:48,761 --> 00:01:49,361 Speaker 3: for a drop. 29 00:01:49,841 --> 00:01:52,521 Speaker 2: I once heard a comedian say that there are more 30 00:01:52,561 --> 00:01:56,481 Speaker 2: true crime podcasts than actual true crimes, and I reckon, 31 00:01:56,881 --> 00:02:00,321 Speaker 2: He's not far from the truth. But this story is 32 00:02:00,361 --> 00:02:03,241 Speaker 2: not your run of the mill true crime podcast. As 33 00:02:03,321 --> 00:02:07,081 Speaker 2: the story unravels, you'll see why lots of producers, the 34 00:02:07,241 --> 00:02:11,281 Speaker 2: movie types are chasing this down as a movie. Why 35 00:02:11,921 --> 00:02:15,521 Speaker 2: because it has all the hallmarks of a great story. 36 00:02:16,161 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: Sex Like was just saying to me repeatedly, think about 37 00:02:20,441 --> 00:02:22,841 Speaker 2: this swinging in jail, think about this swing. You're in 38 00:02:22,881 --> 00:02:23,921 Speaker 2: jail drugs. 39 00:02:24,001 --> 00:02:26,761 Speaker 3: There's a drug guy black. If you want drugs, you 40 00:02:26,841 --> 00:02:27,481 Speaker 3: go to that guy. 41 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:28,241 Speaker 2: What conroll? 42 00:02:28,921 --> 00:02:32,881 Speaker 3: If I went out for lunch being massive tip, I'd 43 00:02:32,881 --> 00:02:36,201 Speaker 3: pay for another table as well lots of cash. You know. 44 00:02:36,281 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: In fact, months later I did transfer three lots of 45 00:02:39,761 --> 00:02:42,161 Speaker 3: nine hundred thousand, just to see what had happened and 46 00:02:42,281 --> 00:02:44,881 Speaker 3: sticking it to the big guy. Looks like me, and 47 00:02:44,921 --> 00:02:45,801 Speaker 3: there's a lot of. 48 00:02:45,761 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 2: Us who if. 49 00:02:48,401 --> 00:02:50,761 Speaker 3: There's an inch, we'll take it. 50 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:55,281 Speaker 2: As a hero and a villain who are possibly the 51 00:02:55,321 --> 00:03:00,561 Speaker 2: same person. That person is Dan Saunders, and this is 52 00:03:00,601 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 2: the glitch. It's much taller than I thought you'd bet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 53 00:03:09,841 --> 00:03:11,961 Speaker 2: I get that a lot. Yeah yeah, I thought you 54 00:03:12,001 --> 00:03:17,081 Speaker 2: were like, yeah, six floors, Yeah cool, let's go up. 55 00:03:18,081 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 2: Have you been here before? 56 00:03:20,601 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: I don't think that that's. 57 00:03:21,361 --> 00:03:24,361 Speaker 2: An awesome hotel. Dan and I met to record this 58 00:03:24,401 --> 00:03:27,401 Speaker 2: podcast in a Brisbane hotel suite. We had a bunch 59 00:03:27,401 --> 00:03:30,161 Speaker 2: of calls and about a million texts before we sat down. 60 00:03:30,881 --> 00:03:35,161 Speaker 2: The hotel was called the Ovolo in the Valley in Brisbane. Now. 61 00:03:35,201 --> 00:03:39,281 Speaker 2: The Valley is the party district of Brisbane in Australia, 62 00:03:39,601 --> 00:03:43,201 Speaker 2: lots of clubs and bars and some really nice hotels 63 00:03:43,801 --> 00:03:47,441 Speaker 2: and some pretty ordinary ones too. The room we arranged 64 00:03:48,001 --> 00:03:52,601 Speaker 2: was called the rock Star Suite, which was fitting because 65 00:03:52,641 --> 00:03:56,481 Speaker 2: over the space of four months, Dan lived the life 66 00:03:56,761 --> 00:03:59,641 Speaker 2: of a rock star on someone else's cash. 67 00:03:59,841 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to be walking around and going, 68 00:04:01,481 --> 00:04:03,641 Speaker 3: oh that's you know, that's atm boy. 69 00:04:03,801 --> 00:04:04,801 Speaker 2: I don't care about that stuff. 70 00:04:05,281 --> 00:04:07,801 Speaker 3: But in terms of his story, it's got legs, Yeah, 71 00:04:08,241 --> 00:04:09,041 Speaker 3: world wide legs. 72 00:04:09,401 --> 00:04:12,321 Speaker 2: If Dan had a theme song back in twenty eleven, 73 00:04:12,841 --> 00:04:15,681 Speaker 2: it probably would have been that really cheesy song from 74 00:04:15,761 --> 00:04:19,521 Speaker 2: Nickelback that was big in two thousand and nine. In 75 00:04:19,561 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: one of the many calls I had with Dan getting 76 00:04:21,641 --> 00:04:25,641 Speaker 2: ready for the recording session, he dropped that bombshell, can 77 00:04:25,681 --> 00:04:32,801 Speaker 2: we get that Nickelback song licensed? For this podcast? Bear us? 78 00:04:36,801 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: So we didn't get Nickelback, but I did get a 79 00:04:39,121 --> 00:04:42,121 Speaker 2: mate to sing the song. Our budgets aren't as big 80 00:04:42,161 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 2: as Dan's were when he had the magic ATM card. 81 00:04:47,001 --> 00:04:49,841 Speaker 2: You might be thinking Dan sounds like a bit of 82 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,161 Speaker 2: a knob, but I challenge you not to like the 83 00:04:53,201 --> 00:04:56,561 Speaker 2: guy by the end of this podcast. Before that one 84 00:04:56,721 --> 00:04:59,841 Speaker 2: night when he went to an ATM, took out two 85 00:04:59,921 --> 00:05:03,601 Speaker 2: hundred bucks of the bank's money, which over the period 86 00:05:03,641 --> 00:05:07,921 Speaker 2: of four months came more than one point six million dollars, 87 00:05:08,681 --> 00:05:20,441 Speaker 2: all because of the glitch. Before all that, let's find 88 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,681 Speaker 2: out who Dan Saunders is. I was able to establish 89 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 2: right now. Dan's living in Byron Bay, are at least 90 00:05:26,481 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 2: close to Byron Bay. He's living with mates who seem 91 00:05:29,961 --> 00:05:32,601 Speaker 2: to be professionals, and he's come to visit me to 92 00:05:32,641 --> 00:05:36,361 Speaker 2: do this podcast interview. He decided he'd stay in Brisbane 93 00:05:36,401 --> 00:05:39,681 Speaker 2: for a few days at another very high end hotel. 94 00:05:40,601 --> 00:05:44,161 Speaker 2: I was curious about how he still does this. You 95 00:05:44,281 --> 00:05:45,201 Speaker 2: Dodgy's still down on it. 96 00:05:46,641 --> 00:05:47,801 Speaker 3: I've got to protect my friends. 97 00:05:47,961 --> 00:05:51,801 Speaker 4: Yeah, good, because yeah, they've stuck with me through. 98 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:53,561 Speaker 2: And these are friends throughout the ordeal. 99 00:05:53,761 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they're friends throughout the audio. But they're also 100 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,401 Speaker 3: like friends who like they're you know, they're professionals. You know, 101 00:05:59,961 --> 00:06:01,801 Speaker 3: my mates with me the other day's like don't say 102 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,681 Speaker 3: my name. And also it's like about yeah, it's just 103 00:06:04,721 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: about like there's so much disconnection now, you know, you 104 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,081 Speaker 3: find people in connecting. 105 00:06:09,001 --> 00:06:10,001 Speaker 2: And you want to stick with them. 106 00:06:10,041 --> 00:06:14,081 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's when you go to jail. People are bannon 107 00:06:14,241 --> 00:06:16,881 Speaker 3: you people you wouldn't think there's people in your life 108 00:06:17,281 --> 00:06:20,401 Speaker 3: who you'd think would be by you, thick and thin, 109 00:06:21,281 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: and the fact is they wouldn't. 110 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,881 Speaker 2: You'll hear a fair bit of that in this podcast. 111 00:06:26,641 --> 00:06:31,001 Speaker 2: Friends that's stuck around and then friends, lovers and people 112 00:06:31,041 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 2: he hardly knew just up and leave. And yes, you 113 00:06:35,161 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 2: heard right, Dan ended up in jail, But that didn't 114 00:06:39,641 --> 00:06:43,041 Speaker 2: happen the way you think it happened. There are a 115 00:06:43,121 --> 00:06:46,681 Speaker 2: heap of twists and turns before Dan gets locked up. 116 00:06:47,601 --> 00:06:50,561 Speaker 2: To understand Dan, I reckon, it's important to go back 117 00:06:50,561 --> 00:06:52,921 Speaker 2: to his childhood. How did he grow up? 118 00:06:53,001 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 3: My biggest memory from growing up is sport in the street. 119 00:06:57,841 --> 00:07:00,401 Speaker 3: Like I think I was probably one of the last 120 00:07:00,481 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: children that had to be home by the time of streetlights. 121 00:07:03,081 --> 00:07:05,601 Speaker 3: We're not you know that kind of thing. We're just 122 00:07:05,641 --> 00:07:10,041 Speaker 3: outside all day, just suburban Melbourne. And yeah we play 123 00:07:10,161 --> 00:07:13,201 Speaker 3: you know, crookt in the straight and you know, like 124 00:07:13,801 --> 00:07:16,241 Speaker 3: hold the baller, you know, cars coming, you know that 125 00:07:16,321 --> 00:07:19,481 Speaker 3: kind of stuff. You know, average had mom and dad 126 00:07:19,521 --> 00:07:22,361 Speaker 3: at home. You know, we didn't have a heap of 127 00:07:22,401 --> 00:07:24,161 Speaker 3: money or anything. But you know, I remember me and 128 00:07:24,161 --> 00:07:26,441 Speaker 3: a kid and always thinking about, oh, you know what 129 00:07:26,481 --> 00:07:29,601 Speaker 3: if we lived in a bigger house and now that 130 00:07:29,681 --> 00:07:31,761 Speaker 3: kind of thing, but like we could eat put it 131 00:07:31,761 --> 00:07:33,761 Speaker 3: that way, and I think, as long as you can 132 00:07:33,801 --> 00:07:34,761 Speaker 3: eat your all right, right. 133 00:07:34,721 --> 00:07:37,041 Speaker 2: What did Dan Saunders want to be when he grew up? 134 00:07:38,001 --> 00:07:40,681 Speaker 3: I think for a change over years, I think so. 135 00:07:40,761 --> 00:07:43,721 Speaker 3: I think it probably started with a footy player, you know, 136 00:07:43,921 --> 00:07:47,761 Speaker 3: like an AFL footy player, just because you know, my 137 00:07:47,841 --> 00:07:49,921 Speaker 3: dad used to used to love footing and we used 138 00:07:49,961 --> 00:07:51,761 Speaker 3: to go and all that kind of thing. Two weeks 139 00:07:51,761 --> 00:07:55,681 Speaker 3: in into my life, I went to Prince's Park and 140 00:07:55,721 --> 00:07:59,881 Speaker 3: I was underneath the put underneath the wooden wooden seats 141 00:07:59,881 --> 00:08:04,241 Speaker 3: at Princess Park and beer can rolled into my bassinette. 142 00:08:04,521 --> 00:08:06,801 Speaker 3: So from then on it was beer in football. 143 00:08:07,521 --> 00:08:10,001 Speaker 5: The third at Princess Park five and a half but 144 00:08:10,121 --> 00:08:12,881 Speaker 5: it's gone and kind of wood leading Hawthorne by three points. 145 00:08:12,881 --> 00:08:15,121 Speaker 2: So Dan wanted to be a footy star as a kid. 146 00:08:15,521 --> 00:08:18,401 Speaker 2: An AFL footy star could definitely live the life of 147 00:08:18,401 --> 00:08:21,881 Speaker 2: a rock star. Good money, lots of girls, and a 148 00:08:21,881 --> 00:08:25,481 Speaker 2: bit of notoriety or maybe even fame. It's not lost 149 00:08:25,521 --> 00:08:28,401 Speaker 2: on me that Dan got all of that and didn't 150 00:08:28,441 --> 00:08:31,121 Speaker 2: have to do a pre season training or kick a ball. 151 00:08:32,081 --> 00:08:37,441 Speaker 2: He just had to head to the ATM. As you 152 00:08:37,441 --> 00:08:41,641 Speaker 2: can hear, Dan sounds pretty normal, not the mastermind crime 153 00:08:41,721 --> 00:08:45,441 Speaker 2: figure you might expect when you first started listening to 154 00:08:45,481 --> 00:08:46,241 Speaker 2: this podcast. 155 00:08:47,441 --> 00:08:50,001 Speaker 3: When you work out, school is basically just a you know, 156 00:08:50,081 --> 00:08:56,321 Speaker 3: it's basically a a like a conditioning or an interview 157 00:08:56,481 --> 00:08:58,561 Speaker 3: for work. You know you've got to be there at 158 00:08:58,561 --> 00:09:01,281 Speaker 3: a certain time. You get a desk, someone gives you 159 00:09:01,281 --> 00:09:03,681 Speaker 3: a pen license. Halfway through and you think you're important, 160 00:09:03,721 --> 00:09:06,281 Speaker 3: you know what, You get to work and you're like, oh, 161 00:09:06,361 --> 00:09:09,721 Speaker 3: it's just the same shit. Like so it's pretty yeah. 162 00:09:10,001 --> 00:09:12,801 Speaker 3: I mean once you work that out, if you're aware 163 00:09:12,921 --> 00:09:14,921 Speaker 3: enough to work that out as a young kid, how 164 00:09:14,961 --> 00:09:17,361 Speaker 3: can you really get mind? I mean, but that's just 165 00:09:17,361 --> 00:09:17,921 Speaker 3: my opinion. 166 00:09:18,001 --> 00:09:21,081 Speaker 2: As we're preparing for this interview, we went backwards and 167 00:09:21,081 --> 00:09:24,641 Speaker 2: forwards with texts, and those texts continue to this day, 168 00:09:25,281 --> 00:09:28,481 Speaker 2: little texts that helped build a character of who Dan is. 169 00:09:29,281 --> 00:09:31,521 Speaker 2: In some of the texts I've had with Dan, he 170 00:09:31,601 --> 00:09:36,561 Speaker 2: seems pretty and the establishment. He's got a distaste for banks, obviously, 171 00:09:37,161 --> 00:09:39,241 Speaker 2: and I think in my chats with him, he's not 172 00:09:39,281 --> 00:09:42,361 Speaker 2: happy when big corporations stick it to what he terms 173 00:09:42,681 --> 00:09:44,121 Speaker 2: the little people. It wasn't all what. 174 00:09:44,921 --> 00:09:48,521 Speaker 3: It wasn't always at the end for me personally, it 175 00:09:48,601 --> 00:09:53,761 Speaker 3: wasn't even personal experience. I dated a paramedic. She said 176 00:09:53,761 --> 00:09:55,961 Speaker 3: to me one night because she's doing the night shift 177 00:09:55,961 --> 00:09:59,761 Speaker 3: and she set off, you know, full moon tonight and 178 00:09:59,801 --> 00:10:03,641 Speaker 3: it's and it's the footy finals. I'm like, yeah, okay, 179 00:10:03,641 --> 00:10:06,441 Speaker 3: the full moon people, gup, it's bare, but what about 180 00:10:06,441 --> 00:10:09,441 Speaker 3: the footy finals? She's like, oh, always more domestics. What 181 00:10:09,441 --> 00:10:12,361 Speaker 3: are you talking about? She's like, yeah, like fifty percent 182 00:10:12,481 --> 00:10:16,041 Speaker 3: more call outs for domestics when the foot is on. 183 00:10:16,561 --> 00:10:20,441 Speaker 3: I'm like, like, that's something I've always got behind as 184 00:10:20,481 --> 00:10:24,281 Speaker 3: a kid. I'm not saying you should watch football. I'm 185 00:10:24,321 --> 00:10:26,121 Speaker 3: just saying that, how can you get behind it as 186 00:10:26,161 --> 00:10:29,041 Speaker 3: a like, you know, every time I watch footy now 187 00:10:29,041 --> 00:10:31,921 Speaker 3: I think about that. Yeah, and that doesn't come from 188 00:10:31,961 --> 00:10:35,281 Speaker 3: anywhere except just the horse's mouth, you know, like you know, 189 00:10:35,521 --> 00:10:37,801 Speaker 3: it was just a passing comment. But I was like, oh, 190 00:10:38,121 --> 00:10:38,841 Speaker 3: that's crazy. 191 00:10:39,121 --> 00:10:41,681 Speaker 2: I was pretty confused by this story from Dan. I 192 00:10:41,681 --> 00:10:44,241 Speaker 2: think what Dan was trying to say was don't believe 193 00:10:44,241 --> 00:10:47,081 Speaker 2: everything you hear. What I did get out of Dan's 194 00:10:47,121 --> 00:10:50,161 Speaker 2: paramedic story is that he's a pretty deep thinker. 195 00:10:50,761 --> 00:10:53,361 Speaker 3: Oh I don't know about that, Like like I wouldn't, 196 00:10:53,441 --> 00:10:55,121 Speaker 3: you know, Like it depends, Like if you put me 197 00:10:55,161 --> 00:10:57,161 Speaker 3: in a think bubble at Google, they probably you know, 198 00:10:57,241 --> 00:10:59,681 Speaker 3: say who's the guy. But you know, like, I think 199 00:10:59,801 --> 00:11:02,201 Speaker 3: I've got a certain amount of street smarts. I think 200 00:11:03,321 --> 00:11:04,961 Speaker 3: I got a job at the casino when I was 201 00:11:06,001 --> 00:11:08,441 Speaker 3: and one of the first things I saw at the 202 00:11:08,441 --> 00:11:11,881 Speaker 3: casino was this lady was playing the poke kids old 203 00:11:11,921 --> 00:11:12,641 Speaker 3: Italian woman. 204 00:11:12,961 --> 00:11:13,361 Speaker 5: She was. 205 00:11:14,801 --> 00:11:17,441 Speaker 3: Like distressed. You could see she had a problem, Like 206 00:11:17,521 --> 00:11:19,321 Speaker 3: she was like, you know, she was a bit twitchy, 207 00:11:19,401 --> 00:11:21,441 Speaker 3: and she was just like you could see I was 208 00:11:21,521 --> 00:11:23,721 Speaker 3: only working in a restaurant like across the way. 209 00:11:24,361 --> 00:11:28,961 Speaker 1: She dropped out on the poke machine, like her skull 210 00:11:29,321 --> 00:11:32,921 Speaker 1: hit the machine like with this force of like a brick, 211 00:11:33,601 --> 00:11:37,001 Speaker 1: and she fell to the floor and she was dead right, 212 00:11:37,841 --> 00:11:39,801 Speaker 1: And as an eighteen year old was seeing that, I 213 00:11:39,921 --> 00:11:44,801 Speaker 1: was like, once she was on the ground, everyone. 214 00:11:44,681 --> 00:11:48,881 Speaker 3: Of course, you know, suitably freaked out around it. Then 215 00:11:48,881 --> 00:11:52,681 Speaker 3: they called the security and the paramedics and so everyone 216 00:11:52,721 --> 00:11:56,401 Speaker 3: came and then they were working on it. Then they 217 00:11:56,441 --> 00:11:59,481 Speaker 3: put up a screen, right, you know when you go 218 00:11:59,521 --> 00:12:03,081 Speaker 3: to the races and they put up a screen when 219 00:12:03,121 --> 00:12:06,601 Speaker 3: a horse does its leg and has to be put down. Right, 220 00:12:07,281 --> 00:12:09,961 Speaker 3: They did that in the casino for the woman, right, 221 00:12:10,521 --> 00:12:15,641 Speaker 3: put her on the stretcher and then wheeled her out 222 00:12:16,281 --> 00:12:19,161 Speaker 3: like all in the space of you know, fifteen minutes, 223 00:12:20,001 --> 00:12:24,241 Speaker 3: forty five minutes later, there was the screen had been cleaned. 224 00:12:24,881 --> 00:12:27,761 Speaker 3: Someone else was playing the pogriage, you know what I mean. 225 00:12:28,161 --> 00:12:31,401 Speaker 3: I was like, what's going on here? 226 00:12:33,801 --> 00:12:37,241 Speaker 2: So Dan was a normal Aussie knock about kid, pretty 227 00:12:37,241 --> 00:12:40,561 Speaker 2: standard family with his mom and his dad, who were 228 00:12:40,601 --> 00:12:41,801 Speaker 2: both pretty straight laced. 229 00:12:42,761 --> 00:12:47,841 Speaker 3: So my dad was in TV and the media. He 230 00:12:47,881 --> 00:12:51,361 Speaker 3: taught me about the media at the very very young age. 231 00:12:52,121 --> 00:12:54,481 Speaker 3: Never let the truth get in front of a good story. 232 00:12:54,761 --> 00:12:57,961 Speaker 3: My mom was a childcare worker. Yeah, so dad used 233 00:12:57,961 --> 00:13:01,241 Speaker 3: to read the news on Channel ten when it was 234 00:13:01,281 --> 00:13:02,681 Speaker 3: called Channel Zeros. 235 00:13:02,641 --> 00:13:06,761 Speaker 5: Topless or drama followeens in Street. Then at age thirty, 236 00:13:06,841 --> 00:13:09,961 Speaker 5: there's ghostly laughs when Peter O'Toole, Daryl Hanna and Steve 237 00:13:10,001 --> 00:13:17,241 Speaker 5: Gutenberg Starr in ten's premiere Wednesday movie High Spirits. 238 00:13:17,521 --> 00:13:20,721 Speaker 3: I just remember it was sort of it was one 239 00:13:20,801 --> 00:13:22,921 Speaker 3: night I was magic. You know. It was kind of 240 00:13:23,081 --> 00:13:25,121 Speaker 3: like a magical thing because he was in the room 241 00:13:25,161 --> 00:13:28,441 Speaker 3: next to us, but the news was on, you know, 242 00:13:28,601 --> 00:13:31,121 Speaker 3: like because he'd done all the news breaks or whatever. 243 00:13:31,561 --> 00:13:34,201 Speaker 3: When you close to your dad, Yeah, it was yeah, yeah, 244 00:13:34,321 --> 00:13:34,801 Speaker 3: very close. 245 00:13:36,081 --> 00:13:36,281 Speaker 2: Yeah. 246 00:13:36,321 --> 00:13:38,001 Speaker 3: We used to Yeah, we just go to footy all 247 00:13:38,001 --> 00:13:40,201 Speaker 3: the time, used to play play golf a bit. You know. 248 00:13:40,241 --> 00:13:42,001 Speaker 3: My dad used to say all the time, you say, 249 00:13:42,041 --> 00:13:44,561 Speaker 3: just go with the fly, just you know, don't worry 250 00:13:44,601 --> 00:13:47,241 Speaker 3: too much, like, you know, if something's going to happen, 251 00:13:47,361 --> 00:13:50,321 Speaker 3: it will invariably happen. You just got to be you know, 252 00:13:50,441 --> 00:13:52,561 Speaker 3: positive and move forward with it. At the end of 253 00:13:52,561 --> 00:13:54,401 Speaker 3: the day, it doesn't matter if you've got, you know, 254 00:13:55,041 --> 00:13:57,481 Speaker 3: ten thousand dollars or ten million dollars, it doesn't matter 255 00:13:57,681 --> 00:14:01,001 Speaker 3: like it, it doesn't change you as as a person. 256 00:14:01,361 --> 00:14:03,801 Speaker 3: And that's probably what you know he instilled in me 257 00:14:03,921 --> 00:14:04,601 Speaker 3: pretty early on. 258 00:14:05,121 --> 00:14:07,401 Speaker 2: Did you learn that lesson? Throughout this The way that. 259 00:14:07,361 --> 00:14:10,481 Speaker 3: People change is insane, Like around money. I couldn't even 260 00:14:10,481 --> 00:14:12,441 Speaker 3: begin to tell you how much. Like I could tell 261 00:14:12,441 --> 00:14:15,281 Speaker 3: you a few stories about how people change, but yeah, 262 00:14:15,441 --> 00:14:17,401 Speaker 3: like it's like a complete one. 263 00:14:17,441 --> 00:14:20,401 Speaker 2: Ad no trouble with the law, And although Dan wasn't 264 00:14:20,441 --> 00:14:23,801 Speaker 2: going to become a banker or a lawyer, he wasn't dumb, 265 00:14:24,361 --> 00:14:29,001 Speaker 2: but his interests laid more in sport. Before the glitch, 266 00:14:29,601 --> 00:14:33,201 Speaker 2: Dan had only broken the law once and was never caught. 267 00:14:34,081 --> 00:14:36,721 Speaker 2: In reality, it's it's actually likely that most of us 268 00:14:36,721 --> 00:14:38,321 Speaker 2: have done something similar. 269 00:14:39,521 --> 00:14:43,921 Speaker 3: Prior to this is I've done probably two things wrong 270 00:14:44,401 --> 00:14:47,241 Speaker 3: that I was never I was never caught for first one, 271 00:14:47,561 --> 00:14:51,241 Speaker 3: I think I was five. I remember Mum saying, oh, 272 00:14:51,241 --> 00:14:56,001 Speaker 3: there's there's beautiful bedspreads at wherever the shop was. And 273 00:14:56,041 --> 00:14:57,521 Speaker 3: now we went to the shop and she said, I 274 00:14:57,561 --> 00:14:59,961 Speaker 3: can't afford it this week, but I'll you know, we'll 275 00:14:59,961 --> 00:15:01,841 Speaker 3: get we'll get it soon. I looked at the beds person. 276 00:15:01,881 --> 00:15:03,721 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, they're there, Why don't you just 277 00:15:03,761 --> 00:15:06,921 Speaker 3: take them out? So well, I waited for him to 278 00:15:06,921 --> 00:15:09,481 Speaker 3: walk off, and then I just grabbed him. I was like, oh, 279 00:15:09,521 --> 00:15:12,041 Speaker 3: I was just you know, and you know, halfway down 280 00:15:12,081 --> 00:15:13,801 Speaker 3: the street, I'm like, oh, I've got those bedspreads. Man. 281 00:15:14,361 --> 00:15:15,881 Speaker 3: She's like, what are you doing? 282 00:15:15,921 --> 00:15:16,921 Speaker 2: You know, take it back. 283 00:15:17,241 --> 00:15:19,361 Speaker 3: You know, my mum's never done anything wrong in our. 284 00:15:19,361 --> 00:15:23,321 Speaker 2: Life, unlike Dan's atm card Glitch. We never really heard 285 00:15:23,361 --> 00:15:26,601 Speaker 2: about the great bedspread robbery of the eighties on a 286 00:15:26,641 --> 00:15:30,241 Speaker 2: current affair. So let's put that down to a misdemeanor 287 00:15:30,361 --> 00:15:33,161 Speaker 2: of a young kid at five trying to do the 288 00:15:33,241 --> 00:15:36,001 Speaker 2: right thing by his mum. And how was she when 289 00:15:36,041 --> 00:15:37,921 Speaker 2: she found out about all of this? 290 00:15:38,881 --> 00:15:42,601 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, she just said. What did she say? She 291 00:15:42,641 --> 00:15:45,721 Speaker 3: said something like, well, you're going to have to lie 292 00:15:45,761 --> 00:15:48,201 Speaker 3: in it now, aren't you. You know, you've done the 293 00:15:48,241 --> 00:15:50,801 Speaker 3: wrong thing and now you know, and I'm like, yeah, 294 00:15:50,841 --> 00:15:53,481 Speaker 3: well I guess. So she said, oh, you're probably going 295 00:15:53,521 --> 00:15:56,321 Speaker 3: to go to jail and I'm like, yeah, I probably will, 296 00:15:57,121 --> 00:16:00,441 Speaker 3: and at least you know where I am. She gives 297 00:16:00,521 --> 00:16:02,401 Speaker 3: that's true. 298 00:16:03,721 --> 00:16:07,241 Speaker 2: There was another time when police came knocking, this time 299 00:16:07,641 --> 00:16:08,841 Speaker 2: for something more serious. 300 00:16:09,601 --> 00:16:12,361 Speaker 3: Look, the only time I talked with the police officer 301 00:16:12,481 --> 00:16:15,041 Speaker 3: was when they told me my father had passed away. 302 00:16:17,161 --> 00:16:20,561 Speaker 3: Just got home from school and you're knock at the door. 303 00:16:20,841 --> 00:16:22,801 Speaker 3: Pretty weird because mum and dad is still at work 304 00:16:23,201 --> 00:16:25,921 Speaker 3: and two cops at the front door, and I'm like 305 00:16:27,081 --> 00:16:28,921 Speaker 3: always in my head's going, oh, you didn't do anything wrong, 306 00:16:29,001 --> 00:16:31,401 Speaker 3: Just answer, it's all right. So yeah, I answered the 307 00:16:31,481 --> 00:16:35,161 Speaker 3: door and yeah, they said, you know, is John Waters 308 00:16:35,201 --> 00:16:39,001 Speaker 3: live here? And I said, oh, yeah he does. And 309 00:16:39,041 --> 00:16:41,321 Speaker 3: I said do you need to come in? And they're like, yeah, 310 00:16:41,721 --> 00:16:44,401 Speaker 3: probably better and they just yeah, they told me that 311 00:16:44,881 --> 00:16:48,521 Speaker 3: he had a heart attack and he was yeah, he 312 00:16:48,561 --> 00:16:52,561 Speaker 3: was sort of dead before he hit the ground, and yeah, 313 00:16:52,961 --> 00:16:56,361 Speaker 3: just started walking down the street. So yeah, it was 314 00:16:56,361 --> 00:17:00,761 Speaker 3: fifty two. Mum used to work not too far away, 315 00:17:01,081 --> 00:17:05,281 Speaker 3: So yeah, I went in the car and yeah, time 316 00:17:05,321 --> 00:17:09,121 Speaker 3: of Conker went to the scene, and yeah, I saw 317 00:17:09,201 --> 00:17:12,721 Speaker 3: he used to wear these Iran Williams boots. I saw 318 00:17:12,761 --> 00:17:15,521 Speaker 3: them sort of poking out the bottom of the white sheet, and. 319 00:17:16,321 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, John's death affected the family. They packed up the 320 00:17:21,761 --> 00:17:25,001 Speaker 2: family home in Melbourne and moved to the Sunshine Coast 321 00:17:25,041 --> 00:17:29,481 Speaker 2: in Queensland to a place called Kawana Waters in twenty 322 00:17:29,561 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 2: twenty two. Kawana Waters is a really affluent place with 323 00:17:33,561 --> 00:17:38,001 Speaker 2: big houses on the canals and luxurious lifestyles for those 324 00:17:38,041 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 2: that live there. But back when Dan moved there with 325 00:17:41,481 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: his family, it was a little different, like. 326 00:17:44,681 --> 00:17:47,281 Speaker 3: Very it's a different life up there, like you if 327 00:17:47,321 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: you grabub in Melbourne or Sydney, very different life on 328 00:17:50,201 --> 00:17:52,481 Speaker 3: the Sunshine Coast, like you know, right near the beach. 329 00:17:53,521 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 3: Not really many people pushing too hard up there, you know, 330 00:17:57,321 --> 00:18:01,521 Speaker 3: Like as a kid in Melbourne or Sydney, you're really 331 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 3: told that, you know, if you don't get your education, 332 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,041 Speaker 3: like you're going to be in a big pool and 333 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:10,401 Speaker 3: you're not going to know what to do. So there's 334 00:18:10,441 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: that big fear factor in regards to that. But on 335 00:18:14,481 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 3: the Sunshine Coast, it was there was I remember that 336 00:18:17,801 --> 00:18:20,961 Speaker 3: was newer states and stuff, and all the kids were 337 00:18:21,041 --> 00:18:24,961 Speaker 3: just to organize a party and just infiltrated big park 338 00:18:25,001 --> 00:18:27,640 Speaker 3: on the new estate and just it'd be full, like 339 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 3: it'd be cop centered up they'd be like nine hundred 340 00:18:29,761 --> 00:18:33,281 Speaker 3: kids in this park sipping from goomsacks like it just 341 00:18:33,681 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: good time, good time. That was a loose time. That 342 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,681 Speaker 3: was probably looser than the ATM time. That was loose. Yeah, 343 00:18:40,801 --> 00:18:41,521 Speaker 3: like kids can. 344 00:18:41,481 --> 00:18:44,161 Speaker 2: Die the looser than the ATM time. 345 00:18:44,721 --> 00:18:45,321 Speaker 3: Pretty loose. 346 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: I know there's lots of detail about Dan as a 347 00:18:49,001 --> 00:18:51,401 Speaker 2: kid in the start of this podcast, but I think 348 00:18:51,441 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 2: it's important to show what sort of bloke he was. 349 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: He wasn't some sort of criminal mastermind. He was just 350 00:18:57,761 --> 00:19:01,680 Speaker 2: a normal kid doing normal stuff. He was lucky to 351 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 2: escape the Sunshine Coast with no issues. He moved back 352 00:19:05,521 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: to Melbourne. He got a job at Nando's and then 353 00:19:08,961 --> 00:19:12,801 Speaker 2: some other random hospitality jobs before he got a job 354 00:19:12,961 --> 00:19:14,521 Speaker 2: at Melbourne's Crown Casino. 355 00:19:14,721 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 3: And so the casino is the most beautiful way to 356 00:19:17,761 --> 00:19:21,561 Speaker 3: cut yourself off socially from everyone who really cares about you. 357 00:19:21,681 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 3: So you do a twenty four hour rotating roster with 358 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:30,481 Speaker 3: eight thousand other like minded people and good experience for 359 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:35,161 Speaker 3: terms of hospitality skills and things like that. I started 360 00:19:35,201 --> 00:19:41,041 Speaker 3: in food and beverage. So yeah, a very very loose environment. 361 00:19:41,281 --> 00:19:45,681 Speaker 3: Like you know, it looks very official and it's probably 362 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,601 Speaker 3: toned down a bit now, but you know we used 363 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 3: to have missed that. Bosses it just go off, you know, 364 00:19:53,961 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 3: after work and go straight back onto the game before 365 00:19:56,921 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 3: and start playing blackjack. 366 00:19:58,201 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 2: You know. 367 00:19:59,001 --> 00:20:00,641 Speaker 3: The first thing I said to you is that you're 368 00:20:00,681 --> 00:20:02,801 Speaker 3: not allowed a game, but plenty of people get. 369 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,761 Speaker 2: You would have seen some big money go through that. 370 00:20:05,321 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 3: Yeah. I saw David Hasselhoff once with a big Macca's 371 00:20:08,241 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 3: bag for cash. Loved it. I thought, that's great. I 372 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 3: want to do that one day. But I loved it, 373 00:20:13,761 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 3: like I was like, oh, David Hasselhoff just just cruising. 374 00:20:16,721 --> 00:20:19,521 Speaker 3: It was just cruising around the casino, flought, just playing 375 00:20:19,561 --> 00:20:23,241 Speaker 3: blackjack with this max bag for a cash, beautiful. 376 00:20:23,201 --> 00:20:26,321 Speaker 2: A Macca's bag. Yeah, yeah, you're David Hasselhoff. 377 00:20:27,041 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 3: But back then, now I reckon it would be something nice. 378 00:20:30,241 --> 00:20:33,521 Speaker 3: He means whatever, But now I don't know. I think 379 00:20:33,561 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 3: back then he was still he was still amazed that 380 00:20:38,201 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 3: he was famous. He was like, he was like, yeah, okay, 381 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:48,041 Speaker 3: I'm going to I'm loving this, you know. Very it 382 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,201 Speaker 3: was a very loose time. We see it. Every night 383 00:20:50,441 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 3: we'd finish work eleven o'clock twelve o'clock and we'd go 384 00:20:53,961 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 3: out to five am and then we do it. You know, 385 00:20:57,041 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 3: we used to wear it like a like a badge 386 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 3: of honor. You know, it was like the stamp for Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. 387 00:21:05,921 --> 00:21:09,001 Speaker 2: How loose is loose? Just like I think when you're 388 00:21:09,001 --> 00:21:10,441 Speaker 2: without incriminating yourself. 389 00:21:10,561 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean when you just when it's just a 390 00:21:13,681 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: bit of a party, like you don't know what's going 391 00:21:16,321 --> 00:21:20,001 Speaker 3: to happen. It's just you know, you're not being overtly 392 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 3: dangerous in any way, but it's just like you know, 393 00:21:23,281 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: we're going to go and get a bit loose, like 394 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: we're just not you know, we could end up in 395 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 3: you know, you'd wake up in you know, hider work, 396 00:21:30,961 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 3: you know, like another suburb in Melbourne and go how 397 00:21:33,281 --> 00:21:35,641 Speaker 3: the hell did out get here? Like what happened last night? 398 00:21:35,761 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 2: You know. 399 00:21:36,481 --> 00:21:38,201 Speaker 3: I remember we used to walk around the gaming floor 400 00:21:38,201 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 3: a crown with like bourbon and coax in like pint glasses. 401 00:21:42,801 --> 00:21:43,160 Speaker 2: Drugs. 402 00:21:44,041 --> 00:21:46,961 Speaker 3: It wasn't really my thing, but but yeah, like it 403 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,041 Speaker 3: was definitely definitely but less less so more more just 404 00:21:51,281 --> 00:21:51,721 Speaker 3: sort of. 405 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:55,241 Speaker 2: And so back in those days, without trying to call 406 00:21:55,281 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 2: it too early, I think, you know, cocaine wasn't a 407 00:21:57,681 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 2: massive thing. Right, it was probably pills and weed. 408 00:22:00,721 --> 00:22:02,961 Speaker 3: But also I mean we didn't you know, I didn't 409 00:22:02,961 --> 00:22:05,761 Speaker 3: really have the bankroll for that kind of stuff. You know, 410 00:22:05,921 --> 00:22:08,561 Speaker 3: like that that kind of thing is you know, it's 411 00:22:08,681 --> 00:22:11,441 Speaker 3: very Yeah, it can be very costly if you're doing 412 00:22:11,481 --> 00:22:15,121 Speaker 3: it over and over again, but mostly just high on life. 413 00:22:15,321 --> 00:22:17,561 Speaker 3: You know, it's a good time. It's just you know, 414 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:22,160 Speaker 3: it's having having fun connecting with people. It's not about 415 00:22:22,360 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 3: you know, to be to be friends with someone and 416 00:22:24,801 --> 00:22:27,721 Speaker 3: not be friends because you know they drive the right 417 00:22:27,761 --> 00:22:30,041 Speaker 3: car or they do this or do that. You know, 418 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,041 Speaker 3: like it's just we're just you know, a couple of 419 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 3: lads just having a bit of fun. It's great. I 420 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:38,761 Speaker 3: had a boss at the casino and he said, I'm 421 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 3: running a nightclub, now, why don't you come across. I 422 00:22:42,281 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 3: was like, yeah, okay, all right. Crowns pretty much we got. 423 00:22:46,801 --> 00:22:50,561 Speaker 3: We got caught at Crown swimming in the hotel pool. 424 00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 3: Apparently that's like if you work there, So we got yeah, 425 00:22:55,921 --> 00:22:58,321 Speaker 3: sort of they wanted to get rid of us, but 426 00:22:58,521 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 3: someone saved us and we just got a written morning. 427 00:23:01,761 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 3: And because whilst we used to get pissed and stuff, 428 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 3: we're actually quite good at our jobs, so he asked 429 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: me to come across. It was placed called Watermark Bar, 430 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:16,121 Speaker 3: which is incidentally on the bottom of the NAB headquarters 431 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,441 Speaker 3: in Docklands in Melbourne. 432 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: The Watermark Docklands is a stylish event and function space, 433 00:23:22,441 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 2: or at least that's what their website says. In the 434 00:23:25,001 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 2: heart of the Docklands, it's a cool looking venue for 435 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: TVs above the bar that would show the latst footage 436 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,481 Speaker 2: game or film clip and it would become a regular 437 00:23:35,521 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 2: haunt for Dan and the Crown mates, both before the 438 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:48,321 Speaker 2: glitch and after. Dan met lots of his mates at 439 00:23:48,321 --> 00:23:52,001 Speaker 2: Crown and also met a girl. Her name was Bell, 440 00:23:52,561 --> 00:23:54,761 Speaker 2: and pretty early on it was serious. 441 00:23:56,481 --> 00:23:58,521 Speaker 3: She actually worked at the casino when I worked there, 442 00:23:58,561 --> 00:24:00,561 Speaker 3: but we never met. We had a great connection and 443 00:24:01,001 --> 00:24:01,921 Speaker 3: it's very funny. 444 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, she was great, so serious they planned on getting married. 445 00:24:06,721 --> 00:24:09,561 Speaker 2: They did what any planning on getting married couple does. 446 00:24:10,041 --> 00:24:13,761 Speaker 2: They started a joint bank account and moved closer to family. 447 00:24:14,481 --> 00:24:16,801 Speaker 2: Bell was studying to be a teacher, so she went 448 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: to live with a family in a tiny Victorian town 449 00:24:20,001 --> 00:24:23,761 Speaker 2: of glen Rowan. Bell was also religious and so were 450 00:24:23,761 --> 00:24:27,041 Speaker 2: a family, so Dan moved close by to work in 451 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:30,921 Speaker 2: the town of Wangaratta, while Belle lived with her folks 452 00:24:31,281 --> 00:24:34,521 Speaker 2: in glen Rowan, which is about fifteen minutes up the road. 453 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:39,801 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was sort of getting homesick and so she 454 00:24:39,921 --> 00:24:42,801 Speaker 3: decided that she was going to move back home, and 455 00:24:43,761 --> 00:24:46,961 Speaker 3: I sort of, yeah, I followed. 456 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 2: Because how often would you see each other like you 457 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,561 Speaker 2: living in wang Yeah, we. 458 00:24:50,521 --> 00:24:54,481 Speaker 3: Didn't see each other heaps. Okay that because of that, 459 00:24:54,801 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 3: And yeah, she had quite a religious family, so we 460 00:24:58,761 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 3: can have sleep over her place or anything like that. 461 00:25:01,561 --> 00:25:03,281 Speaker 3: So it was a bit. Yeah, it was a bit different, 462 00:25:03,321 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 3: but we'd already lived together before, all right, it wasn't 463 00:25:06,360 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 3: like there wasn't that thing. Well, we knew what it 464 00:25:08,721 --> 00:25:10,481 Speaker 3: was going to be like, but it was only going 465 00:25:10,481 --> 00:25:11,561 Speaker 3: to be like that for so long. 466 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,120 Speaker 2: And then talk to me about your mates in Wangaratta 467 00:25:14,321 --> 00:25:16,241 Speaker 2: at that stage, Yeah, well. 468 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 3: I was good friends with their brother. The only other 469 00:25:19,321 --> 00:25:21,881 Speaker 3: people I met was at work because I didn't Yeah, 470 00:25:21,961 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 3: I didn't know anyone else where were you working? I 471 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 3: was working at a place called the West Side Tavern. 472 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 3: I had a job earlier than that in a place 473 00:25:30,921 --> 00:25:33,961 Speaker 3: called Beachworth, a place called the Green Shed, and that's 474 00:25:33,961 --> 00:25:37,001 Speaker 3: where I met my chef friend. His name was Mark, 475 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,001 Speaker 3: but it was a bit far to a beachway. So 476 00:25:40,001 --> 00:25:44,481 Speaker 3: when the job came up in Wangaratda, it's funny town 477 00:25:44,561 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 3: because not a lot of hospitality, not a lot of 478 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,001 Speaker 3: full time gigs. 479 00:25:49,241 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 2: West Side Tavern. What is it that it look like? 480 00:25:51,241 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: I think that from all reports, I've tried to judge 481 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:58,201 Speaker 3: it up a bit. Yeah, back in the day, very plain, 482 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 3: like it almost looked like, you know, one of those 483 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:04,561 Speaker 3: display homes that you go to a village and there's 484 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:08,761 Speaker 3: a display home with the red brick kind of like that. Yeah, 485 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: like clean and nice, but very you know, like like 486 00:26:13,521 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 3: they put it up in the middle of nowhere. But 487 00:26:15,441 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 3: it was solid. It had solid foundations and a good yeah, good, 488 00:26:19,561 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 3: good drinking crew. There was hardly any trouble there, Like, 489 00:26:22,761 --> 00:26:24,521 Speaker 3: it wasn't that kind of place. It was like you 490 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:27,001 Speaker 3: knew if you went there. It was just very It 491 00:26:27,041 --> 00:26:31,440 Speaker 3: was very basic, comfortable style. It wasn't you know, no 492 00:26:31,561 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 3: one was too loud there or anything like that. It wasn't. 493 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,001 Speaker 3: It was a nice, respectable in I thought. 494 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,921 Speaker 2: I'd call the West Side Tavern and see if Dan 495 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,801 Speaker 2: was a bit of a local legend at the pub. 496 00:26:43,281 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 2: After all, this story has been around for a while. 497 00:26:46,681 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 2: Their Facebook page looks like it's had a bit of 498 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,521 Speaker 2: an update. It's got five hundred followers. When I called 499 00:26:52,521 --> 00:26:56,241 Speaker 2: them on a Wednesday, AVO, the pub was in full swing. 500 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 2: There were seven people there, a few having a punt 501 00:27:00,441 --> 00:27:04,120 Speaker 2: and the rest just regulars, probably having there after work FB. 502 00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:07,041 Speaker 3: Yeah, regularly, you know people who come in and you 503 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 3: know a few horse trainers from the local track. There 504 00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:12,441 Speaker 3: was a few characters there. It was a nice place. 505 00:27:12,481 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 3: It wasn't It wasn't a place where I sort of felt, 506 00:27:15,001 --> 00:27:17,321 Speaker 3: you know, I've worked places before where I've been like, 507 00:27:17,681 --> 00:27:19,321 Speaker 3: you know, you've got to be on your guard here 508 00:27:19,360 --> 00:27:21,641 Speaker 3: because like someone might glass you. Like it's a bit 509 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 3: of a ship joint. It was nice energy there, you know, 510 00:27:24,761 --> 00:27:27,361 Speaker 3: not in the terms of like you know, obviously everyone's 511 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,880 Speaker 3: drinking away their problems. That's what you know, that's what 512 00:27:29,961 --> 00:27:34,761 Speaker 3: a pubby is basically. But yeah, I mean in terms 513 00:27:34,761 --> 00:27:37,880 Speaker 3: of like everyone was reasonably civil. You know, like the 514 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 3: Garbo would get there at ten am, and he'd be 515 00:27:41,241 --> 00:27:43,400 Speaker 3: there at ten am every day, you know, for his 516 00:27:43,521 --> 00:27:45,961 Speaker 3: two and then he'd head off and then you know, 517 00:27:46,360 --> 00:27:50,281 Speaker 3: Jeff from the factory to heat in get It's like 518 00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:54,441 Speaker 3: the same day. But you know, yeah, I just see 519 00:27:54,481 --> 00:27:58,001 Speaker 3: the new which bit yeah which bitch. Oh you know, 520 00:27:58,120 --> 00:28:00,281 Speaker 3: it's just well it's not how it used to be. 521 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 3: Another another, another cart and dryer. Ye perfect, great, you 522 00:28:05,681 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 3: know that kind of stuff. And yeah, you know, just 523 00:28:09,561 --> 00:28:13,441 Speaker 3: humble people going about their business and very very non 524 00:28:13,481 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 3: script very you know, the type of plays. If a 525 00:28:17,041 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 3: if a female walks in and she's a you know, 526 00:28:20,321 --> 00:28:24,521 Speaker 3: she's she's easy on the eye, the fucking world stops. 527 00:28:24,921 --> 00:28:29,801 Speaker 3: Everyone goes ship, what is happening here? Yeah, that kind 528 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:30,161 Speaker 3: of true. 529 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,801 Speaker 2: And there was one other feature of that particular pub 530 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: or in as you like to call it, that became 531 00:28:36,241 --> 00:28:37,161 Speaker 2: a bit of a downfall. 532 00:28:37,721 --> 00:28:39,761 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, the tap. 533 00:28:39,681 --> 00:28:42,921 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, that's yeah. So this is where you can 534 00:28:43,401 --> 00:28:46,041 Speaker 2: punt on pretty much anything you like. Yeah, back in 535 00:28:46,081 --> 00:28:48,641 Speaker 2: the day, horses, dogs, whatever. 536 00:28:48,801 --> 00:28:51,001 Speaker 3: Yeah, while you can drinking. 537 00:28:51,601 --> 00:29:06,121 Speaker 2: That was a beautiful line or face the first Okay, 538 00:29:06,521 --> 00:29:09,681 Speaker 2: enough of the backstory, let's get into the night. Dan 539 00:29:09,801 --> 00:29:13,801 Speaker 2: found out that he had a magic ATM card that 540 00:29:13,921 --> 00:29:17,641 Speaker 2: could give him endless amounts of cash and let him 541 00:29:17,721 --> 00:29:21,761 Speaker 2: live the life of a rock star, a life like 542 00:29:21,881 --> 00:29:24,681 Speaker 2: that time he saw the hof walking through the Crown 543 00:29:24,761 --> 00:29:30,561 Speaker 2: Casino with a Maca's bag full of cash allegedly. So 544 00:29:30,641 --> 00:29:34,201 Speaker 2: let's talk about that night. You're at the pub, you're working. 545 00:29:35,081 --> 00:29:39,481 Speaker 3: Yeah, west sides having pulling beers, and it was. 546 00:29:39,441 --> 00:29:42,001 Speaker 2: Like it's like a Tuesday night so on, so middle 547 00:29:42,001 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 2: of the week night. 548 00:29:42,561 --> 00:29:48,241 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very very subdued, not much activity at all. Yeah, 549 00:29:48,281 --> 00:29:50,601 Speaker 3: a few people just sort of finishing up their fish 550 00:29:50,601 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: and chips in the corner. 551 00:29:51,921 --> 00:29:53,761 Speaker 2: So bar shuts at nine point thirty ten. 552 00:29:54,001 --> 00:29:56,481 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it just shuts when everyone stops drinking. Really, 553 00:29:56,961 --> 00:30:01,321 Speaker 3: so then yeah, I just cashed up and went Yeah, 554 00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:06,161 Speaker 3: because I was held responsible position, I was cashed up. 555 00:30:06,241 --> 00:30:09,521 Speaker 2: Means basically, yeah, the transaction. 556 00:30:09,441 --> 00:30:14,401 Speaker 3: Saw the till, reconciled the tab and yeah, just basically 557 00:30:15,721 --> 00:30:17,561 Speaker 3: I sought everything out, put it all in the safe. 558 00:30:18,001 --> 00:30:20,641 Speaker 3: You're a pretty trustworthy guy, Yeah, well yeah, I mean 559 00:30:20,681 --> 00:30:22,681 Speaker 3: there was nothing like, there was nothing not to trust 560 00:30:22,761 --> 00:30:23,281 Speaker 3: me with it. 561 00:30:23,721 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: You know what sort of cash turns over in a 562 00:30:25,441 --> 00:30:27,081 Speaker 2: pub like that on a Tuesday night. 563 00:30:27,121 --> 00:30:28,801 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. It was like you know, like I think 564 00:30:28,841 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 3: you'd notice if you took money, because it's like, you know, 565 00:30:31,001 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 3: if you take fifty dollars out of four hundred, like 566 00:30:34,441 --> 00:30:35,401 Speaker 3: it's a fair bit, right, So. 567 00:30:35,521 --> 00:30:37,721 Speaker 2: Not turn out the hundreds of thousands of dollars or anything. 568 00:30:37,961 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 3: It's not a lot of money. I went to a 569 00:30:40,441 --> 00:30:43,200 Speaker 3: place called the Bull's Head, which is in one Garader 570 00:30:43,281 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 3: still there, you know, because as long as we were 571 00:30:45,761 --> 00:30:48,401 Speaker 3: spending money, he'd stay open. I think. I think sometimes 572 00:30:48,401 --> 00:30:50,761 Speaker 3: we stayed there till like one or two o'clock in 573 00:30:50,801 --> 00:30:54,201 Speaker 3: the morning, when he normally be closed at you know, 574 00:30:54,441 --> 00:30:58,001 Speaker 3: eleven thirty. Matt my my friend. He was a chef 575 00:30:58,001 --> 00:31:01,121 Speaker 3: at Beachworth who I'd previously worked with and had we 576 00:31:01,161 --> 00:31:05,001 Speaker 3: had a good report, brought together by the love of 577 00:31:05,201 --> 00:31:10,881 Speaker 3: the Golden Ale. Not Golden Ale, that's horrible, but yeah, 578 00:31:10,921 --> 00:31:12,561 Speaker 3: so we used to love a few beers and we'd 579 00:31:12,601 --> 00:31:16,881 Speaker 3: go go together and yeah, so I was at I 580 00:31:16,921 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 3: was at the pub with Mark Payday Wednesday. It's payday 581 00:31:21,281 --> 00:31:24,161 Speaker 3: on Wednesdays, so it was things are a bit lan 582 00:31:25,041 --> 00:31:29,641 Speaker 3: in the old account. So Mark shouted the first few 583 00:31:30,321 --> 00:31:31,761 Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm going to go and try 584 00:31:31,761 --> 00:31:34,361 Speaker 3: and get some money out because you know, and he 585 00:31:34,441 --> 00:31:37,321 Speaker 3: was also like, you know, pay for some beers you 586 00:31:38,041 --> 00:31:42,281 Speaker 3: Mark in Yeah, fair cool, I'll head out to the ATM. 587 00:31:42,361 --> 00:31:45,361 Speaker 3: So I wasn't sure because I knew that I transferred 588 00:31:45,361 --> 00:31:46,961 Speaker 3: a little bit of money to the joint account, so 589 00:31:47,001 --> 00:31:48,921 Speaker 3: I wasn't sure how much was in there. I was 590 00:31:49,201 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 3: pretty sure it was like three dollars. It wasn't a 591 00:31:51,241 --> 00:31:53,361 Speaker 3: lot of money, but I tried to get a balance 592 00:31:53,401 --> 00:31:59,521 Speaker 3: donetheless on my savings account and it wouldn't give me one, 593 00:31:59,641 --> 00:32:03,081 Speaker 3: just said balance and albod this time. And by this 594 00:32:03,161 --> 00:32:06,401 Speaker 3: time it's probably, yeah, eleven past twelve. 595 00:32:06,761 --> 00:32:09,881 Speaker 2: On eleven minutes past twelve on that Wednesday morning. How 596 00:32:09,921 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 2: do you remember that exact detail? 597 00:32:11,761 --> 00:32:14,921 Speaker 3: It's probably pretty good, it's pretty good, But the whole 598 00:32:14,961 --> 00:32:18,641 Speaker 3: thing is like a yeah, I mean, I don't define 599 00:32:18,681 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 3: my life on this, but it's like it's definitely a 600 00:32:21,481 --> 00:32:25,721 Speaker 3: period that I was wide for sound during that time, 601 00:32:25,761 --> 00:32:28,881 Speaker 3: and I could tell you everything, like every single thing 602 00:32:29,481 --> 00:32:31,121 Speaker 3: pretty much exactly the time it happened. 603 00:32:31,641 --> 00:32:35,401 Speaker 2: This is a National Australia Bank ATM. Yeah, you banked 604 00:32:35,401 --> 00:32:36,041 Speaker 2: with the NAB. 605 00:32:36,201 --> 00:32:36,881 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 606 00:32:36,961 --> 00:32:39,041 Speaker 2: Your joint account was with the NAB too, So all 607 00:32:39,081 --> 00:32:41,721 Speaker 2: banking was through NAB. Yeah, yeah, everything. 608 00:32:41,761 --> 00:32:45,081 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, like one could say my complete 609 00:32:45,121 --> 00:32:48,801 Speaker 3: portfolio was through the National Australia Bank, all three dollars 610 00:32:48,801 --> 00:32:49,001 Speaker 3: of it. 611 00:32:49,161 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 2: Yes, and and. 612 00:32:51,761 --> 00:32:54,321 Speaker 3: And some like they make money off the debt and 613 00:32:54,321 --> 00:32:56,961 Speaker 3: and a credit card that had two thousand dollars dead 614 00:32:57,001 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 3: on it. 615 00:32:57,281 --> 00:32:59,521 Speaker 2: Okay, so you talk to me about that you've got 616 00:32:59,561 --> 00:33:02,041 Speaker 2: You've got a savings account and a credit account and 617 00:33:02,121 --> 00:33:03,121 Speaker 2: a joint account. Yeah. 618 00:33:03,481 --> 00:33:06,601 Speaker 3: Yeah, And and basically the joint account is you've got 619 00:33:06,641 --> 00:33:10,401 Speaker 3: to transfer on the internet, so internet banking. That account 620 00:33:10,481 --> 00:33:11,281 Speaker 3: was with another. 621 00:33:10,961 --> 00:33:12,721 Speaker 2: Bank, so you can't take money out of it. 622 00:33:12,761 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, like that's like you know, both got 623 00:33:15,321 --> 00:33:16,001 Speaker 3: a sign for it. 624 00:33:16,121 --> 00:33:19,081 Speaker 2: Ye. So what you've got really on you is an 625 00:33:19,081 --> 00:33:22,641 Speaker 2: ATM card as a savings account and a credit card, 626 00:33:23,521 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 2: both with a NAB linked to one another. 627 00:33:27,041 --> 00:33:31,401 Speaker 3: So you could put your card in an ATM and 628 00:33:31,721 --> 00:33:34,960 Speaker 3: you know, you could transfer between those two accounts. So 629 00:33:35,081 --> 00:33:37,121 Speaker 3: when I couldn't get a balance on my account, that's 630 00:33:37,161 --> 00:33:39,721 Speaker 3: what that's in fact what I did. So I put 631 00:33:39,801 --> 00:33:43,081 Speaker 3: the card back in and put my PIN number in 632 00:33:43,161 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 3: and then selected transfer. I was like, well, I'll just 633 00:33:47,281 --> 00:33:51,921 Speaker 3: transfer some money from my credit card to my savings account. 634 00:33:52,041 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 3: Now I thought I didn't think they'd be much in 635 00:33:54,241 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 3: the credit card, but I thought they might be two 636 00:33:56,081 --> 00:33:58,801 Speaker 3: hundred bucks in the credit card, So I transfer. I 637 00:33:58,841 --> 00:34:02,201 Speaker 3: transferred two hundred from my credit card to my savings account, 638 00:34:03,321 --> 00:34:06,561 Speaker 3: and it just said is actually canceled and spat the 639 00:34:06,601 --> 00:34:09,721 Speaker 3: card back out. So I was like, okay, that's weird, 640 00:34:10,601 --> 00:34:13,841 Speaker 3: So put the card back in, put the pin back in. Yeah. Well, 641 00:34:14,481 --> 00:34:16,841 Speaker 3: I'm a baler. I'm gonna keep going and keep trying. 642 00:34:17,881 --> 00:34:21,201 Speaker 3: So I needed to buy Marke a beer, so thought 643 00:34:21,201 --> 00:34:23,801 Speaker 3: I'll get two hundred out of the same ascount. See 644 00:34:23,801 --> 00:34:26,561 Speaker 3: if that transaction, like try to see if the transfer worked. 645 00:34:26,761 --> 00:34:29,041 Speaker 3: So anyway, the money comes out, so I'm like, oh, okay, 646 00:34:29,041 --> 00:34:31,081 Speaker 3: it must have worked. So the eighteen isn't really telling 647 00:34:31,121 --> 00:34:33,521 Speaker 3: me anything, but it's still doing sort of what I 648 00:34:33,521 --> 00:34:37,401 Speaker 3: wanted to do. And so I'd take you two hundred 649 00:34:37,441 --> 00:34:40,121 Speaker 3: dollars and just just go back to the bar and 650 00:34:41,561 --> 00:34:44,041 Speaker 3: you know, just continue having to dreat with Mark. We 651 00:34:44,081 --> 00:34:46,961 Speaker 3: could really put them on. So I've probably had probably 652 00:34:47,041 --> 00:34:51,521 Speaker 3: three points in forty minutes. So then it's probably like, yeah, 653 00:34:51,521 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 3: it's probably you know, ten two, maybe ten to one, 654 00:34:55,801 --> 00:35:00,480 Speaker 3: five to one, something like that. I'm we're leaving, say 655 00:35:00,481 --> 00:35:03,081 Speaker 3: goodbye to Mark. He goes, it starts to rain. 656 00:35:03,441 --> 00:35:05,161 Speaker 2: You still probably got one hundred and fifty bucks in 657 00:35:05,201 --> 00:35:05,601 Speaker 2: your pocket. 658 00:35:05,881 --> 00:35:09,281 Speaker 3: Yeah, probably probably one hundred and forty or something. Yeah, 659 00:35:09,521 --> 00:35:12,681 Speaker 3: you know you didn't count the jukebox Jack. Sorry, it's 660 00:35:12,721 --> 00:35:15,681 Speaker 3: in the rain. I've got to walk home, which is 661 00:35:16,881 --> 00:35:21,601 Speaker 3: maybe one one point two one point three ks, and 662 00:35:21,641 --> 00:35:25,081 Speaker 3: so I'm like, maybe I'll just stop. I'm just stopping 663 00:35:25,121 --> 00:35:28,241 Speaker 3: the l chive the ATM and I was thinking about it. 664 00:35:28,241 --> 00:35:31,001 Speaker 3: I was just thinking that was it's weird. I certainly 665 00:35:31,041 --> 00:35:35,121 Speaker 3: didn't need more money at that point, like nothing was 666 00:35:35,121 --> 00:35:38,601 Speaker 3: open and I couldn't have gone anywhere. I wasn't standing 667 00:35:38,601 --> 00:35:42,681 Speaker 3: at the front of a casino somewhere going oh, you know, 668 00:35:42,721 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 3: how am I going to get a bit of extra 669 00:35:44,081 --> 00:35:48,161 Speaker 3: coin here? So, out of pure curiosity and probably a 670 00:35:48,161 --> 00:35:52,881 Speaker 3: bit of it, I'm just gone, maybe it's probably card 671 00:35:52,881 --> 00:35:56,561 Speaker 3: back in, see what happens to you. So I put 672 00:35:56,561 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 3: it back in and I still couldn't get a balance, 673 00:35:58,561 --> 00:36:00,961 Speaker 3: and I say it the can. So I was like, 674 00:36:01,081 --> 00:36:03,801 Speaker 3: I'm going to transfer from a credit card to my 675 00:36:03,881 --> 00:36:07,681 Speaker 3: savings another two So I did that same thing at 676 00:36:07,721 --> 00:36:12,001 Speaker 3: the transaction cancer and the card came out and I 677 00:36:12,041 --> 00:36:17,201 Speaker 3: was like, okay, well, if history has anything to say 678 00:36:17,201 --> 00:36:19,761 Speaker 3: about this, we should be able to get the two 679 00:36:19,801 --> 00:36:20,921 Speaker 3: hundred out of the savings account. 680 00:36:21,641 --> 00:36:22,241 Speaker 2: So I did. 681 00:36:28,361 --> 00:36:35,481 Speaker 3: So. Then I did four hundred. 682 00:36:39,321 --> 00:36:41,721 Speaker 2: Then I did six hundred, all in the same night, 683 00:36:41,881 --> 00:36:42,161 Speaker 2: all the. 684 00:36:42,201 --> 00:36:45,801 Speaker 3: Same night, and then I did another eight hundred or 685 00:36:45,801 --> 00:36:59,361 Speaker 3: something enough to drag it up to two. Because I 686 00:36:59,401 --> 00:37:01,881 Speaker 3: had a credit card and I had a Save music card, 687 00:37:02,361 --> 00:37:04,721 Speaker 3: so I could get one thousand dollars on each card. 688 00:37:05,081 --> 00:37:07,241 Speaker 3: I could get a thousand dollars on the savings card, 689 00:37:07,361 --> 00:37:09,521 Speaker 3: and then I got a thousand on the credit card, 690 00:37:09,601 --> 00:37:11,401 Speaker 3: which was linked to the savings account. So I just 691 00:37:11,401 --> 00:37:14,641 Speaker 3: put the credit card in press savings account and get 692 00:37:14,641 --> 00:37:16,961 Speaker 3: the thousand out of there. So I had, Yeah, I 693 00:37:17,001 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 3: had about you know, nineteen forty nine and forty bucks 694 00:37:22,561 --> 00:37:28,121 Speaker 3: or something like that in my hands, and the rain stopped. 695 00:37:28,721 --> 00:37:33,281 Speaker 3: I was like, well, perfect, great started down the road 696 00:37:33,281 --> 00:37:36,241 Speaker 3: and I put the money in my wallet, and yeah, 697 00:37:36,281 --> 00:37:39,601 Speaker 3: I just went went home, went to bed, and I 698 00:37:39,641 --> 00:37:43,281 Speaker 3: remember distinctly waking up in the morning and I was like, oh, 699 00:37:43,441 --> 00:37:45,761 Speaker 3: hell of a dream. That was a weird dream. To 700 00:37:45,761 --> 00:37:49,241 Speaker 3: add all that stuff happened, and I even thought the 701 00:37:49,321 --> 00:37:51,721 Speaker 3: part the first bit was probably a dream, like with 702 00:37:51,921 --> 00:37:54,761 Speaker 3: the first two hundred. And then I went back and 703 00:37:54,761 --> 00:37:57,761 Speaker 3: then I knelt sort of looked to the side, and 704 00:37:58,401 --> 00:38:00,321 Speaker 3: on the right hand side of me it was the 705 00:38:00,521 --> 00:38:03,601 Speaker 3: bedside table and a wallet full of cash, and I 706 00:38:03,681 --> 00:38:07,561 Speaker 3: was like, wow, that really did happen. Okay. I sort 707 00:38:07,561 --> 00:38:10,561 Speaker 3: of thought, well, you know, my accounts will just be 708 00:38:10,961 --> 00:38:14,441 Speaker 3: overdrawn now and I'll owe the money to the bank 709 00:38:14,481 --> 00:38:16,401 Speaker 3: and you know that'll be it. And you know, it's 710 00:38:16,481 --> 00:38:19,281 Speaker 3: just sort of a one off. So there's a couple 711 00:38:19,321 --> 00:38:21,921 Speaker 3: of things, a couple of things you know, sort of 712 00:38:22,681 --> 00:38:25,801 Speaker 3: could deal with a bit of cash for. So I 713 00:38:25,841 --> 00:38:27,721 Speaker 3: think one was like a you know, like a new 714 00:38:27,761 --> 00:38:29,761 Speaker 3: fridge free with fridge was on the blink. 715 00:38:30,001 --> 00:38:33,001 Speaker 2: So do you tell the girlfriend that you're all cashed 716 00:38:33,081 --> 00:38:35,001 Speaker 2: up that way? 717 00:38:35,241 --> 00:38:38,561 Speaker 3: I mean I didn't feel cashed up anyway, Like I 718 00:38:38,561 --> 00:38:40,921 Speaker 3: think we went out when I went out for dinner 719 00:38:41,001 --> 00:38:44,601 Speaker 3: or something as well, and yeah, just I just did 720 00:38:44,641 --> 00:38:48,121 Speaker 3: a few sort of yeah, a few sort of you know, sort. 721 00:38:47,921 --> 00:38:52,241 Speaker 2: Of niggling things, you know, normal things, normal stuff. 722 00:38:52,761 --> 00:38:54,321 Speaker 3: And I was like, you know what, I can just 723 00:38:54,401 --> 00:38:57,881 Speaker 3: pay back that money. You know later on it'll be 724 00:38:57,961 --> 00:38:58,641 Speaker 3: it'll be fine. 725 00:38:58,841 --> 00:39:03,041 Speaker 2: So your credit card was showing that you're in debt. 726 00:39:03,401 --> 00:39:05,521 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I didn't know that yet though, Okay, Like 727 00:39:05,601 --> 00:39:08,841 Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't check the bank straight away. 728 00:39:09,081 --> 00:39:10,841 Speaker 2: Next time on the glitch. 729 00:39:12,561 --> 00:39:15,641 Speaker 3: I started standing on one leg a lot, which which 730 00:39:15,681 --> 00:39:18,801 Speaker 3: is means checking your bus. I started checking my balance 731 00:39:19,041 --> 00:39:22,281 Speaker 3: flat out, and they snowballed into this bit of a 732 00:39:22,361 --> 00:39:25,281 Speaker 3: punting and sort of trying to win the money back, 733 00:39:25,321 --> 00:39:28,001 Speaker 3: trying to win more money. I was losing. I was 734 00:39:28,041 --> 00:39:30,721 Speaker 3: losing a lot hopelessness, Like I was like, I'm going 735 00:39:30,761 --> 00:39:32,921 Speaker 3: to like, I'm going to keep digging myself a whole 736 00:39:32,961 --> 00:39:34,161 Speaker 3: here if I keep doing it. 737 00:39:34,361 --> 00:39:36,881 Speaker 4: I was punting like a madman, like I was trying 738 00:39:36,881 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 4: to win back. Oh yeah, I was down about forty 739 00:39:38,961 --> 00:39:41,121 Speaker 4: grand I was trying to win it back. But anyway, 740 00:39:41,241 --> 00:39:47,001 Speaker 4: small town things are just travels fast. So she yeah, 741 00:39:47,041 --> 00:39:49,521 Speaker 4: she sends to me your text the same pretty much 742 00:39:49,521 --> 00:39:51,681 Speaker 4: the same day, just out of the blue. I'm not 743 00:39:51,721 --> 00:39:54,801 Speaker 4: sure what you're into, but I want no part of it. 744 00:39:55,441 --> 00:39:58,601 Speaker 4: And that's it for us. 745 00:40:01,321 --> 00:40:04,081 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to this episode and supporting this story 746 00:40:04,761 --> 00:40:07,241 Speaker 2: in it's storytelling that shapes the world is what pod 747 00:40:07,321 --> 00:40:10,441 Speaker 2: Shape really cares about. Right now, there's thousands of people 748 00:40:10,481 --> 00:40:13,081 Speaker 2: listening to this show and our other true Crimes, and 749 00:40:13,081 --> 00:40:16,521 Speaker 2: they're completely engaged. More than ten million Australians listen to 750 00:40:16,561 --> 00:40:19,921 Speaker 2: podcasts each week. If you've ever thought about advertising your 751 00:40:19,961 --> 00:40:22,440 Speaker 2: business in a podcast. 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