WEBVTT - Bonus: James Pitcher's AFL Trade Predictions 

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<v Speaker 1>Guys.

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<v Speaker 2>The trade deadline is looming. Seven thirty tonight is when

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<v Speaker 2>it all done, when it shuts, which means there's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be so much negotiation, crazy runout phone calls. Players

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<v Speaker 2>don't know where they're going to end up.

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<v Speaker 3>Is this where Jerry maguire really steps in.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we've got our own Jerry mcgott, Jerry Maguire, we do.

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<v Speaker 2>James Pitcher joins us, one of the leading player agents

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<v Speaker 2>here in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>James, Hello, guys, thanks for having me along.

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<v Speaker 4>Busy twenty four hours for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm not sure if it's quite the Jerry McGuire

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<v Speaker 5>life that I first signed up for, but yeah, look,

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<v Speaker 5>it's been a busy It's been a busy ten days

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<v Speaker 5>obviously the trade period and free agency, but I think

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<v Speaker 5>what people forget it's the six months that are building

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<v Speaker 5>up to.

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<v Speaker 1>That as well.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm probably more of an advocate that we we

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<v Speaker 5>shorten the trade period to a few days just to

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<v Speaker 5>get it over and done with and knock it out.

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<v Speaker 6>But when a player wants out, how early can you

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<v Speaker 6>tell that they're like, because I imagine it's not just at

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<v Speaker 6>the end of the season.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe players in the middle of the year, they're like,

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't want to be he I.

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<v Speaker 5>Start telling Yeah, I mean, we've got an interesting code

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of the AFL that we all sort of

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<v Speaker 5>sit on our hands until the end of the unlock

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<v Speaker 5>the NRL, which obviously you know they disclose that during

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<v Speaker 5>the season. Then I'm going to go and play Cronell

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<v Speaker 5>next year. But you know, you've got my heart and

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<v Speaker 5>soul into the end of the season. We're a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit different in how we run. But I think to

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<v Speaker 5>your point, we yeah, those decisions are made sometimes at

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<v Speaker 5>the start of the year, sometimes halfway through the season

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<v Speaker 5>as well. I mean we've obviously seen a recent example

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<v Speaker 5>which you know, I don't know all the ins and out,

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<v Speaker 5>but like Luka Lea who decided that he wanted to

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<v Speaker 5>go to Saint Kilda and then all of a sudden

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<v Speaker 5>they've pulled out on him last minute. So you know that,

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<v Speaker 5>I think from what I hear, that's eight eight months

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<v Speaker 5>or two years.

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<v Speaker 1>Of planning that the game isn't it. It is?

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<v Speaker 5>And that's when I think, like, realistically, that's what we

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<v Speaker 5>forget about in this industry, that really we're dealing with

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<v Speaker 5>the emotions of players day and the day out, and

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<v Speaker 5>I understand where supporters are at with you know, some

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<v Speaker 5>of these bigger names that have said and captains have

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<v Speaker 5>said that they want to leave their club. But at

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<v Speaker 5>the end of the day, it's just a it's a

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<v Speaker 5>twenty five year old male trying to find an environment

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<v Speaker 5>and a situation for them that's going to in order

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<v Speaker 5>for him to best thrive.

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<v Speaker 2>So we'll speak about some of the players you manage shortly,

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<v Speaker 2>but I want to know about your phone, Like how

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<v Speaker 2>take us into your world? I mean, does your wife

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<v Speaker 2>hate you right now because you must be on the

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<v Speaker 2>phone all day.

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<v Speaker 5>I'd like to hope that she still likes me a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit, but no, Look, and I'm very fortunately I

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<v Speaker 5>met my wife cat before.

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<v Speaker 1>I started this job.

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<v Speaker 5>But from the moment the ball is bounced, I think

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<v Speaker 5>on Grand Final day, your phone just kicks off. Really

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of that next moment, even even I'm a

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<v Speaker 5>big advocate as well to remove that public holiday and

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<v Speaker 5>the Friday and make it the Monday, just so we

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<v Speaker 5>can have a day to enjoy the Grand Final, because

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<v Speaker 5>it is it's just whilst you're getting caught up in

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<v Speaker 5>the lunches and the emotion of Grand Final day, clubs

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<v Speaker 5>have already finished their season four or five weeks earlier,

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<v Speaker 5>so they're talking about the future already. But you really

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<v Speaker 5>find as soon as you come to work on a

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<v Speaker 5>Monday after the Grand Final, the phone's just run from

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<v Speaker 5>seven am through to nine pm.

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<v Speaker 6>And does it surprise you sometimes and you're like, wow,

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<v Speaker 6>I did not know you were so unhappy where you are?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think were so.

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<v Speaker 5>Look from our player's point of view, as I said,

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<v Speaker 5>you're in the driver's seat of that stuff in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of you know what you want to achieve and where

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<v Speaker 5>you want to get to. But I think it's the

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<v Speaker 5>amount of wasted time you spend on the phone talking

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<v Speaker 5>about deals that are never going to eventuate that may

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<v Speaker 5>impact your players. So you spend two three hours on

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<v Speaker 5>the phone, and then a club turns around says we're

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<v Speaker 5>not going to do that, and it's like I can't

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<v Speaker 5>get those two three hours back.

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<v Speaker 7>Where I'm fascinated by is there's only a number of

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<v Speaker 7>managers four players in the AFL.

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<v Speaker 4>Wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we've seen a massive rise in the numbers. But

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<v Speaker 5>I think doing when you do the calculations on it,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I think twenty five percent of the accredited

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<v Speaker 5>agents probably represent ninety percent of the so it's still

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<v Speaker 5>the same name.

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<v Speaker 7>But say if you're representing two players going for potentially

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<v Speaker 7>the same gig at the same club.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, surely that's going to get messy.

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<v Speaker 5>It can get difficult at times, and I think you

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<v Speaker 5>can have I've always been fortunate that I've worked in

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<v Speaker 5>businesses that you know, we've always had between thirty and

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<v Speaker 5>forty athletes, so those conflicts are very rare, right, We've

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<v Speaker 5>had one back in the day that obviously it's been

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<v Speaker 5>much publicized. I've obviously work with Liam Pickering that you know,

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<v Speaker 5>we Pickers managed the coach and els the Clarkson for Hawthorne.

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<v Speaker 5>Buddy Franklin was going from Hawthorne to Sydney and managed

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<v Speaker 5>the coach of the Ones at the time, John Online.

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<v Speaker 5>That was a hard one, yeah, and then you know

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<v Speaker 5>the whole story that Pickers, clark O and Horse all

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<v Speaker 5>played under nine as at North together. The our mates

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<v Speaker 5>went to each other's weddings, So that's where it can

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<v Speaker 5>get a little bit messy. But look it it's something

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<v Speaker 5>difficult for these bigger agencies and what they need to manage.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so a club captain in Zach Merritt wants out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Bombers. How how do you wrestle with that situation?

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<v Speaker 4>How's it panned out so far? Do you feel for him?

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<v Speaker 4>How's he going?

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<v Speaker 1>It's tricky.

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<v Speaker 5>It has taken that one has taken so many swings

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<v Speaker 5>around about so far.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he wants to get the Hawks.

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<v Speaker 5>He wants to get to the Hawks, but he hasn't

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<v Speaker 5>come and actually explained to the club that this is

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<v Speaker 5>what I want to do. So whether they're sitting on

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<v Speaker 5>their hands till last minute and going to drop it late,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not too sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So what can you do? It's your client, He's not

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<v Speaker 1>our client, so I feel probably more open to.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you're his manager, what can you do? I

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<v Speaker 1>think you've got a Well.

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<v Speaker 5>It's interesting because I think they had to go hard

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<v Speaker 5>and go hard early because Esenton have been so categoric

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<v Speaker 5>coach list manager Jemafooty CEO to say it ain't it's

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<v Speaker 5>not happening, You're not going now. I think they have

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<v Speaker 5>to sort of strike and strike early now. Whether their

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<v Speaker 5>tactics just to go late, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Not too sure.

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<v Speaker 5>But on the flip side, I feel for Zach because

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<v Speaker 5>Hawthorne actually haven't come out and said hey, well we

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<v Speaker 5>want to do a deal and this is what we're thinking.

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<v Speaker 5>They're both sort of sitting on their hands, so that

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<v Speaker 5>one feels like it's unlikely to get done and.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, and then he just has to stay there for

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<v Speaker 6>another year with this whole team, knowing he doesn't want

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<v Speaker 6>to be there.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and I think this is where it is interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>We did teammates, they quickly forget as soon as you're

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<v Speaker 5>back in the class, people move on and I last.

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<v Speaker 4>Year, yeah, and I look at how that ends. That

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<v Speaker 4>caused an absolute cancer in that club.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and now obviously they're revisiting twelve months later. The

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<v Speaker 5>thing is with Zach that he was approached by St

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<v Speaker 5>Kilda the year before, went into the club saying well

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<v Speaker 5>I don't really want to go, but this is what

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<v Speaker 5>they've offered me es and and reciprocated and said we're

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<v Speaker 5>going to top up your deal, and then he's come

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<v Speaker 5>back in twelve months time. So that's probably the only

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<v Speaker 5>thing I thought they may relent. But they're obviously an

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<v Speaker 5>interesting spot Eston. You know, obviously coach has been there

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<v Speaker 5>for a couple of years. New list manager, new president,

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<v Speaker 5>relatively new CEO, you don't really want your leadership in

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<v Speaker 5>Zach Merrick, going.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay is a contract worth the paper it's written on,

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<v Speaker 2>because you're seeing bloke signed seven, eight, nine, ten, seven

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<v Speaker 2>years and you know, three four years in there they're

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<v Speaker 2>wanting to, you know, cross the error and go to

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<v Speaker 2>another club.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting.

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<v Speaker 5>I think when I first started, like a long term

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<v Speaker 5>deal was three maybe four years, and I think free

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<v Speaker 5>agency has really escalated the the length of deals. Clearly,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm in the camp of being a player advocate that

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<v Speaker 5>you want that freedom and flexibility, but probably has gone

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<v Speaker 5>too far. And I think that gets back to the

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<v Speaker 5>merit conversation. I reckon this is an opportunity for clubs

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<v Speaker 5>to say, you know what, you've got a deal and

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<v Speaker 5>you will be staying. The Melbourne situation, though, was really

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<v Speaker 5>interesting that twelve months ago, you know, Petraka and Oliver

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<v Speaker 5>want to leave and they dig in. Yet now new

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<v Speaker 5>coaches come in and said, off you go, and we're

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<v Speaker 5>going to pay you know, chunk you away, chunk you away.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not in terms of Petrarca, but in terms of

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<v Speaker 2>Oliver they'll pay half, maybe even more of his salary.

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<v Speaker 4>So the other club can't afford it.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think you know other instances of that in

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<v Speaker 5>the last couple of years, like Adam Chalaws just resigned

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<v Speaker 5>with Western Bulldogs after what four years there, and this

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<v Speaker 5>will be the first year that Colin would aren't actually

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<v Speaker 5>paying some of his wage to play.

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<v Speaker 7>Now that was a decision out of his contract. Question

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<v Speaker 7>got pushed, why would a club do that? Is it

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<v Speaker 7>because they go, look, you're not right for the environment.

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<v Speaker 7>Now are you actually causing more dramas here? If we

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<v Speaker 7>keep you, we're just going to bite the bullet.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I think all those factors are obviously way

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<v Speaker 5>way up. I mean, Brodie Grundy was Wine, they signed

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<v Speaker 5>him coming to a big long term deal and then

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<v Speaker 5>he landed at Melbourne for a bit and now he's

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<v Speaker 5>at the Swan's. So I think your list dynamic changes,

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<v Speaker 5>your list, manager changes, coaches change.

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<v Speaker 7>But for the player, that's I think the player doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>care as long as their money is coming in.

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<v Speaker 6>Well yeah, but sometimes they want to stay as well

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<v Speaker 6>and they get sent away.

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<v Speaker 3>So you're.

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<v Speaker 1>To your point line of that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's the impact it has on not your star players,

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<v Speaker 5>the guys that are just below that their careers are

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<v Speaker 5>also dictated by what these stars do, So like you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if Charlie Kerno gets to the Swans, for instance, it's like,

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<v Speaker 5>how is that going to impact their key forwards? Like

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<v Speaker 5>we've got Joelamardi there for example. Now I think they'll

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<v Speaker 5>compliment each other. But obviously then you know there's competition

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<v Speaker 5>for spots.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, So you were saying it racers right up to

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<v Speaker 7>the minute tonight, what time is it wrapper Marvel Stadium?

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone, all the clubs come together. The player managers are

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone. Are you actually there tonight?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, it sounds like a telephone.

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<v Speaker 2>They're sort of they're in all the corporate boxes, so

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<v Speaker 2>they s every club gets a corporate box, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like a progressive dinner or like speed dating.

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<v Speaker 2>You can go serious absolutely right up until the deadline.

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<v Speaker 3>And then sometimes are their surprise moves that everyone's like.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last thirty seconds, something can drop and everyone's like, but.

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<v Speaker 7>In the last thirty seconds, for example, right let's say

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<v Speaker 7>petraka science for the Suns in the last thirty seconds,

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<v Speaker 7>Like you're saying, it's got a ripple effect for the

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<v Speaker 7>players below them.

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<v Speaker 4>Time just runs out.

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<v Speaker 1>Time runs out, and then I mean it's the other things.

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<v Speaker 5>So post tonight, we've then got delisted free agency periods,

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<v Speaker 5>we've got drafts, we've got rookie drafts, we've got SSP.

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<v Speaker 5>So there aren't mechanisms for guys who like get tipped

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<v Speaker 5>out after tonight to find their way on list. But

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<v Speaker 5>this is where the emotive look, the emotion of the

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<v Speaker 5>game really I think takes hold because clubs are really

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<v Speaker 5>big on optics and what the trade looks like, if

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<v Speaker 5>they've had a winner or loss in that trade, and

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<v Speaker 5>what I've had experiences where players being told that hey,

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<v Speaker 5>you've got a contract year, but you're no longer required

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<v Speaker 5>go and seek other options. We then find another option

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<v Speaker 5>and we get to you know, five minutes ago of deadline,

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<v Speaker 5>and we're arguing over a future third round pick forty

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<v Speaker 5>two or fifty. And it's but really, at the end

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<v Speaker 5>of the day, you've just you've marched this guy out

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<v Speaker 5>the door and we're arguing over a pick that they

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<v Speaker 5>didn't even end up using. So that's where I think

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<v Speaker 5>the emotion and almost too too much time to think

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<v Speaker 5>at times.

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<v Speaker 7>So I'm just going to say when managers are going

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<v Speaker 7>from you know, corporate box to corporate box, meeting with

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<v Speaker 7>different players.

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<v Speaker 4>Are they are you guys?

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<v Speaker 7>Then running out and calling the players and going Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>this is where it's at. So you know when this

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<v Speaker 7>is all going down tonight, there'd be players sitting at

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<v Speaker 7>home waiting for the phone calls as well.

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<v Speaker 5>And instance I had, I said back in the day

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<v Speaker 5>was James As who went from Collingwood to Freemantle, where

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<v Speaker 5>it should have been a pretty straightforward trade. I actually

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<v Speaker 5>had him sitting out in front of Channel seven studios

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<v Speaker 5>about to do a trade show. I think the deadline

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<v Speaker 5>was seven o'clock and he was going to go on

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<v Speaker 5>an air at sevent ten and he arrived at six

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<v Speaker 5>forty five and he's like, oh, is that deal being

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<v Speaker 5>done yet? And I said, I just just hold like

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<v Speaker 5>it hasn't gone through.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't get out of the car yet.

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<v Speaker 5>And then he was I thought we managed it pretty

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<v Speaker 5>well because he was pretty relaxed the whole way through

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<v Speaker 5>that his biggest concern to tray got done. He goes,

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't got a Freemantle polo, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 5>that's the least of our So yeah, I think your

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<v Speaker 5>roles as a manager is to make sure that the

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<v Speaker 5>client feels relaxed, relaxed and I think contend on where

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<v Speaker 5>they're going to get to.

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<v Speaker 1>But it is pretty frantic when you are dashing around.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyone sit at Marvel and actually scream show me the money.

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<v Speaker 3>Have you ever heard it?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I've never.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the wildest thing you've heard?

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<v Speaker 5>It's funny our game. There's mutual respect between managers and

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<v Speaker 5>agents and whatnot, but we are very competitive with each other.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think if one pulled out of Jerry Maguaimo,

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<v Speaker 5>they'd probably live.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's a view that I know that might doth.

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<v Speaker 4>Can players on top of a salary ask for.

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<v Speaker 1>Benefits, Well, no, you're not allowed to.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all be combined.

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<v Speaker 1>Jokes about the cotton on cats.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I remember back in the day, growing up, we

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<v Speaker 7>know the Broncos and Skipper Avenue boat.

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<v Speaker 4>Every season, that sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 5>There's always those theories that go around Hungry Jack's franchises

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<v Speaker 5>and shares.

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<v Speaker 3>Here and there.

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<v Speaker 2>How many calls have you had from Tom Morris this morning?

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<v Speaker 2>Tom's journals call you more than I don't know. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>to that point, journo is a more across what's going on.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no secrets anymore out there. I think the journal

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<v Speaker 2>has got it well covered.

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<v Speaker 5>I haven't obviously told Tom this, and I don't know

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<v Speaker 5>if it's something else should go with because I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if I'm really thrilled by this as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've been mistaken for Tom. You've got here here.

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<v Speaker 5>The other day an old guy came over to me

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<v Speaker 5>and said Tom, and and he goes, oh, I thought

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<v Speaker 5>you're Tom Morris.

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<v Speaker 1>He does, doesn't.

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<v Speaker 7>Is there a I want to get into details here.

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<v Speaker 7>Is there a standard fee a manager would take from

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<v Speaker 7>a player?

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<v Speaker 1>There is?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, absolutely, So we work on commission based so most

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<v Speaker 5>of us are four percent of your playing contract, right,

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<v Speaker 5>and then any media marketing endorsements twenty percent.

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<v Speaker 4>The actually player contract four percent four percent.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the rule, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the rule there are.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's something three something at five, but generally speaking,

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<v Speaker 5>I think NRAL is a little bit higher at six

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<v Speaker 5>or seven might be higher.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, he's doing all right for himself, isn't he. He's

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<v Speaker 2>clearly inspired by show me the money, no bye, by

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<v Speaker 2>his education.

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<v Speaker 1>You know who his school captain was.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't seriously, you guys went to the same.

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<v Speaker 5>School captain James my first school captain at Waverley Secondary

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<v Speaker 5>College was the Clint Standaway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's right, kindergarten as well, you know, just from

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<v Speaker 2>great Stock.

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<v Speaker 4>Was there just no other choice?

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<v Speaker 6>You're really showing your age, Clint if James was in

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<v Speaker 6>year seven school.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that's a good point.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually I've ever had. We're all glom Waverley.

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<v Speaker 1>I did forget that. I went to school just quickly.

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<v Speaker 4>What do you?

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<v Speaker 7>What are your three tips tonight? The big the biggest surprises?

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<v Speaker 7>Make it call?

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<v Speaker 5>I think I think I gets to the Swans. Ye,

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<v Speaker 5>Merrit won't get anywhere. He will return to the bombers,

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<v Speaker 5>tail between.

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<v Speaker 3>His legs, he stays. Then surely not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's going to be tough. Well who but who replaces him?

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<v Speaker 3>No idea of any other?

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<v Speaker 1>What's another one?

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<v Speaker 4>You reckon tracks ended for the Gold Coast?

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<v Speaker 5>Track will get under the Gold Coast. I think my

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<v Speaker 5>will make sure that they get every piece of trade

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<v Speaker 5>value out of track and they'll let Clarry go. I

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<v Speaker 5>reckon the RCHI one Calamarchi from Brisbane to Adelaide. I

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<v Speaker 5>reckon that'll go right to the wire.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have a big party? It's just relief. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just go home.

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<v Speaker 4>The money's makeing from that Hungry Jacks franchise on.

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<v Speaker 1>The back take of that. Unfortunately, it might be a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty few Burgers.

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<v Speaker 5>But the for us, So get through tomorrow night, tonight,

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<v Speaker 5>i should say, assays the damage Thursday Friday, and then

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<v Speaker 5>there's delisted free agency and then we start working towards

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<v Speaker 5>the draft.

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<v Speaker 7>And imagine the phone call that manager's got to make

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<v Speaker 7>to someone like the Bombers captain and say, hey, mate,

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<v Speaker 7>it didn't go through.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not good. We've been in that situation before.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, but you're back for the Saints, are

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<v Speaker 3>you like, Hi track, won't you come and play for us?

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<v Speaker 1>It's funny.

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<v Speaker 5>I've always said it's quite easy going for Saint Culter

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<v Speaker 5>in this job, going for a mediocre football club because

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<v Speaker 5>you don't really get too emogive about them. But wants

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<v Speaker 5>to go there there, We'll got the cash show that is,

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<v Speaker 5>to show me the money over there. I mean, we've

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<v Speaker 5>we've had that with Josh Dunkley where trade didn't go

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<v Speaker 5>through to the death and it's like you're gonna have

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<v Speaker 5>to go back to the Bulldogs and he went back

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<v Speaker 5>and won the won the Best and Fairest that year.

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<v Speaker 5>So that phone call, it's not great, especially when you

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<v Speaker 5>know the old man's listening in as well.

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<v Speaker 4>That feels like a text job to me.

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<v Speaker 3>It didn't work.

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<v Speaker 1>Turn that phone off. No, it's so cool and just

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<v Speaker 1>hope for a voicemail.

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<v Speaker 7>So James picture joining us on the air this morning,

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<v Speaker 7>Players manager, Big Night Tonight trade comes to an end.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, thanks very much for your time, mate, No thanks

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<v Speaker 1>having me. Guys appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 6>Lauren feeling good following them on the socials.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I