WEBVTT - Outsiders | 2 March 0:00:09.560 --> 0:00:12.119 It is Outsider. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:18.720 Good morning, and welcome to Outsiders, the show that is 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:22.480 to woke identity politics, what Vice President j d Vance 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:24.600 is to the art of diplomacy? 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:26.759 What do you mean by diplomacy? What are you talking 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:27.960 about when you say the close? 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:28.880 What do you even mean? 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:32.240 Studio? And you disrespect the host the very stun You've. 0:00:32.080 --> 0:00:35.559 Got a very you've got You've got no cards, You've 0:00:35.560 --> 0:00:40.720 got you've got no cards, You've got no hands on 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:44.040 the deck. You can't win, you can the only way. 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:55.560 Let's go to the latest Outsiders news. Yes, the whole 0:00:55.560 --> 0:00:58.800 world is talking about the spat in the Oval office? 0:00:58.920 --> 0:01:00.680 Was it a setup? Was it not to set up? 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:05.240 Who set up? Who? Was Zelenski? Who set up the others? 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:08.000 Was a trumpel Vands? Who set up Zelenski? Who knows 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:10.640 Rita and James? What did you make of it? What 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:13.000 exciting television? Donald Trump was right about that. 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:15.400 Oh, it was exciting television. 0:01:15.560 --> 0:01:19.040 And I've been just as excited and appalled by some 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:23.000 of the so called analysis in the aftermath. Clear that 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:25.959 most of those doing the analyzing haven't been bothered to 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:29.600 watch the full fifty three minutes interaction because it wasn't 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:33.839 just the last five or seven minutes, and it wasn't 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.960 just the fifty three minutes. Is everything that has led 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.720 up to that, and analyse Nielsen just did a very 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.840 good bit of analysis on Sky News and it's one 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:44.759 of the rare ones that you see in this from 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:46.160 the Australian media. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:50.120 Because it is such surface levels born so much out 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:50.880 of ignorance. 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:53.760 If you've been paying attention to US politics over the 0:01:53.840 --> 0:01:57.920 last four years, certainly the last two years, nothing that 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:02.520 happened should surprise you. The US's position, Donald Trump's position 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:07.160 on Ukraine has been clear for years and the polling 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.160 in the States backs that up. The American people do 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.640 not want to fund this war. Now you might say 0:02:13.760 --> 0:02:17.240 that's not morally correct. We don't agree with that position. 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.800 That's fine, but that is their position. They don't want 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.720 to pay for this war. They want Europe to pick 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:24.320 up the slack. 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.520 I think he hit a really good point there is 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:30.840 So the point is that you can still support Zelensky 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:33.680 from a moral point of view. Russia should not have invaded. 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:36.200 You can talk about the whole background, and that's a 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.320 separate thing. But James, you know, you don't invade another country. 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:42.799 So that's fine, Russia should not have invaded. But there's 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:47.000 only two ways forward. One way is you stop the war. Now, 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:50.040 you draw a line and you stop killing. The other 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:53.440 way is one side has to win that war. Well, 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:55.960 no one's going to defeat the Russians. You're just not 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:58.480 going to do it. Maybe you never know, in some 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:03.520 fantasy novel you could alternately, could the Russians defeat the Ukrainians. Probably, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:07.200 the reality is the war has to stop. And Zelensky 0:03:07.400 --> 0:03:09.920 was a fool not to take that moment, not to 0:03:09.960 --> 0:03:12.480 grab that moment and say this is it, let's finish 0:03:12.480 --> 0:03:12.760 the war. 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:15.760 James, this was an absolute disaster for Zelenski. And the 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.680 evidence was the Ukrainian ambassador to the United States was 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:23.680 face palming during the press conference, because the whole conference 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.359 is Zelenski is sitting there fidgeting. He wants to make 0:03:26.400 --> 0:03:29.640 a statement. This is Trump's press conference. Let Trump do 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.160 his thing. But to try to argue your point and 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:36.640 jd Vance didn't provoke this. Zelensky provoked it by trying 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.640 to argue the case in front of everybody. 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:40.560 You do that behind closed doors. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.640 And it's interesting you say that because it's almost like 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.680 a microcosm of the war, who provoked who, who's start right, 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.559 Who said diplomacy first? Who said this first? 0:03:50.880 --> 0:03:54.080 A deal that was being worked on that was enormously 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:59.880 advantageous to Ukraine, and for some crazy reason, Zelenski di 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:04.080 cided to renegotiate it in front of the world's media 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:09.960 in the White House. Knowing the positions that Trump and 0:04:10.080 --> 0:04:14.720 Vance have on this entire issue, it was extraordinary. Now 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:19.120 I do wonder whether it was calculated or whether it 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:25.359 was just the White House calculat If you watch the 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.840 full fifty three minutes, I don't think any sort of 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:32.560 same person could say that, because he was goading them repeatedly, 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:38.440 and Trump was uncharacteristically diplomatic for a good forty forty 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:40.920 five minutes, sort of letting things go, and even JD. 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.360 Vance let a lot go through to the keeper until 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:46.120 it just got too much. 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:48.599 And one thing we've. 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:53.599 Got to talk about is again, morally, of course, Russia. 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:54.880 Is in the wrong, Putin is in the wrong. 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.159 They should not be invading a smaller country, They should 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:01.880 not be taking advantage of the weakness in the White. 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:03.560 House at that time to do that. 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.400 But we've also got to look at the reality that 0:05:07.080 --> 0:05:09.320 as you said, Ukraine isn't going to win this war. 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:12.000 We know that, So what are the options? 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.680 And even some of the most art and pro Ukraine 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:19.640 experts have clearly said there's three options. Either you give 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.440 up and give putin what he wants. Obviously no one 0:05:22.480 --> 0:05:25.760 wants to do that. Or you continue this war. And 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:27.280 if you actually want to win it, if you want 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.320 Ukraine to win it, you've got to commit forces. You've 0:05:29.320 --> 0:05:31.240 got to commit ground forces, You've got. 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:33.400 To commit a lot. As Donald Trump said, you've got 0:05:33.400 --> 0:05:36.320 a gamble world War three because the Russians, it's. 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:37.840 Probably kind of sparked World War three. 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.279 And really all those European countries who are coming and posting, 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:45.440 tweeting about their support, even our own time minister, are 0:05:45.440 --> 0:05:48.119 you willing to send troops? Are you willing to send troops? 0:05:48.160 --> 0:05:50.920 Are you willing to spend a lot more money? 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.160 Tops James, when you dig up a couple of old 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.720 bushmus masters that are out in the desert there and 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:00.400 it would stand in the petrol dieseling and send them be. 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:04.159 Dragged kicking and screaming to or you do a deal. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.960 You do a deal that's advantageous to Ukraine. And that's 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:11.560 where we were on the verge of and now that's 0:06:11.560 --> 0:06:15.640 been entirely jeopardized, more people are going to unnecessarily die. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.880 This war is going to be prolonged for what aim. 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.479 Well, the aim is very clear. It all boils down 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:27.120 to the idea of some kind of security. Trump believes 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:31.040 that that security comes simply through having American investment, having 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:35.400 Wall Street invested in Ukraine, with the raw earth minerals, 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.280 that that by itself, not only the people who are 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.520 working there, but also the security apparatus that would surround 0:06:41.560 --> 0:06:45.680 that is sufficient to deter the Russians. Zolenski believes that 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.320 history tells him that's not the case. That's what the 0:06:48.360 --> 0:06:50.840 whole spat boiled down to. Let's take a quick look 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:54.280 at a bit of it. Basically, where Trump is you 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:56.000 pointing out his point of view. 0:07:00.880 --> 0:07:04.600 You went to Pennsylvania and campaigned for the opposition in October. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.880 Offer some words of appreciation for the United States of 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:12.080 America and the president who's trying to save your country. 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:15.440 He wants to make a deal. I don't know if 0:07:15.440 --> 0:07:19.280 you can make a deal. The problem is I've empowered 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.520 you to be a tough guy, and I don't think 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.800 you'd be a tough guy without the United States, and 0:07:24.840 --> 0:07:26.040 your people are very brave. 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.120 But you're either going to make a deal or we're out. 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.640 And if we're out, you'll fight it out. I don't 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.200 think it's going to be pretty, but you'll fight it out. 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:38.600 But you don't have the cards. But once we signed 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:41.800 that deal, you're in a much better position. But you're 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.760 not acting at all thankful. And that's not a nice thing. 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:47.600 I'll be honest, that's not a nice thing. All right, 0:07:47.960 --> 0:07:51.040 I think we've seen enough. What do you think, Uh, 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.600 this is going to be great television? 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.280 Tell you it was great or he had to do. 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:04.280 Zelenski to finalized this still was Wear a suit, show 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:07.120 the respect to the Oval Office, to the White House, 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:11.120 show up, have the negotiations behind closed doors, have a 0:08:11.200 --> 0:08:16.920 nice little meeting in front of the world's media, say 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:22.040 some damning things about Putin and shake hands and walk away. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:25.920 I'll tell you how badly he went. 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:30.720 Almost immediately after, one of his biggest backers, one of 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:35.439 the people who has fought hardest for more funding for Ukraine, 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:38.520 has stood by Zelenski's side, has been a long term 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:42.040 friend of his despite other than just the political support, 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:48.600 is Lindsey Graham, and he immediately disowned him, which shocked 0:08:48.600 --> 0:08:50.360 me because I thought he would come out and say 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.320 it was disappointing, but we've got work to do. Let's 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:56.720 just have a look at what Lindsey Graham said immediately after. 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:58.680 What I saw in. 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:02.280 The Oval office was respectful. And I don't know if 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.160 we can ever do business with Zolensky again. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:06.160 I don't. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:10.040 I think most Americans saw a guy that they would not. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:11.240 Want to go in business with. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:14.839 The way he handle the meeting, the way he confronted 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:18.960 the President was just over the top. So I think 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:25.520 the relationship between Ukraine and America is important, vitally important. 0:09:25.880 --> 0:09:30.000 But can Zolensky do a deal with the United States 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:31.280 after what I saw? 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:32.120 I don't know. 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:35.880 And he went on to say Zelenski would either have 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.680 to step down or dramatically change his approach to try 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.760 to salvage something here. So let's talk about what matters, 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:45.880 because what matters is we want to end this war, 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:50.960 and we want to stop having Ukrainians die needlessly, and 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:54.480 we want to have an advantageous still for the for 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.000 the Ukrainians who have suffered over three years. 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:00.760 Having all the Europeans jumping in immediately armors there this 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:05.199 morning with Zelenski. The King's going to be seeing Zelenski. 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.199 So last week they were all courting Donald Trump. This 0:10:08.240 --> 0:10:09.880 week they're all rushing off to court Zelensky. 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.080 And you're right, that's the irony for Zelensky is that 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:14.360 Trump had just met with the French, he had met 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.920 with the British, he'd met with the Polish. So Trump 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.040 was set up having been sympathetic towards Europe. There was 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:24.240 no need for Zelensky to now go in and poke 0:10:24.320 --> 0:10:26.080 the bear. And if you wanted to talk about the 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.240 importance of security and all that Putin had done in 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.040 breaking ceasefies, he could have talked straight to the media 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.319 rather than taking the discussion to JD. Vance and taking 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.080 them on. And that's the other interesting thing about this. 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.040 You've now got a White House that will not be 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.600 pushed around. Could you imagine Kamala Harris rather than JD. 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:47.280 Vance. Could you imagine Biden and all that exactly. 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.360 But now all world leaders are on notice. You go 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.160 to the White House, you don't want to be foolish, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:54.320 because they will not tolerate fools, which may be a 0:10:54.360 --> 0:10:56.160 reason why Anthony Albaneze has not visited. 0:10:56.200 --> 0:10:59.000 Yeah, no, that's a great point, James. And it is 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.720 a disgrace that our Benizi has zero relationship with Trump. 0:11:02.840 --> 0:11:06.760 Not surprising, but still the disgrace a penny Wong And 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:10.120 I mean, we are just so on the nose with 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.800 the modern American world, the new Pax American or if 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:16.000 you like the new world of Donald Trump, we are 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:18.319 just nowhere to be seen. I hope. Well that changes 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.360 when Peter Dutton wins the election, which is going to 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:21.400 do in a few weeks time. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.679 But this also goes to that speech, that groundbreaking speech 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:26.880 we've spoken about on this program so much that jd 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:31.839 Vance gave in Europe. Yes, there is a political realignment. Again, 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:36.120 many political analysts may not like it. It doesn't matter 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:39.120 if you don't like it. This is the reality. America 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:44.240 is now an America first approach. They do not want 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:48.960 to support endless wars overseas. They do not want to 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:54.160 have a values that are in line with the European elite. 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:57.280 They are not for open borders, they're not for green 0:11:57.440 --> 0:12:03.440 climate madness, they're not for the cultural stup socialism. Yeah, 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:09.559 the uah European socialism. There is a divorce happening there. 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.679 And again, this is something the American people voted for. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:16.480 Whether you like it or not is immaterial, and the 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:19.079 polling on this has been very clear. 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:22.760 It's really all that surprising, James, if you consider that 0:12:23.440 --> 0:12:26.040 in Europe they've gone down the route of net zero, 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.680 which is basically just socialism climate change. They've de industrialized 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.480 the great industrial nations of Europe, Germany and France and others. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:37.600 They've deindustrialized themselves. They're reliant on the US for military 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:40.760 support and cash. They're aligned on the Russians for energy. 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:44.640 They're socialists. They've got open borders that are destroying their 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:50.040 welfare states, the complete antithesis to every single Donald Trump policy. 0:12:50.240 --> 0:12:53.080 So no wonder Donald Trump looks at them with absolute 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.120 horror and go. And I think this is what the 0:12:55.120 --> 0:12:58.000 message from the White House yesterday was, Europe. You're on 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.880 your own, take it away, you know your problem. You 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.360 either do it the American way or where out and 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:04.280 you can sort this mess. 0:13:04.440 --> 0:13:05.800 That was JD's message, wasn't it. 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.280 Why would we spend billions of dollars supporting people who 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.160 don't share our values? And again I go back to 0:13:11.200 --> 0:13:14.440 Anthony Alberanzi. He's got a problem because his values don't 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.160 exactly align with the Trump administration, and Anthony Albanzi does 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:19.240 not want to be embarrassed on. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.520 The world stage. You ought to tread very carefully, I think. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:23.880 Well, in the direct opposition to Trump, I would say 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.640 everything that Alberanzi stands for. 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:26.720 Well pretty much. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:30.400 An He did come out strongly and make a statement 0:13:30.480 --> 0:13:35.840 about Australia and his support for Ukraine and President Zelenski, 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.959 which is all good and well, but during a week 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.120 when he's been utterly inept, he hasn't actually stood up 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.760 for Australia Whilst we've got Chinese warships not far from 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:50.240 our from our borders, doing god knows what without advising us, 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:55.640 sometimes starting these very aggressive maneuvers and then telling us 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:58.319 about it later. And he just seems to be shrugging 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.000 the shoulders and going well, strictly speaking, they're not breaking 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.040 any international laws, they're in international waters. 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.199 Why they here and doing. 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:10.360 These exercises so close to us? Obviously it is sending 0:14:10.400 --> 0:14:13.200 a message and it's not a friendly message. And I 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:15.160 would like to see the Prime Minister be a little 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:19.480 bit more animated, a little bit more outraged on our 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:23.160 behalf and making a stand for Australia. That's I think 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.120 would fill people with a great deal of confidence that 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.240 the Prime Minister is seeing what's happening and he's not 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:32.520 okay with it, and he's bold enough and strong enough 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.960 to make that clear to the Chinese Communist Party instead 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:37.800 of cowtowing to the Mendless. 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:39.840 Well, Scott Morrison has come out and said that he 0:14:39.960 --> 0:14:46.520 finds Albow's reaction to the Chinese extremely disturbing. And of 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:48.560 course Scott Morrison was great and standing up to the 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:52.680 Chinese and that was one of the highlights, actually one 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.600 of the best things that Scott Morrison did. But James, 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:57.840 we've now got the news that Peter Dutton is saying 0:14:57.840 --> 0:15:02.200 this morning thirty five jets, billions of dollars to be 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:04.560 spent on that, and that's a good time to come 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:09.520 out with this announcement Albanizi and the Chinese weak stuff. 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:12.560 I'm so glad Dutton's buying stealth fighter jets. Elbow would 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.600 probably come out and buy a few new virgin jets 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.960 so we could have some virgin pilots controlling the borders. 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:18.920 I just could not. 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.240 Believe the fiasco we had this week where we are 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:24.400 assured by government ministers that you know, we had the 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:28.760 highest level of surveillance. If you are surveilling Chinese warships 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:31.240 and you don't notice their firing live round. 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:33.880 You don't notice them, ye, and that's the highest. 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:34.440 Level of surveillance. 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.600 And Richard Marles the Defense Minister to say that, well, 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:41.080 this wasn't a real threat, therefore our response is irrelevant 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:45.160 and does not matter. I mean that's what he said. 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:46.640 He said it wasn't a real threat. It was so 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.640 real forty seven jets had to be diverted. I'm pretty 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:52.480 sure commercial airliners thought it was a real threat. The 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:55.280 other thing that the Defense Minister said is he said 0:15:55.320 --> 0:15:58.400 it's not a concern that our close allies New Zealand, 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:01.480 who were partnering with us in this valance, didn't get 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.720 the message to us until what was it forty to 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:07.720 fifty minutes later, and he dismissed that as unimportant. It 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:11.720 gives you zero confidence in this government's ability to defend 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:12.800 us at all. 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:15.440 Absolutely well, that didn't even seem to have the will, 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.160 let alone do we even have their ability to do this? 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.920 And I'll be talking about this after the break, but 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:28.720 Australia possibly should stop antagonizing some of our greatest allies 0:16:29.200 --> 0:16:34.440 during this period because just finally, on what Albanezi said 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:39.560 in terms of the Ukraine Deal, we're also negotiating an 0:16:39.560 --> 0:16:44.560 exemption to tariffs against Australians still aluminium. Again, I would 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:51.720 just advise some caution because Australia's interests should be at 0:16:51.760 --> 0:16:55.600 the very top of the prime minister's priority list, above 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.240 everything else, Above virtue signaling about tweeting out something that 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:02.120 he thinks is going to be popular. What he's got 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:06.360 to be interested about is Australia First strategy. You might 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.280 want to call it something else because that sounds a 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:12.840 bit like the Trump agenda, but this is what Australians want. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.680 We want to have a prime minister that prioritizes our 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:20.480 country and our interest and our living standards and our 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:25.560 safety above all else. And I don't think any sort 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:29.200 of reasonable person can look at the last two and 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:30.720 a half years and say. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.639 That, yeah, absolutely, I agree. Virtually everything this government is 0:17:34.680 --> 0:17:37.679 doing is completely at odds with the future path this 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.200 nation needs to take. And this nation needs to get 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:44.119 on building up our mining, building up our agriculture, building 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:47.000 up our investment, tracting money from around the world into 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:49.919 a country which should be the greatest place to do business, 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:52.560 which should be the greatest place to invest your mining 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.879 or agricultural dollars in, and instead we're doing the complete opposite. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.399 We're making it as difficult as possible for investment to 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:01.880 come here. We're driving it away. We are you know, 0:18:02.119 --> 0:18:04.919 this government is so bad it's got to go. But 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.520 we've got to make sure that the coalition does a 0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:10.159 much much better job of putting as Rita says, Australia First. 0:18:10.600 --> 0:18:14.120 One of the most underreported stories I think at the moment, James, 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.679 is the fact that we are in a recession, a 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.600 per capita recession. We've been in it for what's seven 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:24.520 quarters now. That is something that impacts the living standards 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.719 of Australians. This is something that hurts everyday Australians, and 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.520 it seems to be almost forgotten about. 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:33.880 We have an influx of migrants coming in. 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.800 Who artificially boost the GDP figures, so we'll say, oh, well, 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.480 we're not really in recession, but the figure that matters 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:43.120 is the per capita data, and per capita we are 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:43.720 in recession. 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:44.760 We have been for some time. 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.000 And if Anthony Albersi was hoping that tiny interest rate 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.000 drop was going to make a scrap of difference to 0:18:51.200 --> 0:18:54.920 anybody's life, let alone voting intention in the next couple 0:18:54.920 --> 0:18:55.320 of months. 0:18:55.320 --> 0:18:56.240 He's kidding himself. 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:58.840 The other interesting thing this week was Jim Chalmers was 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.959 out selling the government'sconomic message because, according to reports, Labors 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.880 insiders weren't confident of the Prime Minister's ability to sell 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.720 his own economic policies. So this does not bode well 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.320 for Anthony Albanezi if he's lucky enough to win the 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:16.640 next election. His own team now just don't believe he's 0:19:16.640 --> 0:19:18.159 capable of selling their message. 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.399 Well, he's not capable of selling any message. I mean, 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:21.439 let's be honest. 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.560 But let's tell the voice with all the support he 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.520 had and all the corporate support, all the actor saw 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.920 that money and lost what sixty forty Now. 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.960 Let's go over to the States to Shamika Michelle who 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:37.960 joins us. Shamiker, always great to chat to you. You're 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:39.919 right there at the moment, in the heart of it. 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.720 Or what did you did you enjoy the spectacle the 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.680 great television from the great television maestro himself, Donald Trump. 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.159 You thought the Apprentice was good? Here's the Oval Office 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:54.560 brought to us all what's the feeling in America? As 0:19:54.640 --> 0:20:00.639 Rita was saying beforehand, Americans relieved that Donald Trump stood 0:20:00.680 --> 0:20:02.560 up to Zelensky and said, We're not going to be 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:04.359 spending any more money on you. You've got to make 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:07.080 a piece. Still, what's the attitude in America, Shamaika? 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.400 Yeah, obviously the left is having a fit, right, They're crazy. 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:16.040 They are going to go against everything simply because they 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.280 don't care about the American people. If it was up 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:22.240 to them, we would just keep sending billions and billions 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:27.119 of dollars over to Ukraine while Americans actually suffer and 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.920 can barely pay for eggs. But for the rest of us, 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:33.760 those of us who have common sense in any type 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:37.520 of sanity, we are so grateful for President Trump. 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:39.600 This, what we saw this. 0:20:39.560 --> 0:20:44.000 Display in the White House yesterday is exactly what we 0:20:44.200 --> 0:20:47.720 voted for him for. We want someone who is tough, 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:51.640 someone who is going to put America first, and someone 0:20:51.640 --> 0:20:56.040 who's just not afraid to be hated. Trump is not 0:20:56.200 --> 0:20:59.760 afraid for people to criticize him, and we appreciate that. 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.480 And for those of us that campaigned over the last 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:07.240 four years after what happened, in twenty twenty four. We 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:10.880 are really just basket and glory right now, we are 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:11.720 so happy. 0:21:12.160 --> 0:21:14.720 Well, this is what a lot of people don't understand Shamika, 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:18.960 particularly here in Australia, that this wouldn't have come as 0:21:18.960 --> 0:21:23.280 an enormous surprise to Americans. This was something that Donald 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:27.920 Trump has talked about, is campaigned about. They don't want 0:21:28.040 --> 0:21:32.000 to see billions going from America to Ukraine, no matter 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:35.639 how good that cause may be. It is something that 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:39.520 the American public have changed their mind on because back 0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.400 in twenty twenty. 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:43.160 Two there was support. 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:45.040 For the amount of funding that was going to Ukraine, 0:21:45.119 --> 0:21:48.720 but even by last year it was clear it was 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:52.480 only a minority position. So tell me about that change 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:56.880 where people were quite happy for America to fund Ukraine's defense, 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.359 but now they have said no more. 0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.879