Speaker 1: Hmm.
Speaker 2: I was on two n RL three sixty rugby league
Speaker 2: from every angle joining me in the great Gordon Tallis
Speaker 2: bring the journals in, Paul Crawley and Andrew Webster. Interesting
Speaker 2: round of footy on the weekend, that you enjoy the
Speaker 2: weekend's footing.
Speaker 3: I love sim bins.
Speaker 4: I just think there should be more of them. Don't
Speaker 4: need to wrap the games at all. Now, what's up?
Speaker 4: You know the footy has been great.
Speaker 3: We just need to get the officials out of the way.
Speaker 5: Just be great if you could talk about the footy.
Speaker 2: Hopefully after magic round we can now. The sin bin
Speaker 2: saga continues tonight, with Titans coach Des Has hitting out
Speaker 2: at the NRL denying his team he is the most
Speaker 2: penalized in the competition.
Speaker 6: Take a look the.
Speaker 3: Most penalized team in competition for high tackles.
Speaker 6: What do you make of that?
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting stat and it doesn't mean it's correct
Speaker 7: and consultation it might appeal at that.
Speaker 6: I can assure you it's not correct.
Speaker 7: So for Andrew to say that there has been a
Speaker 7: correct down.
Speaker 6: Us is wrong.
Speaker 7: And it seems like all of a sudden that you
Speaker 7: know we're going to move the gold posts, which is
Speaker 7: not the not a clear response. Why are we moving
Speaker 7: the gold posts all of a sudden, I don't think
Speaker 7: coming out and changing all this now moving the goal post,
Speaker 7: I think it's not being honest with the integrity of
Speaker 7: the game.
Speaker 3: Are you after four losses and a couple of them?
Speaker 7: No, No, we take full will take full responsibility to
Speaker 7: four losses. So don't say that I never said that.
Speaker 2: You said that he's off at the NRL.
Speaker 1: The NL are moving the goal posts.
Speaker 6: Ah, And I don't.
Speaker 8: Think they're moving the goal post. I think they're clamping down.
Speaker 8: And last night when we saw the stats, I must
Speaker 8: have been reading the wrong ones because the Titans were leading,
Speaker 8: the comp went we shod here well.
Speaker 1: Is the most head Eige tackles. He's saying they haven't, But.
Speaker 6: Is he alluding to other teams get away with them?
Speaker 5: That's the point.
Speaker 9: That's the point when when you when you put those
Speaker 9: figures up last night, you can read them two ways. Yeah,
Speaker 9: the Titans are on top, but as we all know,
Speaker 9: we're seeing some that are being panalized that shouldn't be
Speaker 9: penalties and some that are getting this from other teams.
Speaker 9: That changes the landscape, and there's no question in the world,
Speaker 9: no question in the world. In the last month, we've
Speaker 9: seen a change, Gordon. You can't deny the goalposts have
Speaker 9: changed in the last month.
Speaker 4: It was the line that was sort of trotted out
Speaker 4: by Andrew Abdo on his charm offensive yesterday, like he
Speaker 4: spoke to everybody, and I remember talking to Andrew earlier
Speaker 4: in the day and he made the point that, you know,
Speaker 4: head high tackles are significantly more at this point of
Speaker 4: the season than last year.
Speaker 6: But you're right.
Speaker 4: The counter argument to that is is that they're they're
Speaker 4: calling more and more head high tackles when they actually aren't.
Speaker 4: So I'm less concerned about them like calling it tackles
Speaker 4: as the inconsistency of when they're calling them from game
Speaker 4: to game, from.
Speaker 3: From official to official.
Speaker 5: That's I think that's.
Speaker 4: The thing that we're all worried about heading into Magic Ground,
Speaker 4: that we're just going to have the repeat of what
Speaker 4: we saw in twenty one, and that's the last thing
Speaker 4: the game needs.
Speaker 8: We're actually sitting arguing over the force. Well, it wasn't hard,
Speaker 8: but isn't it if you hit him in the head,
Speaker 8: you hit him in the head.
Speaker 9: It's the fairness of the Gordy you showed last night
Speaker 9: the knee in the head, right, there's no excuse in
Speaker 9: the world that the bunker missed that. Everyone that watches
Speaker 9: that game sees that happen, and the injustice and the
Speaker 9: unfairness of it. And even though it was the same
Speaker 9: team that got lost to Bloke A tackle later, is
Speaker 9: that you look at the second that the tackler of Montoya,
Speaker 9: it doesn't warrant a sinbin if Tupereneurs doesn't.
Speaker 5: And there's no way in the world they miss that.
Speaker 5: You can't miss that the Burden one in the same
Speaker 5: game that the.
Speaker 9: Burden one when they called up the game and showed
Speaker 9: that and put him on report, yet they didn't send
Speaker 9: him to the sinbin. How the hell, How the hell
Speaker 9: is that not synbin if we're seeing all these other
Speaker 9: ones that are synbind In the South Sydney game, there
Speaker 9: was a crusher tackle, you know, that's head contact. Memozulas
Speaker 9: was on the ground. I think it was trently Erro
Speaker 9: did the tackle. He's sitting there, he's holding his neck.
Speaker 5: No penalty.
Speaker 9: It's the fairness of it all. There's no fairness at
Speaker 9: the moment.
Speaker 2: Fair to be fair, ABDA come on last night admitted
Speaker 2: they got it wrong and said there will be immediate change.
Speaker 2: So as much as yeah, I agree with you Cross,
Speaker 2: you know they've been getting it wrong. You know, I
Speaker 2: do question the no crackdown by the NRL, and I
Speaker 2: think Desi's right there, there's been a crack like that
Speaker 2: because the players haven't changed the way that they play
Speaker 2: that much for the amount of penalties that have been given,
Speaker 2: synbins and reports and you name it. So they're definitely
Speaker 2: refereeing differently too. And I mentioned that to Andrew last night.
Speaker 2: It's not just the bunker, you know that they are
Speaker 2: giving more head EIE penalties that shouldn't be and there's
Speaker 2: definitely more synbins that shouldn't be.
Speaker 4: Full credit to Abdoor to be able to say that,
Speaker 4: you know, to admit that they got it wrong. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm interested in is what he said in
Speaker 4: all his interviews yesterday, is how much reach the bunker
Speaker 4: is going to have during Magic Round. Is it going
Speaker 4: to go back and pull up, you know, indiscretions from
Speaker 4: earlier in the in the set. That's going to be
Speaker 4: the interesting thing because he seems to think that that threshold,
Speaker 4: as he was calling it, needs to be needs to
Speaker 4: be lifted, and that's going to be interesting to see
Speaker 4: in Magic Round, just where that thresholds at.
Speaker 8: The referees are always going to push the envelope. I
Speaker 8: think we're missing the point. If they changed the technique
Speaker 8: of all the players and they get hit in the
Speaker 8: head less, there's going to be less Papa.
Speaker 2: The last couple of nights off because you think the
Speaker 2: players are going to responsible now.
Speaker 6: I think tackling techniques really pull that.
Speaker 8: Bolly comes in and there's Hazeltin runs, He's got his
Speaker 8: rib cage open, and he stands up and hits him
Speaker 8: in there.
Speaker 5: That's the one offense. Gordon.
Speaker 9: You can't pin this back on the coaches and the
Speaker 9: players and tackling technique.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what. Okay, So where they learn? A
Speaker 6: year ago?
Speaker 9: A year ago, hang on a second last June I
Speaker 9: wrote a story Bennett.
Speaker 5: There was so much frustration in the game.
Speaker 9: Bennett couldn't bite his tongue anymore, bring me up, and
Speaker 9: he wanted to do a story about it because he
Speaker 9: was so fed up and everyone in the game was
Speaker 9: so fed up. He came up with some really great
Speaker 9: ideas right at the end of the season. They sat
Speaker 9: weighing down, they said, Ivan Cleary and Ricky Stewart, and they.
Speaker 5: Came up with a plan. Well guess what.
Speaker 9: They didn't bring the plan into play, and we're a
Speaker 9: year down the track and it hasn't got better, mate,
Speaker 9: it has got worse. They came up with a plan
Speaker 9: that perhaps could have fixed the sinbin problem that we
Speaker 9: have at the moment while still punishing high tackles.
Speaker 5: They ignored it.
Speaker 9: Andrew Abdo said last night, we might look at it
Speaker 9: at the end of the year. They looked at the
Speaker 9: end of last year, and they trialed it in a trial.
Speaker 9: They spoke about putting regular people in the bunker, right
Speaker 9: for regular people that could be there every week to
Speaker 9: try and get some consistency.
Speaker 5: Never happened. Never happened, Never happened.
Speaker 9: To Mate, reference a game because this could have been
Speaker 9: sorted out, or at least we would be on the
Speaker 9: right track.
Speaker 5: But to me and to many many.
Speaker 8: Fans out there, mate, backwards, I used to used to
Speaker 8: get penalized if you gave way a penalty. It was taboo.
Speaker 8: Now I reckon your coach to give away penalties. That's
Speaker 8: why six to go to coming. They don't care how
Speaker 8: many penalties.
Speaker 9: Believe is coached injured. I would back there, but I
Speaker 9: would suggest mate on the try line. Yeah, their coach
Speaker 9: to give away penalties and slow down the game and
Speaker 9: that sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: They probably don't care. But I wouldn't say I like
Speaker 5: the only I would like.
Speaker 8: I would like every week to challenge every coach to
Speaker 8: come down the park and run.
Speaker 6: And I hit him in the.
Speaker 9: Head the only delivery active.
Speaker 8: And I hit him at I said, man, I'm sorry,
Speaker 8: I just slipped you know, MAT's up and just see
Speaker 8: whether they like it.
Speaker 6: And I don't think that they would.
Speaker 8: I didn't like it when I'm playing and now you
Speaker 8: see them all getting hit in the head and they
Speaker 8: just run, bend your back I.
Speaker 4: Speak to I don't A lot of coaches were on
Speaker 4: the point your I think it's all a lot of
Speaker 4: factors to be to the game, the surface, the interpret
Speaker 4: But but I agree with you, Gordy, because I've been
Speaker 4: writing this for a few years, because you talk to
Speaker 4: coaches about it. Did they think that you know, the
Speaker 4: two players, the two defenders coming in that up high.
Speaker 4: That's a big part of it. So let me ask
Speaker 4: you this, Then, what do you say to those, and
Speaker 4: the great Mic Cronan has been a propeller this for
Speaker 4: a long time. Two in the tackle, I don't mind it.
Speaker 4: But I don't know why we don't even try that.
Speaker 4: Why we don't even.
Speaker 8: Consider that because the athletes got two seconds because the
Speaker 8: athletes got too good, got too big, too big and too.
Speaker 6: That would take it.
Speaker 2: That would take a while to for players to get
Speaker 2: you still, So that's not an off season thing.
Speaker 1: That that's that's a whole.
Speaker 9: Fifteen the interchange and everything else comes having an idea.
Speaker 5: It's good enough for me.
Speaker 6: Krona haven't appear on the show because there's one on
Speaker 6: one right.
Speaker 8: And then in my era, the player the balls got
Speaker 8: so quick, so I had to be two in a tackle,
Speaker 8: and now they play the balls didn't slow down, so
Speaker 8: now there's three just to slow it down.
Speaker 6: So you don't have as many rocking friends either. And
Speaker 6: the leg tackle wasn't getting rewarded.
Speaker 3: Get rid of the sixth to go, which is so
Speaker 3: subjective anyway, the tackle.
Speaker 2: It's not just fans that are blowing up though the
Speaker 2: immoral Joey he was feelthy, wasn't he?
Speaker 6: And that it was well reported and on TV and
Speaker 6: all that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he put the headset down here.
Speaker 4: I wrote that in The Australian yesterday he with twenty
Speaker 4: look at that look at that head Jesus.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I reckon, I'm bigger than current and he
Speaker 6: hits him in the head.
Speaker 3: So that was a send off, wasn't it.
Speaker 1: I thought?
Speaker 4: But this, this story in terms of Joey, like I mean,
Speaker 4: it just shows you know, people give Joey, have different
Speaker 4: opinions on Joe Jo love the fact that he's so
Speaker 4: unfielded and it's such a fan of the game that
Speaker 4: he could not call the last twenty three minutes of
Speaker 4: that match for Channel nine. He just put his put
Speaker 4: his his microphone down after the bole a well, when
Speaker 4: it got to Golden Point they trying to engage, he said,
Speaker 4: I hope there's no head highs and then said nothing
Speaker 4: for the rest of the game. To me, that just
Speaker 4: sums up the frustration, particularly and former players about what's
Speaker 4: going on in the game.
Speaker 9: It's not just former players though, it's the fans too.
Speaker 9: You look, you look at any online story that that
Speaker 9: talks about the crackdown all the sin bins at the moment,
Speaker 9: and the majority of fans feel so frustrated Gordy and
Speaker 9: this is what the game can't ignore because people love
Speaker 9: rugby league. Well you know what your friends will say,
Speaker 9: oh wait, watch the footing next week. They're always back
Speaker 9: on watching the footy because they love rugby league.
Speaker 6: But they still care.
Speaker 3: That was the dumbest one out of the weekend.
Speaker 4: You know, it just sort of put an exclamation point
Speaker 4: on the weekend.
Speaker 6: Really, that's a creature of habit. Yeah, because that's what.
Speaker 3: It's not even a penalty though, is it.
Speaker 1: It's if it's a penalty, it's only just why does
Speaker 1: he hit him in the head.
Speaker 5: To wrap up the ball?
Speaker 9: And you're right, it's look he got him high and
Speaker 9: he has got his ribs cage there that he But
Speaker 9: the fact.
Speaker 5: That it's not a sin being Gordy, it has never
Speaker 5: been a sin.
Speaker 6: Bin get ten of those a game. As I said,
Speaker 6: just go down bunk, just get someone. Just keep on
Speaker 6: it in your hand.
Speaker 1: Do it now.
Speaker 6: It's annoying.
Speaker 2: You're pretty outspoken about Latrell Mitchell. It's him been in
Speaker 2: now one week suspension. You don't believe he should have been.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what I don't believe.
Speaker 9: I don't believe it's fair that Latrell gets one week
Speaker 9: for that and he gets sin binned. And Isaiah Yo
Speaker 9: hits Tom Travoyevitch with a swinging arm and again I'll
Speaker 9: call him both Rugby League accidents in a way.
Speaker 5: But Yo hits him and gets nothing, Mane.
Speaker 9: This is it all goes back to the fairness, and
Speaker 9: in fairness to Latrell. Litrell's a bloke that is so
Speaker 9: polarizing in our game, and so many people love him
Speaker 9: and others don't like him.
Speaker 5: But when that tackle happened, there's an immediate blow up.
Speaker 5: Oh he should have been sent off. But when you
Speaker 5: actually look at the tackle and Faye Logo.
Speaker 9: Comes sliding in different circumstances and Latrell hits him right,
Speaker 9: Falgo actually knocks himself out when.
Speaker 5: When his head hits the ground.
Speaker 1: This was careless at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's careless.
Speaker 9: But what I'm saying is it's the unfairness because then
Speaker 9: you get Yo that gets understand that, and that's the problem.
Speaker 5: With the game at the moment.
Speaker 1: Thought for Latrell's I'd take the week and run.
Speaker 9: If that's how I saw it, I saw it differently
Speaker 9: because I reckon we've seen accidents in the game forever,
Speaker 9: and you'll never get it out of the game unless
Speaker 9: you's unless you put on os tag or you put
Speaker 9: on touch footy, because it's a collision sport and unfortunately
Speaker 9: it's going to happen.
Speaker 5: He's sliding on the wet ground there and he and
Speaker 5: he's and he's engaged.
Speaker 6: Latrell and he was going to pass the ball.
Speaker 8: So quick on what he's going to do and the
Speaker 8: defenders moving forward when standing there in the defensive.
Speaker 4: I'm happy if he stays on the field and let
Speaker 4: the matter review handle it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I just think they're so trigger happy with with sending
Speaker 4: boats to the bin. But then again, the bunker and
Speaker 4: the referees are under instructions from those above them.
Speaker 1: The direction is going to come. What about magic around
Speaker 1: this weekend? What's a pass mark?
Speaker 6: Again?
Speaker 2: Andrew Abdo was on sitting right there where you are,
Speaker 2: Cruls and he said, it's not going to be the same.
Speaker 1: They're going to pull back on the bunker. They're not
Speaker 1: going to interrupt the game.
Speaker 2: The referees probably won't be as harsh with their judgment
Speaker 2: of high tackles.
Speaker 1: What's a past mark?
Speaker 5: Common sense?
Speaker 9: Common sense is a pass mark? Like you can't put
Speaker 9: a number on what's right and what's wrong. But we
Speaker 9: speak about it all the time. The majority of people
Speaker 9: will sit down and they will agree what constitutes as
Speaker 9: send off, what constitutes has sin bin, and what's a
Speaker 9: penalty and what you let go.
Speaker 5: We just want to see common sense.
Speaker 2: Okay, what are we expecting then, more more so than
Speaker 2: a pass mark? Do we think that it's going to
Speaker 2: be a lot different this weekend from the conversation we
Speaker 2: had with the NLCO.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be significantly different.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think so too, But I wouldn't even want
Speaker 4: to try and forecast what it's going to look like.
Speaker 4: Like I mean, honestly, it's so all over the place
Speaker 4: at the moment, like I've got no I actually am
Speaker 4: worried about how it's.
Speaker 6: Going to go.
Speaker 4: We're not talking about magic round. If we're talking about
Speaker 4: Sinbin's on Monday morning, that's a failure for.
Speaker 6: The Can we live with if the referee misses it?
Speaker 9: Yes, for mate, that's what the mat We're always going
Speaker 9: to debate the game, mate, We're always going to debate
Speaker 9: the game. But they missed the Burton one the other day, right,
Speaker 9: I wasn't upset that they missed the Burton one. I
Speaker 9: was upset when they saw the Burton one they didn't
Speaker 9: Sinbinni all right.
Speaker 2: Circling back to des at the top of the show,
Speaker 2: we're going back there, and the reporter, which he caught
Speaker 2: my eye, am i ear said are you deflecting from
Speaker 2: the last four losses?
Speaker 4: Yes, Daz and Wayne Bennett are the masters of using
Speaker 4: the press to distract attention from their team. I've got
Speaker 4: no doubt that that's what des has done. I also
Speaker 4: don't understand why he's done his press conference this morning
Speaker 4: or earlier today and not after dropping David Tafita. I
Speaker 4: think that's prettyordinary from Deaz. I know Desert's mind games,
Speaker 4: and I love deserts so much anyone.
Speaker 1: He's done the press conference before, it looks.
Speaker 6: Like to me, that looks ridicuous.
Speaker 9: He could have been defending his reputation with the fact
Speaker 9: that Titans are at the top of the penalty things
Speaker 9: and he doesn't think that they're all fair and he
Speaker 9: doesn't think they're chemist right.
Speaker 4: You don't think Cruelsey should have spoken after dropping over
Speaker 4: for feeder from the team and explaining it to the
Speaker 4: fans and given the way that they're playing.
Speaker 3: I just think that's I think that's ordinary and I
Speaker 3: see that.
Speaker 9: As a different issue though, there's no question in the
Speaker 9: world you can't make excuses for the Titans performances this year,
Speaker 9: but you can also defend your club.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 4: But he can do it all with the one press
Speaker 4: conference later in the day gime. I know he does,
Speaker 4: but I mean the NRL, I think that's rubbish. I
Speaker 4: don't think the NRL should should let coaches, you know,
Speaker 4: dictate when they talk in the week, do it before
Speaker 4: the game.
Speaker 9: Well, there was a time, there was a time to
Speaker 9: where they used to make every player talk every every
Speaker 9: three weeks.
Speaker 5: Was that they all run their you know what I had.
Speaker 4: About it, because later in the week they're going to
Speaker 4: shove up two players. They're going to have to air
Speaker 4: the questions a bit. Why David Ffieda isn't in the
Speaker 4: team and not the coach Surgury.
Speaker 6: So that's something about Dave that no one knows. Sure
Speaker 6: they had a show.
Speaker 8: Sorry, he had an ankle reconstruction and he's struggled with
Speaker 8: pain in his ankle.
Speaker 1: Has pressure? Is he under pressure?
Speaker 5: Has to be under is his job on the line?
Speaker 2: Do you think they'd be considering other options or has
Speaker 2: he got some time here?
Speaker 1: What do we think? How long has he got? The
Speaker 1: way he's going at the moment is unders well.
Speaker 9: They're definitely underachieving, aren't they. And they're and they're throwing
Speaker 9: away good leads, which shows that they should be more
Speaker 9: competitive over eighty minutes?
Speaker 5: Is he under pressure? Who knows?
Speaker 9: Like, if you don't win football games, you're under pressure.
Speaker 9: That's how it works.
Speaker 4: Surely they've got to be you guys, tell me they've
Speaker 4: got to be doing better than the Tamos.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I thought I thought would be doing better, especially
Speaker 8: this year. This is does his second year. One thing
Speaker 8: I know about the organization that they're very loyal. You
Speaker 8: haven't heard anything out there? No, I haven't heard anything,
Speaker 8: but I don't go there either. The last game I
Speaker 8: was there was a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Probably not going to tell you anyway, because you sitting here,
Speaker 2: Can you please tell them?
Speaker 6: I need to break a story?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 2: Let's take a look at the ins and out's around
Speaker 2: nine thanks to sports Bett, and here they are a
Speaker 2: couple of big ones this week is the teams are
Speaker 2: on out today white and at five eight Dodd on
Speaker 2: the extended bench, Ily has dropped for the Dragons, King
Speaker 2: Tommy are named at half or five eight, whichever one.
Speaker 2: David Fafeeda demoted to the reserves list for the Titans,
Speaker 2: Garner a place in McClean at center for the Panthers,
Speaker 2: and Reynolds chosen for the Broncos despite that shoult Or injury.
Speaker 2: Now we'll get to the Dragons, but quickly, let's talk
Speaker 2: about Lewis Dodd and him not getting a run this week.
Speaker 6: What's our take on this.
Speaker 5: It's a massive story, really, isn't it.
Speaker 9: Like you can't you can't hide from the fact he's
Speaker 9: on seven hundred thousand dollars a year.
Speaker 5: He's chilling up seven hundred thousand dollars a year. They're
Speaker 5: short of halves.
Speaker 9: They haven't got Cody, they haven't got Humphreys at the moment,
Speaker 9: and he's moved Jack Whiton.
Speaker 1: Why won't they pick Obviously he's not playing well enough,
Speaker 1: well enough, He hasn't played that much well.
Speaker 5: He's obviously way in New South Wales.
Speaker 6: Doesn't think that he's first grade ready or he's good
Speaker 6: enough to play.
Speaker 9: He's picked Jack White and at five eight this week
Speaker 9: he's moved him from centers.
Speaker 5: They're already short Latrell. It suggests to me.
Speaker 1: That he's no Cody, no Latrell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, it is what it is, isn't it. They
Speaker 5: haven't picked him. You can't make excuses for it.
Speaker 4: I remember we talked about this in Vegas on the
Speaker 4: on the show when we were there for the start
Speaker 4: of the season.
Speaker 3: It was always going to be a bubbling issue. It
Speaker 3: just seems to be