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Speaker 1: Is it fitsy and with her with Kate ki podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hi, welcome to the Educate podcast. This is Kate.

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Speaker 3: I'm here with Jess and Lizzie my swifties. I am

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Speaker 3: learning so much. I'm sounding like an expert in the

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Speaker 3: car with my nine year old daughter, but there is

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Speaker 3: still much to learn ahead of the concerts, definitely, which

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Speaker 3: are only around the corner. Lizzie, you have something to

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Speaker 3: take me through today.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 1: So what I want to talk about today is Taylor's

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Speaker 1: Version and what that means. So you've probably seen obviously

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Speaker 1: over the past few years she's been re releasing her

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Speaker 1: albums and naming them Taylor's Version. Yes, and people kind

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Speaker 1: of get what it means the gist of it, but

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Speaker 1: you know, with Taylor there's always deeper roots as to

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Speaker 1: why she does things and what we're going to go through,

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Speaker 1: what the importance is leading up to the ears to

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Speaker 1: her as to why it's so significant that she's been

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Speaker 1: re recording her albums and taking back her voice essentially

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Speaker 1: what was hers.

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Speaker 3: Now Because the way I've relayed this to my daughter

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Speaker 3: and what she has told me when we choose to

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Speaker 3: listen to Taylor in the car, she thinks she's a

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Speaker 3: little bit of an expert, She'll say. And I know, mummy,

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Speaker 3: we are listening to nineteen eighty nine Taylor's version, and

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Speaker 3: that's because their Taylor's song, and that means she gets

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Speaker 3: the money. But I'm guessing that's well, that's the top

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Speaker 3: line kind of business. But as you're saying, there's always

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Speaker 3: way way more to it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean, there always is with her, and that's

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Speaker 1: why we love her. So we're going to go through

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Speaker 1: why she decided to do it, how it all began.

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Speaker 4: It's not the nicest of stories.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to go through what someone called Scooter

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Speaker 1: Braun has to do with it.

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Speaker 3: I thought his name would come up. He is also

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Speaker 3: Justin Bieber's or was manager or something like he.

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Speaker 2: Who is this guy?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he manages Justin Bieber, Demi Levado, Ariana Grande,

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Speaker 1: and at one point Kanye West. So all those people,

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Speaker 1: especially Kanye, you can imagine there's already I mean, that

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Speaker 1: would be a separate episode in itself, and we won't

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Speaker 1: do that too much.

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Speaker 5: We have to beat the whole thing correct, correct, And

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Speaker 5: Lizzie am I writing saying as well, the importance of

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Speaker 5: talking through Taylor's version. In relation to the Ears Too,

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Speaker 5: because we are on the countdown, is that there almost

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Speaker 5: wouldn't be what we now know as the Eras Tour

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Speaker 5: without the Taylor's versions having happened. Because of these re releases,

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Speaker 5: We've now got all these new songs from the vault.

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Speaker 4: We're looking back at all the.

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Speaker 5: Past albums and the Eras, and she decided I've got

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Speaker 5: all this music out that maybe people are hearing for

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Speaker 5: the first time because they might have joined, you know,

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Speaker 5: in the pandemic and listened to folklore that they're now

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Speaker 5: going back each time I re release an album and

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Speaker 5: they're into these eras. So why don't we put a

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Speaker 5: whole tour together? So off like quite a bad thing,

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Speaker 5: which you'll talk us through, we've actually got this great thing,

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Speaker 5: which is The Ears Too, which we're counting down to.

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Speaker 3: Do you think she's waited to do this tour until,

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Speaker 3: I mean, everything's well planned.

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Speaker 2: Do you think she's waited to do this tour in

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Speaker 2: particular and revisit all of the albums when she kind

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Speaker 2: of owns the music?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 2: How is that? And when you say it wouldn't have happened,

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Speaker 2: it wouldn't happen with now I mean Baylor's version.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, it just wouldn't happen in the way that

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Speaker 5: in this the way that the Ears two is broken

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Speaker 5: down is that each era minus I think debut, sort

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Speaker 5: stack of five or so songs. I think it's why

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Speaker 5: the concerts so long, at like three and a half

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Speaker 5: which we would be hearing midnight, and then you'd get

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Speaker 5: like your Love Story, Shake it Off, those sort of

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Speaker 5: songs that everyone knows because she knows that their crowd favorites. Instead,

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Speaker 5: we're getting these huge blocks of different songs and getting

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Speaker 5: to relive each era with her. But the other thing

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Speaker 5: she was actually meant to a Lover the album which

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Speaker 5: and then since Midnights, which means we have all these

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Speaker 5: albums that haven't had a two hours, So she has

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Speaker 1: It's time, It is time, It's time.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if we go all.

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Speaker 1: The way back to two thousand and five, guys, When

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Speaker 1: she was fifteen, she was signed a record deal with

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Speaker 1: Big Machine Records, which was owned by someone we know

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Speaker 1: and she was with them for ten years. So she

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Speaker 1: recorded debut, which is it's known as debut, but it's

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Speaker 1: also titled Taylor Swift Fearless Speak Now Read nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: nine and Reputation. So she recorded all those albums with

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Speaker 1: Braun comes along and he purchased Big Machine Records for

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Speaker 1: three hundred million dollars. The reason that that's an issue

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Speaker 1: is because Taylor was already in the process of trying

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Speaker 1: from Scott for Shehedd. They never reached a deal that

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Speaker 1: felt satisfactory to her, and so she was planning to

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Speaker 1: leave anyway. But she was always planning to leave her

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Speaker 1: music behind, as she penned in a post on Tumblr

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Speaker 1: to her fans.

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Speaker 4: Back then, she was.

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Speaker 1: Very active on Tumblr. She was in her little Tumblr era.

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Speaker 3: When you mean the music behind, you mean with that

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Speaker 3: record label, Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 2: I can't take it. With me.

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Speaker 5: I think the deal that he offered her, if I

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Speaker 5: remember this correctly, was for each album she then released,

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Speaker 5: so it stopped at Reputation, which I think was her

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Speaker 5: seventh album. For each next album she released, she would

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Speaker 5: then own one of her albums before. So essentially she

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Speaker 5: had to give him seven more albums in order to

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Speaker 5: own fourteen, okay, And that just wasn't a deal that sat.

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Speaker 1: Well with her, No, and rightfully so, I just think

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Speaker 1: that's so he just would have gone to her forever basically,

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Speaker 1: so she made the.

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Speaker 4: Big, brave decision to leave.

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Speaker 1: But what she didn't know, and what she found out

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Speaker 1: Scooter Braun had bought Big Machine Records for three hundred million.

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Speaker 1: And the reason she was so upset by that, I mean,

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Speaker 1: She was devastated. She was absolutely devastated. She'd had she

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Speaker 1: much she was uncomfortable with Scooter Braun in general, and

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Speaker 1: in her Tumblr post she penned in her letter to

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Speaker 1: the fans, she said, all I could think about was

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Speaker 1: the incessant, manipulative bullying I've received at Scooter Braun's hands

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Speaker 1: for years, like when Kim Kardashian orchestrated an illegally recorded

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Speaker 1: Scooter has stripped me of my life's work that I

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Speaker 4: Essentially, my musical legacy is.

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Speaker 1: About to lie in the hands of someone who tried

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Speaker 4: Taylor Swift, what up?

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Speaker 1: Which in terms of silencing women and silencing women's voices.

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Speaker 4: It's just so I just find that's so hurtful.

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Speaker 5: There was another one at the time, I remember, and

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Speaker 5: Scooter had posted it on his story, you know when

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Speaker 5: someone uploads and tags you and you can reshare, And

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Speaker 5: It was the picture of the article that got released

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Speaker 5: saying that she bought it or sorry that he'd bought

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Speaker 5: the masters, and the friend had captioned when Scooter Braun

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Speaker 5: buys Taylor Swift and now owns her, and then he

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Speaker 5: had reshared that to his story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that just didn't see it.

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Speaker 3: Well another whole level too, It isn't it because it's not.

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Speaker 3: I mean, the music industry is a business like any

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Speaker 3: other business. But I guess when you personalize it like

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Speaker 3: thorn in Taylor's side. I can't believe not only do

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Speaker 3: But then on the other hand, act like silly, silly,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's rolling salt in the wound. And I think, yeah,

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Speaker 5: It was you either give me the albums and you

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Speaker 4: Of the process you get nothing.

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Speaker 1: And Scott wosh Hada knew that Taylor was really uncomfortable

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Speaker 1: So then enter Kelly Clarkson, Beautiful Kelly Clarkson, We love her.

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Speaker 1: So when this When this all broke, it was obviously

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Speaker 4: Taylor Swift obviously wrote that beautiful letter to her fans

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Speaker 4: about it. She actually asked the fans to, you know,

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Speaker 1: And try and help her get it back, you know,

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Speaker 3: For want of a better analogy, it's like her baby,

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Speaker 3: totally everything, the piece of her.

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Speaker 2: It is absolutely yeah, and I think back.

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Speaker 1: To like women's lived experiences. It's it can never just.

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Speaker 1: What she created was so powerful and it was it

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Speaker 1: And to have that stripped away from her horrific.

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Speaker 1: So Kelly Clarkson actually tweeted in response to all this,

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Speaker 2: Now, I knew he would sell my music. I knew

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Speaker 6: I couldn't believe who he sold it to because we've

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Speaker 4: Now, could you re record?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you like that.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of it almost sounds like it's well planned.

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Speaker 2: Of us, some more than most, some a little higher

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Speaker 7: She needed cold heart proof, SOA gave her a song.

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Speaker 4: She gets the house, the kids kiss.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that. I love that. That's just colardless.

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Speaker 5: Of her writing that song and being like, not only

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Speaker 3: It's so good, So surely Taylor wouldn't meddle.

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Speaker 3: You know, well there must be I mean, when you're

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Speaker 3: you saw that today. I mean, he's honestly going to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what if anyone reads this story today.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I just I reckon.

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Speaker 5: She's like to her Mum, she's like mum, that little

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Speaker 4: They get a chance to sweep.

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Speaker 2: It's a rage.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you know.

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Speaker 3: And if you're ever having an argument with a woman

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Speaker 7: These we your little webs of asy my.

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Speaker 2: Pennies made You're grown.

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Speaker 4: Chim once twice, don't you know?

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Speaker 5: I love that the best bit is the first two words,

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Speaker 5: let me play it again. Slader Boy, Spider Boy, SB,

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Speaker 2: Oh that's really obvious.

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Speaker 4: And that's what we're going to do. Every week.

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Speaker 1: So mighty is Ricochet, which is from Folklore. One of

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Speaker 4: Who was like a father to her. Scott Fullshadow was

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Speaker 1: Many years, I think it stings in a whole new

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Speaker 4: So we'll play you a little bit from that, and that.

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Speaker 4: Anywhere. And you claim she still miss me yours and

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Speaker 5: I mean that song because with Taylor songs, they're so

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Speaker 5: I can just hear the whole story of her master's

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Speaker 4: It's just such a powerful song and such a great

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Speaker 1: It's one of the songs she sings with the most conviction,

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Speaker 4: That's obviously a pretty.

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Speaker 1: Issue, but like it's so it's so powerful and I

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, go all in all? Are you okay?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? You Lizzie money to take a minute? Yeah, all

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Speaker 1: It's incredible that what she's done with Taylor's versions, it's

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Speaker 1: truly amazing, iconic shows stopping. But I think it's important

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Speaker 1: that you have all this backstory before you go to

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Speaker 1: the concert so you can feel feel into it just

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Speaker 1: as deeply as we're all going to about her reclaiming

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Speaker 1: her voice, and that's that's like where her feminism lies.

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Speaker 1: That's her whole thing of Like if I want to

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Speaker 1: write about boys on my bedroom floor, that's valid enough, just.

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Speaker 4: Because it's what I want to say.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and no man can ever take that from me,

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Speaker 1: and he won't ever again.

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Speaker 4: Powerful stuff?

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Speaker 1: Was he?

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Speaker 4: How do you feel?

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Speaker 3: I know we've done other educate podcasts, but we talked

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Speaker 3: a lot about maybe a bit more of the gossip

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Speaker 3: around or maybe that. Whereas I think this is really interesting,

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Speaker 3: and I think this is what knowing these stories about

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Speaker 3: her make her so much more interesting, and you kind

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Speaker 3: of want to.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's a tailor religion, isn't it, Because now.

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Speaker 3: That I'm armed with this information and don't worry, I

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Speaker 3: can't call myself a swifty just yet you want to

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Speaker 3: make knock on everyone's door and say, look, I.

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Speaker 2: Know you think you know Taylor, but you ain't heard

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Speaker 2: anything yet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you ain't been educated. You haven't been educated yet.

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Speaker 3: And as you said, to have so much more depth

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Speaker 3: around the songs and the experience that will be the

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Speaker 3: concert I think is actually really nice.

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Speaker 2: Was that a bit heavy?

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Speaker 4: And no love that?

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Speaker 5: I love that?

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Speaker 4: The fit and with with Kate Chi podcast.

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Speaker 5: I think to wrap it up, why don't you talk

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Speaker 5: us through because we challenged you to listen to My

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Speaker 5: Tears Ricochet. Obviously, the Taylor desography is huge, Cat, I

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Speaker 5: don't know how we're going to get through it in

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Speaker 5: the next like twenty six days.

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Speaker 2: Well we won't, Yeah, we probably won't.

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Speaker 5: But we signaled this song out or we picked this

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Speaker 5: song for you because it is such an important one

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Speaker 5: in this story, so you had to listen to it

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Speaker 5: My Tears Ricochet.

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Speaker 4: What's your take from it? What did you think while

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Speaker 4: you were listening to it?

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Speaker 3: Well, it's funny that we've covered a little bit of

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Speaker 3: My Tears Ricochet today because now I'm thinking about Taylor

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Speaker 3: and Scooter Braun and perhaps the Stolen Lullabies. But for

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Speaker 3: me and I'm thinking this, maybe where you're coming from, too,

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Speaker 3: Lizzie is that it's a story of heartache and a

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Speaker 3: broken heart and much more than a broken heart, but

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Speaker 3: like a really ugly, messy, soul destroying parting of ways

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Speaker 3: that is kind of and I haven't I don't know

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Speaker 3: if there's a clip. Is there a clip, a video clip? No?

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Speaker 3: No oh, because I refrained from looking for it because

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Speaker 3: I thought she's going to deliver me maybe like am

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Speaker 3: I going to see Taylor Swift in a coffin?

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Speaker 2: Because it felt like it.

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Speaker 3: Was the death of something, you know, and the fact

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Speaker 3: that he's he well, I'm assuming and for me maybe

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Speaker 3: as far as relationships go, the man's there that the

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Speaker 3: ex boyfriend or the ex husband, and he knows how

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Speaker 3: painful it is. And there's my favorite line is very

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Speaker 3: early on where she sings even on my worst.

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Speaker 2: Day, did I deserve babe all the hell you gave me?

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Speaker 3: And that actually makes me really upset because even the

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Speaker 3: way she I've listened to this song a thousand times

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Speaker 3: before you even asked me to, is that that part

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Speaker 3: of the verse is actually quite soft, and it feels

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Speaker 3: like she's a bit broken and she's there's a bit

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Speaker 3: of begging going on, like, d I really, why did

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Speaker 3: you do this? Why we hear I'm a bit dead inside?

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Speaker 3: You know it, I know it, and not only do

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Speaker 3: you know it? And then she gets a bit angry yes,

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Speaker 3: and she's like, not, only do you know that this

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Speaker 3: is all so painful? And I really broke down and

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Speaker 3: I didn't handle it with Grace.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't go of go. It's my favorite bit, go

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Speaker 2: with Grace. This is not the best version of me.

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Speaker 2: Part of that is to do with you.

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Speaker 3: And the worst thing is that you've rocked up here

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Speaker 3: acting like you're sad about this, when in actual fact,

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Speaker 3: my downfall has.

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Speaker 2: Been at your hands. I love it. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that's what I will. I'm not quietly that's what I

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Speaker 2: grew out of it. Agree.

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Speaker 1: Like as I said to you guys on our little

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Speaker 1: tailored text chain, it was my breakup song and I

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Speaker 1: love that bit of I didn't have it in myself.

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Speaker 4: To go with Grace.

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Speaker 1: I just didn't have it in me for so many reasons,

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Speaker 1: one of them being how you treated me.

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Speaker 3: And it's the perfect song to finish out my review.

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Speaker 3: It's a good one to have a cry to. I

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Speaker 3: know you've said you've had a cry before, and I

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Speaker 3: think the tears that my tears ricochet is like because

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Speaker 3: I think sometimes when you go through hard things, whatever

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Speaker 3: it may be, and for us maybe is that it

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter how much pain you're feeling and how many

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Speaker 3: tears you cry, you're not even feeling you know, I

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Speaker 3: feel alone in this. My tears ricochet kind of, they

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Speaker 3: bounce off you, and you're still being this person and

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Speaker 3: you're holding court and you're acting as though you're wishing

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Speaker 3: I'd stayed.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even think.

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Speaker 5: About it like that, But it's like all that what

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Speaker 5: you said so beautiful, so upsetting, and you're so distraught

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Speaker 5: over it, you're crying, and then the tears just ricochet

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Speaker 5: off that person. They don't even well like, yeah, that ye,

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Speaker 5: but I've never thought of it, And so what you've

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Speaker 5: just said is like hit home in a really deep way.

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Speaker 4: Obviously for both of us.

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Speaker 2: Right, I'm sorry looking at I can't end on a

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Speaker 2: sadd and that's what that's now. I'm just on a

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Speaker 2: roll now.

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Speaker 3: But like, that's what's really painful about those things, that

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Speaker 3: when you think you're alone in it and you're being

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Speaker 3: you're the guy, and you're out there living your greatest

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Speaker 3: life and none of my pain is affecting you at all.

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Speaker 4: And you helped me so much with my breakup.

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Speaker 1: I'm getting emotional turn off, turn mic off.

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Speaker 4: Okayuz he's going down.

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Speaker 3: What I need from Kate is to thank you at

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Speaker 3: least I do something good around here. Of that I

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Speaker 3: have until night, and I haven't invoiced you for that therapy.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I'm Kate. Out of ten, what do you

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Speaker 4: rate the song it's actually for you?

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Speaker 3: Well, I think it's one of my favorites. But I'm

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Speaker 3: loath to give it too many. But I'm giving it

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Speaker 3: an h.

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Speaker 4: I could have picked you giving it an eight.

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Speaker 2: Conservative?

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Speaker 5: Eight?

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Speaker 2: Is that too conservative?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: No, No, that's good.

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Speaker 4: That's good.

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Speaker 5: I mean we'll delve into in each week another song

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Speaker 5: and we can see where your ratings actually sick. I mean,

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Speaker 5: if some of them get a little higher than others,

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Speaker 5: I'll be shocked.

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Speaker 4: But we'll tell you when to calm down. That's right.

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Speaker 4: You'll be like, you need to calm down, and then

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Speaker 4: she'll say me E will be like, look what you

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Speaker 4: made us do.

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Speaker 2: When we're not talking about Taylor Swift, we are listening

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Speaker 2: to her.

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Speaker 5: Sure are can't get enough of her. Nova Taylor's version, guys,

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Speaker 5: is where it's at. It's our twenty four seven Taylor

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Speaker 5: Swift station, all.

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Speaker 2: A day, every day.

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Speaker 3: It's available now to stream via the Nova website and

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Speaker 3: the Nova Player app.

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Speaker 5: I've even jumped on there announced some of the songs

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Speaker 5: picked my favorite.

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Speaker 2: You played them, have you? Yeah, he's lots of fun,

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Speaker 2: You're a queen, You're a busy girl.

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Speaker 4: I just loved it, loved intoing it, like there's nothing better.

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Speaker 5: I'm sitting on the Taylor station and just listening to

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Speaker 5: twenty four to seven Taylor.

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Speaker 2: I'm really trying to think of the lyric of a

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Speaker 2: song or the name of a song to tell you to.

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Speaker 4: Like, well, what do you want to articulate and I'll

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Speaker 4: pick one off the tailor two.

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Speaker 2: You're working so hard.

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Speaker 4: That's because I'm the man.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's in Whippa with Kate Ritchie is a Nova

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Speaker 1: podcast A great shows like this.

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Speaker 3: Download the Nova Player fine the app store or Google

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Speaker 3: playing the player