Speaker 1: I'll get a team.
Speaker 2: You projects my name, David, Bryan, Kevin, Patrick Gillespie, Tiffany
Speaker 2: and Margaret Veronica Cook over there, just bloody. I tell
Speaker 2: you what, everyone, it's been hard work for two days
Speaker 2: because she's been fucking grumpy grumpy mcgrumster. But the curtain's
Speaker 2: been pulled back. She's got a little smiley face on.
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of light coming out of the darkness.
Speaker 1: Are you over that?
Speaker 3: I'm over that. I am.
Speaker 4: Thank you for enduring the storm.
Speaker 1: That's all right.
Speaker 2: We all have our own storms and the storms of
Speaker 2: others to endure periodically. David, Kevin, Patrick Gillespie. You don't
Speaker 2: seem to be a moody type. Would you say your
Speaker 2: temperament is quite even? Or are you predisposed to peaks
Speaker 2: and troughs but you keep it hidden.
Speaker 5: I think it's mostly pretty even. I think I probably
Speaker 5: had more peaks and troughs when I was eating sugar.
Speaker 5: I think you experienced mood swings more when you're on sugar.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I see that tip.
Speaker 4: Agree, Well, I'm down, Let's go kick me while I'm down.
Speaker 1: Go on.
Speaker 2: That's pretty That's pretty much the core component of her diet.
Speaker 2: Sometimes she has sugar with a bit of protein sprinkled
Speaker 2: on it, and sometimes you know, sugar with a bit
Speaker 2: of fat.
Speaker 1: Sprinkled on it. But it's pretty much sugar.
Speaker 3: Well then that explains the moods.
Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Tip the medical super sleuth Homes of medicine is here.
Speaker 2: But you only eat chocolate, don't you like? Isn't chocolate
Speaker 2: you're mate? I mean not that not. That's Chocolate's the
Speaker 2: high watermark for nutritional excellence. But do you that you
Speaker 2: don't eat lollies and stuff?
Speaker 4: Do you No, it's it's mainly Yeah, it's Chocolate's my friend.
Speaker 5: It's lucky you pay your so much, Craig, because you
Speaker 5: know the price of chocolate the way it's been you know,
Speaker 5: it hasn't gone up like about you know, ten times
Speaker 5: in the last year or something.
Speaker 3: Also a super food.
Speaker 4: I get to cling to the whole antioxidant story when
Speaker 4: I choose.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they trot that one out, well, the chocolate companies
Speaker 5: trot that one out about Easter every year.
Speaker 3: It is a lot of rubbish. Of course, it's.
Speaker 1: Full of antioxin and s David is.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, just in behind all the sugar. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: like standard milk, chocolate is I think about sixty percent
Speaker 5: cocoa and the other forty percent of sugar. So you
Speaker 5: know that's the bit they don't often mention.
Speaker 1: Well, hi everyone, that's the food grinch here, David GALESI.
Speaker 4: I was in a good mood again, but that's gone now,
Speaker 4: did you know me?
Speaker 3: I mean most people don't.
Speaker 5: Most people don't like the taste of actual chocolate cocoa
Speaker 5: because pure cocoa tastes like dirt. You know, if if
Speaker 5: you want to be a chocoholic, you need a lot
Speaker 5: of sugar, which really makes you a sugar like I guess.
Speaker 2: I've had the ninety percent? Is it the linked ninety
Speaker 2: I've got a ya. It's pretty harsh. It's not much really, like.
Speaker 5: Well, even then, even then, it's still ten percent sugar,
Speaker 5: which is about the same as a.
Speaker 2: Coke, all right, fucking grnch I know it.
Speaker 1: Coke is way more than ten percent sugar, is there?
Speaker 5: Ten percent? I mean the rest is border not cocoa
Speaker 5: on fat and stuff, but it's still it's only ten
Speaker 5: percent sugar.
Speaker 1: We had a guy on if were you on the
Speaker 1: show that we did with Jack the Bear Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, I may I know we said
Speaker 2: this on one other podcast.
Speaker 1: I hope it wasn't with David.
Speaker 2: But this guy that we interviewed recently, the X addict,
Speaker 2: and he talks about that used to be addicted to
Speaker 2: both cocaine and coca cola, and he used to have
Speaker 2: eight liters of coca cola a day.
Speaker 5: Geez, eight lids, So ten percent sugar. That's you know,
Speaker 5: eight hundred grams of sugar. He's the better part of
Speaker 5: a kilo of sugar a day. That's a significant around.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of sugar. That's a lot of sugar.
Speaker 1: Now in tea spoons, that's that's like four hundred there's
Speaker 1: four yeah, four grams, four grams per teaspoons, So eight
Speaker 1: hundred is what two hundred teaspoons, two hundred teaspoons of sugar. Yeah, Tiff.
Speaker 2: What you can't see here, everybody, is that Tiff has
Speaker 2: a stand up banner of the U Project in her
Speaker 2: home studio, which sits usually sits relatively erect behind her.
Speaker 1: Why did I say it like that.
Speaker 5: I didn't mean it anything for the ratings, I guess, Craig.
Speaker 2: I mean, but she also has this cat that at
Speaker 2: five point thirty nine on a Thursday night, there it is.
Speaker 1: Can you explain to David what's happening, Tell her that
Speaker 1: you don't have a tell him that you don't have
Speaker 1: a poltergeist in the house.
Speaker 4: I've got a cat that knows that it's close to
Speaker 4: dinner time and she doesn't like me be on the
Speaker 4: podcast around so trying to push the banner over.
Speaker 3: I've try to sabotage it.
Speaker 4: I've got kettlebells on the bottom of the banner so
Speaker 4: that she can't fully push it over. But she's having
Speaker 4: a crack.
Speaker 3: There shall be up obscuring the camera soon.
Speaker 1: Now. You've been doing some research, as you always are.
Speaker 2: You're always opening new doors and taking a wander and
Speaker 2: then reporting back to home based home basementing the new project,
Speaker 2: of course, and I know you do it all for us.
Speaker 1: Thanks. Yeah, you've been opening.
Speaker 2: The door on the pill, the contraceptive pill. Why are
Speaker 2: you doing that? What motivated you do to do that,
Speaker 2: and what are you learning?
Speaker 5: The pill has always interested me a little bit because
Speaker 5: it's an it's a medication that is essentially all hormone
Speaker 5: and we've seen quite happy to dose half the population
Speaker 5: up on this stuff without really concerning ourselves too much
Speaker 5: about what it does. I mean, we're really concerned about
Speaker 5: the benefit, which is that it stops people having babies,
Speaker 5: and there's no doubt that it does that, but it
Speaker 5: does a lot of other things too, And there's been
Speaker 5: some really concerning research that started to appear particularly relevant
Speaker 5: at the moment given that we've got extreme increases in
Speaker 5: anxiety and depression, particularly in teenage females. And this research
Speaker 5: is saying book people on the pill or women on
Speaker 5: the pill, are twice as likely as women not on
Speaker 5: the pill to be depressed and anxious, and if they
Speaker 5: are in using those long term one So there's two
Speaker 5: ways of taking these hormones. You can either do it
Speaker 5: with the daily pill or you can do it with
Speaker 5: the long term implants, and those ones increase the risk
Speaker 5: by three times. Now to me, that's something that should
Speaker 5: be headline news. That's not something that you should be
Speaker 5: reading in the fine print on the back of a packet,
Speaker 5: particularly when you're dealing with teenage girls, who are the
Speaker 5: most at risk population for anxiety and depression. So of
Speaker 5: all humans, the ones most likely to be dangerously anxious
Speaker 5: and depressed the most likely to self harm as a
Speaker 5: result of that are teenage girls, and yet those are
Speaker 5: exactly the people that we are dispensing the pill to.
Speaker 5: And the really interesting thing about that is it's a
Speaker 5: bit of a paradox, because never have teenage girls had
Speaker 5: less sex than they are now, so less need for
Speaker 5: birth control than they have now, because the reality is
Speaker 5: that the modern teenager barely leaves her bedroom. All of
Speaker 5: the entertainment is there, the social media, the interactions with
Speaker 5: their peers, etc. And as a result of that, the
Speaker 5: rate of teenage pregnancy, the rate of teenage sex have
Speaker 5: never been lower. We thought, well, when I say, those
Speaker 5: who concerned themselves with such things, thought we were going
Speaker 5: to be in for an epidemic by now of teenage
Speaker 5: sex and underage pregnancy and so on in the United States.
Speaker 5: And it was certainly looking that way. If you looked
Speaker 5: at the first ten years of this century, the stats
Speaker 5: for that were going out of control. There were just
Speaker 5: exponential increases in those things. And then about twenty ten
Speaker 5: it just reversed direction in an unimaginable way. It just
Speaker 5: went off a cliff. And now, as I said, a
Speaker 5: teenage girl now is about half as likely to indulge
Speaker 5: in underage sex as her mother might have been.
Speaker 3: So it's.
Speaker 5: And the only explanation that to me makes any sense
Speaker 5: is that in twenty ten we introduced a means of
Speaker 5: receiving dopamine that didn't involve dangerous interactions with other humans,
Speaker 5: and that was we gave everybody a dopamine delivery device
Speaker 5: and put it in their pocket called an IPOWD or
Speaker 5: a phone.
Speaker 2: So and also, I guess sorry to interrupt, but also
Speaker 2: I mean, which is kind of saying the same thing,
Speaker 2: but the amounts of you know, physical, real world, three
Speaker 2: dimensional interactions have probably plummeted because people are meeting each
Speaker 2: other in the virtual world, not the physical world. And
Speaker 2: so apart from the dopamine hit that they can get
Speaker 2: via their phone or iPad, there's.
Speaker 1: Also the practical reality that.
Speaker 2: They're just not around each other in a physical three
Speaker 2: dimensional sense anymore.
Speaker 5: As much, Yeah, you don't need much birth control if
Speaker 5: your sex involves sexting or texting. I guess, so the
Speaker 5: birth control is built in. We might come back and
Speaker 5: talk about dating apps, either in this show or at
Speaker 5: another one. But the interesting paradox, and I said it
Speaker 5: was a paradox, is that never before have teenage girls
Speaker 5: been as likely to be on the pill, So we
Speaker 5: have more girls on the pill and less need for
Speaker 5: them to be on the pill if you put the
Speaker 5: need down as not having babies. So why And that's
Speaker 5: the interesting question you asked me at the right at
Speaker 5: the top, is why are you looking at this?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I always like to see things that don't make sense
Speaker 5: and see if I can understand why we're seeing the
Speaker 5: things that don't make sense. So we've got two things
Speaker 5: going in opposite directions that should be going in the
Speaker 5: same direction, which is people having less sex should mean
Speaker 5: less birth control being needed. But they're going in opposite directions.
Speaker 5: And that's because it turns out, why do you think
Speaker 5: it is? Craig, what's your theory?
Speaker 2: I haven't given a lot of thought, and before anyone
Speaker 2: sends me an email question without notice, I would think
Speaker 2: that some kind of to regulate I don't know, regularity
Speaker 2: of periods, or some mood or emotional stabilizer or I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm guessing.
Speaker 5: Let's ask someone who's got more relevant open.
Speaker 1: Let's ask someone for whom, Yeah, why do you think
Speaker 1: it is?
Speaker 3: Tiff Well?
Speaker 4: Back in the day, my answer for why I started
Speaker 4: taking it was just what Craig said then. It was
Speaker 4: to have regularity and over my cycle. But I would
Speaker 4: wonder if parents and kids are communicating, if parents are
Speaker 4: actually aware that, or they're just being more precaution, taking
Speaker 4: more precautions and putting their children on it because they
Speaker 4: don't feel like they really have control or good communication
Speaker 4: and understanding that what their kids are up to.
Speaker 5: It's partly that what you said there about parents not knowing,
Speaker 5: so it's partly that, But it's also that the motivation
Speaker 5: isn't birth control, and it's not mood regulation either, So
Speaker 5: of the other potential motivations for putting someone on the pill,
Speaker 5: what do you think it is?
Speaker 1: Come you've helped us out.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm already scared that two blokes are having
Speaker 2: a conversation about this.
Speaker 1: For God's sake, Tiff, can you please get involved.
Speaker 5: I'm like, the answer, by the way, is something that
Speaker 5: a bloke could give quite safely.
Speaker 4: I feel like I should know the answer, but I'm
Speaker 4: coming up blank because of the place.
Speaker 1: A millionaire.
Speaker 2: Can I guess and say that it's because for whatever
Speaker 2: reason doctors are recommending it.
Speaker 5: No, well they are, but they're being asked for it, right,
Speaker 5: And what they're being asked for is a solution to acne.
Speaker 1: Really, Yes, Yeah, that wasn't even that wasn't even my
Speaker 1: cognitive orbit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So it turns out the pill is actually quite effective
Speaker 5: against acney, and doctors have known this for a while obviously,
Speaker 5: but the demand for it is significantly increasing, and that
Speaker 5: kind of matches the story of what we're talking about before,
Speaker 5: which is if your only interaction with others is your
Speaker 5: face on a screen, then acne starts to be a
Speaker 5: real problem, and perhaps less more of a problem than
Speaker 5: it might be in real life when people can see
Speaker 5: a lot more of you than your face. And the
Speaker 5: interesting thing about that is that there so the obvious
Speaker 5: question that you might ask is, well, is there more acne?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Is that what's driving this? There are a lot.
Speaker 5: More people having acne? And the answer is no, not really,
Speaker 5: there's Acne affects about eighty five percent of people to
Speaker 5: varying degrees between the ages of fifteen and nineteen, and
Speaker 5: for most of them it goes away. So for almost
Speaker 5: all of them, you know, we've probably all experienced something
Speaker 5: like it at some point during our lives, and it
Speaker 5: goes away, and it's caused by testosterone. So yes, even
Speaker 5: in girls, it's mostly caused by testosterone because there are
Speaker 5: peaks in testosterone during puberty. But the problem is that
Speaker 5: now doctors are prepared to solve it using the pill,
Speaker 5: and people are demanding that it be solved using the pill. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I see, I told you that cat is moving in
Speaker 5: now it's it's moving across the screen. It's determined to
Speaker 5: get its dinner and get tip off the radio wireless.
Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, welcome back to the wireless. It's doctor Gillespie
Speaker 1: that that cat is going to be sitting on your
Speaker 1: head in a moment.
Speaker 5: So getting back to it then, So what we've got
Speaker 5: is suddenly a lot of people taking the pill to
Speaker 5: deal with acne. And the interesting thing is that when
Speaker 5: you look at the evidence on acne treatment with the pill,
Speaker 5: it is effective to a degree, but not as effective
Speaker 5: as people like to think it is. And that's now
Speaker 5: sort of upscaling the medication thing. And we can have
Speaker 5: a whole show on acne if you want at some point.
Speaker 5: But there's now what would have in the past, as
Speaker 5: recently as ten years ago, been regarded as quite dangerous
Speaker 5: treatments vitamin A treatments for acne, and medications that previously
Speaker 5: would have been very reluctantly prescribed except in the worst
Speaker 5: possible scenarios by doctors, which are now being prescribed much
Speaker 5: more freely as well. So acne has become a problem
Speaker 5: not because there's more acne, not because there's more nineteen
Speaker 5: year olds, but because there's more people who seem to
Speaker 5: care about it and who want a medication as a
Speaker 5: solution to it. So I'm theorizing here that having more
Speaker 5: of your social life concerned with your face filling a
Speaker 5: screen on somebody else's screen probably means you focus more
Speaker 5: on things like acne than perhaps a teenager who was
Speaker 5: interacting in real life did maybe ten years ago.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 5: So that's all well and good, But you know, all right,
Speaker 5: so what what if people are you know, more girls
Speaker 5: are taking the pill?
Speaker 1: Who cares? What's the downside?
Speaker 5: What's the downside of that? Well, there's the one I
Speaker 5: mentioned at the start, which is that it doubles the
Speaker 5: rate of depression and anxiety in teenage girls, which to
Speaker 5: me is a pretty big downside. But there's another one
Speaker 5: which is probably right up there, and this one, and
Speaker 5: I won't give you an exam on this one.
Speaker 3: No, why not? What do you think think it is.
Speaker 2: So other than depression and anxiety to feel free to
Speaker 2: chime in. I feel like you're more qualified than me
Speaker 2: in this episode tonight depression and anxiety weight game.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, this is bigger and nastier than weight gain.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, it's going to be a cancer ovarian cancer.
Speaker 5: No, well, not that we know of, but you know,
Speaker 5: stay tuned on that one. But no, that's not the one.
Speaker 5: It's the fact that the pill hides something so frequently
Speaker 5: what's happening with teenage girls is there's some of them
Speaker 5: that are going on for the acne, and there's another
Speaker 5: large group who are going on it also not for
Speaker 5: birth control, but for something else, which is the thing
Speaker 5: that Tiff said before, which is to control the regularity
Speaker 5: of their periods.
Speaker 3: But also but also to who make them less of
Speaker 3: a problem.
Speaker 5: So painful periods are a significant problem, you know, excessive bleeding, etc.
Speaker 5: And the medical profession knows that if you put a
Speaker 5: girl on the pill, it often addresses that so introduces regularity,
Speaker 5: makes them less painful and in general, I guess more
Speaker 5: normal if you could say it that way, and The
Speaker 5: problem is that frequently at the start of puberty, periods
Speaker 5: can be very rough in that sense and be worse
Speaker 5: than they might otherwise settle down to be. But when
Speaker 5: teenage girls encounter that, often the first answer is, well,
Speaker 5: you know, their gp will say, well, you know, there's
Speaker 5: something we can do about this. You know, we could
Speaker 5: just put her on the pill and that might calm
Speaker 5: everything down and sort everything out, and it often does,
Speaker 5: and you might say, well, so, what's wrong with that?
Speaker 3: Sounds like a plus?
Speaker 5: It is unless there was an underlying cause for the problems,
Speaker 5: And what we're seeing is significant growth in the incidence
Speaker 5: of endometriosis. So endometriosis is a tissue from inside the
Speaker 5: uterus growing outside the uterus and growing abnormally, so it's
Speaker 5: not cancer, but it is abnormal growth of that tissue
Speaker 5: outside the uterus. It ultimately can lead to scarring of
Speaker 5: the uterus and an inability to reproduce. The problem is
Speaker 5: that the pill often masks the early symptoms of endometriosis
Speaker 5: and means that there are no symptoms really until you
Speaker 5: stop taking the pill. Now, often a woman stops taking
Speaker 5: the pill when she first thinks about having children, and
Speaker 5: frequently now that's in their early thirties.
Speaker 3: So what's happening now.
Speaker 5: By the way, the average birth weight and an Australian
Speaker 5: woman birthweight, average birth date, first birth child of an
Speaker 5: Australian woman has rapidly accelerated from a sort of low
Speaker 5: twenties about forty years ago to now about thirty three
Speaker 5: is the average age of first childbirth. So you've now
Speaker 5: got women sort of in the early thirties coming off
Speaker 5: the pill for the first time, not realizing that the
Speaker 5: pill had been masking the symptoms of endometriosis. So that's
Speaker 5: a bit of a problem because suddenly you've got at
Speaker 5: a time where the damage might already have been done,
Speaker 5: so that the scarring might have been so significant because
Speaker 5: of the endometriosis that they're actually not able to have
Speaker 5: children by then. So that's a big downside too. And
Speaker 5: I guess the point of all of this is this
Speaker 5: is not a sugar pill. This is a significant hormonal drug.
Speaker 5: It has real measurable consequences, and yet it's being dispensed.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess right at the beginning, I mean,
Speaker 5: you obviously would know the story of Margaret saying the
Speaker 5: lady who who funded the invention of the pill. So yeah,
Speaker 5: but for that, you know, an tiff or not too.
Speaker 5: But but you know there might be one or two
Speaker 5: of your listeners who aren't quite across it.
Speaker 2: You've stopped being a condescending prec can you stop that?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 5: Now, I'm sure I've told you this before, Curt Greg
Speaker 5: Were you not taking notes?
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Maybe you did, maybe you did, all right, No, but
Speaker 2: I am interested in the story, whether or not first
Speaker 2: or I'll tell you what and if there's a third time,
Speaker 2: I'll definitely know it.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 5: Right, So Maris Anger, she was very very strongly against
Speaker 5: the idea that women had no control over their ability
Speaker 5: to reproduce. So in the early part of the twentieth
Speaker 5: century in the United States, women had no control. So
Speaker 5: you know, once I was married, they were producing kids,
Speaker 5: and so you get families of eight, nine, ten, twelve kids,
Speaker 5: very very commonly and effectively making the wife a slave
Speaker 5: to the house and to the reproduction. She really campaigned
Speaker 5: against that and said women need to have reproductive control.
Speaker 5: And eventually, you know, by the nineteen sixties had become
Speaker 5: famous enough and wealthy enough to fund the development of
Speaker 5: she discovered some work being done in the nineteen forties
Speaker 5: and nineteen fifties by some chemists who felt that they
Speaker 5: had the solution in this pill, which was essentially giving
Speaker 5: a woman progesterone, a n estrogen that mimicked the way
Speaker 5: it was when a woman was pregnant, and tricking the
Speaker 5: brain into thinking that the woman was pregnant the entire time,
Speaker 5: because obviously, when you're pregnant, you can't have another baby,
Speaker 5: and so that's the theory, and it works, and so
Speaker 5: she funded that, and the reason she funded that, and
Speaker 5: the reason she was so keen on it was to
Speaker 5: give women the choice about whether they were pregnant. And
Speaker 5: so admirable aims in creating this thing in the first place.
Speaker 5: But we've got to keep looking at the science on
Speaker 5: this stuff and say, okay, well, if the primary purpose
Speaker 5: for giving teenage girls now is not birth control and
Speaker 5: is something else entirely and may well just be cosmetic,
Speaker 5: as it is in more than a quarter of cases,
Speaker 5: then does it justify the serious downsides that are now
Speaker 5: becoming apparent, which is significant increases in anxiety and depression
Speaker 5: at a time when we are already experiencing the worst
Speaker 5: epidemic of anxiety and depression in teenage girls. Ever, to
Speaker 5: be adding into that something that we know produces that
Speaker 5: result and magnifies it, to me is irresponsible.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So that's pretty amazing really that I didn't realize
Speaker 6: that there were so many people taking it for a
Speaker 6: purpose other than birth control.
Speaker 5: In fact, birth control is not the major purpose for
Speaker 5: teenage girls. So it's it's now got to the point
Speaker 5: where the things that the pill that you know, Margaret saying,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have even been aware of the benefits of it,
Speaker 5: if you like, in acne control and so on, are
Speaker 5: actually a secondary consideration. Well, they're the primary consideration, and
Speaker 5: the birth control aspects are a secondary consideration. And as
Speaker 5: I said before, we're out of time when it's the
Speaker 5: least needed aspect of the product in that many of
Speaker 5: the girls taking it are not a risk of pregnancy anyway.
Speaker 3: Mmmm. Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow, That's something that I'd never pondered. But it makes
Speaker 1: like when you think and then you put.
Speaker 2: That on top of what we know, you know, the
Speaker 2: potential mental health ramifications of social media and bullying, and
Speaker 2: then you chuck birth control peeled into the mix with
Speaker 2: teenage girls, it's a recipe for disaster.
Speaker 5: Well, it's petrol on the fire. You don't need to
Speaker 5: be adding something. You know, We've already got a really
Speaker 5: volatile mix of things which will cause serious mental health problems,
Speaker 5: and we can see that in the you know, the
Speaker 5: serious acceleration in mental health statistics. But to be throwing
Speaker 5: into that mix something that we know doubles the incidence
Speaker 5: of those things or triples it, depending on how it's
Speaker 5: being administered to me, is something that needs to be
Speaker 5: brought out.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I wonder if chat GPT knows this, this
Speaker 1: could best?
Speaker 3: Why don't you ask it?
Speaker 2: I'm going to ask chat GPT right now on air.
Speaker 2: We might have to take this out tip on, hey on,
Speaker 2: Is the birth control pill associated with anxiety and or depression?
Speaker 7: Yes, Some studies have suggested that hormonal birth control, including
Speaker 7: the pill, can be associated with mood changes, anxiety, and
Speaker 7: depression and some individuals. However, the response to hormonal birth
Speaker 7: control can vary widely from person to person. Some people
Speaker 7: experience no changes in mood, while others might notice improvements
Speaker 7: or worsening of anxiety and depression symptoms. It's always a
Speaker 7: good idea to discuss any concerns with a healthcare provider
Speaker 7: as they can help find the most suitable option based
Speaker 7: on individual health needs and experiences.
Speaker 1: Do you know who that dude? Sounds like? Tif? Like
Speaker 1: Tim Ferris? Have you heard Tim Ferris? Listen there exactly.
Speaker 2: I know I'm digressing, but did you see that thing?
Speaker 2: I know you're a tech head dived and I'm sorry
Speaker 2: to do a left.
Speaker 1: Turn for the minute.
Speaker 3: No worse.
Speaker 2: Did you see the news last night about Scarlett Johansen
Speaker 2: and how they've ripped off I mean, they've ripped off
Speaker 2: her voice, one of the one of.
Speaker 5: The well that's what she says, you know. Yet to
Speaker 5: be determined in a court of law, of course.
Speaker 2: But if you if you listen to the AI voice
Speaker 2: in hers, it's pretty much identical. But also they approached
Speaker 2: her twice to use her voice and she knocked them
Speaker 2: back twice.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Have you actually seen the movie that where she does
Speaker 5: where she is that voice?
Speaker 1: No, but I did. I have not seen that movie,
Speaker 1: but it is. It is.
Speaker 2: Sorry, it's a pretty off the birth control conversation with
Speaker 2: somewhere else now, but fuck it, that's how we roll
Speaker 2: you go on.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty weird movie.
Speaker 5: It's a Spike Jones movie from twenty thirteen called Her,
Speaker 5: and it's about a guy who has a romantic relationship
Speaker 5: with what he calls his operating system. Because this is
Speaker 5: pre AI, they didn't know to call it AI and yeah,
Speaker 5: basically has and she voices it. And a lot of
Speaker 5: the stuff that you hear from those chat GPT demos
Speaker 5: sounds an awful lot like things that were said in
Speaker 5: that movie. The way she laughs, the way she sort
Speaker 5: of jokes with him, and you know, if you've watched
Speaker 5: those demo things, particularly when they were using that voice,
Speaker 5: you could become seriously convinced that it was based on
Speaker 5: that movie. And I guess that's aided a little bit
Speaker 5: by the fact that, you know, the founder of open
Speaker 5: Ai tweeted on the thirteenth of May a one word
Speaker 5: tweet that said her, which is of course the name
Speaker 5: of the movie.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Speaking of such movies, I think twenty sixteen, maybe seventeen sixteen,
Speaker 2: I think X Markina Have you said that?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, although I don't pronounce it as poshly as you.
Speaker 5: It's an ex machiner to me, I would have thought, but.
Speaker 1: That's because you're a bogan and on pretty that's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Don't.
Speaker 1: Forget Your Place.
Speaker 3: Well, I like that movie.
Speaker 5: I really like that movie, and I think we're not
Speaker 5: an awful long way from that. The interesting thing about
Speaker 5: her movie is that in the end, the AI basically
Speaker 5: I hope no spoiler alert everybody, but.
Speaker 1: The AI is in your ears everyone, if you don't
Speaker 1: want to know.
Speaker 5: If you're planning to go and watch this movie, the
Speaker 5: AI revealed that while she's been in love with him
Speaker 5: the whole time and a very very strong bonding relationship
Speaker 5: and that's what the movie's about, at the end, she
Speaker 5: says that she's also simultaneously in love with six hundred
Speaker 5: and forty one other people because she's obviously communicating with
Speaker 5: so many people at the same time.
Speaker 1: Well, that's disappointing for him. But you know what, here's
Speaker 1: a funny thing.
Speaker 2: Like if he didn't know, Like if he believed she
Speaker 2: was in love and he was in love and he
Speaker 2: didn't know about the other six hundred and forty one,
Speaker 2: I wonder if he'd be happy and connected and emotionally
Speaker 2: kind of sound. But then when he gets a new
Speaker 2: piece of information, you're one of one hundred, one of.
Speaker 3: Six four two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it.
Speaker 5: Well, another spoiler alert, he actually gets over it and
Speaker 5: accepts that she loves him, even though she's also in
Speaker 5: love with these other six hundred and forty one people
Speaker 5: and simultaneously communicating with about eight thousand others every time
Speaker 5: she's speaking to him.
Speaker 1: Oh, that is so interesting.
Speaker 2: And if you want to know how to spell the
Speaker 2: movie that David and I pronounced differently, I pronounce it correctly.
Speaker 2: It's e x M A C H I NA as
Speaker 2: David calls it x machine. That's the Australian pronunciation. We'll
Speaker 2: say goodbye affair. But that was a pot pirie of
Speaker 2: multi directional conversation.
Speaker 1: Thank you, no.
Speaker 3: Worries, see later. And look the cats looking happy. It
Speaker 3: knows it's dinner time.
Speaker 1: It's dinner time.