1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: I'll get a team. You projects my name, David, Bryan, Kevin, 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: Patrick Gillespie, Tiffany and Margaret Veronica Cook over there, just bloody. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: I tell you what, everyone, it's been hard work for 4 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: two days because she's been fucking grumpy grumpy mcgrumster. But 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: the curtain's been pulled back. She's got a little smiley 6 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: face on. There's a little bit of light coming out 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:23,479 Speaker 1: of the darkness. Are you over that? 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 2: I'm over that. I am. 9 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 3: Thank you for enduring the storm. 10 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: That's all right. We all have our own storms and 11 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: the storms of others to endure periodically. David, Kevin, Patrick Gillespie. 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: You don't seem to be a moody type. Would you 13 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: say your temperament is quite even? Or are you predisposed 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 1: to peaks and troughs but you keep it hidden. 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 4: I think it's mostly pretty even. I think I probably 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 4: had more peaks and troughs when I was eating sugar. 17 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 4: I think you experienced mood swings more when you're on sugar. 18 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 4: But yeah, I see that tip. 19 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: Agree, Well, I'm down, Let's go kick me while I'm down. 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: Go on. That's pretty That's pretty much the core component 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: of her diet. Sometimes she has sugar with a bit 22 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,479 Speaker 1: of protein sprinkled on it, and sometimes you know, sugar 23 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: with a bit of fat sprinkled on it. But it's 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: pretty much sugar. 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: Well then that explains the moods. 26 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: Okay, there you go. You're welcome. Tip the medical super 27 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: sleuth Homes of medicine is here. But you only eat chocolate, 28 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: don't you like? Isn't chocolate you're mate? I mean not 29 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: that not. That's Chocolate's the high watermark for nutritional excellence. 30 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: But do you that you don't eat lollies and stuff? 31 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: Do you No, it's it's mainly Yeah, it's Chocolate's my friend. 32 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 4: It's lucky you pay your so much, Craig, because you 33 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 4: know the price of chocolate the way it's been you know, 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 4: it hasn't gone up like about you know, ten times 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 4: in the last year or something. 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: Also a super food. 37 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: I get to cling to the whole antioxidant story when 38 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 3: I choose. 39 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, they trot that one out, well, the chocolate companies 40 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 4: trot that one out about Easter every year. 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 2: It is a lot of rubbish. Of course, it's. 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: Full of antioxin and s David is. 43 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, just in behind all the sugar. Yeah, so 44 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,959 Speaker 4: like standard milk, chocolate is I think about sixty percent 45 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 4: cocoa and the other forty percent of sugar. So you 46 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 4: know that's the bit they don't often mention. 47 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: Well, hi everyone, that's the food grinch here, David GALESI. 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,959 Speaker 3: I was in a good mood again, but that's gone now, 49 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 3: did you know me? 50 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: I mean most people don't. 51 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 4: Most people don't like the taste of actual chocolate cocoa 52 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 4: because pure cocoa tastes like dirt. You know, if if 53 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 4: you want to be a chocoholic, you need a lot 54 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 4: of sugar, which really makes you a sugar like I guess. 55 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: I've had the ninety percent? Is it the linked ninety 56 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: I've got a ya. It's pretty harsh. It's not much really, like. 57 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 4: Well, even then, even then, it's still ten percent sugar, 58 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: which is about the same as a coke. 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: All right, fucking grnch I know it. Coke is way 60 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: more than ten percent sugar, is there? 61 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 4: Ten percent? I mean the rest is border not cocoa 62 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 4: on fat and stuff, but it's still it's only ten 63 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 4: percent sugar. 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: We had a guy on if were you on the 65 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: show that we did with Jack the Bear Yeah, that's right. Yeah, 66 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't know, I may I know we said this 67 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: on one other podcast. I hope it wasn't with David. 68 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: But this guy that we interviewed recently, the X addict, 69 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: and he talks about that used to be addicted to 70 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: both cocaine and coca cola, and he used to have 71 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: eight liters of coca cola a day. 72 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: Geez, eight lids, So ten percent sugar. That's you know, 73 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: eight hundred grams of sugar. He's the better part of 74 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 4: a kilo of sugar a day. That's a significant around. 75 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: That's a lot of sugar. That's a lot of sugar. 76 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 5: Now in tea spoons, that's that's like four hundred there's 77 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 5: four yeah, four grams, four grams per teaspoons, So eight 78 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 5: hundred is what two hundred teaspoons, two hundred teaspoons of sugar. 79 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiff. What you can't see here, everybody, is that 80 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 1: Tiff has a stand up banner of the U Project 81 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: in her home studio, which sits usually sits relatively erect 82 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: behind her. Why did I say it like that. 83 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 4: I didn't mean it anything for the ratings, I guess, Craig. 84 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean, but she also has this cat that at 85 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: five point thirty nine on a Thursday night, there it is. 86 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: Can you explain to David what's happening, Tell her that 87 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: you don't have a tell him that you don't have 88 00:04:51,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: a poltergeist in the house. 89 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 3: I've got a cat that knows that it's close to 90 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 3: dinner time and she doesn't like me be on the 91 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: podcast around so trying to push the banner over. 92 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 2: I've try to sabotage it. 93 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 3: I've got kettlebells on the bottom of the banner so 94 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: that she can't fully push it over. But she's having 95 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 3: a crack. 96 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: There shall be up obscuring the camera soon. 97 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: Now. You've been doing some research, as you always are. 98 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: You're always opening new doors and taking a wander and 99 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,719 Speaker 1: then reporting back to home based home basementing the new project, 100 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,119 Speaker 1: of course, and I know you do it all for us. Thanks. Yeah, 101 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: you've been opening the door on the pill, the contraceptive pill. 102 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: Why are you doing that? What motivated you do to 103 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: do that, and what are you learning? 104 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:49,679 Speaker 4: The pill has always interested me a little bit because 105 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 4: it's an it's a medication that is essentially all hormone 106 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 4: and we've seen quite happy to dose half the population 107 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:07,679 Speaker 4: up on this stuff without really concerning ourselves too much 108 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 4: about what it does. I mean, we're really concerned about 109 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 4: the benefit, which is that it stops people having babies, 110 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 4: and there's no doubt that it does that, but it 111 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 4: does a lot of other things too, And there's been 112 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 4: some really concerning research that started to appear particularly relevant 113 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 4: at the moment given that we've got extreme increases in 114 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:44,200 Speaker 4: anxiety and depression, particularly in teenage females. And this research 115 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 4: is saying book people on the pill or women on 116 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 4: the pill, are twice as likely as women not on 117 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 4: the pill to be depressed and anxious, and if they 118 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 4: are in using those long term one So there's two 119 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 4: ways of taking these hormones. You can either do it 120 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 4: with the daily pill or you can do it with 121 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 4: the long term implants, and those ones increase the risk 122 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 4: by three times. Now to me, that's something that should 123 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 4: be headline news. That's not something that you should be 124 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: reading in the fine print on the back of a packet, 125 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 4: particularly when you're dealing with teenage girls, who are the 126 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 4: most at risk population for anxiety and depression. So of 127 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 4: all humans, the ones most likely to be dangerously anxious 128 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 4: and depressed the most likely to self harm as a 129 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 4: result of that are teenage girls, and yet those are 130 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 4: exactly the people that we are dispensing the pill to. 131 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 4: And the really interesting thing about that is it's a 132 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 4: bit of a paradox, because never have teenage girls had 133 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 4: less sex than they are now, so less need for 134 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 4: birth control than they have now, because the reality is 135 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 4: that the modern teenager barely leaves her bedroom. All of 136 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 4: the entertainment is there, the social media, the interactions with 137 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 4: their peers, etc. And as a result of that, the 138 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 4: rate of teenage pregnancy, the rate of teenage sex have 139 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 4: never been lower. We thought, well, when I say, those 140 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 4: who concerned themselves with such things, thought we were going 141 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 4: to be in for an epidemic by now of teenage 142 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 4: sex and underage pregnancy and so on in the United States. 143 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 4: And it was certainly looking that way. If you looked 144 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 4: at the first ten years of this century, the stats 145 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 4: for that were going out of control. There were just 146 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 4: exponential increases in those things. And then about twenty ten 147 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 4: it just reversed direction in an unimaginable way. It just 148 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 4: went off a cliff. And now, as I said, a 149 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 4: teenage girl now is about half as likely to indulge 150 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 4: in underage sex as her mother might have been. 151 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 2: So it's. 152 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 4: And the only explanation that to me makes any sense 153 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,959 Speaker 4: is that in twenty ten we introduced a means of 154 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 4: receiving dopamine that didn't involve dangerous interactions with other humans, 155 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 4: and that was we gave everybody a dopamine delivery device 156 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 4: and put it in their pocket called an IPOWD or 157 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 4: a phone. 158 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: So and also, I guess sorry to interrupt, but also 159 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: I mean, which is kind of saying the same thing, 160 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: but the amounts of you know, physical, real world, three 161 00:09:55,120 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 1: dimensional interactions have probably plummeted because people are meeting each 162 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: other in the virtual world, not the physical world. And 163 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: so apart from the dopamine hit that they can get 164 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: via their phone or iPad, there's also the practical reality 165 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: that they're just not around each other in a physical 166 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: three dimensional sense anymore. 167 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 4: As much, Yeah, you don't need much birth control if 168 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 4: your sex involves sexting or texting. I guess, so the 169 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 4: birth control is built in. We might come back and 170 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 4: talk about dating apps, either in this show or at 171 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 4: another one. But the interesting paradox, and I said it 172 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 4: was a paradox, is that never before have teenage girls 173 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: been as likely to be on the pill, So we 174 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,960 Speaker 4: have more girls on the pill and less need for 175 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 4: them to be on the pill if you put the 176 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 4: need down as not having babies. So why And that's 177 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 4: the interesting question you asked me at the right at 178 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 4: the top, is why are you looking at this? 179 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: Well? 180 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 4: I always like to see things that don't make sense 181 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 4: and see if I can understand why we're seeing the 182 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 4: things that don't make sense. So we've got two things 183 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 4: going in opposite directions that should be going in the 184 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: same direction, which is people having less sex should mean 185 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 4: less birth control being needed. But they're going in opposite directions. 186 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 4: And that's because it turns out, why do you think 187 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 4: it is? Craig, what's your theory? 188 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: I haven't given a lot of thought, and before anyone 189 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: sends me an email question without notice, I would think 190 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: that some kind of to regulate I don't know, regularity 191 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: of periods, or some mood or emotional stabilizer or I 192 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm guessing. 193 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 4: Let's ask someone who's got more relevant open. 194 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: Let's ask someone for whom, Yeah, why do you think 195 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: it is? 196 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 2: Tiff Well? 197 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: Back in the day, my answer for why I started 198 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: taking it was just what Craig said then it was 199 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: to have regularity and over my cycle. But I would 200 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 3: wonder if parents and kids are communicating, if parents are 201 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 3: actually aware that or they're just being more precaution, taking 202 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: more precautions and putting their children on it because they 203 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: don't feel like they really have control or good communication 204 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 3: and understanding that what their kids are up to. 205 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 4: It's partly that what you said there about parents not knowing, 206 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 4: so it's partly that. But it's also that the motivation 207 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 4: isn't birth control, and it's not mood regulation either, So 208 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 4: of the other potential motivations for putting someone on the pill, 209 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 4: what do you think it is? 210 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: Come you've helped us out. You know, I'm already scared 211 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 1: that two blokes are having a conversation about this. For 212 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 1: God's sake, Tiff, can you please get involved. 213 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 4: I'm like, the answer, by the way, is something that 214 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 4: a bloke could give quite safely. 215 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 3: I feel like I should know the answer, but I'm 216 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 3: coming up blank because of the pleasure. 217 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 5: A millionaire. 218 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: Can I guess and say that it's because for whatever 219 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: reason doctors are recommending it. 220 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 4: No, well they are, but they're being asked for it, right, 221 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 4: and what they're being asked for is a solution to acne. 222 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 1: Really, yes, yeah, that wasn't even that wasn't even my 223 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: cognitive orbit. 224 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. 225 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 4: So it turns out the pill is actually quite effective 226 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: against acney, and doctors have known this for a while obviously, 227 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 4: but the demand for it is significantly increasing, and that 228 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 4: kind of matches the story of what we're talking about before, 229 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 4: which is if your only interaction with others is your 230 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 4: face on a screen, then acne starts to be a 231 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 4: real problem, and perhaps less more of a problem than 232 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 4: it might be in real life when people can see 233 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 4: a lot more of you than your face. And the 234 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 4: interesting thing about that is that there so the obvious 235 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 4: question that you might ask is, well, is there more acne? 236 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 5: You know? 237 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 2: Is that what's driving this? There are a lot. 238 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 4: More people having acne, And the answer is no, not really, 239 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: there's Acne affects about eighty five percent of people to 240 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 4: varying degrees between the ages of fifteen and nineteen, and 241 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:51,040 Speaker 4: for most of them it goes away. So for almost 242 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: all of them, you know, we've probably all experienced something 243 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 4: like it at some point during our lives and it 244 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 4: goes away, and it's caused by testosterone. So yes, even 245 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 4: in girls, it's mostly caused by testosterone because there are 246 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 4: peaks in testosterone during puberty. But the problem is that 247 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 4: now doctors are prepared to solve it using the pill, 248 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 4: and people are demanding that it be solved using the pill. Yeah, 249 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 4: I see, I told you that cat is moving in 250 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 4: now it's it's moving across the screen. It's determined to 251 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 4: get its dinner and get tip off the radio wireless. 252 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: Ye, hello, everyone, welcome back to the wireless. It's doctor 253 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 1: Gillespie that that cat is going to be sitting on 254 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: your head in a moment. 255 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 4: So getting back to it then, So what we've got 256 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 4: is suddenly a lot of people taking the pill to 257 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 4: deal with acne. And the interesting thing is that when 258 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 4: you look at the evidence on acne treatment with the pill, 259 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 4: it is effective to a degree, but not as effective 260 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: as people like to think it is. And that's now 261 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 4: sort of upscaling the medication thing. And we can have 262 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 4: a whole show on acne if you want at some point. 263 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 4: But there's now what would have in the past, as 264 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 4: recently as ten years ago, been regarded as quite dangerous treatments, 265 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 4: vitamin A treatments for acne, and medications that previously would 266 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 4: have been very reluctantly prescribed except in the worst possible 267 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 4: scenarios by doctors, which are now being prescribed much more 268 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 4: freely as well. So acne has become a problem not 269 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 4: because there's more acne, not because there's more nineteen year olds, 270 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 4: but because there's more people who seem. 271 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: To care about it. 272 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 4: And who want a medication as a solution to it. 273 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 4: So I'm theorizing here that having more of your social 274 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 4: life concerned with your face filling a screen on somebody 275 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 4: else's screen, probably means you focus more on things like 276 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 4: acne than perhaps a teenager who was interacting in real 277 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 4: life did maybe ten years ago. 278 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 1: Wow. 279 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 4: So that's all well and good, But you know, all right, 280 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 4: so what what if people are you know, more girls 281 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 4: are taking the pill? 282 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 5: Who cares? What's the downside? 283 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,199 Speaker 4: What's the downside of that? Well, there's the one I 284 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 4: mentioned at the start, which is that it doubles the 285 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 4: rate of depression and anxiety in teenage girls, which to 286 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 4: me is a pretty big downside. But there's another one 287 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:56,199 Speaker 4: which is probably right up there, and this one, and 288 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 4: I won't give you an exam on this one. 289 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,640 Speaker 2: No, why not? What do you think think it is. 290 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: So other than depression and anxiety? To feel free to 291 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: chime in. I feel like you're more qualified than me 292 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: in this episode tonight Depression and anxiety weight game. 293 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 4: No, no, no, this is bigger and nastier than weight gain. 294 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: Okay, well it's going to be a cancer ovarian cancer. 295 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 4: No, well, not that we know of, but you know, 296 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 4: stay tuned on that one. But no, that's not the one. 297 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 4: It's the fact that the pill hides something so frequently. 298 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 4: What's happening with teenage girls is there's some of them 299 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 4: that are going on it for the acne, and there's 300 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 4: another large group who are going on it also, not 301 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 4: for birth control, but for something else, which is the 302 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 4: thing that Tiff said before, which is to control the 303 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 4: regularity of their periods. 304 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: But also but also to who make them less of 305 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 2: a problem. 306 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 4: So painful periods are a significant problem, you know, excessive bleeding, etc. 307 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 4: And the medical profession knows that if you put a 308 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 4: girl on the pill, it often addresses that so introduces regularity, 309 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 4: makes them less painful and in general, I guess, more normal. 310 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 4: If you could say it that way, and the problem 311 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 4: is that frequently at the start of puberty, periods can 312 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 4: be very rough in that sense and be worse than 313 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 4: they might otherwise settle down to be. But when teenage 314 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 4: girls encounter that, often the first answer is, well, you know, 315 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 4: their GP will say, well, you know, there's something we 316 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 4: can do about this. You know, we could just put 317 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 4: her on the pill and that might calm everything down 318 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 4: and sort everything out, and it often does. And you 319 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 4: might say, well, so, what's wrong with that? Sounds like 320 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 4: a plus? It is unless there was an underlying cause 321 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: for the problems. And what we're seeing is significant growth 322 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 4: in the incidence of endometriosis. So endometriosis is a tissue 323 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 4: from inside the uterus growing outside the uterus and growing abnormally, 324 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 4: so it's not cancer, but it is abnormal growth of 325 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 4: that tissue outside the uterus. It ultimately can lead to 326 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 4: scarring of the uterus and an inability to reproduce. The 327 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 4: problem is that the pill often masks the early symptoms 328 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:48,439 Speaker 4: of endometriosis and means that there are no symptoms really 329 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 4: until you stop taking the pill. Now, often a woman 330 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: stops taking the pill when she first thinks about having 331 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: children and frequently now that's in their early thirties. 332 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: So what's happening now. 333 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 4: By the way, the average birth weight and an Australian 334 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,919 Speaker 4: woman birthweight, average birth date, first birth child of an 335 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,000 Speaker 4: Australian woman has rapidly accelerated from a sort of low 336 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 4: twenties about forty years ago to now. About thirty three 337 00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 4: is the average age of first childbirth. So you've now 338 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 4: got women sort of in the early thirties coming off 339 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 4: the pill for the first time, not realizing that the 340 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 4: pill had been masking the symptoms of endometriosis. So that's 341 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 4: a bit of a problem because suddenly you've got at 342 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 4: a time where the damage might already have been done, 343 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 4: so that the scarring might have been so significant because 344 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 4: of the endometriosis that they're actually not able to have 345 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 4: children by then. So that's a big downside too. And 346 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: I guess the point of all of this is this 347 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 4: is not a sugar pill. This is a significant hormonal drug. 348 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 4: It has real measurable consequences, and yet it's being dispensed. 349 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 4: I mean, I guess right at the beginning, I mean, 350 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 4: you obviously would know the story of Margaret saying the 351 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 4: lady who who funded the invention of the pill. So yeah, 352 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,920 Speaker 4: but for that, you know, an tiff or not too. 353 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 4: But but you know, there might be one or two 354 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 4: of your listeners who aren't quite across it. 355 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: You've stopped being a condescending prec can you stop that? 356 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: Ah? 357 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,880 Speaker 4: Now, I'm sure I've told you this before, Curt Greg 358 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 4: Were you not taking notes? 359 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Maybe you did, Maybe you did, all right, No, 360 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: but I am interested in the story, whether or not 361 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: first or I'll tell you what and if there's a 362 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: third time, I'll definitely know it. 363 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 2: Good. Right. 364 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 4: So Maris Anger, she was very, very strongly against the 365 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 4: idea that women had no control over their ability to reproduce. 366 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: So in the early part of the twentieth century in 367 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:23,439 Speaker 4: the United States, women had no control. So you know, 368 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 4: once I was married, they were producing kids, and so 369 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 4: you get families of eight, nine, ten, twelve kids, very 370 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 4: very commonly and effectively making the wife a slave to 371 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:41,159 Speaker 4: the house and to the reproduction. She really campaigned against 372 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 4: that and said women need to have reproductive control. And eventually, 373 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 4: you know, by the nineteen sixties had become famous enough 374 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 4: and wealthy enough to fund the development of She discovered 375 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 4: some work being done in the nineteen forties and nineteen 376 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 4: fifties by some chemists who felt that they had the 377 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: solution in this pill, which was essentially giving a woman progesterone, 378 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,439 Speaker 4: a n estrogen that mimicked the way it was when 379 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 4: a woman was pregnant, and tricking the brain into thinking 380 00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 4: that the woman was pregnant the entire time, because obviously, 381 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 4: when you're pregnant, you can't have another baby, and so 382 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 4: that's the theory, and it works, and so she funded that, 383 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 4: and the reason she funded that, and the reason she 384 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 4: was so keen on it was to give women the 385 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 4: choice about whether they were pregnant. And so admirable aims 386 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 4: in creating this thing in the first place. But we've 387 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,399 Speaker 4: got to keep looking at the science on this stuff 388 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,160 Speaker 4: and say, okay, well, if the primary purpose for giving 389 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 4: teenage girls now is not birth control and is something 390 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 4: else entirely and may well just be cosmetic, as it 391 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 4: is in more than a quarter of cases, then does 392 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 4: it justify the serious downsides that are now becoming apparent, 393 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 4: which is significant increases in anxiety and depression at a 394 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 4: time when we are already experiencing the worst epidemic of 395 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 4: anxiety and depression in teenage girls. Ever, to be adding 396 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 4: into that something that we know produces that result and 397 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 4: magnifies it, to me is irresponsible. 398 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. 399 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's pretty amazing really that I didn't realize 400 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: that there were so many people taking it for a 401 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: purpose other than birth control. 402 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 4: In fact, birth control is not the major purpose for 403 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 4: teenage girls. So it's it's now got to the point 404 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 4: where the things that the pill that you know, Margaret saying, 405 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 4: I wouldn't have even been aware of the benefits of it, 406 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:07,120 Speaker 4: if you like, in acne control and so on, are 407 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 4: actually a secondary consideration. Well, they're the primary consideration, and 408 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 4: the birth control aspects are a secondary consideration. And as 409 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 4: I said before, we're out of time when it's the 410 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 4: least needed aspect of the product in that many of 411 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:28,400 Speaker 4: the girls taking it are not a risk of pregnancy anyway. 412 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,399 Speaker 2: Mmm. Wow. 413 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 1: Wow, that's something that I'd never pondered. But it makes 414 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: like when you think and then you put that on 415 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: top of what we know, you know, the potential mental 416 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: health ramifications of social media and bullying, and then you 417 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: chuck birth control peeled into the mix with teenage girls, 418 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: it's a recipe for disaster. 419 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 4: Well, it's petrol on the fire. You don't need to 420 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 4: be adding something. You know, We've already got a really 421 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,880 Speaker 4: volatile mix of things which will cause serious mental health problems, 422 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 4: and we can see that in the you know, the 423 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 4: serious acceleration in mental health statistics. But to be throwing 424 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 4: into that mix something that we know doubles the incidence 425 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,200 Speaker 4: of those things or triples it, depending on how it's 426 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 4: being administered to me, is something that needs to be 427 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 4: brought out. 428 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I wonder if chat GPT knows this, this 429 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: could best? 430 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 2: Why don't you ask it? 431 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to ask chat GPT right now on air. 432 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 1: We might have to take this out tip on, hey on, 433 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: Is the birth control pill associated with anxiety and or depression? 434 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 6: Yes, Some studies have suggested that hormonal birth control, including 435 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,199 Speaker 6: the pill, can be associated with mood changes, anxiety, and 436 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 6: depression and some individuals. However, the response to hormonal birth 437 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 6: control can vary widely from person to person. Some people 438 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,480 Speaker 6: experience no changes in mood, while others might notice improvements 439 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 6: or worsening of anxiety and depression symptoms. It's always a 440 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 6: good idea to discuss any concerns with a healthcare provider 441 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 6: as they can help find the most suitable option based 442 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 6: on individual health needs and experiences. 443 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 1: Do you know who that dude? Sounds like? Tif? Like 444 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: Tim Ferris? Have you heard Tim Ferris? Listen there exactly. 445 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: I know I'm digressing, but did you see that thing? 446 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: I know you're a tech head dived and I'm sorry 447 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 1: to do a left turn for the minute. No worse, 448 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: did you see the news last night about Scarlett Johansen 449 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: and how they've ripped off I mean, they've ripped off 450 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: her voice, one of the one of the. 451 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 4: Well that's what she says, you know. Yet to be 452 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 4: determined in a court of law, of course. 453 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,480 Speaker 1: But if you if you listen to the AI voice 454 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: in hers, it's pretty much identical. But also they approached 455 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: her twice to use her voice and she knocked them 456 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: back twice. 457 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 458 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 4: Have you actually seen the movie that where she does 459 00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 4: where she is that voice? 460 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: No, but I did. I have not seen that movie, 461 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 1: but it is. It is. Sorry, it's a pretty off 462 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: the birth control conversation with somewhere else now, but fuck it, 463 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: that's how we roll you go on. 464 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: It's a pretty weird movie. It's a Spike Jones movie. 465 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 4: From twenty thirteen called Her, and it's about a guy 466 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 4: who has a romantic relationship with what he calls his 467 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 4: operating system. Because this is pre AI, they didn't know 468 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 4: to call it AI and yeah, basically has and she 469 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 4: voices it. And a lot of the stuff that you 470 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 4: hear from those chat GPT demos sounds an awful lot 471 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 4: like things that were said in that movie. The way 472 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 4: she laughs, the way she sort of jokes with him, 473 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 4: and you know, if you've watched those demo things, particularly 474 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:16,400 Speaker 4: when they were using that voice, you could become seriously 475 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 4: convinced that it was based on that movie. And I 476 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 4: guess that's aided a little bit by the fact that, 477 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 4: you know, the founder of open ai tweeted on the 478 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 4: thirteenth of May a one word tweet that said her, 479 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 4: which is of course the name of the movie. 480 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: Wow. 481 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 1: Speaking of such movies, I think twenty sixteen, maybe seventeen sixteen, 482 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: I think X Markina Have you said that? 483 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 5: Yes? 484 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, although I don't pronounce it as poshly as you. 485 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,320 Speaker 4: It's an ex machiner to me, I would have thought, but. 486 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: That's because you're a bogan and on pretty that's right. 487 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 488 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: Don't Forget Your Place. 489 00:30:58,640 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 2: Well, I like that movie. 490 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 4: I really like that movie, and I think we're not 491 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 4: an awful long way from that. The interesting thing about 492 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 4: her movie is that in the end, the AI basically 493 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 4: I hope no spoiler alert everybody, but the AI. 494 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: Is in your ears everyone, if you don't want to know. 495 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 4: If you're planning to go and watch this movie, the 496 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 4: AI revealed that while she's been in love with him 497 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 4: the whole time and a very very strong bonding relationship 498 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 4: and that's what the movie's about, at the end, she 499 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 4: says that she's also simultaneously in love with six hundred 500 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 4: and forty one other people because she's obviously communicating with 501 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 4: so many people at the same time. 502 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Well, that's disappointing for him. But you know what, here's 503 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 1: a funny thing. Like if he didn't know, Like if 504 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: he believed she was in love and he was in 505 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: love and he didn't know about the other six hundred 506 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: and forty one, I wonder if he'd be happy and 507 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,720 Speaker 1: connected and emotionally kind of sound. But then when he 508 00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: gets a new piece of information, you're one of one hundred, 509 00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: one of. 510 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 2: Six four two. 511 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's interesting, isn't it. 512 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 4: Well, another spoiler alert, he actually gets over it and 513 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 4: accepts that she loves him, even though she's also in 514 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 4: love with these other six hundred and forty one people 515 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 4: and simultaneously communicating with about eight thousand others every time 516 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 4: she's speaking to him. 517 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,040 Speaker 1: Oh, that is so interesting. And if you want to 518 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: know how to spell the movie that David and I 519 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: pronounced differently, I pronounce it correctly. It's e x M 520 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: A C H I NA as David calls it x machine. 521 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: That's the Australian pronunciation. We'll say goodbye affair. But that 522 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: was a pot pirie of multi directional conversation. Thank you, no. 523 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: Worries, see later. And look the cats looking happy. It 524 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: knows it's dinner time. 525 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: It's dinner time.