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Speaker 1: Good a team. Welcome to another installment the You project.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday had the amazing Tammy van Wissa, who regaled us

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Speaker 1: with stories of swimming all over the world and ducking

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Speaker 1: fucking logs and snakes and having ongoing battles with infections

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Speaker 1: in the Murray River and swimming the English Channel multiple times,

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Speaker 1: and it was a great chat. We're back now. We're

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Speaker 1: just finishing the conversation, So welcome back, Tam.

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Speaker 2: Oh so good to see you again. Into be Beck.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: Oh it's like it's like we only stopped chatting minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: Really, I know, it really does feel like that.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, so let's continue the chat.

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Speaker 1: So we got all the swimming stuff. What do you

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Speaker 1: do now? Like, what does life look like? By the way,

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Speaker 1: happy birthday? So what is So your birthday is the

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Speaker 1: twenty third as we're recording this, of course it's still

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Speaker 1: at twenty second. I was being silly everyone, but this

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Speaker 1: is part two. And can I be really rude and

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Speaker 1: say that you're fifty five tomorrow?

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: No? Fifty six fifty six?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I don't even think about the numbers anymore.

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Speaker 3: I actually have to do check, Oh what year was like?

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Speaker 3: What an't others at sixty eight?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Okay, yes, I'll be fifty six tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Yes, apart from your incredibly different hair, I'm not even

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Speaker 1: saying this to make you feel good. You look about

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Speaker 1: five years older than when we used to hang out

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Speaker 1: together and train together and work together. You look so different,

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Speaker 1: so similar, I should say, like, you don't like I

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Speaker 1: look at me compared to them. I look my grand

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Speaker 1: like my granddad do not? I do?

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Speaker 2: So you you don't, No, you don't. Don't be silly.

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Speaker 3: I think we're all we're all super critical of ourselves,

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Speaker 3: aren't we Like it's just that's normal. But I think

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Speaker 3: the same of me. I look at myself and go,

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Speaker 3: oh gosh, holy is.

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Speaker 1: But you've got no fucking wringles anyway. So what do

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Speaker 1: you do now? What's the what's the story? How do

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Speaker 1: you feel in your days? Now?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: So I have just been through a very, very challenging

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Speaker 3: the moment, so to put you in the picture. So

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Speaker 3: rewinding the clock back to twenty twenty two and the

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Speaker 3: way that that unfolded, My mother passed away very early

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Speaker 3: on in twenty twenty two. She'd had dementia Alzheimer's for

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Speaker 3: seven years, and so I'd actually been caring for her

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Speaker 3: and it got to a point where she was in

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Speaker 3: an age care facility and so it was very very

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Speaker 3: difficult look a blessing in disguise because she didn't know

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Speaker 3: who I was for the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: So that was a very tricky situation.

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Speaker 3: So that happened, and then six months later I was

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Speaker 3: diagnosed with breast cancer. So that sort of really was

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Speaker 2: And it's funny the way things happened.

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Speaker 3: But i'd actually been to like this really awesome conference

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Speaker 2: And of course we just come out of COVID.

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Speaker 3: Being told that I'd need surgery and so making decisions

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Speaker 3: I am after the shop war off, I guess, you know,

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Speaker 3: I've always tried to keep sort of an optimistic mindset.

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Speaker 2: So went through all of that, had the operation, and.

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Speaker 1: I I just asked, did you have a double mistectomy

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Speaker 2: Taken both off. I don't care.

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Speaker 3: I had immediate implants put in, so I just thought, Wow,

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Speaker 1: Because there's a visual nobody needs.

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Speaker 3: But exactly exactly so anyhow, but yeah, but look the surgery,

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Speaker 3: A horrendous, horrendous experience, made worse because my oncologist had

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Speaker 3: And I was on iv anties antibiotics every eight hours

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Speaker 2: A couple of months. It was that bad. Wow.

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Speaker 2: So I actually had to take steroids like.

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Speaker 3: Leading in so you take the Why god, I know

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Speaker 3: So I did that and they warned me against it

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Speaker 1: It's like did they not know who they were talking?

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Speaker 1: Did you go bitch please? This is a fucking warm, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Absolutely and you know, I got changed so quickly because

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Speaker 2: Environment and I think with really good people.

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Speaker 3: Again just made me understand what a great team we

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Speaker 3: had at that time and the people that I had

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Speaker 3: around me, because I think in our last journey with everything,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's partially about your environment.

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Speaker 2: So it's the you know, it's your support people.

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Speaker 3: What they say that you're the sum of your five

446
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Speaker 3: closest friends, you know, and that's that's so true looking back,

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Speaker 3: Like my best friends are still from those days, like

448
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Speaker 3: from squat days, because we went through hell together, but

449
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 3: we would push each other and we would laugh about

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Speaker 3: it afterwards.

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Speaker 2: And so yeah, so I think.

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Speaker 3: That that's sadly missing today because we have become you know,

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Speaker 3: this wrapping cotton wool society.

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Speaker 2: And I even think.

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Speaker 3: About my parents, like, you know, when I first got

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Speaker 3: my driver's license, you know, you know, I'd be off

457
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Speaker 3: driving around and didn't have mobile phones.

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Speaker 2: They couldn't keep track of us.

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Speaker 3: And now you know, keeping tabs on, doing tracking devices

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Speaker 3: and everything. It's such a different mindset. It really has changed.

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Speaker 3: So I think life's always about a balance. There are

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Speaker 3: lots of good things about technology, but you know, getting

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Speaker 3: back to that old learning that you've got a lot

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Speaker 3: learn to love pain and discomfort.

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Speaker 2: You've just got to.

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Speaker 3: Learn to find that place where you sit with it

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Speaker 3: and no that that's where the growth happens and that's

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Speaker 3: where you get your greatest satisfaction, because honestly, it's not

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Speaker 3: about when I look back on all my assumes, it's

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Speaker 3: not about getting to the finish line that's super important

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Speaker 3: to me. It's about all the things I had to

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Speaker 3: do to get to the finish line, the kind of

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Speaker 3: person that I had to become to get to the

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Speaker 3: finish line, what I had to push through, you know,

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Speaker 3: and the help that I received from my team that

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Speaker 3: got me that little bit further as well, that helped

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Speaker 3: me get that mindset to push through. So that's where

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Speaker 3: the value is. Honestly, there's value in that, and I

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Speaker 3: think that's something that's missing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. I mean it's I get it.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, when we've got kids who

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Speaker 1: are playing sport, but oh we're not scoring because we

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Speaker 1: don't want anyone to feel like a loser, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: are you fucking kidding me. What's going to happen when

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Speaker 1: your kid gets out of this little synthetic bubble and

486
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Speaker 1: they step out into the world where there are winners

487
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Speaker 1: and losers every day, and there is pain and there

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Speaker 1: is pleasure, and there are peaks and drafts, and there

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Speaker 1: are people who want to undermine you, sabotage you, fuck

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Speaker 1: you over. You know that's not going away. So let's

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Speaker 1: let's not put them in, you know, the bubble wrap

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Speaker 1: until they're thirty. Let's not. Let's let's expose them to

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Speaker 1: a bit of reality so that they might develop some

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Speaker 1: resilience and some awareness and some you know, let's not

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Speaker 1: throw them under the bus. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: let them score the fucking football match for God's sake.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, no, that's just ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you. It is.

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Speaker 3: It is about gradually exposing them. You know, I do

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Speaker 3: understand the other side of the coin. But you know,

501
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Speaker 3: there's ways that you can expose them gradually to things

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Speaker 3: and let them fail and let them experience that, because

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Speaker 3: they are life lessons and it's only going to get

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Speaker 3: harder down the tracks. As you said, you know, if

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Speaker 3: life hasn't knocked you down yet, don't worry. It's coming,

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Speaker 3: you know for all of us, somewhere along the truck.

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Speaker 3: You know, there's you're going to lose someone. You know,

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Speaker 3: you're probably going to go through a health crisis. There

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Speaker 3: are things that are going to happen in your life

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Speaker 3: that are going to knock you for six And whether

511
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 3: you've got the tools to deal with that, well, you

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Speaker 3: know that all depends on how much resilience you have

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Speaker 3: and how much you've been exposed to it.

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Speaker 2: And if you can start by being exposed.

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Speaker 3: It's exactly like training, you know, it's about exposing you

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Speaker 3: in small doses.

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Speaker 2: You know, push the.

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Speaker 3: Envelope a little bit today, will push it a little

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Speaker 3: bit more tomorrow, and a little bit more the next day.

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Speaker 2: That's how you build up the resilience. That's how you

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Speaker 2: build muscle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you get strong? You work again though resistance.

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Speaker 1: How do you build skill competence? How do you perform

524
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Speaker 1: under pressure? Well, you perform under pressure in training. And

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Speaker 1: then when the game comes, all the race comes. How

526
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: you just quickly our last one? How are you now?

527
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Speaker 1: How's your body? How's your health? How's your energy?

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Speaker 2: My body's good, My energy is good.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's not I wouldn't say it's at one

530
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Speaker 3: hundred percent. But again I'm I'm learning about how to

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Speaker 3: manage my body differently now post surgery because I've still

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Speaker 3: got a health wise, cancer wise, I'm good. I actually

533
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Speaker 3: have to have a blood test in the next couple

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Speaker 3: of days. I have six monthly checkups. But I'm in mission,

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00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: so that's a good thing. Long term, there's a few

536
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: small hurdles to overcome, just you know, as a result

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00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:10,600
Speaker 3: of the surgery. So I'm still working on strengthening up

538
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 3: different chest muscles and trying to explore whether I can

539
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: swim properly again. So I can swim, but it's just different,

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00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: changing movement. Yeah, So I'm working on that. So that's

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Speaker 3: my next adventure is getting back in that order.

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Speaker 2: And seeing what I can do.

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Speaker 3: Got a few different limitations, but you know, I'm working

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Speaker 3: at how to work around those and get myself back

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Speaker 3: to that good place again and be fully functioning.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing. Tam You're awesome. You're an inspiration. I love

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Speaker 1: that I have you in my life. Although we don't

548
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Speaker 1: catch up, I appreciate you sharing some of you with

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Speaker 1: my audience. And let's go and have a coffee, shall we?

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Speaker 2: I love that. That'd be amazing. Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do that, Tammy van Wissa. How do you want

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Speaker 1: to point anyone towards anything like your web site or

553
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: books or speaking. How do people connect with you? Follow you?

554
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: How do they do that?

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00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 3: Well, they can do that on this amazing technology called Instagram.

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Speaker 3: And I do actually have the very it's dinosaur now

557
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: the website I've got Tammy Vanwisa dot com, So that's

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00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: probably the best place to go and land if you

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Speaker 3: want to learn more about my speaking or get in

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00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: contact with me.

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Speaker 2: So that would be fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that pleasure. If you want to get

563
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Speaker 1: your team pumped and inspired and focused from the best,

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Speaker 1: just hit her up. Hit her up. I'm the second best,

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Speaker 1: but she's the best. She's the goat.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Tammy, Thanks Grego