1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,440 Speaker 1: Good a team. Welcome to another installment the You project. 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Yesterday had the amazing Tammy van Wissa, who regaled us 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: with stories of swimming all over the world and ducking 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: fucking logs and snakes and having ongoing battles with infections 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: in the Murray River and swimming the English Channel multiple times, 6 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: and it was a great chat. We're back now. We're 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 1: just finishing the conversation, So welcome back, Tam. 8 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: Oh so good to see you again. Into be Beck. 9 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. 10 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: Oh it's like it's like we only stopped chatting minutes ago. Really, 11 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: I know, it. 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 2: Really does feel like that. 13 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: Oh my god. All right, so let's continue the chat. 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: So we got all the swimming stuff. What do you 15 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 1: do now? Like, what does life look like? By the way, 16 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: happy birthday? So what is So your birthday is the 17 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: twenty third as we're recording this, of course it's still 18 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: the twenty second. I was being silly everyone, but this 19 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: is part two. And can I be really rude and 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: say that you're fifty five tomorrow? Is that right? 21 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: No? Fifty six fifty six? 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, I know. I don't even think about the numbers anymore. 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: I actually have to do check, Oh what year was like? 24 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 3: What an't others at sixty eight? 25 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: Yes? 26 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 2: Okay, yes, I'll be fifty six tomorrow. 27 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: Yes, apart from your incredibly different hair, I'm not even 28 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: saying this to make you feel good. You look about 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: five years older than when we used to hang out 30 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: together and train together and work together. You look so different, 31 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: so similar, I should say, like, you don't like I 32 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: look at me compared to them. I look my grand 33 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 1: like my granddad do not? I do? 34 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,639 Speaker 2: So you you don't, No, you don't. Don't miss silly. 35 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 3: I think we're all we're all super critical of ourselves, 36 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: aren't we Like it's just that's normal. But I think 37 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: the same of me. I look at myself and go, 38 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 3: oh gosh, holy is. 39 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: But you've got no fucking wringles anyway. So what do 40 00:01:55,560 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: you do now? What's the what's the story? How do 41 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: you feel in your days? Now? 42 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: Okay? 43 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: So I have just been through a very, very challenging 44 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 3: couple of years. So I'm in a rebuild phase at 45 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: the moment, so to put you in the picture. So 46 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 3: rewinding the clock back to twenty twenty two and the 47 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: way that that unfolded, My mother passed away very early 48 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,960 Speaker 3: on in twenty twenty two. She'd had dementia Alzheimer's for 49 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 3: seven years, and so I'd actually been caring for her 50 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: and it got to a point where she was in 51 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 3: an age care facility and so it was very very 52 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 3: difficult look a blessing in disguise because she didn't know 53 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 3: who I was for the last couple of years. 54 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 2: So that was a very tricky situation. 55 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 3: So that happened, and then six months later I was 56 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: diagnosed with breast cancer. 57 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: So that sort of really was a big shock for. 58 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 3: Me, like there was a bit of the universe throwing 59 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 3: me a bit of a curve ball that I never 60 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 3: saw coming. 61 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 2: And it's funny the way things happened. 62 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: But i'd actually been to like this really awesome conference 63 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 3: where there was a number of speakers and there was 64 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 3: a woman who spoke and name's Kate Gail, and she 65 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 3: spoke about her breast cancer journey, and you know, basically 66 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: it was a really great wake up call because she 67 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 3: called us all to action and said, don't forget do 68 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:12,839 Speaker 3: your checks, get your mammograms. 69 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 2: And of course we just come out of COVID. 70 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 3: I hadn't had a mammogram, and you know, it wasn't 71 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 3: in front of mind by any stretch of the imagination, 72 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 3: so that that actually made me do a self check. 73 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,120 Speaker 3: And so I went to the GP, and sure enough, 74 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: within the space of a week, I was having biopsies 75 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: and thrown into this world of hearing all these. 76 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: New medical terms and. 77 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 3: Being told that I'd need surgery and so making decisions 78 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 3: about stectomies and implants. 79 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,839 Speaker 2: And all sorts of things. 80 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 3: I am after the shop war off, I guess, you know, 81 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 3: I'm kind of pretty lucky because, you know, the mindset 82 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 3: that I'd gained from, you know, the years of marathon assuming. 83 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 3: I've always tried to keep sort of an optimistic mindset. 84 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 3: So I sort of thought to myself when she was 85 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 3: explaining the options, I decided to get immediate implants put in, 86 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 3: and I just went, this is okay, I'm going to 87 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: get new boobs. I'm going to be but Kennie ready 88 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 3: for a change. 89 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: So went through all of that, had the operation, and. 90 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: I I just asked, did you have a double mistectomy 91 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: or I did? I did? 92 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 3: I decided to have a double I only had the 93 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: lump was found in my left breast. I decided that 94 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 3: just you know, for down the tracks returned. 95 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: Better to be sure than sorry, you've taken both off. 96 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 2: I don't care. 97 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 3: You know, it's fine. I'm not too concerned. So so 98 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: that's what I went for. And as I said, and 99 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: I had immediate implants put in, so I just thought, wow, 100 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:45,159 Speaker 3: I'm going to get the brand new boobs. 101 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,360 Speaker 2: I'm down to my knees anymore. That's that's got to 102 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: be a good thing, because. 103 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,239 Speaker 1: There's a visual nobody needs. 104 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: But thank you, exactly exactly, So anyhow, but yeah, but 105 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 3: look the surgery, you know, it was a big surgery, 106 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: and yeah, and there was a few complications and things 107 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: went wrong, and I ended up having to go back 108 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 3: in for three more surgeries. I actually got an infection 109 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: and the skin around the sutures became necrotic and one 110 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 3: of the implants had to be taken out. I had 111 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,479 Speaker 3: set to semia. They literally raced me into theater. My 112 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 3: drainage tube turned in a milky white color, so that 113 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 3: indicated set to seemia. So there was no option but 114 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: to take one of the implants out. 115 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: So yeah, so it was just it was a. 116 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 3: Horrendous, horrendous experience, made worse because my oncologist had said 117 00:05:40,040 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: to me that from the very first surgery that I 118 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 3: needed to start my chemotherapy regime twelve weeks from the 119 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 3: original surgery, because if you don't, it's eighty five percent 120 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,480 Speaker 3: less effective. 121 00:05:53,160 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 2: So I was on this. 122 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 3: I was back, you know, and of course you can't 123 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 3: start chemo until your body is fully rid of infection. 124 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 2: You have to be healthy. 125 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 3: And I was on iv anties antibiotics every eight hours 126 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: for nearly. 127 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: A couple of months. It was that bad. 128 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:09,239 Speaker 1: Wow. 129 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 3: So yeah, so I finally managed to get healthy enough 130 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: to get out of hospital. It was like a couple 131 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: of days before Christmas twenty twenty two, and then I 132 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: started my chemotherapy a couple of weeks later. 133 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: So that was in twenty last year. January last year. 134 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 3: Started chemotherapy D four rounds, so spaced three weeks apart. 135 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 2: And yeah, again, you know, just to. 136 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:38,720 Speaker 3: Such a foreign, surreal situation to find yourself in, to 137 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: be going into an oncology ward, and the just so 138 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 3: frightening to know that they're about to put this really 139 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: destructive chemical in your body that's going to get rid 140 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: of all the bad stuff, but it's also going to 141 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 3: get rid of all the good stuff. 142 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 2: So I actually had to take steroids like. 143 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 3: Leading in so you take the Why God, I know 144 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: why they're banned now. I was buzzing. I was just 145 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 3: bouncing off the walls taking my steroids. It was like 146 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: a weird experience too. So it's all these new things 147 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 3: that are happening. And I tried what they call cold 148 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 3: cap therapy, which is you wear this like cold cap 149 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 3: prior to starting your chemos It's part of your treatment 150 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 3: and apparently it's supposed to help save your hair so 151 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: you have less like less likely to lose your hair. 152 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: So I did that and they warned me against it 153 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: because they said, no, look, a lot of people have 154 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 3: trouble coping with it because it's really cold. 155 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 2: When you put it on your. 156 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 3: Head, you get headaches and you might need some panetiles 157 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: and stuff. So I'm sitting there in the first session 158 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: they've got the cap on. It's quite ironic because it's 159 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 3: like a swimming cap and they're pumping the cold water 160 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,239 Speaker 3: through and they're like, how do you feel? 161 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 2: Are you okay? And I'm like, does it get any colder? 162 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 2: Is this it? Like? 163 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: It's like did they not know who they were talking? 164 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: Did you go bitch? Please? 165 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 4: This is a fucking warm like, yeah, that's hilarious. They 166 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 4: have no idea. I had no idea, So that was 167 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 4: very funny. But look I tried that and it didn't work. 168 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 4: My hair started to fall out after my second chemo session. 169 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 3: And I have to tell you that I sat like 170 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: in misery for a couple of days over that because 171 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 3: it was like I worke up one morning and I 172 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: just had I saw all that like clumps on the pillow, 173 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: and you just start to touch your hair and it 174 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: just comes out. And it's funny how we get so 175 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: attached to her hair, well women, we get. 176 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: Very attached to her head. So I was cryed. I 177 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 2: was so upset. 178 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: And then I finally kind of you know, got myself 179 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: out of that, you know, really down part. Just I 180 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 3: said to my daughter, will you cut my hair? So 181 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,760 Speaker 3: we got the clippers out and we just shaved it 182 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: all off, and. 183 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: It was funny how I felt so much better after. 184 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: I guess taking back control of the situation barely changed 185 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 3: my mindset again. So yeah, then I was a bit like, 186 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 3: you know, who cares lost my hair? I'm going to this, 187 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 3: but I thought, you know what, I've lost my hair. 188 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 3: It means two things, especially the treatments working. Secondly, I'm 189 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 3: getting closer. 190 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: To the finish line of all of these. 191 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 1: So yes, and. 192 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: Throughout I tried to So I tried. 193 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: To still swim, get down to the pool and exercise 194 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 3: and walk and do a few things. It was again, 195 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 3: you know, different experiences, because the first time I got 196 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: down to the pool, I had a goal in min 197 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to sim two k's. I got in and 198 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 3: I did two laps and I thought I was going 199 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: to collapse. 200 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: I was so exhausted. Yes, but there was the stubborn. 201 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,760 Speaker 3: Part of me that said, there's no way I'm getting 202 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 3: out of this pool until I've done two k's. So 203 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 3: I did another couple of laps, rested, another couple of laps, rested, 204 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,079 Speaker 3: and then sort of came back again and I was 205 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 3: able to get a bit of momentum up. So I 206 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: did my two k's and got out. 207 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 208 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 3: So its just yeah, it was an interesting experience, and 209 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 3: of course, yeah it was good. I didn't have to 210 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: wear a cap for the first time in life. I 211 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 3: was so streamlined. 212 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,199 Speaker 1: That's funny. Lower drag cow efficient. That's the upside to 213 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: chemo is a lot less dragged through. 214 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:01,320 Speaker 3: The water absolutely, and you know I got changed so 215 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: quickly because I didn't have to go in the shower 216 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: and do the shampoo and the conditioner and the whole thing. 217 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,280 Speaker 3: So bam ready at a heartbeat. So lots of positive things. 218 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: So again, you know, my whole journey was about trying 219 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,319 Speaker 3: to you know, through Look, I'm not going to lie, 220 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: and so that I was like, you know, missed positive 221 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 3: the whole way through. But I was just trying to 222 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 3: always look for, you know, that little bit of light, 223 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 3: that little bit of fun, something, something that was positive 224 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 3: out of a bad situation. 225 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 2: So I got through the chemotherapy. 226 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: I went through a marriage breakdown in the middle of 227 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 3: the chemo therapy as well. So that was when when 228 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 3: was that That would have been February last year, right, yeah, 229 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 3: through March, yeah, very much last year. 230 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: Yeah right. 231 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 2: And then of course I finished my. 232 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 3: Chemo and then had to decide whether to proceed with 233 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,559 Speaker 3: radiation because my my cancer was the stage to be 234 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 3: they call it, which which meant early early detection, which 235 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 3: is really good. So you know, to all the listeners 236 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 3: out there, please go on have your checks because the 237 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: sooner they catch it, the better the prognosisis at the 238 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 3: end of the day. So I was very fortunate there. 239 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 3: But so you know, I had to talk to the 240 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 3: doctors and the oncologists to see whether it was worth 241 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 3: proceeding with radiation, and I decided to do it. You know, 242 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,599 Speaker 3: I wanted to tick every box, and everybody's different, but 243 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 3: I wanted. 244 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: To tick every box. 245 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 3: So then it was another So I had to go 246 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 3: through twenty five radiation treatments and that was yeah, every day, 247 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 3: five days a week. Yeah, So yeah, it was sort 248 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: of an interesting experience. And because it was on my 249 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: left side. So they get you to hold your breath 250 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 3: while they shoot the beams three and it's like a 251 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:38,319 Speaker 3: probably goes through about thirty seconds. 252 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: They do a few different zaps. So of course I. 253 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 3: Made the challenge, I've got to hold my breath for 254 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 3: the whole thirty seconds, and I did, and they actually 255 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 3: said to me at the end of the treatment that 256 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: I was one of the few people that actually held 257 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 3: their breath for the whole time, because normally. 258 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 2: That to stop in the middle of it. So it 259 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:55,959 Speaker 2: was interesting. 260 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 3: Again the swimming, I just found there were so many benefits, 261 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 3: residual benefits from all the crazy long distance. It was 262 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 3: that got me through the cancer treatment as well. So 263 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 3: you finished like June last year. And so my hair, 264 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 3: as you mentioned before, is now growing back dark. I was, 265 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 3: you know, I wasn't full blonde. I was light brown 266 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: and I used to have blonde highlights put through. But 267 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 3: now I'm like really dark and I've got super like megacurls. 268 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: Like like you look like a different I mean other 269 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: than your face, but your hair. When I knew you, 270 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: your hair was very light and it was almost like 271 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: we could see you from one hundred meters away with 272 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 1: your hair. Your shock of your shock of blonde ish hair. 273 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: And now can you've got like you look like a fuckingpooit, 274 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: like like a spoodle? Can you say golliwog these days? 275 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I don't think you're aloud to say that, 276 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: but you do you look do you know who? You 277 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: look like? You remind me of Annie, you know, like 278 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 1: there's short, curly yes. So okay, So a couple of things. 279 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: My first question is, like I've known you for a 280 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: long time. We haven't caught up a long time, but 281 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: you and I spent quite a bit of time together, 282 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 1: like in the gym, but also training and hanging out 283 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: a little bit. And I'm not saying this because we're 284 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: on a podcast and it's convenient, but if somebody said 285 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: to me and I had time to think about it, 286 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, with all the athletes I've worked with and 287 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: you know, corporates and the general public, thousands of people, 288 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: and of tens of thousands of people, and all the 289 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: trainers that worked for me, and like, you are, without 290 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: doubt in the top five people that I've ever known 291 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 1: for positivity, like and not not in a you know, 292 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,559 Speaker 1: like you've got your head in the sand and you're 293 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: pretending there are no problems, but you are genuinely like 294 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: like a tip positive. Is that who you are? Is 295 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: that innate or is that something that you work to 296 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,319 Speaker 1: be or a bit of both. 297 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 2: I think it's a bit of both. 298 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: I think it really is a bit of both, because 299 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 3: you know, as I said, I especially in the last 300 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 3: couple of years, you know, is really I've been beaten 301 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: down a lot, and I've found myself. I've learned again 302 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: lots of lessons, mostly about how important it is to 303 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 3: have a great, a great support network. And it was 304 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: so and I guess you know, for me, probably the 305 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: biggest change too, was learning about my own well being 306 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 3: and self care and to take time out because you know, 307 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: when you're an athlete, you feel guilty about not doing things, 308 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 3: like you're so driven that you're always like, this is 309 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 3: much a do list. I'm going to get why has 310 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: that done today? So yeah, I'm happy to admit that's 311 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 3: one of my faults. I'm, you know, always wanting to 312 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 3: achieve a lot. So I really had to take my 313 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 3: foot off the pedal. And do you know what if 314 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 3: I only get out of bed and have a shower. 315 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 2: Today and that's okay, then that's okay if that's on 316 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: my bike. 317 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 3: I had to listen to my body as well, and 318 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: whilst you know, it's good to push it, like I 319 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 3: said in the pool, you know, look I felt like 320 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: I could keep going, so I did. 321 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 2: I just gave myself that recovery. 322 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: But you know, I really had to just slow down 323 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 3: and I reconnected a lot in nature too. I found 324 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 3: going for walks and going to the beach like this 325 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 3: was my big recharge. I think, you know, nature's like 326 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: our battery recharger and we need to just plug in 327 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 3: and walking. I went down to lawn, I got away 328 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 3: and I had like a week down at lawn and 329 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 3: just walked on the beach, swam in the ocean, and 330 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 3: I can't tell you how much that just replenished. 331 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 2: So I did learn a lot through it. But look, 332 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: I worked to stay positive. I really do. 333 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: I honestly, I think probably part of my upbringing because 334 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 3: my parents were very positive people. They taught me about gratitude. 335 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 3: They helped a lot of people, so, you know, they 336 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: fostered a Vietnamese family. We lived in Springvale, and so 337 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 3: you know, they helped the a Vietnamese family, both people that 338 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: have come out, so they you know that we were 339 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 3: forever helping people. They were always help people. And again, 340 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: you know, hearing my dad talk about the war and 341 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 3: how he grew up. Always used to say to us, 342 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: if you've got a roof over your head and food 343 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: on the table, you are super lucky. 344 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 2: You are blessed, you know. So I think sometimes we get. 345 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: Really caught up in the things we have, and so 346 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: I kind of try and always bring myself back to that, like, yeah, Okay, 347 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: happiness doesn't have to be about living in a big 348 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 3: house and you know, having all the things. 349 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 2: It's you know, it's what you make it. 350 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: It's really your world is in here, and so you 351 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: create what you want. So I think it's you know, 352 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: it's been a really good I guess I've been lucky. 353 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 3: The environment I've grown up in has really helped shape 354 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: my mindset as well. 355 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: But I do work on it. I do work. 356 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's it's a credit to you 357 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: and you're like your energy is infectious. A couple of 358 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: things before we head to all the finish line. So 359 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: one of the things that I've spoken to a bunch 360 00:17:18,119 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: of athletes about over the years is who they are 361 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 1: beyond their sport, and this sense of loss that happens 362 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 1: when people stop doing the thing that they're good at 363 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: and known for and held in high regard for, you know. 364 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: So it's almost like what you do becomes who you are. 365 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: It becomes your identity, your sense of self, self worth 366 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: and all of that for a lot of athletes anyway, 367 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: and when that stops a lot of athletes kind of 368 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: don't know who they are because if I'm not doing that, 369 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 1: and if I'm not that guy or that girl, if 370 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: I'm not winning, if I'm not whatever, if I'm not competing, 371 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: if I'm not breaking records, or I'm not playing Grand 372 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: Finals or whatever it is. I don't know who I am. 373 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: Was there any of that for you? 374 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely absolutely. 375 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 3: It is very tricky to make the transition, especially when, yeah, 376 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 3: that is your identity, that's how people introduce you, that's 377 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 3: help people see you. So breaking away from that and 378 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 3: trying to find your value elsewhere it's really really difficult. 379 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 3: And as I mentioned before, I think it's done a 380 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 3: lot better now because athletes are prepared while they're still 381 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 3: in their athletic career. You know, they're transitioned a lot better. 382 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 3: But back back in my day, there was nothing, so 383 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 3: you kind of discover all of that yourself. So again, 384 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 3: you know, I was super lucky. A lot of my stems, 385 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 3: like the Maury was about raising awareness about the water quality, 386 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 3: so I did transition into doing quite a bit of 387 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 3: environmental work there with the federal government. So I actually 388 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 3: met with the Prime Minister after I finished the Murray 389 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: swim and spoke about, you know, what I'd experienced firsthand. 390 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 3: So there was a few things going on that help 391 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,400 Speaker 3: me transition there that was still related back to my swimming. 392 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 3: So but it was I guess, and an easy and 393 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:11,399 Speaker 3: easing into it. And also that the speaking, and I 394 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: did a bit of swim coaching as well, because I 395 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 3: have a swim school. 396 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: So I love I just love helping people. 397 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: I just you know, I love being able to pass 398 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 3: on what I've learned, the knowledge that I've garnered, and 399 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 3: you know, whether that be about mindset or the physical 400 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 3: part about swimming, is really lovely to help people. I think, 401 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 3: you know that really that really fills my bucket. So yeah, 402 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 3: so that's made it easier. But yeah, look, it is. 403 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: It is a tricky thing to do, and I think 404 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:38,719 Speaker 3: because it's just it's your whole life, for say, man, 405 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,719 Speaker 3: like that's all you're doing in your training, that's all 406 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 3: you are. 407 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,760 Speaker 2: So yeah, you. 408 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: Do you still have a swim school now? 409 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 2: I do. Yes, Paul's had a swim land in Mary Warren. 410 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, cool, what about this kind of like that, 411 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: like right now more than ever understandably, you know, we 412 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: try to protect to our kids, make sure they're safe mentally, emotionally, 413 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 1: physically safe of course, but I guess sometimes you know, 414 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 1: like I always say, life doesn't give a fuck about 415 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: your feelings right now, if you're ten or twenty or 416 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: thirty or forty, life still doesn't care about your feelings. 417 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,199 Speaker 1: Mum and Dad might, but life doesn't. Right, So we 418 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: know that bad things happen to good, good people. And 419 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: what's that balanced tend between looking after them but letting 420 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: them experience a level of discomfort slash pain because you know, 421 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: becoming an elite swimmer is painful, Like it is not fun, 422 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,760 Speaker 1: like the training, the competition. It is physically painful. How 423 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: do you I mean, do you ever think about that? 424 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: Because it you know, even with me, I have to 425 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 1: really be careful about what I say because some people like, oh, 426 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,919 Speaker 1: you're fucking brutal. I'm like, you think I'm brutal, Wait 427 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: till life kicks you in the dick, right, yeah, wait 428 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 1: till you guess breast cancer? Like tell me then if 429 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,439 Speaker 1: I'm brutal, I'm not brutal compared to cancer. I'm just 430 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,360 Speaker 1: fucking trying to pull back the curtain on what's probably 431 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: going to happen. How do you navigate that? Or it's 432 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: not something you think about? 433 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 2: So I actually do think about it. But this is 434 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 2: going to sound really weird. 435 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 3: But the pain and the hard work was like I 436 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 3: loved that, Like I actually really enjoyed that I thrived 437 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: in that, Like that's something that I miss, to be 438 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: honest with you, like being able to push yourself to 439 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 3: that level. And I think it was because of I 440 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: was in a squad environment and I think with really 441 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: good people again just made me understand what a great 442 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 3: team we had at that time and the people that 443 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 3: I had around me, because I think in our last 444 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 3: journey with everything, you know, it's partially about your environment. 445 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 2: So it's the you know, it's your support people. 446 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: What they say that you're the sum of your five 447 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 3: closest friends, you know, and that's that's so true looking back, 448 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 3: Like my best friends are still from those days, like 449 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 3: from squat days, because we went through hell together, but 450 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: we would push each other and we would laugh about 451 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 3: it afterwards. 452 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 2: And so yeah, so I think. 453 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 3: That that's sadly missing today because we have become you know, 454 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: this wrapping cotton wool society. 455 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: And I even think. 456 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 3: About my parents, like, you know, when I first got 457 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 3: my driver's license, you know, you know, I'd be off 458 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 3: driving around and didn't have mobile phones. 459 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: They couldn't keep track of us. 460 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 3: And now you know, keeping tabs on, doing tracking devices 461 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 3: and everything. It's such a different mindset. It really has changed. 462 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,679 Speaker 3: So I think life's always about a balance. There are 463 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 3: lots of good things about technology, but you know, getting 464 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 3: back to that old learning that you've got a lot 465 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 3: learn to love pain and discomfort. 466 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 2: You've just got to learn. 467 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 3: To find that place where you sit with it and 468 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 3: no that that's where the growth happens, and that's where 469 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 3: you get your greatest satisfaction, because honestly, it's not about 470 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 3: when I look back on all my assumes, it's not 471 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,199 Speaker 3: about getting to the finish line that's super important to me. 472 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 3: It's about all the things I had to do to 473 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,119 Speaker 3: get to the finish line, the kind of person that 474 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 3: I had to become to get to the finish line, 475 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 3: what I had to push through, you know, and the 476 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:24,960 Speaker 3: help that I received from my team that got me 477 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 3: that little bit further as well, that helped me get 478 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 3: that mindset to push through. So that's where the value is. Honestly, 479 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 3: there's value in that, and I think that's something that's missing. 480 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. I mean, it's I get it. 481 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: But at the same time, when we've got kids who 482 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: are playing sport, but oh we're not scoring because we 483 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,199 Speaker 1: don't want anyone to feel like a loser, I'm like, 484 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: are you fucking kidding me. What's going to happen when 485 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: your kid gets out of this little synthetic bubble and 486 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: they step out into the world where there are winners 487 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: and losers every day, and there is pain and there 488 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: is pleasure, and there are peaks and drafts, and there 489 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: are people who want to undermine you, sabotage you, fuck 490 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: you over. You know that's not going away. So let's 491 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: let's not put them in, you know, the bubble wrap 492 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: until they're thirty. Let's not. Let's let's expose them to 493 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 1: a bit of reality so that they might develop some 494 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: resilience and some awareness and some you know, let's not 495 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: throw them under the bus. But at the same time, 496 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 1: let them score the fucking football match for God's sake. 497 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, no, that's just ridiculous. 498 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 2: I agree with you. It is. 499 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 3: It is about gradually exposing them. You know, I do 500 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 3: understand the other side of the coin. But you know, 501 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 3: there's ways that you can expose them gradually to things 502 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 3: and let them fail and let them experience that, because 503 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 3: they are life lessons and it's only going to get 504 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 3: harder down the tracks. As you said, you know, if 505 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 3: life hasn't knocked you down yet don't worry. It's coming, 506 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: you know for all of us. Somewhere along the truck. 507 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 3: You know, there's you're going to lose someone. You know, 508 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,880 Speaker 3: you're probably going to go through a health crisis. There 509 00:24:57,880 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 3: are things that are going to happen in your life 510 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: that are going to knock you for six And whether 511 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 3: you've got the tools to deal with that, well, you 512 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 3: know that all depends on how much resilience you have 513 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 3: and how much you've been exposed to it. 514 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 2: And if you can start by being exposed. 515 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: It's exactly like training, you know, it's about exposing you 516 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 3: in small doses. 517 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 2: You know, push the. 518 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 3: Envelope a little bit today, will push it a little 519 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: bit more tomorrow, and a little bit more the next day. 520 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,919 Speaker 2: That's how you build up the resilience. That's how you 521 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: build muscle. 522 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you get strong? You work again though resistance. 523 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: How do you build skill competence? How do you perform 524 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: under pressure? Well, you perform under pressure in training. And 525 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: then when the game comes, all the race comes. How 526 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: you just quickly our last one? How are you now? 527 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: How's your body? How's your health? How's your energy? 528 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:44,239 Speaker 2: My body's good? My energy is good. I mean it's not. 529 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say it's at one hundred percent. But again 530 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 2: I'm I'm learning. 531 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 3: About how to manage my body differently now post surgery 532 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,680 Speaker 3: because I've still got a health wise, cancer wise, I'm good. 533 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 3: I actually have to have a blood test in the 534 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 3: next couple of days. I have six monthly checkups. But 535 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 3: I'm in a mission, so that's a good thing. Long term, 536 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:05,439 Speaker 3: there's a few small hurdles to overcome, just you know, 537 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 3: as a result of the surgery. So I'm still working 538 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 3: on strengthening up different chest muscles and trying to explore 539 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 3: whether I can swim properly again. So I can swim, 540 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,639 Speaker 3: but it's just different, changing movement. Yeah, So I'm working 541 00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 3: on that. So that's my next adventure is getting back 542 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 3: in that order and seeing what I can do. Got 543 00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 3: a few different limitations, but you know, I'm working at 544 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 3: how to work around those and get myself back to 545 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 3: that good place again and be fully functioning. 546 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: That's amazing, Tam, You're awesome. You're an inspiration. I love 547 00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: that I have you in my life. Although we don't 548 00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: catch up, I appreciate you sharing some of you with 549 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: my audience. And let's go and have a coffee, shall we? 550 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,359 Speaker 2: I love that. That'd be amazing. Let's do it. 551 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: Let's do that, Tammy van Wissa. How do you want 552 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 1: to point anyone towards anything like your web site or 553 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: books or speaking. How do people connect with you? Follow you? 554 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: How do they do that? 555 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 3: Well, they can do that on this amazing technology called Instagram. 556 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,719 Speaker 3: And I do actually have the very it's dinosaur now 557 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 3: the website I've got Tammy Vanwisa dot com, so that's 558 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 3: probably the best place to go and land if you 559 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 3: want to learn more about my speaking or get in 560 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:22,720 Speaker 3: contact with me. 561 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 2: So that'd be fantastic. 562 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: Thank you for that pleasure. If you want to get 563 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: your team pumped and inspired and focused from the best, 564 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: just hit her up. Hit her up. I'm the second best, 565 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: but she's the best. She's the goat. 566 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 2: Thanks Tammy, Thanks Grego