1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: It's Monday, February two, twenty twenty six. Outlaw Desi Freeman 3 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: is still on the run, six months after allegedly murdering 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: two cops in the high Country, and despite a one 5 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: million dollar price on his head. Now Victoria police are 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: expanding their search, with fresh details to be revealed this morning. 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: We'll be covering that live at the Australian dot com 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: dot A drop the virtue signaling culture wars and teach 9 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 1: kids to read and understand history. That's the cry from 10 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: the boss of the federal government's Australian Education Research Organization, 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: Jenny Donovan. She tells The Australian today, too many kids 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: are starting high school illiterate, and too many teachers are 13 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: wasting time defending failed fads. 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: The world's most most. 15 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: Powerful command economy has turned the volume down on Beijing's 16 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: famously cacophonous traffic and now the city's twenty million plus 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: residents can hear bird song even in peak hour. 18 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: So how did they do it and why? North Asia 19 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 2: correspondent Yooni Bishan is here. 20 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: This is what Asia is supposed to sound like, and 21 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:39,400 Speaker 1: it's what Beijing used to sound like too. 22 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 3: But now so behind me, right now, there are six 23 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: lanes of traffic. It's obviously a very busy road here 24 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 3: in downtown Beijing. We've got cars, we've got trucks, we've 25 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 3: got buses, but very difficult to hear the noise of 26 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 3: this traffic if you walk through the streets, very easy 27 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 3: to have a conversation. You can't hear much beeping and 28 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: other sounds behind me. In fact, the only real sound 29 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 3: you're going to hear is the sound of the tires 30 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 3: moving across the gravel of the road. And that's in 31 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: large measure because the people in China, and particularly in Beijing, 32 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:13,239 Speaker 3: have been upgrading their vehicles from traditional petrol powered cars 33 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 3: two electric vehicles. Government subsidies have largely been at play, 34 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 3: and they've been very popular. 35 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 1: Yorni Vashan is The Australian's New North Asia correspondent. He's 36 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: moved from Sydney, a pretty noisy city, to Beijing, a 37 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: city that you would think would be very loud. JOHNI, 38 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: what was your first impression when you got to Beijing 39 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: of the sound of the traffic. 40 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 3: Well, I was astonished. It was just so quiet. I'd 41 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 3: be walking around the streets of Beijing, and I was 42 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 3: trying to acclimatize myself with this new environment. And what 43 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: I was expecting when I came here was first of all, 44 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: a lot of pollution, which there is, but it's not 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 3: on the scale that I expected at all. I mean, 46 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 3: in fact, most days you wake up in the air 47 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 3: is perfectly fine and clean, and you should go outside 48 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: and everything's great. And the other thing I was expecting 49 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,080 Speaker 3: was just this in this cacophony coming from the traffic. 50 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 3: Because I know that Bejing is a very, very big 51 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 3: city which has a population roughly the size of Australias, 52 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 3: except it's condensed in the city. And I know there 53 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 3: are a lot of cars here, and I know there 54 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 3: are very big highways. But what I noticed was that 55 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 3: you would walk along a nine, ten eleven lane highway 56 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 3: full of people, full of cars, full of buses and motorbikes, 57 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: but you can't really hear them. What you can hear 58 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 3: is everyone else. You can hear the birds, you can hear, unfortunately, 59 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: the sound of people expectorating, but you can't hear the raw, 60 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 3: that deafening roar that you get from line after line 61 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: of car just in front of you and going at speed. 62 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: And the particularly startling thing is that when these engines 63 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 3: are idle, you can't hear them at all because they're 64 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: all evs. 65 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. I think we've all had that experience of nearly 66 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 1: being run over by an EV that we didn't hear coming. 67 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 2: It's only the crackling of the. 68 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 1: Leaves or the the rubber on the road that makes 69 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: you know that it's coming. When that is multiplied across 70 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: an entire city of twenty five million people, it's a 71 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: remarkable transformation in a pretty short time though, right. 72 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, And so you and I had a conversation about this. 73 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 3: I happened to mention it to you, and you were 74 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: very encouraging about perhaps exploring this as a potential news item, 75 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 3: which is what we've done today. And one of the 76 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 3: things I learned very quickly is that this wasn't just 77 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 3: something that happened by accident. This was very much by 78 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 3: design here in China. So about four or five years ago, 79 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 3: basically amid the pandemic, and in the years that followed, 80 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:40,719 Speaker 3: this enormous construction boom that happened across China between the 81 00:04:40,760 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 3: Beijing Olympics and around twenty sixteen, noise complaints have begun 82 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 3: one of the highest issues of environmental grievance in the country. 83 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 3: It probably didn't outrank concerns about air and water quality, 84 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 3: but it was right up there as a major concern 85 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 3: of residents. In fact, in twenty twenty one, the government 86 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 3: here said that around for complaints have been made just 87 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,919 Speaker 3: about noise, and that was all kinds of noise, but 88 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: social activities, construction, industrial machinery, and of course traffic were 89 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: among them. And so what the Chinese authorities did at 90 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: the very highest level was make this a massive political 91 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 3: priority for them. They made noise pollution one of the 92 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: essential agenda items in their five year plan, and they 93 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 3: basically said, by twenty twenty five, we're going to increase 94 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 3: compliance with noise restrictions to eighty five percent across the country, 95 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: and of course within one or two years they met that, 96 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 3: and the compliance rate is sort of above eighty five percent, 97 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 3: which was the target they set. But they did it 98 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 3: by employing different policy levers to a get people to 99 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: take up evs and b regulate the amount of traffic 100 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 3: that's on the highways in Beijing. In Shanghai, in Guangzhou, 101 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 3: in all the big cities, and some of the cities 102 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 3: have different rules around who can drive and when they 103 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,159 Speaker 3: can drive and all that sort of stuff. But it 104 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 3: was essentially a combination of policy incentives to get Pea 105 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 3: people to dump their petrol powered cars and take up evs, 106 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 3: and it was also design planning and traffic measures that 107 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,279 Speaker 3: just saw fewer people actually on the roads. 108 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: It's so interesting in this command economy, you're not really 109 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: surprised that there's a high compliance rate. 110 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: With the government directive. But what is surprising is that 111 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: they listened to. 112 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: People that they cared that Beijing has found the noise 113 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 1: overwhelming because the noise comes from the Chinese Communist Party's 114 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: big goal, which is industrialization, raising living standards, making China 115 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: the most powerful economy in the world. What do you 116 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: think about the fact that they listened and they maybe 117 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: took some sort of backward steps on productivity to get 118 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: that noise down. 119 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: Well, there's two things I'd say about that. The first 120 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: is we've all watched the rising Chinese middle class and 121 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: the emergence of that over the recent decades. Now, what 122 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: came with that rising middle class was a society that 123 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 3: expected higher levels of living standards and quality of life. 124 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 3: That's what's led to these complaints. And what the government 125 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: here appears to have noticed is that with these millions 126 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 3: of complaints, this deluge of complaints about noise, what they 127 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: had was not a minor nuisance that they needed to 128 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 3: handle or something they could just brush aside as not 129 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 3: particularly important. No, no, no, this was essentially this was becoming 130 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: a political problem because it was contributing to discord in 131 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: the social harmony, in the quality of life, and it 132 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 3: was probably going to become a political issue and a 133 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: potential pressure point. So they had to act on it. 134 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: And when they did, they decided to act on it 135 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 3: so comprehensively. So essentially, sixteen government departments came together at 136 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 3: the highest levels and set orders for all the municipalities 137 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 3: to reach certain targets and restrictions, and that meant banning 138 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 3: certain products from coming into the country, setting limits on 139 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 3: how much noise could be made, what the traffic should 140 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: look like, who could drive on the roads, and other measures. 141 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 3: They've just brought down the den across this society, and 142 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 3: that now makes walking around a place like Beijing a 143 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: very pleasant experience. 144 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: The other thing that seems to be absent is the honking. 145 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: And I think we've all had that experience of arriving 146 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: in an Asian city, whether it's Hanoi or Bankok or whatever, 147 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: realizing that the way we use our horns in Australia, 148 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: which is an expression of anger or ridicule or rage, 149 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: is different to them that they're kind of, you know, 150 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: Hong Kong Kong, here I come, or Hong Kong, I 151 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 1: see you will, Hong Kong merge. Now, why are Beijing 152 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:33,439 Speaker 1: is not honking. 153 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 3: Because they're not supposed to. There are no honking zones 154 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 3: in these cities, not just in Beijing but elsewhere as well. 155 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 3: You're not supposed to honk. Honking is not an expression 156 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 3: of yourself or an expression of your emotion over here. 157 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 3: You're just not supposed to do it. So that's why 158 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 3: you're not hearing honking. In fact, the one thing I noticed, 159 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 3: and I don't want to over exaggerate the situation, like 160 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: when you're walking along a nine lane highway, you can 161 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: hear the sound of the cars, but what you're hearing 162 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: is a some of the petrol powered cars, which certainly 163 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 3: still exists, especially in Beijing, not everyone is driving an 164 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 3: EV but in large measure they are. But what I 165 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: seem to be hearing most is just the sound of 166 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 3: the tires on these roadways. And even in that respect, 167 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: the authorities have been acting in a very comprehensive fashion. 168 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 3: They laid something like three hundred million square meters of 169 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 3: reduced noise surface along the roads just to make the 170 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 3: sound of the tires a bit quieter. So we have 171 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 3: this incredible assault on noise that was enacted at the 172 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 3: highest levels. And again it seems to have drawn its 173 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 3: genesis from sheer people power, which is not something I 174 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 3: expected to see in a country like this. 175 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 2: Coming up, So where's all Beijing's other pollution? Ending up? 176 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned air pollution, and behind you in Beijing, I 177 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: can see a bit of beautiful blue sky, which is 178 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 1: kind of surprising since you've been in Beijing. I added 179 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: the weather app for Beijing to my phone just to 180 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: check out how it was for you every day, and 181 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: alarmed by the particulate pollution measure that they show every day. 182 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff you're breathing in that can't 183 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 2: be that good. 184 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: But all these evs need to be charged up, and 185 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: in China, that means col fired power stations. 186 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 2: We know that China is building coal firedepower at a 187 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 2: huge rate. They're massive customers for coal. They dig up 188 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 2: a lot of it of their own. So will the rise. 189 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,600 Speaker 1: Of evs actually reduce air pollution in China or is 190 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 1: this has it just been exported to the countryside. 191 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 3: I would suggest it's probably been exported to the countryside. 192 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: I mean, who knows where we go from here in 193 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: terms of how they power the network and how you 194 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: plug in your EV to get your eight dollars worth 195 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 3: of charge to then drive your DD or your uber 196 00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: around the city all day. But for now, the air 197 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 3: quality here appears to have improved out of side. I 198 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: haven't had a day in Beijing, and I've only been 199 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,080 Speaker 3: here for two weeks, but there hasn't been a day 200 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 3: in Beijing where I've actually thought to myself it's not 201 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 3: a good day to go outside. I mean, the air 202 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: quality has always been excellent or at worst good. At 203 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,960 Speaker 3: a level of good, you're still advised to go outside. 204 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: But some people who have chronic illnesses might want to 205 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: wear a mask or some other measure. But generally speaking, 206 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 3: you would expect that this pollution is going somewhere. I mean, 207 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 3: one thing I would say to you, Claire, is that 208 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 3: this is certainly a country, and it's certainly a leadership 209 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 3: that's very much got its eyes on reducing its climate footprint. 210 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 3: I mean, yes, there is a strong desire for coal 211 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,719 Speaker 3: and for generation, for keeping the society moving. I mean, 212 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 3: one thing that I'm constantly told by the experts in 213 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 3: academics that I'm meeting over here is that one of 214 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: the core features of Chinese society is survival, not just liberty. 215 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: So for us in the West, we're very concerned with liberty, 216 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 3: but over here liberty is very important, but actually survival 217 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 3: is even more important. So, yes, there is a reliance 218 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 3: on coal from now, but this is very much a 219 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: leadership that's looking towards a climate future. And I mean 220 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 3: you don't need to go very far to realize that 221 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,200 Speaker 3: they're investing a great amount of energy and attention and 222 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: money into wind, solar batteries and hydro. And the other 223 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,319 Speaker 3: observation I'd make again from my very short amount of 224 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 3: time here, is that this is a government that when 225 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 3: it wants something to get done, it can do it 226 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 3: at break next speed. It's done it in the past 227 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 3: and It's going to be very exciting to see where 228 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 3: it goes from here in the future. 229 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: Jonni Bishan is The Australian's North Asia correspondent. Thanks Joanni, 230 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: Thank you. Jonnibishan's story is live right now at the 231 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,719 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au plus. You can watch the 232 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: video of this episode at our YouTube channel. 233 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 2: There's a link in the show notes.