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Speaker 2: I please have your attention? This is my final MATHS
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Speaker 2: it was Australia's reactions paused a lot of drama and
Speaker 2: they never got it. It just went nuts.
Speaker 1: Hello and welcome back to back to Reality.
Speaker 3: I'm Selena and god have I missed you guys.
Speaker 1: It is a brand new season, a brand new year,
Speaker 1: a brand new era, and we also have a brand
Speaker 1: new co host.
Speaker 3: I am obsessed with this queen.
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the collub that no one expected,
Speaker 1: but like you'll be very excited it is my queen.
Speaker 2: Tiny huh. I am so happy to be here. I
Speaker 2: feel like no one's going to expect this.
Speaker 3: No right, love that literally.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I'm very, very very excited.
Speaker 1: Two little Asian queens Asian Queen Asian Lovision both healed
Speaker 1: and stuff with trauma from.
Speaker 2: Mass Yes, honestly, I reckon we trauma bonded over that.
Speaker 2: Let's be real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were on season ten.
Speaker 2: Season ten. Yes, I was on season nice. I watched
Speaker 2: your season, loved it.
Speaker 3: I loved you.
Speaker 1: Oh actually no, I could it quite watch the whole
Speaker 1: season ten, only because I was still recovery.
Speaker 2: It's a lot. I feel like a year after you
Speaker 2: go on it, you watch it back and you're just
Speaker 2: triggered the whole time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see it from a different length for sure.
Speaker 1: Even the dramatic sound effects that they use.
Speaker 2: The violin the doom. No, yes, I got it. I know.
Speaker 3: So so much has happened since we had you on the.
Speaker 1: Podlast Well, you're not single anymore, I know.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, No, we we spoke. When did we speak?
Speaker 2: It was last maybe.
Speaker 1: It would have yeah, like May April May.
Speaker 2: It was like early last year, and yeah, it was
Speaker 2: an interesting time. A lot of drawing going on, which
Speaker 2: I like constantly follows me. But no, we have so
Speaker 2: much has happened. So much has happened. I feel like
Speaker 2: life after reality TV can be crazy, but it's been great.
Speaker 2: It's been really good. I feel like I've taken like
Speaker 2: all of last year to really like reflect on my
Speaker 2: journey on the show, my last relationship, and then move
Speaker 2: into like dating as like a new person almost, and
Speaker 2: it's been fun. I know, we go to events a
Speaker 2: lot together and we bump and cross paths, so we
Speaker 2: don't have time to properly sit and chat. And every
Speaker 2: single time we passed each other, we're like, oh my,
Speaker 2: so much tea, babe, so much. Yeah, and we never
Speaker 2: get actually debreath always.
Speaker 3: This is so good.
Speaker 2: We can have our weekly debreeths on here weekly tea.
Speaker 1: And we're not obviously just going to be talking to
Speaker 1: each other. We're going to be talking to our favorite
Speaker 1: Maths Love Island guests as reality TV.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's gonna be fun just to have
Speaker 2: those like conversations, dive a bit deeper, unpack, get the
Speaker 2: tears straight from the sauce. And I mean, I love
Speaker 2: reality TV. I know you do too, and I'm so
Speaker 2: glad we can just yap on about it on this
Speaker 2: podcast and that's really what it's going to be. And
Speaker 2: you feel like, obviously Maths, we were on Maths, we
Speaker 2: love Maths, but there's so many other amazing reality TV
Speaker 2: shows as well that we want to dive into too.
Speaker 3: Love Island.
Speaker 1: This was hectic. I was hectic, loved it. It was
Speaker 1: giving season one for me.
Speaker 2: Life's great.
Speaker 3: So much drama and like so much beef.
Speaker 2: I Maths, Yeah, it was giving maths. I love Love Island.
Speaker 2: I think if I didn't do Maths, I would love
Speaker 2: to be on Love Island. But also I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't know I have the confidence to do the stuff that
Speaker 2: they do, sing all the like kissing challenges and like
Speaker 2: the strip tea stuff I could never. Also part of
Speaker 2: me is like a bit selfish. I don't want to
Speaker 2: like have to fight for someone and share. Yeah, MATS
Speaker 2: was great because you get given someone and that's your
Speaker 2: person and you go through all depends on how you
Speaker 2: want to go down through. But I like that format.
Speaker 2: So I always think that I've been adopted into the
Speaker 2: Love Island franchise because a lot of my friends are
Speaker 2: in that on that show. But yeah, they even All
Speaker 2: Stars have been watching Love Island All Stars.
Speaker 1: No, but I just saw an article today that Lucinda
Speaker 1: Strafford that was on last season that was matched with
Speaker 1: Zach Yes, was meant to be All Stars and she
Speaker 1: got there and then she pulled out last minute. She's
Speaker 1: like flowing all the way there and all the way
Speaker 1: back to the UK. I mean, fair enough, but what happened.
Speaker 3: I want to know the teams.
Speaker 2: Look. I feel like with Love Island, I would hate
Speaker 2: to come on as a bombshell. I feel like I'd
Speaker 2: want to be like one of the og cast. I
Speaker 2: feel like when you watch it, it stresses me out
Speaker 2: how they have to go graft and like go and
Speaker 2: steal people, Like that would be the worst. But there's
Speaker 2: been so many rumors about like who's going on. Like
Speaker 2: I was hoping Loomy would go on and then he
Speaker 2: was like no. I was like, no, the finest man
Speaker 2: to ever exist on the franchise is not coming back.
Speaker 2: But also I don't know. I feel like on reality
Speaker 2: TV in general, I feel like they should be age limit.
Speaker 2: I think they should be twenty five across all reality TV.
Speaker 2: I feel like before that, I just don't think you
Speaker 2: can fully understand what you're signing yourself. Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 2: I know Maths is twenty five plus, but I think
Speaker 2: like it's because I think when like these people have
Speaker 2: been on Love Line, they've been like nineteen twenty. Can
Speaker 2: you imagine if you had done something like that at
Speaker 2: that age.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no way.
Speaker 1: By the way, I was scouted for season one of
Speaker 1: Love Island, was it like a DM thing like I.
Speaker 3: Was out one night.
Speaker 2: Shut up.
Speaker 3: We just got off the boat.
Speaker 1: I've been day drinking, super drunk and they came up
Speaker 1: to what no me and like, oh, are you single?
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, they're gona probably step me
Speaker 1: up with one of their weird cousins. They were like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're casting for a show called Love Island Australia.
Speaker 2: Never heard of it.
Speaker 3: So drunk, I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, yeah sure, And then I got a call
Speaker 1: because I had obviously given them my details and they
Speaker 1: will like, have you filled out your application yet? And
Speaker 1: I was like for what, sorry, how are you And
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, we will send it to you again,
Speaker 1: so just check your email. And then I went through
Speaker 1: the whole like audition phase and everything and yeah, and
Speaker 1: then I sent me an email saying look, we want
Speaker 1: you as a bombshell, but we're only going to like
Speaker 1: it was something really odd like forty eight hours notice
Speaker 1: if I hate you, and then you need to be
Speaker 1: on a plane to Spain and I.
Speaker 3: Was like, it's just true hairdressing. Yeah, I couldn't do it.
Speaker 2: And I just feel like, to be fair, that was
Speaker 2: like one of the best seasons I've ever seen to
Speaker 2: great Australian TV let me iconic and so many great
Speaker 2: characters from that branchized like from that season. I know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you'd how he would go on it.
Speaker 2: Looking back now, I'm like, I'm so glad I didn't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm just it's not it's not me. Yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. It's it takes the type person to
Speaker 2: go on like you have to be really just like
Speaker 2: forward and just it's just not not a bit of me.
Speaker 2: And I don't think it's true fight or something or
Speaker 2: that's a sleigh.
Speaker 1: I could do that, true, but like you like shots
Speaker 1: that they do when they're pouring outcohol.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could do the bikini every day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I could do that talking. Yes, you can,
Speaker 1: like the biding stuff. You look amazing.
Speaker 2: They give a lot biding. Okay, So we could talk
Speaker 2: about this all day, but into maps chats so obviously
Speaker 2: New Year every time I'm like, it's Ao, then it's
Speaker 2: Maps time straight into it. So New Year and we've
Speaker 2: been seeing some stuff and we thought we would answer
Speaker 2: some of the questions we've been seeing online because there's
Speaker 2: so much and I think we wanted to start off
Speaker 2: with contract. I also printed out my maps questionnaire, which
Speaker 2: is hilarious. But we've seen a lot of sentiment online
Speaker 2: in regards to the contract. I think it stems from
Speaker 2: the general conversation of bad edits and people, I guess
Speaker 2: having something to say about how they're perceived, and you
Speaker 2: kind of really sign away control over that when you
Speaker 2: do something like this. And I actually saw this brilliant
Speaker 2: TikTok video by a lawyer on TikTok I love legal
Speaker 2: Talk called Jahann and love him, and he basically came
Speaker 2: on and said he had a client that came to
Speaker 2: him to review the contract and was like, do not
Speaker 2: sign this, and was like, these are the key points.
Speaker 2: Don't sign it. And I think he said, like that
Speaker 2: person went on to go on the show and wasn't
Speaker 2: shown in a favorable light. I'd love to know who
Speaker 2: that is. Yeah, And yeah, I think, And I don't
Speaker 2: know if you had this experience, but when I was
Speaker 2: reviewing my contract, I did get a lawyer to look
Speaker 2: at it.
Speaker 3: Did you how?
Speaker 1: No, I just like read through the whole thing. You're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: ol from my season just signed it. He didn't even
Speaker 1: read it.
Speaker 2: Shut up.
Speaker 3: He was so Yeah, yes, I love him.
Speaker 2: Well, I think, okay, if you, let's say you didn't
Speaker 2: read the contract, there is one page you want to read.
Speaker 2: That page is like you've got your name on the contract.
Speaker 2: Then it's like first page, old, boxed up ye, and
Speaker 2: it's basically like what you're signing your life force? And
Speaker 2: I think this. I think back, and I'm like, why
Speaker 2: did we?
Speaker 1: I know? So I hands down, and I was so naive,
Speaker 1: so naive. I'm like, I just wanted love so badly
Speaker 1: and to be loved that. I was like, surely they
Speaker 1: could see the desperation and match me with someone genuine
Speaker 1: at least, you know, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 2: It's like this huge you just glad over way.
Speaker 1: It's like highlighted gray, and it's different from all the
Speaker 1: other pages. The contract is thirty seven pages long, like.
Speaker 3: It's long, really long.
Speaker 2: I do want to preface though, I do think although
Speaker 2: a hectic contract, I think you should be able to
Speaker 2: withdraw consent any time in any situation, in any scenario.
Speaker 2: That's my personal opinion, and obviously in this case, you
Speaker 2: can't do that. So I'm going to say that, but
Speaker 2: keeping that in mind, all right, So I think the
Speaker 2: general thing is that you can't control how you look,
Speaker 2: and you might not be shown in a positive light yep,
Speaker 2: which is I think most people.
Speaker 3: Maths.
Speaker 2: I feel like the chances of you looking not like
Speaker 2: an idiot is so much slimmer than looking positive. I
Speaker 2: think positive is the key word there. And I feel
Speaker 2: like we can comment on this and we are able
Speaker 2: to share our honest opinions in regards to that. I
Speaker 2: would never advise someone to go on if that was
Speaker 2: what they wanted, because fame doesn't equal money, and personally,
Speaker 2: I would rather money than pay for you, and I
Speaker 2: think the fame element is really It's interesting because I think,
Speaker 2: especially if you have a certain jobs, really working that job,
Speaker 2: after going through an experience like this, it makes your life.
Speaker 2: I feel like Maths made my life a lot harder
Speaker 2: in different ways, from professionally, from relationships, from all areas really,
Speaker 2: and I think that maybe is not really thought through
Speaker 2: in that beginning stage because you'd think, oh my god,
Speaker 2: amazing'm gonna be on TV, I'm going to get Instagram followers,
Speaker 2: I'm going to do this, this, this. Yeah, it's not
Speaker 2: always the case, and I would say it's not always
Speaker 2: the case for like ninety eight percent of people that
Speaker 2: go on YEP. I think that's a fair number. Definitely
Speaker 2: agree with that. When you signed up for it, because
Speaker 2: I know yours was during COVID time, which was even
Speaker 2: more intense. What did you think? Were you like, Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be on TV. I'm like, what was
Speaker 2: your kind of headspace when you were applying for that? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What did you think?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 2: For me?
Speaker 1: Right, I'm thirty seven this year, so I was what
Speaker 1: three seasons ago, and like what you said, it was
Speaker 1: peak COVID. Lost my job was in lockdown the ad
Speaker 1: came on. I was just in a really vulnerable, dark place,
Speaker 1: like I've actually shared a lot online recently on my
Speaker 1: TikTok about my family dynamic and just unpacking a lot
Speaker 1: of that trauma. I now know that back then I
Speaker 1: was even more fragile totally I am now, and like
Speaker 1: I was just I was so lonely, Like I was
Speaker 1: in this huge three bedroom house by myself.
Speaker 3: I was renting, but in Adelaide.
Speaker 1: It's so much cheaper, of course, and I was like
Speaker 1: I was literally like I could die right now and
Speaker 1: no one would give a fuck. My parents went checking
Speaker 1: up on me, like lost my job I was like,
Speaker 1: the only way they would find my corpse is if
Speaker 1: someone was like, hey, she hasn't done my hair.
Speaker 3: Like everyone's back to work now, do you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like everyone's got someone, whether it was a dog
Speaker 1: or a cat, yeah that or sister mum or dad.
Speaker 1: They had some kind of love yeah, and I just
Speaker 1: had no one. And I'm not saying this to be
Speaker 1: like a pity party, a hate home, people feeling sorry
Speaker 1: for me, But I was just in such a dark
Speaker 1: place and for me, I think you can relate to
Speaker 1: this being of Asian background.
Speaker 3: But like in my.
Speaker 1: Household, it was like you're only going to be able
Speaker 1: to leave here and be happy if you get married.
Speaker 1: So my mind was always like my ticket to happiness, yeah,
Speaker 1: when I were to find a partner for sure. And
Speaker 1: so I was in such a dark place and the
Speaker 1: ad came up for married. At first I was like, well,
Speaker 1: like maybe this is a sign.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the universe.
Speaker 1: If people know me and follow me for a while,
Speaker 1: they know I'm all about the signs and the synchronicity,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this is the universe telling me to
Speaker 1: sign up. Yeah, Like maybe my soulmates just like there.
Speaker 3: Show a TV show away. Yeah, so that's what I
Speaker 3: signed up. Yeah, just keeping mind.
Speaker 1: I feel like we all made really shitty decisions during COVID.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 3: That was mine, Yeah, that was yours.
Speaker 2: So it never really kind of went through your mind
Speaker 2: that same fortune Instagrammy aspected.
Speaker 1: It, no, because even like I've been seeing the same
Speaker 1: psychologists since the show, and even she's like, but you
Speaker 1: loved hairdressing, I'm so confused why you left.
Speaker 3: I had a full clientele.
Speaker 1: I was really happy, obsessed with hair dressing. So it
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was going on there to launch. I
Speaker 1: didn't have anything to launch. Like nowadays you'll see like
Speaker 1: like I'm on a podcast now. But normally when you
Speaker 1: see post maths, they've got like they've launched something, you know,
Speaker 1: they've used the show as a little bit of a platform. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I didn't have like my forefront. Mine was like
Speaker 1: definitely to find love. Yeah, but that was like that
Speaker 1: worked against me because I just I watched myself now
Speaker 1: and I don't recognize myself.
Speaker 2: I don't recognize shit with that. Yeah, and it just
Speaker 2: should never do that now ever, never never. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot of chat online. It's like exposing ourselves, but
Speaker 2: people being like, who would apply for this? And they're
Speaker 2: totally scouted because they are coming from different reality shows.
Speaker 2: And it's so funny because you and I both applied.
Speaker 2: Lack of judgment from us, and I find it funny.
Speaker 2: One thing I really hate is when you see this
Speaker 2: is a complete side note, but when you see after
Speaker 2: the show people coming being like, well, they approached me,
Speaker 2: I didn't even apply. They scattered me. It's any better
Speaker 2: than applying. I know. It's like, Okay, does that make
Speaker 2: you better? Because someone's sitting in your DM You're like,
Speaker 2: what's that about? But from our experience having applied for it,
Speaker 2: it's a different I think it's a different process because
Speaker 2: I feel like they then maybe shape the couple around
Speaker 2: you whereas I do, and then maybe you find someone
Speaker 2: that suits what you want or to contradict what you
Speaker 2: want or to that dynamic that they're looking for. So
Speaker 2: you have applied and you fit in, Okay, great, you
Speaker 2: are the good wholesome girl or you're the villain. Then
Speaker 2: they're going to be like, let's find your person, yeah
Speaker 2: to match?
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: I think that's that's the logic I have in my head.
Speaker 2: You're completely wrong. But we've seen this year quite a
Speaker 2: few of the cast had been on their actors or
Speaker 2: they've been on previous reality TV shows. Ye, what do
Speaker 2: we feel about that?
Speaker 1: I feel like from a production point of view, it's
Speaker 1: probably easier for them to work with someone totally he's
Speaker 1: comfortable in front of the camera. The reason why I
Speaker 1: say that is because on our season we had I Reckon.
Speaker 1: None of the boys had watched the show before, and
Speaker 1: they just weren't compliant because there are yeah, you're filming
Speaker 1: a TV show at the end of the days, you know,
Speaker 1: there's certain things that you have to redo ten to
Speaker 1: twenty times even and my person I don't even know
Speaker 1: if I want to mention his name saying he just
Speaker 1: like he just did not want to do it.
Speaker 3: He was off it.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, but you're here for a reason.
Speaker 2: And it's so funny to me because I had that
Speaker 2: experience to my apolgeta the show and I was like,
Speaker 2: why would you sign up to something that you don't
Speaker 2: even know what it's about.
Speaker 3: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: We had actually watched your season when we were filming,
Speaker 2: because we're like, hey, what's next, what week's next? Like,
Speaker 2: let's watch it and out the vibes, and I was like,
Speaker 2: because I had i'd obviously watched, I knew I had
Speaker 2: a rough idea because I'd only ever watched your season.
Speaker 2: I watched season six, which is iconic season, but I
Speaker 2: hadn't really watched it other than that, and honestly, I
Speaker 2: hadn't watched it from start to finish. I watched all
Speaker 2: the TikTok little social snipers, okay, and that's how I
Speaker 2: got an idea of what was on there. But I
Speaker 2: really actually actively watched your season, and that was what
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, okay, I think I can do that,
Speaker 2: yeacause I think for me, I love reality TV. I've
Speaker 2: always wanted to be in some sort of reality some show.
Speaker 2: It's always just been something I thought would be shits
Speaker 2: and gigs, and it been mass specifically was something that
Speaker 2: my my sister and her husband were like, dude, like
Speaker 2: you have to do it to be so funny, and
Speaker 2: I was so anti it, like I was anti maths,
Speaker 2: like especially when we had like years and years ago,
Speaker 2: when like gay marriage wasn't a thing. I was like, well,
Speaker 2: how come strangers can get married on TV? That's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2: But the people are actually in love, can't get married,
Speaker 2: and I was so anti it, and then I don't
Speaker 2: know why I changed my opinion. Yeah, and then I
Speaker 2: think I was like why not, Like, let's just see.
Speaker 2: I was obviously like with the forefront, like similar to
Speaker 2: you with like wanting to find someone. I felt like
Speaker 2: I had exhausted, not really exhausted. I feel like you
Speaker 2: never exhaust all your options. But I was really done
Speaker 2: with the apps. And I had like not dated like
Speaker 2: anyone or had any communication with any in dating capacity
Speaker 2: for like six months before the before the process, and
Speaker 2: I was like, Oh, maybe I would meet someone unconventional
Speaker 2: like this. I never thought i'd meet someone in a normal,
Speaker 2: normal way, and I was like, oh, maybe this is
Speaker 2: how I'll meet someone like wanted to write a story
Speaker 2: to tell. And I felt that way for a significant
Speaker 2: part of that previous relationship. And then it obviously went downhill.
Speaker 2: But did he apply or did he got pasted?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Scouted for it? Interesting, it's just like typical Instagram slide
Speaker 2: in the dims a lot of outcast. I think all
Speaker 2: the boys one or two that I know of were scouted.
Speaker 3: Wow, same as our season.
Speaker 1: I reckon from my season onwards yeah, the recipe changed,
Speaker 1: don't you reckon? I think so too, And as everyone's different,
Speaker 1: I don't know how to explain it, even just this year,
Speaker 1: like having so many couples knowing each other dated before, Like,
Speaker 1: don't you think that's so weird?
Speaker 2: Okay, I think it is stupid because I remember, and
Speaker 2: I don't know if you had this experience, but I
Speaker 2: remember vividly having a zoom call with a producer and
Speaker 2: I had to literally list names of people I dated
Speaker 2: in the last year. People I went on dates with.
Speaker 2: They wanted to note names anyone that I thought would like.
Speaker 2: It was even like who did you think is gonna
Speaker 2: in your life? Who's going to drop tea on you?
Speaker 2: And I had to gave names. So even people they
Speaker 2: went on a date with or went on three dates with,
Speaker 2: I gave all those names. So there is no possible
Speaker 2: way they did not know. Especially re and Jeff. There's
Speaker 2: no way they did not know that. And you could
Speaker 2: just tell by their reaction it was not genuine. I'dn't
Speaker 2: buy it really at all. Also, like I'm pretty sure
Speaker 2: he's an actor. Yeah, he was on neighbors, so I
Speaker 2: did not. But and I love them. I think they're great,
Speaker 2: They're really well matched. But I liked how she also
Speaker 2: said that she was robbed of the experience of marrying
Speaker 2: a stranger because she knew him. They dated, and I
Speaker 2: don't think they really got into what happened. I feel
Speaker 2: like unless I missed that, there's no way producers did
Speaker 2: not know that. Maybe they didn't say, but it was
Speaker 2: in the last it was quite recent when they dated,
Speaker 2: so I just don't know how that would have gone undetected,
Speaker 2: like they do their research.
Speaker 1: And then with I also heard that someone went on
Speaker 1: their instagrams and they were both following each other. They
Speaker 1: were marking photos from back then day stalk so low
Speaker 1: producer Stork, Yeah, they.
Speaker 3: Would have seen that.
Speaker 2: You've seen that, so weird thing. Yeah, I find that
Speaker 2: really bizarre. I think I'm more inclined to believe Karina
Speaker 2: and Paul because they went on one date. Yet how
Speaker 2: that yes, because I reckon I feel like anyone that
Speaker 2: I guess I was in Sydney, I might have like
Speaker 2: a six degree of separate. I would know. So I
Speaker 2: can understand that because they're both from Perth and Perth
Speaker 2: is very small. Yeah, so completely get that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: when just there's no way. Producers do not know. There's
Speaker 2: no way you you have to literally state who you've dated.
Speaker 2: I would assume that that would have been brought up.
Speaker 2: Maybe it wasn't, and it's just this like coincidence.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that part because I was single
Speaker 1: for seven years and I was like ghosted, so I
Speaker 1: never really it never even went past the texting shoes
Speaker 1: or like the one date. I was like, there's no
Speaker 1: one on my list or radar. Yeah, so that's interesting
Speaker 1: because I never got to do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it was really hard, and I remember like
Speaker 2: they wanted to know, like people I blocked because I
Speaker 2: had a blocked list on Instagram and I come to
Speaker 2: explain why, Wow, many bad experiences I had with certain
Speaker 2: people just in case that came up. Like it was
Speaker 2: pretty invasive, Like I felt like pretty exposed almost like
Speaker 2: to have to talk about like something happened, and thinking about, Okay,
Speaker 2: this guy that I want to date with is going
Speaker 2: to come forward and say this, this is like I
Speaker 2: don't know. Wow. I think that's one thing too, I
Speaker 2: want to get into is when you put yourself in
Speaker 2: something like this and you're very public facing, you're on
Speaker 2: a show, your demons are going to come out, and
Speaker 2: anyone that has something against you or wants to take
Speaker 2: you down, it's gonna it's gonna happen. Any any scorned
Speaker 2: xes anything that would be something is likely going to
Speaker 2: come out. I think that I don't think that happened
Speaker 2: to you, right, I feel like we've spoken about this.
Speaker 2: Nothing crazy. I didn't really have much. I was like
Speaker 2: concerned maybe people would say stuff that I could have
Speaker 2: backed up, but I just don't want to.
Speaker 1: I had, like, because Adelaide's very small. I had a
Speaker 1: client come in and tell another staff member because I
Speaker 1: said on the show that I was bullied throughout school
Speaker 1: and no one really wanted to hang out with me.
Speaker 1: And they were like, oh, no, that wasn't true. She
Speaker 1: wasn't bullied at all. And I'm like, but did your
Speaker 1: daughter hang out with me?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like, because bullying's not like hitting or spitting on someone.
Speaker 3: Or like verbal elotional, Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 2: For me.
Speaker 3: It was just I wasn't included at anything.
Speaker 2: That's still bullying to me. It's actively leaving people out exactly.
Speaker 2: It's bullying because I was purely different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in a school with all Caucasians Italians.
Speaker 1: And Greeks, and I was the Asian one out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I was constantly left out.
Speaker 3: To me, that's bullying.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Obviously a big part of the show is that
Speaker 2: you have to give away your Instagram for like six months,
Speaker 2: and it is tough, like you're not meant to use socials,
Speaker 2: you're not meant to be on monitoring anything, and I
Speaker 2: think people unaware of what the process is, so we
Speaker 2: wanted to just go into that. So obviously the show
Speaker 2: airs in January, goes to like April time. That whole
Speaker 2: period until even about May, you have no access to
Speaker 2: your Instagram whatsoever. And that is like for posts posts,
Speaker 2: you literally get a folder of images I don't know
Speaker 2: if this is a sexual the drop off and with
Speaker 2: the most hideous, heinous pictures, and then you've got to
Speaker 2: like write a caption and and they approved, and they
Speaker 2: approved the passion and then post for you. Did you
Speaker 2: have anything that wasn't approved? Anything any like the thing
Speaker 2: that you try to live?
Speaker 3: There a few funny captions. I can't remember it now.
Speaker 2: I had a really funny one of the iconic photos
Speaker 2: of my face looking really displeased at a dinner table
Speaker 2: and the caption I wanted to go with was me
Speaker 2: every time Harrison speaks, and they said it was bullying
Speaker 2: because I wasn't allowed to do that. So to change
Speaker 2: it to like when I hear the word gaslight or something,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh dude, that would have been
Speaker 2: so funny.
Speaker 3: Literally bullying still funny though.
Speaker 2: And when you got your account back there was like nothing,
Speaker 2: no dms, everything had been whipe.
Speaker 3: Okay, so you had that.
Speaker 1: Too, Yeah, because I'm getting mixed, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had people nothing like I had my friends
Speaker 2: like people like like I follow and stuff message me,
Speaker 2: but anything new was completely borne.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We had like twelve months worth of dms just wiped.
Speaker 3: Wow some mows.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's crazy.
Speaker 1: What's crazy because I was running my business through my
Speaker 1: Instagram as well, so I had clients messaging me, so
Speaker 1: they probably thought like, what a rude bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's something to keep in mind
Speaker 2: as well. If you are going to do maths, if
Speaker 2: you run your business, which I would feel like ninety
Speaker 2: businesses these days are on social media, that is something
Speaker 2: to factor in because you don't you literally don't have access. Yeh.
Speaker 1: But that's the freaking frustrating thing about this cast. Because
Speaker 1: they have gone like rogue. Yeah, some of them haven't
Speaker 1: even handed their instagrams over and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, that's not fucking fair.
Speaker 2: But did you not get the choice to opt in
Speaker 2: and opt out? No? Okay, So I don't know if
Speaker 2: people know this as well. When you sign your contract,
Speaker 2: so you have your your contributor contract, which is your
Speaker 2: agreement to do the show, and then you have a
Speaker 2: social media with nine contract that you can either choose
Speaker 2: to do or not choose to do. So I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's the same thing, but you have to
Speaker 2: opt in to do that, and that's your opting into
Speaker 2: giving your passwords, your logins, all of that. You can
Speaker 2: also you don't have to do that. Feel like your
Speaker 2: hand's a bit forced personally, but you actually if you
Speaker 2: don't want to do it, you don't have to. They'd
Speaker 2: force you given an option really like give us your password,
Speaker 2: what's your email?
Speaker 1: We're gaining access now, and people like forever. Basically that's
Speaker 1: so crazy. Forever, yeah, because.
Speaker 2: Maybe if I think back, I probably wouldn't have given access,
Speaker 2: but you still aren't allowed to use it anyway, so
Speaker 2: you can't leverage off it. But you don't have to.
Speaker 2: But I do feel like you're then at a disadvantage
Speaker 2: of getting that publicity if that's what you want. But
Speaker 2: I guess with the people that specifically have said no,
Speaker 2: I don't think they're sticking around for very long. So
Speaker 2: I feel like they just don't think the value in
Speaker 2: their account away which respect to.
Speaker 1: Be honest, true, And I guess the main reason of
Speaker 1: why they don't want what they say that they take
Speaker 1: away accesses because they don't want you to leave any storylines,
Speaker 1: go on your story and go on rampages and like hate.
Speaker 2: They also say the hate things. Don't really monitor the
Speaker 2: comments on the maths account, so you're letting me set
Speaker 2: me on there, but not on ours anyway, to have
Speaker 2: good engagement stimularly want to take our engagement. Yes, speaking
Speaker 2: producers getting involved in the drama, do you recall any
Speaker 2: incident or any time during the show that you felt
Speaker 2: like you were being not coached, but kind of encouraged
Speaker 2: to be a part of the situation or to speak up,
Speaker 2: any kind of thing like that that you recall.
Speaker 1: Yes, I love my producer. I had Kate, Oh, he's subsessed,
Speaker 1: And it just got to a point with filming where
Speaker 1: we weren't getting much from Cody, and she was like, guys,
Speaker 1: it's the dinner party, Like do me proud, Like get
Speaker 1: involved in it, you know, have a little bit more
Speaker 1: of a say, you guys know what's going on now,
Speaker 1: come on, get involved a little bit doomy proud. So
Speaker 1: then when that this was the week that the photo scanned,
Speaker 1: that is why Cody upon himself to just blurt out.
Speaker 3: That you had seen the photo.
Speaker 1: I remember, right, terrible, terrible timing, especially when I said
Speaker 1: to him, Okay, I understand that Kate said that, but
Speaker 1: I'm your partner.
Speaker 2: I want to.
Speaker 1: Speak to Don personally first and have a one on
Speaker 1: one chat. Please leave it to me. He then took
Speaker 1: it upon himself to then tell the whole table the worst.
Speaker 2: Time, the worst.
Speaker 3: So that's why that happened, because we got out.
Speaker 2: Did yeah, push to do it?
Speaker 1: I pushed, but she she wasn't even saying to do that.
Speaker 1: She was just saying to get involved in more, to speak.
Speaker 3: Up a little bit more.
Speaker 2: So you know, we were just.
Speaker 3: Kind of just mellowing out.
Speaker 2: How funny. I remember when I at a commitment ceremony.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that I wasn't allowed to do it, but
Speaker 2: there was a storyline that obviously I'd kind of identified
Speaker 2: during filming, and it was between a listena and her husband,
Speaker 2: and it was at a commitment ceremony where it's a
Speaker 2: pretty famous commitment ceremony of her like kind of storming out.
Speaker 2: I'm a child, that kind of thing, and I remember
Speaker 2: when she had stormed out, like I ran after her.
Speaker 2: I think it was me. I can remember the other
Speaker 2: girls that did, and we were like, what the hell's
Speaker 2: going on, Like I think you're being misunderstood here, and
Speaker 2: like it was really tricky because when we watched that
Speaker 2: back it was completely different to how it played out.
Speaker 2: And then when they played it out, it looked like
Speaker 2: none of the girls went after her and just her
Speaker 2: partner did, and it was like, dude, so it looks
Speaker 2: like she had nobody to back her up and nobody
Speaker 2: believed her and nobody was on her side when it
Speaker 2: was just not the case. And we were all like,
Speaker 2: this is not what we're seeing. And that was really
Speaker 2: disappointing because I felt like, yeah, I was. I was
Speaker 2: literally screaming up by the produce, get back inside, get
Speaker 2: back inside. But then like when he went out, he
Speaker 2: was allowed to go and like chat with her. Then
Speaker 2: it was like her storming away in the elevator and
Speaker 2: I was like, well, yeah, you strategically wanted that specific
Speaker 2: scene and the girls were there being like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: are you okay? And there was not we weren't allowed
Speaker 2: to do that. Wow, So that like stuff like that,
Speaker 2: I really was like, Okay, they obviously have they made
Speaker 2: their mind up with what they want to be shown,
Speaker 2: and that obviously was to her disadvantage. But it's fine.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I loved my producers and I loved the
Speaker 2: experience I had with them. I didn't feel like I
Speaker 2: was pressured to doing anything that I wasn't comfortable with.
Speaker 2: There was only at the end where I felt like
Speaker 2: they were really trying to pressure me to say like
Speaker 2: I love you on camera, and it just wasn't something
Speaker 2: I wanted to do. Okay, even though we had said it,
Speaker 2: we just didn't want to Like it's like, we've given
Speaker 2: everything to these people, have something special for ourselves.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: And that's the only time I really ever felt like
Speaker 2: they were pressuring me to say something. But I yeah,
Speaker 2: I loved my producer. Do you speak to yours? Still?
Speaker 1: I got her a present and everything at the reunion,
Speaker 1: and I never really heard back. I got one email
Speaker 1: afterwards the Sacon than of the gift, and then that's it.
Speaker 3: Oh did you ever hear back?
Speaker 2: I always speak to my producers. I had a few
Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, I have on Instagram chat always like
Speaker 2: seeing what they're up to. Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I feel like I really you obviously spend a lot
Speaker 2: of time with your partner, but the next people is
Speaker 2: your producer. Like you don't want to spend time with
Speaker 2: each other, so it's really your partner and your producer.
Speaker 2: So there's one.
Speaker 1: Question that I really want to ask all our guests
Speaker 1: this season is was there anything that happened that didn't
Speaker 1: go to air that you really want to talk about?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Was there anything that happened with you that didn't go
Speaker 1: to air that happened?
Speaker 2: So there was actually two things that I wish was shown,
Speaker 2: just because I feel like it would make things a
Speaker 2: little bit more sense just after the fact. Okay, So
Speaker 2: on the honeymoon, which I'm sure every couple did you
Speaker 2: get an honesty box. Majority of this is not shown,
Speaker 2: but I feel like they pick and choose what it's shown.
Speaker 2: And we had had a box, and it was you
Speaker 2: had to answer in the order that the producer game
Speaker 2: into you. You couldn't. You had to just do it
Speaker 2: exactly follow the instructions. So get it. Get the question
Speaker 2: have you ever cheated on a partner before? So I
Speaker 2: go on a rampage about how no, I haven't, and
Speaker 2: how I think it's really weak when people do this
Speaker 2: and I'm really against it. Da da da, on this
Speaker 2: whole thing about how I think it's like unacceptable. So
Speaker 2: my partner again and I was like, have you ever
Speaker 2: cheated an a partner before? His answer was yes, And
Speaker 2: I was like fuming because in my application, the one
Speaker 2: thing in my non negotiables was I didn't want a cheater.
Speaker 2: That was literally so many times one thing I didn't want.
Speaker 2: And I was like, I just think cheaters are always
Speaker 2: going to be cheaters. You don't change. And I just
Speaker 2: feel like if you can do that once, you can
Speaker 2: do it again. I just that's how I feel. And
Speaker 2: I was like crush, and I just kind of sat
Speaker 2: there like I felt a bit stitched up.
Speaker 1: I was like, right, okay, was showing any formal remorse,
Speaker 1: Like did he feel bad?
Speaker 2: Yes? I think he felt bad. He tried to justify
Speaker 2: why he did it, which I think the reason was worse,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going to share it because it's like
Speaker 2: personal to her. And I was like, that's just made
Speaker 2: it worse, and I was like, okay, and he kind
Speaker 2: of reassured me that he wouldn't do that to me,
Speaker 2: which doesn't really mean anything to me because I'm like,
Speaker 2: he've done it once. So I was a bit rattled
Speaker 2: after that, and I was kind of like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't really know how I feel like it was something
Speaker 2: I was like trying to get over. Then when we
Speaker 2: fast forward, which ties in when we did which you
Speaker 2: didn't have to do, we had to do the couple
Speaker 2: swap and has been the stupidest challenge of all that's history, honestly,
Speaker 2: and we had to go stay with another partner for
Speaker 2: three nights and get perspective. I think was the justification
Speaker 2: the experts time, and I remember vividly producers coming in
Speaker 2: the room with me and Rupert being like, you're not
Speaker 2: allowed to talk to your partner for these three days.
Speaker 2: If you're you're gonna get in trouble by the experts,
Speaker 2: follow the instructions you know, allowed, you know, allowed to
Speaker 2: do that. So I'm like major rule follower and I
Speaker 2: know you are too, and I was like, yeah, sweet,
Speaker 2: that's fine, Like I won't talk to him. The thing
Speaker 2: that wigged us out was that we were like I
Speaker 2: felt like they were like recording us because we were talking
Speaker 2: about like messaging our partners, and then they stormed in
Speaker 2: right after that, and I was like, dude, I think
Speaker 2: they're listening to what was saying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we were get out of the room.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like we were like looking for Mike's in the room.
Speaker 2: I have a video of me like recording him looking
Speaker 2: in the roof and stuff. Meanwhile, he's then being told
Speaker 2: in his head, hey, why don't you think Chinese message you?
Speaker 2: Do you think she's cheating on you? And then they
Speaker 2: really played up that whole cheating narrative with me potentially
Speaker 2: doing it. And then we had a huge blow up
Speaker 2: when I came back from that because he was just
Speaker 2: being weird with me and I didn't really understand why,
Speaker 2: and he was obviously insecurity around that because he had
Speaker 2: done it. So I think if you've done something, you
Speaker 2: can assumed someone's gonna do it to you. And it
Speaker 2: was like a huge fight, like I like was I
Speaker 2: was going to go. I was like, I'm done, I
Speaker 2: don't want to be here anymore. I'm going to go
Speaker 2: back to my apartment in Bondi. And then I wanted
Speaker 2: to say another room. They wouldn't give me another room.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, I'm leaving. You can't stop me.
Speaker 2: It was a full thing, and I ended up staying
Speaker 2: in another room and it was really it was like
Speaker 2: really bad, and it kind of was just like, why
Speaker 2: is he acting like this and being weird to me?
Speaker 2: At the commitment ceremony, none of that was shown, so
Speaker 2: none of the fight. That commitment ceremony is so weird
Speaker 2: to watch back because they didn't touch on that. I
Speaker 2: sat there with the experts and I was like, I'm
Speaker 2: struggling with the x y Z and they just like
Speaker 2: ignored my questions, didn't really like help me through whatever
Speaker 2: that was. And then because it was cut out, so
Speaker 2: none of that was shown, and no one really understood
Speaker 2: why we had the fight, and that whole the whole
Speaker 2: sequence of how that went down didn't make sense, and
Speaker 2: I think people were confused with why he was upset,
Speaker 2: why he felt a type of way, and why there
Speaker 2: was this vibe between us because there was all these
Speaker 2: things that could have been unpacked more that weren't, And
Speaker 2: I think it's hard on the show because people are
Speaker 2: always going to believe what happened is that's it. So
Speaker 2: it's really hard coming off, which I think we've both
Speaker 2: been lucky. We didn't really have anything too difficult to overcome.
Speaker 2: But I think if you've been shown in a certain way,
Speaker 2: it's really really hard to justify or explain yourself after
Speaker 2: the fact because people are going to believe what they saw.
Speaker 2: So I think that did make things difficult for me
Speaker 2: moving forward, but it just also just made more sense.
Speaker 2: It was the only fight we had, and they just
Speaker 2: chose not to show it when it would have just
Speaker 2: given more context to what a real relationship might look
Speaker 2: like and just understandings.
Speaker 1: I just felt like, you guys just didn't get much
Speaker 1: airtime at all. I wanted you to be that cute, yeah,
Speaker 1: funny couple, which.
Speaker 2: I think I'm in hindsight, I'm very happy and glad about.
Speaker 2: But it was. Yeah, the whole experience is just so
Speaker 2: bizarre when you think back. It's crazy.
Speaker 1: The wrap for our first episode so fun c I
Speaker 1: love this new era.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited. I can't wait to be chatting. Each
Speaker 2: week we're going to be bringing you all your favorite
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Speaker 2: It's going to be so fun, so much fun.
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Speaker 2: It's been so fun, so fun this season. Same. Bye guys,
Speaker 2: see you next week. Bye,