1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: This is the weekend edition of Fear and Greed business 2 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:11,400 Speaker 1: news you can use. I'm Michael Thompson and good morning 3 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: Sean Ailmer. 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: Good morning Michael, Sean. 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Our weekend show is all about the two of us, 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: each nominating what we think is the biggest business story 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: of the week, the most remarkable business story, a mystery 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 1: category that changes every single week without warning, and our 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: favorite business ish story. And every week we're joined by 10 00:00:28,200 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: a judged bigle winner. Because it is a competition between 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: the two of us, it's usually our Fear and Greed colleague, 12 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: Adam Lang, but Adam is. 13 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 2: A touch unwell down with the lurgie. 14 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Yes indeed, so we have instead invited into the studio 15 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: to assist us today. Tim Burrow is the publisher of 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: media and marketing website Umbrella and the newsletter Unmade, and 17 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:51,000 Speaker 1: the co host of Media Land on ABC Radio. Very 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: very busy Mantle. We're very fortunate that he's given us 19 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: some time today, Tim, Welcome to Fear and Greed. 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 3: Well, Adam's loss is my gain. How lovely if you're 21 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 3: back unexpectedly, What a nice way to start the weekend. 22 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Tim, and I've also got to thank you. 23 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: Last time you were here, when Michael took some holidays 24 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago. You judged Adam and I 25 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 2: and Adam was in front the whole way until the 26 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:11,279 Speaker 2: very very end. 27 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 4: And you seemed quite surprised to win, if. 28 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 2: I remember, very surprised to win and very grateful. 29 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 4: Well, there we go. 30 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: I will have to see whether whether karma rebalances it 31 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: or whether we get to in a row. 32 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: I love the fact that karma is now one of 33 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: the things that is affecting the judging on this show. 34 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 3: Let's make that a criteria because I was thinking last 35 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 3: time around, I think I gave a point for sledging, 36 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: but it was really unfair because it feels like Adam 37 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 3: doesn't like sledging, really does it, But that's his loss. 38 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 4: But it feels like a more equal battle. This time. 39 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 4: There are two sledges in the room now, I think, 40 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 4: so is that. 41 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: So we are looking for today? What are you looking for? Sledging? 42 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: Obviously one of them? Karma an element of. 43 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 4: I think yea, karma seems to have crept up on us. 44 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 4: As you know. 45 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 3: I do like the the topicality, something that's genuinely happened 46 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 3: in the week, and as you may also remember, zero 47 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 3: tolerance for omnibus answers. 48 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: He's anti omnibus. 49 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where Sean tends to combine multiple stories 50 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: into one, which happens every week. So we will see, 51 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: I've got this in the bag. 52 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 4: We go, we will see. 53 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: Shall we crack on? Then with the biggest rack on story, Sean, 54 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: you go first. 55 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: So I hate to sound like a broken record, and 56 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 2: I know you're going to sound like a broken record too, 57 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: but it's really hard to go past. There are two 58 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: big stories in the week. I'm going to do one, 59 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: I guarantee you, Michael do the other. Mine is definitely 60 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 2: the economy because we had guine quarter inflation reading this 61 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: week came in at two point seven percent for annualized. 62 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: The June quarter itself was zero point six percent. Basically, 63 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 2: we're on the way to the midpoint of the target band. 64 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 2: That is what the Reserve Bank told us three or 65 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: four weeks ago was critical to interest rate cuts. So 66 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 2: we've got an interest rate cut coming next month when 67 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 2: the Reserve Bank meets. Later in the week, we had 68 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: the Deputy Governor of the Reserve Bank, Andrew Houser, talking 69 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 2: about the fact that the Reserve Bank wants to be predictable. Well, 70 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 2: did you know have financial markets have priced in more 71 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: than one hundred percent chance of a rate cut. I 72 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 2: don't know how that happens. And if the Reserve Bank 73 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: does not cut interest rates after the inflation figures this 74 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: week and Andrew Hous's comments this week, I think we 75 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 2: should sack them all. I think we should do a 76 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:27,799 Speaker 2: Donald Trump slash Jerome Powell. We should start browbeating them 77 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 2: until they're out. I'm that confident that the Reserve Bank 78 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 2: will cut interest rates purely on the back of this 79 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: week's inflation figures. 80 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 4: Well. 81 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 3: As a long time listener of the weekend edition, I 82 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 3: can say that you have accurately predicted interest cuts two 83 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 3: hundred of the last two. 84 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's exactly right. 85 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: I am very new terrain here though on the weekend edition. 86 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: We have never had such a big call coming from 87 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,200 Speaker 1: Sean before to either cut rates or heads must roll 88 00:03:58,280 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: at the Reserve Bank. 89 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: A lot of people are listening. I'm sure, Oh that's right. 90 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: I suspect they're in Christis meetings at the going is 91 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,760 Speaker 1: you hear what Sean said? 92 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers calling his friend, Hey, guess what you cu't. 93 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: They're gone. 94 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 1: You never know word could get back to the RBA. 95 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: What she said today is that your entry. 96 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 4: Are you done? 97 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? I can't just tell a little story on that. 98 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: So we when Lissie ellis now the chief economist at Westpac, 99 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: we did something on a speech she did. This is 100 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago now. She rang me the 101 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 2: next day and said, Sean, in that your report this morning, 102 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: you didn't actually get it quite right, and she explained 103 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 2: where I had gone wrong, which is all fine. 104 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: This was when she was still at the RBA. 105 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 2: She was RBA Chief Economist, right. It was tough that 106 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: she was listening to Fear and Grave. That's good. Listen, 107 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: do you listen to us, Lucy? She goes, well, no, no, no, 108 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,279 Speaker 2: I was in was it yoga class or baby yoga 109 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 2: class something yeah, something along, but it was a bit 110 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 2: more exotic than yoga. And one of the mums listens 111 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 2: to us and told Lucy, who then went and listened 112 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 2: to us and told us, and so like, I was 113 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 2: so totally deflated from the chief economist. There's a event 114 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: listening to us to actually was in mum's group and 115 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:05,680 Speaker 2: someone listens. 116 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 4: The yoga word of matth. It's starting wrong with that. 117 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. And as we know, Tim, one of 118 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: the main ways that word gets around about in the 119 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: way that podcast grows word of mouth. 120 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: And so I la class now that I think of it, yes, 121 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: is that it feels about yes anyway. 122 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: So what you're saying basically is that word could get 123 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,040 Speaker 1: back to the RBA that you are calling for their 124 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: jobs to go. 125 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: Well if they do zomber regularly enough, yes. 126 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: Okay, good, okay, Well that's a good entry. It was, though, 127 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 1: a bigger week this week in politics, A massive, massive 128 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: week in politics, which I say every week to be honest, 129 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: but this week, this week, I actually mean it. It's 130 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: not that I don't mean it on other occasions, but 131 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: I mean it more today. 132 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 2: So there must be a point a point one single. 133 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: Point A lot happened this week and in politics, no, no, no, no, 134 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: And I had to choose. I had to choose what 135 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:00,080 Speaker 1: I was going to put forward, and so I can 136 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: do I talk about the first legislation passing in terms 137 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: of the HEX debt cuts sixteen billion dollars in Hex's 138 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: debt being wiped what I thought, No, no, no, I 139 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: won't mention that. 140 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: One so you don't want me to consider that. 141 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: No, no, don't get to do that one. Climate change 142 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: policy back on the agenda, that was a big one. 143 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: National MP Barnaby Joyce introducing a bill calling for the 144 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: repeal of the net zero goal. 145 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: So that's not part of the entry. 146 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: That is not part of the entry either, So I 147 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: don't think about it, don't count that one. The governmentsgeous 148 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: banning YouTube for kids under sixteen in the interest of 149 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: preserving mental health. Now, we said right that we wanted 150 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: bold from the government because they've got this big kind 151 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: of mandate, massive majority. We wanted bold action. I'd say 152 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 1: this is bold, right. This is a reversal of a 153 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: previous exemption that was talked about for YouTube. There was 154 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: a massive lobbying campaign by YouTube to try and kind 155 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: of secure and maintain this exemption. It's unsuccessful. So now 156 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: YouTube is going to be in with the rest of them, 157 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: in with Facebook and Instagram and snapchat and x and 158 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: TikTok and read it as well. In being age restricted. 159 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: This is a massive, massive, massive story, and not just 160 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 1: here a story. It is bigger than big, It is 161 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: huger than massive, It is extraordinarily large and it's going 162 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 1: to be watched around the world. 163 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: Caveat. And this isn't against Michael's story. It's just a 164 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: comment that it's bold that the government did this. It 165 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: was unbold that they didn't do it to begin with. 166 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: So they threw in you know, snapchat, TikTok, ex et cetera. 167 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: Read it, but they gave into YouTube. I mean, where's 168 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 2: your carriage? Fellas? 169 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 4: It was extraordinary. 170 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 3: Now, I funnily enough, you may not have yet had 171 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: a chance to listen to last night's edition of Media Land, 172 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 3: but we did spend some time talking about this very topic. 173 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 3: So you have you have ticked a box for a 174 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: subject which interested me this week. Michael, just a bit 175 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 3: shameless going for immediate topic. 176 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: Considering I had, I had three options before me, and 177 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, just looking at you across the desk, and 178 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: you know what, Forget the other two. Let's focus solely 179 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: as I don't think climate change interesting, but tas many 180 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: at all, considering your professional interest, it's you two. 181 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 4: More when it was the biggest, when in doubt, play 182 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: to the place of the judge. 183 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 3: So yeah, choosing between them, as I say, economy rate 184 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 3: cut predictions, as I say, I've done the calculation. I 185 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 3: have heard you predict the last two rate cuts two 186 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 3: hundred times, so so that I think we'll find out 187 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: whether you are finally right this time. Obviously, but but 188 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 3: but yes, but but I think for for this one, 189 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 3: Michael has shamelessly picked a topic which I'm very interested in. 190 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 4: So Round one goes to Michael. 191 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: Bring back Adam early days. 192 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 2: I would always go economy like you guarantee win on 193 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 2: economy without them. 194 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: But see, I will gladly embrace the accusation of being shameless. 195 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: I have never claimed to be honorable on this show. 196 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 1: Like this is this is this is perfect, this is ideal. 197 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: I'm comfortable now, Okay one Neil heading into the second round, 198 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 1: this is the most remarkable story you go first. 199 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 2: Thank you, because I feel I need to play the 200 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 2: judge now like I've had to change a bit. Yeah, 201 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: you've taught. 202 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: Me that to change mine. But you know what, I'm 203 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: gonna stick with what. I'm going to go with my 204 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: gut on this one because I genuinely believe that Telstra 205 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: flying under the radar to be one of the best 206 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: performing large caps of the last year is a remarkable 207 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: story of the last year. Well I'm going to point 208 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: out that the last week is part of the last year, 209 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: so technically it's fine. 210 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 4: It's a fifty second. 211 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like one. 212 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: Can you, tim where do you stand on the merit 213 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: point for nitpicking? I do like, yeah, I would penalize him. 214 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: So it's so much focus obviously on the banks and 215 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: the miners and all the talk of the big switch 216 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: and everything, which is which absolutely we've talked about that necessarily. 217 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,840 Speaker 1: But good old Telstra, right, whether it's one point one 218 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: million shareholders, has just been powering on. It's just been 219 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: doing its thing and at share prices up twenty three 220 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: percent this year, twenty seven percent over the past twelve months, 221 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: investors obviously liking whether the company's positioned in the mobile sector. 222 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: It's got good cost control, good management. It's paying dividends, 223 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 1: which is welcome news to its many many, many, many 224 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: many shareholders. One point one million shareholders. This matters to. 225 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: Its many many, many, many. 226 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: Many times times a million. I don't know how much 227 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: do you award points for melodrama. 228 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 4: Tim Well, I do like melodrama as well. 229 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 5: I keep going. 230 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: I also have a prediction, by the way, because see 231 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 3: Sean going online. Are that he's checking what tels share 232 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 3: price has moved this week. 233 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: No, just no, don't give him ideas. He wasn't doing 234 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: that and now he is. 235 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 4: Now. 236 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 1: Okay, Telstra arguably is not particularly sexy, right. 237 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,360 Speaker 2: Oh please, but those handhelds. 238 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave that one alone. 239 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 4: But can tell you what, thank you. 240 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 2: We don't need to say the word. 241 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 4: We just leave it there. Yep. 242 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: But considering that Telstra is close to the best performing 243 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: large cap right, and considering I am here in this 244 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: studio today representing the people, and Telstra man of the people, 245 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: man of the people, and Telstra is kind of the 246 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: Telstra is kind of the people's company, right, it's the 247 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:53,760 Speaker 1: people's telco. This is this is a guaranteed win with that, 248 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: don't you don't seem convinced. I mean, you haven't heard Sean. 249 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 4: Yet the main open minded. 250 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, just so that if you vote 251 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 1: against me, you're voting against the people. 252 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 4: I will certainly boar that in mind. 253 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: Karma will get you go. Sean. 254 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean, I suppose it's a good effort. 255 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: I don't even know whether I push it that far, 256 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: because what you're up against your Telstra, the AI giants. 257 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 2: This week we got results from Microsoft from Meta, which 258 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 2: basically was the first time we've seen they're making money 259 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: out of AI. Apple actually had a really strong quarter 260 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 2: as well. We're talking about the Dune quarter. Apple had 261 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 2: a really strong quarter, but that was mostly because of 262 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 2: the sales of hardware, phones and iPhones in China. Actually, 263 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 2: and Amazon actually was a bit disappointing. And Amazon is 264 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 2: definitely an AI Amazon Web services company. But really, if 265 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 2: you go back to Microsoft, it benefits from the AI 266 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: boom because people need lots of computing power through the 267 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 2: Zoo cloud computing business. They benefit from it. You know, 268 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 2: you get all your micro Soft software. It's all our 269 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 2: power now, so kind of it's a virtuous circle. For 270 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: that particular company. They're selling like seventy five billion US 271 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: a year. That's just phenomenal. Then you go to Meta. 272 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 2: It's quarterly revenue was close to fifty billion. It's just 273 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,440 Speaker 2: the numbers are astounding. 274 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,359 Speaker 4: It's a billion for a moment, No, I did say billion. 275 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: Billion, yes, staggering billion billion, So sorry, I said, seventy 276 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 2: five billion is the quarterly figure for Microsoft, almost fifty 277 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 2: billion for Meta. Right, enormous, enormous. The capex they're spending 278 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 2: is literally hundreds of billions of dollars. But this week, 279 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 2: what we found out for these results, they're making money 280 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: for it. It's actually worth it. And I did mention 281 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 2: Apple good result. People don't like Apple quite as much 282 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: because it isn't quite as hooked onto the AI cloud revolutions. 283 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 4: So he doesn't seem very clever yet doesn't not yet. 284 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: No, No, that's exactly right, and she'll get better. I 285 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 2: mean she's gone back to school, she's being educated, and 286 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: we're talking like university, not high school, so she's on 287 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 2: the way. Emazon was just a bit disappointing. It's still 288 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 2: it's connected to that. But I mean, what that shows 289 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 2: is just how fickle the market is, because if you 290 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: don't quite do what the market wants, you're in trouble. 291 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: So my so Telstra's lovely, excellent story. A lot of 292 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 2: shareholders out there. But you want to be at the 293 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 2: forefront of what's happening in the world, right, You've got 294 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 2: to go to the big guys, the Magnificent seven. Maybe 295 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 2: it's the Magnificent five now because it's Turtla in there. 296 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: I'm not so sure it is Apple in there. Not 297 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 2: so sure. But the AI web sort of cloud computing giants. Wow, 298 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 2: they're making some serious money. We found out this week. 299 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 4: Tim, Wow, very tricky. 300 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: I have taken the trouble of looking at how much 301 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: the Telstra share price moved this week. That well, up 302 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: zero point three percent. 303 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: Oh that's flat. 304 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 2: I would say, that's pretty flat. 305 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: Isn't a bad word for growing by zero point three percent? 306 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: So you want to know how much Microsoft was work 307 00:14:55,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 2: for a moment this week? More than four trillion dollar. 308 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 2: These guys they all need chips as well. So n 309 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: Video is now worth four point four trillion dollars because 310 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 2: it's been riding the way with these other guys. This 311 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: is big, Tim, don't let me down. 312 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: Look it has been. It's been a fascinating week for 313 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 3: the Tech Result. So I have to say I think 314 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 3: Sean chose the right topic. So I'm going to give 315 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 3: that round to Sean Gamed and the judge very much. 316 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: She certainly did, although objectively I think yours was a 317 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: better story. 318 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 3: But what I can say, because I've also been scoring 319 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 3: point by point, and although it's one round each, there 320 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: is a difference in the overall points, but I won't 321 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 3: share that for now. 322 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: What a great teaser. This is a hook through to 323 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: get us through the breaks. We are going to take 324 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: a very quick break and then come back with our 325 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 1: mystery category of the week. We'll be back in a second. 326 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: All right, Sean, we are now into our mystery category. 327 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: It is one all and Tim, you have done an 328 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: admirable job so far. 329 00:15:58,320 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 4: We've judging. 330 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: Really this is the one that's going to test you 331 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: out though, because the category for our mystery round is 332 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: stories where things Falter. 333 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 2: Falter being the operative and understated word in this. 334 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 4: This a little tribute to the sick Adam Lang faltering. 335 00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 2: Oh it is now nice? Nice, and what you do 336 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: with his health? 337 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: Sorry Savage has not even here to defend himself. This 338 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: is brutal taken away, Sean Falter. 339 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: What faulted this week the Australian EU trade deal? So 340 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: this week the EU announced a deal on with the 341 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,040 Speaker 2: US involved hundreds of dn't give me that long. 342 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: I was just thinking it's never a good assignment. Tim 343 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 1: starts nodding vigorously as soon as you start talking about no. 344 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: That's the equivalent of that. It's the equivalent of when 345 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 1: Adam just starts writing furiously as. 346 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: He going no, it's taking something, which presumably is when 347 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: you've said tax reform. 348 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 2: Reform, you don't just reform anyway. Basically, the he's done 349 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: the deal with the US fifteen percent tariff there and 350 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 2: Donald Trump says hundreds of billions of dollars will be 351 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,720 Speaker 2: spent in the US. The details are hazy on all these, right, 352 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 2: But that took a lot of their time. They're trying 353 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: to do a deal with South American countries Argentina and Brazil, Paraguay, Uruguay. 354 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: That's taking their time. So Australia's great hope of doing 355 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 2: a deal with the EU. It's not that it's been scotched. 356 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 2: Great word that one scotched, it's the fact that it's 357 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 2: just been pushed down the latter and they're unlikely. So 358 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 2: the beautifully beautifully named Ursula Vonderlayan, the EU Commissioner, is 359 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 2: unlikely to meet our Trade Minister Don Fell this year. 360 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: So that's something that's faltering. And I was thinking about this, 361 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 2: and so that's my entry, but I was thinking about 362 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,640 Speaker 2: this more broadly, and like any trade deal at the moment, 363 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: seems to be faltering. So Donald Trump did a deal 364 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 2: with India twenty five percent, right, done, done, dusted, signed, 365 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 2: and now later he has We're still negotiating, and the 366 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: poor Indians are like, not in remote I thought would 367 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 2: come to an agreement here somehow. The Canadians, Mark Carney 368 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 2: is doing his best because of course yesterday was the deadline, 369 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:06,440 Speaker 2: the one August deadline for Taris. They're doing their absolute 370 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: best to get a deal across the line. Same with 371 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 2: the Mexicans. Those that have done a deal, they're not 372 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: actually sure whether it's a deal or not, so I'm 373 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: using the Australia EU one. But it just highlights how 374 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: these trade deals are all faltering. If you're nasty, you 375 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 2: can call it the Taku trade. Trump a ways chickens out, 376 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 2: but I wouldn't do that. He's just negotiating like a businessman. 377 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: It's a good story. 378 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 2: It is a good story. 379 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 4: Like a very untrustworthy businessman. 380 00:18:32,760 --> 00:18:34,920 Speaker 2: Oh, we wouldn't go that far as the President of 381 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 2: the United States isn't if he be untrustworthy? How's your 382 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: golf anyway? 383 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 4: Do you know? I think I would need all of 384 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 4: the assistance of a Trump caddy. 385 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: Oh I wasn't that extraordinary? It's brilliant And if you 386 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: haven't seen the video, it's worth going and checking out. 387 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 2: In fact, that is the video of the week. Look 388 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 2: it up. Trump Caddie golf ch Turnbree. I think it 389 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: was where he's playing. Yeah, he's golf course there and 390 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: it's got man cheating. Well, Tim, you're a bit. 391 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 4: Rum I'm just suggesting some words that you might want 392 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 4: to search on cheating, just. 393 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: To help you google search terms. Okay, that's a good story. 394 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 1: Most remarkable, No, No, most faltering faltering story faltering Okay, 395 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 1: my entry in the stories where things falter. Australia's space industry, right. 396 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: And surprise you're doing a space story. 397 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: It's also it was a contender for the biggest story 398 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: of the week. But I don't know whether Yeah, I 399 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: don't think I was going to get off the ground, 400 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: depending on where on who you ask. Really, Australia's space 401 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: industry is either faltering or it is finally actually kind 402 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 1: of taking off. Because this week we had Gilmour Space 403 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: Technologies launching the first ever Australian made rocket, which is 404 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 1: that this should be a source of national pride. Right, 405 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: It didn't make it a huge dis stance past the 406 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: launch pad. It wasn't up for a particularly long time 407 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: it was thirteen seconds, and. 408 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 2: It didn't make it four to five k's high for 409 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: those winds to not knock it off. 410 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: No, it didn't because I had to delay the launch 411 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: initially because I was worried about high altitude winds. And 412 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: really that wasn't a concern in the end, because it 413 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: just kind of went up a little bit and then 414 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: moved sideways and then came back down to Earth and 415 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 1: crashed and kind of blew up. But to be fair, 416 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: the rocket had been sitting on the launch pad for 417 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: eighteen months, so it was probably always not going to 418 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: end particularly well. But this is and I cannot, I 419 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:41,760 Speaker 1: cannot emphasize this enough. This is not understate this huge. 420 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: This is phenomenally huge. This is the first step towards 421 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: Australia having sovereign capability in this area. We will soon, soon, 422 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:57,200 Speaker 1: at some point soon be able to launch Australian made 423 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,200 Speaker 1: rockets and put our own satellites and things into space. 424 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 2: Can I just remind you this is fultering. 425 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 4: That was exactly the question I know was about this. 426 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 2: The category is faultering. 427 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: The rocket itself faulted. The industry is booming, right, Okay, 428 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: so what a rocket industry should be doing absolutely and 429 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,160 Speaker 1: the thing is right, we will soon not be dependent 430 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,959 Speaker 1: on other countries, the US, anywhere else to get stuff in. 431 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: And maybe I'm an optimist. Actually it does sound like that. 432 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: But Gilmore Space Technologies is expecting big things from this. 433 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: They reckon they can raise just off the back of 434 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: this launch and the fact that they said this actually 435 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: ticked all the boxes. Sure it didn't get into space, 436 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 1: it didn't go very high, but it showed that it 437 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: can take off. It showed that all the various components 438 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 1: worked once it actually got up. They think they can 439 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 1: raise another one hundred and fifty million dollars from investors 440 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: off the back of that because they've proven that parts 441 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: of this can actually work, and that will take the 442 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: valuation of this company to one billion dollars. It's worth 443 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: also noting some of the investors that are already in here. 444 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: You've got like VC funds like Blackbird Ventures and main Sequence, 445 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: but super funds like hester Host plus, they're all in this. 446 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: They see an optimist. They are as optimistic as I am. 447 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,399 Speaker 1: You know what this is when you have super funds, 448 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 1: When you have super funds investing in rockets like this, 449 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: that means that this rocket is owned by a whole 450 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: lot of people, which makes Gilmore Space Technologies the people's rocket. 451 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 2: Or it means the super funds don't have too much 452 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 2: money and don't know where to invest, likeah, let's. 453 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: Put something into that rocket over there. Yes, this is 454 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: the people's rocket. This is sure that rocket faulted. The 455 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: industry is just getting off the ground and it is 456 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: a very very exciting time to be in Australian. 457 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 3: Oh now, this is very tricky choosing between those two, 458 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: because you know, Shawn's was very worthy. 459 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm in trouble, Michael, I'm in trouble, yeah. 460 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 3: Which which sort of may think okay worthy, sort of 461 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 3: you know, a very rational argument. Then I got very 462 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 3: excited to hear Michael's, not least because it'd been one 463 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 3: of those weeks where a few times I kept sort 464 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 3: of seeing this kind of just video clip of Australian 465 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 3: rocket blows that go puss without actually digging in. So 466 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 3: I'm finally going to learn actually what this video clip 467 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 3: that kept going past me was the content, which was 468 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 3: really kind of. 469 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, useful. 470 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 3: But then as your presentation went on and on, we 471 00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 3: seemed to be going further and further away and from 472 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 3: away from the faltering. 473 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: You know what, I love that my presentation went six 474 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,360 Speaker 1: times longer than the launch itself. 475 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,720 Speaker 3: He arguably did, didn't it, But yes, but in scoring 476 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: I did give it to Michael. 477 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: It's an area I'm very passionate. Oh jeez, I'm so passionate. 478 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm failing my arms about. And I just I'm genuinely 479 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: excited to think that Australia could actually be in this 480 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: in this space, and wouldn't that be amazing space? 481 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,159 Speaker 2: Look, I mean the judgment was wrong, but leaving that aside, 482 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 2: I am very excited about the fact that they got 483 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,320 Speaker 2: as far as they got. Yeah, it's very cool. 484 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 5: That it actually took off, and I like the fact 485 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 5: that the judgment's wrong. Right, duly, notice still time to 486 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 5: make up in the last one. And I would also 487 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 5: just remind you I've realized I've not yet given any 488 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 5: points for sledgings, So do feel free to go hard 489 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 5: against each other in the last rounds, all right, each 490 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,639 Speaker 5: other or you, whichever one you think will well is 491 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 5: most likely to score you the points. I'll let you 492 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 5: use your judgment on that showan. 493 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 2: Right, my favorite story? Can I go first? Please? This 494 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 2: is a lay down Masaire in terms of the best 495 00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:25,080 Speaker 2: story of the week. Anyone out there listening ever worked 496 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: in an office, ever found themselves in a meeting slide 497 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 2: forty seven, forty eight, and he's like, oh my god, 498 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 2: please get me out of here. Well, there's a new 499 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 2: man on the block. His name is Nuno Mattos. He's 500 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: an Z chief executive. He put out a company wide email. 501 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 2: Two changes he wants at the bank, Two simple little changes. 502 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 2: Presentations maximum off five pages, preferably less. Match Adeline did 503 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 2: a presentation of five pages. 504 00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: Can you imagine if we applied that to this show, 505 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: how short my entries would be? 506 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 2: Sorry, go on, he wants at five pages? He even 507 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 2: said what he wants. He wants an intro. You know 508 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 2: what's the problem, the opportunity, the proposed solution, and then 509 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 2: supporting evidence and next steps. Pretty simple, he said, less 510 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,920 Speaker 2: than five pages is even better. Second change, every meeting 511 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: should actually have a purpose. Whoa what meeting? 512 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 4: The purpose? 513 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: Surely not when in an agenda clear desired outcomes stayed 514 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: at the start of the meeting, action items, deadline set 515 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: at the end of the meeting. I'd like to add 516 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 2: one and this is very much in line with how 517 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 2: we do things here at for Ingrid, I don't want 518 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 2: to get notes of the meeting which goes on, for Michael, 519 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,399 Speaker 2: the one hundred pages, because it ever actually is a 520 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: new notes of the meeting. It just adds on to 521 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 2: the old notes of the meeting. Now there's three of 522 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 2: us in this organization. Well, no, that's not right. It's five, 523 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 2: but three of us in the business part of the organization. 524 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,679 Speaker 2: One of those three seems to like giving us notes 525 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 2: that go on for hundreds of pages. 526 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: Michael, it's not me, and I'm going to defend the 527 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 1: only one who's knock here, Adam laying. 528 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: Because he's listening. 529 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: Because it feels as though you chose this topic thinking 530 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: that Adam is going to be here and there's my 531 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: chance to tell him what I think of his notes. 532 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 1: And now he's not here, and you didn't back off. 533 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: You've in fact double down. 534 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 2: I've doubled down because he's not here, and I'm not 535 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 2: quite you know what Adam's he's such a nice person. 536 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 3: Well, think of Adam this Saturday morning, still feeling a bit. 537 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 3: He's maybe wrapped up in a blanket. Maggie is maybe 538 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: wrapped around. 539 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 4: His toes his dog. It's just a clarify and he's 540 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 4: just like relaxing and to thinking, Okay, well I will 541 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 4: listen and see and then he gets to that point. 542 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 4: Imagine how sad he'll feel. 543 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: Can you imagine the sledging points. I'm going to get 544 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 2: that at the end of the day, right, See, vans 545 00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:54,760 Speaker 2: in small presentations make a meeting count that That is 546 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 2: leadership at its absolute finest. My favorite story, Michael. 547 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: My favorite story. I'm going to keep this one very 548 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: very brief. Pets on planes. 549 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: See, this is going to win or lose depending on 550 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 2: Tim's view, because Tim flies very. 551 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 1: You know where you stand on a lot of issues. 552 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: I do not know where you stand on this particular one. 553 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 4: So after you've given. 554 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: And I'm going to tell you where I stand on 555 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 1: this one. What a disaster. Right, virgin Australia is going 556 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,359 Speaker 1: to allow small pets on board by the end of 557 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,080 Speaker 1: the year. They had to get an exemption from food 558 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 1: safety laws in order to do it, which honestly should 559 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: have been a red flag from the beginning. Right, if 560 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: you have to get exemptions from food safety laws, I'm 561 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,879 Speaker 1: concerned under this policy small pets can be taken on 562 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 1: board it's limited to two designated rows. The animal must 563 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,720 Speaker 1: be able to fit under the seat in front, which 564 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 1: is just a funny concept anyway, that they've got to 565 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: be in a desert like an approved carrier. You've got 566 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,440 Speaker 1: to be able to fit that under there. How long 567 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: before someone tries to fit kind of mittens up into 568 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 1: the overhead compartment instead because they won't quite fit in 569 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: the under in the underseat in front. What this is 570 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: going to do? 571 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: Right? The animal? Yeah, intact, it's a cat. 572 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: I'm assuming I was trying to think, what is a 573 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: generic cat name Mittens. 574 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 2: Tittles Tittles saying that I was thinking that actually Mittens. 575 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: No, it's a cat called Mittens. 576 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 4: Sean. 577 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: Just picture this cat, this yowling, screeching cat up to 578 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: eight kilos, right, which is a very big cat. Right, 579 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: that's practically a small lion. And you are putting that 580 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: into this carrier and you're trying to jam it under 581 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: the seat in front. Absolute disaster. What this is going 582 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: to do? 583 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 4: Right? 584 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: It is going to take just one cat or one 585 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: dog to escape because their owner just wants to just 586 00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: pet them and comfort them through the takeoff or the 587 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 1: landing or something. Right, And that dog is going to 588 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: get loose, or that cat is going to get loose. 589 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: But it's okay because they're going to just do it 590 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: on just a few select roots, just some quiet roots, 591 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: like Sydney to Melbourne, Tims Melbourn. Yeah, and can you 592 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:13,719 Speaker 1: imagine then one dog gets loose, the smell, the noise, 593 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: the allergies. People will be sneezing all over the plane. 594 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: There'll be mucus and dog and cat bits everywhere. This 595 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: is a disaster waiting to happen. Everything is wrong with this. 596 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: I've got a cat, I have got a dog. Neither 597 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,440 Speaker 1: of them will ever come on a plane with me 598 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: unless they are in the cargo hold. That is a 599 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: firm Do you know, a rock solid commitment. 600 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: Do you know what I wonder about? So our dog? 601 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: If there's any change in air pressure, if there's any 602 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 2: like a siren going past, it just starts howling. So 603 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 2: when you're in a plane and the air pressure does change, 604 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,360 Speaker 2: and sometimes it affects your ears, Yeah, you're gonna have 605 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 2: all these dogs underneath go. That's things going on. And 606 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 2: this is what I mean. 607 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: I just don't think this is and I know what 608 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: happens in the US already I just don't think we 609 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 1: need it here. 610 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: I'm not quite as against it as you had, to be. 611 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,720 Speaker 1: Honest, I'm very passionate about this, tim Well. 612 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 3: I mean it is funny enough, it is a topic 613 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 3: very close to hearts. I found myself watching with some 614 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 3: interest dis announcement. As you know, I live in Tasmania 615 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: at the moment, but I'm probably gonna have to move 616 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 3: back to Sydney at some point because the business gets 617 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:23,720 Speaker 3: busier and I. 618 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 4: Will have to transport a cat when I do, and. 619 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 3: Little Sophia is not going to enjoy it in the hold. 620 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 4: But I am also very. 621 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 3: Conscious that when little Sophia even goes on a card journey, 622 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 3: little Sphea doesn't like it and tends to make some 623 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 3: quite bad smells. And I struggle to picture myself me too, 624 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 3: making eye contact with my fellow passengers if the cat 625 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 3: is tucked. 626 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 4: In front of me. 627 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 2: So I. 628 00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 3: I think I'm with Michael, I think as well, argued 629 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 3: I I. 630 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 4: Think you're there. 631 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 3: But I also feel very strongly about meeting at a care. 632 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 4: Summaries of meetings. 633 00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 3: That's what AI is for now, totally note taking. I 634 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 3: saw a great somebody shared a great thing on Reddit recently. 635 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 3: Their strategy for these meeting summaries is they joined the 636 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 3: meeting a minute before of their colleagues and they tell 637 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 3: the AI I'm on board the Titanic. It's sinking. I 638 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 3: need you to rescue me. So that when the summary 639 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: goes round afterwards, the first note point is the crew 640 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 3: members need to go and rescue their colleague from the 641 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 3: sinking ship. 642 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 4: That's good, which is a great which is a great plan. 643 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: We stayed to scott Farquad this week. He oft Lessian 644 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 2: fame is at the National Press Club. He gave me 645 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,560 Speaker 2: the best advice I've ever heard on AI. He said, 646 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 2: use it every day, so he's not talking about work, 647 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 2: just in your every day. You know, talk to it 648 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 2: when you're in the car trying to think of what 649 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 2: you're going to do for the day. Actually ask it 650 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 2: to you. It might be creating a meal plan for night, 651 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 2: what I'm going to do that for me? Or it 652 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: might be, hey, I've got to summarize this document. He said, 653 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 2: use it every day because then it becomes part of 654 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: your life. I tried wearing an AI pendant for a 655 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 2: week where it literally took took notes of everything you did. 656 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 2: And firstly it's incredibly intrusive, obviously recording every conversation. But 657 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 2: what it did in the end mean was there was 658 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 2: a great recording of its last moments when I left 659 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 2: it behind at the airport. So no, no, no, no, 660 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: I don't know that we have we haven't got the scored. 661 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 2: We have not Michael that last round. 662 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 4: Yes, so it was actually a drawer in the last. 663 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: Round he said, I think Michael's got it, and then 664 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 1: he backtracked and said, actually I like meeting any. 665 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you both you both scored the same on 666 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,040 Speaker 3: that one. So as it stands before we give points 667 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 3: for sledging, we sit with Michael one point ahead. But 668 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 3: I have given Sean the point for sledging against Adam. 669 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 3: Can you believe that on a points basis? I hate 670 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 3: people giving drawers, but I'm afraid I've given a drawer. 671 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 2: Michael, think about these facts. It's a moral victory to you, yes, 672 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 2: because for the first time ever you've come out as 673 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: a nice guy. 674 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: I did not lose points for sledging. I didn't gain 675 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: points for sledging. I just presented some convincing arguments and 676 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: really I should have won for that. This is great. 677 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: There we go except for the fact that I didn't win. 678 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 2: I think a moral victory to you. 679 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll take it. Thank you, Thank you for judging 680 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: me the winner. 681 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 4: Tim, My pleasure and get well soon. 682 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 2: Adam, thanks right, and Tim, thank you very much for 683 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 2: judging the drawer. 684 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: That was Tim Burrows, the publisher of media and marketing 685 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 1: website Umbrella, the newsletter unmade as well in the co 686 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: host of media land on ABS. 687 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 2: Very busy, isn't he? 688 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: Is? 689 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 2: He is? I'm just worried about Sofia because Tim is 690 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 2: commuting so much, He's working so hard. What about little. 691 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 3: Sophia is very lucky to have a very good cut 692 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 3: setter when I'm away, who possibly might even be her 693 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 3: favorite human. 694 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: Reading to put her in the cargo hold of a plane. 695 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: Thank you Tim, Thank you, Sean. 696 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:04,120 Speaker 2: Thanks Michael. 697 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: Make sure you're following the podcast and please join us 698 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,720 Speaker 1: online on LinkedIn, Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, and X. I'm Michael Thompson. 699 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,720 Speaker 1: And that was Fear and Greed. Have a great weekend.