WEBVTT - Sharri | 20 January

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<v Speaker 1>Live on Sky News. This is Sharry.

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<v Speaker 2>Good Evening. Massive show tonight the Red Cross embarrassed after

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<v Speaker 2>Hermas terrorists swarmed their convoys. Are these brutes really the

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<v Speaker 2>heroes of lefty students and the international community? Plus what's

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<v Speaker 2>next for the hostages who finally came home last night?

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<v Speaker 2>Also on the show, will cross to Washington ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's inauguration, and I'll tell you which high profile Australian

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<v Speaker 2>hopped in the secret Service motorcade. Also tonight, the deeply

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<v Speaker 2>serious allegations which led to the departure of Nine's news

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<v Speaker 2>boss are revealed for the first time. It's worse than

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<v Speaker 2>previously thought. That exclusive story in a moment, and Attorney

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<v Speaker 2>General Mark Dreyfus is called out over Labour's anti Israel campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharon Haskell would join me live

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<v Speaker 2>a bit later, but first tonight. Nothing shows the stark

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<v Speaker 2>difference between the barbaric terrorism of her Musk controlled Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>and the peaceful celebration of love in Israel than the

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<v Speaker 2>images we saw overnight. Three innocent girls finally being freed

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<v Speaker 2>from brutes were surrounded by her muss and jeering Palestinians.

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<v Speaker 2>Even as they were being put in Red Cross ambulances.

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<v Speaker 2>This disgusting display of terrorsm of brutality, it's everything we

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<v Speaker 2>should and do reject as a Western democracy when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk about misogyny and the Me too movement, But look

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<v Speaker 2>at this young girls surrounded by terrorism as they're put

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<v Speaker 2>in Red Cross ambulances. As you can see Hamas literally

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<v Speaker 2>crawling all over the Red Cross vehicles. It's appalling brutality.

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<v Speaker 2>It's beyond misogyny. It's rape culture, it's intimidation, it's terrorism

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<v Speaker 2>and the celebration of terror. And this is the place

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<v Speaker 2>that Pennywang and Anthony Albanesi and the entire moorally corrupt

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<v Speaker 2>federal labor government would like to reward with statehood.

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<v Speaker 3>It demands.

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<v Speaker 4>The recognition of Palestinian Palestinians aspirations for statehood.

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<v Speaker 2>To that demand that they make over and over again,

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<v Speaker 2>I say, are you joking? Get real? These brutes can't

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<v Speaker 2>have a seat at the United Nations or any other

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<v Speaker 2>international body alongside properly functioning human beings. Those scenes overnight

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<v Speaker 2>should once and for all put an end to the

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<v Speaker 2>discussion about recognition of a Palestinian state unless there's total

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<v Speaker 2>reform and new leadership. Gaza is broken. They can be

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<v Speaker 2>no statehood right now. They don't deserve it. After October

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<v Speaker 2>seven and the abhorrent war crimes of taking girls, even

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<v Speaker 2>a baby and a child hostage. They can't possibly contribute

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<v Speaker 2>to discover ussions about civilization when they rape, behead and

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<v Speaker 2>kidnap innocent people. Those powerful and shocking images of a

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish girl de ron Steinbrecher surrounded by terrorists, they will

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<v Speaker 2>become historic. Look at the fear in her face. This

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<v Speaker 2>is one brave woman, a warrior. She, along with the

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<v Speaker 2>other girls, they are the very symbols of defiance, of strength,

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<v Speaker 2>of positivity, of an unbreakable spirit that wasn't defeated despite

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<v Speaker 2>the cruelty around them. All of this footage that we've seen,

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<v Speaker 2>it also shows quite sadly that despite the incredible headway

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<v Speaker 2>Israel has made over the past fifteen months, Hamas is

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<v Speaker 2>still thriving and in control. The cowardly cockroaches hid under

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<v Speaker 2>schools and hospitals, and they've only come out onto the

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<v Speaker 2>streets in the open because there's a ceasefire. And with

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<v Speaker 2>images like this of Harmas gunmen standing on top of

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<v Speaker 2>Red Cross ambulances, well it's pretty easy to see how

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<v Speaker 2>they've been looting a trucks that Israel has sent into

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza as well. It's a fact the international community has ignored,

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<v Speaker 2>as they prefer to blame Israel for not providing enough aid.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I know the sight of the Red Cross van

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<v Speaker 2>stepping into the spotlight at this pivotal moment coming to

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<v Speaker 2>the rescue, well, it was frustrating. They were there for

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<v Speaker 2>the publicity, but like all the other aid organizations, the

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<v Speaker 2>Red Cross didn't lift a finger to help the hostages

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<v Speaker 2>the entire time they were in Gaza, and many still

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<v Speaker 2>remain they're humanitarian hypocrites. Did they object at all as

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas swarmed their vehicles, overwhelming these young girls. And you

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<v Speaker 2>have to look by contrast at the joyous, emotional, peaceful,

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<v Speaker 2>loving vigils that were held in Israel overnight.

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<v Speaker 1>Or more not locking.

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<v Speaker 4>Thee but I feel like it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's money.

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<v Speaker 2>It couldn't be more different, families singing, hugging and crying

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<v Speaker 2>as three beautiful girls were finally brought home, Emily de

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<v Speaker 2>Maari romy gone In and Doron Steinbrecher, young girls who

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<v Speaker 2>should never have endured, not even one day, let alone

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<v Speaker 2>four hundred and seventy one days in cruel and barbarica

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<v Speaker 2>mask captivity, and we saw their emotional reunions with their

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<v Speaker 2>mothers and their family. Here's Emily, the twenty eight year

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<v Speaker 2>old British Israeli reunited with her family and friends after

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<v Speaker 2>she was kidnapped from her home at the Kafar Azakibutz

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<v Speaker 2>in Israel on October sevenious Or Harmas shot her dog

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<v Speaker 2>and they shot her as well, and as you saw there,

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<v Speaker 2>she's missing two fingers. Then there's romy Gone aged twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was abducted from the Nova Music festival and

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<v Speaker 2>here you can see her embracing her family, and Doron Steinbrecher,

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<v Speaker 2>also kidnapped from Kiboltz kava Za, clung to her family

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<v Speaker 2>in another emotional reunion. We can't even begin to comprehend

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<v Speaker 2>the unbearable pain these girls and their families have endured

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<v Speaker 2>for the past fifteen months. And there are still thirty

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<v Speaker 2>more hostages for release in this first phase of the deal,

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<v Speaker 2>although we know not all are alive. And then there's

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<v Speaker 2>another sixty hostages after that, again not all are alive.

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<v Speaker 2>To secure their return, Israel was forced into a deal

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<v Speaker 2>when ninety three Palestinian prisoners, including criminals and terrorists were released.

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<v Speaker 2>That's for the first three girls. As Alan Dershowitz says,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't a deal, It's an extor. He said the

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<v Speaker 2>decision by the Israeli government to make significant concessions to

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<v Speaker 2>the Harmas kidnappers should never be called a deal. It

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<v Speaker 2>was an extortion. The kidnapping was a crime, and the

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<v Speaker 2>extortionate demand was an additional crime. And Dershowitz also talks

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<v Speaker 2>about all of those who campaigned on the side of

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<v Speaker 2>those brutal her Musk terrorists over the past year, and

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<v Speaker 2>he says they're all complicit in this war crime. Especially

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<v Speaker 2>complicit with blood on their hands are supporters of Harmas

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<v Speaker 2>on university campusses who chart for interfada and revolution. Also

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<v Speaker 2>complicit are international organizations such as the International Criminal Court

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<v Speaker 2>that treat Israel and her Mus as equals. Let us

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<v Speaker 2>put the blame for all the deaths in Gaza where

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<v Speaker 2>it belongs on her mus and the useful idiots and

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<v Speaker 2>useful bigots who support murderous terrorists. With Trump's inauguration tonight

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<v Speaker 2>our time, we should see a very different attitude to

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<v Speaker 2>those who support terror in the West, and judging by

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<v Speaker 2>the scenes overnight where Hermas appears to steal control the

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<v Speaker 2>Gaza Strip. It's pretty clear that Donald Trump and Benjamin

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<v Speaker 2>Netanyahu will inevitably need to resume the war against the

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<v Speaker 2>terror group once this hostage release and temporary cease fire

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<v Speaker 2>is over. Both have said they're prepared to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump has already pledged to lift weapons restrictions on Israel

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<v Speaker 2>that Biden had imposed. Unlike Joe Biden, unlike Albineasi, Trump

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<v Speaker 2>will support nedin Yahoo and together they won't be weak

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<v Speaker 2>on terror. It's a resolve we've desperately needed right around

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<v Speaker 2>the world, as the anti Semites have been emboldened and

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<v Speaker 2>our hostages, innocent as they may be, have been an afterthought.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's return to this saga a Channel nine.

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<v Speaker 2>But right now I've got new information that's never been

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<v Speaker 2>reported before, and it is very serious and it is distressing.

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<v Speaker 2>High profile journalist Ellie Walsh has reached a confidential settlement

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<v Speaker 2>with nine after she made explosive allegations against the network

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<v Speaker 2>relating to sexual assault, sexual harassment, and her treatment at

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<v Speaker 2>work during her pregnancy. So I can reveal tonight that

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<v Speaker 2>Walsh was the original television reporter who lodged the very

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<v Speaker 2>first complaint against the now disgraced news boss Darren Wick,

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<v Speaker 2>and this led to his departure from the network. At

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<v Speaker 2>the time she made the complaint through lawyers, Wick was

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<v Speaker 2>a powerful television executive. He was considered untouchable in the newsroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Walsh's complaint then led to a string event of events

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<v Speaker 2>at nine, including a culture review where hundreds of women

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<v Speaker 2>were interviewed about their own experiences, and this revealed a

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<v Speaker 2>toxic culture. There were other allegations of sexual harassment and

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<v Speaker 2>also bullying complaints. Now you'll recall that Nine denied repeatedly

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<v Speaker 2>initially that Wick's departure from the network was related to

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<v Speaker 2>any allegation of inappropriate behavior. They attempted to cover up

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<v Speaker 2>this scandal and they would have been successful, but news

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<v Speaker 2>of an anonymous complaint, and we didn't know that it

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<v Speaker 2>was Ali Walsh who made it. It was an anonymous

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<v Speaker 2>complaint was eventually published by the Australian newspaper on that

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<v Speaker 2>same day. On this show, we revealed a history of

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<v Speaker 2>sexual harassment allegations against Wick and a toxic culture that

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<v Speaker 2>had been swept under the carpet by the network. Walsh's

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<v Speaker 2>initial complaint sparked a domino effect, with other female journalists

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<v Speaker 2>at nine then deciding to speak up about their own

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<v Speaker 2>experiences relating to harassment, bullying, and other issues, and this

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<v Speaker 2>entire affair ultimately contributed to the departure of the CEO,

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<v Speaker 2>Mike sneeeseby the chairman Peter Costello, another senior news executive

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<v Speaker 2>Simon Hobbs, and the head of Communications, Victoria Bucken. Ellie

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<v Speaker 2>Walsh also launched a sex discrimination case against Nine in

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<v Speaker 2>the federal court, a case that has now been settled

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<v Speaker 2>during mediation. Walsh's a talented television reporter, and she said

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<v Speaker 2>she made the difficult decision to engage lawyers and in

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<v Speaker 2>her own words, to try to write a number of wrongs.

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<v Speaker 2>Now for the first time I can reveal that these

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<v Speaker 2>wrongs did include an allegation of sexual assault, also sexual harassment,

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<v Speaker 2>along with allegations of how she was treated by management

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<v Speaker 2>during her pregnancy, which was considered high risk. Wick, as

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<v Speaker 2>you know, denied claims of wrongdoing. Now in a statement today,

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<v Speaker 2>Walsh spoke about her decision to take legal action, and

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<v Speaker 2>she said during this time more women bravely came forward.

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<v Speaker 2>Nine conducted a culture review and many of my broadcast

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<v Speaker 2>colleagues contributed their experiences in doing so. I was buoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns out courage is contagious. She said, Well, this

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<v Speaker 2>isn't the way I wanted to leave nine. I'm filled

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<v Speaker 2>with gratitude towards those who made me a better journalist

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<v Speaker 2>in person, and I'm relieved the legal process has been resolved.

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<v Speaker 2>And before all of this, Walsh had been at nine

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<v Speaker 2>for fifteen years, covering news, reporting politics in Canberra and

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<v Speaker 2>working for the Today Show. She's a popular journalist and

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<v Speaker 2>she has been rightly supported by many colleagues at nine,

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<v Speaker 2>including publicly by two GB host Ben Fordham. Now, the

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<v Speaker 2>United States is on the eve of ushering in a

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<v Speaker 2>new wave of politics, the inauguration of Donald Trump just

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<v Speaker 2>hours away. It's going to take place at three in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning our time. You can watch all the coverage

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<v Speaker 2>on Sky News Live. It'll be your second night staying

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<v Speaker 2>up till three am, because I know many of you

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<v Speaker 2>were up at the same hour watching the hostages released

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<v Speaker 2>last night. Now for more details of what it's like

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<v Speaker 2>on the ground, I spoke to my colleague Chris Kenny

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<v Speaker 2>a little earlier. Chris Kenny, thanks for joining us in Washington.

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<v Speaker 2>You're there, of course for Trump's inauguration. There'll be billions

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<v Speaker 2>of people tuned in around the world. What can we

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<v Speaker 2>expect tonight at the inauguration?

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<v Speaker 5>Great to talk to your sherry.

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<v Speaker 6>It's bitterly cold here in DC about minus four at

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<v Speaker 6>the moment.

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<v Speaker 5>It's going to be minus ten.

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<v Speaker 6>Tomorrow on inauguration day, which is why everything's been moved inside.

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<v Speaker 6>When you say what to expect with Donald Trump, will

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<v Speaker 6>expect the unexpected. I suppose he really is promising to

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<v Speaker 6>hit the ground running. Says that once he's been sworn in,

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<v Speaker 6>though once the inauguration's over, he's going to sign one

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<v Speaker 6>hundred executive orders in the first day.

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<v Speaker 5>A lot of his supporters believe this.

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<v Speaker 6>They really believe he understands he's got a window of

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<v Speaker 6>opportunity here. He has to act quickly, so, especially in

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<v Speaker 6>the first two years before the midterms could knock out

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<v Speaker 6>his congressional majority and the like. So we expect Trump

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<v Speaker 6>to go full speed ahead with his agenda, which I

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<v Speaker 6>suppose the world is already seeing now even before his inauguration,

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<v Speaker 6>but after about midday to Murrow a lookout.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris, quite a few high profile Australians are over there

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<v Speaker 2>for this special event. Can you tell us a bit

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<v Speaker 2>about who'll be there.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I haven't seen all of them. I believe Gina

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<v Speaker 5>Ryan Harts in town.

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<v Speaker 6>I know Joel Fitzgibbon, the former Labor Defense Minister, will

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<v Speaker 6>be in town. There's a lot of people flooding in

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<v Speaker 6>from all around the United States. Of course, there's going

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<v Speaker 6>to be fascinating to see who Donald Trump has in

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<v Speaker 6>the rotunda in the Capitol building behind me. Of course,

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<v Speaker 6>the whole thing moved in side, so they can only

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<v Speaker 6>have about six hundred guests in that rotunda under the

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<v Speaker 6>dome of the Capitol. So those six hundred, when you

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<v Speaker 6>take make allowances for the officials and the former presidents

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<v Speaker 6>and the like, there's probably going to be five hundred

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<v Speaker 6>of Donald Trump's favorite people.

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<v Speaker 5>So look out for who gets that gig.

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<v Speaker 6>And then after that, of course, there's an indoor rallyer

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<v Speaker 6>dressed up as the inauguration parade.

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<v Speaker 5>There'll be balls.

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<v Speaker 6>There's at least three balls the President's going to tomorrow

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<v Speaker 6>night one.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a Union station just over the way here. So

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<v Speaker 5>there's a lot of people in town ready for these events.

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<v Speaker 6>But there's so many punters, so many mainstream Americans. Trump

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<v Speaker 6>supporters from Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, from the Midwest.

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<v Speaker 5>They've all come into town.

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<v Speaker 6>They're disappointed they're not going to get the parade down

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<v Speaker 6>Pennsylvania Avenue, but they'll be here anyway. I think they'll

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<v Speaker 6>hit the streets and try and see the modicade all

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<v Speaker 6>the same, and many of them planning to be in

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<v Speaker 6>bars and pubs and watch it all on TV.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris, you interviewed Steve Bannon today. He's raised some concerns

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<v Speaker 2>about Elon Musk and just how close he might be

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<v Speaker 2>to Donald Trump. How do you see that playing out,

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<v Speaker 2>and what are Bannon's thoughts on Trump's second term.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, Steve Bannon was fascinating to catch up with today.

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<v Speaker 6>He was with a bunch of other right wing supporters,

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<v Speaker 6>if you like, they see this is the coming of

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<v Speaker 6>a new dawn.

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<v Speaker 5>Really. And Steve Bannon, of course, who was the.

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<v Speaker 6>Chief strategist that helped get Donald Trump into the White

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<v Speaker 6>House the first time, and then was one of the

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<v Speaker 6>many leading figures who left the White House. He ended

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<v Speaker 6>up serving jail terms after because of some of his

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<v Speaker 6>breach of some of the protocols around congressional hearings into

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<v Speaker 6>January the sixth and all.

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<v Speaker 5>The rest of it. I thought he'd be a little

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<v Speaker 5>bit more critical of Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>He's very full on, very bullish, not just about Trump

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<v Speaker 6>and his agenda, but also about his team, about Marco

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<v Speaker 6>Rubio and the rest of them. Didn't take a swipe

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<v Speaker 6>at Elon Musk. So he thinks that Donald Trump is

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<v Speaker 6>going to do everything in this term that he wished

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<v Speaker 6>she had done in the first term. So here's a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit of what Steve and had to say and.

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<v Speaker 4>What he's got to Some of his toughest warriors, the

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<v Speaker 4>most combat hardened.

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<v Speaker 5>Are on the outside. But we're all ready to go.

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<v Speaker 5>We're ready to go, particularly for tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 7>I would tell your audience you're about to see in

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<v Speaker 7>twenty twenty five a year in American politics and international politics,

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<v Speaker 7>liberal politics that has never been seen in modern times.

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<v Speaker 2>So just stand by strap In, Chris. You followed this

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<v Speaker 2>issue as closely as I do. We saw last night

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<v Speaker 2>some of the hostages finally released. Trump has signaled a

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<v Speaker 2>firm commitment to help NAT and Yahoo in Israel. He'll

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<v Speaker 2>be much stronger than Biden, won't he.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, there's no doubt about that, Sharry, we would not

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<v Speaker 6>see these hostages out overnight today and hopefully more tomorrow

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<v Speaker 6>without Trump winning the last election. His threats against Hamas

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<v Speaker 6>and his pressure on Israel have obviously led to this

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<v Speaker 6>ceasefire and the hostage deal.

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<v Speaker 5>But like me, Sharry, I'm certain.

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<v Speaker 6>You've felt mixed feelings today, the joy and relief for

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<v Speaker 6>those hostages, but the anger and outrage freeing Hummus terrorists,

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<v Speaker 6>thirty of them for each one of these innocent Israeli

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<v Speaker 6>women taken hostage, the other hostages that are dead, the

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<v Speaker 6>other hostages that are held, the thousands of Israeli lives

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<v Speaker 6>lost and tens of thousands of Palestinian lives lost, all

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<v Speaker 6>because of the horrors of Hummus, an organization that everybody

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<v Speaker 6>agrees should be destroyed, yet they're the ones everybody's having to.

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<v Speaker 5>Deal with to get these hostages free.

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<v Speaker 6>The one thing Donald Trump keeps saying he certainly claimed

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<v Speaker 6>credit for the ceasefire in his rally in DC just

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<v Speaker 6>down the road here earlier today, but.

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<v Speaker 5>He's also stressed if Hummus does.

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<v Speaker 6>Not stick to the terms of the ceasefire, then there

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<v Speaker 6>will be all held to pay.

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<v Speaker 5>That term he's used in the past.

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<v Speaker 6>So he's going to make sure that they follow through

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<v Speaker 6>on this, and let's hope so, because every step of

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<v Speaker 6>this process is fraught with danger. You were dealing with

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<v Speaker 6>a terrorist organization, not any sort of reasonable organization that's

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<v Speaker 6>been running Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Chris, thank you so much for your time, and we

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<v Speaker 2>look forward to your week of coverage in the US.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Sherry, you too, and don't forget. You can set

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<v Speaker 2>your alarm at three am and turn on Sky News

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<v Speaker 2>to watch the full inauguration coverage. All right, let's return

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<v Speaker 2>to the emotional scenes of the hostages coming home finally

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<v Speaker 2>after four hundred and seventy one days to Israel. And

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<v Speaker 2>joining me now is former British commander Colonel Richard Camp.

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<v Speaker 2>He led troops in Afghanistan and Iraq. Richard, thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much once again for your time. Firstly, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to ask I want to ask you what your opinion

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<v Speaker 2>was of those horrific scenes where we saw literally Hermas

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<v Speaker 2>terrorists overrunning Red Cross vehicles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I think not just to mass terrorists, but we've also

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<v Speaker 7>seen civilians, men and boys spitting on the hostages as

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<v Speaker 7>they were being.

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<v Speaker 1>Prepared for handover.

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<v Speaker 7>So content and abuse of these hostages to the very end.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it seems like the terror group is still thriving

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza. You know, they've come out from beneath the

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<v Speaker 2>hospitals and the schools where they've been in hiding. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>do you think after this hostage deal and temporary ceasefire,

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<v Speaker 2>and we do have to make the point it is

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<v Speaker 2>a temporary ceasefire, do you think that given they're still

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<v Speaker 2>running the show in Gaza, Israel and the United States

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<v Speaker 2>will need to return to defeating Hermas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I've got no doubt about that.

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<v Speaker 7>I think we you know, we've seen obviously the very

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<v Speaker 7>we're very grateful, I think to see the release of

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<v Speaker 7>the first few hostages already. Hopefully more will follow during

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<v Speaker 7>this phase of the ceasefire. But in my view, her

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<v Speaker 7>Master's unlikely to hand over all of the hostages. They're

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<v Speaker 7>there major bargaining chip. They're going to want to keep

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<v Speaker 7>hold of them, I think on pretty much a permanent basis.

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<v Speaker 7>Some of them, the ones that are not have not

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<v Speaker 7>been agreed to be handed over. But her Mass has

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<v Speaker 7>been very badly destroyed, very badly damaged, but it still

0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:09.200
<v Speaker 7>has elements intact, They're not as effective as certainly as

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<v Speaker 7>they have been earlier on in the war, but their

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<v Speaker 7>numbers are going to be boosted. The ones that have

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<v Speaker 7>been killed are going to be boosted by the release

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<v Speaker 7>of more than a thousand hardened terrorists who are held

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<v Speaker 7>prisoner by the Israelis and who some of whom at

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<v Speaker 7>least will be returning to Gaza. So the situation that

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<v Speaker 7>we've got at present in Gaza is one whereby it

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<v Speaker 7>simply cannot be allowed to continue. And you're right, I

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<v Speaker 7>think to emphasize a temporary ceasefire. Ha mass will undoubtedly

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<v Speaker 7>be breaching that ceasefire at some point in Israel will

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<v Speaker 7>have to return and really finish off the job. I

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<v Speaker 7>think you know that. I can understand what painful though

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<v Speaker 7>it was to have to be to basically be forced

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<v Speaker 7>to release over one thousand hostages back although that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Well criminals and terrorists, do you mean?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, And you're absolutely right to pick me up on

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<v Speaker 7>that point, because some in the UK media at least

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<v Speaker 7>have been talking about a hostage swap.

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<v Speaker 1>These are not hostages.

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<v Speaker 7>These are hardened terrorists who have been lawfully held prisoner

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<v Speaker 7>by the Israelis being exchanged for for hostages who have

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<v Speaker 7>been seized, abused, in some cases, rape, tortured, and murdered

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<v Speaker 7>by her mass So there is no equivalence there, and

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<v Speaker 7>thank you for picking me up on it. But I

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<v Speaker 7>don't think there's any you know, there's no question really

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<v Speaker 7>that this evil has got to be defeated, and it

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<v Speaker 7>hasn't yet been defeated, and it will, I hope be

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<v Speaker 7>defeated once this hostage, once the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ceasefire ends, and with Trump's support, because it is going

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<v Speaker 2>to make it a big difference. Don't you think that

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<v Speaker 2>there is now a president, there will be a president

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<v Speaker 2>who unequivocally supports Israel and its efforts to prevail over terrorism.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, do you think we can expect a very

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<v Speaker 2>different attitude from.

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<v Speaker 1>The US, And absolutely can. I hope we can.

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<v Speaker 7>And you know, we've already had assurances from President Trump

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<v Speaker 7>himself and also from his National Security Advisor designate that

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<v Speaker 7>if Israel feels the need to go back into Gaza

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<v Speaker 7>and finish off this problem, then it will have one

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<v Speaker 7>hundred percent support of.

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<v Speaker 1>The United States of America.

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<v Speaker 7>And it certainly hasn't had one hundred percent support from

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<v Speaker 7>the Biden administration.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got a lot of.

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<v Speaker 7>Support, but it's always been restrained and held back by Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope Trump isn't going to do that, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think part of this whole deal.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, many people have found this deal unsatisfactory and

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<v Speaker 7>I can understand why. But I do believe it forms

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<v Speaker 7>part of a much wider strategy for the Middle East

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<v Speaker 7>that's been agreed between Trump and also Prime Minister and Yahoo,

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<v Speaker 7>which will involve I hope, and it needs to involve

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<v Speaker 7>dealing with Iran, which is basically the head.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly and the nuclear threat that around continues to pose.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Richard cambois a pleasure to have you on

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<v Speaker 2>the program. Thank you so much for your insights. Now

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring in The Australian's chief political correspondent, Jeff Chambers. Jeff,

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<v Speaker 2>great to see you. Look, we're all wondering when the

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<v Speaker 2>federal election is going to be held. Are we expecting

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<v Speaker 2>MPs to return to Canberra in February or is Albanize

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<v Speaker 2>going to call it before then? What are your thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>on the Prime Minister's options at this point.

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<v Speaker 8>Hi, Scharry, I think we're almost near one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 8>now that Anthony Alberanezi will return in that first week

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<v Speaker 8>of February. It's slated for a fortnight of sittings. The

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<v Speaker 8>big question mark is the calculation of the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 8>has to make now as to whether he will follow

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<v Speaker 8>through with what he said publicly, which is to run

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<v Speaker 8>full term to May, or whether he needs to go early,

0:27:04.520 --> 0:27:09.199
<v Speaker 8>looking towards March or April. My understanding is that they

0:27:09.200 --> 0:27:10.439
<v Speaker 8>were never going to go to the back end of

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<v Speaker 8>last year.

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<v Speaker 5>There was too many things going wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>That they were looking.

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<v Speaker 8>They were looking seriously at February, March, April and May options,

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<v Speaker 8>and we've got some RBA meetings coming up next month

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<v Speaker 8>in the next few weeks, and some key economic data.

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<v Speaker 8>My sense and I think he's being urged this by

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 8>some of his really spooked MPs, some of those many

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<v Speaker 8>of those who are on track to lose their seat,

0:27:36.880 --> 0:27:39.960
<v Speaker 8>that there is no point in waiting, that they need

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:42.040
<v Speaker 8>to go when they can win, even if that means

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<v Speaker 8>a slim minority.

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<v Speaker 2>Government, and so they'll be closely monitoring polling, perhaps even

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<v Speaker 2>overnight polling if it gets to that. Jeff, You've written

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<v Speaker 2>an article in The Australia and which looks at the

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<v Speaker 2>limited experience really of Albaneze's cabinet and just how many

0:27:59.440 --> 0:28:04.040
<v Speaker 2>actually have business experience under their belts. Do you think

0:28:04.080 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 2>this lack of experience is contributing to the problems that

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.360
<v Speaker 2>his government is having in connecting with voters because they

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<v Speaker 2>just see his team as totally out of touch.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, interestingly, I've had a lot of feedback on this piece.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a fairly obvious piece, but it's one to work.

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<v Speaker 8>It's always worth pointing out to look at what the

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<v Speaker 8>real real world experiences are labors cabinet versus the coalist

0:28:30.600 --> 0:28:33.399
<v Speaker 8>and shadow cabinet. And some of these senior labor figures

0:28:33.440 --> 0:28:36.080
<v Speaker 8>have told me over the weekend that they've never seen

0:28:36.119 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 8>such a concentration of union ex union officials or political

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 8>staffers in a labor government cabinet in history. And this

0:28:45.480 --> 0:28:48.400
<v Speaker 8>is a concerning trend for labor. There was a time

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<v Speaker 8>when you had teachers, truck drivers, miners, obviously some union affiliation,

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<v Speaker 8>but real world experience. And it's not to say that

0:28:56.720 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 8>they work any less than their counterparts on the other side,

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<v Speaker 8>but you know, when you've got ex police officers, ex soldiers, farmers,

0:29:06.520 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 8>people that have actually run a business, you're going to

0:29:09.320 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 8>come at things differently. You're going to have a different

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 8>approach and perspective around policy issues and connecting with people.

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 8>So I think that there is some consternation in labor

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 8>ranks about how do they modernize and stay relevant in

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:25.479
<v Speaker 8>the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Peter Dutton was in Sydney today. He went to

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<v Speaker 2>Central Synagogue and he announced new laws to deal with

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<v Speaker 2>anti Semitism. He wants a minimum six year sentence for

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<v Speaker 2>terror offenses, also a minimum twelve month sentence for displaying

0:29:39.280 --> 0:29:41.080
<v Speaker 2>hate symbols. Here's what he had to say.

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<v Speaker 9>I give this absolute commitment to the Istralian people if

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<v Speaker 9>elected as Prime Minister, we will provide the resources, we

0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 9>will provide the legislation and we will provide the will

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<v Speaker 9>to stamp out anti Semitism in our country and to

0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.960
<v Speaker 9>send a very clear message that that is not going

0:29:59.960 --> 0:30:03.239
<v Speaker 9>to to be tolerated in any form whatsoever, and that

0:30:03.280 --> 0:30:05.400
<v Speaker 9>will happen from day one.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, the Prime Minister was asked to respond to all

0:30:08.040 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>of this today and he is still rejecting an anti

0:30:12.160 --> 0:30:14.040
<v Speaker 2>semitism national Cabinet.

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<v Speaker 10>National cab.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:30:19.880 --> 0:30:24.800
<v Speaker 11>I convening a meeting with New South Wales and Victoria

0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 11>that took place last week in order to take that

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 11>strong action, and what people want to say isn't more meetings.

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<v Speaker 5>So I want to see more action, Jeff.

0:30:35.200 --> 0:30:38.520
<v Speaker 2>It's not just the Jewish community, but all Australians would

0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:42.960
<v Speaker 2>be welcoming stronger action against terrorism. Why won't Albanesi just

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:45.040
<v Speaker 2>you know, take a tough position.

0:30:47.560 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 8>Anthony Aberanezi and some of his senior cabinet members have

0:30:50.560 --> 0:30:53.720
<v Speaker 8>been playing catch up for fifteen months now, and I

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 8>think when you look at Peter Dutton, he's been unequivocal

0:30:57.440 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 8>and he's been consistent from day one, and I think

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:05.880
<v Speaker 8>that is resonating. And obviously he's putting forward clear, concrete

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 8>actions to tackle and fight this scourge of anti Semitism.

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:13.600
<v Speaker 8>But I think more broadly, the majority of Australians are

0:31:13.600 --> 0:31:18.600
<v Speaker 8>seeing these awful images on TV, on social media and

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:22.960
<v Speaker 8>they are feeling that Australia is becoming that there is

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:27.000
<v Speaker 8>lawlessness in this country and that there is greater division.

0:31:27.520 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 8>And when it comes to focus groups and polling, you know,

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:33.440
<v Speaker 8>this is usually a state issue, but what we're seeing

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:37.960
<v Speaker 8>is that crime and public safety are really coming to

0:31:38.080 --> 0:31:40.840
<v Speaker 8>the fore. And I think this is what Peter Dunton.

0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 8>He's not looking at this from a political perspective. He's

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:46.800
<v Speaker 8>looking at trying to actually fix the problem. And I

0:31:46.840 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 8>think this is where we see Anthony Abnez exactly. We

0:31:50.520 --> 0:31:53.680
<v Speaker 8>see Anthony abne Tony Burke and others. They seem to

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 8>take their cues in response to incidents. So you know,

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 8>whether it's a premier who is putting forward something, they

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 8>will react to that, whether it's them trying to set

0:32:04.000 --> 0:32:08.480
<v Speaker 8>up a police task force months after it probably was required,

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.000
<v Speaker 8>and we still want to know and still need to

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 8>see some tangible outcomes from this police task force. And

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:19.240
<v Speaker 8>they seem to shift that responsibility elsewhere and expect others

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:20.680
<v Speaker 8>to look after the problem for them.

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:22.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And you can just see when they speak

0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:25.480
<v Speaker 2>that they don't care about it, whereas Dutton deeply does.

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 2>He speaks with conviction on the issue. Right, Jeff Chambers,

0:32:28.720 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Great to have you back in twenty twenty five. We'll

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 2>see you next week. Now. Hamasa's sick and twisted move

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:37.920
<v Speaker 2>when handing over hostages to the Red Cross, Well, I'm

0:32:37.920 --> 0:32:40.480
<v Speaker 2>going to have an exclusive interview with the Deputy Foreign

0:32:40.480 --> 0:32:44.120
<v Speaker 2>Minister of Israel, Sharan Haskell, and boy is she disappointed

0:32:44.160 --> 0:32:48.440
<v Speaker 2>in Mark Dreyfus. Plus with Donald Trump's inauguration just hours away.

0:32:48.760 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 2>Coochhagada would join me live to detail Watson his agenda

0:32:52.720 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 2>on day one. That's after this quick break.

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<v Speaker 5>Back.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, last night in Washington, there was a private cocktail

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 2>event at Peter Teel's DC Residents for Vice President elect JD.

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>Vance and Australian businessman Anthony Pratt was among that a

0:33:12.280 --> 0:33:16.680
<v Speaker 2>list attendees, along with Donald Trump junior Mark Zuckerberg and

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:20.600
<v Speaker 2>House speaker Mike Johnson. And my spies tell me that

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:25.520
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Pratt also hopped into Vance's secret service motorcade to

0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 2>attend his black tied dinner that night, and he's also

0:33:28.760 --> 0:33:31.719
<v Speaker 2>now scored an invite to Trump's own dinner on the

0:33:31.760 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 2>eve of his inauguration. Or to discuss who's in and

0:33:35.440 --> 0:33:37.720
<v Speaker 2>who's out of Trump's inner circle. Joining me now in

0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 2>studio is Sky Newes contributor Kosha Data. Kosha, great to

0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:44.560
<v Speaker 2>see you here. Look, tell us about who else has

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:48.000
<v Speaker 2>made it from Australia to Trump's team. You know some

0:33:48.040 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 2>of it.

0:33:48.680 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 12>I'm sure there are going to be people. It's top

0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 12>secret and we won't know until after the fact, but

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.520
<v Speaker 12>Pratt has been mentioned, Gina Ryan Hart, as you said

0:33:55.520 --> 0:33:57.480
<v Speaker 12>as well, they both took out full page ads in

0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 12>the New York Times and neurok Post congratulating Trump. Maybe

0:34:00.320 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 12>that had something to do with it. And also James

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:05.680
<v Speaker 12>Packer was seen at mar Lago dining with Trump and Musk,

0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:07.640
<v Speaker 12>so maybe he's I wouldn't be surprised if he scored

0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:08.439
<v Speaker 12>an invite as well.

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Trump has already announced a packed agenda for his first day.

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:14.000
<v Speaker 2>What can we expect.

0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:18.200
<v Speaker 12>I think the tonality of the messages, who's going to

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 12>be there, who's not going to be there, their expressions,

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:22.680
<v Speaker 12>their body language, all of that is going to make

0:34:22.680 --> 0:34:24.839
<v Speaker 12>a lot of news. And then right after that, he's

0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:27.680
<v Speaker 12>reportedly got one hundred to even two hundred executive orders

0:34:27.719 --> 0:34:31.040
<v Speaker 12>queued up for day one. Typically president's release about fifty

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 12>to sixty per year, so he is hitting the ground running.

0:34:34.640 --> 0:34:39.760
<v Speaker 12>We're hearing talk of declassification Martin Luther King files JFK files.

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 12>We'll see if that happens. The J six pardons is

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 12>another big thing that there's high expectations. It's a little

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 12>bit controversial and people are expecting that as well. And

0:34:47.680 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 12>I just think a slew of deregulations as well, right

0:34:49.920 --> 0:34:50.439
<v Speaker 12>out of the gate.

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.240
<v Speaker 2>I also read a fascinating one that I think Barry

0:34:53.320 --> 0:34:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Waste broke the story about having an executive order relating

0:34:56.200 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>to gender, so he's only going to have according to

0:34:59.080 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 2>this report too, gender is a male and a female,

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 2>so that'll be highly controversial. Now, what can we expect

0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:08.520
<v Speaker 2>from the inauguration itself. It'll be three am our time,

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.360
<v Speaker 2>tonight Life coverage on Sky. I mean, Trump's the ultimate

0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.840
<v Speaker 2>show man, so you'd hope it'll be entertaining.

0:35:14.160 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 12>Yes, I think the rally, the victory rally already is

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:18.960
<v Speaker 12>so different. Nobody does that he won. He didn't need

0:35:19.000 --> 0:35:21.200
<v Speaker 12>to do a rally, but he did it. I think

0:35:21.200 --> 0:35:23.400
<v Speaker 12>you're going to see a lot of the tone of

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 12>his speech and what he's going to say, what kind

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 12>of premise it's going to take. I think it's gonna

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 12>be a lot of victoriousness, a lot of redemption. Retribution

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.839
<v Speaker 12>has been this word that he's been using again controversially,

0:35:34.880 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 12>but he says his success in America's success is his retribution.

0:35:37.880 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 12>I think you're going to expect a lot of that.

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:42.080
<v Speaker 12>But I do think that it'll probably just still be

0:35:42.200 --> 0:35:46.280
<v Speaker 12>very statesmanlike and presidential, the official business and speech, because

0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.000
<v Speaker 12>he's been there before, he is the president and he

0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 12>can project that, and then it's going to be a

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.680
<v Speaker 12>way to those executive orders and the craziest news cycle

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:56.360
<v Speaker 12>I think for the next twenty four hours thereafter.

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:56.839
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:35:56.880 --> 0:36:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, now very quickly before you go. I was surprised

0:36:00.800 --> 0:36:04.520
<v Speaker 2>to hear him speak so strongly about TikTok and to

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 2>commit to having it in America if only for making money.

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:11.319
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I thought this was you know, even Republicans

0:36:11.400 --> 0:36:14.320
<v Speaker 2>were concerned about the security risk of TikTok.

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 12>Some still are, like Senator Tom Cotton just came out

0:36:17.360 --> 0:36:20.239
<v Speaker 12>against Trump, even though he is an ardent supporter. This

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:22.760
<v Speaker 12>is about a trade off of two issues, national security

0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 12>concerns with China and the CCP's involvement of the algorithms

0:36:26.239 --> 0:36:28.560
<v Speaker 12>and data versus free speech and the fact that one

0:36:28.640 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 12>hundred and seventy million Americans use it, millions of small

0:36:31.120 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 12>business owners use it. It is an alternate platform to

0:36:34.040 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 12>the other ones like Facebook and all that did censor

0:36:36.640 --> 0:36:38.879
<v Speaker 12>speech and suppress the laptop story and all of that.

0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 12>So I think it's about balancing free speech protections with

0:36:41.560 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 12>national security, and he's trying to see if there's a

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 12>way to do both in how the divestiture would be executed.

0:36:46.920 --> 0:36:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:36:47.280 --> 0:36:52.359
<v Speaker 2>No, it's fascinating and never consistent principles on these sort

0:36:52.400 --> 0:36:55.279
<v Speaker 2>of issues, but it's an interesting one to watch. Kosha Data,

0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:56.319
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for your time.

0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:56.760
<v Speaker 12>Pleasure.

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Now still to come, Israel's deputy ourign Minister has called

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Mark Dreyfussaud for his government's anti Israel campaign. My exclusive

0:37:06.080 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 2>interview with Sharen Haskell coming up. But first, how Dutton

0:37:09.920 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 2>is tracking against Albinizi in the polls. I'll break this

0:37:13.120 --> 0:37:17.320
<v Speaker 2>down with my political panel Cameron Milner and Andrew Carswell. Next,

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 2>welcome back. Let's bring in our Monday political panel Scott

0:37:24.680 --> 0:37:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Morrison's former press secretary Andrew Carswell and Bill Shotton's former

0:37:28.480 --> 0:37:32.359
<v Speaker 2>chief of staff Cameron Milner. Welcome to you both once again. Look,

0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Peter Dutton has caught up to Albanisi in Freshwater Strategy's

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>latest preferred Prime minister survey. This is for the first time, Cameron,

0:37:40.719 --> 0:37:43.520
<v Speaker 2>break these figures down for us. Is this alban Ezi

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 2>turning off voters or is Peter Dutton actually winning Ossie's over.

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:52.720
<v Speaker 4>Well, it's a bit of both, isn't it, Shari, Because

0:37:52.800 --> 0:37:54.760
<v Speaker 4>Albo's numbers have been on the slide for a while.

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 4>These freshwater numbers are the first time Dutton's been in front,

0:37:57.600 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 4>but Albo has been in a terrible state for some

0:37:59.760 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 4>time and Dutton's been coming. Dutton's finished the year really,

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.760
<v Speaker 4>really well and Alba finished it terribly, so these numbers

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:08.799
<v Speaker 4>aren't a surprise. What's more interesting is that Albo has

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:12.000
<v Speaker 4>been out there splashing over ten billion dollars of taxpayer's

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:14.600
<v Speaker 4>money in the last two weeks in this faux campaign.

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 4>Yet these are the numbers with our seeing in January.

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 4>These are not good numbers for labor and terrible numbers

0:38:19.640 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 4>for Albow, considering that Dutton has got him now in

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:23.760
<v Speaker 4>terms of preferred prime minister.

0:38:24.840 --> 0:38:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Andrew Caswell, you worked for Scott Morrison ahead of the

0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 2>last election and before some research is showing that Alberniz

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.200
<v Speaker 2>is now as unpopular as Scott Morrison was before the

0:38:37.239 --> 0:38:41.160
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty two election. Do you think this means Albo's

0:38:41.200 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 2>headed for the history books as a one term government.

0:38:45.800 --> 0:38:48.160
<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's getting very interesting, Shari. And it's

0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:51.680
<v Speaker 3>important to note too that this metric on preferred prime minister,

0:38:52.360 --> 0:38:56.280
<v Speaker 3>it traditionally skews towards the incumbent. It favors the current

0:38:56.320 --> 0:38:59.920
<v Speaker 3>sitting Prime minister because Australians get to see that person

0:39:00.080 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 3>doing the role of day to day Clearly they are

0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.960
<v Speaker 3>not seeing that, they are not liking what they are seeing,

0:39:06.760 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 3>and they are actively imagining what Peter Duarton would would

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:15.359
<v Speaker 3>would be like as a prime minister. They actively now

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:19.160
<v Speaker 3>considering that in light of his his you know, the

0:39:19.200 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 3>strengths that he has shown on certain issues, but also

0:39:21.760 --> 0:39:23.760
<v Speaker 3>in light of the weakness that the current Prime Minister

0:39:23.840 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 3>has shown on a range of different issues as well. Now,

0:39:27.640 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 3>no matter what Labor, Labor and Anthony Abanezi throw at

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:34.120
<v Speaker 3>Peter Dutton, it doesn't seem to be sticky, and I

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:39.120
<v Speaker 3>would argue that it's actually becoming counterproductive. Now I find

0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:42.600
<v Speaker 3>it really really interesting that in the midst of a

0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 3>global economic downturn, in the midst of rising anti semitism

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:54.440
<v Speaker 3>and the the you know, the the erosion of social cohesion,

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:59.840
<v Speaker 3>in the midst of a rise in global uncertainty, that

0:40:00.040 --> 0:40:03.759
<v Speaker 3>you would denigrate a leader for being strong exactly. Isn't

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:06.000
<v Speaker 3>that what we need at this very time? And yet

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.480
<v Speaker 3>they are highlighting the strengths of Peter Dutton's character. Yes,

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 3>they're putting a negative spin on it, but they are

0:40:11.680 --> 0:40:14.480
<v Speaker 3>highlighting his strengths and Australians are starting to see that

0:40:14.960 --> 0:40:17.960
<v Speaker 3>maybe we do need a strong leader at this very

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 3>point in time.

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 5>And you throw forward to Donald Trump.

0:40:20.600 --> 0:40:23.240
<v Speaker 3>Who do we trust to stand up to Donald Trump

0:40:23.239 --> 0:40:27.120
<v Speaker 3>when he launches twenty percent tariffs on Australian exports? Is

0:40:27.480 --> 0:40:30.800
<v Speaker 3>it the guy that's routinely denigrated for his week leadership

0:40:30.920 --> 0:40:33.280
<v Speaker 3>or is it the guy that's denigrated for being too strong?

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I think the times are suiting Peter Dutton and

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 2>that Australians are looking for strength and toughness and not weakness.

0:40:40.360 --> 0:40:43.480
<v Speaker 2>And I hear that the word weak is what's resonating

0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:47.680
<v Speaker 2>with voters when it comes to Albanezi and the focus groups. Now,

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the Prime Minister announced today two billion dollars to go

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:55.799
<v Speaker 2>towards converting Australia's for aluminium smelters to renewable electricity. This

0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:59.320
<v Speaker 2>is in an effort to speed up Labour's transition to

0:40:59.360 --> 0:41:02.720
<v Speaker 2>green energy. Cameron, is this a good use of tax

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:04.880
<v Speaker 2>payer money and it will it buy votes?

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 12>Well?

0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:09.560
<v Speaker 4>I think it is a good use because aliminium is

0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 4>essentially solidified electricity, is how it's been described to me.

0:41:12.440 --> 0:41:14.880
<v Speaker 4>When I used to work for Rio, and Rio actually

0:41:14.880 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 4>bought Alcan's assets in Canada probably fifteen years ago because

0:41:18.480 --> 0:41:21.120
<v Speaker 4>it was based on hydro power. So look, no, in

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 4>the end, aliuminium to survive, to be competitive in the world,

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:27.399
<v Speaker 4>needs to come from green energy. That's the basic fact

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:29.560
<v Speaker 4>of it. So the transitions there and as you saw

0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:31.839
<v Speaker 4>in that article, Tommigo is already going for as much

0:41:31.880 --> 0:41:35.160
<v Speaker 4>green energy as possible, making the market decision anyway to

0:41:35.280 --> 0:41:37.880
<v Speaker 4>use renewables. So now I think backing our aliminium industry,

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<v Speaker 4>backing Australian industry is a great thing to do, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's a great export industry too, our aliminium smelters cars.

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<v Speaker 5>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was interesting that Resources Minister Madeline King

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<v Speaker 2>told The Australian today that you quickly lose a port

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<v Speaker 2>for an energy transition if people can't maintain their lifestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think about this? Do you think this

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<v Speaker 2>is the Resource Minister becoming concerned that they're not taking

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<v Speaker 2>voters with them on this path to renewable energy.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was a wonderful piece of timing first

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<v Speaker 3>and foremost.

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<v Speaker 5>But look, I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Happy that Minister King has built a cat on this one,

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<v Speaker 3>And to be fair to Minister King, she's been very

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<v Speaker 3>upfront about Australia's dwindling supply of gas and the need

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<v Speaker 3>to have gas as an important part of this energy

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<v Speaker 3>transition in the short, medium and the long term. So

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<v Speaker 3>she's always been a strong advocate for more gas in

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<v Speaker 3>the system and this issue has been highlighted by the

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<v Speaker 3>Australian Energy Market Operator, it's been highlighted by the Consumer

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<v Speaker 3>watched over as well about the impending issue that we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to have as we approach winter this year with

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<v Speaker 3>dwindling supplies of energy. But the sad thing about the

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<v Speaker 3>Labor Cabinet is that Minister King does not have sway

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<v Speaker 3>in that cabinet room. The debate on energy and the

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<v Speaker 3>energy position is left with the ideologues, it's left with

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Bone, it's left with the Prime Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>So you get this pushed towards.

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<v Speaker 3>These unattainable renewable energy targets that the rest of the

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<v Speaker 3>world is starting to walk away from.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, it's going to be an ongoing debate for show.

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<v Speaker 2>Cameron Milner Andrew Carswell, great to have you again, Thank

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<v Speaker 2>you so much. Now don't go anywhere after the break

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<v Speaker 2>my exclusive interview with Sharen Haskell, Israel's deputy Foreign Minister.

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<v Speaker 2>She's calling out the Albanezy government for abandoning Israel and

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<v Speaker 2>not taking action on anti Semitism. Okay, let's cross live

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<v Speaker 2>to Israel and I'm joined for an exclusive interview by

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<v Speaker 2>Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister Sharen Haskell. Sharen, great to see

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<v Speaker 2>you again. Look, you met with our Attorney General Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Dreyfus last week and I understand you expressed to him

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<v Speaker 2>very clearly the Netta Yahoo government's disappointment in Israel's hostile

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<v Speaker 2>sorry in Australia's home style policies towards Israel, along with

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<v Speaker 2>the rise in anti Semitism. Can you tell me what

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<v Speaker 2>message you sent to him.

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<v Speaker 13>Well, as you've said, we are extremely disappointed from the

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<v Speaker 13>attitude towards Israel, the change of policy towards Israel and

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<v Speaker 13>the international organization.

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<v Speaker 10>I think that it is very set and we do

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<v Speaker 10>see Australia as one of our greatest allies and historical allies,

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<v Speaker 10>and it was very disappointing that during this very difficult

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<v Speaker 10>year that we've experienced, we felt like the Australian government

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<v Speaker 10>turned their back on us.

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<v Speaker 2>We expect our.

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<v Speaker 10>Friends, longtime friends and allies that we used to be

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<v Speaker 10>able to count on for a very long time to

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<v Speaker 10>actually stand beside us during the most difficult period of

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<v Speaker 10>time that we've actually experience. But Charry, I think it's

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<v Speaker 10>also important to say that our deep concerns about the

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<v Speaker 10>rise of anti Semitism are you know, are are one

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<v Speaker 10>of the main issues that we've discussed here at the

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<v Speaker 10>Foreign Ministry as well. How to our country like Australia,

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<v Speaker 10>who has been a safe haven for Jews for so

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<v Speaker 10>many generations and has been one of the safest places

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<v Speaker 10>and how you know, the rise of anti Semitism and

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<v Speaker 10>I think more than seven hundred percent, how the Jewish

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<v Speaker 10>community is being targeted and attacked violently, physically, verbally, and

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<v Speaker 10>unfortunately not much has been done, especially the recent attacks,

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<v Speaker 10>graffiti's attempt to vandalize synagogues and Jewish homes, and in

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<v Speaker 10>the lack of arrests or accountability on how many people

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<v Speaker 10>were arrested and persecuted prosecuted for these cases.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, it has been shocking with the Jewish community has

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<v Speaker 2>been begging for tougher laws that Albanezer government has absolutely refused.

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<v Speaker 2>And there have been very specific requests made, so you're

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<v Speaker 2>right to be concerned. We are all concerned here as well,

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<v Speaker 2>so thank you for raising that with our government. Now, Charan,

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<v Speaker 2>we saw overnight terrible scenes of a Hamas in Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>swarming the Red Cross vehicles. Were you personally surprised by

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<v Speaker 2>just how many Hamas supporters there were in Gaza?

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<v Speaker 13>Well, I'm not surprised because the fact is that the

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<v Speaker 13>United Nations, in particular rap has been educated, educating generations

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<v Speaker 13>of gas and children to hatred violence.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 13>The fact is that they taught them in school how

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<v Speaker 13>to stabage you, how to murder, how to hate them,

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<v Speaker 13>and through that indoctrination of a population, it's very easy

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<v Speaker 13>for Hamas to recruit terrorists. And so I wasn't surprised.

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<v Speaker 13>And more so, it's important to note that one of

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<v Speaker 13>the main figures in the negotiation teams of Hamas, after

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<v Speaker 13>he signed, you know, the temporary cease fire, went in

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<v Speaker 13>the media and publicly said that they will try and

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<v Speaker 13>attempt to commit another seventh of October. Those words are

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<v Speaker 13>not a surprise to us, because we know who our

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<v Speaker 13>enemy is, we know who our neighbors are.

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<v Speaker 14>And that's why the international community has to understand that

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<v Speaker 14>a permanent cease fire can only be reached if Hamas

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<v Speaker 14>is disabled it's military capabilities and its vilian capabilities.

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<v Speaker 2>And that hasn't happened. Clearly, They've just come out from

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<v Speaker 2>beneath the hospitals and schools where they've been hiding.

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<v Speaker 13>Absolutely, I mean Hamas has invested all of its resources,

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<v Speaker 13>including the money that was meant for Palestinian children, to

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<v Speaker 13>build an underground city to protect their terrorist activity, their

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<v Speaker 13>mineralist activity.

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<v Speaker 2>They know, they don't hold back.

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<v Speaker 10>They used children and women as human shields and it's

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<v Speaker 10>very difficult. We are fighting a terrorist organization.

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<v Speaker 2>These are monsters and Israel hasn't had the international community onside.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the first we saw of the Red Cross overnight,

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<v Speaker 2>just stepping in at the last minute to claim the publicity.

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<v Speaker 2>It outraged so many people because they never bothered to

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<v Speaker 2>visit the hostages. Sure, and Haskell, it's a big fight ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Really appreciate your time this evening. Thank you so much,

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<v Speaker 2>so we've got time for it tonight. I'll see you

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow at eight. And right now, here's poor Murray