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Speaker 1: cheers like the new hat brother, Thanks Gurbs you organized it.

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Speaker 2: It was country trucker caps.

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Speaker 1: Yep, through your man knuckles, Knuckles knuckles. If people want

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Speaker 1: to get you get knuckles to make them some hats

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Speaker 1: or something like.

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Speaker 2: That, Country trucker caps. That's where. Yeah, front, we've got

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Speaker 2: the we've got the backstage caps. Look, we've got a

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Speaker 2: we've got a little war chest of them. We're not

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Speaker 2: sure exactly what we're gonna do with them yet, whether

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Speaker 2: we're going to sell them, but why don't we just

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Speaker 2: stay tuned. If you like them, get in contact with us.

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Speaker 2: That might get us to sell them things like that.

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Speaker 2: You know, we are easily bought with flattery, Yes, correct,

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Speaker 2: We're easily persuaded. Twist our arm. Lots lots of big

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Speaker 2: stories in sport and Rugby League at the moment, Matthew,

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Speaker 2: none bigger than the Daly Cherry Heaven situation. Obviously, all

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Speaker 2: flooded the market last week in news, we held off

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Speaker 2: a little bit. You wanted to wait another twenty four

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Speaker 2: hours when everyone's speculating all this stuff. Why do we

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Speaker 1: Well, you're waiting for the dust to settle, coops, And

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Speaker 1: there's so many versions of well, there's only one version

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Speaker 1: as is why you've got You've got one faction who

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Speaker 1: you know, they're trying to say sits at the north pole.

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Speaker 1: The other faction sit at the south pole, and as is,

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Speaker 1: most of the time, the truth lies somewhere around the equator.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it really is soap proper, isn't it? Like there

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Speaker 2: it's when you look at news this year, you look

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Speaker 1: There's always something people have really started to embrace it

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Speaker 1: These days, people take it for what it is. It

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Speaker 1: is just part of the soap opera. If you're a fan,

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Speaker 1: And that's what rugby league is all about. Backstabbing, ye

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Speaker 2: And we don't want it to change, No, not one

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Speaker 1: Today we're going to give people a bit of an

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Speaker 1: where do you think he might end up? But firstly,

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Speaker 1: off the top, Cooper U mc dally's wedding, and we're

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Speaker 1: known you said a few jokes that right on the borderline.

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Speaker 1: Okay, that's good because you know, like, yeah, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: It's got nothing to do with blood. To your lifestyle.

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Speaker 1: I think he used service to the club needs to

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Speaker 2: That doesn't get and he doesn't and he doesn't get

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Speaker 1: If He'll go down as one of their greatest players,

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Speaker 1: top five half backs in the game. Forget about age,

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Speaker 2: he didn't make his decision on his retirement until January.

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Speaker 2: Because when you're that level of player, that caliber, that

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Speaker 2: I did. I ducked into the sheds quickly for a

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Speaker 1: When when you're realize, mate, you don't need alcohol to

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Speaker 1: Course all those things. How was okay? How did you

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Speaker 2: They weren't really like that. I didn't see any interaction

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Speaker 1: It does sit there.

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Speaker 2: But he Yeah, I liked how honest he was because

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Speaker 1: This, this whole situation is a perfect microcosm and how

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Speaker 1: things work in sport. But more to the point NRL,

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Speaker 1: and then you've got from there, You've got, as is

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Speaker 1: that's what's so hard to work all through this. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk about Okay, let's have an honest conversation here.

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Speaker 1: Do you pick the club wanted to resign Deli and

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Speaker 2: Why they wouldn't have, Like I can't. I get there's

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Speaker 2: So I would have thought they would have. But in

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Speaker 1: They may have been part of the reason. I don't

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Speaker 1: it might be wrong. I'm suspecting they might have thought

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Speaker 1: respect we're going to respect a club legend. We'll just

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Speaker 1: offer him one year, you know. But I think that's

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Speaker 1: how it started to develop. And Dally's stand here going, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: he wanted to release, other time saying that he's going

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Speaker 2: It's the old thing, right, you want what you can't have.

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Speaker 2: It does seem it does stink like that. It's like

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Speaker 2: Now he's backed away, Now let's go, And then like

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Speaker 2: the two year deal came after it was like, now

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Speaker 1: And that was the thing. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: It was so funny. I was just got. I was

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Speaker 2: I was like, I did it for years. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but and literally it's all my phone just started blowing

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Speaker 2: I couldn't go to sleep, Like I literally couldn't take

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Speaker 2: You know, you say, now you've got a two year deal, Dally,

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Speaker 2: will you accept that respectfully? No?

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Speaker 3: Mate?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It's been It's been pretty amazing to

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Speaker 1: Coops if something happens and let's just throw out scenario.

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Speaker 1: You know, I accuse you of stealing a million dollars

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Speaker 1: and so all of a sudden, this is where you

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Speaker 1: go no, no, no and reject that. Other journals will

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: The ones you've got to be careful of sometimes is

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Speaker 2: Sense, Yeah, picking one side kind of thing going with that?

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Speaker 1: Can I ask you, well, I'll say this, it's okay

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Speaker 1: not a drama. If you're this is your honest opinion

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Speaker 1: then that's fine. Like, for instance, in this, my honest

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Speaker 1: is the opinion that I have formed. I haven't formed

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got the exact same opinion. And I even

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Speaker 2: though I made with chairs, I haven't actually I haven't

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Speaker 2: unpacked it with him at all because I didn't want

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Speaker 2: don't know where the truth lies. I want to ask you, right,

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Speaker 2: you just spoke about how the media is used, and

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Speaker 2: you're obviously in the media, not in a journalist, right,

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Speaker 2: you're in entertainment.

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Speaker 1: Now, Well, I do I write articles?

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Speaker 2: You write articles, But yeah, but entertainment's the same thing, right,

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Speaker 2: you still have an ability to influence an audience based

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Speaker 1: Well, I write a column, I do podcasts, I sit

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Speaker 1: with an analytical show with Cooper Kronk. I'm sorry, general, no, no,

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Speaker 1: So now I get amazed when I see retired players

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Speaker 1: the media. I'm going, sorry, you are the media. You're

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Speaker 1: not wearing a pair of boots on a Sunday. You

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Speaker 1: have moved into another profession. You are a media. You

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Speaker 1: are part of the media. That's that's the way it is,

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Speaker 1: well right, So you are the media.

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Speaker 2: You are the media. You are Australian media. I wanted

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Speaker 1: My media career have always made short coup. My opinions

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Speaker 1: that I express, which sometimes have been unpopular some people

433
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Speaker 1: sometimes thought they were a little over the top or unfair,

434
00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:13,520
Speaker 1: have always been formed on my opinion. You might go

435
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: and chat to somebody and they might say, mate, I

436
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:16,920
Speaker 1: think this is going on, have a look at that,

437
00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,800
Speaker 1: and you're going to have a look and say absolutely,

438
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,240
Speaker 1: I understand that, and then you form an opinion on that.

439
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 1: But I never form an opinion by someone giving me

440
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 1: a phone call going mate, I need you to push

441
00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:28,439
Speaker 1: this for me. You know, that's and that goes on.

442
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Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. I've had a couple of examples.

443
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Speaker 1: I remember. I'll give you a couple of examples on

444
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Speaker 1: a couple of different scenarios here. Firstly, I remember I

445
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,840
Speaker 1: was in a I was driving the car. I'll set

446
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,240
Speaker 1: it into work. I'll get a call. I not recognize

447
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: the phone number. So yeah, hello, yeah mate, So and so,

448
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm so and so And I'm like, oh yeah, mates,

449
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:53,680
Speaker 1: And I'm going, who is this mate? I'm the media

450
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 1: manager of this certain club. Oh yeah, mate? What can

451
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 1: I do for you? And I'm thinking maybe wants me

452
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Speaker 1: to do some presentation night or send a message or something.

453
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 1: What can I do for your mate?

454
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

455
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Speaker 1: Mate, I don't know you were aware, but you know

456
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: how one of our players is up on a lifting charge.

457
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and we're aware of that. The

458
00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: coach wants you to go away and just have a

459
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Speaker 1: look at how the tackle was done, now what it was.

460
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 1: And I said, mate, I'll fucking stop you right there.

461
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 1: I said, you go back, and you tell your coach

462
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 1: that if he wants to call me, he can call

463
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Speaker 1: me directly. But even if he calls me directly, I'm

464
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Speaker 1: not going to waste my time going and sitting in

465
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Speaker 1: front of a video and form an opinion that you

466
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Speaker 1: want me to have. This is the sort of stuff

467
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,040
Speaker 1: that goes on and you've gotta be really careful of that.

468
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Speaker 1: Another time, and this is another version of it. I

469
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Speaker 1: went up to State of Origin and there was a

470
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Speaker 1: lot of word going around about a certain coach that

471
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Speaker 1: was about to be sacked, and I said, oh, geez,

472
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,679
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of truth in that. So

473
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Speaker 1: I went to someone who was involved attached to that

474
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Speaker 1: club and I asked him, I said, is this what's

475
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Speaker 1: going on? And he said there is a lot of

476
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Speaker 1: rumblings and that I think it is. So the next

477
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: day on the radio, I went on and said, look,

478
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Speaker 1: this is what the story has been at the moment.

479
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Speaker 1: There is nothing, nothing definitive, but this is the story

480
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Speaker 1: that's going around about this coach who was struggling in

481
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Speaker 1: his team that's struggling. So that night I'm about to

482
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Speaker 1: heading into the show in a Fox Sports and I

483
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: recognize it. I see if my phone ring, I don't

484
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Speaker 1: recognize the number, and I go, hello, it's that coach

485
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 1: and he goes, what a fucking duruabler? You are, and

486
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,400
Speaker 1: I'm going, what are you talking about? Like in which way?

487
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 1: And he said, I made you saying that I'm about

488
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Speaker 1: to be sacked and all that sort of stuff. And

489
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Speaker 1: I said, no, I didn't say you're about to be sacked.

490
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Speaker 1: I said that there's talk in around your club about

491
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Speaker 1: you going to be sacked. He said, we was bullshit,

492
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: it's not true, and mate, you should know better, and

493
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: went on this rant and I went, you know what,

494
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going to argue a wait, see, ye have

495
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 1: no problem. So I'm driving the Fox Sports and I thought,

496
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Speaker 1: fuck this, so ringing back and I said, there you're going.

497
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Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, what what what do you go? And

498
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 1: I said, well, mate, listen, surely you know, surely you

499
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 1: know these rumblings are going on. I would suggest you

500
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Speaker 1: get on the phone and call your chairman and have

501
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Speaker 1: an honest conversation with him. And the other thing too,

502
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Speaker 1: is I would suggest that you go and do it

503
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Speaker 1: with a spring cloning with your assistance, because there's a

504
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Speaker 1: couple of assistants of the people that are putting this out.

505
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Speaker 1: And he said I know, yeah, well I'm aware of it.

506
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Speaker 1: So that's just an example. He was ringing me to

507
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Speaker 1: express event. I rang him back and said, these are

508
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Speaker 1: the facts that I have been given, and he then conceded, Yeah,

509
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 1: well you were you yourself or Jack in a car

510
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 1: that day with Jack a call by player manager let

511
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Speaker 1: me turn Jack up.

512
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Speaker 4: I think it was Jack, right, remember that, Jake, Yeah,

513
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Speaker 4: we're on the way to remember I was, I don't

514
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Speaker 4: know if I was fifteen or sixteen, and we're on

515
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Speaker 4: the way.

516
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: Out to a.

517
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Speaker 4: Rugby union match.

518
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Speaker 1: I remember it was about you were playing it. I

519
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 1: wasn't going to watch the Warrior does.

520
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 4: And the moment, almost the moment we hopped in the car,

521
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 4: your phone rang on and you sort of said, oh,

522
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 4: just just be quiet. I'm just got this conversation. I

523
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 4: got this certain play manager ringing me, and I remember that.

524
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Speaker 4: I won't say what the incident was, but I remember

525
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 4: exactly what situation was going on in and around the

526
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Speaker 4: NNERL at the time, around a certain club, in a

527
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Speaker 4: certain situation, and this player manager had certain stakeholders in

528
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 4: this shall we say cobber and he was he spent,

529
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Speaker 4: It was relentless. It was a really good lesson for

530
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Speaker 4: me because I remember listening to this bloke trying to

531
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Speaker 4: spin a yarn for the course of I remember the

532
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 4: trip I was playing somewhere in the eastern suburbs. Took

533
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 4: us an hour to get there, and I remember you

534
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 4: just kept it going, and it probably the moment we arrived,

535
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Speaker 4: after about an hour of just ranting this manager, you

536
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 4: then just entered the call and said to me, do

537
00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:56,959
Speaker 4: you know what he was trying to do there? And

538
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 4: you sort of use it as a bit of a lesson.

539
00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 4: I'll never forget it. And it was, you know, he

540
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 4: was being super friendly, like he wasn't like he was

541
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 4: trying to antagonize you at all, but you could see

542
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 4: he was trying to spin it away, and he'd always

543
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Speaker 4: finish his sentences with you know what I mean, and

544
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,439
Speaker 4: he just tried to get you bit by bit to

545
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Speaker 4: try and.

546
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Speaker 1: Agree with it. So it was about an individual that,

547
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of people had had a clash with.

548
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Speaker 1: And this individual was a friend of mine, and he's

549
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: a guy I vouched for and I believe and he's

550
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Speaker 1: got a lot of integrity. And he kept pushing that

551
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 1: my mate was in the wrong and it was unnecessary

552
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:37,560
Speaker 1: and he was doing the wrong thing, and he just

553
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 1: kept saying it, mate, But you got admit what he

554
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: did was wrong, and I go and he goes, but, man,

555
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 1: he come, you have to admit what he did and

556
00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: what he said was wrong. I went, nah, no, I don't,

557
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 1: and he would go on a round for another ten

558
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: minutes and a go, you know, because what he said

559
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: was wrong. Pause mad he but what he said was

560
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: is the recording? No, well, I don't know. I don't

561
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 1: believe so, because you can't do that. You've got to

562
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: let a person know legally if they're recording it. All

563
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: he wanted me to say, as simple as this was

564
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: to go, yeah, he probably did say the wrong thing. Boomp.

565
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: He goes straight to the media and he says, next minute,

566
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: you'll get a call from someone saying, oh, you know

567
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: so and so from you know, maybe the telegraph. Here

568
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: you going mane, Yeah, good mate, I just received a

569
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: call from his play manager and you agreed with him

570
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: that your mate was totally out of line. And that's

571
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: what will happen if you allow, if you allow a

572
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: person in there, if you allow yourself to be manipulated,

573
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: or even to the point, after an hour to go,

574
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: how do I get this bloke off the phone? And

575
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: he knew that if he just keeps asking. All I

576
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: had to do was I'll get this bloke off the phone.

577
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 1: I'll just agree with him and then everything would have change.

578
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Speaker 2: Oh, even like that, this is on a smalle scale.

579
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Speaker 2: I remember even a player who was coming off contract

580
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 2: last year and I only just had transitioned into the media,

581
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: and most of my media stuff was, you know, more

582
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 2: funny stuff. I was really talking sport. Whether I was

583
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 2: on the radio the most what we're talking about is

584
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: probably on the podcast, right. But he was like, oh, mate,

585
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 2: just put the feelers out there for me on like radio.

586
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: And I said, it would be very unorthodox for me

587
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: to go on a radio show that talks about sport

588
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 2: never and just go hey, head of nowhere and just

589
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 2: give this this NRL player or a rap going yeah,

590
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 2: and he's off contract. Can you believe that anyway he

591
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 2: now works in breakfast radio.

592
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 3: It wasn't. It wasn't.

593
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: Actually Grant you feel uneasy in his position at the

594
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 1: Melbourne Storm.

595
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: Hey, just before we move off this situation, can I

596
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: ask you, did you ever feel you had a lot

597
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: of coaching roles in the past and you had myself

598
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 2: and Jack at you know, merely in Storm Knights and

599
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: rabbits with Jack. Did you ever feel being in the

600
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 2: media you had to be a little Did you ever

601
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,639
Speaker 2: feel biased at all, or did you feel pressure to

602
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 2: be biased and support a narrative of those clubs?

603
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: What it would do? You can't help the human element,

604
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: you know. I'm not going to sit here and say

605
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: I never get a minute's thought that you Blakes were

606
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: playing in that club. But I had the discipline to

607
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 1: go no, No, that's what I believe. I'm going to

608
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,919
Speaker 1: write it now. If that club are so petty that

609
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: they're going to look at what I said and take

610
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: it out on you or Jack, well that's them. But

611
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: I have my job. I get paid, I have paid

612
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 1: to have I'm paid to have an honest opinion. Now,

613
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: I mean Jack was at the Knights at times, and

614
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: I was critical of very critical of some of the

615
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: decisions the Knights were making, or even sometimes a little

616
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: critical about how they were playing. Yeah, but that's that's

617
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: my job. And at the end of the day, it's

618
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: not life and death and it's not personal. It's just

619
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: an opinion.

620
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 2: Well, like you said, there as was Joey, and Joey

621
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: was on the coaching staff helping out their halves sometimes

622
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: and he would still be visibly angry in the coverage

623
00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: right after some of their performances.

624
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: Well keeps. When I do individual coaching, whether it's a

625
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: club send some guys over or they come on their

626
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: own accord, and you've seen some of the ones that

627
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: sort of come and go out of the place, we

628
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: go down. I never receive a dollar from it, because

629
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: when you receive money in these instances, then to an extent,

630
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: your opinion will be perceive that it's swayed or that

631
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: you're playing favorites, and you're influenced by that. So I

632
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: always make sure to the club, you know, And I've

633
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: said this with Madge when he'd send some of the

634
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: blokes over to me, and I'd say, Madge, there is

635
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: not a problem in the world. Bring them over, but

636
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm not going to take a dollar off you. And

637
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: he goes, well, why's that, I said, because I deserve

638
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: the right to still criticize the shit out he is

639
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 1: and they are sweet. That's fair and understood. That's fair.

640
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: And I've had ones before, I've worked with players and

641
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: then I'll get a call, I'll watch them in the

642
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: game and I'll be critical of that team and I've

643
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: had coaches ring me up and go oh mate, blah

644
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: blah blah, And I said, well, listen, how much money

645
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: you bloke's paying me? He goes, oh, I know we're

646
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: not paying you exactly. Let me enjoy a Sunday Yeah, exactly.

647
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 2: And have you got any more on the DC situation.

648
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: Oh, I'll just say this, you know, it really reminds

649
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: me of in twenty eleven with Dudley's first year in

650
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: first grade and they win the competition. Mainly asked me

651
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 1: to MC their presentation ball, like the Grand Final presentation

652
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: ball on the Friday after the Sunday game, and I

653
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, it made it be an honor, honor

654
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 1: to do it live in the area. You know, no

655
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: one like the like the players, like the coaching des.

656
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,479
Speaker 1: So I'm getting ready to do the show. Around midday,

657
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: rumor starts, Mate, Apparently Desi's about to walk out on Manly.

658
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: I was like, what, Yeah, apparently he's about to walk

659
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: out on Manly. He's had off, he's at a blue

660
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: with a few club officials and he's about to accept

661
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: an offer at the Bulldogs. And this just swept through,

662
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: as some rumors do in rugby. League, some some like

663
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: some come to fruition, others end up just total bullshit.

664
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: I thought that was the latter. I thought, this is

665
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: just bullshit. I'm drying to the place up at Francis Forest.

666
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: We're driving the Tricia and Eye comes on the radio.

667
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: It has been confirmed Des Hasler has walked out on

668
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: the Manly Club and he assigned a deal three or

669
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: four years with the Kennedy Bulldogs. We're like stunned and

670
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to MC at this presentation with all mainly fans,

671
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: all the players.

672
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 2: How was it all there?

673
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: It was so weird, really walked in the atmosphere. People

674
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: were a lot of people were in disbelief and a

675
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: lot of people were venting about the club, How the officials,

676
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: how could they let Des walk out on this? What

677
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: was the situation? Other people were filthy on Des. And

678
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 1: I remember, it's just standing up and I'm going, hey, everyone,

679
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: welcome to the presentation. Ball for the premier is the

680
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: Manly Seagulls.

681
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: And it was.

682
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 2: Wow, were You're making many jokes in that?

683
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? I did. I said listen to people. I said, listen,

684
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: we all know what's happened with Dez. At the end

685
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: of the day time will come and go, you know what,

686
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: and you'll be filthy if we don't enjoy it tonight.

687
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: So come on, let's go, come on, let's fire up.

688
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: And people went, yeah, you said party to the break

689
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 1: of dawn, y'all. Yeah, but it was a weird night.

690
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: That's what reminds me of that with the me and

691
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: the club. This sort of thing happens probably more regularly

692
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 1: than others.

693
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: You know what, Now, I'm not going to point anyone

694
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: out of you, but one of my favorite things you

695
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: just sparked my memory. One of my favorite things ever

696
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 2: was at I remember the last home game of the

697
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 2: season at one of the clubs I was at, when

698
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 2: they usually what'd you say, It's not gonna be hard

699
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: to pick.

700
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 4: It's one of the two.

701
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, thanks for interrupting, stopping the story just to

702
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: add a one liner. But what I will say, so

703
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: it was one of the two where you narrowed it down.

704
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: But on the big screen right at the last home

705
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: game of the season for every club, they kind of

706
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 2: do like the departing players farewell, good luck, and we're

707
00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: sitting there on the sideline and and one of the

708
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 2: boys everyone's looking as they do a little like individual

709
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: departing players. Person comes up and then this certain players

710
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: come up on the big screen and he goes, oh fuck,

711
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:11,600
Speaker 2: and we all look at him and go what and

712
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 2: he goes, I didn't know I was leaving. So funny.

713
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: I can't I can't do it because then it narrows

714
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: the club and the player. It was so funny. We

715
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: were like, oh, do you not know when he goes?

716
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: My manager said he was still talking to the club

717
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: this week and they were going to make a decision

718
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 2: next week, and then they just popped him up there.

719
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: Someone is to blame the club or the manager, you

720
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: know what.

721
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: I think sometimes they do it as a tactic to

722
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 2: then like make your shit yourself and just go, oh,

723
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 2: you know, I'll take whatever to stay. I think that's

724
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 2: what clubs do sometimes because I will look when I

725
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 2: say this, I remember when I left Melbourne, went in

726
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: there with Balliac and Frank spoke, look, you know, good

727
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: luck with the next part of your life. I said, thanks, thanks, guys,

728
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,000
Speaker 2: you're sure you don't want me to stay. I'll do anything,

729
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: like do you need a job anything. I didn't offer it.

730
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 2: Then in that moment Frank would hang on Frank said, no,

731
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: I do.

732
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 1: That's my coach.

733
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: But with I reckon within from the drive, from the

734
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 2: drive from Amy Park back to me and how he

735
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,280
Speaker 2: wishes joint. As soon as I hit then the graphic

736
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: was so the graphic had already been made departing Cooper

737
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: John before that meeting, so I knew as soon as

738
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: the meeting's going they went, yeah, boy as you can

739
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 2: post it now, it was ready to be announced. I

740
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: was like, they've made that.

741
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: Last week, Frank, bring him in buys right as DCUs

742
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 1: spoken to Gill about returning to Queensland any point.

743
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: Nah, Nah, To be fair, I don't want to know.

744
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to know because if I said this

745
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: to I was talking to Parks about this how today

746
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 2: Parks sort of asked the same thing. He goes, you

747
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 2: spoke to Cheas about like any interest from clubs, and

748
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: I said, I don't want to even know that because

749
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,240
Speaker 2: if Chess has told two people and one's his wife

750
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 2: and the others meet and it gets out, I guarantee

751
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 2: it's not going to be his wife.

752
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: And women gossip, and Parks goes, I'm with you, I'm

753
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: the exact same. I hope he does tell Okay, what

754
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: do you think. So the favorites Roosters, Dolphins, the outsiders,

755
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: the sleepers, if you will, are the Dogs and the Titans.

756
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: Now that dogs have come out and said no, no, no,

757
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 1: But mate, Guss is so. Mate, Gus is clever. Mate,

758
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: like Gus knows you don't you don't just yeah, yeah,

759
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: yell to the to the rooftops. Mate, We're going to

760
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: sign DCU because all of a sudden everything intensifies that

761
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: people chase him harder. That up their offer. If you

762
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: really want to go and get a bloke, keep you're

763
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,839
Speaker 1: hide in the long grass. It was interesting to listen

764
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: to a podcast the other day. People were saying that

765
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 1: I'm one hundred percent footy. Chairs was off camera, sort

766
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: of sitting down, waiting to go on the next segment,

767
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 1: and at the time they were talking about mate, the

768
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: thing with the referees where coaches can't go to the

769
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: press conference talk about the referees at all, and Gus

770
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: blew up and that's it. Walked off set.

771
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember seeing that video.

772
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:03,959
Speaker 1: But they said, what do you do when he walks

773
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,919
Speaker 1: off set? He went straight up, straight over, sat next

774
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: to DC and they were conversation. So Gus is so clear,

775
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: there's every chance he had gone sitting over there.

776
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 2: He's on his own.

777
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: He's on his own. Am I going to get to him?

778
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: How can I? Referees walk off straight over? So I

779
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: I at the moment, I don't dismiss the dogs.

780
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 2: Look, I see the Coensland is a good one. But

781
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: I think that the Chookies they're the obvious choice because

782
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 2: they've got cash. They have cash to burn at the moment, right, yeah, yeah.

783
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: They do, they do. Let's come to the roosters, right,

784
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: let's get so. I think he'll end up there, unlet's

785
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 1: talk about the reasons why. But the other two, the

786
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: other sleeper, I mean they'd have to, there'd be a

787
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: lot of humble pie swallowed. But the but the Titans,

788
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, look look at the Titans and at the

789
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: moment they got a J and they have fozs there.

790
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: But there's a J and Jayden. Neither of them are

791
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: neither a real natural playmakers like Jayden's on natural set.

792
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 2: No bloody good job.

793
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: But they're doing a very very good job. But if

794
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 1: DC was to go there with Tina Dave for feeder,

795
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 1: no Ford a waker, that pack of forwards jeez, you

796
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: could do.

797
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 2: Something, especially what if they were able to retain Jayden,

798
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: Campbell and AJ like what they would learn under chairs

799
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 2: for a year or two going forward.

800
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,839
Speaker 1: As Harlow maintain, I think that AJ's position going into

801
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: the future is that lightweight thirteen. You just step around

802
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 1: Bob Brown, so he had no problem finding Yeah, I

803
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: go into another position, maintaining I.

804
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: Don't think it'll happen, though. I don't think Titans will

805
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: join the race only due to what they're clearly still

806
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 2: there's still scar tissue there the last time.

807
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: Well, just think about the coach. Yeah, there is, but

808
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: that's a long time it's a long time ago. Relationships

809
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: that tricky. But you think about the coach. The coach

810
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,600
Speaker 1: is very similar to Phil Good. He likes to hide

811
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: in the long grass hill. He says it himself, fly

812
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: under the raidar me and Jack Later.

813
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 2: Me and Jack were talking the other day. I imagine,

814
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 2: just from a from a comical point of view, wouldn't

815
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: it be funny if the Titans, just to get a

816
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: bit of revenge, come out and announ's right, here's a

817
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 2: two year deal for Ceza. As Cheza agrees to it

818
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 2: verbally and then Titans back back. How good with that man,

819
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 2: It'd just be funny for the storyline. I reckon even

820
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: Chessu would ever laugh at that.

821
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: The other one Dolphins, and there's that romanticism with the

822
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: Cherries and the Evans. Both sides of his family come

823
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: from there, the legends there. I was tipped off a

824
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: while ago by person saying he's a bit of a

825
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: room around that. The Dolphins are going to make a

826
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: massive play for Deli to try through sentimentality getting back

827
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: for the last couple of years. He'd be great for

828
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: Isaa Katawa as a mentor helping him through. He needs

829
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: a strong playmaker alongside him and they need it. The

830
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 1: Dolphins good father hammer to like you see, he struggled

831
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: the first about five weeks ago, I made a very

832
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: bold statement saying he was going to be top three

833
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: in the dally Am.

834
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: There's still time. But he's he's they came. They've really

835
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: they struggled to open him out this year.

836
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: They can't open the field up and they're playing two sideways.

837
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: They need just to be a bit more no how

838
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: in the creative positions. But the big ones, the roosters,

839
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 1: and the roosters they find themselves in an unusual and

840
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: unexpected situations through players retiring down to England, j w

841
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: H and Lukeri Manu chasing the chasing the Japanese rugby

842
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: and all Blacks dream. Then you've got players have let go.

843
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 1: There's stuff tupernur like you have what Tuber's doing now

844
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: the dogs they must be looking gown and Torell Mate,

845
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 1: the Torell May thing that was so puzzling. At one

846
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: moment they view him as one of the most outstanding prospects,

847
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: young prospects in the game, forwards in the game. And

848
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: then just to go out of now where you're an

849
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: offseason mate, you're not now planning.

850
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: It just got off him really quickly they did.

851
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 1: And then, of course, as far as the kream on

852
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: top has has been, as far as bad luck is

853
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: that Sammy, Sammy Walker and Brandon doing their knees in

854
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: the same game one of the last games of the season,

855
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: which rules them out for most of this year. Now,

856
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 1: Chad Townsend, he was brought to that club to mentor

857
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: Sam Walker, but also just to add a little bit

858
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,800
Speaker 1: of playmaker depth just in case he's needed, And suddenly

859
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: he find himself central playmaker struggling behind a pack that

860
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: can't get him on the front foot and trying to

861
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: learn a new system. So they they have future plans Coop,

862
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: but they need something in the short term from next year.

863
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: They need well putting into a perspective of what we're

864
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: what you're about to tell us about as well to

865
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: remind you. They need a Cooper Krump. They need the

866
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: old playmaker who comes in for two years and puts

867
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 2: a system in place and teaches everybody how to win. Well.

868
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: Those there's long term future plans which people have spoken

869
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: about and some of them have some people have spoken

870
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: about rooms about I'm chasing or whoever they're going to

871
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,240
Speaker 1: go after in a few years time. They need someone

872
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: to bridge the present to the future, and he is

873
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: that two years Cooper. Look the Roosters sign. People have

874
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: the perception of the reason why the Roosters sign big

875
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: players is they pay big financially, and extent it does.

876
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,280
Speaker 1: But this is a club that is in the past

877
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: and the reason pass haven't They've missed out in some

878
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: big ones, which has been unusual. But they're very, very

879
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: good at the cell and Nick Polydis You'll never find

880
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: a more passionate man in rugby league than Nick polydis

881
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: passionate about the game, but particularly passionate about his club,

882
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: the Roosters, and one of the big cells that Nick

883
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: does when you sit and speak to him and I'll

884
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: talk about my experience with it, he sells you the

885
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: history of the club and the importance of the club,

886
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: and then if you sign for the club, what it's

887
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: like to be you're playing for the same club as

888
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: Arthur Beatson and these legends of the game. Cooper Crome

889
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: told me when he was going to return, or not return,

890
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,280
Speaker 1: but go to Sydney, moved to Sydney with his family.

891
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: He had a number of clubs looking going after him,

892
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 1: and he was up in the air. He was getting

893
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 1: closer and closer, thinking, I think it might be the Roosters.

894
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,719
Speaker 1: He's staying at his house in Sydney. He's a knock

895
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: on the door. Boom boom, booms up the courier there

896
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: who hands him a book which Nick poliit has has

897
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: sent the History of the Roosters and attached to a

898
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: note attached. He had a note attached to the book

899
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 1: that says, just read the chapters. On nineteen seventy four,

900
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy five. In nineteen seventy three, the year before that,

901
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: they'd had a disappointing year the Roosters, and they made

902
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: a couple of key signings and then went back to

903
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: back in seventy four seventy five. When Cooper took the book,

904
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: read the note and read the chapters, he knew exactly

905
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: why they wanted to sign him and if he did sign,

906
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: what they were expecting from him, and he delivered. I

907
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 1: went back to back eighteen nineteen, my discussion with Nick.

908
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: In two thousand, when I was leaving the Knights, I'd

909
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:08,879
Speaker 1: made up of mind I was going to go play

910
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: in Wigan, play for Wigan, because I'd always been a dream,

911
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: you know, to watch it as a kid, watching Challenge

912
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,280
Speaker 1: Cups and Wigan they called them the Cherry and Whites

913
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: and playing at the club that Ellery Hanley and Brett

914
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: Kenny and all these guys play that time, I'm going there,

915
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 1: and my late manager John Fordham said, listen, I know

916
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 1: you're getting close to signing a girl at Wigan, but

917
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 1: let's just sit down. Nick wants to meet with us

918
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: and the Roosters and Bernie Geer, who was the city

919
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: at the time. They want to sit and they just

920
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: want to sell to the Roosters, is maybe signing a

921
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: two year deal And I went, right, what are you

922
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: Eavon Ford? I said, mate, look, I think Nick, I

923
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: think it's something you have to do. You know, Nick's

924
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 1: got in contact with it. I think you oh it

925
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 1: to him, just at least to sit and listen. Their

926
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: cell was so good and it was not talking at

927
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: that point about money, but talking about the club where

928
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: they wanted to go. But for me, he knew how

929
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: much I loved the history of the game, and he

930
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: was talking about the history of the Roosters and where

931
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: I would fit in. I end up saying about sixty

932
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: percent through the cell. I said, Nick, can you mate

933
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: fucking stop, mate, please stop. You're changing my mind. And

934
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: it's been a lifelong ambition to play for Wigan, but

935
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: you're chasing changing my mind. Can we just can we

936
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: stop now? Well? And he did. He said, Okay, if

937
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: you're going to go, you're going to go.

938
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, A look, before we wrap up the podcast, a

939
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 2: couple big, big other storylines just to get your quick

940
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 2: opinion on.

941
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,360
Speaker 1: So I think, by the way, my conclusion is, I

942
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: think you'll go to the Roosters. Okay, perfect, what's your conclusion?

943
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: What do you think?

944
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 2: I think the trick is to. I think the trick

945
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 2: is to and I think Manly's in the context of

946
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 2: other big clubs, Manly is quite a small pond when

947
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 2: you open it up. If there was a club that

948
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 2: you'd want to finish your career at, it's one of

949
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 2: the big clubs, like the Roosters, because their connections go

950
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: far and wide and they open up such a big

951
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: avenue post football as well with the work.

952
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 3: And other thing.

953
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: Cooper said he had some clubs come after him who

954
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: were struggling clubs, and he sat there and went, well,

955
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: the Roosters, I'll get a chance to win another camp

956
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: at these other clubs. I'm going to spend most of

957
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 1: my time tackling.

958
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: Correct don't worry about that, and I've just got away

959
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: with that in my whole career, as did you. A

960
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 2: couple other quick storylines. Latrelle Mitchell is tipped to come

961
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 2: back this week Round five will no come the weekend,

962
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: but tip to play in the centers. What'd you take

963
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 2: on that? Because Jie Gray is obviously doing an outstanding

964
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: job leading the Dally and Meddle at the moment, I

965
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 2: think he's playing too good to move him out of there.

966
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 2: I mean, if he goes to left center, you've got

967
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: Campbell Graham and right center where's Jack White, and go

968
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: potentially through the middle.

969
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: But I like Whiteness at third ay, I said, I

970
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: think as time goes by, he'll move into that role.

971
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: Have a great I mean, with Cam Murray out for

972
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:55,919
Speaker 2: the rest of the year, it could be it could

973
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: be a good balance in their team. But I like

974
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: the Waynes made Day call it. I don't think many

975
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 2: coaches could probably have that, have that alo where they

976
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 2: can make that hard decision because they'd want Latrell on

977
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 2: their side. But I think Wayne is a big enough

978
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: presence where he can say to Latrell, we need Gie

979
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 2: at the back because we want we want a team

980
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 2: from one to seventeen where everyone's confident and playing good footy.

981
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: You slip in at left center. I like it.

982
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,359
Speaker 1: You don't know what Wayne's got planned, Wayne, Wayne said

983
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, the asking about made Joe Gray playing

984
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: so good keeping there, He said, mate, let me just

985
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: tell you when Latrell Metro wears the souse, Jersey went

986
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: on kurching, he'll be wearing the full back, he said,

987
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: mate with Joie, I don't know, he'll find something to do,

988
00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 1: maybe work in the canteen, like that's Wayne, Yeah, marking around.

989
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: But there's every chance when he gets when the team

990
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: sheet comes out, is that there's every chance at Latroll

991
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: will be at left center, or when the team sheet

992
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: comes out, Latroll will be at fullback. Joe Gray be

993
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: fourteen and then on game day switch happens. But he's

994
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: just he's got flexibility there.

995
00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he's good for Wayne.

996
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 1: I was tip dof once with Wayne when the Broncos

997
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,479
Speaker 1: went on to win the compt in two thousand and six.

998
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: Said the big year I got. I got tipped off,

999
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: they said, said, mate, Wayne's going to move Sean Berregan

1000
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: from the sanders or five aper he's playing into hooker

1001
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,239
Speaker 1: and sort of change the way they're going to play.

1002
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,240
Speaker 1: So anyway, that weekend I'm interview and Wayne and I said, oh, Wayne,

1003
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: you know, I believe you're going to move Seawan Bregan

1004
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: to hooker And he went, why would I do that? So,

1005
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,399
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, sort of change up your

1006
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: style of play. Team struggling a little bit a little

1007
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 1: bit at the moment, he goes, I've got no plans

1008
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: to do that, and I said, oh, okay, no worries.

1009
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: I've just got my mail wrong. He said, yeah you

1010
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 1: have and it was right. Two weeks later, Shawn Peregan

1011
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: goes into hooker. Oh, yeah, it's just it's what they did.

1012
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 1: That's what the best coaches do, exactly. They don't. They don't.

1013
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: They don't tell you their intentions.

1014
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like.

1015
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: Poker, mate, you're going to play poker. You don't show

1016
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: people your hand. No, No.

1017
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,319
Speaker 2: Asa Harts shed out to Barrow as well in front

1018
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 2: of the podcast. Obviously was over in Vegas with us

1019
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 2: trying to kiss me on the lips, Jack, wasn't he. Now, look,

1020
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: as we're rounding out the podcast in a little bit

1021
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,319
Speaker 2: of international sports news, did you see the video of

1022
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 2: Josh Giddy hitting the half court shot for the Chicago's

1023
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 2: Bulls against the Los Angeles Lakers.

1024
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: Incredible buzz beat. He have a great impact at Chicago.

1025
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: He is, he is.

1026
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 2: It was pretty crazy. Yeah, it's every athlete's dream right

1027
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,479
Speaker 2: in a buzzer beat, particularly like that. But I caught

1028
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: it up with him earlier in the week on kiss

1029
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: and just did a little six minute chat about the

1030
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 2: buzzer beater, So just a round out the podcast.

1031
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: We'll put it in just before we do. How was he?

1032
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 3: Was?

1033
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: He a nice guy, good guy, good from Melbourne.

1034
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: A couple of mates I become friends with down in

1035
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 2: Melbourne who play AFL had a bit to do with

1036
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: him growing up and they have good wraps and says

1037
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: such a good blow. So yeah, yeah, he's.

1038
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: A major season. Yeah, coops, look forward to listening.

1039
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,879
Speaker 2: Right, don't see you next week. But mate, you must

1040
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 2: be absolutely buzzing at the moment.

1041
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, n and things that things have been going at

1042
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 3: the last you know a little bit, so enjoying it.

1043
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,720
Speaker 2: How you been enjoying your time at the Chicago Bulls?

1044
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 3: Loving it, loving it. The city is great. It's kind

1045
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,680
Speaker 3: of like Melbourne, So the city is great. The guy

1046
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 3: as the team, everyone's been really good. So fitted them

1047
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 3: well and settled in.

1048
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 2: Obviously, you made a lot of press the videos going

1049
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: viral of that mad buzzer beater over the top of

1050
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 2: Lebron James. Run us through the moment, run us through

1051
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 2: what's going through your head? How do you execute such

1052
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: a big moment like that?

1053
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously it all happens pretty quickly con the

1054
00:49:29,920 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: flow of the game, and it was a pretty wild

1055
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 3: last you know, ten fifteen seconds of the game, and

1056
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: we made you know, the three, and then I got

1057
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 3: the steel off the inbound Kobe hit another three. They

1058
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: went down to score, went back up, and then there

1059
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 3: were three seconds left and I tried to get it

1060
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 3: in quickly to Kobe. They denied him and then threw

1061
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 3: with the pat He had someone in front of him

1062
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: and threw it back to me, and then there was

1063
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 3: three seconds left, and as I went to go up

1064
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: the floor, I saw it was kind of a wall

1065
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 3: of guys in front of me, and I had to

1066
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 3: The best show I could get was probably from where

1067
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 3: I shot it, and at that point, you know, I

1068
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 3: just had to let it go confidently, and lucky enough

1069
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 3: it went in. But yeah, I try. I would have

1070
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 3: ado got closer to the rim and further up the court,

1071
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 3: but there was a wall of guys in front of

1072
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:09,800
Speaker 3: me and not enough time, so I just had to

1073
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: settle from where I did, and we're lucky enough to

1074
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 3: win him on the buzzer.

1075
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: Lebron James is trying to shut you down when you're

1076
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 2: making that shot. Is that Is that surreal for you?

1077
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's you know, that's a guy that

1078
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 3: I looked up through growing up and someone I loved

1079
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 3: to watch. It was one of my favorite players. So

1080
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 3: obviously at any moment you have with them, those type

1081
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 3: of guys on the court is very cool. But irrespective

1082
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 3: of who the player was in front of me, you know,

1083
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: I had to do what I did, So it just

1084
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,560
Speaker 3: happened to, you know, be Lebron in front of me

1085
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 3: during that shot. But yeah, it was obviously a cool moment,

1086
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: very very very special, and it was great to share

1087
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,160
Speaker 3: it with, you know, friends and family and the crowd.

1088
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: So I was just something I'll never forget. It obviously

1089
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 3: caught the attention of a lot of people around the world,

1090
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 3: So it was a fun night. You know. Besides the shot,

1091
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,720
Speaker 3: I think they come back win was impressed by everybody,

1092
00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 3: So it was it was a fun night.

1093
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 2: And I imagine after a game like that, it's it's

1094
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 2: hard to sleep. You got the adrenaline going through through

1095
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: the body. How did you celebrate that, because I imagine

1096
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: you would have been just on cloud nine for a while.

1097
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 3: No, it definitely felt good. We went out to our

1098
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: I was with some friends. We went out to dinner

1099
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 3: in the city, so nothing, nothing crazy. We usually got

1100
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:19,479
Speaker 3: to dinner most nights after games anyway, so we didn't

1101
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:20,920
Speaker 3: do anything different. Well, out to dinner and then went

1102
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,640
Speaker 3: back home relaxed. But yeah, obviously, you know, phone was

1103
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: blowing up and it was pretty pretty heavily on social media.

1104
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 3: So I saw a lot of it. But I tried

1105
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 3: to set off my phone that night and just better

1106
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 3: with my friends. I was worth and and enjoy it

1107
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 3: with them.

1108
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 2: What about the reception from Australians. I imagine you're a

1109
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,360
Speaker 2: Melbourne boy, imagine a lot of your childhood mates and

1110
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 2: your makes back to Melbourne would have been pretty stoked

1111
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 2: with it.

1112
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were, as I said, I mean I had

1113
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: a lot of texts and with calls that night. But yeah,

1114
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 3: I spoke to my family. My mum's in Germany, my

1115
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 3: dad's back home, so they all saw it at different times.

1116
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 3: And then you know, friends obviously and things like that

1117
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,760
Speaker 3: back home, so I got got around to speaking to everybody.

1118
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,400
Speaker 3: But as I said, it was it went pretty pretty viral,

1119
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 3: So people obviously in Australia but all around the world

1120
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 3: swar it and you know, received a fair bit of attention.

1121
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: Was there anyone that reached out that surprised him?

1122
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 3: Uh, no, one, I don't know. I mean Jeremy Piven,

1123
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 3: who was like, I'm a huge Entoraage fan and that

1124
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: was obviously not the guy that I've loved and been

1125
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 3: a huge fan of, and he we got we met

1126
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 3: each other us under in the season because he's a

1127
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 3: Chicago guy, and he made a post about it. So

1128
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: that was someone pretty cool for me because I was

1129
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 3: drive my favorite show, watch it religiously and a massive

1130
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,360
Speaker 3: fan of him. So we've we've gotten close over the

1131
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: last couple of months, So that was someone that I

1132
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,959
Speaker 3: was pretty excited to see post that.

1133
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 2: That's pretty sick because I know in Entourage, obviously his

1134
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: character Ari Gold, he's a massive Lakers fan, so that

1135
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:43,479
Speaker 2: must have been.

1136
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 3: Be weird very Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean he's from Chicago.

1137
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 3: I'm assuming he's a Bulls fan in real life, but

1138
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 3: not on the show. He was cought out at Lakers games.

1139
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,640
Speaker 2: And when are we expecting to see you back in

1140
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 2: Australia head back to Melbourne anytime soon? I know that

1141
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: I think it's in the back end of this year.

1142
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 2: They were talking about potentially bring in an NBA game

1143
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 2: to Melbourne.

1144
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the Pelicans are going to be the

1145
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 3: team next pre season to come out there. So I

1146
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 3: would obviously love for it to be the Bulls. And

1147
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 3: I love every opportunity I get to play in front

1148
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 3: of my home fans in Australia, but unfortunately it's not

1149
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 3: us this time. But you know, it'd be great for Australians.

1150
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 3: I know how passionate they are about basketball and how

1151
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 3: much they love the NBA, so it'd be good for

1152
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 3: them to see a live game with you know, superstars

1153
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 3: in front of them in Australia. So, as I said,

1154
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 3: I wish it was the Bulls. I wish I could

1155
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: be out there, but you know, whatever NBA team ends

1156
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: up be there in the future that they're going to

1157
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 3: love and they're very excited to us just equally.

1158
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 2: And I know, and I know you're a few your

1159
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 2: mates with a few of the AFL boys back in Melbourne.

1160
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 2: Have you got it? Before I let you go, You've

1161
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 2: got a tip for who's going to win the camp

1162
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: this year.

1163
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 3: I mean, the Hawks looked good. The Hawks looked really good.

1164
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 3: But I think, well, hopefully Nick Dacos and Colin Will

1165
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 3: can get it done. But I watched every AFL game.

1166
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: I'm up at all hours of the night watching him.

1167
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 3: I love it. I'm a big super coach guy, so

1168
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 3: I'm very heavily invested in the AFL. But the Hawks

1169
00:53:59,400 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 3: look good.

1170
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:00,919
Speaker 2: A super coach team.

1171
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 3: A lot of guys, a lot of guys are in it.

1172
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 3: But you know, I spend and I spend time on

1173
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: research and I think it actually very seriously with a

1174
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 3: lot of friends. We're in the league together. So I'm

1175
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,840
Speaker 3: a big super coach and I watched a lot of AFL.

1176
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: Oh, good on you, Josh right Averron, let you guys,

1177
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 2: thanks for joining us all. Thank you.