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Speaker 1: This is the City in Her with Kate ki Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to a brand new episode of Educate. Welcome Lizzie,

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Speaker 2: Welcome Jess, Thank you Kate. I am so glad the

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Speaker 2: two of you are here today. I can't quite believe

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Speaker 2: that we have finally got to an Educate podcast episode

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Speaker 2: that is all about breaking down the brand new album

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Speaker 2: Tortured Poets Department by Taylor Swift, Like, how did we

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Speaker 2: get from the lead up to the concerts to her

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Speaker 2: gracing this lovely country of ours, to her announcing an

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Speaker 2: April nineteen release date and now it's here in all

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Speaker 2: its glory, not only one album but two.

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Speaker 1: I know, and didn't April nineteen seem so oh way

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Speaker 1: when she said it. It's been a long time coming, guys,

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Speaker 1: it has been a long time coming. And can I

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Speaker 1: take you guys back to last week? Kate was kind

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Speaker 1: enough to secretly film Lizzie and II trying to decode

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Speaker 1: some of the teaser video that Taylor posted. But I

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Speaker 1: would like to say that this little moment happened. Is

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Speaker 1: that saying it's a double album? This a lot? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So can I say big up to the girls? Well

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Speaker 1: one for the girl. This one is for the girls.

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Speaker 2: I know I was making fun of you, but I

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Speaker 2: have to say the hype around it, and the lead

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Speaker 2: up and the excitement and the dropping of I mean,

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Speaker 2: you guys were even talking about the fact that there

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Speaker 2: were AI versions of the song and is it is?

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Speaker 3: I mean, you people, you true swift daisies. You don't

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Speaker 3: fall for stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: But the internet was going wild with everything I know,

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Speaker 2: and I'm floating around it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you guys were, but we were

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Speaker 1: driving up to Tamworth listening to the album in the car,

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Speaker 1: which I wouldn't normally like to do. I like to

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Speaker 1: have a first listen in a dark with headphones on,

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Speaker 1: eyes closed.

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Speaker 3: But your mother, now that stuff goes out the window.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what it ended up? It ended up

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Speaker 1: being for me the Tortured Parents Department because by the

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Speaker 1: time the second album drops, so I heard the first one,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, I can't hear anything but road noise because

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Speaker 1: you're going one hundred km the freeway. Lizzie then text

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Speaker 1: and says, it's a double. It's a double A message

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Speaker 1: your back, what are you talking about? And then we

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Speaker 1: hit a dead spot of reception, so I can't even

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Speaker 1: load the songs until it's a double album, like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what to think. Pull over. We put two

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Speaker 1: songs on Harry ten months old, cracks it in the

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Speaker 1: back and we do about half an hour of his

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Speaker 1: happy song image and heap on replace. So yeah, having

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Speaker 1: to having to know that there was new tailor in

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Speaker 1: the out in the universe and not be able to

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Speaker 1: listen to it straight away was very heartbreaking for me.

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Speaker 3: And where did you listen, Lizzie?

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Speaker 1: I was actually here in the studio with Jermaine, who's

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Speaker 1: the social producer for the Drive Show, because he was

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Speaker 1: wanting to have you know, a residence Swifty getting a

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Speaker 1: live reaction.

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Speaker 3: Are they stealing?

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Speaker 1: You're keep in mind you are contracted to etch a

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Speaker 1: cat until we say otherwise. But it was, which is

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Speaker 1: new for me because I'm like you, I'm usually alone

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Speaker 1: all that kind of thing. So it was actually I

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Speaker 1: actually was really flustered because I listened he played us

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Speaker 1: the first two songs and then I was say, well,

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Speaker 1: now I have to go like it's dropped, but I

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Speaker 1: to it like on the bus in my tiny headphones.

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Speaker 1: Like I was panicked and I was flustered. It has

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Speaker 2: I think there were everyone had this perfect idea of

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Speaker 2: how they were going to do it. I know for me,

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Speaker 2: I had traveled away for the weekend with my daughter

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Speaker 2: down to Phillip Island. We'd been at fussing about but

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Speaker 2: by two o'clock to have a listen. We all at

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Speaker 2: time not even a proper lunch. We just like bought

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Speaker 2: and in fact she was even allowed a classic can

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Speaker 2: of coke like it's amaze drop an album every day,

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Speaker 2: which I do like a sneaky one every now and

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Speaker 2: but she pulled the pin on it. We I think

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Speaker 3: I said, how it's pretty grat isn't. I thought maybe

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Speaker 2: Serious, and she parented me and basically said that it

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Speaker 2: was it wasn't appropriate, and it was making her feel

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Speaker 2: really sad. I mean, you know, Fortnite has a few

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Speaker 2: lyrics about wanting to kill her, and so I think

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Speaker 2: we'll be going back to maybe the Red album.

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Speaker 1: And additionally in nine she doesn't yet she's not just.

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Speaker 2: Singing the lyrics, she's actually thinking about them. So I

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Speaker 2: think that I haven't made my way through it in

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Speaker 2: its entirety. So I'm keen to listen today, but I

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Speaker 2: will have to enjoy it on my own. And it's

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Speaker 2: great that she doesn't want to listen to things well

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Speaker 2: probably aren't for her.

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Speaker 1: That's actually parenting done right. Thank you for saying that,

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Speaker 1: because I told Jess something this morning that she her

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Speaker 1: mouth fell open. I haven't listened.

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Speaker 3: To it in its entirety either, and I just told

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Speaker 1: Guys talk about you behind your back. It's not It's

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Speaker 1: not like me as a swifty at all. But honestly,

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Speaker 1: I relate to me because I got to a point

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Speaker 1: where I went, this is actually just a bit much

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Speaker 1: for me today. We don't have to put this in

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Speaker 1: the podcast, but my grandma died in between the album

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Speaker 1: drop one, and.

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Speaker 3: Oh I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: And so I was like, Okay, how much sad do

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Speaker 3: I had?

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Speaker 1: Literally I don't. I didn't have it in me to continue.

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Speaker 1: But before you know, my grandma kicked the bucket. I

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Speaker 3: I'm not upset about it. No, no, no, I know.

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Speaker 3: But regardles, it was a heavy day.

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Speaker 1: It was a lot, and honestly, I have ADHD. I couldn't.

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Speaker 1: shout out to the Swifties who are also having to

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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean you're lesson fans exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I just want to be the voice for those

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Speaker 1: and listen to it. The music, like, the production is beautiful,

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Speaker 1: especially in the sort of second half of the album

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Speaker 1: or the you know, the second bit that dropped so nice.

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Speaker 1: There's so many connections. You can hear other songs in there,

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Speaker 1: like I think one of the songs Chloe Sam Marcus

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Speaker 1: every one that is is like again the start of

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Speaker 1: Champagne Problems. You can play the end of Champagne Problems

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Speaker 1: and the start of that and it's the same piano

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Speaker 1: sort of riff, So have a listened to that. There's

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Speaker 1: No, you don't really worth putting headphones on and having

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Speaker 1: is this second bit that's much boring? No, with headphones,

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Speaker 1: it's phenomenal. Taylor, I apologized for any pizza in the

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Speaker 3: Back to it. I don't think you need to do that.

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Speaker 2: I thought we were going to reflect on our on

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Speaker 2: some predictions that we made. But if two of us

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Speaker 2: how are we going to do it?

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Speaker 1: Well, that doesn't matter, because what I've done is, so

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Speaker 1: last week we spent about half an hour recording. We

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Speaker 1: How good a swift y are we to know that Taylor,

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Speaker 1: Lord and Savior might follow some similar avenues to some

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Speaker 1: So what I've done is I've got ten things that

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Speaker 3: I think I did a date check and everything we.

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Speaker 1: in which Okay, So the first track was Fortnite. Kate

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Speaker 2: It's referring to like a moment in time. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking like big love story. I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's particularly pacy this song, but it's

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Speaker 2: like there's a snapshot of something that happened that was amazing,

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Speaker 1: amazing that happened and then was left. Let's have a

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Speaker 3: Is that a win?

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Speaker 1: Let's wait for the time. Well done, one hundred.

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Speaker 2: And and incredibly so many references and that song in

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Speaker 2: particular about mister Matt Heally.

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Speaker 1: A lot of Muddy Heally on the album, didn't Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we did not see that. I can't see that one coming.

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Speaker 2: I think we've said mister Allen was probably shaken in

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Speaker 2: his boots in the end, was quite happy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah with Kate which podcast? Okay, now all right, we

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Speaker 1: stayed on Fortnite and I gave a few little lyric references.

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Speaker 1: I just want you to hear what I say towards

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Speaker 1: the end here and then I'll play some audio. Okay,

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Speaker 1: hooked up? Knew it wasn't right, Be fine, He'll be

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Speaker 1: gone in a Fortnite that's fun.

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Speaker 3: That makes it more fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like flame in and out of these Yeah, Florida

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Speaker 1: or wherever? Yees, you're in and out of here? Yes,

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Speaker 1: all right, so we noted the Florida mentioned have a

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Speaker 1: little listen to Fortnite. We're counting that as a win.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, because it's kind of I mean, I may

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Speaker 1: Well, almost too specific, I think. And I know there's

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Speaker 1: that one, you know, but it might be in that point.

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Speaker 1: What on earth happened in Florida?

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Speaker 2: Do you think like the travel the booking travel bookings

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really sad, right when I thought i'd had

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what, we're just being down on the

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: It is I'm the real winner because I've heard the

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Speaker 2: And you know what I will say is I saw

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Speaker 2: US saying Taylor Swift, thank you for making poetry cool.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for helping me encourage my students to put

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Speaker 2: pen to paper not only to write poetry, but as

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Speaker 2: an exercise to heal and move on and just be.

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Speaker 3: It's a nice thought one. I guess this is where I.

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Speaker 1: Always feel like her main power lies is that she

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Speaker 1: gives women, and especially young women, the opportunity that no

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Speaker 1: matter what you're feeling, it's valid and write it down

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Speaker 1: shed you like, do what you need to do to

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Speaker 1: get it out. It's healthy to do it, and your

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Speaker 1: voice matters because we're told so often, especially when you're

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Speaker 1: a teenager, that experiencing feelings of love or loss or

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Speaker 1: boys is all, you know, a bit silly, and it's not.

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Speaker 1: You know, no one's going to take it seriously, And

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Speaker 1: she every time makes people stand up and take it seriously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that there are highs and there are low

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Speaker 2: So one day you are singing loss of my life

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Speaker 2: and the next day you sing in twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's cool. I love They're my feelings. I'm

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Speaker 3: allowed to feel that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well well done. We'll obviously prep some more by

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Speaker 1: the time the next album comes out, we'll see how

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Speaker 1: we do. We'll be back next week, because let's be

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Speaker 1: honest that that is only just the surface. More to

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Speaker 1: Umpah's Whippa with Kate Ritchie is a nov podcast shows

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Speaker 1: like this lad the Nova player via the app store

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Speaker 1: or Google Play.

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Speaker 3: The Nova player