WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 12 August 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:08.440 Lately, General Man, welcome the Late Debates. It's great to 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.880 have your company on the Late Debate James Macpherson with 0:00:10.920 --> 0:00:14.280 Liz Storer and Caleb Bond coming up. How to amuse 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:17.239 yourself on a long haul flight will show you the 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.120 new trend that's going viral on social media. If you've 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.840 got a flight overseas coming up, you'll want to know 0:00:23.000 --> 0:00:26.200 about it. Plus when we look at the papers, Scotland 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.880 to host the twenty twenty six Commonwealth Games, Victorians to 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.640 pay for it, and an interesting story in tomorrow's Australian 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:38.080 school teachers will use AI chatbots to set your child's 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:43.480 homework and assignments. What could possibly go wrong? But first, 0:00:43.520 --> 0:00:47.000 New South Wales alcohol laws could be loosened to allow 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:51.360 drinking in public places, such as in parks and on beaches. 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:55.400 Now currently alcohol can't be consumed on public footpaths or 0:00:55.440 --> 0:00:59.120 on roads, and local councils are able to declare alcohol 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:02.680 free zones in parks and beaches. But Upper House MP 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:06.640 John Ruddick has introduced a private members build to overturn 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.240 the bands, and New South Wales Premier Chris mins Well 0:01:10.600 --> 0:01:11.240 he likes the. 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:16.679 Idea generally on the side of believing there's just too 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:21.400 many rules and regulations, particularly when it comes to hospitality 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.319 or having fun in Sydney. There's too many places around Sydney, 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.280 not just in a CBD that close pretty close to 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:30.600 eight point thirty and there's a lot of people that 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:33.320 want to go out and spend money and drive the economy. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:37.679 Having an economy that fires after five pm during the 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:41.920 week is really important for cities like Sydney, and that 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.120 means that we've got to be open to cutting red tape. 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:47.840 The general discussion about the amount of restrictions that are 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:49.520 in place for people that want to open a bar, 0:01:49.800 --> 0:01:54.040 or serve food, or create some kind of excitement and 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.960 energy that people see in other international cities around the 0:01:56.960 --> 0:01:59.960 world would be really valuable and long overdue for Sydney. 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:03.360 I think most people would agree with the new South 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.320 Wales labor premiere that we need less rules. But it 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.320 does beg the question as long as labor are in power, 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:10.840 caleber who can afford alcohol? 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.280 That's quite a federally anyway. That is true because as 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.280 of August the first, the excise has gone up again 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:22.079 and by the way, the alcohol excise, like the tobacco excise, 0:02:22.160 --> 0:02:25.800 goes up every six months, and a bit like compound interest, 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.200 when you put money in the bank, it just gets 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.000 worse and worse and worse because it's tied to CPI, 0:02:31.600 --> 0:02:35.280 so it goes up, you know, whatever CPI is, every 0:02:35.440 --> 0:02:37.520 six months. And of course over the last couple of 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:40.840 years that's been really bad. You can barely get a 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:44.120 bottle of spirits for less than fifty bucks. These days. 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.560 You go and buy a bottle of bunderberg Rum and 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.000 sixty three percent of the cost of that is tax. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.840 It is outrageous how we are taxed in this country. 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:53.560 But good on. 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.680 Them has a very personal dereth. 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.840 Caleb has no idea. Every time we go out, you 0:02:59.840 --> 0:03:02.280 may pace you know about the cost. 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.480 That's because I'm getting you to make up for lost time, 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.320 because it was fifty odd years until you started drinking. 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:10.960 So you've got you got a lot of rounds, a 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:14.200 lot of rounds to make up for James. But good 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:16.720 on mens for getting behind the idea of pulling some 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.119 red tape out of the way, because, for heaven's sake, 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.120 if you can't have a beer on the beach, we 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.200 are not a serious country. If you can't go and 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.040 have a picnic in the park and enjoy a glass 0:03:28.040 --> 0:03:30.280 of wine with your plowman's lunch or whatever you're have 0:03:30.400 --> 0:03:35.000 in your ketca seriously, like it's hot. It is harming 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.280 no one, and New South Wales in particular, since they 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:42.120 introduced the lockout laws in Sydney's g what a decade 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:47.520 or so ago, totally destroyed the nightlife in Sydney. You 0:03:47.560 --> 0:03:50.480 can barely buy a bottle of wine after ten pm. 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:54.360 We meant to be a serious international city and it's 0:03:54.400 --> 0:03:57.280 illegal to have a drink on the beach or have 0:03:57.400 --> 0:04:00.800 a restaurant open to the late. But they did all 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:04.040 the damage they brought in the lockout laws killed King's Cross, 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:06.920 killed all the night. Like, oh well, we'll lift that now, 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:10.920 and let's just hope you can sort of gets where 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.080 we were, is it, Caleb, Let's not go to for 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.920 anyone anymore because it doesn't bloody exist anymore. But like, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.360 what's the problem with having a beer on the beach. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.920 If someone is causing a nuisance, they're going to cause 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:24.520 a nuisance, regardless of whether there is a ban on 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:27.920 having a drink on the beach anyway, deal with people 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:30.839 who are publicly drunk and carry on like lauts. You 0:04:30.880 --> 0:04:33.000 can find them in any pub or any license of 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.520 in you anywhere, and they should rightfully be dealt with. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:37.360 But what's wrong with having a beer on the beach 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:39.640 or at the park play on? I say, but. 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:44.000 That is something that falls into the jurisdiction of the councils. 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.800 Being a city councilor myself, I remember that. Well, So 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:50.919 unless he's talking about amending the legislation to take that 0:04:51.080 --> 0:04:54.760 power back off the councils, all this was was a 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:57.000 pile of hot air. I'm not really sure what we're 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:01.880 excited about. All he said is general discussion would be 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.160 really valuable. Mate. That the only line older than that 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.360 in politics is let there be live I mean, he's 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:12.920 not actually promised any action here. It is simply a yes, 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.479 this is something we should have a discussion about. So 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.040 I find it very hard to get excited when all 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:22.240 he's really done is prove that he's capable of stating 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:25.680 an observable fact. But what is he going to do 0:05:25.800 --> 0:05:29.400 about it? Sure, but at least you see the men's 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:34.080 government then amending the state legislation that gives that power 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:39.360 to the councils, because obviously counsels differ greatly in their makeups. 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.080 You've got the really beach rich ones, the park rich ones, 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.360 the ones that see a lot of tourists coming through. 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:52.600 They're more likely to be far more adverse to now 0:05:52.760 --> 0:05:55.640 allowing there to be because a lot of people have 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.800 big parties on the beach in those parts, et cetera, 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:02.359 and that is going to lend itself to public drunkend. 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.360 What's your view? Do you think it's a good idea. 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:07.200 I do think it's a good idea. I'm simply saying 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:10.240 I'm not excited about this little spiel that is given 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.719 today until it's backed up with action, because, like I say, 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:19.120 it's not very usual that the States slap the rests 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.360 of the councils and say, actually, we've changed our minds. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:26.480 His certain powers we're taking off you. They do leave 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:29.400 that to the councils, and in some ways that is 0:06:29.480 --> 0:06:32.760 good because, like I say, councils differ greatly in terms 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:37.720 of demographics and their kind of parkland areas. They're beaches, 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.159 some of them are inland. Wouldn't actually this wouldn't affect 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:44.560 them that much at all. It's the other councils who 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.280 will be quite typefisted about that and say, well, hang 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.359 on a minute. If you're going to say that where 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:55.039 to allow alcohol to flow freely in the parts and beaches, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:57.560 We're gonna need more cops on the beat. We're gonna 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:00.520 need I mean, it's one of those issues that has 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:05.400 significant extrapolations for other areas, and of course that then 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:08.320 falls on the state because policing is a state issue, 0:07:08.320 --> 0:07:11.040 not a council issue, and so it's just one of 0:07:11.040 --> 0:07:14.000 those pebbles that creates a lot more ripples than you 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.080 might think initially, rather than just saying, oh, yeah, it 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:19.920 would be good to see a lot more nightlife. Well, 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:23.120 as Caleb's pointed out, nightlife was killed off by the 0:07:23.120 --> 0:07:26.080 lockdown laws, and even though they were scrapped years ago, 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:30.280 a lot of people and a lot of people running, 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:34.680 whether it's their pubs or bars or clubs, still act 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:38.080 like those are in place. It's almost like most people 0:07:38.080 --> 0:07:41.480 in New South Wales don't know that they have been scrapped, 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.480 and so all the people who are bar owners and 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:50.560 the like just still do the same because people aren't 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:53.160 hanging around as late as they used to because it's 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.360 been years since they've thought that. That's even legal and 0:07:56.400 --> 0:07:57.320 I'm not going to get a drink. 0:07:57.720 --> 0:08:00.280 Let me play devil's advocate on this, right, So don't 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.760 buy the idea that we're an international city. You know 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:04.760 they do it in Europe, and who cares what they 0:08:04.800 --> 0:08:07.040 do in Europe. We're our own country. We do what 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.640 we want. So I dismissed that argument. What do you 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.560 say to families who say we like going to the beach. 0:08:12.720 --> 0:08:16.320 You take hot summers in Australia a bunch of young 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.640 people drinking all day. You're going to end up with 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:22.320 drunken LUTs who behave like idiots and make everybody's life miserable. 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:24.440 What's wrong with the status quo where if you want 0:08:24.440 --> 0:08:26.880 to drink, go to a pub where people are contained, 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.640 they're looked after by bar, attendance and so on and so. 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.360 Forth, responsible service of alcohol. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:33.880 Right. I want to be able to go to the 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:36.320 beach with my family and not have to worry about idiots. 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.439 When there will be idiots because summer beers, long days 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.120 on the beach, you'll end up with problems. 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.600 But there's idiots everywhere. I mean, I grew up, but we. 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:46.520 Don't have drunken idiots on the beach right now? But 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:47.520 we will if they do this. 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.560 But I know I don't think that's correct necessarily, because 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.079 if you want to be a drunken idiot on the beach, 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:54.720 you're probably already going to do it anyway. And I 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:56.760 grew up going to the beach as a kid and 0:08:56.800 --> 0:08:58.800 there was always an esky. I mean that I wasn't 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:00.640 having the beers as a kid, but there was always 0:09:00.679 --> 0:09:03.640 an eski full of beers and soft drinks for me, unfortunately, 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:05.920 but there was always an eski full of beers. That's 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.400 never been a problem. I've been to plenty of picnics 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.319 where alcohol has been consumed. And this is happening all 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:13.360 over the country right now. We're not probably not right 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.560 now ten o'clock at night, but you know it's happening 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:18.560 all over the country all the time without much problem. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:20.680 I mean, you don't really hear a great deal of 0:09:20.720 --> 0:09:23.320 issue about to hear about the mums down at the 0:09:23.360 --> 0:09:27.120 local park getting on the white wines causing lots of trouble, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.440 and the beach is full of drunken yobbos, like it's 0:09:30.480 --> 0:09:33.320 not a big issue. It happens in other parts of 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:35.280 the country. I don't see why it can't happen in 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.880 New South Wales as well. If someone is making a 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.440 dickhead of themselves, you call the cops and the cops 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:42.640 come and deal with them like any other situation. 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.080 But the reason it's not a big issue is because 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:45.200 you're not allowed to do it currently. 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:47.280 You're allowed to do it in other but you can 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:48.680 do it in other Australia. 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.720 Where they just do it surreptitiously. Yeah yeah, the flask, 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.680 or they'll put it in something that's unrecognizable. They're not 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.520 actually getting the bottles of wine out and pouring into 0:09:57.640 --> 0:10:01.360 like what's obviously champagne glasses, but they one hundred percent 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:04.000 still do it, but they do it in such a 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.560 responsible way that they're not kind of also, I think 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.400 people are trying to protect kids from that kind of 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.000 I'm going to the park with mom and dad, and 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:17.680 you know, five of the six families here are getting 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.760 on the plank. I mean that that's not something that 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:25.160 we do want advertised to kids, like everyone gather around 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.959 this is this is perfectly okay, and you can see 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:31.000 them all getting rowdy. I just think it would it 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:35.360 would be naive to say that legalizing that wouldn't lend 0:10:35.440 --> 0:10:39.960 itself and the other. The other way this argument falls 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.360 down is that MINS is saying, well, we want to 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.560 get business back up and running, et cetera, and so on. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.520 Those are two very different things. So it's not like 0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.520 people are buying less alcohol because they can't take it 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:53.840 to a park. It either means they'll go to a 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.400 pub or some other place to have alcohol, or they'll 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.880 buy it, take it home and have a backyard barbecue 0:10:59.880 --> 0:11:03.120 in instead. So the whole argument of oh well this 0:11:03.200 --> 0:11:07.120 will really fire the economy, no, people are getting their 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:08.520 booze one way or another. 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:11.440 In a cost of living crisis. The opportunity to be 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:13.679 able to have your picnic at the park with your 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:16.199 wine instead of being forced to go to the pub 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:18.400 where you have to spend you know, I mean ten 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:20.800 dollars of pint is pretty good these days, to be 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:23.720 perfectly honest. That's a good cost of living. Drive, go 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:25.840 and have fun in the park instead of having to 0:11:25.880 --> 0:11:26.400 go to the pub. 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:29.920 Tell you when you could. Though, during COVID, I still 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:34.240 remember these signs. In part there's this one right by 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:37.240 Circular Key. In fact, you're in Circular Kee and there's 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:41.119 this plot of grass and they'd done the crop circles. 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:43.800 Everyone's sitting in your crop circle. Oh my gosh, the 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:48.320 idiocy of this time. But the signs literally said you 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:52.679 can enjoy alcohol. You can't enjoy anything else. Everything's closed, 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:58.040 but hey, for this particular period of time, alcohol is 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.360 allowed to be consumed down here on. Everyone gather around, 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.520 just stay within new crop circles, and it's all fine. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.000 And I remember just thinking this has got to be 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.680 peak idiocy. All the gyms are closed, no one can 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:14.120 go to work, but you can drink in the park 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:15.960 like full slab. 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.000 God, God forbid your lart have a cigarette, though a 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.760 copper would come and make it. Put in that egg 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.199 as you'll have beeen someone. And it's funny you mention it, 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.520 because I remember I was living in Victoria when that 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:26.160 final long lockdown happened. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:27.720 You guys learned to drink in part. 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:31.440 Well. It was funny because someone organized online, like through 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.080 a community Facebook group, almost like a pub crawl because 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:37.760 you get takeaway alcohol, right, And so all the local 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:41.160 businesses were doing you know, cocktails and whatever so people 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.600 could have their one hours exercise a day. I think 0:12:43.600 --> 0:12:46.439 it was in Richmond, and they mapped out all the 0:12:46.440 --> 0:12:49.280 places doing takeaway alcohol and it was like a community 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.240 pub crawl to support the local businesses. And then Daniel 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.480 Andrews came out the next day and said that shit, 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:56.680 we cannot have that. That is not within the spirit 0:12:56.720 --> 0:13:00.320 of the rules, and then he banned public drinking. So 0:13:00.720 --> 0:13:03.760 my little bit of pushback on that was every day 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:05.959 when I walked home from work, I grabbed a beer 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.400 from the local bottle shop and drank that on the 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:12.199 way home with the mask down to oh my god, 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:17.199 breaking the rules. While we are on the craziness of bureaucracy, 0:13:17.280 --> 0:13:21.680 let's go to Victoria where nurses are having trouble with 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.560 a drug that was introduced last year, or was introduced 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:28.120 more freely last year, called naloxone. Now, basically what this 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.480 does if someone is having a drug overdose, particularly an 0:13:31.520 --> 0:13:35.199 opioid drug overdose, they could administer this drug. It's often 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.960 done by a nasal spray and it reverses the effects 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.480 of the overdose. Very effective, great drug to have available 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:46.520 to nurses, except if you're a paramedic or a nurse 0:13:46.640 --> 0:13:50.880 or a volunteer paramedic, etc. You have to call Triple 0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:55.000 zero to get permission to administer the drug in the 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.920 first place. Because if you don't do that and there's 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:00.760 some sort of adverse reaction to this person who is 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.000 already having a drug overdose, by the way, they could 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.240 then potentially sue you and you're not covered by the 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.199 indemnity scheme, which seems a bit ridiculous, and even more 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:13.520 ridiculous when you then find out that if you're just 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.199 an average joe on the street who manages to get 0:14:16.240 --> 0:14:19.160 his hands on some nlocks own, you can administer that 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:26.800 without calling Triple zero. But if you are a qualified medic, nurse, paramedic, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.960 you have to call for permission. And what is being 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.280 pointed out a year after this was introduced in Victoria 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.320 is that you know, the two minutes or so you 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:37.600 might be sitting on the phone to Triple zero waiting 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:41.440 to get permission could be the difference between life and death. 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.480 Richie Goonan is from Youth Projects. They do work on 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.000 the street in terms of medical stuff. He says two 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.640 minutes is an extremely long time when you've got someone 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.040 with a really shallow breathing lips going blue. He said 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.920 that such a delay could be the difference between receiving quote, 0:14:56.080 --> 0:14:59.360 a life saving drug in a timely fashion and death 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.640 or permanent at harm. The lock zowone is a safe 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.600 drug to use, with the side effects in the literature 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:10.000 being very rare. I mean, what a stupid situation where 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:13.200 you have something that could save someone's life and I 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.800 don't know because of bureaucracy and laws that simply have 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:20.160 not kept up with where things are at. If you 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.760 don't want to potentially lose your job for trying to 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.600 save someone's life, you have to make a phone call 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:30.200 and sit on hold and watch this person die. It's 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:31.160 just outrageous. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.080 This drug is so effective and so safe that they're 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:37.600 now putting it in vending machines around Melbourne so it 0:15:37.640 --> 0:15:40.280 can be accessed twenty four to seven by anyone. And 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:43.320 the biggest belief of the Victorian government that's spent so 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.280 much political capital and so much time on drug injecting 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:49.360 rooms because we want to look after people who are 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:51.960 using drugs and care for them in the event of 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:55.280 an overdose. Haven't soughted out something as simple as allowing 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:59.000 frontline workers to use this simple drug which has very 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:01.960 rare side effects in a matter of life and death. 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:05.640 Well, they're worried about indemnity and insurance schemes but when 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:09.240 you're in a life and death situation calling Triple zero 0:16:09.360 --> 0:16:13.760 and spending two minutes on hold, like Richie Coogan shared 0:16:13.760 --> 0:16:18.000 that one of his nurses had done. He runs youth projects, 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:21.400 so they do a lot of outreach and see people 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.400 having these kinds of experiences and they need to act 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:27.400 fast otherwise it's not going to be very effective. So, 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:32.480 according to Victoria's good Samaritan laws, a bystander like if 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.280 you or I had it on us, we could just 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:37.280 run up to this person inject them straight up. But 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.920 someone who actually is a nurse and knows far better 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:44.160 what they're doing has to call Triple zero and wait 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:47.480 for what. Can you imagine how that conversation would go. 0:16:47.640 --> 0:16:49.320 It'd just be someone at the end of the other 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:52.840 line going, I have someone here who looks like they're 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:58.320 experiencing a OD. I'm going to administer this drug and 0:16:58.960 --> 0:16:59.560 what else is. 0:16:59.560 --> 0:17:01.400 The Triple one person going to go for it for? 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:06.040 Like, yeah, okay, thanks for the indemnity insurance. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:06.600 Okay, bye. 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.720 But I think what this really opens up again is 0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:14.120 another conversation about how easy and safe do we want 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:19.119 to make drug taking. So Victoria already has this permanent 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:23.760 pill testing in place eighteen months trial, then they're just 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.440 going to have it permanently, so round the clock. If 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:28.879 you hasn't have an illicit substance and you want to 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.600 make sure that you're not going to die from taking it, 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:35.879 the state, we will pay for you to go and 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:41.560 make sure that, Okay, I can safely take this illegal drug. Now, 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:46.000 the state is introducing twenty four hour vending machines for 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:49.760 this meloxone. So in the event that you're a friend 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.360 does have an overdose because you're having a wild night, 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:56.480 someone just administer that quick fast and hopefully nothing bad 0:17:56.520 --> 0:18:00.239 will happen. How accessible do we want to make this 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:04.640 because we are creating a society now where there are 0:18:04.680 --> 0:18:08.080 no repercussions to taking illegal drugs. So why would I 0:18:08.160 --> 0:18:10.800 not buy them? Why would I not take them? Why 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:15.159 would my friends and I partying young, don't really know 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:19.800 any better, just experimenting, going to a music festival, whatever 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:23.600 the case may be. Why wouldn't we avail ourselves of 0:18:23.680 --> 0:18:27.919 these illicit substances that we know are a societal evil. 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.200 There's no doubt that's the way we're going in Victoria. 0:18:30.320 --> 0:18:34.399 In the Act, they've loosened drug laws to an incredible degree. 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.360 But I mean, you've got the ridiculous situation where if 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:43.560 Caleb overdoses on drugs and you're a qualified just for 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.080 the sake of the illustration, and we've got this effective medicine, 0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:49.840 right yeah, and you're a nurse and you say to me, James, 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.600 you treat him because I'm qualified to do it. You're 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.120 a coverin man Jo, I'm unqualified. Therefore I'm the only 0:18:56.160 --> 0:18:58.840 one that can treat you. That's a ridiculous situation. And 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.520 the other thing in this story is how could someone 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:05.560 spend two minutes on hold to triple O what that 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:11.280 call was about. But that biggest belief that puts. 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:12.040 You on hold. 0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.639 The triples we're paying for. The triple zero system in 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:19.520 Victoria has been in a bad way for a long time, 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:21.680 and there's more than thirty people. When I was the 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:24.480 Herald Son were doing stories about there's more than thirty 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:28.480 people whose deaths are directly connected to the fact that 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:31.720 they couldn't get through to someone on Triple zero. In time. 0:19:31.760 --> 0:19:33.800 I think there was even a point where the phone 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:37.880 just wouldn't ring because all the operators we were engaged, right, 0:19:38.040 --> 0:19:42.399 which is utterly ridiculous. But this is the stupidity of 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:45.920 government that they cannot get their ducks in a row 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:50.200 like you would think, Okay, we've introduced this life saving drug. 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:53.560 We're equipping ambulances and other workers with it so that 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:55.600 they have it on hand if they need it. But 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:57.199 by the way, we're going to put a hurdle in 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.640 the way so that you can't actually use it when 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:02.960 it is most effective. How with all the people who 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:05.400 are employed in the public service, we see these examples 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.359 time and time again, all the people employed in the 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.360 public service. How was there not someone who went, okay, yep, 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:14.640 we should probably amend this bit here so that this 0:20:14.760 --> 0:20:18.880 bit here works. We pay for this stuff and they 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:23.359 cannot do anything properly. Like what are we paying public 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:25.879 servants for? If you outsourced all of this stuff to 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:28.879 the private sector, it'll be done in five minutes flat. 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.160 But no to public service. I can't possibly. 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:35.000 The drug is free, but you don't even need a prescription. 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.800 You can get it out of a vending machine, or 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.480 you will very shortly be able to get it out 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.440 of a vending machine around the clock. And yeah, if 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.919 I'm a nurse, everyone can admit a through it, except 0:20:48.000 --> 0:20:52.080 if you're a trained professional. Then you're in trouble. You 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.760 have to think about insurance and called triple zero to 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.960 New South Wales now where there's a warning that Oxford 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:04.639 Street I'm losing its LGBTQ flavor now. I had to 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.320 read this in laugh today because I used to live 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:11.639 in Darlinghurst and trust me, nothing is getting rid of 0:21:11.680 --> 0:21:14.879 that flavor. When I first moved to Sydney and I 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:19.600 didn't know the Darlinghurst was basically the LGBTQ capital of 0:21:19.640 --> 0:21:24.120 the world, not just Australia, the world. The roads are rainbow, 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.440