1 00:00:01,600 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to Bounce Forward with me Tipple. 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 2: I'd like to acknowledge the traditional cust earnings of the 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:10,720 Speaker 2: land on which I'm recording this podcast, the warundry people 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 2: of the Pooler Nation. I pay my respect for elders, 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: puff and present. Ellie wrote into me, tip, please help. 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of conflicting views with BMI and BMR, 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 2: and honestly, when I look at my BMI scores, I 8 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: feel really downhearted. 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: What are they and how do you calculate them? 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 2: Is BMI a load of fuey because muscle weighs more 11 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: than fat and the fittest, strongest people can have a 12 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,480 Speaker 2: BMI saying they are overweight. 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Oh this is such a juicy question, Ellie. 14 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: And Yeah, in my opinion, I think the body mass index, 15 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 2: the B and I is kind of really archaic and 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: outdated now. But the B and I body mass index 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 2: and the BMR the basal metabolic rate, are two very 18 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 2: different metricks and they serve distinct purposes in health and 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: fitness assessments. But I just I just don't like the 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: BMI because when I was at my fittest, strongest, leanest, 21 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 2: biggest and in a strength way, I went and had 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: my BEMI done. I had all this fitness testing done 23 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: when I was becoming a gladiator, and medical tests and things, 24 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: and they did my BEM I and my be and 25 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: I was bad. And I couldn't believe it because I 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 2: was super lean and super fit and had a lot 27 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 2: of muscle on me. But I was one hundred and 28 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 2: sixty four centimeters And BMI is a simple calculation used 29 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 2: to assess whether a person has appropriate body weight for 30 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 2: their height. So if you're short and you've got a 31 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 2: lot of muscle mass, then it sometimes comes out as 32 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,560 Speaker 2: a poor rating. So it is a ratio of weight 33 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 2: to height. It's calculated by dividing a person's weight in 34 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,559 Speaker 2: kilgrams by the square of their height in meters, and look, 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,559 Speaker 2: it's a quick and easy way to screen for weight 36 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: categories that may lead to health problems. But it does 37 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 2: not directly measure body fat or overall health. And BMI 38 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 2: doesn't differentiate between muscle and fat mass, and so it 39 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 2: might inaccurately categorize athletes like it did when I was 40 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: a gladiator with a dense muscle mass as overweight or obese. 41 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 2: And similarly, it may not accurately reflect the health status 42 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 2: of someone who is older, like elderly people and those 43 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: with low muscle mass, which is also a little bit dangerous. 44 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 2: The BMR, the basal metabolic rate, is something completely different. 45 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: The BMI is a number of calories required to keep 46 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 2: your body functioning at rest okay, so it is the 47 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 2: amount of energy your body needs to perform basic life 48 00:02:54,320 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 2: sustaining functions like breathing, digestion, processing, nutrientslation, cell production, all 49 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: the basic things that we don't even think about. BMR 50 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: can be estimated through various equations, with the Harris Benedict 51 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: equation being one of the most commonly used. The equation 52 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 2: takes into account your age, your sex, your weight, and 53 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 2: height to estimate your calorice needs at rest. So understanding 54 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: your BMR can help really understand how many calories you 55 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 2: should consume in a day to lose weight and be 56 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 2: in a calorie deficit, or maintain weight or gain weight, 57 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 2: depending on overall activity levels and your goals. 58 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: Right. 59 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 2: So, BMR estimates can vary depending on the formula used 60 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 2: and individual differences in metabolism, which can be influenced also 61 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 2: by genetic factors, muscle mass, even hormonal variations, So the 62 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 2: key differences are what they measure. Bear and I measures 63 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: a relationship between weight and height to categorize overall body 64 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: weight status. BMR measures the energy expenditure at rest to 65 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 2: understand your caloric needs. They're both used in health assessments. 66 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 2: BMI is commonly used for general health screenings to quickly 67 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 2: identify potential weight related health risks, and BMR is used 68 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: specifically to guide dietary and fitness programs by estimating daily 69 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,559 Speaker 2: caloric needs based on a person's metabolism at rest. Right, 70 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 2: there's also the impact of muscle mass, so BMR is 71 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: affected by muscle mass. The more muscle mass lean muscle 72 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 2: mass that a person has, the more calories you will 73 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,119 Speaker 2: burn out rest, whereas BMI does not differentiate the type 74 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 2: of mass, so fat versus muscle no idea. So in summary, 75 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 2: I think BMI is straightforward measure that helps with weight 76 00:04:58,080 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 2: relative to height and can show up some potential risks, 77 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: say if you're obese. But BMA gives more of a 78 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: nuanced understanding of a person's metabolism, which is really important 79 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 2: and can guide those decisions about diet and exercise and 80 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 2: tailor that to your personal energy needs. They're completely different markers. 81 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 2: I would always use BMR when I'm advising on a 82 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 2: calorie deficit or maintenance for someone who comes to me. 83 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: I would never use the BMI. 84 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: I do think it's really archaic and I would just 85 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: steer clear of it. And if a doctor does your BMI, 86 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 2: I would just take it with pinch of salt. 87 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: Just yeah, wouldn't really worry about it at all. 88 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: So if you're looking for a health market to really 89 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 2: measure your goals and your fitness and how you're going, 90 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 2: then dexter scans are the best because what they're going 91 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: to do is measure. 92 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: Your fat mass, give you. 93 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 2: A fat body fat percentage. They're going to give you 94 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 2: a muscle mass percentage. They're going to measure your water retention, 95 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: see how much water retention you've got. And these numbers 96 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: are so specific and it's not expensive. You google it, 97 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: go into your local scanning place, they'll do a little 98 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 2: scan on you, talk to you about your health and 99 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 2: fitness goals, and then you go back in twelve weeks 100 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: and see those numbers decrease, increase because the goal is 101 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: to recomposition your body to bring down the body fat 102 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,559 Speaker 2: percentage to bring up the lean muscle mass to really 103 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 2: change the composition of your body, and dexter scans are 104 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: going to measure that, which is really important. It's great 105 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,400 Speaker 2: because it steers you away from standing on the scales 106 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: every day, which is never going to help us psychologically, mentally, emotionally. 107 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: And you've got to remember you have forever to find 108 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 2: your fitness. That's something I really learned in my prem 109 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 2: postnatal certification. You've got to do what works for you. 110 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:02,599 Speaker 2: And you know, if it is BMI, if it is 111 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 2: going to a trainer and getting your BMR and you know, 112 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,480 Speaker 2: working out exactly which calories you should be having and 113 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 2: you know, being very methodical about it. If that works 114 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: for you, that works for you. But I find, you know, 115 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: tracking my food and tracking every little thing that goes 116 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,119 Speaker 2: into my mouth a little bit, even triggering, I find 117 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: it just too much hard work. There's already such a 118 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 2: mental load being a mom and running a company and 119 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: doing all those things. If I had to track what 120 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 2: I was eating as well, it's just one level that 121 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 2: will probably tip me. So I find just going and 122 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 2: having a dexa scan every now and then to see 123 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 2: that I am putting on lean muscle mass and that 124 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: I am heading in the right direction really helps to 125 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 2: measure my progress. 126 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening to Bounce Forward. 127 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 2: I love having your company, So please DM me on 128 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: Instagram at tip Hole, Underscore Exo and let me know 129 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 2: what questions you'd love me to cover. Don't forget to 130 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 2: rate and review me on your podcast out Speak soon. 131 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: Happy Days,