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Speaker 1: This podcast Big News Today.

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Speaker 2: The headline read Desi shot and killed fits yeah this.

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Speaker 3: Police have confirmed a man had been shot at eight

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Speaker 3: thirty am at a property in northeast Victoria. This is

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Speaker 3: part of the seven month operation to locate Desi Freeman.

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Speaker 3: It is him and one man that's been following this case.

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Speaker 3: He's criminologist and also a former detective, is doctor Vincent Hurley.

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Speaker 1: He joins us now. Dr Vincent, thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for coming on.

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Speaker 4: Hi, crew.

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Speaker 1: How are we.

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Speaker 5: Pleasure to have you?

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Speaker 1: Just wanted to ask you. Doc.

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Speaker 3: Sources told The Herald's son not long ago that a

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Speaker 3: Filipino couple had been hiding Freeman at the property.

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Speaker 1: Is it highly likely that he's.

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Speaker 3: Been going around and having supporters look after him a

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Speaker 3: part of the seven months you think, Dr Vincent?

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Speaker 4: It could be other people along the way could have

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Speaker 4: helped him out, for sure, because for him to travel

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Speaker 4: several hundred kilometers over six months, someone would have to

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Speaker 4: be giving him food or shelter or water to be

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Speaker 4: able to sustain that duration of that time. So it

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Speaker 4: is possible. Interestingly, the press conference given by the Victorian

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Speaker 4: police were really careful in words they chose. The investigations

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Speaker 4: not closed. They never said the investigations closed door. They

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Speaker 4: again is reported on shooting, which indicates to me that

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Speaker 4: there is more investigations going on, which could well be

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Speaker 4: that people have been assistant right over the duration.

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Speaker 2: It was interesting, doctor vincident was around that area not

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Speaker 2: long ago. We were in Brighton and then we went

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Speaker 2: up to Mount Buffalo and we even had to be

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Speaker 2: at the Bonnie Dune Hotel there, and the conversation was

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Speaker 2: still on everyone's mind. You know, there were vikings at

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Speaker 2: the pub in Bonnie Dune talking about do you reckon.

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Speaker 1: Desi's still alive?

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Speaker 2: As a former detective following this case, did you think

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Speaker 2: he was alive or how did you read what.

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Speaker 1: Was going on?

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Speaker 4: There's a bit of a wow moment, to be honest,

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Speaker 4: I think he'd faded into the background of most things

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Speaker 4: in most of our lives because what's happening nationally and internationally,

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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden to find out that he'd

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Speaker 4: been shot by police as a bit of a wow,

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Speaker 4: a bit of a surreal moment. I thought there was

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Speaker 4: a reasonable chance he was dead given the duration. Sure,

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Speaker 4: for the length of time he's been out there, but

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Speaker 4: I mean the mind is a powerful thing. You get

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Speaker 4: people that you know walk hundreds to kilometers for charity

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Speaker 4: and things like that. And given his political ideology of

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Speaker 4: being a sovereign citizen, people have wanted to make a

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Speaker 4: point proven to the police that he could given the

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Speaker 4: middle finger by out sustaining them or outrunning them, which

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Speaker 4: he did for quite some time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Is there a craziest conspiracy theory that you have heard

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Speaker 5: over the past seven months or a scenario that has

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Speaker 5: been floating around?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the most common one is that he's got a

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Speaker 4: passport and he's gone to another country, which is implausible

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Speaker 4: because he was there at the time of the shooting.

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Speaker 4: He immediately went into the bush. He had no time

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Speaker 4: to go and get a passport even if he's got one,

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Speaker 4: and every passport and every outlet or every terminal or

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Speaker 4: every airport in Australia would have a passport alert out

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Speaker 4: for him. Is easy recognizable, his names being plasted, his

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Speaker 4: photo has been plasted all over Australia. So I think

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Speaker 4: that you know that that conspiracy theory that he'd gone

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Speaker 4: overseas it was never a plausible one in the first place.

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Speaker 5: And people love a big Hollywood kind of storyline though,

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Speaker 5: don't they Doctor Vinton I was.

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Speaker 2: Trying to work out too. I mean, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: if you're across or if the detail has been released

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Speaker 2: about the so called ambush which followed in a three

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Speaker 2: hour standoff, But do you know how long the police

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Speaker 2: had suspected that Desi might have been in this shipping

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Speaker 2: container on the property.

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Speaker 4: The police would not have rushed in as soon as

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Speaker 4: they had found him. And the reason I say that

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Speaker 4: is because they would want to know if anyone was

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Speaker 4: with him, if anyone had been visiting to assist him,

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Speaker 4: and they wanted to work out his daily habit and routine.

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Speaker 4: That would have taken all that information, and then they

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Speaker 4: would have worked out a number of different scenarios or

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Speaker 4: plans as to how best tour resting, So they would

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Speaker 4: not They might have had him under surveillan typathetic two

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Speaker 4: or three days without him even knowing, And the police

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Speaker 4: may have even gone to the extent of actually practicing,

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Speaker 4: whether it be in Melbourne or somewhere else, that actual

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Speaker 4: arrest around a container, a physical container of that description.

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Speaker 2: It's a fascinating story, isn't it. I Mean, everyone wondered

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Speaker 2: and there's so many theories around, and you're right. I

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Speaker 2: think one of the most important things to find out

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Speaker 2: is that they've said it's an ongoing investigation, meaning they

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Speaker 2: do have other leads and more detail with other people.

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Speaker 3: And also, you know, he wasn't going to give himself up,

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Speaker 3: was he, Doctor Vincity is always going to put up

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Speaker 3: a fight.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that goes back into political ideology to stick

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Speaker 4: their finger up at the state or at the police.

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Speaker 4: It was never going to end well, well.

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Speaker 2: Thank god, no more innocent lives were taken.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Doctor Vincent hurly criminologists and also a former detective.

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Speaker 1: We really appreciate your time. Thanks for coming on the show.

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Speaker 4: Pleasure any time. Gang, have a great afternoon.

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