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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday, March fourteen, twenty twenty five. Power bills will

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Speaker 1: rise by up to nine percent for households in the

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Speaker 1: coming year, well over one thousand dollars, despite the Albanese

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Speaker 1: government's promises to bring bills down. That's kicked off a

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Speaker 1: pre election wave of finger pointing, with Energy Minister Chris

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Speaker 1: Bowen blaming old coal fired power stations for being unreliable

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Speaker 1: and expensive, and Opposition leader Peter Dutton demanding Bowen be sacked.

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Speaker 1: Australia could ramp up production of critical minerals and sell

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Speaker 1: them to the United States in return for an exemption

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Speaker 1: from crushing tariffs. That's a plan put to the Americans

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Speaker 1: by Ambassador Kevin Rudd. It's an exclusive live now at

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Speaker 1: The Australian dot com dot AU. Celebrity chef Matt Moran

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Speaker 1: bought a pub in a tiny New South Wales country town,

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Speaker 1: a purchase he says, kind of made him the town's mayor,

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Speaker 1: but there were some seriously hostile locals who took a

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Speaker 1: lot of convincing. Matt Moran will join me as well

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Speaker 1: as all the power players in Australia's food industry at

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Speaker 1: the Global Food Forum in Melbourne Today, we're looking at

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Speaker 1: what will be growing and eating by twenty fifty as

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Speaker 1: the agribusiness sector watches Donald Trump's every move with trepidation.

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Speaker 1: That's today's episode. About a thirty minute drive south of

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Speaker 1: Bathurst in the New South Wales Central Tablelands lies the

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Speaker 1: tiny village of Rockley. It's like a time capsule. Ornate

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Speaker 1: nineteenth century architecture dots the town and one store even

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Speaker 1: provides a place to tie up your horse. On the

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Speaker 1: main drag. There's a post office, a police station, a

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Speaker 1: couple of churches and a pub. But this isn't just

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Speaker 1: any country pub in Rockley. There's something special on the menu.

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Speaker 2: Rockley Pub will reopen its doors under new management. Celebrity

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Speaker 2: chef and restauranteur Matt Moran is the force behind some

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Speaker 2: of Australia's most celebrated dining establishments, but his latest venture

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Speaker 2: is close to home.

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Speaker 1: Matt, tell me, how did you come to be opening

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Speaker 1: a tiny pub in a tiny town in the middle

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Speaker 1: of the New South Wales Central Tablelands.

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Speaker 3: Look, once you become the public, and there you become

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Speaker 3: mayor and everything else.

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Speaker 4: That's quite funny.

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Speaker 3: Actually, there's a lot of history with that town with

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Speaker 3: my family which I didn't know. Basically, my great grandfather

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Speaker 3: ended up there at a farm there for about ninety years,

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Speaker 3: met my great grandmother in Rockley. Actually got married in

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Speaker 3: the church behind the pub in eighteen eighty three. Strangely enough,

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Speaker 3: we moved off the farm long story, ended up in the.

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Speaker 4: Western suburbs, decided to be a cook.

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Speaker 3: Dad ended up buying a small little farm when he

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Speaker 3: got the chance in Traga. We ended up in Rockley again,

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Speaker 3: a big place. I invested in it. My dad's little

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Speaker 3: spending a bit more time in COVID thought to myself,

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Speaker 3: if I'm going to spend more time at the farm,

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Speaker 3: will I get bored? Just me kind of help myself.

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Speaker 3: Wanted to buy the Rockley Pub. Wasn't really for sale,

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Speaker 3: but I knew that it wasn't doing great, and it's

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Speaker 3: the heart of the town, and the pub goes in

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Speaker 3: small towns, the town goes. And it was just a

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Speaker 3: little purchased in the beginning, I thought, and then ended

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Speaker 3: up expanding to a couple of blocks around it, and

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Speaker 3: big plans to transform it and make it a destination,

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Speaker 3: to keep that pub feel, which I think is really

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Speaker 3: important for the locals. Love the locals. A lot of

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Speaker 3: them work there. We employ about sixteen people locally. They

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Speaker 3: didn't like me when I first got there. Perception is

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Speaker 3: very different to the real person. And I have a

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Speaker 3: great relationship with the town and the people, and the

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Speaker 3: farm's only seven minutes away, which is one of the

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Speaker 3: things I love in life.

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Speaker 4: It's my happy place. I think.

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Speaker 1: Matt Moran isn't just a celebrity. He's one of our

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Speaker 1: most powerful and influential figures in food. He owns Aria,

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Speaker 1: Chiswick and chop House in Sydney, River Bar and Kitchen

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Speaker 1: in Brisbane, Compa in Canberra, and plenty of other fine

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Speaker 1: dining restaurants. He's also hugely influential throughout the food sector.

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Speaker 1: He's a farmer himself and a passionate advocate for reducing

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Speaker 1: waste and growing Australian's knowledge and confidence about food AND's

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Speaker 1: it coming from. Although you came from there originally in

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Speaker 1: the most immediate past, you've come from in their perception,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure the Sydney fine dining scene What did they

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Speaker 1: think about you? Why didn't they like you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they just thought that I was this celebrity,

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Speaker 3: I got heckled the first night. A lady turned it

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Speaker 3: me six months down and pulled me aside, and I

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Speaker 3: really love what you've done with the pub. Look, it's

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Speaker 3: just about being part of that community and obviously having

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Speaker 3: there for twenty two years. Not that I'm a local.

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Speaker 3: I've never said that. Someone in the media wrote that

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Speaker 3: I was a local and the town didn't like that

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Speaker 3: because you don't live here, but hey, I didn't write it.

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Speaker 4: So it's about perception and connecting with them.

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Speaker 3: And it's a business and it has to perform, but

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Speaker 3: at the same time, there's a bit of love. As

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Speaker 3: a business, it's not just about making money in it

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Speaker 3: be for the locals, and eventually I will do something

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Speaker 3: a little bit more with accommodation and make it a

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Speaker 1: One of the things you've already got on the menu

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Speaker 1: is the Moran family farm sausage with garlic mash and peas.

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Speaker 1: And the clientele for this pub food, some of them,

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Speaker 1: the locals, They actually know how the sausage gets made,

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Speaker 1: Does that make a difference to the way they perceive

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Speaker 3: Look, you often get asked that question, why does it

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Speaker 3: cost that much? And you try to explain the economics

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Speaker 3: of running a business, But you are right. My farm

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Speaker 3: manager he makes sausages all the time. There's the odd

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Speaker 3: bore and grow up the little one, and that's where

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Speaker 3: the fat comes from. Only recently he made me a

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Speaker 3: heap of sausage. I love my farm farm manager. He's

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Speaker 3: for me the farm is incredible.

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Speaker 4: But he could have a couple of lessons in sausage making.

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Speaker 4: It's a bit dry, Brandon, Hopefully you.

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Speaker 3: Won't be listening to this, but here's a go which

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Speaker 1: That idea of paddock to plate. It's a very short

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Speaker 3: Oh, look, I don't necessarily think I think that I

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Speaker 4: Basically. You know, I've always said that I would.

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Speaker 3: for that incredible reducer that gives me the product to use.

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Speaker 3: And I think that goes for every chef in Australia.

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Speaker 3: We can only thank that the people that we get

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Speaker 3: the produce off. As for the food at the Rocky

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Speaker 3: really good, hearty food that is desirable and it's always.

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Speaker 4: Got to be generous.

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Speaker 3: You've got to be generous in a country pub, So

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Speaker 3: the portions might be a little bit bigger, and you've

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Speaker 4: It's very touchy.

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Speaker 1: Spending the past couple of decades as a farmer yourself

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Speaker 4: One hundred percent clear.

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Speaker 3: That is something that it's been in my head since

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Speaker 3: I remember when we got back into Rockley twenty two

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Speaker 3: And it's very easy to see the market fluctuates so much,

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Speaker 3: But also back in the day when I made Paddic

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Speaker 4: All these producers and then cooking their wares.

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Speaker 3: But it really was to showcase the Australian farmer and

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Speaker 1: Coming up what Matt Moran makes of fake meat, dairy

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Speaker 1: swaps and food waste. You can see Matt and all

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Speaker 1: the food industries movers and shakers online at the Australian

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Speaker 1: dot com dot au all day Friday as we live

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Speaker 1: stream the Global Food Forum. We'll be back with Matt

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Speaker 1: after the break. Matt, A couple of years ago, everybody

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Speaker 1: was talking about meat alternatives, fake meat, plant beest meat,

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Speaker 1: wildly popular, especially on Wall Street. Sausages, burgers, chicken nuggets

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Speaker 1: and schnitzels. You may think you know what they're made of,

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Speaker 1: but with the rise of fake meat, do you really

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Speaker 1: know what you're eating? We put them to the test.

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Speaker 6: Australian so tip to spend three billion dollars on plant

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Speaker 6: based meat within a decade. The industry is booming, with

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Speaker 6: a third of the population now making a conscious effort

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Speaker 6: to reduce their consumption of animal products.

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Speaker 1: What was your take on it then, and what's happened

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Speaker 1: to fake meat?

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Speaker 4: I did a little bit of research.

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Speaker 3: Strangely enough, one of them actually came to me and

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Speaker 3: asked me to be an ambassador.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, do you really know my story?

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Speaker 3: And when I investigated some of it, and I'm not

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Speaker 3: saying all of it is this, but when you look

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Speaker 3: The rate that we're going with the dairy farms from

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Speaker 1: One of the things I think most Australians know that

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Speaker 4: The things that are extraordinary.

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Speaker 5: Research says we think we waste about two kilos of

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Speaker 3: But it's just extraordinary how much food people just throw

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Speaker 1: What's one that really satisfies you when you find a

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm starving already. Matt Moran will be

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Speaker 1: in conversation with me at the Global Food Forum and

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Speaker 1: you can check it out at the Australian dot com

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Speaker 1: dot au. Matt, thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Claire Pleasure