1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: I get a team. It's Jumbo, it's Fatty Harps, It's 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: Tiffany and Cook. The box of the pugilistic thug, the 3 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: one of the rapidly expanding profile. I was going to 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: say ego, but I went profile. She's just a quite 5 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: achieve it, just chipping away, just posting thirty photos of 6 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: herself a day, just chipping away quietly in the back. Well, 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 1: It's true. If I was in the shape you're in, 8 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I'd post like a motherfucker as well. I only post 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,360 Speaker 1: buttos of me in a dressing gown now and in 10 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: a kubra. 11 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: Juicing gown and in a kubra. 12 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: That's there's a picture. Nobody needs. 13 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 2: Hi tip, My heart's reporting in for Judy. How are you? 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? Look never better? Never better. I'm I've got a 15 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,199 Speaker 1: busy week. It's two eight Tuesday. Lots of work on 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: this week, bit of interstate travel, bit of talking to 17 00:00:56,200 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: humans about the human experience, and I wanted to talk today, 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: though this won't be super long. I put up a 19 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: post this morning which a few people have sent me. 20 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: I've got quite a few comments on and a few 21 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: people sent me messages about and I'm just fascinated with this, 22 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 1: and some people will think, well, you're fascinated with this 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: topic because you are old, And while that is true 24 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: that I am old, that is not the reason I'm 25 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: fascinated with it. I'm fascinated with this topic because I 26 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: think it plays a it's going to say massive, Well, 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: let's just go with significant role in the way that 28 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: we age, the quality of our lifespan and health span, 29 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: and some of the interesting good and bad conversations that 30 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 1: had around the way that we age. And so this 31 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: is probably going to be called something like the Psychology 32 00:01:55,760 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: of aging this podcast. But so here's what he's what 33 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: I writ Here's what I writ and this is on Instagram, 34 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: Facebook and all that if you want to find it 35 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: and you want to refer to it or showbody or 36 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: show somebody it because it's broadly relevant the psychologist. So 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: this is the whiteboard post part the Psychology of aging. 38 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: There's what you're actually capable of doing, creating, learning, and becoming, 39 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: and then there's the story of what you should at 40 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: and shouldn't be doing at your age. One is an 41 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: ocean of possibilities, one a self created prison, and here's 42 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: the words around it. Of course, we need to navigate 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: the inevitability of chronological aging. But the way that you 44 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: and I age mentally, emotionally, and physically is a variable 45 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: that we can manipulate via our choices, behaviors and atypical thinking. 46 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: Eat well, move well, set goals, learn new things, have 47 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: new experiences. Have a bigger purpose than you laugh at 48 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: silly shit. Can control your controllables, do everything, and I 49 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: mean everything in your capacity to optimize your potential for long, 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: healthy and happy life. And before anyone asks. While we 51 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: can't change our genetics that is the DNA sequence of 52 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 1: our genes, we can influence genetic expression through various factors 53 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: such as lifestyle, environment, diet, attitude, and behavior. These changes 54 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: in gene expression can impact various aspects of our health, 55 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: including a imne function, energy levels, health span over a 56 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: longevity and more So, there's the practical reality of aging, 57 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: which is like chronological inevitability, a chronological constant. That is, tomorrow, 58 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: I'm going to be sixty years and two hundred and 59 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: thirty seven, not two hundred and thirty six days, and 60 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: the next day two hundred and thirty eight days or 61 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: whatever the number is for me, and that number is 62 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: never going down. The only thing that will happen is 63 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 1: we'll stop going forward one day when I when I 64 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: fucking bite the bullet, no pun intended, Sorry Donald, when 65 00:04:06,080 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: I die, let's just go with that. But for the moment, 66 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: hopefully in my day numbers, my chronology keeps kind of 67 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: moving in that forward direction, and I keep getting chronologically 68 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 1: chronologically older. But the way that we age, and the 69 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: way that we talk about aging, and the way that 70 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: we think about aging, and the way that we limit 71 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: ourselves and others by virtue of the stories that we 72 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: tell ourselves about what is normal in inverted commas, what 73 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: is you know at your age? What is one of 74 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: my least favorite terms in the world. Is age appropriate 75 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: If you're talking about very young people, perhaps, But if 76 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: you're talking about old people, to me, age appropriate is 77 00:04:54,600 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: just another way of saying self limiting, or you know, 78 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: it's some kind of barrier. Now. Of course, there is 79 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: the practical reality that as we get older, of course, 80 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 1: there are physiological limitations. But the rate at which those 81 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 1: limitations come into existence, or the way they do, is 82 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: to an extent, as I said in my whiteboard post, controllable, 83 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: So I remember, and I'll shut up after this tiff 84 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: and then you can jump in. But I remember when 85 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,719 Speaker 1: I started my PhD, there was more than a couple 86 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: of people who said to me, because I started my 87 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: PhD fifty six, how long will it take? I said, 88 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, four or five six, I don't know 89 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: however long it takes maybe five years, which looks like 90 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: it's going to be around five years. And a bunch 91 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 1: of people said to me, when I say, a bunch 92 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: somewhere between five and ten, people said, oh, so you're 93 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: going to be like sixty one when you finish, and 94 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: I went, yes, yes I will. And I said, but 95 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: here's the thing. I'm going to be sixty one anyway. 96 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: Like let's hope I make it, but let's assume that 97 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: I'm still alive in five years. Then I'm going to 98 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: be sixty one with a PhD or sixty one without 99 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: a PhD. So if that's my choice, I'm choosing the PhD. 100 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: Thanks very much, you know. But if I was starting 101 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,640 Speaker 1: that PhD at twenty six, nobody would talk about my age, 102 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: or thirty six, nobody would talk about my age. Nobody 103 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: would go, oh, hang on right, And if for example, 104 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: I had some significant I mean with this with respects, 105 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: say intellectual disability or some extreme limiting factor that meant 106 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 1: it was very, very, very difficult or almost impossible for 107 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: me to then I would understand that. But most people's 108 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: curiosity was just around. But you'll be so old, you know, 109 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: and that, and I understand that, by the way. I'm 110 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: not one bit offended by that at all. What I 111 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: am is I'm curious. I'm curious that we have these stories. 112 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: I know I said it shut up, but I will 113 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: I'm curious that we have I'm very aware of that 114 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: because I'm doing it. P Hdan awareness, did you know? 115 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: But I'm very cognizant that we all have these stories. 116 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying there that I don't understand them. 117 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm just leaning into it and saying are these stories 118 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: helpful or hurtful? Like when we go, oh, well, you're 119 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 1: this age, therefore you probably should be thinking about these things. 120 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: I looked at a guy this morning, Tiff, and he 121 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: came through on my feed on Insta, and he's eighty 122 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: three and he bench presses three hundred and sixty pounds, 123 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: which is about what one hundred and seventy or seventy 124 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: five k's. But my dad so he's two years younger 125 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: than my dad. Yeah, and he's a fucking mom and 126 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: he's just this big, strong Now, a lot of people 127 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 1: would think, oh, that's that's too much like the dude. 128 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: I looked at the dude. You know, I don't have 129 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: a crystal ball. But while he's eighty three and he's 130 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: doing it right. So he's outlived the average Australian male 131 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: by three years already, So very strong, very functional and 132 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: not following the script, you know, and I just think 133 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: that it's really I mean, you're still young. But as 134 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: we spoke the other day, we're talking about, you know, 135 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 1: between now and death. You and I did a podcast, 136 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 1: but just the stories that we tell ourselves, and you know, 137 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: we don't want to be unrealistic and we don't want 138 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: to be reckless. But at the same time, from an 139 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 1: experiential perspective, like how we age, is one really up 140 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: to us to a point, like we can manipulate food 141 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: and exercise and attitude and sleep and to an extent, 142 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: stress and cortisol and all of those things. We can 143 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: at least work on those things. Lifestyle behaviors, habits, you know, situation, circumstance, environments, 144 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: work life balance, a work life relationship. All of those 145 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 1: things we can at least influence, if not completely control. 146 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: All right, I'll be quiet now. 147 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 3: The thing that's more powerful than the things we're controlling, though, 148 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 3: is the story that we develop behind the control. So 149 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: when people talk about someone who's young and fit and 150 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 3: they just they collapsed and had a heart attack and 151 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: their life and they were only whatever, and they ran 152 00:09:39,320 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: marathons and they were they never ate junk and they 153 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 3: never drank, and we list all of these these material 154 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 3: reasons why they're fit and healthy, but we don't think 155 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 3: about what's driving them to run every day while you know, 156 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 3: how much are they stressing and obsessing over all of 157 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:01,719 Speaker 3: those other things to control their health outcome and what 158 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 3: what neurochemistry is getting pumped into their mind as they're 159 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 3: stressed about it. 160 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:10,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, and also one hundred percent like the external appearance 161 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: of fitness and function doesn't always accurately reflect the underlying stuff, 162 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 1: which is what you're kind of saying. And you know, 163 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: when we just extrapolate all that psychology across the lifespan. 164 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: And I've told this story of probably three times, but 165 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: I'll tell it once again quickly. I remember backing out 166 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: of my driveway which is onto a main street, and 167 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: I can't see and I nearly, very nearly backed into 168 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: a bloke on a skateboard. Do you remember that, right? 169 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? 170 00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,079 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I felt terrible and anyway, it was fine. 171 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: It was a near miss. He stopped, he picked up 172 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:45,719 Speaker 1: his skateboard. I got out and I went round and 173 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: say sorry, I nearly killed you. And to my complete 174 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 1: fucking surprise, I was about fifty then, so ten years ago, 175 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: and he was in his sixties, and he was fucking 176 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: scorching along the footpath like a Tino, and I was 177 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: fascinated with him, and you know, I just spoke to him. 178 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: I said, how long have you been skateboarding? He said, 179 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: basically since they got to Australia, So he'd been skateboarding 180 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: since he was ten or twelve years old, you know, 181 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: since the seventies, had never stopped, and you know, he 182 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: had a car, he said, but when I've got to 183 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: go anywhere that's just within a few k's I skate. 184 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: It's like it's not and he doesn't do it because 185 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 1: it's trendy or it's hip, or but to look at 186 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 1: this motherfucker move I'm like, oh, yeah, like this guy 187 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 1: has not stopped right. And I looked at him anyway, 188 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: we said goodbye, and he headed off, you know, in 189 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 1: the other direction. And I watched him get on his 190 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: board and he stood on his board, he jumped on 191 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: his board, and he pushed off down the road like literally, 192 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 1: like from the back, you would think it was an 193 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 1: athletic twenty five or thirty year old, like the way 194 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: that he moved. And I'm like, well, he moves like 195 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: that because he's just always done it, you know, like 196 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: there's nothing somebody else would say, what the fuck are 197 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: you doing? You're in your sixties, your bone density is low, 198 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: this yere pretty. Oh you're just you're putting yourself at 199 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: risk of injury. And like this guy and yeah, like 200 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: I said, he wasn't able to prove anything. He wasn't 201 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 1: on a mission. He didn't think he was a big deal. 202 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: He was like, well why wouldn't I This is convenient, 203 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: Like it's just it's it's way better than walking. I 204 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: get everywhere four times quicker, and it's fun and he 205 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: loves it. And yeah, I just think that that for me, 206 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: that that kind of just turned on a light bulb 207 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: in my head because even I was surprised, and I'm 208 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: the optimist in this, I'm like, for a moment, I'm like, fuck, 209 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: how old you? When I saw him, and even I'm like, well, 210 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: even though I didn't think it was inappropriate, I thought 211 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,640 Speaker 1: it's unusual, and what a pity that it's unusual. 212 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I reckon our environment, and who's around us plays 213 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,559 Speaker 3: a mass part. If I go back to Tazzy, all 214 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 3: my Tazzy friends have grown up kids, a fit pretty 215 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,920 Speaker 3: grown up kids now. But the friends that I hang 216 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,360 Speaker 3: around here. I had always had this theory based on 217 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 3: my first boss, who when I left Tazzy, she was 218 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 3: sixty three, and I was like, well, you're not leaving 219 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 3: this business anytime soon, and there's no room for any 220 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: progression until you do. And she's still working full time 221 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: now at eighty three. Because she was always around young girls. 222 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 3: She would always had this team of young girls. 223 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 2: And she was like a kid. 224 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 3: So I spent so much time saying that along the 225 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: way going you hang out with young people. And then 226 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 3: I looked around my tribe lately and they're all sixty 227 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 3: year olds, and I go, hang on, I'm doing the opposite, 228 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 3: but they're sixty year olds that think, behave and have 229 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 3: fun like they're twenty My PT group swim well, that 230 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 3: got me in the cold water this week. Charlie and 231 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 3: his wife Jane, and they're all then they're sick is 232 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 3: and above and it's a lot. And I call them 233 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: my kindergartens. It's like a pack of kindergarten kids. And 234 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 3: that is contagious and we have to be careful of it. 235 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: And I think workplaces and the places where we're spending 236 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 3: the most of our time with the people that we 237 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 3: may not necessarily be choosing, that's who's influencing our mindset 238 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 3: around this stuff. 239 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: I think it's really I mean, you know, we need 240 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: to be intelligent and we're not talking like I said, 241 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: we're not talking about being reckless or silly. But you know, 242 00:14:31,400 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: somebody sent me a video the other day and it 243 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,840 Speaker 1: had this side by side. I feel bad saying this, 244 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: but it's just true. So I'm just going to fuck it. 245 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: But it had Joe Biden right on the stage, and 246 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, and like with complete respect, I think when 247 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 1: you know, it's not a revelation to say there's like 248 00:14:55,480 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: there's some real cognitive decline and physiological decline and full 249 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: respect for him and all of that, but you know, 250 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: there's stuff going on there. And then in the parallel 251 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: video was Mick Jagger, right from a concert like two 252 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: weeks ago, fucking sprinting across this stage like forty meters 253 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: to one side, rocking out, then sprinting, I mean sprinting right, 254 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 1: and then dancing and rocking on. And I looked up 255 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: how old he is just before we went live on 256 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: the twenty six of this month, which is ten days 257 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: as we record, he's eighty one eighty one, So he's 258 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: running round and I mean, again, you know, you would 259 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: think that that's not possible, but and this is the 260 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: whole of course, there's a physiological limit, and there's a 261 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: physiological kind of reality, of course, But I don't think 262 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: virtually any of us are anywhere near our threshold, you know, 263 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: Like I know that, and I'm not the role model 264 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: or the high watermark for anything. But you know, our 265 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: brain is a physical organ, right, just like you're living, 266 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: your heart, your kidneys, all physical organs. Your brain. Your 267 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: brain is not your mind, right, your mind is not. 268 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: But your brain is a physiological organ. It's organic. And 269 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: how well it works, how well your brain works has 270 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: got a bit to do with genetics. We don't know exactly. 271 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: Everybody goes, oh it's fifteen percent. We really don't fucking know. 272 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: But my guess is that it's a bit somewhere around 273 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 1: twenty percent. That's my guess. But I'm we don't know, 274 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: but I reckon it's about eighty percent about behavior and 275 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: lifestyle and choices and nutrition and sleep and thinking and stories. 276 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sixty one this year. I'm sixty 277 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 1: one at the end of September. September twenty eight. Put 278 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: in your diary. Don't get any trouble tip just something 279 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: big and expensive. But did you just write that down? 280 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it Joready and maccoul that's hilarious, But. 281 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that from a physiological point of view 282 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: that I'm definitely from a cognitive point of view, I'm 283 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: as good as I was when I was forty. I 284 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:25,320 Speaker 1: definitely have more knowledge. I would say I have more understanding. 285 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: I'd say I have more patience. I'm not smarter in 286 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: inverted commas, but I know more. And my ability to 287 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: function and operate and navigate life, and my recall and 288 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: my creativity and my problem solving and my attention. You know, 289 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: maybe I'm delusional. I don't think I am, but I'm 290 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: pretty sure they're is good or better than twenty years ago. 291 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: Now that shouldn't happen, or that doesn't typically happen, I 292 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,919 Speaker 1: should say. But what we can do is we can 293 00:17:54,040 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: either wind back the clock, a metaphoric clock, doing all 294 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:05,760 Speaker 1: of the things that improve cognitive function, that improved physiology, 295 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: that improve immune system function, strength and power and speed 296 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: and balance and agility and range of movement and flexibility, 297 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 1: all of these things that at any age we can manipulate. 298 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:22,439 Speaker 1: My dad at eighty five, as everyone knows because I've 299 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: been banging on about him. You know, he's gone from 300 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: four months ago not working out at all. So now 301 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: he's working out three days a week, and like, honestly 302 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 1: almost by the week. I can see improvement in this 303 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: eighty five year old body. Now he can three months later, 304 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: he can do stuff now that three months earlier he 305 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: couldn't do. So from a functional perspective, he is lowering 306 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 1: his biological age at the chronological age of eighty five. 307 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,880 Speaker 1: And another thing that's worth mentioning here, And I want 308 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: your thoughts on this is the high regard, the ridiculous 309 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: high regard that we hold in our culture, that we 310 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: hold retirement like it's some something to celebrate and to 311 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: look forward to. When we turned down the emotion and 312 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: we get away from the story of how amazing retirement 313 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: will be, the reality, the psychological, emotional, sociological, physiological reality 314 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: of retirement for many people is catastrophic and what we 315 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 1: see with many people. So think about this, you know, Friday, 316 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: and this is my dad's story. My dad was running 317 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: a multimillion dollar shopping center on a Friday. He had purpose, 318 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: He had lots of connection, He had responsibility. He was 319 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: using his brain all day every day. He was solving problems, 320 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,640 Speaker 1: he was being challenged, negotiating deals, he was having meaningful 321 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: dialogues with interesting people. He was working forty to fifty 322 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 1: hours a week. And then the following Monday, all of 323 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 1: that was gone forever. All of that was gone forever. 324 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: Now he had fifty years of that or a version 325 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: of that, you know, meaning focus, per purpose, skill development, 326 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: acquiring knowledge, understanding, resolving conflicts, solving problems, dealing with people 327 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: and personalities, you know, navigating the career that we all have. 328 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: And then boom, none of it. Him and Mary looking 329 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: at each other, going, what do we do now? It's 330 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: one o'clock. Now, that's fucking terrible for you. Now that's 331 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: not to say we should all work to wear one hundred, 332 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: but it is. It is to say that working or not, 333 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: we need engagement, We need connection, We need to solve problems. 334 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: We need to use our brain, we need cognitive stimulation, 335 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: We need to be challenged, like because the moment that 336 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: we stop using our body and brain, that shit goes 337 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: into free fall. 338 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 3: One hundred percent, My pop, who is one hundred. 339 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: Now when you say that, I think you're fucking around 340 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: because I always say I'm a hundred. But he actually 341 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: is one hundred, isn't he? Yeah? 342 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,960 Speaker 2: And he looks so young, like he looks eighty and 343 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 2: he he's now in a home. 344 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: And when my nan went into that home, he moved 345 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 3: on side into a self contained unit. But up until 346 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 3: that point he lived in this enormous two story house 347 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,479 Speaker 3: with so he was out gardening and chopping wood all 348 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: this he was playing golf, chopping wood, trimming the head 349 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 3: these massive hedges around the property like he was because 350 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 3: he was a farmer. He was a farmer and I 351 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 3: think of that. I always think of why did my 352 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 3: nan live to ninety five and my grandfather is one 353 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:58,080 Speaker 3: hundred and still going strong and he eats chocolates every day? 354 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 3: And what are the traits and the lifestyle things, because 355 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 3: they weren't you know, he played sport. But it's community 356 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 3: and connection, it's personality, it's mindset, it's thoughts, and I 357 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 3: just try and take so much about what I can 358 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 3: observe from them and embody it. 359 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: And you think about the mindset that goes with the 360 00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: way that he has aged. I bet he never got 361 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 1: up and when Oh, I don't know if chopping wood 362 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: is age appropriate? Right? 363 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 3: Oh? 364 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: Should I be doing this at my age? He's like, well, 365 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: who the fuck else is going to do it? No 366 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:33,680 Speaker 1: one's here? 367 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, Well what else am I going to do? I'm 368 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 2: going to sit on the couch? Yeah, what I'm I 369 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:38,159 Speaker 2: going to do? 370 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? Because like for better or worse, well for better, 371 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: Fortunately for him, it doesn't appear that he had any 372 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: dumb fucker in his ear going what's your dad's granddad's 373 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: first name, Frank, Frank. I don't think you should be 374 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: doing that, Frank, that's age inappropriate. What you should be 375 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: on the couch. Let me get a fucking cushion. He'd 376 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: be like, fuck your cushion, where's my axe? You know? 377 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: And so much of what is consequential physiology, in other words, 378 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: how well his body and brain worked. Not all of it, 379 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: but a lot of it is just probably to do 380 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: with one obviously, his lifestyle and behavior and how much 381 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: he moved and how much he used his body and 382 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: how well, but also the fact that he didn't have 383 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:29,000 Speaker 1: a story right, he didn't have an underlying psychology that 384 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 1: said you shouldn't do this and what do you go on? 385 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:35,679 Speaker 2: No, I was going to say, what's your advice? 386 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 3: Like people listening, it's easy when you're in the middle 387 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 3: of an environment like we've landed in. I guess where 388 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 3: you have developed this and can appreciate and have awareness 389 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 3: and be in the middle of it and go yeah. 390 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: I think like I think. I think I'm not. 391 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 3: Boxed in by any idea of how old I am. 392 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 3: What about people who are thinking, oh do it? 393 00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: Like? 394 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 3: How do people become aware? Where would you suggest someone 395 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 3: starts if they want to get aware of this? 396 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: So I think we change our thinking. I think we 397 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: change our thinking by our doing right, Like sitting on 398 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,159 Speaker 1: the couch going, oh, I need to change my attitude 399 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: about aging. I need to change the way that I 400 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: think about aging, my underlying psychology, my underlying stories about aging. 401 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 1: I don't think for the most part that works. That 402 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 1: may have a minor influence, but what really has an 403 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: influence is when you go and do something, and then 404 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: you progress and you evolve and you get stronger, or 405 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: you go from being able to walk slow to walk medium, 406 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: to walk fast and then a bit of jogging, and 407 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: then you see some and you're like in your fifties, 408 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: sixty seventies or beyond, and you start seeing improvement and 409 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: function and so you've done something, and then all of 410 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: a sudden, your thinking changes, your self belief, your expectation, 411 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: changes your stories, your standards. You create a new normal, 412 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: Like what was normal is now you look back on 413 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: it and you're like, what the fuck was I thinking 414 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: and doing? You know, it's it's I think the way 415 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: that I think, primarily because I have a way of 416 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: living and being and operating, and nothing in my head thinks, oh, 417 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: like we're recording now at two thirty two, and you 418 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: and the Crab and Chris and Odco and all these 419 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,399 Speaker 1: people that we know a meeting in fifty eight minutes 420 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 1: to train at the gym, right, And I don't think, oh, geez, 421 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm good at sixty to go to the gym. What 422 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: a fucking achievement for me? Just Chandy, look at me, 423 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: at my age doing it like there's nothing in me 424 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: that thinks it's a big deal or that it's an accomplishment. 425 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: Because to me, it's cleaning my teeth. To me, it's 426 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,200 Speaker 1: putting on my socks. To me, it's getting out of bed. 427 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: To me, it's fucking reading the newspaper. It's just a 428 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: thing that I do. Right. But when your psychology is ah, 429 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: and this is one of the other problems, is AH, 430 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 1: I went for a walk. You know, I'm amazing. When 431 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,960 Speaker 1: you're telling yourself that you're amazing because you walked a 432 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,240 Speaker 1: kilometer or you ate a salad, it's going to be 433 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: a fucking battle, you know. So we need to question 434 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: one question all the self limiting bullshit and all the 435 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:24,880 Speaker 1: age based storytelling, self limiting fucking garbage that we tell 436 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,199 Speaker 1: ourselves and then go do. Now, the doing doesn't need 437 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: to be joining a gym or becoming a crossfitter. The 438 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: doing might be you might in your fifties or sixties 439 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: going you know what, I'm going to go to university. Cool. 440 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: I read an article the other day about a lady 441 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 1: who went back. I think I spoke about this once recently, 442 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: and she really trained as a nurse in her sixties 443 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: and she just graduated. Now she's starting as an rin 444 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: a registered nurse at seventy. She's seventy and she's just 445 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: starting her nursing career and she looks like a fit, healthy, 446 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: bright eyed fifty five year old, right, and she's fucking 447 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: loving it. I'm like, so good for her now, apart 448 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 1: from the good that she's going to do the world, 449 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: because she's going to be so great with patients, right, 450 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 1: because she's not you know, she's done a lot, she's 451 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,160 Speaker 1: seen the world, and clearly she's not driven by money 452 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: or she would have done something because it's not like 453 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: being a nurse's the high watermark for fucking income. Love 454 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: you nurses, you know, Like, for me, what excites me 455 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: is the benefit people are going to get from her, 456 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,760 Speaker 1: but also the benefit that she gets in not putting 457 00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: herself in some sign of kind of psychological or emotional 458 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: box that says, oh this is inappropriate, or this is unlikely, 459 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: or this is irresponsible, or this is reckless at your age? 460 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: Like the problem. Yes, of course there is a reality 461 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 1: of what the body and the brain can and can't do, 462 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: but for most of us that is not the limitation. 463 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 1: This is my point today, is like, what's the space 464 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: between what your body can do and your story about 465 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: what your body can do? You know, what's the reality 466 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 1: of human potential? Your human potential? Take age off the table, 467 00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: rip the calendar off the wall, throw it in the bin, 468 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: and just think about not what's possible at your age, 469 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: but just what's possible for you. Imagine if imagine if 470 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 1: we didn't record birth dates. Imagine if no one knew 471 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: how anyone was. Imagine if you met a person and 472 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: they didn't know if they were forty or sixty. Imagine 473 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: if there was no record. You would just have to 474 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: treat people based on who they are and how they are, 475 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: because we couldn't judge them. But what we do is 476 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 1: we like, for example, I did an interview the other 477 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,000 Speaker 1: day on ticket TV and there's no there's not a 478 00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: bad thing at all. I did it with Kate save 479 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: right and Kate God bless Kate. She's great, and I 480 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: understand why she did this, and I'm completely fine with it. 481 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: But she put up a picture of me and her 482 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: doing this thing, and she went, you know, Craig in 483 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: great shape, bloody jacked and all this stuff into his sixties, 484 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: right now, that's what we do. And I understand why 485 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: she did that, not at all bothered by that, and 486 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: it's kind of good pr and marketing. I get it. 487 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: I would have done the same. But imagine if we 488 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: lived in a world where we could only understand people 489 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: or perceive and process and experience people just on how 490 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 1: they show up. We didn't know anyone's age, because like 491 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: it or not, all of us, including me. You know, 492 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: if I know someone's eighty, I automatically will have even 493 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: though I don't want to be judgmental, I'll all already 494 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: have an expectation, I guess, right, And that's why so 495 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 1: many peopleeople, I guess, are somewhat surprised of how functional 496 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: and operational I am at a time when many people 497 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: are really beginning to slide. And it's not because I'm 498 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: genetically gifted or because I'm special, or better, because I'm 499 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: not genetically gifted. I'm not special I'm not smarter, I'm 500 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: not better. I just do things that create a certain outcome. 501 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: But the other bit of the psychology of all of 502 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: this is doing the things that create the outcome are uncomfortable, 503 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: and as we've said one million times on this show, 504 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: we don't like discomfort. So there's a certain acceptance that 505 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: needs to happen with people if they want to optimize 506 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 1: their genetic potential at any age, their health, their wellness, 507 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: their performance, their nervous system, their endocrime system, their bone density, 508 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: their muscular potential, their health span. There's a certain price 509 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: that needs to be paid, and that is work and 510 00:30:58,800 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: effort and courage. 511 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: And you know that. 512 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: Of course, a lot of people don't want to pay 513 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: that price. And I get it, I get it. 514 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: That's really that. 515 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 3: That was really powerful what you said about not seeing 516 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 3: people for age. And I think I myself fall into 517 00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 3: that a bit naturally, but as as a construct, I 518 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: think that that is people should try that. 519 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: Think about that. 520 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 3: Even when someone mentions their age, I then it can shift, 521 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 3: it can shift my I feel that shift. And that's 522 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: not a conscious thing, that's not a deliberate idea. But yeah, 523 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,840 Speaker 3: we're driven by this stuff in our mind. That's so 524 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 3: conditioned that we're not even aware of it, and it's dangerous. 525 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 1: I was sitting with somebody the other day and not 526 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: the other day, probably a couple of weeks ago, I 527 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: from being honest and do I say this? Yere fuck it? 528 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: But anyway, and they I pulled them up on and 529 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: I do worse than this every day, right. But I 530 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 1: was with this person and a lady walked into the 531 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: Hamptons where we were having a chat. And this lady 532 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 1: was wearing what the lady that I was talking to 533 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: deemed to be inappropriate clothing for her age. And I'm like, 534 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, what's age appropriate clothing? And she goes 535 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: not that and I'm like, how come? Like who can 536 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: wear that? And then we had this whole philosophical discussion 537 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: about okay, well what's the age? You know? And I said, 538 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: what about what about Sonya Krueger? Have you seen Sonya Krueger? 539 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 3: Yeah? 540 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: I mean is she the most and I mean this 541 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: with respect spectacular looking in terms of healthy, fit, vibrant. 542 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: That lady is nearly sixty. Did you know that? No? 543 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 2: I was about to say, how no, she's nearly sixty. 544 00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: I saw her the other night, I'm like, oh my god, 545 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: how phenomenal. And I'm not talking about prettiness or Desira Bell. 546 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: I'm just talking about she literally looks like a super fit, 547 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: healthy forty year old, right, but she can wear whatever 548 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: because she looks a certain way. But it's just, yeah, 549 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: it's just that. And have I ever done that or 550 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: a version of that? Of course I have. Am I 551 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: embarrassed that I do? Yeah, of course, of course, But 552 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: that whole kind of age just thinking, it's just something 553 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: that I think we need to become because I think 554 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,200 Speaker 1: we all do it, myself included. I think I do 555 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 1: it less now than I ever have done. But you know, 556 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:47,000 Speaker 1: I know because for me, I understand the potential negative 557 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: consequences of negative thinking and negative storytelling around age that 558 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: I think you know so much in our culture and 559 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: all the medical shows, and we've got stuff at the 560 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,760 Speaker 1: moment with Chris Hemsworth which is called I Can Live 561 00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: Forever or something, and you know, the vast majority of 562 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,280 Speaker 1: everything that we talk about is really about the physiology 563 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: and the biology, and we talk about food, and we 564 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 1: talk about micros and macros and sleep and sets and 565 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: reps and volume and heart rate and supplements and all 566 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,320 Speaker 1: of those things which are crucial. But the way that 567 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 1: we think about aging and the way that we talk 568 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: about aging and the stories that we have in our 569 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: society about aging are a big part of the problem 570 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 1: as well. But it pretty much goes, you know, unnoticed 571 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: and unaddressed. 572 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 3: So does this mean you're going to hop in the 573 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 3: ocean and get uncomfortable with your almost sixty one year old, 574 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 3: vibrant bod Now you're cold water swimming? 575 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,920 Speaker 1: Now, It's funny you mentioned that because you and I 576 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: spoke here state because you did it. And when you 577 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 1: do something horrible, because you're a shit friend and a 578 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:05,279 Speaker 1: great friend, you also want your friends to suffer with you. 579 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: I know this to be true about you. You're like, fuck, 580 00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,239 Speaker 1: I did it. It was horrible. Oh on harps to 581 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: go through the same pain. So firstly, fuck you in 582 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: your ocean swimming. Secondly, last night last hates. So I'm running, 583 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,879 Speaker 1: you know, I'm fucking around with running right And by 584 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 1: the way, like I really started running again. I ran 585 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: a lot when I was a kid. I've run bits 586 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 1: and pieces through my adult journey. But I'm really starting 587 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,920 Speaker 1: to run again. Not long, not far, but and I'm 588 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: amazed that how quickly m and remember sixty. My fitness 589 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: has improved. I'll probably run fifteen times now. And what 590 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm doing is I was doing every day short. Now 591 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing a bit longer. Two or three k's still 592 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,279 Speaker 1: not long, but long enough. But I run like you know, 593 00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: I run like I stole something, right, I run out 594 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: the side gate like a crazy person. So last night 595 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: was my running night, and I kept waiting for the 596 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: rain to I like running in the rain, but it 597 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: was fucking sideways rain. It was three degrees. I don't 598 00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,640 Speaker 1: know what it was, but it felt like felt like 599 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: zero degrees. It was sideways rain. It was windy, and 600 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:24,719 Speaker 1: I thought, if I run outside, everything that I wear 601 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: is just going to be one I'm going to get 602 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 1: hype thermia, and two I'm going to I'm going to 603 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,400 Speaker 1: everything's going to get soaked. So I went fuck it. 604 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: And I've got you know that skinny red singlet that 605 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,560 Speaker 1: I trained in periodically, that it's about forty two years old, right, 606 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: It's about as big as a postage stamp, and it's 607 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: held together with fucking gaffer tape. So I put that 608 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: motherfucker on, which covers my left nipple. And you know, 609 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,840 Speaker 1: four hairs around my belly button, nothing else, right, So 610 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: I put that on and I went running and I 611 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,359 Speaker 1: ran for three k's which was or maybe just done. 612 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: I was out for about quarter of an hour. Right, 613 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: it was fucking freezing. I mean it was so cold, 614 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: and also because and I was thinking of you, I 615 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: was thinking, this is my ocean swim and the wind 616 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,120 Speaker 1: on top of that, and I'm sure it wasn't as 617 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: painful or as cold as your ocean swim, but that 618 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: was my little moment. But I got home yesterday and 619 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, when you're so cold, as you were talking 620 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,480 Speaker 1: about with your ocean swim, I was freezing, freezing, freezing. 621 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,319 Speaker 1: And then I got in the house downstairs upstairs as 622 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: warm downstairs, not so warm downstairs, and like my whole 623 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: body was tingling. My hands were like they were on fire. 624 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: My whole body was tingling. And the room, even though 625 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: the room wasn't downstairs wasn't warm, it felt real warm. 626 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 1: And then I came upstairs. It felt like I'd just 627 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: gone to fucking Darwin. 628 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:50,160 Speaker 3: Right, it was. 629 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, it was so hot, But what I loved 630 00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: was my body loved it. Yeah, my body fucking loved it. 631 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,239 Speaker 1: And I passed a few people who are out with 632 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: dogs and umbrellas and seven raincoats who looked at me like, 633 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: where the fuck did you escape from? You old silly motherfucker, 634 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: go home, right, And I just I kind of, I'm 635 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 1: not even lying. I did pass three people and they 636 00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: looked at me like I was unhinged, which I don't, 637 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: and I will say they did move way out of 638 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: the way. Nobody wanted to get close to me. 639 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 2: Some criminal running up the road with his laps. 640 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, runlike he stole something exactly anyway, So everyone be encouraged. 641 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: Be encouraged. Don't limit yourself, don't be crazy or reckless. 642 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,839 Speaker 1: But at the same time, don't live in fear, don't 643 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: live in self limitation. Don't build an emotional, psychological, behavioral 644 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:02,640 Speaker 1: prison for yourself. Don't rationalize what you're not doing because 645 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,920 Speaker 1: you're too old. Don't do anything crazy to start, but 646 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,760 Speaker 1: just open the door. You might be surprised. Just fucking 647 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: get the metaphoric wheels turning. You might surprise a few people, 648 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,439 Speaker 1: and most importantly, you might surprise yourself. Tiffany and Cook, 649 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: as always for a woman in her you know you're 650 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: in your fifth decade now, don't Yeah, you're in your 651 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: fifth decade. You've been here for a minute. 652 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 2: Too, been hanging out, I've been hanging out. 653 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Forty two next birthday Yeah. OMG, Thanks Tiff, Thanks Harps.