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Speaker 2: Whole world was murdered.

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Speaker 1: My Shelle's life was taken by a means I still

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Speaker 1: don't know. All I know is that her body was

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Speaker 1: found in some scrub on the side of the road.

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Speaker 1: Who would want to hurt Shell? This is the question

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Speaker 1: I keep asking myself.

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Speaker 3: I'm Ashley Handsome and you're listening to episode five of Deererschelle,

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Speaker 3: a podcast by True Prime Australia. This is the untold

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Speaker 3: story of Rochelle Childs. In two thousand and eight, an

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Speaker 3: inquest would rule that Rochelle.

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Speaker 2: Was the victim of a homicide, but the.

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Speaker 3: Coroner fell short of identifying who was responsible. In other words,

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Speaker 3: it was an open finding. In her early twenties, Rochelle's

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Speaker 3: best friend Lisa started keeping a diary. She filled it

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Speaker 3: with her most secret and private thoughts. Never would she

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Speaker 1: Rochelle had the biggest heart out of anyone I have

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Speaker 1: ever known. Why would someone want to hurt her? I

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Speaker 1: just can't believe it. I want them to be wrong.

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Speaker 1: On the Wednesday, she was going to dinner at Shawn's

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Speaker 2: At the time, Sean was going out with Rochelle's little sister, Christi.

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Speaker 1: Friday was going to maybe take Lee for a ride

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Speaker 3: Remember Lee, he was the young guy from Beau Repairs

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Speaker 3: who Rochelle was flirting with, and Glenn was a long

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Speaker 3: term friend of Hertz. He was one of the last

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Speaker 3: Rochelle's murder purely through that recent contact. And Kevin, he

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Speaker 3: the way, you're about to hear a reference to the Catho.

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Speaker 3: It's short for the Catholic Club, a nightclub in Campbelltown.

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Speaker 1: That night we were going to go to the Catho

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Speaker 1: with Fiona and dance upstairs. Saturday, we were going to

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Speaker 1: for Sean's twenty first On the Thursday, I remember her

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Speaker 1: thinking to myself, Oh shit, how is she going to

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Speaker 1: she was going, and I'm pretty sure who is I

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Speaker 1: just can't fucking remember.

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Speaker 2: I can't believe it.

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Speaker 1: The one thing, the one detail that matters, and I

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Speaker 1: I still felt uneasy about it, though, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: see hypnotist this Friday. On the day I gave my statement,

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Speaker 1: told them to put me under hypnosis so I would remember,

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Speaker 4: I remember.

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Speaker 1: Laying I get this months when I think about it,

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Speaker 3: Hypnosis might sound like a fairly unorthodox method, but it's

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Speaker 3: not as unusual as you'd think. Regardless, by this point,

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Speaker 3: In the last episode, Either Davies, the lead investigator on

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Speaker 3: Lune has a few thoughts on Bruce's alibi.

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Speaker 5: He had an alibi on the evening that night of

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Speaker 5: it appears that some discrepancy in relation to who was

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Speaker 5: by a police exter what they said and a number

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Speaker 5: someone of interest, I would say, And the fact that

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Speaker 2: Do you think that's suspicious that his Jerry Can was

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Speaker 2: body was set on fire.

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Speaker 5: Look, you could say yes and you could say no

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Speaker 5: out that Rochelle was prone to breaking down running out

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Speaker 5: so she's borrowed of spare jerry can from him at

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Speaker 2: It's just unfortunate that the jerry can was found in

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Speaker 5: Yes, and her body had been said alight by an accelerant.

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Speaker 5: So you know, we're looking pretty pretty good here for

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Speaker 3: Reviewing the facts today, Damien doesn't think Bruce was involved

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Speaker 3: in Rochelle's murder. Something we keep coming back to, though,

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Speaker 3: is the Bargo Hotel. To get our heads around the case,

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Speaker 3: Damian and I went for a visit to the old pub.

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Speaker 3: Who was Rochelle supposedly meeting here on that Thursday night,

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Speaker 3: and how did her car get here?

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Speaker 5: So she drove it up?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 5: Its first I'd say and say.

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Speaker 2: How do we know that she even drove it here?

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Speaker 5: Well, that's right, do we know that? We don't? Don't

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Speaker 3: How common was in two thousand and one for pubs

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Speaker 5: Oh they had, ah, I note because I was doing

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately in the Bargo Hotel didn't have one.

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Speaker 5: Not at the back. They have it now they had

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Speaker 6: An how it's looking right at us?

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Speaker 3: Let's look into the evidence gathered from the Bargo Hotel.

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Speaker 3: In the early days of the investigation, Thursday was topless

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Speaker 3: though Rochelle lived nearby, it wasn't somewhere where she was

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Speaker 3: But in early two thousand and one it was a

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Speaker 3: The pub manager at the time, Colin Picton, is adamant

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Speaker 3: though she was never there. We know Rochelle's distinctive blue

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Speaker 6: We got into the car and I remember sitting in

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Speaker 7: But the car seat didn't look like the way Rochelle

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Speaker 6: The club block was on upside down.

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Speaker 7: She would sick like hanging back with the sword, a

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Speaker 6: Had a specific way that she used to put the

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Speaker 7: One of those old hooks that you pull the arm out, and.

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Speaker 6: The seat was really far back, which she did used

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Speaker 7: From a memory, that all just looks funny. It just

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Speaker 6: And I remember looking at the car going, there's something

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Speaker 3: So who did park it there? And what secrets could her?

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Speaker 3: Beloved nineteen seventy eight, holand Commodore vb off her up.

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Speaker 3: That car has been in Christie's farm shed for a

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Speaker 3: long time now, but six years after Rochelle's murder it

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Speaker 8: I came into this six years after the event. That's

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Speaker 8: the jobs had gone cold, and after they got cold

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Speaker 3: You were never told who owned the car, and the

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Speaker 8: Until you rang me up and said the lady's name

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Speaker 8: All I knew was as motor car, and here's some

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Speaker 2: Did she miss Stuning?

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Speaker 3: Wasn't she?

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Speaker 3: Who saw Rochelle's car? Where and when on the night

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Speaker 4: Chris Sillings were from a former New South Wales Police

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Speaker 9: Why did it happen that way? Who would need to

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Speaker 4: Things for those reasons? Because people, often police included, will

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Speaker 4: Well who done it? They missed two crucial steps, which

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Speaker 4: You can't just go straight to who did it.

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Speaker 3: Chris's report has never been shared with Rochelle's family or

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Speaker 4: She's been dragged down here, straight down towards here and

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Speaker 4: I think is just from where he's slipped and fallen

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Speaker 4: that was intentional. And after that, there's a few steps

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Speaker 4: I'll pull the body down here, slip over and her

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Speaker 4: But before doing that, the person has had to go

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Speaker 3: To view an extended video of Chris's insights as she

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of places between here and Bargo that

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Speaker 4: There's two ways to look at one that he knew

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Speaker 4: I only to create a fire, which is close to

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Speaker 3: Rochelle's belongings, including her handbag, shoes, and a bed sheet

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Speaker 2: Chris takes us on the same trail.

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Speaker 4: We're on Beach Road, about a kilometer from where you

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Speaker 4: We've put on that side, there's few trees in the

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Speaker 4: To put it again, it reflects haste and inexperience of

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Speaker 2: And why is this location a piece of the puzzle.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is one of the crime sites. This is

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Speaker 4: I mean behaviorally, it says that the items of clothing

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Speaker 4: Roughly four kilometers north of where the shoes were found.

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Speaker 4: So we're out where the handbag was found with her

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Speaker 4: a pretty poor choice as well.

437
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 2: Was the face plate of the CD player belonging to

438
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:53,880
Speaker 2: Rachelle found in that handbag?

439
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 4: I believe it was, yes.

440
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 3: And do you know anything about the missing stereo that

441
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: was connected to that face.

442
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 4: I think it's probably been stolen while the car has

443
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 4: been parked there for several days and nights.

444
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 3: After we finished recording at those key locations linked to

445
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 3: the killer's movements, I wanted to ask Chris why she

446
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 3: agreed to be involved in our investigation over twenty years later.

447
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 4: You know, there are cases that you don't forget. This

448
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 4: is one of them. A lot of work did go

449
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 4: into this investigation. I was called in by Detective Inspector

450
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:31,239
Speaker 4: Mick Ashwood from Homicide Mixer, an excellent investigator, very far

451
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 4: thinks laterally.

452
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 9: He's very aware of.

453
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 4: Tunnel vision as well, which you've got to be careful of.

454
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 4: So yeah, I came on board when Mick asked. We've

455
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 4: worked on other cases together and I did what I

456
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 4: could to help Rachelle, and as I do for all cases,

457
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 4: I work on to help the victim and their families

458
00:26:53,640 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 4: and friends. And so when this opportunity came up, I thought, well, yeah, helps. Basically,

459
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 4: if it helps, I would be pleased to help.

460
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Mick Ashwood.

461
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 9: What was identified in the initial investigation was a sheet

462
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 9: found about a kilometer from the scene. Now, when we

463
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 9: looked at some of these exhibits like that some of

464
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 9: the islands of the car, some processing took place, which

465
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 9: is called trying to recover DNA, some swabbing occurred. Now

466
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 9: that lead I think probably six months or a year

467
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 9: into it the second investigation that there was a common

468
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 9: DNA on a number of items, critically the bedsheet and

469
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 9: some items in the car. The significance was that it

470
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 9: was the same DNA.

471
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,239
Speaker 3: After processing the crime scene exhibits, police has discovered an

472
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 3: unknown male DNA profile and they were desperate to identify

473
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 3: the man it belonged to.

474
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: There's no strong leads police in an Australian first sixty

475
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 4: men to volunteer DNA samples.

476
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 8: The testing is not compulsory, but probably say they can

477
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:11,640
Speaker 8: still rely on conventional methods of investigation.

478
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 9: And then following this, you know it'll be luck.

479
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: Now's the time to come forward because we're going to come.

480
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 5: Looking for you.

481
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: Detectives were asking anyone who could have crossed paths with

482
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 3: Rochelle to volunteer their DNA.

483
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 9: In consultation, we decided to do a mass screening DNA

484
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 9: operation in the town of Camden. The whole idea of

485
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 9: that is you use the energy of a mass screening

486
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 9: DNA operation and they're quite successful our media strategy and

487
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 9: we get samples from everyone. Now, in this particular case

488
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 9: of a country was a week, a few days. We

489
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 9: end up getting DNA samples from everyone that was person

490
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 9: of interest in the case how long motorcycle group so

491
00:28:59,400 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 9: that was six.

492
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was massive and everyone was really supportive, couldn't

493
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 6: help enough. They were quite happy to volunteer DNA. And

494
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 6: it wasn't DNA that was going to be kept on file.

495
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 6: It was only going to be used in Rochelle's case. Yeah,

496
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 6: and it was huge and everyone in the community gave DNA.

497
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: The size of that response shocked police, especially when a

498
00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: bunch of bikeis turned up, including sash.

499
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 9: So we're standing in this balcony at I think it

500
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 9: was Camden Police Station talking to the Sergeant Arms and

501
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 9: the president of the chapter, and they changed from the

502
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 9: old style bikis. This was well before what you have now.

503
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 9: Back then there was no real shootings and stuff. They

504
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 9: kept to themselves, but these are the new group. They

505
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 9: had their long sleep sweaters which had their name down

506
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 9: the side, the name of their club, their OMCG club,

507
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 9: and they had bit of jewelry. So it was that

508
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 9: start of the new generation of bikes. So we did

509
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 9: a bit of work and talking to them, saying, well,

510
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 9: come and give you a sample. Can we get your

511
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 9: whole chapter in? Give some sample. It's got nothing to hide,

512
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 9: and that way you know we won't be on your case.

513
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 9: We can eliminate you.

514
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: Did it surprise you when the Rebels bike is turned up?

515
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 9: It did, But it also reaffirmed my thought that this

516
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 9: is a red hair in place by someone because it

517
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 9: takes a lot of hypothesis. The steps into an argument

518
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 9: as to why Rachelle was associating with When it was

519
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 9: put forward by one person.

520
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 6: Heaven told Dad that Rochelle wanted to leave early on

521
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 6: the Thursday to go to the Bargo Pub to meet

522
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 6: someone at six pm. And if you trace it all back,

523
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 6: Kevin's the only one that said that she was going

524
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 6: to Bargo Pub and I think other people who have

525
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 6: said it it was after.

526
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 3: Police were close and the net was tightening on one man,

527
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 3: Rochelle's boss, Kevin Correll. He was in the frame very

528
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: early on because of his strange behavior in the days

529
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 3: before and after Rochelle went missing.

530
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 6: Kevin and Rachelle were quite close. He was like a

531
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 6: father figure to her. She looked up to him. Unfortunately,

532
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 6: so I called him and said she's missing, and I

533
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,959
Speaker 6: was beside myself and I remember getting off the phone

534
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 6: and saying to Fiona, that was so weird. He's not

535
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 6: concerned at all. Couldn't get off the phone quick enough.

536
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: When she was missing.

537
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: Did you talk to Kevin, given he was your colleague

538
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 3: at Camden Holden, did you call him and do you

539
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: remember that conversation with him at the time? Yep.

540
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 7: And he was very aloof, very alooft, just very didn't

541
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 7: even want to help, didn't want to didn't ask questions anything.

542
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 6: He wasn't batility, helpful.

543
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: He seemed concerned that something was missing there, he.

544
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 7: Just did not care. And that is weird coming from

545
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 7: someone who seemed so concerned about every other aspect of

546
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 7: her life.

547
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 5: He paints his picture at work as a loving coworker

548
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 5: who deeply cares for Rochelle and her employment, etc. And

549
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 5: then suddenly she goes missing, and well, so what and

550
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 5: nothing's happened. He hasn't lefted, he doesn't have help, so

551
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 5: she doesn't do anything, doesn't make any telephone cause he

552
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 5: doesn't certainly assist a child's family of anything, and that's

553
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 5: noted by them as well.

554
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 6: I expected him to cancel all his plans and be

555
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 6: there in ten minutes as fast as he possibly could

556
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 6: while he was bringing everybody. He knew that was the

557
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 6: because he had told Rachelle that he used to be

558
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 6: a detective, which was bullshit looking back.

559
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 10: When he came to work on that Friday morning, he

560
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 10: was late, and he looked like shit. He looked really crappy,

561
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 10: really like he hadn't slapped. And he left early on

562
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 10: that Friday afternoon and saying he had a doctor's appointment too,

563
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 10: but yeah, didn't want to help, didn't wasn't concerned. And

564
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 10: I'm like this, You're.

565
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 7: Concerned all the time, You're always you know, why are

566
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 7: you not now she's missing? Like, why are you not concerned? Something?

567
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 7: Something's not right there, doesn't sit well with me at all.

568
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 5: And he's a suspect. By the way, it's carell there's

569
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 5: no doubt about her. He's a red hot suspect. And

570
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 5: here he is suddenly he doesn't want to get involved.

571
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 5: Why what's a change in his personality? A change in

572
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 5: his behavior? Is it something because something's bad happened and

573
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 5: he knows about it and knows it's futile to go

574
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 5: look for somebody that you already know is deceased. You

575
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 5: don't want to get involved. You don't want to be there,

576
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 5: you don't want to be seen. Some people prior to

577
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 5: say a serious incident and that something's bad and you're

578
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 5: you're involved, you know you're the offender. Something's bad happened. Well,

579
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 5: then go into a state of withdrawal. They will go

580
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 5: into hibernation that they won't speak to people. They're not

581
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 5: the usual joy of yourself. Their habits become very obvious,

582
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 5: and that night he's by himself, and following her disappearance,

583
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 5: he's not really concerned about where she is.

584
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 3: As those closest to Rochelle mourned her sudden loss, Kevin's

585
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 3: unusual behavior didn't go unnoticed.

586
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: Does any one particular person stand out to you at

587
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:49,520
Speaker 2: the funeral.

588
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: Can you talk me through it, Kevin. I've just always

589
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: felt incredibly uneasy about him.

590
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 6: I doost.

591
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 1: I remember staring at him the court case and he

592
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't make eye contact with me. I remember staring at

593
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: him at the funeral and he wouldn't look at me.

594
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 1: I remember the distance he had from everybody else at

595
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: the funeral. He just made me feel uncomfortable. I something

596
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: just didn't sit right with him.

597
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: So tell me about the days that followed Rochelle's death.

598
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: What happened next?

599
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 11: Memory pretty somber environment at the shop. I held a

600
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 11: regular meeting of managers at the shop, which would normally

601
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 11: have included Kevin. I think it was the first meeting

602
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 11: after the funeral. Kevin was quite upset, and I just said, look,

603
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 11: leave the meeting just you're obviously not able to participate

604
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 11: in the frame of mind you are, so just just

605
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 11: when you go home or go back to your.

606
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,879
Speaker 2: Office, so just just leave, Kevin.

607
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: Stephen Carrell strenuously denies any involvement in Rochelle's death. He

608
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: has willingly participated in three records of interview with police.

609
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: He voluntarily provided a DNA sample for comparison to material

610
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: held by police investigators, and that could be an indication

611
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 3: that he has nothing to hide. Kevin provided a detailed alibi.

612
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 3: He says on the night Rochelle was killed, he left work,

613
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,840
Speaker 3: went shopping at Campbelltown, visited his girlfriend's house at Picton

614
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: although she wasn't home, grabbed takeaway in Tarmil and recalled

615
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 3: exactly what he ordered, being a fish cake, battered save

616
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: a bagg of chips and a coke, and then went

617
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 3: home and watched some Dawson's Creek on TV. He says

618
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 3: he then went to a nearby servo to buy milk,

619
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: and then he went to the pub, and then he

620
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 3: came home where he eyned a shirt and watched some

621
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: Big Brother on TV before falling asleep. No one can

622
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 3: verify his alibi. We'll go deeper into Kevin's alibi soon,

623
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 3: but let's talk about his family. Kevin's brother, Raymond Barry Cornwall,

624
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 3: is a serial sex offender jail for raping multiple victims,

625
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,720
Speaker 3: including girls as young as thirteen.

626
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 9: The sense of fear he created as a woman, you

627
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,280
Speaker 9: wouldn't leave the house, you wouldn't run in the parks.

628
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 9: That's the fear that he had. He was very active,

629
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 9: very fearful. He was one of the most active bad

630
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 9: rapists in Sydney in a period probably you cover twenty

631
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 9: to thirty years. Not saying that's the range of his offending.

632
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 9: There's been others Northhollist, Sinclair rapists. He was clearly in

633
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 9: that level. It's the offender that type. They're all bad,

634
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 9: but this one that they need the constant gratification from

635
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 9: instilling fear and wanting power over women. They get off

636
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 9: on it, and they are sadistic people, you know, And

637
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 9: he would be up there with some of the worst

638
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 9: in the last last thirty forty years.

639
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 3: Of course, Kevin is not responsible for his brother Raymond's crimes.

640
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 3: Just because one brother is a certain way doesn't mean

641
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 3: another is too. But it is an interesting fact. So

642
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 3: many people have suffered at the hands of Raymond. Barry Cornwall,

643
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: who's now a freeman. Court documents reveal his brother Kevin,

644
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: visited him after his arrest at Bankstown Police Station in

645
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: Sydney in nineteen ninety three. Cornwall confessed his disturbing crimes

646
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 3: to his brother Kevin, who relayed the information to police.

647
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: Raymond would serve fourteen years for those crimes, and when

648
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: he was released, it wasn't long before he was offending again.

649
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 3: The convicted pedophile is closely monitored by authorities to this day.

650
00:38:56,640 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: The brothers no longer share the same surname. If something

651
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 3: prompted Kevin to change his name, and by the time

652
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 3: he ran the used cast sales department at Camden Holden

653
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: in two thousand and one, he was Kevin Correll. Under

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Speaker 3: his previous name Kevin Stephen Cornwall, he was accused of

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Speaker 3: a series of.

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Speaker 2: Violent sex attacks in the nineteen eighties.

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Speaker 3: However, Kevin denied the alleged conduct and was acquitted of

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Speaker 3: all charges. And now forty years later, some of those

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Speaker 3: alleged victims are telling their story. For Rochelle, it's not

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Speaker 3: in dispute that the women you're about to hear from

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Speaker 3: were assaulted. The he they all refer to is whoever

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Speaker 3: committed these terrifying crimes. True Crime Australia is not saying

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Speaker 3: Kevin is guilty of these crimes. We are only pointing

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Speaker 3: out that there are reasonable grounds to suspect Kevin committed

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Speaker 3: these crimes, and that's part of the reason he is

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Speaker 3: a prime suspect in the suspected rape and murder of Rochelle.

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Speaker 3: True Crime Australia is saying that there are reasonable grounds

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Speaker 3: to think Kevin Carrell was involved in Rochelle's murder, not

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Speaker 3: necessarily that he is guilty.

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Speaker 2: On the next episode of Dear Rochelle.

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Speaker 3: So the knock at the door, I opened it and

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Speaker 3: it was banned instant valaclava.

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Speaker 6: The knife was held up here. He pushed me back.

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Speaker 6: I was walking down the hall to sh reshow him

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Speaker 6: the loundrim and.

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Speaker 7: That he pulled a knife on me.

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Speaker 2: He just came straight at me and it was just

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Speaker 2: closed hard fist. Proceeded to tell.

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Speaker 6: Me that if I didn't do what he said, he

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Speaker 6: would kill my kids.

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Speaker 2: And I just went down.

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Speaker 4: It was like.

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Speaker 6: I just went smacked down on the bed.

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Speaker 5: I did what he said.

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Speaker 6: Any rape me, I remember thinking, holy shit, I'm gonna die.

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