Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live. Hey you gang, thank you
Speaker 2: for watching us this Sunday. We are surviving on water
Speaker 2: and honey. But I think we are one of millions
Speaker 2: doing that right now. So apologies for the voice, but
Speaker 2: no change in the focus. Lots of things to talk
Speaker 2: about tonight, including what you think is the bold prediction
Speaker 2: for the week ahead. Will Philip Thomson will join us
Speaker 2: from Campbell to talk about the latest madness out of
Speaker 2: Andrew Giles and the idiocy which is now involving the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister directly. Let's see how he tries to whiggle
Speaker 2: his way out of this, which no doubt he will
Speaker 2: do with the support of the lefty press gallery. But first,
Speaker 2: what about Donald Trump? Now, if you or I had
Speaker 2: got thirty four convictions held up against us, if there
Speaker 2: was a chance of us going to jail, there's a
Speaker 2: chance you'd probably stay at home on the first chance
Speaker 2: that you got not Trump. He was offered the UFC
Speaker 2: and the crowd seemed to like him.
Speaker 3: Trump he is in the building in the form of
Speaker 3: present any standing.
Speaker 2: Ovationion so good, I've how many lifties heads are going
Speaker 2: to go? Now, of course this was all following the
Speaker 2: obvious news which brought Friday morning ASTRADI in.
Speaker 4: Time, Donald Trump found guilty on all thirty four counts.
Speaker 5: The former president Donald that Jay Trump found guilty on
Speaker 5: all counts.
Speaker 1: The jury found Trump guilty.
Speaker 2: Former President Donald Trump has been found guilty.
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is a convicted felam.
Speaker 6: Donald Trump the first former president to be convicted in
Speaker 6: a criminal trial.
Speaker 2: Now the left, well, I was slotting off their chairs
Speaker 2: with excitement about all of this, because finally they had
Speaker 2: got their man. He is now a convicted felon, and
Speaker 2: a big asterisk nice exists over the twenty sixteen election.
Speaker 7: Well, my reaction was, I was at Costco buying you
Speaker 7: ten boxes of cured coffee, and my watch started to
Speaker 7: buzz and I got so excited I started leaking all bit.
Speaker 8: Do you say you want peace, you say you'll never
Speaker 8: get peace along as Donald Trump is here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't believe I ever will.
Speaker 9: It's an unbelievable story. A guy that was made by
Speaker 9: New York was just in some ways, you could argue
Speaker 9: broken by New York.
Speaker 4: The test for US now as a country is whether
Speaker 4: or not this former president and his allies will have
Speaker 4: succeeded in trying to undermine the rule of law so
Speaker 4: that people reject this as a legitimate function of the
Speaker 4: rule of law in our country.
Speaker 10: Because Byron Donald's who is from East Flatbush, Brooklyn, as myself,
Speaker 10: and Tim Scott who is from the great state of
Speaker 10: South Carolina, and Marco Ruvio, who is Latino, they know
Speaker 10: damn well who normally ends up at the bottom of
Speaker 10: this criminal the actual VICTI by.
Speaker 2: The way, that lady never goes to Costco the first one.
Speaker 2: And what point exactly is she making here? Anyway, they
Speaker 2: were very excited, They remain excited. They will continue to
Speaker 2: be excited until the appeals process either upholds or destroys
Speaker 2: what the New York court. Now. Of course, all of
Speaker 2: these people, if they're talking about let's say, no African
Speaker 2: American defendants, would have plenty to say about a justice
Speaker 2: system if it was Deep Dock, Alabama. But because this
Speaker 2: is brought in beautiful New York City, justice has been done.
Speaker 2: But on the right, of course, I believe, well, now
Speaker 2: that I have done this to Trump, it is time
Speaker 2: to start drawing up lists and do it in reverse.
Speaker 11: Now what we need is steely resolve. I hope all
Speaker 11: of you are angry. I hope you're hurt. I hope
Speaker 11: you see what's happening to your republic. I hope you
Speaker 11: see it all. I want you to internalize it, and
Speaker 11: I want that channeled in what is going to be
Speaker 11: an enormous outburst of energy downrange to defeat this. The
Speaker 11: only way it's going to be defeated.
Speaker 2: Is at the ballot box.
Speaker 11: And when we win at the ballot box and close
Speaker 11: the deal this time, we can start to take this
Speaker 11: apparatus apart roches jail.
Speaker 12: They should get the death penalty.
Speaker 4: You know, we actually used to have the punishment for
Speaker 4: treason in this country for surectionally.
Speaker 12: Wow, they'll actually hurt us like they would execute us.
Speaker 13: Me.
Speaker 12: I'll just see you to speak for myself. And there
Speaker 12: would be an MSNBC panel of formal federal prosecutors telling
Speaker 12: their audience that they deserved it, and they'd be laughing,
Speaker 12: and the Lincoln Project would send out a congratulatory tweet.
Speaker 2: Now, like you have had a couple of nights to
Speaker 2: sleep on it, and you try to work out you
Speaker 2: try to think, Okay, is this the red line that
Speaker 2: now Trump is a convicted felon that you can no
Speaker 2: longer want him to win the presidency in November, or
Speaker 2: is it an example of a system that was twisted
Speaker 2: in every way possible to get the verdict so they
Speaker 2: could have the title of convicted felon. And I'll be
Speaker 2: honest with you. When I woke up and saw it
Speaker 2: all happening on Friday, and I was here on Friday
Speaker 2: with my dear friend Laura Jays, I was angry. I
Speaker 2: was angry because, as I've told you before, I've spent
Speaker 2: many a sleepless night watching the court case, watching it,
Speaker 2: trying to watch it on MSNBC, where they have nothing
Speaker 2: prosecutors telling you why everything pointed to guilty. And then,
Speaker 2: of course, my wonderful friend and much bigger brain than me,
Speaker 2: Meghan Kelly, I've been watching her show and talking to
Speaker 2: her on the air about why this was again stitched
Speaker 2: together to get the result that they got. So no
Speaker 2: doubt you. If you are somebody who would like to
Speaker 2: see Trump return to the presidency, or even more importantly,
Speaker 2: like to see Biden removed from the presidency, this has
Speaker 2: been an odd weekend because to the lefties amongst us,
Speaker 2: this is the point of our return. How could you
Speaker 2: possibly think anything other than a jury of his peers
Speaker 2: found him guilty. Well, of course that's true. But just
Speaker 2: as I said about a black man on trial in
Speaker 2: deep dark parts of the American South, you would know
Speaker 2: that the system is moved in certain ways to get
Speaker 2: that result. And I believe that that is what happened
Speaker 2: here in New York. Now, I believe when it comes
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump that this was not the line. This
Speaker 2: was not the moment to take us into the criminal
Speaker 2: prosecution of a former president. I think the retention of
Speaker 2: documents in Mari Lago, Yeah, that's okay, because it's about
Speaker 2: his time as the president. The evidence seems pretty obvious
Speaker 2: there that when given multiple opportunities to hand back what
Speaker 2: are documents that the public own and literally everything from
Speaker 2: a post it note that you write in the White
Speaker 2: House through to almost everything that's produced during your presidency,
Speaker 2: Yes you have to give it back. Now. Yes Joe
Speaker 2: Biden didn't give it back. Yes there are other examples,
Speaker 2: but that's a federal trial. But that federal trial has
Speaker 2: been delayed so probably won't be dealt with before the election.
Speaker 2: So I personally feel that the wrong thing happened. But again,
Speaker 2: it's a weird moment because the people who hate Donald
Speaker 2: Trump take this conversation I'm having with you right now
Speaker 2: and say there they are in denial of the truth,
Speaker 2: just like they were after the election. I wasn't in
Speaker 2: an election denier. It was obvious. It was clear that yes,
Speaker 2: everyone did their part, and everyone changed the system as
Speaker 2: best as they could. But still the legal result was
Speaker 2: that Trump lost twenty twenty. In the couple of years
Speaker 2: between twenty and twenty two, there was an active conversation
Speaker 2: about whether the world had moved on from Trump or not.
Speaker 2: But the reality was, as we saw with the primary process,
Speaker 2: that Republican voters in the United States forget what we
Speaker 2: think in Australia. They believe that there is unfinished business
Speaker 2: in the Trump candidacy and potentially a second term of
Speaker 2: the Trump presidency. Now, the truth about how we all
Speaker 2: feel in Australia is of course irrelevant because we don't
Speaker 2: have a vote. But the direction of America is what
Speaker 2: sets it for the Western world, and many of us
Speaker 2: believe that Joe Biden's taken it in the wrong direction.
Speaker 2: So if the person to take down Biden is Trump,
Speaker 2: well then you're forced into a scenario of backing the
Speaker 2: imperfect candidate, a candidate who yes, now has thirty four
Speaker 2: convictions against him. But tonight, I also wanted to do
Speaker 2: something apart from just talk through some of the emotions,
Speaker 2: because it is implicated, right. It's not frown face, it's
Speaker 2: not sookie time. It's just complicated because, like you, I've
Speaker 2: lost friends over being even Trump literate, litt alone pro Trump.
Speaker 2: At times I was mocked and who cares we lead
Speaker 2: with our chin, but mocked because I interviewed the president
Speaker 2: and I didn't ask the question that they wanted asked.
Speaker 2: So I know what this is like when polite society
Speaker 2: is over here and you are sometimes not where polite
Speaker 2: society is. But we'll all find out together in November
Speaker 2: about whether it's where the American people are. But tonight
Speaker 2: I wanted to, just like when we do a by election,
Speaker 2: a state election, a budget or a federal election, try
Speaker 2: to bring it down to five things. Now, it's not
Speaker 2: five things that you need to know about what happened
Speaker 2: in the court, because we've all seen what happened in
Speaker 2: the court. We all saw that the judge probably should
Speaker 2: have recused himself because he literally donated against Trump pro Biden,
Speaker 2: And you would think exactly the same thing if it
Speaker 2: we say, Joe Biden on trial in the most pro
Speaker 2: Trump state. But of course that is not the reality.
Speaker 2: The reality is, of course, what's happened to Trump. But
Speaker 2: he's five things, the five questions that I have been asked,
Speaker 2: be it at the servo or be it at anyone
Speaker 2: have had the chance to talk to this weekend, let
Speaker 2: alone the ones that I think we should just try
Speaker 2: to answer so we all understand the process and that
Speaker 2: we're too from here. So five things that we need
Speaker 2: to know begins with what happens next. Now I've read
Speaker 2: an awful lot on this, but let's go from say
Speaker 2: the ABC America, which is not like ours. It's a
Speaker 2: commercial network, the ABC America reporting about what happens next.
Speaker 2: So between now and July the eleventh, there'll be a
Speaker 2: thing called a pre sentencing investigation. Now, this is where
Speaker 2: literally somebody will do a mental health check on the
Speaker 2: former president. Would he be able to serve time in jail?
Speaker 2: Is he physically able to do so, all the rest
Speaker 2: of it. They will also put together a thing called
Speaker 2: a probation report, which is if the decision was made
Speaker 2: for him not to go to jail. Well, what limits
Speaker 2: could be put on his life now? Obviously everything from
Speaker 2: a suspended sentence to thirty days stuck at home, no phone, house,
Speaker 2: arrest store, of course, the same period of time in jail.
Speaker 2: You also need to know that when it comes to
Speaker 2: jail and Donald Trump, that yes, he would actually have
Speaker 2: to have his Secret Service with him. See, all presidents
Speaker 2: for the rest of their life are called mister President, unless,
Speaker 2: of course, it was in this courtroom and it was
Speaker 2: just mister Trump, mister Trump, mister Trump, but still the
Speaker 2: honorary the title of mister President travels with you until
Speaker 2: your death, as does Secret Service to physically secure you. Now,
Speaker 2: some presidents also have full access and they make the
Speaker 2: most of the full access to get intelligence briefings, all
Speaker 2: the rest of it. And many of those things have
Speaker 2: been cut off by the Biden administration because they believe
Speaker 2: that Trump does not deserve or should not have access
Speaker 2: to that information. But then back into the court, both
Speaker 2: the prosecution and the defense will have their opportunity to
Speaker 2: turn around and say what they think should happen. Now.
Speaker 2: Alvin Bragg, who is the prosecutor on Friday, was asked,
Speaker 2: will you be pushing for jail. He did not say so,
Speaker 2: but in previous times he has said that he would
Speaker 2: be pushing for jail. Obviously, the defense will firstly turn
Speaker 2: around and say, ignore what the jury said, that's not
Speaker 2: going to happen, or give us the lightest possible touch here,
Speaker 2: maybe a fine, maybe a suspended sentence. But all of
Speaker 2: this comes down to the decision of the judge, who
Speaker 2: is the same judge who's been all the way through
Speaker 2: the process, from the grand jury looking at the information,
Speaker 2: to the selection of the jury, to the running of
Speaker 2: the trial to the watching of the verdict. That judge,
Speaker 2: Judge Michon, will now hand down his sentence on July
Speaker 2: the eleventh. Now, what is amazing about that date is
Speaker 2: literally just four days later, the president, the former president
Speaker 2: of the United States, will be accepting the Republican nomination
Speaker 2: at the Republican Convention. Now, if he decided to jail him,
Speaker 2: he could jail him immediately, or the expectation is that
Speaker 2: because of the appeal process, the sentence would stand, but
Speaker 2: it would just keep being delayed until the appeal process finishes.
Speaker 2: Now Trump will appeal. I'll get to the details of
Speaker 2: why they think that will be successful in a moment.
Speaker 2: But let's deal with number two here, will Trump go
Speaker 2: to jail? Now, again, we're going off the what happens
Speaker 2: next here. So NBC, when they had a reporter who
Speaker 2: apparently had spoken to a bunch of other people behind
Speaker 2: the scenes, said this about whether or not he will
Speaker 2: be going to jail as a result of these thirty
Speaker 2: four convictions.
Speaker 4: Here's the deal.
Speaker 6: He's going to be sentenced on July eleventh. From what
Speaker 6: legal experts have told us, it is unlikely that the
Speaker 6: former president will end up behind bars. Obviously that is
Speaker 6: a possibility. There is a chance that it happens. But remember,
Speaker 6: he is a first time offender. This is a non
Speaker 6: violent set of crimes that he's been convicted of, these
Speaker 6: falsification of business records here, and so the guidance from
Speaker 6: the folks who are immersed and steeped in the law
Speaker 6: of it all is that it is unlikely that Judge
Speaker 6: Murshan would sentence him.
Speaker 2: Now, of course, the rathers that say no, slam dunk,
Speaker 2: he should send him to job. But again I'm trying
Speaker 2: to show you the reporting from America that is showing
Speaker 2: what all of the options are. Over on CNN, again,
Speaker 2: one of their legal analysts doesn't think that he's going
Speaker 2: to go to jail, But of course it's completely up
Speaker 2: to the judge, and the judges we know throughout the
Speaker 2: trial pretty much has said no to everything the defense wants,
Speaker 2: including witnesses that the defense claimed would have been able
Speaker 2: to prove that he was innocent. Instead, he pumped up
Speaker 2: everything that the prosecution wanted. So is he going to
Speaker 2: be on the harder side of things. We'll all find
Speaker 2: out together, But he's CNN.
Speaker 14: If we look at the universe of Class E convictions
Speaker 14: in New York State, and several good researchers out there
Speaker 14: have done sort of surveys over the last year or so, Generally,
Speaker 14: the estimates are that somewhere between seventy and ninety percent
Speaker 14: of Class E New York convictions result in non prison sentences,
Speaker 14: So that would be some combination of probation five perhaps
Speaker 14: community service by the Congress. Of that ten to thirty
Speaker 14: ish percent do result in prison time, and this will
Speaker 14: be entirely up to Judge Mursham.
Speaker 2: So it's a small chance, but still ten to thirty
Speaker 2: percent means if for whatever reason they thought that because
Speaker 2: you keep breaking the gag order, because you've never said sorry,
Speaker 2: because you double down because you say the process is
Speaker 2: read let alone. If it's a bias care room, there
Speaker 2: is a avenue, but it is the unlikely avenue again
Speaker 2: based off what they're reporting in America, and I know
Speaker 2: that you can find an expert that'll tell you one
Speaker 2: hundred percent this way, one hundred percent that way. I'm
Speaker 2: trying to give you a flavor of where things are
Speaker 2: going to go. I've given you my opinion at the start,
Speaker 2: but as always, we're trying to follow the data for
Speaker 2: you here. So number three, if you don't go to jail,
Speaker 2: as you go to jail straight away. Now remember that's
Speaker 2: four days before the Republican convention. So if he was
Speaker 2: going to sentence him to jail, obviously it happens on
Speaker 2: that day and he goes or maybe not. Again, it's
Speaker 2: all down to the judge. Mahon is a person who
Speaker 2: literally left wing prosecution. Former prosecution people were on MSNBC
Speaker 2: saying that had a man crush on him because he
Speaker 2: was the most amazing example of a normal judge. But
Speaker 2: of course the X factor here isn't just whether he
Speaker 2: would go to jail or not, but of course what
Speaker 2: happens those couple of days later, and as I mentioned
Speaker 2: to you, Trump turning up at the Republican Convention like
Speaker 2: he did WWE style, I do love this entrance. I
Speaker 2: do love this entrance. Good bit of theater. But at WWE,
Speaker 2: I think involved in all of that. After all, he's
Speaker 2: a Hall of Famer in the World Wrestling entertainment, in
Speaker 2: the celebrity wing. For those who want to follow the facts,
Speaker 2: the convention is literally the next week, so again fascinating.
Speaker 2: If he's sent to jail, does he miss the convention
Speaker 2: or because of as I said before, the appeals process,
Speaker 2: even if he's sent to jail, he doesn't actually go
Speaker 2: to jail straight away again CNN.
Speaker 14: If Donald Trump does get a prison sentence imposed on
Speaker 14: him on July eleventh, odds are very very high he
Speaker 14: will not have to start serving that sentence right away
Speaker 14: because in a case like this, he's very likely to
Speaker 14: get what we call bail pending appeal, meaning he will
Speaker 14: almost certainly not have to begin serving any sentence until
Speaker 14: after all of his appeals are done.
Speaker 2: And that process will not be this year. Most likely.
Speaker 2: The expectation is the appeal process could go through until
Speaker 2: next year. Next year, we're of course, he's the president
Speaker 2: of the United States. Now, interestingly, in that process, this
Speaker 2: is a state court decision. So whether a state court
Speaker 2: can somehow force a president to jail, I don't know.
Speaker 2: Or whether it's something that starts the day you finished
Speaker 2: being president again, I don't know. So then there's the
Speaker 2: question of the appeal. Now I've been led to believe
Speaker 2: by the experts that I've been watching and reading that
Speaker 2: the appeal process would be pretty friendly to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: But of course I've been viewing it that way. Why
Speaker 2: because I don't think you should have been found guilty
Speaker 2: in this case, because in my belief that it wasn't proven.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't matter what I say, that jury made
Speaker 2: its decision. Our dear friend, Megan Kelly explains why she's
Speaker 2: so confident he will win an appeal, but it could
Speaker 2: take up to a year.
Speaker 8: This will be reversed. It will be reversed. This will
Speaker 8: not stand, mark my words, even in a New York
Speaker 8: appella court system that is weighted with Democrats on the bench.
Speaker 8: The highest court in New York is called the Court
Speaker 8: of Appeals. It's not completely corrupt. It just overturned the
Speaker 8: conviction of Harvey Weinstein because he wasn't given a fair trial.
Speaker 8: They are capable of reaching a rational decision, and if
Speaker 8: they're not, this could be appealed up higher still to
Speaker 8: the US Supreme Court. There were state constitutional violations here,
Speaker 8: and there were federal constitutional violations here.
Speaker 2: And again this is why I'm sitting up in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night and feeling and we're not quite
Speaker 2: going in the direction that common sense would dictate. Not
Speaker 2: about blind faith about Trump. As I say, Document's case.
Speaker 2: I think there's a pretty clear case there that is
Speaker 2: very difficult for him to defend. But of course we're
Speaker 2: talking with Megan later in the week, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to take a big chunk of time tonight not to
Speaker 2: just talk about the opinion, but to talk about the machine.
Speaker 2: So you now know when people ask you, so, can
Speaker 2: he appeal, Yes, he can appeal. Will he go to jail? Unlikely?
Speaker 2: But still the option is there if he goes, If
Speaker 2: he gets sentenced, does he get slotted straight away? Well, no,
Speaker 2: you have to wait for the appeal process. Again, there's
Speaker 2: very very minor ways where he could go to jail
Speaker 2: straight away, But we're trying to deal with what is
Speaker 2: more likely than not so then the obvious has there
Speaker 2: been any immediate political sign here that guilty equals Trump
Speaker 2: going from leading the race to suddenly going the other
Speaker 2: way in Biden getting up and over the top. That's,
Speaker 2: of course proving the central thesis of Trump and all
Speaker 2: of his supporters that all of this is political. He
Speaker 2: was winning in all the polls to this point, and
Speaker 2: is this the moment that sends the race to the
Speaker 2: other direction. So, as you know, it's not about fifty states,
Speaker 2: they all have an election, it's seven states that end
Speaker 2: up mattering. These are seven states that voted for Trump,
Speaker 2: voted against Trump, might be coming back to Trump. And
Speaker 2: according to the latest Real Clear Politics Average, Now that's
Speaker 2: a website that literally looks at every single poll, does
Speaker 2: the mats, does the averaging. It shows that Trump is
Speaker 2: in the lead in Wisconsin, Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Nevada. Now,
Speaker 2: even if the average is slightly slightly generous to Trump,
Speaker 2: that only takes one two states off the table. So
Speaker 2: I'll be leading in five of the seven right now.
Speaker 2: But Forbes magazine, they had a look at a Morning
Speaker 2: Consult poll which just came out in the past twenty
Speaker 2: four hours, and it does show some signs that those
Speaker 2: margins may well get changed, and changed pretty quickly. In fact,
Speaker 2: they claim that ten percent of Republicans in the reutter
Speaker 2: IPSOS poll survey of two and a half thousand Americans
Speaker 2: are less likely to vote for Trump because of the
Speaker 2: conviction eighteen percent of independence so they are more likely
Speaker 2: to vote for Trump. So there are of course more
Speaker 2: Republicans and there are in pons, so statistically that would
Speaker 2: still end up with Trump having fewer votes. It's explained
Speaker 2: again this way on NBC News. I'm trying to show
Speaker 2: you the sources that are not friendly to Trump, and
Speaker 2: NBC goes through this pole as.
Speaker 3: Well, eleven percent of GOP voters and twenty six percent
Speaker 3: of independent voters suggesting they're less likely to vote for
Speaker 3: him now, but largely the historic conviction keeping the Bait
Speaker 3: and Trump rematch in that scene month's long deadluck.
Speaker 2: So in that one they have Biden just in front
Speaker 2: by one point, but that's nationally, not in the seven
Speaker 2: states that matter. Obviously, as this week rolls on, the
Speaker 2: next couple of weeks will start to get even more poles.
Speaker 2: But the final word on the polls and about whether
Speaker 2: this is moving or not. Let's dig even deeper into
Speaker 2: the data. And five point thirty eight is a website
Speaker 2: which is owned by ABC News in America, again the
Speaker 2: commercial station, not like our ABC here, and they deep
Speaker 2: dive into every little this, that and the other. It's
Speaker 2: one of the sources that I turn to to try
Speaker 2: to file through things. They are a bunch of lefties,
Speaker 2: but still they say here that the movement, yes, might
Speaker 2: be away from Trump, but it's not towards Biden.
Speaker 9: In terms of kind of their raw support. Donald Trump's
Speaker 9: number goes down by six points, but Joe Biden's number
Speaker 9: only goes up by one point. What's happening here is that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, another BFD.
Speaker 9: Yeah, what's happening here is that Trump supporters in these
Speaker 9: polls are going from Trump to undecided or I believe
Speaker 9: one of the polls had kind of a vague quote
Speaker 9: someone else's option. That is a very convenient place for
Speaker 9: people who want to vote for Trump to park their
Speaker 9: support for basically the next month or so.
Speaker 2: So well, all of the attention, all of the noise
Speaker 2: had there, could you possibly support Donald Trump? That's where
Speaker 2: potentially that vote may go before it goes back to
Speaker 2: Trump now. Of course, between now and the judge making
Speaker 2: his decision on the eleventh of July, there'll be a
Speaker 2: presidential debate. Trump could kill it or kill is chances
Speaker 2: because we know when it comes to debating, he's got
Speaker 2: to control himself. But that debate is very different than
Speaker 2: the one that happened four years ago. Remember, no studio audience,
Speaker 2: microphones can be cut off. It's very pro Biden scenario.
Speaker 2: But there's plenty between now and then. So at this stage,
Speaker 2: a couple of days after it, Yes, there's a moment
Speaker 2: in the polls. Yes, it is away from Trump, but
Speaker 2: according to them, it is not directly to Biden. So
Speaker 2: the five things that you need to know, he's the
Speaker 2: simple yes no answers. Okay. I explained about what happens next,
Speaker 2: where we go through the process of working out his sentence,
Speaker 2: which comes down on July the eleventh. It is assumed
Speaker 2: to be a lower chance that he goes to jail.
Speaker 2: He would not have to go to jail right away.
Speaker 2: He would be able to appeal, and the suggestion is
Speaker 2: that the way the judge ram things would be one
Speaker 2: of the main reasons he'd go for the appeal and
Speaker 2: potentially win it if you agree with me that it
Speaker 2: was a somewhat unfair process, not exactly middle of the road.
Speaker 2: And I've just explained the polls to you, So there
Speaker 2: you go. My thoughts, my feelings and the data about
Speaker 2: Donald Trump found guilty thirty four times in a row
Speaker 2: in New York. Now this will get him going in
Speaker 2: camber because Parliament's back again this week. What do the
Speaker 2: current Prime Minister of Australia and the former president of
Speaker 2: the United States have in common. Well, they can never
Speaker 2: admit a mistake. They can never admit that anything they
Speaker 2: did was just wrong. Perfect example Andrew Giles, the Immigration Minister. Now,
Speaker 2: of course, as you know, decision was made by Anthony
Speaker 2: Arbernese to help out just Center Durn with her domestic
Speaker 2: politics before she of course quit the post and Labor
Speaker 2: lost the New Zealand election. Made the decision to introduce
Speaker 2: a new law that basically said, if you've got a
Speaker 2: connection to Australia, you can stay in Australia. This meant
Speaker 2: that people like a bloke from Africa who married an
Speaker 2: Indigenous woman was able to stay in the country because
Speaker 2: he had kids with that woman and apparently could play
Speaker 2: the Digitido. Stay here, don't get deported. But back to this,
Speaker 2: nothing's a mistake, Murray what hardcore partisan? The agriculture minister
Speaker 2: and a lot of people in the bush want me
Speaker 2: to talk about the agriculture minister from Brucebane, but I'll
Speaker 2: get to that. He was on television today and guess what,
Speaker 2: no mistake, despite the fact that they have admitted it
Speaker 2: was a mistake and they're going to change the law.
Speaker 15: Even the advice that Andrew Charles was provided by his
Speaker 15: department when making that direction indicated that there would be
Speaker 15: no impact on people where we were talking about serious
Speaker 15: offenses having been committed. Of course, that's not the way
Speaker 15: the AAT has interpreted it. They interpreted it in a
Speaker 15: way that was never intended by the government and that's
Speaker 15: exactly why we're now taking action to fix it.
Speaker 2: We changed the rules. They interpreted the rules as they
Speaker 2: are written. It's the public servant's fault that we didn't
Speaker 2: get advised that they could have interpreted the rules as
Speaker 2: they were written. But clearly the admission of the mistake
Speaker 2: was the Prime Minister saying that they would change the rules.
Speaker 5: Right the Parliament yesterday past legislation abolishing of the raw
Speaker 5: toed AAT and replacing it with a new Administrative Review Tribunal.
Speaker 5: And the only effective way of ensuring that tribunal members
Speaker 5: are making better decisions is to issue a new revised direction,
Speaker 5: which the Minister will be doing. The new directive will
Speaker 5: ensure that the protection the committee outweighs any other.
Speaker 2: It's just like Trump, you never meet you wrong, never, never,
Speaker 2: never never ever. Just like Daniel Andrews, you never have
Speaker 2: met you wrong, ever, ever, no matter what you're caught doing,
Speaker 2: what you're caught saying, or what you end up changing.
Speaker 2: So yes, Albau is each way albo heir of us
Speaker 2: elbow and now he's kind of trumpy elbow now like
Speaker 2: everyone in Australia of reasonable mindset. I love Josh Frodenberg.
Speaker 2: I think he's an excellent man who was a wonderful
Speaker 2: I said to his community in Couyoon. What he did
Speaker 2: here on the air last week when it came to
Speaker 2: the conversation of anti Semitism, was one of the most
Speaker 2: watched things we've ever done. Beautiful piece of programming. Well done, mate.
Speaker 2: But there's always this question about whether he wants to
Speaker 2: get back involved in politics or not. Now, do I
Speaker 2: think you should be in the parliament. Yes, of course
Speaker 2: I think you should be in the parliament. I love
Speaker 2: the guy, but there's a couple of questions we have
Speaker 2: to ask about whether he should jump back into the
Speaker 2: parliament now. Now you see on Friday they announced the
Speaker 2: new boundaries for Victorian and Western Australian seats at the election.
Speaker 2: Believe me, you can get lost in the weeds here.
Speaker 2: I will not bore you, but basically Couyong is now
Speaker 2: going to be moved some of its boundaries to have
Speaker 2: a lot more liberal vote in it, which would be
Speaker 2: incredibly tempting for Josh to jump back in and say,
Speaker 2: I you only just beat me. This might be the
Speaker 2: way for me to just beat you or blow past it.
Speaker 2: Karen Andrews, the former Home Affairs minister who's taking a
Speaker 2: bat and ball and leaving at this election. By the way,
Speaker 2: she says that Josh Friedenberg, in my view, with someone
Speaker 2: that we need to bring back to the Liberal Party
Speaker 2: and Indo federal politics. I think we have an opportunity
Speaker 2: to revisit this blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. But here's my advice to Joosh if he
Speaker 2: wants to run full support, great, but you've got a
Speaker 2: great job, pile up the money, take care of your
Speaker 2: family and if you want to get back in politics
Speaker 2: next election or maybe the one after that. Right, not
Speaker 2: because I want Menique Ryan to stay in the Parliament,
Speaker 2: but I actually think that the Liberal Party has got
Speaker 2: a pretty good shot in the person that they have
Speaker 2: actually pre selected for the seat of Kuyon. And let's
Speaker 2: not deal with all of the politics of a bloke
Speaker 2: wanting to get back into parliament and pushing a woman
Speaker 2: out of the way. Why do you want to do
Speaker 2: that to yourself? All right? Again, if Josh wants to
Speaker 2: get back in, if people want to get out of
Speaker 2: the way, we'll all back in Josh, no question, right,
Speaker 2: But I just say, you've got a great job at
Speaker 2: Goldman Sachs. Pile up the cash. If you want to
Speaker 2: speak out on important issues, you've shown you've been able
Speaker 2: to do that in the past couple of weeks. All right,
Speaker 2: but we'll wait and see what happens. But about those
Speaker 2: boundary changes, So one seat has been removed completely and
Speaker 2: taken off the board. It is currently a labor seat,
Speaker 2: the seat of Higgins, formerly a seat in the Liberal
Speaker 2: seat for a very long period of time, a former doctor,
Speaker 2: former boss of the AMA I think in Victoria is
Speaker 2: the current MP, the former MP Katie Allen I think
Speaker 2: was a good chance of taking the seat back. Why
Speaker 2: because well it's a different politics than it was a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. It was only just a win
Speaker 2: here for the MP. So that seat is now off
Speaker 2: the table. So there's all suggestions about where should Katie
Speaker 2: Allen go and where should this MP go again. I
Speaker 2: won't bore you with it. I'm not anti Josh by
Speaker 2: the way. I'm just saying, just make the money, just
Speaker 2: feed up, make the money right and put it all
Speaker 2: behind the young lady who's trying to defeat Menique Ryan,
Speaker 2: so you don't have to run on the record of
Speaker 2: previous governments and all the new usual garbage. They can go.
Speaker 2: Be a bit hard for them to do the ulgerd
Speaker 2: boog of politics about the young woman, as they would
Speaker 2: about anyone involved in the previous government. But as for
Speaker 2: the actual seats, now quite a few seats could change
Speaker 2: hands at this next election, because the seat of Higgins disappears,
Speaker 2: Labor down one cou Yong well as I said, it
Speaker 2: becomes a lot more liberal. Albourne currently Green becomes more liberal,
Speaker 2: but it's that lefty liberal, so I wouldn't expect to
Speaker 2: change there. Wills, which is currently held by the Labour Party,
Speaker 2: the former seat of Bob Hawk, it gets a lot
Speaker 2: more Green voters and that's why the Green's leader in
Speaker 2: the Upper House in Victoria has stepped down to take
Speaker 2: on the Labour MP. And Cooper, which is also held
Speaker 2: by the ALP, becomes a little bit more Green. Menzies
Speaker 2: becomes a lot more ALP Deacon becomes a lot more ALP.
Speaker 2: So you can do the sums here about weather. There's
Speaker 2: a chance that a couple of seats go from Liberal
Speaker 2: to Labor and Labor to Liberal, but essentially it's a
Speaker 2: shuffling around of the same deck in the next little while.
Speaker 2: But we will find out what is about to happen
Speaker 2: in what seat disappears in New South Wales, and then
Speaker 2: what's going to happen in Queensland. All of where the
Speaker 2: map is helps tell us whether the result is going
Speaker 2: to be one way or the other. Now, one question
Speaker 2: I want to ask the good people of Queensland who
Speaker 2: I love. I will say it every time. If I
Speaker 2: could have the blood transfusions to be a Queensland I would.
Speaker 2: I wish, I wish, I wish that I could vote
Speaker 2: the upcoming election because Queensland needs a new start. It
Speaker 2: needs to get rid of Stephen Miles, It needs to
Speaker 2: get rid of the Labor government. You know all of
Speaker 2: the reasons why, from youth crime to hospitals to their
Speaker 2: financial management. They are shockers. Get rid of them. And
Speaker 2: every pole tells us to this point that yeah, that's
Speaker 2: probably going to be the case. They could lose as
Speaker 2: many as twenty something seats that had blast them right
Speaker 2: back into opposition, not as bad of course as the
Speaker 2: annibly loss a few years ago. But Stephen Miles, well,
Speaker 2: he believes that he's got a special idea here. He
Speaker 2: thinks that he may well be able to turn the
Speaker 2: situation from people ignoring him at the polls like they
Speaker 2: did at a buy election in a safe Labor seat
Speaker 2: a few months ago, into holding onto power. Why because
Speaker 2: one thousand dollars is coming your way via credits when
Speaker 2: electricity companies, or as the Treasurer said, if you fill
Speaker 2: out this form and push it that way, you may
Speaker 2: end up with a thousand dollars in your pocket. So
Speaker 2: I asked the question. Then I repeat it, now, can
Speaker 2: you buy an election?
Speaker 10: Now?
Speaker 2: I don't think the people of Queensland are that stupid
Speaker 2: at all. I think that they would take the money
Speaker 2: it still vote the other way. But the unions are
Speaker 2: doing their bit to try to change the narrative that
Speaker 2: they've already bottomed out. And unions, including one that is
Speaker 2: very close to Stephen Miles, has put out a pole
Speaker 2: and it got headlines and it suggested that the Labour
Speaker 2: Party's vote is coming up as a result of, among
Speaker 2: other things, the one thousand dollars payment. But this is
Speaker 2: a pile which is paid for by a union that
Speaker 2: is pro labor. It shows Labour's vote is up by
Speaker 2: three percent, it shows everyone else's vote is down, but
Speaker 2: it also shows sixteen percent of people are undecided. So
Speaker 2: I reckon this pile had a lot of wish and
Speaker 2: a lot of hope, and a lot of leaning and
Speaker 2: a lot of pushing to get to where they wanted.
Speaker 2: But they got a headline out of it. And if
Speaker 2: they got a headline out of it, well that's the
Speaker 2: whole point of politics, to try to change the narrative,
Speaker 2: all right, let's get into the debate right now. We
Speaker 2: will do so in a moment's time. No loooks, no
Speaker 2: left this on Sunday night, looking forward to James Ashby
Speaker 2: in a moment or two time. Also, what is your
Speaker 2: bold prediction for the weak ahead? Jump onto the socials
Speaker 2: Philip Thompson joints us from Canberra as well as things
Speaker 2: now start to circle the Prime Minister's office not just
Speaker 2: that idiot Andrew Giles Monast. Thank you so much for watching,
Speaker 2: and thank you for the very patient waitings of none
Speaker 2: other than the wonderful James Ashby, who was of course
Speaker 2: running for the seat of Keppel and the upcoming Queensland election.
Speaker 2: Get rid of the government, get rid of the government
Speaker 2: and our old libertarian mate Christy Abram the single best
Speaker 2: thing to come out of the Dunkley by election. Love
Speaker 2: to see you rock stars, all right? So the Trump star, James,
Speaker 2: the former President's been on Fox News today. I'll show
Speaker 2: you a grab it him in a second. But just
Speaker 2: your thoughts on plenty I had to say before or
Speaker 2: what you're thinking a couple of days.
Speaker 1: After, mate, You're right across this.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I love the idea of the Secret Service having
Speaker 16: to go out of prison with him. I've just got
Speaker 16: this funny feeling. I'd love to see the guest list
Speaker 16: of who goes and visits him in prison. You never
Speaker 16: know it might actually bring back. Do you remember how
Speaker 16: Johnny Cash used to go out of the prison system
Speaker 16: and play to the to the prisoners.
Speaker 1: A whole new revival.
Speaker 16: Could you imagine which artists would come and play for
Speaker 16: Trumpet prison?
Speaker 1: Imagine something that's really care To be honest.
Speaker 2: San Quentin, I hate every inchview you what a great
Speaker 2: song and Foalsham Prison Blues exactly. Kristen, how do you
Speaker 2: feel about it?
Speaker 17: Look, I'm gonna have to break it down with you, Paul.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 17: I don't know how it's going to impact the polls.
Speaker 17: But so he's been convicted and it wasn't a defamation case,
Speaker 17: it wasn't a harassment case. But Stormy Daniels has turned
Speaker 17: around and said she feels as though she's been vindicated
Speaker 17: by the guilty result. I don't understand what she feels
Speaker 17: vindicated from, because to me, it's a stormy and a teacup.
Speaker 2: Well said, because remember the whole point of this, right,
Speaker 2: it wasn't did they or didn't they? Irrelevant? Right, it
Speaker 2: wasn't was there an NDA not illegal? Right? It was
Speaker 2: all about how it was put into the books. The
Speaker 2: bookkeeper anyway, won't bore them, the bookkeeper. They didn't call
Speaker 2: it right, they didn't call the federal elections people say, okay,
Speaker 2: we'll all see what happens. For his part, here is
Speaker 2: what Donald Trump had to say today on Fox News.
Speaker 13: Well, look, you know, I'm fighting for the Constitution. I'm
Speaker 13: fighting for the same thing that you three are. Watch
Speaker 13: you all the time, and same thing that you do.
Speaker 13: You fight for freedom, you fight for your country. These
Speaker 13: people are sick. They're sick, they're deranged.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 13: I talk about the enemy on the outside and the
Speaker 13: enemy from within.
Speaker 2: See if Russia, you have China, but if you have.
Speaker 13: A smart president, you always handle them quite easily. Actually
Speaker 13: we have a lot of advantages. But they're the enemy
Speaker 13: from within. They are doing damage to this country.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 2: Let's go back to Australia and Order ninety nine, the
Speaker 2: fact that the government is changing it. But no, we
Speaker 2: didn't make a mistake at all. Blame every and anyone
Speaker 2: they possibly could in every way. It's all now about
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister Andrew Clenell's reporting this morning here on
Speaker 2: Sky News was that the Prime Minister's department and they
Speaker 2: don't think do things just off on their own. Well,
Speaker 2: they were doing everything could to keep people guilty of
Speaker 2: crimes in Australia who should have been been ascending to
Speaker 2: New Zealand. That ended up being the policy with Direction
Speaker 2: ninety nine. James dear friend of mine said, look, I
Speaker 2: get it, but I don't care and no one cares.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's the case. Been front page
Speaker 2: news even in lefty media for some time. Do you
Speaker 2: think people care? And do you think people will now
Speaker 2: care even more that the PM's fingers are even more
Speaker 2: in this part?
Speaker 16: Yeah, I think this will be the undoing of the
Speaker 16: Prime Minister. Billy McMahon was always known as well. It's
Speaker 16: always been said that he was the worst prime minister
Speaker 16: this country has ever had. Well, I've got news for Billy.
Speaker 16: His family caressed easy. There is a new leader of
Speaker 16: this country that's going to take that mantle piece very quickly.
Speaker 16: That's the truth of the matter. People have had a
Speaker 16: gutful of the fact that we are not only putting
Speaker 16: up with people from other countries coming in here and
Speaker 16: committing penous crimes at the expense of Australians, but now
Speaker 16: we're having to keep them here as well. It's not washing.
Speaker 16: They've just got to get rid of Direction ninety nine.
Speaker 16: Don't read jigg it, just get rid of it. It's
Speaker 16: that easy. Run a red market through it and get
Speaker 16: it gone well.
Speaker 2: In the same way the Labor Party had to learn
Speaker 2: the lessons about boat turnbacks, they now have to learn
Speaker 2: their lesson about this, which is the system worked. It
Speaker 2: worked very well, no need to change it, but of
Speaker 2: course they do. Here is James Patterson on our ears
Speaker 2: speaking about all this.
Speaker 16: The Prime Minister should take responsibility and the least he
Speaker 16: can do is Sacky's immigration minister, but he should also
Speaker 16: take personal responsibility.
Speaker 2: Here kristin same question. Is this significant? Is this a
Speaker 2: red line being crossed? Or is this the don't care?
Speaker 17: The bock has to stop somewhere. I think people definitely care,
Speaker 17: because it's impacting our society by keeping these criminals here.
Speaker 17: If if it was good enough for Australia's heart throbs
Speaker 17: father to get deported Dustin Martin's father to get deported
Speaker 17: back to New Zealand, I agree with James, draw a
Speaker 17: red line through it. Get rid of it.
Speaker 2: Are you at Richmond fan? Are you are Tigers fan?
Speaker 2: And therefore not, I've got one on our team and
Speaker 2: I nothing. They can't do it. He dust Anyway, I
Speaker 2: get it. Now, let's talk about Josh, Josh, Fridenburg, James again,
Speaker 2: the redistribution, and let's not bore everyone, but basically, some
Speaker 2: things become a little more liberal, a little more green,
Speaker 2: a little more labor. Couyong becomes a little bit more liberal,
Speaker 2: which Josh Brodenberg, if you're sitting in there thinking I
Speaker 2: could win a rematch, my suggestion is just to him
Speaker 2: as a bloke, right, which is state Goldman, Sachs earn
Speaker 2: lots of money. See what happens when it comes to
Speaker 2: the new candidate. See what happens in a couple of
Speaker 2: years time. But what's your sense in and around whether
Speaker 2: Fredenburg should return to the pub?
Speaker 16: I never got that sense from Josh, to be honest,
Speaker 16: for all the years that we worked closely with him,
Speaker 16: when we had that balance of power within the Senate,
Speaker 16: Josh was always somebody that was in politics for the
Speaker 16: right reasons. Wasn't about the money. So you can cross
Speaker 16: that off the list here. And Mattias Corman. I'd have
Speaker 16: to say we're two of the best operators in that parliament.
Speaker 16: Now Mattis was the best, Josh was the second best.
Speaker 16: What Peter Dutton lacks is somebody like at Josh Fredenberg
Speaker 16: behind the scenes that can actually pull the.
Speaker 1: Liberal Party together.
Speaker 16: Josh is more moderate than what Peter Dutton is, so
Speaker 16: he has this charm and ability. He's got a very
Speaker 16: good working relationship with both sides within the Liberals and
Speaker 16: also too with the Nationals.
Speaker 1: Now where I see.
Speaker 16: A problem here is Josh becomes a distraction for Peter
Speaker 16: Dutton because there's always going to be that media speculation
Speaker 16: that Josh is only coming back for the top job,
Speaker 16: because let's face it, Josh's ambitious. Of course, it was
Speaker 16: very good treasurer and I think he'd be a great
Speaker 16: fallback position as Prime Minister material as well for the country.
Speaker 1: But it will act as a distraction.
Speaker 16: So these are the questions that the Liberal Party will
Speaker 16: have to face, These questions that Josh will have to
Speaker 16: face as well. And like you say, is it worth
Speaker 16: an extra few years on the sideline and come back
Speaker 16: later so that there are no distractions and so that
Speaker 16: Peter Dutton can actually get in there and destroy Labor
Speaker 16: at this next.
Speaker 2: Look, I'm going to be creative too here, Kristin, which is,
Speaker 2: if he does come back, Okay, cool, Let's just do
Speaker 2: what the Labour Party did with Bob Hawk, which was
Speaker 2: essentially run him as the opposition leader without a seat.
Speaker 2: Why not run him as the shadow treasurer without a
Speaker 2: seat to try to take on the economic conversation which
Speaker 2: clearly will be huge at the next election.
Speaker 17: Well, selfishly, as a Victorian, what I actually want is
Speaker 17: for him to come to state politics here in Victoria,
Speaker 17: because we don't have an opposition here in Victoria. Get
Speaker 17: rid of John Persudo and put Josh Freinberg in to
Speaker 17: lead a unleadable ship at the moment, because the only
Speaker 17: opposition that we have right now is David Limbrick, and
Speaker 17: we actually need better opposition to labor machine down here.
Speaker 2: Ken. I love that bloke, Love David limbrig and love
Speaker 2: the work that he's doing in the Upper House. I
Speaker 2: hope that at some important time you get the opportunity
Speaker 2: to join him as well. My friend, All right now, James,
Speaker 2: you think long and hard about politics, as do I
Speaker 2: ask does Kristen of course, which is about the future
Speaker 2: and where it goes. We keep being told that the
Speaker 2: future is further to the left and there'll be no
Speaker 2: further movement towards the right, all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: Yet another giant piece of analysis comes out suggesting you
Speaker 2: pack up your bags if you're anyone but Labor or
Speaker 2: the Greens, because the future there is no vote for you.
Speaker 16: Yeah, the Greens are a scary concept to deal with
Speaker 16: in the mere fact that they are increasing in their vote,
Speaker 16: but I think a lot of that has to do
Speaker 16: with the fact that many Australians are disappointed with the
Speaker 16: two major parties. Both Labor and the Coalition are only
Speaker 16: sort of achieving in those thirty percent targets, and that's
Speaker 16: why the Greens seem to be growing in popularity. That's
Speaker 16: why other cross bench parties like One Nation as well
Speaker 16: have seen the LDP, the Catters, They've all seen considerable
Speaker 16: support over the last couple of years because there is
Speaker 16: that disappointment.
Speaker 1: And yes, they do chase that Green vote.
Speaker 16: But what people miss about the Greens is they're often hypocrites.
Speaker 16: They sit in that chamber and slag off against.
Speaker 1: Billionaires and millionaires, and yet.
Speaker 16: For the majority of those Greens sitting in our Senate
Speaker 16: and Lower House multiple homes. They certainly don't mind renting
Speaker 16: them out at top dollar. They want open borders. They're
Speaker 16: actually very very frightening from a communist perspective. That is
Speaker 16: the path they want to take Australia. And I think
Speaker 16: that if people open their eyes and if the media
Speaker 16: actually pushed back against the Greens on some of their policy,
Speaker 16: you'd actually see them break.
Speaker 1: And I think it's incumbent on the media out there.
Speaker 16: They've got to start treating the Greens as though they
Speaker 16: are a serious party, because the media, for some reason
Speaker 16: just tend to go, oh, it's just the Greens, don't
Speaker 16: worry about it. There's never any harsh questions asked of
Speaker 16: their policy.
Speaker 2: Well, I would suggest it's because many of the people
Speaker 2: in the gallery actually vote for them. But also it's
Speaker 2: just the idea that some of the things that have
Speaker 2: been said the racial staff that they say yet labor, No,
Speaker 2: we couldn't possibly put them lower than one nation, couldn't
Speaker 2: possibly put them last. That of course, where the liberals
Speaker 2: have to go Christian, no doubt you would think the
Speaker 2: future is libertarianism't But I'm out of time, so I'm
Speaker 2: going to ask you, what is your bold prediction for
Speaker 2: the week ahead.
Speaker 17: Oh, it's a pretty pretty grim prediction, Paul. So national
Speaker 17: minimum wage will get announced tomorrow. I'm predicting it's going
Speaker 17: to be between a five percent and five point five
Speaker 17: percent increase, which as a libertarian and a HR professional,
Speaker 17: I will say is going to have devastating impacts on
Speaker 17: our small businesses and there will be job losses. I
Speaker 17: hope that I'm wrong, but that is, unfortunately my prediction.
Speaker 2: That's it. I like it. I like it. I like
Speaker 2: the nerdy predictions. I love this stuff.
Speaker 16: James, you, oh my Giles will go nowhere again this week.
Speaker 16: He's safe as houses mate, so labor will continue protecting him.
Speaker 1: It's it's not their fault.
Speaker 2: Remember, it's never never never. It's very trumpy and off
Speaker 2: the missing them. Thank you guys, do appreciate We'll see
Speaker 2: you again next week. Thank you very much. To appreciate it.
Speaker 2: None other than Abraham and of course James Ashby. I'm
Speaker 2: sure you follow them all on socials, Quid break Back
Speaker 2: with More, Philip Thompson about that idiot Andrew Giles, and
Speaker 2: so much more. Oh so good to be able to
Speaker 2: talk to one of our favorites in the Parliament, none
Speaker 2: of them. The Great Phil Thompson, of course, represents the
Speaker 2: good people have heard. He's in the shadow ministry as well.
Speaker 2: Love you to see you, my friend.
Speaker 18: Good to see you, mate.
Speaker 2: So let's talk about Andrew Giles. Don't you love the
Speaker 2: spin out of the government. We don't make mistakes, We
Speaker 2: just do exactly the opposite of what we changed in
Speaker 2: the rules in and around immigration.
Speaker 1: Mate.
Speaker 18: He is a hopeless minister. I have never seen anything
Speaker 18: so incompetent in my life than watching Andrew Giles fumble
Speaker 18: around with the immigration portfolio. And as we saw last week,
Speaker 18: you had the Prime Minister throw a hospital pass and
Speaker 18: put him straight under the bus. He is not fit
Speaker 18: to be a minister. He's not fit to represent the
Speaker 18: immigration portfolio. And if the Prime Minister is not going
Speaker 18: to sack him, then the minister should stand up tomorrow
Speaker 18: morning and resign because he is putting people in the
Speaker 18: community at risk.
Speaker 2: What about this garbage that he says, Oh, no, we've
Speaker 2: been keeping people safe. Sure we don't put ankle bracelets
Speaker 2: on them, but we've got drones flying around to take
Speaker 2: photos of whether they're in the backyard or not.
Speaker 18: Yeah, and we've heard from that being debunked already. We
Speaker 18: know that this minister has no idea what's going on
Speaker 18: in his portfolio. He's released all these hardened criminals. There's
Speaker 18: pedophiles walking the street, murderers and rapers, and instead of
Speaker 18: kicking them out of the country or locking them back up.
Speaker 18: Remember we got recalled at the end of last year
Speaker 18: to pass emergency powers so we could prevent it, lock
Speaker 18: people up and keep them detained so we didn't have
Speaker 18: them walking around the street. But none of that's been
Speaker 18: an actor. None of that's happened. It was all smoke
Speaker 18: and mirrors. And if you have these dangerous criminals walking
Speaker 18: around where you live, where I live, where people in
Speaker 18: the community, going to parks where kids are playing, and
Speaker 18: they're not being monitored, these are dangers to our society.
Speaker 18: And for him to stand up and try and get
Speaker 18: all tough in Parliament and say I'm doing what the
Speaker 18: letter of the law, and he makes all this stuff
Speaker 18: up and it's not truthful. He should just stand up
Speaker 18: and say I'm sorry for what has happened. It is
Speaker 18: his fault and he should resign and the Prime Minister
Speaker 18: should find where his backbone isn't sack him, and if
Speaker 18: he's not willing to do it, then maybe he should
Speaker 18: have the top job.
Speaker 2: I'm with you completely. Let's talk about China, because today
Speaker 2: the Defense Ministar, after a meeting in Singapore, says, I
Speaker 2: definitely talk to the Chinese about the stuff they've been doing,
Speaker 2: particularly the helicopters. But come on, let's also deal with
Speaker 2: the reality that last week. The only reason we're hearing
Speaker 2: all of this stuff now is because they got caught
Speaker 2: red handed that despite speaking to every possible level, they
Speaker 2: didn't actually bother to pick up the phone. Do you
Speaker 2: believe that there was any sort of verbal pull out
Speaker 2: of China in Singapore by Richard Miles.
Speaker 18: I think Richard Miles has failed the Australian Defense Force.
Speaker 18: The deputy Prime Minister, part time Defense Force minister, has
Speaker 18: failed on two different occasions. The first one when we
Speaker 18: had navy divers in the water in a Chinese ship
Speaker 18: use sonar which injured our people. He didn't do anything,
Speaker 18: then didn't stand up, didn't stand behind him, didn't back
Speaker 18: them up and called China out for their bad behavior.
Speaker 18: And then only a couple of days later the Prime
Speaker 18: Minister met with Jijiping and he didn't raise it either.
Speaker 18: And then fast forward a couple of months, we've got
Speaker 18: a fighter jet, a Chinese fighter jet, firing flares at
Speaker 18: an Australian Navy helicopter. If one of those flares hit
Speaker 18: our helicopter, the experts have said that they may have
Speaker 18: had to ditch the airframe. Now, if you have to
Speaker 18: ditch an airframe over water, two things happen. It goes
Speaker 18: upside down quickly and it sinks at six meters second,
Speaker 18: So people were in Harmsuan could have been killed. Now
Speaker 18: did we see the deputy Prime Minister and part time
Speaker 18: Defense Minister stand up and call out jiujimp or call
Speaker 18: out the defense Minister.
Speaker 2: No, he didn't.
Speaker 1: He ran and hid.
Speaker 18: It's been twenty seven days since this incident. We've had
Speaker 18: the leader of the opposition have to stand up and
Speaker 18: call this out. We've had Andrew Hasty, the shadow Defense Minister,
Speaker 18: and myself as his deputy, have to call this out.
Speaker 18: We haven't seen him anywhere. And Mate, we heard that
Speaker 18: he was going to give this speech because he briefed.
Speaker 2: Out the media.
Speaker 18: He probably briefed out his mates in China.
Speaker 2: He's got form for that.
Speaker 18: I don't think that this was real at all, And
Speaker 18: to be honest, he should have done it twenty seven
Speaker 18: days ago.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. God, I love you. So this is
Speaker 2: exactly what we need, right, This is the steal in
Speaker 2: the spine. We really need people like Andrew and people
Speaker 2: like Phil on the side of defense, not this bloke,
Speaker 2: this being the defense minister roll the tape.
Speaker 19: We really want to have the most productive relationship that
Speaker 19: we can have with China.
Speaker 1: We want to be.
Speaker 19: Sensible, professional, respectful. We definitely do not want to, you know,
Speaker 19: gratuitously antagonize China. That's not what we're trying to do.
Speaker 19: But at the same time, it is important that we
Speaker 19: speak to our national interests.
Speaker 2: Philip's the yabba yaba that does me. Look, I get it,
Speaker 2: nobody wants to antagonize a country like China, but if
Speaker 2: they're going to almost kill our people, yeah, we're going
Speaker 2: to stand up.
Speaker 1: Correct, correct.
Speaker 18: And I think that the defenseman is a coward. I
Speaker 18: remember hearing just a couple of weeks ago when something
Speaker 18: similar as asked of him and he said, oh, well,
Speaker 18: we'll agree where we can and disagree where we must.
Speaker 18: Oh well, thanks genius, you really put the faith in
Speaker 18: me and every other servicemen and women in the country
Speaker 18: that you're the right person for the job. He clearly isn't,
Speaker 18: and I think he hates his portfolio. He's too worried about,
Speaker 18: you know, playing the back no One on the golf course.
Speaker 18: Then he is about standing up for our brave men
Speaker 18: and women who put.
Speaker 2: On the interfal Ye bloody. Thank you Philip. Nice to
Speaker 2: talk to you mate. All the best to you in
Speaker 2: Camber this week and then back in beautiful Townsville next week.
Speaker 2: All the best, mate, Thanks, thank you Philip Thompson there
Speaker 2: because of course the Assistant Shadow Defense Minister, along with
Speaker 2: many other things. But a very good man and very
Speaker 2: pleas he's in their parliament. All right, that's our show
Speaker 2: for tonight. The Royal Report coming up in a moment
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