WEBVTT - Why First Nations Representation is SO Important

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to First things First, I'm Brookglett, and my pronounce

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<v Speaker 1>are she and her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm Maady Meals. My pronouns are he and him.

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<v Speaker 2>And before we get started, we'd like to acknowledge the

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<v Speaker 2>custodians of the land on which we record. For me,

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<v Speaker 2>it is the gaddigle people of the urination.

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<v Speaker 1>And for me it's a under people of the cooler nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's get into it.

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<v Speaker 1>So someone's looking a bit wiser, a bit more sexier, juicier.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what. It all comes with age, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm going to doing your wise old.

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<v Speaker 2>Age twenty nine and feeling fine, except I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if I believe that you get wiser with age. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>tell you why. Last night I went out for my birthday,

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<v Speaker 2>my birthday dinner. It's been my first sober birthday. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to say this on air. It's been my first

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<v Speaker 2>sober birthday in thirteen years since I started drinking. I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like it's a different me. It's a new me.

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<v Speaker 2>But I want to talk about last night because my

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<v Speaker 2>birthday dinner. When you say you're getting wiser, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel so dumb. I literally went out for dinner

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<v Speaker 2>last night to this restaurant with my boyfriend and we

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<v Speaker 2>had been there six months prior and we loved it

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<v Speaker 2>and we were like, Okay, we have to go back

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<v Speaker 2>here at one point, so I was like, let's go

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<v Speaker 2>for my birthday. Great. We walk in, we choose the

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<v Speaker 2>set menu. It's like eight different dishes. They're coming out

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<v Speaker 2>one by one. We're enjoying this food. We get to

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<v Speaker 2>the end and I taste this taco. So it's a

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<v Speaker 2>Mexican place. I taste this tarco and a chicken tastes

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<v Speaker 2>like it's not cooked. And I was like, wait, is

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<v Speaker 2>this chicken cooked? It doesn't really taste like chicken has

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<v Speaker 2>that weird texture. And then I said to the lady,

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<v Speaker 2>so is this chicken? And she goes, no, everything is vegan.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had no idea that we were sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>a vegan restaurant and we ate vegan food. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so like pro meat, you know, gay, but like I

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<v Speaker 2>love my meat and gay, and I just was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>why are we ate? Like I literally had no idea

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<v Speaker 2>that I was in a vegan restaurant eating vegan food.

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<v Speaker 2>Props to that town good food, super early though, but

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<v Speaker 2>great food. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I've tried vegan food once and it did not

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<v Speaker 1>agree with me. But I I have eaten something and

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<v Speaker 1>not known what it was and then later been like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I would eat that again knowing

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<v Speaker 1>what it was, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, there was some little hints on the menu,

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<v Speaker 2>so like the tuna was no finn tuna and I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was just a type of tuna. And then

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<v Speaker 2>the chicken was chick apostrophe en and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>that's cute how they spelled chicken.

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<v Speaker 1>And ah, you said, it's just like an old like

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<v Speaker 1>marketing thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I totally thought that this was just them trying

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<v Speaker 2>to be cool with their words on a menu. Next minute,

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a vegan meal for dinner and I've been

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<v Speaker 2>sober on my twenty ninth birthday. I feel like I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a changed man.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a different version of yourself. Actually, that was good.

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<v Speaker 1>That takes me back to a video that I made

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<v Speaker 1>on social was a couple of weeks ago. I just

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<v Speaker 1>kept having this like ugly error where I was like

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<v Speaker 1>kept looking at myself, yeah, and I was like I

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<v Speaker 1>hate the way that I look. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, as you get older, you notice

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<v Speaker 1>things about yourself. And I try not to pick myself apart,

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<v Speaker 1>right because I'm trying to, you know, lead by example,

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<v Speaker 1>per se, and and that if you know, I'm teaching

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<v Speaker 1>other girls to have this confidence, they and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have that confidence, you know what I mean? And I

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<v Speaker 1>guess confidence is contextual. But you know, if I'm saying, oh, like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't pick yourself apart, and I'm picking myself apart, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a walking contradiction, right, So I try not to. But this, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a couple of months. I was just like

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<v Speaker 1>looking at myself and I was like, I don't recognize her,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I don't like her, I don't know her, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the only thing difference is there. I'm joking, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I just kept looking at the in the mirror being like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who that person is. And then just

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<v Speaker 1>one morning I did a therapy session and I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of expressed this can't this confusion, and my psychologist pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much just like bluntly had said, did you ever just

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<v Speaker 1>do you ever just think that maybe you're just a

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<v Speaker 1>different version of yourself and you've grown so much that

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<v Speaker 1>the person that you look at now is just not

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<v Speaker 1>the person that you were and looked at, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>ten years ago, a decade ago. Yeah, I mean I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think that's evolution, it's growth exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, well, why do I want to be

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<v Speaker 1>that person as well? Because that girl or that person,

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<v Speaker 1>that girl actually she was a girl. I'm a woman

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<v Speaker 1>now even though I look like fucking Edna from the

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<v Speaker 1>Incredibles today, I am a woman, Like I'm adulting, you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And how did you feel to put that on social media?

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<v Speaker 2>Being that vulnerable?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? You know what, I I just don't think about

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<v Speaker 1>anything these days when I'm putting on socials. I just

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<v Speaker 1>try to be my most genuine self. And if I

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<v Speaker 1>think I would post it and send it to you

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<v Speaker 1>per se, I would put it on socials. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>just I don't try to blow the lines like yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>of course we have put our shiny selves on yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for show on social media. But I've just

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<v Speaker 1>I'm learning to just not give a flying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on that I am on that same wavelength. Like recently,

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<v Speaker 2>my social media has sort of gone from being like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, shiny pictures and perfect images to me really

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<v Speaker 2>showing how I truly feel. And what like the funny

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<v Speaker 2>thing is is that I'm still putting like the shiny image,

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<v Speaker 2>but then as soon as someone slides across or swipes left,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like them having insight into how I really feel.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of those I've been loving this. By the way, well, the.

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<v Speaker 2>First post that I did was all about representation because

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so frustrated at you know, I'm twenty nine now

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm continuously fighting for opportunities and reaching out and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to get you know, more opportunities, not just for myself,

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<v Speaker 2>but for First Nations people in media. And so I wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>I put up this image and this meme, and I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote the caption how I feel after continuously pushing for

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<v Speaker 2>First Nation, for more First Nations representation in mainstream media,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I swipe across and it's like.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I want to see it. Notice it this It

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<v Speaker 1>is nay and it won't fucking do right.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do I doing it like he's doing this way?

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<v Speaker 2>Like no, I'm fucking trying to strain it down like no,

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<v Speaker 2>like going like whoop doodle, and like like to me,

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<v Speaker 2>that is exactly how I feel when I'm pushing for

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<v Speaker 2>First Nations representation. I'm like, I keep on like knocking

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<v Speaker 2>on these doors and keep on being like, hey, where's

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<v Speaker 2>the opportunities at And constantly I'm seeing white people be

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<v Speaker 2>promoted and putting these positions, and it's frustrating to me.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, how much more do we need to

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<v Speaker 2>accept in this country that, like, the media is where

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<v Speaker 2>you're seen and where you're represented. And you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're just showcasing one demographic in this country, you're really,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, flexing your white privilege.

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<v Speaker 1>And but also what is that telling young who you know,

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<v Speaker 1>young children and younger generations who don't fit into that demographic.

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<v Speaker 2>Or that yeah, that doesn't look like them. And what

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<v Speaker 2>I love about podcasting is if you look across the board,

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<v Speaker 2>in podcasting, I feel like there's an authentic voice on

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<v Speaker 2>this platform. There is a lot of diversity, But in

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<v Speaker 2>other areas in media it really lacks. And I'm talking radio, TV,

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<v Speaker 2>the arts, not just on screen, but also behind the

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<v Speaker 2>scenes too. You know, I'm sick of walking into buildings

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<v Speaker 2>or walking into meetings and having to just be the

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<v Speaker 2>only person of color in that room. It's happening continuously

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<v Speaker 2>throughout my career. Whenever I'm seeking an opportunity. It is

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<v Speaker 2>constantly me going to meet with a white person and

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<v Speaker 2>appealing to them and asking them for an opportunity. That

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<v Speaker 2>is legit the experience of mine since I started. Every

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<v Speaker 2>room that I've walked into, that they that they have

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<v Speaker 2>the power to make the decision for me to have

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity or not is normally a white man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's frustrating to me.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, I equally feel the frustration. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>the previous conversations, I mean, you know, maybe maybe a

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<v Speaker 1>decade ago or and maybe still now where we're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, people in these massive organizations were saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>like we don't know any First Nations people who can

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<v Speaker 1>take these roles. So they didn't, you know, have these

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<v Speaker 1>roles filled. It's like, well, you don't need a delegated

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<v Speaker 1>role for a First Nations person, you can, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>And like there's the thing is there are so many

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<v Speaker 1>other there's so many First Nations people out there that

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<v Speaker 1>you can delegate not just a specific First Nations role

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<v Speaker 1>too that they can and have and be taking up

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<v Speaker 1>space in these major roles, these in executive roles, of

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<v Speaker 1>these director roles. Yeah, and moving into these spaces I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been having a lot of these conversations as well

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<v Speaker 1>around getting on boards and having a voice on boards,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's where change happens, and that's where your voice

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<v Speaker 1>is not most heard, because I don't think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a place where it's like really taken into

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<v Speaker 1>consideration all the time, like do you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Like fully, like I think you have to sort of

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<v Speaker 1>keep breaking down these barriers, these walls, entering into these spaces,

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<v Speaker 1>taking up seats. But the best thing about you, and

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<v Speaker 1>I love this about you is one you call it

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<v Speaker 1>out and I think that's a huge It's admirable because

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<v Speaker 1>you have the confidence in yourself, your capacity, your strengths,

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<v Speaker 1>your everything that you like you're You're like, well, I

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<v Speaker 1>deserve this, and I'm confident in my own capacity, in

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<v Speaker 1>my capability of this type of role, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to go for it. And it's I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of that, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of First Nations people lack that kind of forwardness and

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<v Speaker 1>lack that kind of confidence.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder why, you know, like of course oppression, oppression,

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<v Speaker 2>but also these places aren't you know, especially in the media,

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<v Speaker 2>these big organizations that you know, I'm going and knocking

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<v Speaker 2>on doors and meeting with big executive producers who have

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<v Speaker 2>been in their positions for twenty years. You know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>talking about men, white men who have held, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this power. It's really hard to go in and pitch

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<v Speaker 2>yourself as a black fellow, especially as a queen black man,

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<v Speaker 2>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And then socile is it's run by patriarchy, right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>who runs patriarchy exactly?

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like it's been like the mission of

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<v Speaker 2>my life really to be able to like just be

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<v Speaker 2>confident enough to go in. And it's not because I

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<v Speaker 2>think I'm the best or think that I can do

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<v Speaker 2>a better job than anyone. It's because I know what

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<v Speaker 2>is needed for my people to see themselves and to

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<v Speaker 2>feel proud of who they are. And that's representation. Representation,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't you know. I always go back to this saying

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<v Speaker 2>where people say, oh, you can't be what you can't see.

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<v Speaker 2>You absolutely can be what you can't see. You've got

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<v Speaker 2>to go and do it. So it's much easier when

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<v Speaker 2>you see it. But if you can't see it and

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<v Speaker 2>you feel like that, you know, you see an opportunity

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<v Speaker 2>go and create that that you know that job, or

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<v Speaker 2>go and knock on that door so that other people

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<v Speaker 2>can see it. It makes it easier for them. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>have to wait for someone else to do it. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's always been my little motto. But I think representation

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<v Speaker 2>in you know, in the media is changing very slowly. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's like every year it's feels like, you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>see more you know, small steps. But the reason they

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<v Speaker 2>set steps are so small is because people are so

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<v Speaker 2>scared to relinquish the power.

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<v Speaker 1>And power comes from that patriarchy that we were talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's been very when you think of that as

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<v Speaker 1>a power source in some way, it's very an aggressive

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<v Speaker 1>and very direct kind of power. Like it's not uh,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not been very it's been very harmful, I think

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<v Speaker 1>is the word. And so I think that's why I

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<v Speaker 1>think a lot of people like stray away from it

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like it's intimidating and they don't realize that

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<v Speaker 1>they really is. They don't realize their own power. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is with power is that there's there's really

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<v Speaker 1>negative stereotype of power because it comes with like arrogance,

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<v Speaker 1>it comes with manipulation, like it just comes with like

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<v Speaker 1>these really negative views. But when you look at power

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<v Speaker 1>and power of good like let's per se, like change it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's there's masculine and feminine. I think of ways of

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<v Speaker 1>distributing power per se. And I think when women distribute power,

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<v Speaker 1>like when they I guess, like say, let's use the

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<v Speaker 1>word maybe it's not enforce, but that type of when they, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Use their power when they use it.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of women have a more subtle approach around

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<v Speaker 1>using their power, and that in this subtle way is

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<v Speaker 1>like empowering, but it reaches so many more people. Right

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<v Speaker 1>when a guy or when a man aggressively uses his power,

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<v Speaker 1>it will reach a certain group of people, but not

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. It's kind of a scare tactic in some

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<v Speaker 1>say this is this is such a Also, this power

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<v Speaker 1>is so nuanced and like can be so there's so

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<v Speaker 1>much complexity is to it and how you use it

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<v Speaker 1>for good and for bad. But yeah, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>what comes into play when First nations people have this

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<v Speaker 1>is what they've been taught or this is what we've

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<v Speaker 1>been taught. Sorry, is that we don't have any power,

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<v Speaker 1>and so imagine that and obviously the intergenerational trauma of

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<v Speaker 1>that no wonder why people are scared and obviously don't

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<v Speaker 1>step up and don't take space and are scared to

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<v Speaker 1>take spaces because that's what we've been taught. And so

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<v Speaker 1>we need to remove that mentality. That's a limiting belief

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<v Speaker 1>that we don't need, right that's stopping us. And like

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<v Speaker 1>we can look at our history, and we can look

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<v Speaker 1>at from a perspective like this is I and I like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't I use this phrase lately lightly? But that was

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<v Speaker 1>then and this is now, and it's not acknowledging where

0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.720
<v Speaker 1>you've come from to where you're going. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>I use this a lot when I'm speaking to young

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<v Speaker 1>kids because it's fine to acknowledge where you've come from.

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<v Speaker 1>And I use this all the time in my day

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<v Speaker 1>to day life because it keeps me grateful and it

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<v Speaker 1>keeps me humble. But where I'm going is the most

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<v Speaker 1>important right now, Right where I'm wanting to be is

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<v Speaker 1>most important. Yeah, Like, yes, that all those experiences they're

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<v Speaker 1>like historically, intergenerationally is there. No one's going to take

0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.920
<v Speaker 1>that away from me. But I'm going to use those

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<v Speaker 1>experiences to better myself and to put myself in a

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<v Speaker 1>position of where I need to go and where I

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<v Speaker 1>want to be, and people get so wrapped up into

0:15:36.400 --> 0:15:40.000
<v Speaker 1>then or like where I was and what happened to,

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<v Speaker 1>not where I want to be and where I need

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<v Speaker 1>to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I agree with you. I feel like people live in

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<v Speaker 2>the past a lot, and their past experiences or their

0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.000
<v Speaker 2>past traumas become who they are. And I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I've over the years, I've developed a way of thinking

0:15:53.840 --> 0:15:56.520
<v Speaker 2>where it's similar to what you just explained, where I've

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<v Speaker 2>had to come out of that world of thinking that

0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:03.160
<v Speaker 2>my past experiences or you know, my experiences through my

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<v Speaker 2>childhood are who I am now. Stop you, always stop you,

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<v Speaker 2>But you can use them. You can use them as

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<v Speaker 2>inspiration and motivation and fuel to the fire to get

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<v Speaker 2>to where you want to go. And like, I've only

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<v Speaker 2>just started to really unpack that in myself, and that

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<v Speaker 2>took like therapy to get to that point, because especially

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<v Speaker 2>when you're a person who shares your story a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>it's living in those moments that can be a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit you know, confronting, and also it can hold you

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<v Speaker 2>down a little bit because you fighting the belief of

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<v Speaker 2>you know who you are now versus who you were

0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.440
<v Speaker 2>then or what you went through then and it's like

0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.080
<v Speaker 2>you're not that person, You're not your past. Your experience

0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:46.120
<v Speaker 2>has created who you are now, but you do you

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<v Speaker 2>can use them for good. And I always see, like,

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<v Speaker 2>especially traumatic events as currency and the word why I

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<v Speaker 2>use currencies because everything has a price, you know, everything

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<v Speaker 2>in this world has a price, and whether it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a sacrifice or I always think of.

0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Should cost you doing day to day things should cost

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<v Speaker 1>you in a way.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just think that you know, the traumatic experiences

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<v Speaker 2>in my childhood and the stuff that sort of made

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<v Speaker 2>me really resilient has been the way that I've been

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<v Speaker 2>able to sort of pay for opportunities or get through moments.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my currency. And it's a weird way to look

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<v Speaker 2>at it, but I see it as like the fire currency,

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<v Speaker 2>and yeah, I just and that's the reason why representation

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<v Speaker 2>to me so on my heart and it continues to

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<v Speaker 2>be no matter what I always think. You know, one

0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:34.880
<v Speaker 2>thing that really sticks to me, and it's always been

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<v Speaker 2>in the back of my head, is that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're on the way to the top or when

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<v Speaker 2>you're on your way to doing you know what you

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<v Speaker 2>want to do and success like the fight of like

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<v Speaker 2>how much do I bring with me or how much

0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:53.119
<v Speaker 2>do I go solo and make it to the top

0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:55.520
<v Speaker 2>and way from the from the top of the mountain

0:17:55.560 --> 0:17:58.800
<v Speaker 2>and tell everyone to come on up, because like that

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<v Speaker 2>idea of like you're trying to make it, you're trying

0:18:01.240 --> 0:18:02.359
<v Speaker 2>to make it, You're trying to make it, but you're

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<v Speaker 2>trying to bring everyone with you. It's fucking hard. Especially,

0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.200
<v Speaker 2>it really is, you know when it comes to family.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we feel that. I definitely feel like you

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel the way of that a lot. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I spoke to about fifteen year old thirty

0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:26.520
<v Speaker 1>eight fifteen year old girls on Thursday, and you know,

0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.399
<v Speaker 1>one of the girls said, like, how do you deal

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<v Speaker 1>with the pressure or the responsibility that you have to

0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:39.359
<v Speaker 1>carry that comes from your family? And I looked at

0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.720
<v Speaker 1>her and I said, I'm still learning this, so it's

0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:45.080
<v Speaker 1>always going to be a learning journey. But you also

0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:49.000
<v Speaker 1>can't take on something that is not your responsibility, and

0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.600
<v Speaker 1>that's taking on someone else's life. You have to take

0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:55.720
<v Speaker 1>responsibility for your life and what you do. And yes,

0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:57.600
<v Speaker 1>you can empower them and bring them up with you,

0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:00.480
<v Speaker 1>but you don't have to take responsibility for their choices

0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and what they want to do, and I think for

0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:07.960
<v Speaker 1>years I definitely did that. The word power came back

0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:11.920
<v Speaker 1>into my mind because it's like, well, you're using your

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<v Speaker 1>power to empower other people, Yeah, and that I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's a difference between using your power just for you

0:19:22.800 --> 0:19:27.640
<v Speaker 1>and to cause harm and using your power to empower.

0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.520
<v Speaker 1>And I think that's the difference between good.

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<v Speaker 2>He's reminded me of, Yeah, the difference, yes, good and

0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:38.720
<v Speaker 2>bad people, but also black fellows and white fellows. White

0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.639
<v Speaker 2>fellows never go into a meeting with the hope that

0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:47.119
<v Speaker 2>they can empower their people outside of that opportunity because

0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:51.200
<v Speaker 2>they need it, absolutely not. It's very about themselves. It

0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:53.760
<v Speaker 2>might be about their family, but it's not about their culture.

0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.520
<v Speaker 2>And this isn't having to go White fellows, but it's

0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.160
<v Speaker 2>when I walk into a meeting, I'm going in there

0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:01.359
<v Speaker 2>with the hope that somebody is going to give me

0:20:01.400 --> 0:20:04.960
<v Speaker 2>an opportunity that then is going to filter down to

0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.640
<v Speaker 2>a community that needs to see themselves in a positive

0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.800
<v Speaker 2>light because mainstream media for decades have put us in

0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:15.120
<v Speaker 2>such you know, deficit when it comes to representing who

0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.800
<v Speaker 2>we are. So like, for me, when I go in there,

0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.400
<v Speaker 2>it's like a wait, it's like, I'm going in here

0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:22.439
<v Speaker 2>because I want an opportunity, not for myself so I

0:20:22.440 --> 0:20:24.040
<v Speaker 2>can walk out of this building and go, you know what,

0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm the best I can do it. No, it's for

0:20:27.000 --> 0:20:30.040
<v Speaker 2>my family, it's for my community, and it's for black

0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.840
<v Speaker 2>follows in rural and remote communities where there's a lack

0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.680
<v Speaker 2>of opportunity. It's so much bigger than who we are,

0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:39.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. It's like if somebody can see on social

0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:41.720
<v Speaker 2>media or can see on the TV, or can hear

0:20:41.760 --> 0:20:44.080
<v Speaker 2>on the radio or hear a podcast where they see

0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.800
<v Speaker 2>other black fellows talking about their experiences, that opens their mind,

0:20:48.200 --> 0:20:51.640
<v Speaker 2>that creates a bigger world for them. Then like we're

0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.520
<v Speaker 2>doing our job correctly. And I don't know if people

0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:58.560
<v Speaker 2>outside of you know, marginalized communities have that same way.

0:20:58.680 --> 0:21:00.879
<v Speaker 2>I really don't feel like they or know what that

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<v Speaker 2>feels like.

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<v Speaker 1>No. I mean, there's some really good programs out there

0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:08.320
<v Speaker 1>at the you know, doing the work that are trying

0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.240
<v Speaker 1>to provide those opportunities, but they're really not noticed or

0:21:12.280 --> 0:21:15.119
<v Speaker 1>really elevated. And I think we need to do you know,

0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.680
<v Speaker 1>more of a job as a society, as in government

0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:23.440
<v Speaker 1>actually to support those programs or grassroots programs because yeah,

0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:27.439
<v Speaker 1>that's where the most growth happens. I mean, there's Shooting

0:21:27.440 --> 0:21:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Stars program that I've been affiliated towards. I can't really

0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.800
<v Speaker 1>say too much about it, but it's a WA program

0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and you know, they've got twelve hundred girls in WA

0:21:37.119 --> 0:21:41.560
<v Speaker 1>and now into Adelaide who have an opportunity to explore,

0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:49.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, industries, whether that's art, sport, beauty, you know, music,

0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:54.119
<v Speaker 1>and giving that opportunity to them is to help encourage

0:21:54.720 --> 0:21:58.720
<v Speaker 1>their dreams and then to inspire themselves to put themselves

0:21:58.720 --> 0:22:03.639
<v Speaker 1>in those places and that they so wholeheartedly deserve to

0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:07.880
<v Speaker 1>be in. But if they didn't have those grassroot programs

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:10.920
<v Speaker 1>per se, then they would have not really that much

0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.520
<v Speaker 1>opportunity in their towns. And these are all in remote

0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.840
<v Speaker 1>rural areas by the way. It's the same with my

0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.439
<v Speaker 1>mix kids having the opportunity to come to Melbourne, getting

0:22:20.480 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 1>exposure to all of these crazy and wonderful things that

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:29.520
<v Speaker 1>they've never seen before, and learning how to communicate and

0:22:29.600 --> 0:22:35.000
<v Speaker 1>learning how to deal with the pressures of moving away

0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:38.040
<v Speaker 1>from home and living off country. Like that's a lot

0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.560
<v Speaker 1>to take as a kid. But I know that these

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:44.240
<v Speaker 1>programs and grassroot programs are going to be so beneficial

0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:48.240
<v Speaker 1>to their future and their success because they're getting exposed

0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:52.959
<v Speaker 1>to so many things, but they're also taking up space

0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:55.800
<v Speaker 1>where they deserve to be, and they're also meeting other

0:22:56.440 --> 0:23:01.000
<v Speaker 1>mob and people that have that same comp confidence to

0:23:01.240 --> 0:23:04.360
<v Speaker 1>do that as well and showing them, yeah, like they

0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 1>can be that and as Yeah, I don't really love

0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:09.600
<v Speaker 1>the saying like, you can't be what you can you

0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:12.159
<v Speaker 1>can't be what you can't see, because I have preached

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:14.439
<v Speaker 1>that over the time of being the Bachelorette, and I

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.440
<v Speaker 1>feel like that was just kind of a thing.

0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 2>That a known slogan. You know, Yeah, I think it's

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.040
<v Speaker 2>a bit of a way to block someone from being

0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:25.480
<v Speaker 2>able to achieve what they want if they can't see it.

0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:28.040
<v Speaker 2>It's like, absolutely, you can be what you can't see.

0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.680
<v Speaker 2>It's much easier when the whole world looks like you.

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:33.200
<v Speaker 2>When you're you're a white person and you're seeing every

0:23:33.200 --> 0:23:35.800
<v Speaker 2>white person on the front of a magazine, white and

0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:38.680
<v Speaker 2>TV present, a white radio host, it's much easier to

0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:40.920
<v Speaker 2>see yourself and think, oh, I can do that because

0:23:41.080 --> 0:23:44.200
<v Speaker 2>everyone is doing it who looks like me. Yeah, much easier.

0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:47.440
<v Speaker 1>We also we also know, I don't know if you've

0:23:47.440 --> 0:23:55.320
<v Speaker 1>ever read into this, but statistically and psychologically in adolescents

0:23:55.320 --> 0:23:57.719
<v Speaker 1>mainly just I'm going to use young people as an

0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.159
<v Speaker 1>example because they're obviously our next future in our and

0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:03.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, as much as I would love to take place,

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:06.800
<v Speaker 1>I have had my time of taking a lot of

0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:10.679
<v Speaker 1>space in the Australian media and I won't ever not

0:24:11.000 --> 0:24:14.120
<v Speaker 1>stop doing that obviously, but I feel like I want

0:24:14.160 --> 0:24:17.000
<v Speaker 1>to inspire the younger generation too, and I think this

0:24:17.160 --> 0:24:20.879
<v Speaker 1>is more aimed at them or even you know, similar

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:27.680
<v Speaker 1>age millennial whatever gen z. But psychologically and statistically that

0:24:28.200 --> 0:24:35.040
<v Speaker 1>when people feel seen and can see themselves in places,

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:38.119
<v Speaker 1>So if you want to use the Australian media landscape,

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 1>or you want to use school, or you want to

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:47.760
<v Speaker 1>use community program or even music, dance acting, when a

0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:57.520
<v Speaker 1>young person feels represented on a diverse cultural or even

0:24:56.920 --> 0:25:03.159
<v Speaker 1>in a body type, then they are less likely to

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:09.959
<v Speaker 1>experience They experience less psychological distress if anything, and they

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 1>feel seen and they feel heard, and they also feel

0:25:14.600 --> 0:25:17.760
<v Speaker 1>like they belong and their identity is actually more like

0:25:18.520 --> 0:25:21.879
<v Speaker 1>their identity is stronger within themselves, which obviously we know

0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:25.240
<v Speaker 1>that when your identity is strong within yourself, you're less

0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 1>likely to you know, feel not less likely, but you'd

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<v Speaker 1>probably experience less anxiety and distress and social anxiety. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's all comes down to belonging, and that all comes

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<v Speaker 1>down to identity and feeling seen in this world, and

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<v Speaker 1>that can be a ray of things. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>representation is a very very very powerful tool that we

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<v Speaker 1>probably don't take advantage of in the Australian media landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, totally. I think what you see can efect your

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<v Speaker 2>mental health immensely, you know, And I think that mental

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<v Speaker 2>health in our community in particular is something that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really passionate about. As you can see today actually I'm

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<v Speaker 2>wearing my Push Up Challenge t shirt really focus on

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<v Speaker 2>there's a big focus on mental health for me, but

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<v Speaker 2>also there needs to be more investment in mental health.

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<v Speaker 2>But what you see, what you read, how you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>articulated within the media as a blackfellow, all effects to

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<v Speaker 2>how we feel about ourselves, and there's a flow on effects.

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<v Speaker 2>But representation, as you said, like, is something that we

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<v Speaker 2>you and I have, you know, I will say, the

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<v Speaker 2>power to keep pushing to change. And I think that

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<v Speaker 2>we you know, we do it in our own ways.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you know, some of us are a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of a hurricane. Like me, I just go in and ask.

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<v Speaker 1>You are like a bull in a china shop, is

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<v Speaker 1>what they would say.

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<v Speaker 2>I seriously just don't care anymore. I think what's the

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<v Speaker 2>worst you can get to know what this is?

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<v Speaker 1>Also, the thing is like if you don't know, you

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<v Speaker 1>won't know. Yeah, And I think the.

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<v Speaker 2>Fear is take the leaps of faith sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, don't believe everything you read as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is another thing. It's you can always

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<v Speaker 1>rewrite your story, your narrative, change the narrative, like, don't

0:27:21.200 --> 0:27:26.439
<v Speaker 1>always believe in what everyone else says. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>be de Lulu if you really want to.

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<v Speaker 2>Live in La La Land. Literally, It's my twenty birthday

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday and I wrote a status saying everything is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be new. I want new experiences. I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>anything to be the same. Like what I mean by

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<v Speaker 2>that is that I want to experience life differently. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't have to stay in the same cycle. You know,

0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to. You don't have to be a stereotype.

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<v Speaker 2>Push every day to be opposite to that. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like my new direction. I'm like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm going to keep pushing with the representation thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm talking like I really want to do international

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<v Speaker 2>stuff because there has to be one black fellow who

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<v Speaker 2>makes it in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, come on, Charlie Frazer just made it in Hollywood

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<v Speaker 1>from Furi What is she doing? Well, she was just

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:18.000
<v Speaker 1>in the Furiosa as there you go. And Clayton Bales

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<v Speaker 1>is in the same movie and he's a black fellow

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<v Speaker 1>and he's like ten years old.

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<v Speaker 2>So you need that. We need that, you know, international

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<v Speaker 2>representation where people you know, outside of our community, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it, that's where there is. That's how they respect people.

0:28:33.560 --> 0:28:35.439
<v Speaker 2>It's like you make it that big and then there's

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.959
<v Speaker 2>respect with that. So it's like, you know, I'm pushing

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<v Speaker 2>for the fucking stars. I'm going, I'm going.

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<v Speaker 1>I say, you know what, shoot for the stars. If

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<v Speaker 1>you land on the moon, that's still good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right, well let's I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I feel like that's We've just spoken about such

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 1>important topics and I feel like this, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you haven't learned from this episode, I don't know. Fuck

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<v Speaker 1>you kidding, No, I guess you know. I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>all of our points are valid in that conversation. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you are a white person, you know there's more

0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>work to be done. And I hope you have been listening,

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<v Speaker 1>and I feel like I hope you have been taking

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<v Speaker 1>into account what we're actually saying, because you can also

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<v Speaker 1>contribute and help.

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<v Speaker 2>Positive discrimination when it comes to employing black fellows is

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<v Speaker 2>something that I would say is needed. So if you

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that you need a role, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>don't need to specifically advise for if you're looking to

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<v Speaker 2>hire someone, look specifically for a person of color. It'll change,

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<v Speaker 2>It'll change your business.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree. Yeah, Well that's all we have time

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