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Speaker 1: On scynelds Ostrodia.

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Speaker 2: This is the Wider Panety Show.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panety Show coming

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Speaker 3: up tonight. The Liberals abandoned at zero and now there

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Speaker 3: are reports that moderates and the party are abandoning leaders

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Speaker 3: as in League. Colleen Harken and Michael Danby will be

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Speaker 3: here to discuss that shortly and much more. I'll speak

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Speaker 3: to Liberal MP Andrew Wallace about the party's.

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Speaker 4: Leadership clothes, and we will get his.

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Speaker 3: Response to Jim Chalmer's astonishing attack against the party. Josh

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Speaker 3: Hammer will have the latest from the US, including revelations

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Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein fotted with the Democrats to get Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: and Kinziscofiel would join the program for the latest oral

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Speaker 3: and entertainment news Left he is losing it.

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Speaker 4: We never missed that. It will be fact checking.

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Speaker 3: MSNBC hysteric Lawrence o'donald's paranoid fantasies.

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Speaker 5: Jd Vance is doing exactly what Gerald Ford did while

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Speaker 5: the Nixon presidents. He was sinking.

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Speaker 3: But first, the belated decision by the Liberals to dumbn

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Speaker 3: it zero may have a disastrous conclusion for opposition leader

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Speaker 3: Susan Lee, with a growing number of moderate Liberal MPs

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Speaker 3: pulling their support for Lee and backing Andrew Hasty. Senior

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Speaker 3: moderates told The Daily Mail that a majority of MPs

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Speaker 3: in the faction would have voted for Hasty against Lee

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Speaker 3: if a ballot were held this week.

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Speaker 4: Moderates have apparently had enough of Lee's.

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Speaker 3: Week leadership and her hesitancy to take a firm stance

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Speaker 3: on the issue. One moderate said Lee didn't dance with

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Speaker 3: those who brought her, so we are moving on. Another

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Speaker 3: said we have reached a point where radical change is necessary,

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Speaker 3: and another said, even if it's Hasty, that's better than

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Speaker 3: a leader that stands for nothing. But moderates and Rustin

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Speaker 3: and Maria Kovichik have come to Susan Lee's defense, releasing

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Speaker 3: a joint statement saying the reports are incorrect and we,

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Speaker 3: along with an overwhelming majority about moderate colleagues, continue to

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Speaker 3: strongly support Susan's leadership.

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Speaker 4: Joining me now for more on this is Institute of.

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Speaker 3: Public Affairs Research fellow Colleen Harken and former Labor MP

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Speaker 3: Michael Danby.

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Speaker 4: Colin, I'll start with you.

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Speaker 3: This is typical behavior from the bedwetters. They only destabilize

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Speaker 3: and undermine. Now they appear to be fighting amongst themselves.

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Speaker 4: The moderates are fighting amongst themselves.

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Speaker 6: It's not surprising though. I mean, the issue here is

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Speaker 6: that for the last two elections Liberals have gone to

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Speaker 6: the constituents with no fight in them about this whole

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Speaker 6: net zero thing, and Susan Laers sort of tried to

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Speaker 6: play the role of being everything to everyone, which means

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Speaker 6: that you're in no man's land. You're not standing for

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Speaker 6: anything for anyone. So the internal machinations of how this

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Speaker 6: is going to work out don't surprise me. Andrew Hasty

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Speaker 6: has shown leadership and it shows that if you show

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Speaker 6: strong leadership and you show conviction that peace, people will follow.

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Speaker 6: People will join behind you, and the average person in

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Speaker 6: Australia actually just wants reliable, affordable energy. They don't know

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Speaker 6: what zero even means. I think they think it means

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Speaker 6: something about climate, but don't really understand that it has

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Speaker 6: the impact on high prices, weaken industry and has no

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Speaker 6: impact on climate issues. So the issue now is for

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Speaker 6: the Liberals to go out and sell it, explain it

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Speaker 6: to people, and sell it hard to have any chance

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Speaker 6: of actually getting getting through with why they've changed his policy,

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Speaker 6: and all power to them for doing it was the

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Speaker 6: right thing to do well, took the.

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Speaker 3: Long time to get there, just like the voice. But

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Speaker 3: you're right, most Australians probably don't know the impact net

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Speaker 3: zero policies have because they haven't had a major political

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Speaker 3: party actually prosecute the case.

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Speaker 4: Michael.

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Speaker 3: In my mind, Andrew Hasty is a formidable opponent. Do

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Speaker 3: you think Labor would be more concerned with a Hasty

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Speaker 7: Claim they're looking forward to a Hasty leadership and I

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Speaker 7: think they've made a big mistake if they do. Look

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Speaker 7: no net zero people in the Liberal Party have a

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Speaker 7: majority already. If a few moderates join them, whoever is

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Speaker 7: the alternative to Susan lay will easily win. But the

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Speaker 7: problem is will there be no contest between Angus Taylor

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Speaker 7: I must say my experience of Angus Taylor is he

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Speaker 7: just doesn't cut through. Hasty has one problem that is

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Speaker 7: that comment on immigration, which is falsely portrayed by the

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Speaker 7: Labor Party's opposition to immigration. But what it's very useful

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Speaker 7: to disguising is their campaign against the Chinese vote, the

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Speaker 7: Chinese Australian vote, so they think that he's very vulnerable

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Speaker 7: on that. It's a big problem for the Liberal Party.

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Speaker 7: How do they get around what happened to people like

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Speaker 7: mister Wallahan and Mensies.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, that is a growing demographic. But I

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Speaker 3: think broadly Andrew Hasty's comments about immigration would be enormously popular.

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Speaker 4: So there's also that to consider.

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Speaker 3: And again I think like net zero, probably even more

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Speaker 3: so than at zero, Colleen, that is an issue where

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Speaker 3: the Australian public really haven't had to say. Poll after

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Speaker 3: the poll says that majority of Australians want to see

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Speaker 3: some dramatic reductions in immigration, and yet both sides are

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Speaker 3: continuing with this big Australia mindset. Even if the Libs

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Speaker 3: targets are a little bit lower than labor, they're still fairly hefty.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, of course, And look, the average just Tonian has

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Speaker 6: shown their voice in all of those marches that have

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Speaker 4: They're not anti immigration.

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Speaker 6: They make it very clear that their anti.

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Speaker 4: Unplanned and mass immigration.

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Speaker 6: I think it's a very easy clarification to make if

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Speaker 6: you get the lines right. People are not anti immigration,

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Speaker 6: they're just simply this sort of thousands of people who

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Speaker 6: with it at the moment.

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Speaker 3: Now it has been revealed almost five hundred Australians attended

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Speaker 3: the COP thirty talk fest in Brazil this year. Among

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Speaker 3: them was of course, Climate Change and Energy Minister Chris Bowen,

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Speaker 3: who has been pushing for Australia to host next year's

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Speaker 3: COP thirty one conference in Adelaide.

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Speaker 4: Michael, what can I say?

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Speaker 3: This seems like a monumental waste of taxpayer money.

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Speaker 7: Congratulations to the people at Sky have exposed this. Five

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Speaker 7: hundred people going all the way from Australia to a

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Speaker 7: climate alarm conference. You couldn't write a script like it

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Speaker 7: out of Monty Python. It's outrageous if government and other

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Speaker 7: institutions money has been used, just as you suggest, reader,

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Speaker 7: And I'd also like to know how many of these

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Speaker 7: people are took holidays to Machu Pichu after they finished

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Speaker 4: That is a very great you did.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 3: You're coming in through on zoom right now and I

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Speaker 3: think if you can do it, I don't know why

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Speaker 3: they can't and these are people who are obsessed with

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Speaker 3: global warming Colleen, So you would think that had be

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Speaker 3: very motivated not to get on a plane. But talking

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Speaker 3: about waste of tax pay money and Aboriginal academic has

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Speaker 3: criticized the Albanese government's so called First Nations People ambassador

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Speaker 3: after he received a new contract extension which will see him.

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Speaker 4: Paid four hundred thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: In his first twenty months in the job, Ambassador Justin

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Speaker 4: Bill of more than two hundred and fifty thousand.

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Speaker 3: That's on top of his sizeable salary that included trips

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Speaker 3: to Switzerland he went there three times, five trips to

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Speaker 3: academic and human rights lawyer Hannah mclade told The Daily

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Speaker 3: Telegraph that the ambassador role had a documented history of

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Speaker 3: extensive and expensive travel and hotels without proof of real

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Speaker 3: outcomes to improve the lives of Aboriginal people Colleen. She

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Speaker 3: also claimed it was promoting a positive image of Australia

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Speaker 3: on the global stage, contrary to the evidence about the

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Speaker 3: government's failure on closing the gap.

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Speaker 4: How do you see this role.

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Speaker 3: It's always confused me. It's always confused me what even

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Speaker 3: the purpose of this role is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not sure what the purpose is, and I'm

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Speaker 6: very confused about what a first nation's ambassador has to

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Speaker 6: The other thing is that apparently has an office of

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Speaker 6: ten staff, so there's a lot of money that's been

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Speaker 4: Like to see what are the KPIs, what is the

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Speaker 4: performance standard and what.

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Speaker 6: Is it actually supposed to achieve because we talk a

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Speaker 6: lot about closing the gap, but I don't see any

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Speaker 6: relevance between this and actually on the ground issues with

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Speaker 6: Aboriginal communities.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, Michael, Why do we need.

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Speaker 3: A first nation's people ambassador to be globe trotting around

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Speaker 3: the world And how can their message on foreign affairs

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Speaker 3: be any different to the Foreign Affairs minister. Why would

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Speaker 3: we have two competing messages coming out of Australia.

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Speaker 7: People like this and our e Safety Commissioner, who's spent

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Speaker 7: nearly five hundred thousand dollars on international travel, are going

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Speaker 7: to blow up in the face of the government at

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Speaker 7: some point. The government should get control of all of

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Speaker 7: these people and restrict their budgets to what might be

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Speaker 7: reasonable for an our Aboriginal ambassador. If we have to

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Speaker 7: have one good point reader, a few people on the

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Speaker 7: Pacific Islands might need to see him personally, but the

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Speaker 7: You and Human Rights Council in Geneva doesn't need to

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Speaker 7: see him three times a year. It's a scam. And

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Speaker 7: you know, all of us are in favor of Indigenous

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Speaker 7: as that Aboriginal academic has pointed out, it denigrates the

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Speaker 7: whole issue to have a bloke spending money like this,

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Speaker 7: being paid like this, just as it does with a

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Speaker 3: To Victoria now, where a convicted murderer has fired legal

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Speaker 3: action against the Department of Justice for taking away his

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Speaker 3: right to eat vega mite. Yes, Andre mckenchie says he

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Speaker 4: Of his human rights because it's denying you.

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Speaker 3: As Australian culture Michael Shadow. Corrections Minister David Southweik has

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Speaker 3: slammed the legal action, saying prison cells aren't meant to

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Speaker 3: act as hotels. How do you see this consequential issue.

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Speaker 7: This is plainly ridiculous. We should have magistrates and judges

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Speaker 7: enforcing the existing laws of Victoria, not going soft on

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Speaker 7: people with ridiculous claims like this. This is an example

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Speaker 7: of the woke madness of the prison system and the

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Speaker 7: Victorian legal system in general. You know we should. Now

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Speaker 7: we've got a premier who promised to take the masks

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Speaker 7: off these people who are terrifying people in the city

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Speaker 7: still and the police have to politely go up to

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Speaker 7: them and say, well, could you please take that mask off?

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Speaker 7: Of course it won't happen, so it's an empty promise,

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Speaker 7: just like the machete bins and all of the soft

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Speaker 7: treatment of the legal system that the current Victorian government

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Speaker 7: is proceeding with them. The people that affects the worst

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Speaker 7: are the poor people of Victoria, people who are not

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Speaker 7: on high incomes, who this labor government is meant to

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Speaker 7: stand up for, not all of its socialists left woke nonsense.

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Speaker 3: Well, crime is shaping up to be a major issue

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Speaker 3: at the next state election.

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Speaker 4: Here.

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Speaker 3: Do you think the premiere has one some ground with

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Speaker 3: these new tough youth laws with the adult crime adult

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Speaker 3: time though they are when you look at the detail

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Speaker 3: fairly flaky. The s them to be some major loopholes

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 6: I think that's the thing is that Professor Murco wrote

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Speaker 6: an article the other day that said a knife hurts

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Speaker 6: whether it's come from a sixteen year old or a

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Speaker 6: forty five year old. The issue is the law exists,

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Speaker 4: Is a Liberal MP Andrew Wallace? Andrew give my audience.

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Speaker 9: This has been a pretty long process, as you know,

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Speaker 9: Look, of course you're always going to get some people

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Speaker 9: Absolutely, Rita I mean this morning we saw the Prime

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Speaker 3: Well so, Andrew Wallace, thank you so much for your

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Speaker 5: JD Vance is doing exactly what Gerald Ford did while

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Speaker 5: Jerald Ford said nothing. When things were the darkest for

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Speaker 3: What the hell indeed do better, Marjorie? Now Here is

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Speaker 11: Here's capitalist South Korea at Nate from space. Here's socialist

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Speaker 4: Listen to him. Now, it's clear that CNN.

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Speaker 12: Was asked that mentioned the president, and we do want

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Speaker 12: In supporting what Donald Trump is doing, you're talking about

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Speaker 4: Are still to come.

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Speaker 3: Revelations Jeffrey Epstein plotted with the Democrats to get Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk more about the latest Jeffrey Epstein revelations.

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Speaker 4: Now, the real scandal here is not the.

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Speaker 4: That's what those emails reveal. And why did Jeffrey Epstein

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Speaker 13: At that point, Epstein's legal problems began. The police began

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Speaker 13: on they were nothing but bitter enemies.

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Speaker 14: And this is what he's telling you.

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Speaker 8: This is one of the instances of what he's telling

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Speaker 8: you that yes.

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Speaker 3: Joining me now is Newsweek's senior editor at Large and

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Speaker 3: Article three Projects Senior Council, Josh Hammer. Josh, this is

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Speaker 3: an enormous scandal the Democrats working with Epstein, a known

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Speaker 3: sex offender, to get Donald Trump.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Read everything that you need to know about the story

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Speaker 15: is based on the relevant timeline, which is that Democrats

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Speaker 15: had some mild success in the off off your elections

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Speaker 15: about two weeks ago at this point in New York City,

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Speaker 15: New Jersey and Virginia and then inexplicably. But on the

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Speaker 15: other hand, it gets entirely predictably. They caved on the

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Speaker 15: shutdown fight, like they totally caved. I mean, Chuck Schumer

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Speaker 15: epically capitulated. There.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 15: It is the irony of all ironies. He was fighting

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Speaker 15: this shutdown fight. He tried to forestall an AOC primary

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Speaker 15: challenge in his New York Center race in three years now,

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Speaker 15: the let's all angry at him. So in order to

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Speaker 15: try to get the momentum back in their favor, in

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Speaker 15: order to try to divert attention from the victorious Republicans

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Speaker 15: and to try to bring the spotlight back to how

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Speaker 15: Democrats are allegedly doing something fill in the blank there.

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Speaker 15: You know, mysteriously, these these twenty thousand emails magically appear. Look,

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Speaker 15: my humble opinion is that the Epstein story ranks probably

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Speaker 15: somewhere over in the fortieth and fiftieth most and most

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Speaker 15: important story to the American people. I think the fact

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Speaker 15: that Democrats are resorting to this frankly reeks of desperation.

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Speaker 15: It's not just hit hypocrisy and desperation, though, it is

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Speaker 15: frankly just astounding that anyone would take them at their word.

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Speaker 15: To be clear, there were horrific, horrific, detestable loads of

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Speaker 15: some of the worst crimes that you can even imagine

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Speaker 15: occurred in this horrific, horrific case roughly two decades or so,

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Speaker 15: give or take there, and everyone wants justice for the victims.

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Speaker 15: But it's hard to take these same Democrats seriously, rita,

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Speaker 15: when we know that there was one particular president who

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Speaker 15: was much much closer Jeffrey Epstein than Donald Trump, who,

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Speaker 15: by the way, kicked Jeffrey Epstein out of Mara Lago

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Speaker 15: as White House Press Secretary Caroline Levied was quick to

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Speaker 15: note this past week and that Democrat president was very,

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Speaker 15: very chummy with Jeffrey Epstein. The noted Democrat donor was

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Speaker 15: Bill Clinton. Huh, funny you should ask. I don't see

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Speaker 15: ro Kahan or any of these other House Democratic leaders, Hakim,

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Speaker 15: Jeffreyes none. There are talking about Bill Clinton's various trips

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Speaker 15: on the so called the low Leader express, Jeffrey Epstein's

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Speaker 15: private plane.

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Speaker 7: Why is that?

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Speaker 15: I think the American people see through this readA They

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Speaker 15: see this is a innakedly political stunt there. Donald Trump, yes,

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Speaker 15: he knew Jeffy Epstein. Guess what, so did a lot

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Speaker 15: of people. A lot of very powerful, very prime people

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Speaker 15: knew Jeffrey Epstein. The fact that he was corresponding to him,

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Speaker 15: frankly means absolutely nothing whatsoever in my judgment there, this

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Speaker 15: is a pure political stunt. The American people are going

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Speaker 15: to see right through it.

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Speaker 1: I think.

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Speaker 3: Well, just finally on the Democrats' links with Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 3: The New York Posts are reported that Epstein was feeding

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Speaker 3: questions to Stacey Plaskett during a twenty nineteen congressional hearing,

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Speaker 3: giving her real time help on how to damaged President

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And there also reports that Epstein was in

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Speaker 3: meetings with Obama White House counsel Katherine Rumler, tell me

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Speaker 3: about that connection.

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Speaker 4: What's that about.

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Speaker 15: Well, it's actually potentially even worse than that. So there

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Speaker 15: was one of the Look, they're twenty thousand emails, so

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Speaker 15: there's a lot that comes up there. But there was

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Speaker 15: actually a potentially even more interesting email than this that

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Speaker 15: I saw involving Brock Obama. That's why I thought of it,

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Speaker 15: and this email has to do I'm trying to remember

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Speaker 15: which election cycle was. I think it was the twenty

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Speaker 15: sixteen election cycle, and there was an email from from

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Speaker 15: Epstein talking about how Barack Now he misspelled that there

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Speaker 15: there were there were two hours, not what so it

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Speaker 15: was it was misspelled in the email. But there was

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Speaker 15: an emails Jeffrey EPs you talk about how Barack is

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Speaker 15: coming over for dinner tonight and he actually look on

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Speaker 15: the timestamp, I think this was. This was in late

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Speaker 15: October November is run the presspice of the twenty seas

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Speaker 15: you need election of memory serves Barack Obama was on

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Speaker 15: the campaign truck campaigning for then Canda to Hillary Clinton. Well,

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Speaker 15: guess where he was at that time at the same

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Speaker 15: time Jeffrey Epstein sent that email. Oh yeah, he was

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Speaker 15: in South Florida. He was campaigning in South Florida at

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Speaker 15: the same time that Jeffrey Epstein was talking about having

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Speaker 15: someone named Barack over to his house for dinner in

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Speaker 15: Palm Beach. I wonder who that could be, right, So,

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Speaker 15: I mean, Bill Clinton is one thing we've known about

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Speaker 15: these Bill Clinton times Jeffrey Epstein for years. But I

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Speaker 15: think that the curious onlooker might if the curious onlooker

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Speaker 15: here is not hypocritical, unlike a heme Jeffrey's rocon, if

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Speaker 15: the curious onlookers actually intellectually honest, I think one might

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Speaker 15: be inclined to ask what a Barack Obama no, when.

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Speaker 3: Of course it could be an entirely different Baraque with

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Speaker 3: two hours, So we'll wait and see.

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Speaker 16: Now.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump has said he will be pursuing legal action

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Speaker 3: against the BBC after they deceptively edited his January sixth speech.

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Speaker 3: Trump has already secured multiple eight figure settlements over the

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Speaker 3: past year from media outlets from ABC American ABC and CBS,

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Speaker 3: as well as major social media platforms Josh x Meta,

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Speaker 3: which has Facebook and Instagram and also YouTube. How do

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Speaker 3: you see this latest clash progressing. I think the UK's

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Speaker 3: information laws are far harsher than what's in place in

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Speaker 3: the US. Could he be looking at another massive payout here?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, you took the words down my mouth. In the UK,

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Speaker 15: defamation law is extremely, extremely strict, actually read it. I

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Speaker 15: know this very much firsthand because during some of the

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Speaker 15: riots in the UK just over a year ago, there

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Speaker 15: was a horrific murderer of young English children and a

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Speaker 15: dance studio from a Rwandan memory serves there and there

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Speaker 15: were all these riots then counter rights there and I

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Speaker 15: made a somewhat anodyne tweet about two tier cure starmer

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Speaker 15: and a friend of mine, who is a British lawyer

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Speaker 15: over in London, messaged me on WhatsApp. He said, Josh,

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Speaker 15: you probably should take that tweet down and I was like,

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Speaker 15: what are you talking about. I mean, like, this is America,

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Speaker 15: I have free speech, and he was like, actually, under

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Speaker 15: British law, that's probably that's probably defamatory.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I didn't.

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Speaker 15: For the record, I did not delete the screed. I

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Speaker 15: did not capitulate to Britain's utterly or WILLI en defamation system.

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Speaker 15: But to your point, yeah, defamation is a lot easier

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Speaker 15: in the UK, certainly than in the United States, where

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Speaker 15: we have a slightly higher threshold, especially for so called

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Speaker 15: public figures, So potentially BBC could be in a world

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Speaker 15: of herd here. Now Having said that, there are any

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Speaker 15: number of left wing judges and the British judiciary, many

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Speaker 15: of whom are probably deeply antagonistic to Donald Trump, probably

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Speaker 15: many of them praying we just utterly hate the guy.

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Speaker 15: It's not that dissimilar, frankly, from a lot of her

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Speaker 15: own American judges, who invariably suffer in these lower court

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Speaker 15: random judge ships in Hawaii and New Hampshire. When not there,

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Speaker 15: they oftentimes suffer from Trump arrangement syndrome. I presume it's

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Speaker 15: probably the same across the pond over in the UK

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Speaker 15: as well, So I would caution against necessarily saying that

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Speaker 15: this is a slam dunk case. But given Donald Trump's

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Speaker 15: track record in successfully suiting Deformation and various other media outlets,

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Speaker 15: as you correctly noted, and given the fact that defamation

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Speaker 15: laws is such a lower bar when it comes to

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Speaker 15: being the plaintiff in British law, I don't know rita

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Speaker 15: I happened to, I happen to like his changes. I

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Speaker 15: definitely would not want to be in the BBC's legal

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Speaker 15: position right now, that's for sure.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's already secured these five eight figure settlements and

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Speaker 3: other proceeds of those settlements.

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Speaker 4: Going towards the ballroom.

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Speaker 3: Is that accurate because this babac one could pay for

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Speaker 3: the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Possibly.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, So the judgments go to different things them. I

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Speaker 15: think was the ABC settlement actually is going to help

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Speaker 15: construct the Trump Presidential Library actually after after Donald Trump's presidency,

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Speaker 15: which is it's just it's yeah, it's it's just so

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Speaker 15: thoroughly deluctable, isn't it that that ABC, which which you know,

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Speaker 15: did about as much as any other networks to try

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Speaker 15: to throw the twenty twenty four election to Kamala Harris

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Speaker 15: with their horrific debate performances and whatnot there, and now

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Speaker 15: they're trying now they're going to subsidize the Trump Presidential Library.

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Speaker 15: So on the one hand, it was that I do

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Speaker 15: think I heard that one that one of these judgments

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Speaker 15: might be subsizing the People's Ballroom there in the East

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Speaker 15: wing of the White House there. But it depends on

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Speaker 15: the judgment. But it's it's frankly from an American taxpayer

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Speaker 15: protective Rita. I just love it because these these media

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Speaker 15: outlets are frankly the people, and they should be made

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Speaker 15: to pay us.

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Speaker 3: Such I think there's not much sympathy for these media

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Speaker 3: outlets at all, all the social media outlets. Now, I

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Speaker 3: wanted to ask about this tariff revenue bonus that President

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Speaker 3: Trump is committed to sending two Americans.

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Speaker 14: That everybody went, the rich get this. That's not made up.

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Speaker 14: That's for money that comes from other countries.

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Speaker 3: Josh, A two thousand dollars dividend check to be distributed

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Speaker 3: from tariff revenue sometime next.

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Speaker 4: Year, we're told, perhaps before the midterms. Do you say

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Speaker 4: this happening?

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Speaker 3: Because there's a lot of doubts about whether these two

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Speaker 3: thousand dollar checks can be sent.

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Speaker 15: If I had to guess, I would guess probably not.

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Speaker 15: To be honest to you, this this will probably require

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Speaker 15: an Act of Congress. I think this would be very

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Speaker 15: legally dicey to try to do via executive order. I

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Speaker 15: think that even more compelling. A reason why I would

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Speaker 15: throw some skepticism as to whether or not that this

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Speaker 15: will happen is because, based on what the American people

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Speaker 15: tell polsters, including those off off your elections, two weeks

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Speaker 15: ago in New York, Senior Jers in Virginia readA The

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Speaker 15: issues that they still care most about are pertained to inflation,

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Speaker 15: cost of living, affordability, things like that. And if there's

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Speaker 15: one thing that we know from Joe Biden's spending bonanza

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Speaker 15: and the various checks in the mail during COVID, it's

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Speaker 15: that these things, over the course of a year or two,

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Speaker 15: three years the most, can tend to exacerbate inflationary fears.

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Speaker 15: And if this ministration is sympathetic to listening to the

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Speaker 15: American people when it comes to their cost of willing concerns, there,

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Speaker 15: this is the kind of thing that might sound good

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Speaker 15: in theory. I mean, who doesn't want to receive a

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Speaker 15: two thousand dollars check the mail? I mean, heck, sign

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Speaker 15: me up. That sounds great. But unfortunately there is a

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Speaker 15: downside to that when you look at it from a

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Speaker 15: more macro extrapolated perspective. There and that is potentially exacerbating inflation.

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Speaker 15: So for all these reasons, I am skeptical. But you know,

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Speaker 15: this is Donald Trump's populist mentality, right. I mean, he

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Speaker 15: sees revenue coming in for the tariffs, he wants to

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Speaker 15: share the wealth with the people. You know, these are

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Speaker 15: my big beautiful tariffs there. I want to see the

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Speaker 15: people who are proud of this tariffs but proud of

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Speaker 15: rebuilding industry, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. So I

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Speaker 15: totally understand where he's coming from his mentality there, but

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Speaker 15: from both a separation of powers perspective, I don't think

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Speaker 15: Congress would get behind you. And then also on the

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Speaker 15: inflation fears, I'm a mott skeptical as well.

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Speaker 4: Well, I'm not so sure about that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not doubting your judgment that perhaps this can't be

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Speaker 3: done and the process that had to go through, But

661
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Speaker 3: I reckon people would be absolutely overjoyed about getting a

662
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Speaker 3: two thousand dollars check and they're not going to worry

663
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Speaker 3: too much about how inflationary it may be down the track.

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Speaker 3: I think you are underestimating how much people love free

665
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Speaker 3: things and two thousand dollars, particularly because it's coming essentially

666
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Speaker 3: from foreign nations. If it is actually coming from tariff revenue,

667
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Speaker 3: the symbolism there, I think is pretty good. Now, before

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Speaker 3: you go, there's already trouble among New York City Mayor

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Speaker 3: Alex Zora and Ma'm Danny's transition team with Hassan shod Hari,

670
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Speaker 3: who's reportedly the political director for the Transition Committee. It's

671
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Speaker 3: been revealed he's been posting hate against Jews and Israel

672
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Speaker 3: and even.

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Speaker 4: Questioning gay rights.

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Speaker 3: Now, these social media posts are from around ten years ago,

675
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: but pretty ugly used the word Jews as a slur.

676
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Speaker 3: He praised former Iranian President Mahmoud, a manager who infamously

677
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: said Israel is a cancer which will be eliminated soon.

678
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: I think we're seeing now this conflict coming to fruition

679
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 3: between ma'm Dani's very woke supporter base and some of

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Speaker 3: the Islamist supporter base.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 15: Read, I mean this has to be the least surprising

683
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Speaker 15: political development of my entire lifetime, right, I mean, I

684
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 15: mean that Zora Mamdani, someone who struggled to condemn Hama,

685
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 15: someone who struggled to condemn the inherently genocidal phraser from

686
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Speaker 15: the River to the Sea, Palestine Shelby Free, someone who

687
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 15: was accusing Israel of genocide before the tanks even started

688
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 15: rolling into Gaza, like literally on like October Ethra October ninth,

689
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Speaker 15: twenty twenty three, something absolutely crazy like that. I mean

690
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 15: obviously he's going to surround himself with people who think

691
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Speaker 15: and talk like this, this, this is, this is totally surprising,

692
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Speaker 15: I think. I think the more interesting thing to me is,

693
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Speaker 15: as a New York Post reporter, in the headline that

694
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Speaker 15: we just saw this guy was not just bashing Jews,

695
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Speaker 15: he was also bashing gay rights. That is interesting, right,

696
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Speaker 15: because that is one of the that is one of

697
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Speaker 15: the major planks of the current American left when it

698
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 15: comes to LGBT, very much cleaning transgenderism. But this actually

699
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,479
Speaker 15: gets to a broader point creator that I've been making

700
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Speaker 15: for many years now, which is that this whole absurd,

701
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Speaker 15: woke intersectional identity politics coalition, this notion of a coalition

702
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 15: of aggrieved interests, as I call it there, it's inherently

703
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Speaker 15: self contradictory. If you're going to have someone who's pathetic

704
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Speaker 15: to radical Islam and Islamism or Sharia law, you're by

705
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 15: definition not going to have someone who is sympathetic to

706
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Speaker 15: feminism or LGBT rights. There. Think about Linda Sarsor. I mean,

707
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Speaker 15: she was the head of the Women's March back in

708
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Speaker 15: twenty seventeen, the very early datas tormentration. She also was

709
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Speaker 15: a Sharia law apologist. I mean square that circle for me.

710
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 15: The same thing with this guy that the Mandayam advisor.

711
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 15: I mean square this circle for me. Where you're calling

712
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 15: yourself a quote unquote progressive champion. It literally just does

713
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 15: not add up. And it all kind of underscores the

714
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 15: intellectual dissonance and frequly just the intellectual rapidity and stupidity

715
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 15: that is the modern American left.

716
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Speaker 4: And Linda Suzzle is on the scene.

717
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Speaker 3: I thought she had disappeared, but it seems like she's

718
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Speaker 3: been working behind the scenes. Helpings are on ma'm Danny

719
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 3: and others get elected. So yeah, she's still a force

720
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Speaker 3: to be reckoned with.

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Speaker 4: Unfortunately for America. Josh Hamma, thank you so much for

722
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Speaker 4: your time. Tonight still to come. What did Ariana.

723
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Speaker 3: Grande do to upset Sydney Sweeney is growing fan base?

724
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Speaker 3: Kinsey Scofield has the details.

725
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Speaker 4: Welcome back.

726
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Speaker 3: Joining me now is celebrity and royal commentator Kinseyscofield.

727
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Speaker 4: Kinsey. Let's start with Ariana Grande.

728
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: She has copped a little bit of criticism for failing

729
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: to use Sydney Sween his name. During a recent interview,

730
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Speaker 3: Grande pulled out a photograph of Sweeney during the interview

731
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Speaker 3: and showed it to her co star Bo and Yang

732
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Speaker 3: and asked, was I better than this woman? This woman Kinsey?

733
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Speaker 3: Why couldn't she say her name?

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Speaker 16: I mean, I think that this is fair criticism. Calling

735
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Speaker 16: someone that woman or this woman is a snub because

736
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Speaker 16: it strips them of their name, creates distance and signals

737
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Speaker 16: that you don't respect them. It tells the audience that

738
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Speaker 16: you do not see this person as worthy of acknowledgment.

739
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Speaker 16: This is supposed to be a silly, fun segment, but

740
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Speaker 16: it isn't a great look for Ariana, who wouldn't tolerate

741
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Speaker 16: that type of disrespect towards someone she cared about, like

742
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Speaker 16: a wicked coastar who she practically dry humps in every interview.

743
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Speaker 8: So I do think it's shocking and strange.

744
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Speaker 4: You and I have to.

745
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Speaker 3: Discuss in depth their antiques because they are getting more.

746
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 4: Ridiculous, more weird.

747
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Speaker 3: The dynamic is just so off. I don't know what's happening.

748
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 3: It seems very fake, But also I don't know, you're.

749
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 4: Uncomfortable watching it. The only good thing about it.

750
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Speaker 3: Is that inspires so many parodies, so many funny parodies

751
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 3: out there trying to copy what they're doing now. There

752
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 3: was a piece in The Daily Mail last week which

753
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 3: questioned whether Sidney Sweeney has become too toxic for Hollywood?

754
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Speaker 3: Tell me about this? Is this some sort of new McCarthyism. Well,

755
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 3: I guess it's not that new that conservatives have been

756
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 3: black banned, blacklisted in Hollywood for some years now. But

757
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Speaker 3: could she be considered too toxic just for doing a

758
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 3: Genes commercial that lefties didn't like?

759
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Speaker 16: Well, thank you for bringing up this article. What a

760
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 16: stupid article. It was in reference to a few box

761
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 16: office flaps for Sydney this year. I mean, she's got

762
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Speaker 16: seven upcoming projects according to IMDb. In the last twenty

763
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 16: four months, She's released at least sex films. She's generating

764
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 16: a lot of content, commercial opportunities television and film, and statistically,

765
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Speaker 16: not everything is going to appeal to audiences. I like her,

766
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 16: but I'm not going to watch a movie where she

767
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 16: plays a boxer. I mean, that just doesn't interest me.

768
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Speaker 16: But the Daily Mail suggesting that criticism from a photographer

769
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Speaker 16: friend of Harry and Meggan Markles somehow signifies the decline

770
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Speaker 16: of Sidney Sweeney is a major stretch. Her phone hasn't

771
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Speaker 16: stopped ringing because she's a registered Republican. In fact, she's

772
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Speaker 16: creating an incredibly lucrative brand. My only concern is that

773
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Speaker 16: I think that there might be an oversaturation.

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Speaker 8: I mean, Sydney girl.

775
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Speaker 16: It's okay to say no sometimes, but if you go

776
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 16: to the malls here, she's on every Kiosk promoting every product.

777
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Speaker 8: You know, She's just kind of everywhere. But otherwise, I.

778
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Speaker 16: Mean, I think that Sydney has a great future ahead

779
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Speaker 16: of her.

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Speaker 3: I think you're going to say a few more actresses

781
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: registering as Republicans if that's the outcome.

782
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Speaker 4: That seems to be working beautifully for her now.

783
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Speaker 3: Megan has faced backlash for her as Ever Christmas collection promo.

784
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 3: It's been described as beige and depressing.

785
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Speaker 4: That's a bit Harshkins, they.

786
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Speaker 8: Know, is it harsh?

787
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Speaker 11: Reta?

788
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 8: I mean, so you're right.

789
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Speaker 16: Saturday, she posted this video of her self assembling gifts

790
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 16: while hard selling her as Ever holiday range, which includes

791
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 16: a sixty four dollars candle and a mundane mold spice kit.

792
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 16: The visuals you just saw them. They were dark and miserable.

793
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 16: Brown stockings are those the literal socks from her feet

794
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 16: that she says she answers the door in when she's

795
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 16: barefoot to not intimidate her guests. You know, the guests

796
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 16: that she's laid eight mugs out the night before to

797
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 16: make her to do lists shorter. Megan Markle and Netflix

798
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 16: for that matter, continue desperately to position this woman in

799
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 16: a role she is not qualified for. And I can't

800
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Speaker 16: wait to talk to you on after December third, We're

801
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 16: going to dissect her Joyless and Familyless holiday special on

802
00:43:57,239 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 16: Netflix and it's going to be a blast.

803
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Speaker 4: I can't wait to go through that. We are going

804
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Speaker 4: to have some fun.

805
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Speaker 3: Sixty four dollar candle sixty four dollars a US. That's

806
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 3: about one hundred dollars Australian for a candle. I mean

807
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: that's not very accessible. That's for most people during a

808
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 3: cost of living crisis. Now to rumors of a potential

809
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 3: visit from Harry and Meghan to Australia, what can you

810
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: tell us about this?

811
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Speaker 4: Kickinzie?

812
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 16: So this Harry and Meghan have been associating with a

813
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 16: celebrity psychic. I know nothing will shock you less that

814
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 16: Harry and Megan have become friendly with a celebrity psychic.

815
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 8: And she posted a message from Harry and Meghan.

816
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 16: She blurs out some of the message, so we don't

817
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 16: know what event they specifically spent time at, but they

818
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 16: thank her for her appearance at this event and they

819
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 16: say that they are looking forward to visiting Australia sometime

820
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Speaker 16: in the near future. Rita a day late and a

821
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Speaker 16: dollar short. I just talked to Tom Bauer about this

822
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Speaker 16: because he's got a new book coming out in March

823
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Speaker 16: that's going to be after this is like, you know,

824
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 16: the sequel to Revenge. Revenge was amazing, and in Revenge

825
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 16: she talks about that twenty eighteen trip to Australia and

826
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Speaker 16: how that's where Megan really got that bug that she

827
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Speaker 16: was eclipsing William and Catherine the Prince and Princess of Wales,

828
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Speaker 16: and she was so popular that she could make her

829
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Speaker 16: own rules, promises and demands. And that really starts mexit

830
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 16: right there. And I said to Tom about why did

831
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Speaker 16: she not nurture this relationship with Australia more, why has she,

832
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 16: you know, seemingly abandoned Australia. There's a few weeks ago,

833
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 16: and he said, because she wanted Hollywood, so Australia knows better.

834
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Speaker 16: Her polling has declined significantly there. I don't think they'd

835
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Speaker 16: get the welcome that they would want now.

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Speaker 3: I reckon yes, when they came out, because again, I

837
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 3: was one of the few people who could see through her.

838
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 3: I don't know how not everybody saw through her because

839
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 3: it was so obvious.

840
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: That it was an act.

841
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 3: But there was adulation at the time, sort of the

842
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: treatment she was getting in the UK initially until they

843
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 3: figured out who she was.

844
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 4: But I don't think it's going to be that warm

845
00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 4: this time around.

846
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: And I think the I think we were quicker than

847
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 3: the Yanks certainly to figure her out. I think, yes,

848
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 3: she's not going to be the Queen of Australia anytime

849
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,800
Speaker 3: soon now. Comedian Jeff Dye is joining the growing wave

850
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 3: of entertainers or leaving Los Angeles. He was on Joe

851
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 3: Rogan's podcast where he expressed concern about the direction California

852
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: was taking under the leadership of Gavin Newsom.

853
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Speaker 2: I could be guilty of being a victim of like

854
00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 2: what I'm absorbing in my algorithm, but like Gavin Newsom

855
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 2: scares out of me and I am I'm I don't

856
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: want to be a part of it.

857
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 14: Yeah, he wants to run the whole country too.

858
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 4: It's pretty wild, Kinsey.

859
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 3: I'm a fan of his, but I can't understand why

860
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: it's taken so long. California has been on a bad

861
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 3: path for some time now.

862
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 16: I promise you, I'm trying to get out of here.

863
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 16: I promise, I promise, I have I have plans. Okay,

864
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,280
Speaker 16: but this is interesting because in the past, Jeff told

865
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Speaker 16: Tomy Lren that he would stay in California because he

866
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Speaker 16: just loved and believed in it. So this change of

867
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 16: heart is newsworthy. But those observations about Newsom. Ever since

868
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 16: Gavin adopted this very aggressive and desperate, inauthentic attempt at

869
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 16: copying the Donald Trump political playbook, he's looked completely unstable

870
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 16: to the point of frightening, Like what is he doing

871
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 16: with his hands all the time?

872
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 3: And is he They're always I'm moving in very odd

873
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 3: ways when you talk, like I talk with my hands

874
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: a lot, but not like that He's It's just bizarre.

875
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Speaker 3: And the whole online persona where he's trying to out

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Speaker 3: Trump Trump it does it's not working. Gavin, go back

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Speaker 3: to whatever it was you were doing, which wasn't working either,

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Speaker 3: but at least you were embarrassing yourself before you go.

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Speaker 3: Michelle Obama has continued her book to our and she.

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Speaker 4: Sat down with Tracy Ellis Rawls.

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Speaker 3: She claimed that black women are trapped by the pressure

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Speaker 3: to keep their hairs straight.

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Speaker 17: Have a listen, let me explain something to white people.

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Speaker 17: Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a

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Speaker 17: curly pattern, so when we're straightening it to follow your

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Speaker 17: beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness. That's why

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Speaker 17: so many of us can't swim and we run away

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Speaker 17: from the water. People won't go to the gym because

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Speaker 17: we're trying to keep our hair straight.

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Speaker 3: For y'all, Kinsey, in ten seconds, sum up what's happening?

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Speaker 4: What is this misery to us she's doing. It's just

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Speaker 4: incessantly walking.

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Speaker 16: In ten seconds, I would tell you white people have

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Speaker 16: curly hair too, and I would say this is mean

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Speaker 16: spirited and a racist conversation. And what evil white woman

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Speaker 16: made her eating her hair that day? You know, I

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Speaker 16: just find this type of venomous conversation unproductive. And she

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Speaker 16: had very straight hair as she was complaining about it.

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Speaker 3: Kinsyschofield, thank you so much for your time, and that's

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Speaker 3: all the time we have Newsnight is up next.