WEBVTT - EP 45 - WHY DO MEN GET SO DEFENSIVE ABOUT WOMEN'S EXPERIENCES? 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:01.160 He's a thing, actually. 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:03.480 Apparently a lot of men aren't going down on their partners. 0:00:04.380 --> 0:00:10.480 I actually have also heard this. Why not? Zero-sum thinking is, 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:16.050 in this particular situation, is like thinking that because women 0:00:16.510 --> 0:00:20.829 are talking about their rights and things that are bad 0:00:21.150 --> 0:00:23.910 that happen to them, if you're a zero-sum thinker, you 0:00:23.970 --> 0:00:28.790 think that that takes away the bad things that have 0:00:28.830 --> 0:00:32.420 happened to men. Whereas both things can be true at 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.080 the exact same time. In your ovulation, you're feeling your prettiest. 0:00:35.100 --> 0:00:37.919 Feeling good. You know, you're feeling your horniest. Yeah. You're 0:00:37.940 --> 0:00:40.550 probably feeling, you're just feeling your best all around. I 0:00:40.620 --> 0:00:43.890 assume that's the best time. You could be right. To 0:00:44.090 --> 0:00:47.769 be doing like a marathon or training. Logically, that makes sense. 0:00:47.790 --> 0:00:50.449 As a man. That does make sense. 0:00:50.470 --> 0:00:50.989 As a man. 0:00:51.010 --> 0:00:53.330 Me over here with my 12-hour cycle. My 12-hour hormone cycle. 0:00:57.420 --> 0:01:10.080 The Relatable Podcast is hosted by myself, Jake Craig, a.k.a. 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:15.060 Daddy Dingle. And my partner in crime, Mr. Oddie Clark, a.k.a. Land. 0:01:15.380 --> 0:01:15.660 Land. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:16.100 Land. 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:16.679 Land. 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:22.960 Mommy Milkers. You didn't land. You don't like milkers? Milkers 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:25.440 is a nice nickname for you. That would be me saying, 0:01:25.500 --> 0:01:27.240 you got big chest. I got big pecs. 0:01:27.380 --> 0:01:29.740 Funnily enough, actually, me and Cassie were talking about this 0:01:30.260 --> 0:01:32.420 last night when we were going to sleep. She's like, 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:33.450 she doesn't know if she's. 0:01:33.390 --> 0:01:35.150 Going to breastfeed or not or whatever. That's her choice. 0:01:35.750 --> 0:01:38.789 She's like, would you taste my milk butt? And I said, yeah. 0:01:39.590 --> 0:01:39.950 So would I. 0:01:40.130 --> 0:01:40.310 Yeah. 0:01:44.540 --> 0:01:47.500 I was i was surprised when cassie told me she 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.520 would taste her own as well she goes yeah because 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:52.340 i thought like i thought i could read her and 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:53.890 i didn't think she would just because i don't know 0:01:54.230 --> 0:01:56.490 comes from her body you know she's like no i'll 0:01:56.510 --> 0:01:58.090 taste that shit she's like i wouldn't drink it i'll 0:01:58.130 --> 0:01:59.150 taste it oh she. 0:01:59.110 --> 0:02:01.910 Would taste it okay i don't know why i put 0:02:01.950 --> 0:02:03.930 it in the same category as this but i feel 0:02:03.950 --> 0:02:09.280 like look i'm not gonna judge right but Is it 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:12.239 crazy to think that Cassie drinking her own breast milk 0:02:12.340 --> 0:02:14.370 or tasting her own breast milk is kind of similar 0:02:14.380 --> 0:02:18.269 to maybe like me or you tasting our own cum? Nah, 0:02:18.310 --> 0:02:21.070 that's different, eh? You think it's different? Well, it's after 0:02:21.090 --> 0:02:23.389 a baby's been born. I think it's different. I would 0:02:23.530 --> 0:02:28.030 say that's different. Look, it is different. If you said 0:02:28.050 --> 0:02:30.389 to me, I've tasted my own cum, I'd be like, gross. Yeah, 0:02:30.410 --> 0:02:33.590 that's disgusting. What a start to the episode. But also, 0:02:33.690 --> 0:02:37.050 if someone has done it, I also would be like, hey. 0:02:38.230 --> 0:02:42.889 Curiosity gotcha. What was it like? No, that's disgusting. What 0:02:42.910 --> 0:02:46.250 was it like? I finished myself off and then I'm like, 0:02:46.290 --> 0:02:47.530 get that shit off me, please. 0:02:47.550 --> 0:02:49.800 No, I've never. 0:02:49.820 --> 0:02:52.299 I actually genuinely hand on how I can say I've 0:02:52.340 --> 0:02:54.519 never tried it, but I just don't think I could 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.640 judge someone that had. I would just be like, what 0:02:56.660 --> 0:02:59.360 does it taste like? Well, I've asked. My girlfriend. What 0:02:59.380 --> 0:03:02.160 it tastes like. It's gross, apparently. Just, like, salty. It's, like, 0:03:02.660 --> 0:03:04.989 it tastes as yuck, but it's the consistency that's gross. 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:05.430 Yeah. 0:03:05.490 --> 0:03:08.549 And apparently, sometimes, like, it, like, tastes different. And, like, 0:03:08.570 --> 0:03:11.470 I don't know if it's a placebo thing. It's, like, 0:03:11.490 --> 0:03:12.790 if you don't like them as much, it tastes a 0:03:12.810 --> 0:03:13.950 bit worse or whatever. 0:03:13.970 --> 0:03:16.690 Okay. But I'm not sure. Yeah, if they have a 0:03:16.730 --> 0:03:19.770 shitty diet. Yeah. You know, the whole pineapple thing. Yeah. 0:03:19.810 --> 0:03:22.549 Is that legit? If you eat pineapple or drink pineapple 0:03:22.570 --> 0:03:24.839 juice and, like, if you go down on your girlfriend 0:03:24.850 --> 0:03:26.850 after she's eaten pineapple. Pineapple would taste good. I thought 0:03:26.870 --> 0:03:28.470 it was the other way around. But no, it's the 0:03:28.510 --> 0:03:32.160 same thing. If I was to eat pineapple, my milk 0:03:32.740 --> 0:03:36.420 would taste better. Apparently. Here's the thing, actually. 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:38.920 Apparently a lot of men aren't going down on their partners. 0:03:39.680 --> 0:03:44.710 I actually have also heard this. Why not? It's a 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:47.670 good question. I don't know. I don't know why I've always... 0:03:47.110 --> 0:03:48.770 That's always been something that's turned me on. 0:03:49.090 --> 0:03:52.450 Oh, I get turned on massively. One, I would understand 0:03:52.510 --> 0:03:55.150 if they don't want to be gone down on every time. 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.400 Or whatever. Wait, do you mean if a man doesn't 0:04:00.420 --> 0:04:02.060 want to be going down every time? No, no, no. 0:04:02.100 --> 0:04:05.990 The other way around, like if the woman phase in 0:04:06.010 --> 0:04:07.910 their cycle, whatever, doesn't feel like, I don't want you 0:04:07.930 --> 0:04:09.570 to go down there, whatever, I just want to have sex. 0:04:09.590 --> 0:04:10.030 Understandable. 0:04:10.070 --> 0:04:12.490 But every once in a while, I can at least 0:04:12.650 --> 0:04:14.610 offer like, I don't know, three out of five times. 0:04:15.190 --> 0:04:17.650 I agree, yeah. I think it's got to be more than, 0:04:17.690 --> 0:04:21.800 you've got to offer more often than not. Yeah, 100%. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.589 It's a thing. Some guys don't like going down. Yeah. Yeah, 0:04:24.630 --> 0:04:26.270 this should be your... They don't like the taste. They 0:04:26.290 --> 0:04:29.430 don't like the feel. To the six men listening right now. 0:04:29.610 --> 0:04:32.270 I've had someone tell me that they had an ex 0:04:32.910 --> 0:04:35.670 who didn't like going down because they thought it was 0:04:35.890 --> 0:04:40.120 like licking a mango. Like a vagina? What? I thought 0:04:40.130 --> 0:04:40.750 it was like licking a mango. 0:04:40.810 --> 0:04:41.659 Also, mango is delicious. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.060 Yeah, true, actually. You know what? I wouldn't mind maybe 0:04:45.100 --> 0:04:48.350 cutting a mango up and just eating it that way, 0:04:48.380 --> 0:04:50.690 if I'm being completely honest with you, and getting real messy. 0:04:51.029 --> 0:04:54.410 Licking that shit up. Let's be real. It's about as 0:04:54.470 --> 0:04:57.729 messy as a mango. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They are messy. 0:04:57.750 --> 0:05:01.920 Especially if you do it right. Bro. 0:05:01.980 --> 0:05:05.660 Actually, on Patreon, we can plug it early, we did 0:05:05.700 --> 0:05:06.979 a course on how to eat pussy. 0:05:07.740 --> 0:05:09.300 Oh, that was ages ago. Yeah, it's still on Patreon. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.589 We watched a video on how to do it. Is there? 899? 0:05:11.580 --> 0:05:13.590 What was it called? Didn't she call it like the 0:05:13.630 --> 0:05:15.729 face melter or something? Yeah, it was just like you 0:05:15.770 --> 0:05:19.230 lick an ice cream. Don't overcomplicate things. I still think 0:05:20.210 --> 0:05:24.310 if you are a woman with a boyfriend whose skill 0:05:24.350 --> 0:05:28.720 level going down on you is subpar. You've got to 0:05:28.740 --> 0:05:33.870 cook there. You've got to recommend a few books. Just recommend. Honestly, 0:05:33.890 --> 0:05:37.130 just get him to read the chapters of Zayden and Violet. 0:05:37.390 --> 0:05:39.250 She explains the way he goes down on her so well, 0:05:39.720 --> 0:05:41.860 and I genuinely think of that when I do it. 0:05:41.860 --> 0:05:44.340 Do you think it's a technique thing, or if that's 0:05:44.380 --> 0:05:45.820 the case, if they've got to read books, more of 0:05:45.860 --> 0:05:50.080 like a confidence thing? He's down there being like, I 0:05:50.100 --> 0:05:53.240 don't know what to do. Or he's like, I'm fucking casting, 0:05:53.260 --> 0:05:55.120 I'm going to eat this thing until it fucking explodes. 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.000 Actually, that's a good point. It's like, is the build-up 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.470 part of it in the sense of how maybe... in 0:06:02.510 --> 0:06:05.570 books they kind of like growl and they're like i 0:06:05.589 --> 0:06:08.470 just want to taste you yeah knowing that if he 0:06:08.490 --> 0:06:10.589 goes like i just want to taste you would that 0:06:10.630 --> 0:06:12.450 turn you on heaps and go and like no matter 0:06:12.490 --> 0:06:14.850 how he does does it then feel. 0:06:14.650 --> 0:06:17.930 Good that's a good question actually i think it is 0:06:17.990 --> 0:06:20.810 because like sex is 100 as much as as a 0:06:20.890 --> 0:06:23.230 factor being the build-up as it is actual like sex 0:06:23.250 --> 0:06:26.450 sex yeah and like kissing and how like if you're 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:27.820 in a group have you ever been like kissing and 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:30.050 you're like like touching each other, then something happens. Like 0:06:30.089 --> 0:06:32.130 maybe a dog barks or the TV, you hit the 0:06:32.150 --> 0:06:33.740 remote and it goes really loud or something and. 0:06:33.690 --> 0:06:35.560 You lose the rhythm. Yeah, you can lose a bit 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:36.080 of rhythm for sure. 0:06:36.100 --> 0:06:37.500 Yeah, I feel like that takes away from the sex 0:06:37.540 --> 0:06:40.000 a little bit. I need a couple more minutes to 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:41.680 get back into it. 0:06:41.700 --> 0:06:49.700 No, very valid. Very valid. I will say, so I 0:06:49.740 --> 0:06:52.060 don't like even having a dog in the room, even 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:53.380 though they can't judge. 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:54.760 I don't like dogs sitting naked either. 0:06:55.339 --> 0:06:57.420 You don't like a dog seeing you naked? Nah, not really. 0:06:57.440 --> 0:07:01.030 Who cares? Me, I feel like he's got his own eyes. 0:07:01.670 --> 0:07:03.390 What do you think he's sitting there? Do you think 0:07:03.410 --> 0:07:06.430 a dog's judging you when you're naked? I always say, 0:07:06.450 --> 0:07:10.150 don't look hurly. He's also the family dog. To be fair, 0:07:10.170 --> 0:07:11.830 your dogs are both your dogs. Yeah. 0:07:11.890 --> 0:07:13.810 Like this dog could be going over and snitching to 0:07:13.830 --> 0:07:14.650 the family. 0:07:14.870 --> 0:07:18.980 The tea that they have on humans is next level. 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.760 What do you think Darcy, your sausage dog sounds like? Brat. 0:07:23.380 --> 0:07:25.790 Very bratty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm going to go, 0:07:26.170 --> 0:07:30.450 have you watched the show? Oh my God, what's it called? 0:07:31.550 --> 0:07:35.860 Uptown Girl. Or Uptown Girls, maybe? I've heard of it. Yeah, 0:07:35.900 --> 0:07:37.940 I'm going to go with the little girl from Uptown Girls. 0:07:38.100 --> 0:07:38.340 Okay. 0:07:39.020 --> 0:07:42.600 Kind of, she's very confident. And the reason she's very 0:07:42.640 --> 0:07:44.360 confident is because her mother works all the time. She's 0:07:44.380 --> 0:07:46.600 always got a new nanny. So she's very independent. Yeah. 0:07:46.820 --> 0:07:49.130 And Darcy's like not super independent. She's being a bit 0:07:49.150 --> 0:07:52.990 more independent now, but she's just like, you know, have 0:07:53.010 --> 0:07:58.480 you ever heard the, TikTok sound like News flash Take 0:07:58.540 --> 0:08:01.360 a look around Blah blah That's from that And I 0:08:01.380 --> 0:08:03.260 think Darcy sounds like that I think she's just like 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.200 Bratty Yeah Kind of gets what she was And I 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:07.100 think Henry. 0:08:06.820 --> 0:08:14.900 Cunt Beth and I have always thought this Beth and 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:17.520 I have always thought Henry Like douchey. 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:19.080 You guys keep him in check Yeah He's good He's 0:08:19.100 --> 0:08:21.920 got you two as owners Very douchey He could like 0:08:22.120 --> 0:08:25.760 Take advantage of Funnily enough, actually, I've noticed editing the podcast. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:27.560 You're a fan of You Wouldn't. 0:08:28.300 --> 0:08:30.070 Did you clip the thing of you calling out? 0:08:30.180 --> 0:08:33.240 I have it there and I'm in two minds of 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.140 whether I want to post it. 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.240 I can now say that they're a bad influence on you. 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:40.270 Why? You've started saying cunt. I know they say it 0:08:40.300 --> 0:08:44.970 all the time. Ten times more now. Your first reaction 0:08:45.030 --> 0:08:49.390 is fucking cunt. I need to stop saying it. What 0:08:49.410 --> 0:08:55.580 could we replace it with? What if I start saying aunt? Aunt? Yeah, 0:08:55.600 --> 0:08:57.380 I don't know. Do you know what else they do 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.240 on that show? They speak in, I think it's pig Latin. 0:09:00.780 --> 0:09:03.470 So it's like aunt K. I've never understood that though. 0:09:03.490 --> 0:09:06.350 They say like aunt K or you could be like 0:09:06.370 --> 0:09:07.950 egg J for my name. Egg J. 0:09:07.990 --> 0:09:10.650 Yeah, see, I do understand what you're saying. 0:09:10.710 --> 0:09:12.949 But it's just you take away the first letter, say 0:09:12.970 --> 0:09:14.550 the rest of the word, and then you take the 0:09:14.590 --> 0:09:17.729 first letter and just add like A on it. You're 0:09:17.770 --> 0:09:20.940 easily impressionable, mate. What do you want to do? For 0:09:21.220 --> 0:09:23.100 the word? instead of see you went to yeah what's 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:25.710 the Jake what I could say I could start saying 0:09:25.790 --> 0:09:29.210 see you next Tuesday you brought um broski back like 0:09:29.230 --> 0:09:30.850 a couple weeks ago you started saying broski a fair 0:09:30.870 --> 0:09:32.069 bit where'd that come from and you know what I 0:09:32.070 --> 0:09:33.530 actually don't even think that's from you wouldn't. 0:09:33.350 --> 0:09:34.849 Yeah I think I thought that maybe that's you you 0:09:34.870 --> 0:09:38.670 can do that and say like broski broski broski I 0:09:38.700 --> 0:09:42.260 keep feeling the floor vibrate yeah oh Sam is that 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:43.120 your phone. 0:09:45.460 --> 0:09:48.020 Ah shit well Oli what we haven't seen each other 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.140 for what how long a week was I with you 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:51.560 last week. 0:09:51.860 --> 0:09:54.300 We saw Noah Khan last, was that last Friday? 0:09:54.330 --> 0:09:57.810 A week and a half. A week and a half, 0:09:57.850 --> 0:09:59.430 I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we spoke about Noah 0:09:59.490 --> 0:10:00.440 Khan on the Patreon. episode. 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:01.040 We did. 0:10:01.059 --> 0:10:02.240 If you guys want to hear about that, you're probably 0:10:02.260 --> 0:10:03.560 going to have to go over there. Because it was good. 0:10:03.580 --> 0:10:05.200 Because we could go into it again, but we really 0:10:05.220 --> 0:10:08.150 did go into it. But what have you been up to? 0:10:08.170 --> 0:10:10.590 I enjoyed. 0:10:11.050 --> 0:10:12.980 I really like how we do things at the moment 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:15.260 where like we work for a week and then kind 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:16.980 of we do our own thing for a week, just edit, 0:10:17.380 --> 0:10:19.780 which is like our own time, which I thoroughly enjoyed. 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.040 I think Ryan in the gym and we started the 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.800 baddies 75 day bootcamp. 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:26.670 Yeah. Just a little fitness. 0:10:26.710 --> 0:10:28.030 So I'm not going to call it fitness, a little 0:10:28.610 --> 0:10:30.350 health cleanse on Patreon as well. 0:10:30.650 --> 0:10:33.550 Yeah. So also I think what I'm, so over on Patreon, 0:10:33.570 --> 0:10:36.829 we've done 75 days. what do we call it the 0:10:36.890 --> 0:10:40.489 baddies bootcamp 75 days basically so it's a version of 0:10:40.490 --> 0:10:43.069 75 hard I was actually explaining it to my younger 0:10:43.110 --> 0:10:47.189 brother I said like there's 75 hard and then someone 0:10:47.270 --> 0:10:50.600 people have created 75 soft which is obviously a soft 0:10:50.660 --> 0:10:53.660 version of 75 hard I think ours is like 75 0:10:53.660 --> 0:10:59.260 firm you know it's not it's not easy Yeah, but 0:10:59.300 --> 0:11:01.960 it's not soft. But it's not soft. And it's not hard. 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:03.900 If someone said to me, oh, what are you being 0:11:03.940 --> 0:11:05.319 up to? What are you triangling? I'm like, I'm doing 0:11:05.340 --> 0:11:08.360 the 75 soft. Sounds like I'm not getting a boner 0:11:08.380 --> 0:11:09.599 for a fucking 75 days. 0:11:10.660 --> 0:11:13.660 Like, no nut November. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.620 I'm doing 75 soft. If I get a boner, I 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:17.559 have to restart. I'm doing the baddies bootcamp. If I 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.700 cave and have a wank, I have to restart. 75 0:11:19.700 --> 0:11:21.760 days of no wanking. Here's the thing I don't like 0:11:21.800 --> 0:11:23.980 about 75 hard is the fact that it's like, You've 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:25.719 got to do this, this, this, this, this. And if 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.520 you miss one thing, you have to restart from day one. 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.199 And you have to do the whole 75 days. I 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:34.950 wanted to encourage that if you miss something, allow yourself 0:11:34.990 --> 0:11:38.010 a bit of forgiveness. Well, yeah, 75 Hard's. 0:11:37.730 --> 0:11:42.790 All about rewiring your brain in a toxic, misogynistic way, 0:11:42.830 --> 0:11:43.130 I think. 0:11:43.470 --> 0:11:48.100 It's about... What's it called? What's it saying? Discipline. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:52.520 Yeah, it's the whole thing of like... There's something about... 0:11:53.000 --> 0:11:56.470 I actually saw the funniest video on Instagram and it 0:11:56.710 --> 0:11:59.489 described me perfectly. It was like, do you know how 0:11:59.510 --> 0:12:01.110 there's a lot of, I hate to be in this category, 0:12:01.150 --> 0:12:03.330 but a lot of men on social media are now. 0:12:03.230 --> 0:12:05.130 Like, what do you call them? 0:12:05.150 --> 0:12:07.810 They're not quite in the manosphere, but they use Instagram 0:12:07.830 --> 0:12:09.630 as a business and they funnel everything. 0:12:09.410 --> 0:12:12.630 To their course. Yeah. I mean, yeah, it's hard sometimes 0:12:12.650 --> 0:12:16.250 because sometimes they aren't in the manosphere. But what would 0:12:16.270 --> 0:12:18.070 you even call, should we create a name for them? 0:12:18.330 --> 0:12:18.670 Yeah. 0:12:20.190 --> 0:12:25.310 Chris Griffin. I mean, what? Cispods. Cispods. Cispods. Cispods. Cispods. Yeah, yeah. 0:12:25.330 --> 0:12:29.150 Because cis means like, so you and I are cis 0:12:29.210 --> 0:12:29.630 white men. 0:12:29.750 --> 0:12:30.010 Yeah. 0:12:30.170 --> 0:12:31.750 I don't actually know what cis means. It's short for 0:12:31.770 --> 0:12:33.970 something anyway. I think it's something about being straight maybe. 0:12:34.190 --> 0:12:34.350 Yeah. 0:12:34.750 --> 0:12:36.900 But we can call them cispods. Yeah, okay. They're not 0:12:37.020 --> 0:12:39.720 quite in the manosphere, but they're like on the cusp. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:12:39.740 --> 0:12:42.959 And I saw some video describing how they get there. 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:44.800 And it was like, so most of these people start 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.179 off playing sport quite competitively, but they don't make it. 0:12:48.179 --> 0:12:50.140 They're not quite good enough, which is me. And then 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:50.880 they get into the gym. 0:12:51.110 --> 0:12:51.260 Yeah. 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:53.460 They start growing in the gym, start growing some muscles. 0:12:53.500 --> 0:12:55.800 And from the gym, they start to look really good. 0:12:55.820 --> 0:12:58.020 So they get really confident. Then they get some style 0:12:58.059 --> 0:13:00.470 about themselves. And so they look good. They feel good. 0:13:00.490 --> 0:13:02.590 They think they can take on the world. You know 0:13:02.610 --> 0:13:03.550 what the next thing they do is? 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:03.849 What? 0:13:03.950 --> 0:13:04.630 They sell a course. 0:13:04.650 --> 0:13:06.090 They start a business. They think that's how I can 0:13:06.130 --> 0:13:07.930 take on the world. I was like, I'm just lucky 0:13:07.950 --> 0:13:09.089 enough that our business is like. 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.900 Nice. You know what you got lucky with? Is the 0:13:12.940 --> 0:13:16.080 fact that we got women listening and not men. True. 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:19.500 Cause if we got men listening, I think we'd be fine. 0:13:19.660 --> 0:13:22.050 If we, if we got men list, look, I think 0:13:22.130 --> 0:13:24.650 this is who we are at our core. Right. But 0:13:24.710 --> 0:13:28.310 I do think if men listened, right. And they gassed 0:13:28.429 --> 0:13:31.790 up some of the, cause you know, back in the day, 0:13:31.809 --> 0:13:33.600 we've changed a lot since the podcast has started. If 0:13:33.640 --> 0:13:35.660 you go back all the way, like we were a 0:13:35.700 --> 0:13:39.080 bit more in, I'm still very influential, but just like, 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.699 I think having women listen and then comment things about 0:13:42.740 --> 0:13:44.660 things we say and just explain stuff and then us 0:13:44.700 --> 0:13:47.980 being willing to listen and change a mindset. I think 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:50.800 if it was men listening, maybe that wouldn't have happened. 0:13:50.860 --> 0:13:52.870 So you got lucky. We wouldn't have changed as much. 0:13:52.890 --> 0:13:56.569 You got lucky, mate. You might have jumped on some peptides. 0:13:56.950 --> 0:14:01.210 You'd be tan. You probably would have got a hair 0:14:01.250 --> 0:14:03.780 transplant even though you don't need it. and you would 0:14:03.800 --> 0:14:05.000 have started selling it for us. But you're going to 0:14:05.020 --> 0:14:06.740 get one anyway and we have the girl listeners. No, 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:07.939 but it's all right. I'm allowed to get one because 0:14:07.980 --> 0:14:11.059 I need it. I was just going to get it 0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:12.620 because it makes me... I was going to get that 0:14:12.740 --> 0:14:15.429 straight line so people know I sell it. I want 0:14:15.470 --> 0:14:16.470 that straight line. Really? 0:14:16.530 --> 0:14:17.030 I don't like it. 0:14:17.050 --> 0:14:19.270 I don't like the tiny... I want the straight line. 0:14:19.310 --> 0:14:22.450 Your hair looks good. No, but I'm actually not... I'll 0:14:22.470 --> 0:14:22.970 show the baddies. 0:14:23.010 --> 0:14:23.300 Fuck it. 0:14:24.030 --> 0:14:25.710 See, I think you get away with it, hey. Like 0:14:25.730 --> 0:14:27.650 the way you're... If you shaved your head or if 0:14:27.670 --> 0:14:28.930 you were a samurai... If I shaved my head, you'd 0:14:28.950 --> 0:14:31.050 be like... Or if you were a samurai, like you'd 0:14:31.070 --> 0:14:32.550 be stuffed with your hair tied up. His hair is... 0:14:34.540 --> 0:14:36.800 I saw a guy at the gym like two days 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:41.160 ago and the first thing I thought when I saw 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.900 this guy was it's time to give it up. He's 0:14:43.940 --> 0:14:49.070 got hair tied up, right? I'd let it go. But 0:14:49.690 --> 0:14:52.330 the hair he's got that's long goes from like the 0:14:52.550 --> 0:14:55.470 sort of like his mid crown, the classic thing, mid 0:14:55.530 --> 0:14:57.370 crown to the back of his head. That's all really 0:14:57.410 --> 0:14:59.670 long and tied up. The top of his head is 0:14:59.690 --> 0:15:03.880 like thin, short hair that he's trying to keep. And 0:15:03.900 --> 0:15:06.250 I thought, it's time to give up, bro. Imagine you 0:15:06.290 --> 0:15:09.990 went out to him and be like, it's time. It's time. 0:15:10.010 --> 0:15:13.650 You ever thought about maybe just shaving your head? Oh, yeah. 0:15:13.750 --> 0:15:16.630 I'm talking about that guy. Oh, yeah. I thought you 0:15:16.650 --> 0:15:17.970 were asking me a genuine question. It's a good way 0:15:17.990 --> 0:15:22.050 to get punched. All I do is just like fawn 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:24.180 over men these days. You do. Talking about you wouldn't 0:15:24.260 --> 0:15:25.680 just like, they won't even talk to me back. Luke 0:15:25.700 --> 0:15:27.840 Bateman was the first one. Luke Bateman. I didn't even last. 0:15:27.700 --> 0:15:28.120 Night, actually. 0:15:28.140 --> 0:15:29.840 We didn't even mention it. Has Pat not replied to you? 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:32.100 Still hasn't replied. Oh. But I was too scared to 0:15:32.140 --> 0:15:34.720 post the video. And I could always message him, but 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:38.300 I just thought, fuck, ball's in there, cool. Let's play 0:15:38.460 --> 0:15:41.540 my cards right. You say you're playing hard to get now. 0:15:42.060 --> 0:15:43.280 He's playing hard to get. 0:15:43.500 --> 0:15:45.280 He's playing hard to get. 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:46.540 He's the one that's playing hard to get. I'm not 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.540 going to go out there and beg him. I'm not 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.020 just going to beg you. You were. Well, no, no, 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:52.850 I'm not just going to beg them. I was going 0:15:52.870 --> 0:15:54.730 to try and start beef on Instagram. Should I go 0:15:54.770 --> 0:15:57.990 on your pod and say cunt with you? Please, Pat. 0:15:59.170 --> 0:16:02.530 I obviously am very influenceable though because so I listen 0:16:02.550 --> 0:16:04.750 to you wouldn't. You're a product of your environment. Now 0:16:04.790 --> 0:16:08.870 I'm saying can't. All right. And then also Beth says 0:16:08.930 --> 0:16:10.859 that when you and I are together, I end up 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:14.080 eating with my mouth open. I'm obviously, I just mirror people. 0:16:14.900 --> 0:16:18.560 Actually last night at dinner with Luke Bates, I actually, 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:20.619 oh my God. So I messaged him asking him to 0:16:20.660 --> 0:16:22.630 hang out and he goes, yeah, let's do this. So 0:16:22.650 --> 0:16:24.090 I said to Beth on Sunday, I'm going to go 0:16:24.110 --> 0:16:27.010 get dinner with Luke Bateman. She goes, you could just 0:16:27.050 --> 0:16:31.490 say Luke. You could, eh? I literally could. She goes, 0:16:31.970 --> 0:16:35.720 you don't know any other Lukes. You could just say Luke, eh? Yeah, 0:16:35.770 --> 0:16:37.500 now he's your friend too. And I was thinking. Keep 0:16:37.510 --> 0:16:40.200 name dropping. I said, that's valid. I do keep name dropping. Anyway. 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:43.940 He was talking about last night. In a long-winded way, 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.400 if this has got anything to do with me mirroring people, 0:16:46.760 --> 0:16:51.560 I wonder if he said that he has an anxious 0:16:52.100 --> 0:16:56.180 attachment style. He does. Opposed to some people have an 0:16:56.740 --> 0:16:59.770 avoidant attachment style. And so he explained it and he 0:16:59.830 --> 0:17:03.410 explained pretty much exactly how I am with a lot 0:17:03.430 --> 0:17:03.850 of people. 0:17:04.450 --> 0:17:04.670 Right. 0:17:05.050 --> 0:17:09.030 So I wonder if me mirroring is partly to do 0:17:09.150 --> 0:17:14.870 with anxious attachment. Because actually anxious attachment. What's the connection though? 0:17:15.570 --> 0:17:18.350 I don't know if it's like, if I mirror someone, 0:17:18.850 --> 0:17:21.730 they're going to like me like subconsciously type of thing. 0:17:21.750 --> 0:17:23.190 You know what I mean? It's like, they're going to 0:17:23.730 --> 0:17:26.780 have no reason. Like I won't be the one to 0:17:26.859 --> 0:17:30.310 upset them because I'm, Exactly like them? Yeah, 100%. I 0:17:30.310 --> 0:17:30.830 don't know. 0:17:30.869 --> 0:17:34.410 Well, because when we lived together, you were way more 0:17:34.430 --> 0:17:34.970 into the gym. 0:17:35.369 --> 0:17:35.550 Yeah. 0:17:35.570 --> 0:17:36.290 Because I love the gym. 0:17:36.510 --> 0:17:36.770 Yeah. 0:17:36.950 --> 0:17:39.949 And also, we used to surf as well. And now, 0:17:40.369 --> 0:17:42.810 I'm not as big a part of your life outside 0:17:42.830 --> 0:17:43.670 the podcast. 0:17:43.690 --> 0:17:45.450 You don't do it. You still gym occasionally, but it 0:17:45.470 --> 0:17:48.169 didn't stick as much. From the 75 hard starting? 0:17:48.310 --> 0:17:48.510 Yeah. 0:17:48.670 --> 0:17:49.869 Oh, what I wanted to say as well about it 0:17:49.930 --> 0:17:53.430 is you can still sign up for it. Yeah. Join Patreon. 0:17:53.580 --> 0:17:56.710 We're on day six as we record this. But join 0:17:56.750 --> 0:17:59.650 in at day 10, 20, 30, whatever. Do the last 0:17:59.650 --> 0:18:03.710 50 days. Do the last however many days. And then 0:18:04.310 --> 0:18:06.310 just be a part of the other one. You know, 0:18:06.330 --> 0:18:08.560 you got to go on Patreon, of course. It's $ 8. 99 0:18:08.460 --> 0:18:11.359 a month. Worth it. Worth it because you get to 0:18:11.380 --> 0:18:12.740 be part of the crew. We go in there. We 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:14.480 have updates all the time. We're having a good time. 0:18:14.760 --> 0:18:15.900 What was I talking about before that? 0:18:16.460 --> 0:18:19.220 You having an anxious attachment style. Could you switch it 0:18:19.240 --> 0:18:21.689 the other way though too because like, In your relationship, 0:18:21.869 --> 0:18:22.750 Beth loves dogs. 0:18:22.970 --> 0:18:23.150 Yeah. 0:18:23.470 --> 0:18:25.370 You also like dogs. Yeah. And you love them as well. 0:18:25.730 --> 0:18:27.800 I just know way more about them now. Yeah, but 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.740 like you've jumped into the deep end, I would say 0:18:30.800 --> 0:18:32.860 heavily influenced by Beth. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:18:32.900 --> 0:18:35.100 And is it a thing where like it's not a 0:18:35.140 --> 0:18:37.119 negative thing about it? What could the positive be of that? 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:40.179 Because like you just want to support who's in your. 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:41.310 Life and who you like to hang out with. 0:18:41.369 --> 0:18:43.250 That's a good point, actually. I don't think there is 0:18:43.330 --> 0:18:46.850 anything wrong with being either anxious attachment or avoidant attachment. 0:18:46.869 --> 0:18:48.890 I think as long as you're aware of it, that's 0:18:48.930 --> 0:18:50.750 the main thing because it's like you're going to react 0:18:50.830 --> 0:18:53.270 to something kind of without choosing how you react to 0:18:53.330 --> 0:18:56.210 it initially. You're going to feel certain feelings. But if 0:18:56.230 --> 0:18:59.150 you can be aware that it's like, oh, I know 0:18:59.170 --> 0:19:01.810 in the past I've been pretty bad with avoidant attachment 0:19:01.930 --> 0:19:05.859 or anxious attachment. And, you know, a situation comes up 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:08.740 where you're going, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're just wigging out. 0:19:09.190 --> 0:19:11.429 It's like, oh no, I need to make sure I 0:19:11.530 --> 0:19:13.090 recognize said thing. 0:19:13.290 --> 0:19:16.260 Well, yeah, I'm a big believer in if you do 0:19:16.340 --> 0:19:19.060 have something that is objectively a bad trait. 0:19:20.380 --> 0:19:22.440 People like make it sound like it's bad. 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:24.980 Yeah, but just being able to, like we're all human. 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:26.840 Everyone has like things that they need to work on 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.720 and like no one's perfect. And I think social media 0:19:29.740 --> 0:19:33.270 has built this false expectation that everyone's perfect. 0:19:33.710 --> 0:19:33.950 Yeah. 0:19:34.050 --> 0:19:35.629 Whereas in reality, if you have something wrong with you, 0:19:35.650 --> 0:19:37.510 the best thing you can do is, especially to people, 0:19:37.890 --> 0:19:39.669 who are close to you, tell them like, oh no, 0:19:39.890 --> 0:19:41.619 this actually makes me really anxious. And I'm like, I'm 0:19:41.619 --> 0:19:43.129 working on it, but also like I have an anxious 0:19:43.130 --> 0:19:45.530 attachment style. oh that's so fun oh yeah true. 0:19:45.369 --> 0:19:47.169 It's like don't use it as an excuse for things 0:19:47.230 --> 0:19:50.139 but just there's nothing wrong with having you don't have 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:52.700 to be perfect i know everyone feels like they do 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:55.580 yeah even if you think about it right like the 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.780 thing with social media is no one has a perfect 0:19:59.840 --> 0:20:02.800 life but on social media you just post the things 0:20:02.859 --> 0:20:06.419 that are going well yeah no one really posts the 0:20:06.460 --> 0:20:09.139 things that aren't going well And honestly, more often than not, 0:20:09.180 --> 0:20:10.939 the people that do post those things are the ones 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.250 that do the best on social media. Yeah, well, it's real. 0:20:13.670 --> 0:20:15.930 And that's what life's really about. And I think that's 0:20:15.950 --> 0:20:17.730 probably one of the worst things that's come from social 0:20:17.770 --> 0:20:20.230 media is like, it's not real. 0:20:21.250 --> 0:20:23.210 Nah. Like people's lives aren't aesthetic. 0:20:23.810 --> 0:20:25.290 It's funny too, because you see a lot of people 0:20:25.330 --> 0:20:27.850 saying like, I saw so-and-so in person and it looked 0:20:27.869 --> 0:20:28.870 nothing like their profiles. 0:20:29.270 --> 0:20:29.750 Obviously. 0:20:30.270 --> 0:20:30.650 Yeah. 0:20:30.790 --> 0:20:32.969 Like they've taken a thousand photos and they've picked the 0:20:33.090 --> 0:20:34.950 very best one, which I think is good for social 0:20:34.970 --> 0:20:36.130 media and running a business or whatever. 0:20:36.650 --> 0:20:39.169 Obviously, they look like everyone else. Everyone's got a bit 0:20:39.190 --> 0:20:40.450 of fat here or there. Everyone's got a little bit 0:20:40.470 --> 0:20:42.609 of acne. Everyone's a bit skinnier, a bit whiter, a 0:20:42.630 --> 0:20:44.830 bit fat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone's like, no one's 100% 0:20:44.830 --> 0:20:45.270 happy with themselves. 0:20:45.310 --> 0:20:47.070 No one walks around with just like a fucking full 0:20:47.350 --> 0:20:50.619 ripped six pack with who's been sweating on Melanotan in 0:20:50.630 --> 0:20:52.320 Bali for three weeks. And then you're like, fuck, he 0:20:52.340 --> 0:20:53.040 didn't look like that. 0:20:53.380 --> 0:20:56.520 I know. It's so hard not to compare yourself to 0:20:56.540 --> 0:20:58.300 other people. Oh, it's so hard. It's so difficult. 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.640 I think it's also hard to like accept that there's 0:21:01.740 --> 0:21:02.399 things wrong with you. 0:21:03.740 --> 0:21:04.080 Yeah. 0:21:04.100 --> 0:21:06.609 Yeah. Beth sent me a thing yesterday that was really, 0:21:06.730 --> 0:21:09.190 really cool. It was a guy actually on TikTok explaining. 0:21:11.010 --> 0:21:14.030 He said like, he goes full transparency when I used 0:21:14.070 --> 0:21:19.210 to see things about women's rights and just the way 0:21:19.250 --> 0:21:21.620 women are treated, all those things along those lines, right? 0:21:22.650 --> 0:21:26.060 He said it used to really aggravate him and piss 0:21:26.080 --> 0:21:29.780 him off, right? And he'd be like, oh, what about men? 0:21:30.560 --> 0:21:32.580 What about The things that happen to men. What about this? 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:35.070 What about that? And then he goes on to explain 0:21:35.090 --> 0:21:39.129 that that is called... It's a certain type of thinking. 0:21:39.170 --> 0:21:41.149 I might just quickly find it. It'll be easy to 0:21:41.190 --> 0:21:42.650 find because Beth sent it to me yesterday. 0:21:42.910 --> 0:21:44.490 It's like how your immediate thinking deflects. 0:21:44.590 --> 0:21:48.570 It's called zero-sum thinking. And so zero-sum thinking is that, 0:21:48.830 --> 0:21:52.050 funnily enough, fucking Luke explained it yesterday at an interview 0:21:52.070 --> 0:21:54.949 I watched him in. He did it. I called him Luke. 0:21:54.970 --> 0:21:55.149 I know. 0:21:55.170 --> 0:21:59.090 I really thought about that. So zero-sum thinking is... In 0:21:59.150 --> 0:22:01.910 terms of, so let's say you're a man and women's 0:22:01.970 --> 0:22:04.989 rights triggers you and you're like, what about men? What 0:22:05.010 --> 0:22:08.670 about this? What about that? Blah, blah, blah. So zero-sum 0:22:08.690 --> 0:22:12.790 thinking is in this particular situation is like thinking that 0:22:13.369 --> 0:22:19.060 because women are talking about their rights and things that 0:22:19.300 --> 0:22:22.800 are bad that happened to them. If you're a zero-sum thinker, 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:27.680 you think like that that takes away the bad things 0:22:27.700 --> 0:22:31.179 that have happened to men. Whereas both things can be 0:22:31.220 --> 0:22:33.899 true at the exact same time, right? Like you are 0:22:34.080 --> 0:22:38.560 allowed to listen and be compassionate and feel empathy and 0:22:38.680 --> 0:22:41.380 want things to change for women. And you're also allowed 0:22:41.940 --> 0:22:43.960 to feel the same way about bad things that have 0:22:43.980 --> 0:22:44.440 happened to men. 0:22:44.660 --> 0:22:46.770 It should not be in the same conversation almost. 0:22:47.070 --> 0:22:50.629 So it's like, it's similar to, let's say you have 0:22:50.670 --> 0:22:53.930 an argument with a girlfriend, with your girlfriend, right? And 0:22:54.070 --> 0:22:56.730 she brings something up that's hurt you. And then you go, well, 0:22:57.430 --> 0:23:01.399 you did this that hurt me. you know, why, why 0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.670 she's bringing up something that hurt, that hurt her. Yeah. 0:23:05.210 --> 0:23:06.869 Why are you then, it's like a kind of a 0:23:06.890 --> 0:23:08.930 zero sum, zero sum way to think, to be like, well, 0:23:08.950 --> 0:23:09.869 you've done this that hurt me. 0:23:09.990 --> 0:23:12.159 And the brain does go there kind of just like that. 0:23:12.180 --> 0:23:12.859 You get defensive. 0:23:13.140 --> 0:23:14.600 Yeah, and you've got to catch yourself out. I catch 0:23:14.640 --> 0:23:16.100 myself out all the time if we have a little 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:18.160 argument or disagreement. I'm like, no, we're not talking about that. 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:20.120 And I haven't talked about it, so that's my problem. 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:22.520 Exactly, yeah. It's like it's your fault. Don't just feel 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:24.379 like now that stuff's getting brought up, you just get 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:28.639 to bring stuff up because it deflects. It's just a 0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:30.600 tactic of trying to get them to feel bad, I guess. 0:23:30.660 --> 0:23:31.980 It deflects the issue too, yeah. 0:23:32.520 --> 0:23:36.879 Like there's this video, right, of I think that there's, 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:37.860 you know Jordan Peterson? 0:23:38.220 --> 0:23:38.460 Yeah. 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:42.990 There's this video of him like, oh. completely obliterating feminist 0:23:43.090 --> 0:23:47.050 interviewer okay and so she'll talk about uh she talks 0:23:47.090 --> 0:23:50.760 about like the effects of patriarchy on women right and 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:56.300 then his way of completely obliterating her was saying well 0:23:56.680 --> 0:24:00.160 you know everyone in manual labor is men most people 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:02.119 you always hear that yeah most people in prison are 0:24:02.180 --> 0:24:04.780 men yeah most people that kill themselves are men And 0:24:04.800 --> 0:24:07.459 that's a zero-sum way of thinking because you're just trying 0:24:07.500 --> 0:24:11.780 to undermine. That makes so much sense of an example. Yeah. 0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.500 Isn't that fucking like when stuff gets explained to you 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:18.220 in that way, you just think like, we're dumb. We're 0:24:18.340 --> 0:24:19.359 dumb as fuck. 0:24:19.460 --> 0:24:21.570 Well, the first time you experience it too is just like, 0:24:21.590 --> 0:24:23.149 I don't know if this is a good example or not, 0:24:23.170 --> 0:24:25.290 but like say I have an issue or whatever, I 0:24:25.330 --> 0:24:27.530 come to you and be like, I don't know, like 0:24:28.270 --> 0:24:29.330 I've been really sad lately. 0:24:29.550 --> 0:24:29.690 Yeah. 0:24:29.869 --> 0:24:31.770 And you go, well, there's kids starving in Africa. 0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.120 Yeah. It's the same. 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:38.440 You experienced that in high school. 0:24:38.540 --> 0:24:40.500 It's not dissimilar, to be fair. 0:24:40.540 --> 0:24:42.880 Obviously, that's a terrible issue that there's diving kids in Africa. 0:24:42.900 --> 0:24:43.879 But also, I'm still sad. 0:24:44.609 --> 0:24:46.930 It's actually not so dissimilar. That's a good point. 0:24:46.950 --> 0:24:48.270 I didn't know it had a name like that. 0:24:48.490 --> 0:24:53.230 Zero-sum thinking. And it happens with everything, right? Zero-sum thinking 0:24:53.270 --> 0:24:58.810 in the way of maybe, I don't know, a big 0:24:58.830 --> 0:25:03.470 influencer starts a podcast. And we go, fuck them. That's 0:25:03.609 --> 0:25:07.959 our thing. It's like there's enough slices of pizza to 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:12.580 go around, you know? Like there's enough. I think you 0:25:12.859 --> 0:25:14.960 actually bring up a good point right there. 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:19.200 For some reason, like there really is enough slices of 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:24.550 pizza for every single person, for every single industry. But 0:25:24.590 --> 0:25:26.910 for some reason, we get greedy and we think, no, 0:25:26.930 --> 0:25:27.510 that's our thing. 0:25:27.530 --> 0:25:28.969 No, I did that. I did that first. 0:25:29.350 --> 0:25:31.850 And rather than help someone or get inspired by someone 0:25:31.950 --> 0:25:33.550 or talk to someone and say, hey, you inspired me. 0:25:33.570 --> 0:25:35.810 We try and we steal content or we're like, no, 0:25:35.869 --> 0:25:37.389 I'm at the top. I'm going to stay here. No 0:25:37.430 --> 0:25:38.889 one can touch me. Literally. 0:25:38.910 --> 0:25:40.430 We have that mindset, especially in Australia. 0:25:42.230 --> 0:25:44.010 Everyone talks about Australia being like that. I feel like 0:25:44.030 --> 0:25:46.409 this whole world's like that. I agree. Like, is it 0:25:46.490 --> 0:25:47.970 that bad in Australia? Really? 0:25:48.790 --> 0:25:51.170 I reckon just like something's going on in Australia. 0:25:51.190 --> 0:25:51.620 It's just like. 0:25:52.390 --> 0:25:54.490 I can't put in the words what's going on in Australia. 0:25:54.530 --> 0:25:57.109 It's just bad vibes. People talk about tall poppy syndrome 0:25:57.130 --> 0:25:59.369 in Australia, right? And everyone says it's really bad. And 0:25:59.390 --> 0:26:01.390 there's all these videos about tall poppy syndrome. There's tall 0:26:01.410 --> 0:26:07.660 poppy syndrome that. But is it actually that bad is 0:26:08.220 --> 0:26:14.780 my question. Because genuinely, have we experienced it? Yeah. We 0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:16.700 lost all our friends because of this podcast. Is that 0:26:16.780 --> 0:26:18.700 why we lost all our friends? Or did we just 0:26:18.740 --> 0:26:21.080 grow apart? I think it's a combination of both. I 0:26:21.100 --> 0:26:23.080 don't think we started the podcast and they just went, 0:26:23.560 --> 0:26:26.920 fuck them. I think, yeah, but it's not as simple 0:26:26.980 --> 0:26:29.520 as that. It's more like, I think there's a subconscious 0:26:29.540 --> 0:26:32.600 thing right there. Like they think, oh, Audie and Jake 0:26:32.619 --> 0:26:35.660 think they're too good for us now. Kind of. So 0:26:35.680 --> 0:26:36.800 that's how it can show itself. 0:26:36.820 --> 0:26:39.050 And we don't think that. yeah at all and i 0:26:39.070 --> 0:26:40.970 think that's what it's just like it's it's it's why 0:26:41.020 --> 0:26:43.320 i struggle to put it into words this subtle thing 0:26:43.390 --> 0:26:45.719 where your friends say they want the best for you 0:26:45.740 --> 0:26:47.899 but when the best starts happening for you they're no 0:26:47.940 --> 0:26:50.820 longer there yeah how does that make any sense realistically 0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:52.760 they would never tell you but they want you to 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:54.840 be doing as badly as they are they want you 0:26:54.859 --> 0:26:57.000 to be doing the same as them or worse yeah 0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:59.600 100 and that's also another um we that's another thing 0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:03.619 we learned that is a that's another consequence of patriarchy 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:05.600 yeah and i think i don't like like i feel 0:27:05.619 --> 0:27:09.060 like Tall poppy syndrome is grouping this complex problem into 0:27:09.100 --> 0:27:10.220 like a simple analogy. 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:11.550 And when humans aren't that simple. 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.630 And that's when like every single scenario is different. Like 0:27:14.670 --> 0:27:17.209 some person might be having a car rental business that's 0:27:17.230 --> 0:27:20.230 doing really well. That's his version of tall poppy syndrome. 0:27:20.270 --> 0:27:21.869 And then they're saying the same thing with us in 0:27:21.910 --> 0:27:22.750 a podcast or whatever. 0:27:23.010 --> 0:27:27.129 That's fine. I guess that's fair. We put a question 0:27:27.150 --> 0:27:29.530 on Instagram a few days ago asking what topics you 0:27:29.550 --> 0:27:33.260 want to see on the pod. Hell yeah. And I've saved... 0:27:33.310 --> 0:27:35.530 Let me go onto my photos. I screenshotted a couple. 0:27:35.609 --> 0:27:39.050 I saved four of them. Okay. Number one I saved 0:27:39.090 --> 0:27:41.649 was people want us to talk about the women's menstrual 0:27:41.690 --> 0:27:45.830 cycle phases should be very informative for men and women. 0:27:46.890 --> 0:27:49.970 So I actually did a quick search for us and 0:27:49.990 --> 0:27:52.359 I looked it up. Okay. Because I know of... I 0:27:52.380 --> 0:27:54.720 was going to put you like, yeah. Yeah, I was 0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.720 going to... I know luteal phase and I know menstruation. Yeah. Menstruation, 0:27:57.760 --> 0:27:58.379 which is the bleeding. 0:27:58.420 --> 0:27:58.740 Yeah. 0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:00.959 So I've got it here for us to learn. Okay, good. 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.540 So number one thing I knew was that the cycle, 0:28:05.220 --> 0:28:09.180 women go through a 28-day hormone cycle. Here it says 0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.639 it's 21 to 38. Not every woman is going to 0:28:11.660 --> 0:28:15.720 be the same. Usually a period duration is three to 0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.960 eight days of bleeding. So some women can get three days, 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:22.480 some people can get more, very complex. 0:28:22.500 --> 0:28:24.580 You know what we found out the other day, our 0:28:25.359 --> 0:28:27.379 friend who just had a baby that She told us 0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:29.650 some people don't get their period back for years after 0:28:29.690 --> 0:28:30.210 having a baby. 0:28:30.450 --> 0:28:30.990 I didn't know that. 0:28:31.470 --> 0:28:33.070 Or you can get it like up to like a 0:28:33.150 --> 0:28:34.050 month after having a baby. 0:28:34.070 --> 0:28:34.750 Isn't that crazy? 0:28:34.810 --> 0:28:35.990 I was like, and the difference. 0:28:36.050 --> 0:28:38.190 And once you get it back, pretty much means you 0:28:38.470 --> 0:28:40.190 can go ahead and have another baby if you want. Yeah. 0:28:40.210 --> 0:28:41.969 And it shows how different people's bodies are. Because like 0:28:42.070 --> 0:28:43.890 a month compared to some people wait 18 months to 0:28:43.910 --> 0:28:44.530 get their period back. 0:28:44.690 --> 0:28:45.430 Yes, bro. 0:28:45.630 --> 0:28:45.930 All right. 0:28:45.950 --> 0:28:50.610 So the four phases. We've got menstruation, one to seven days. 0:28:51.470 --> 0:28:55.190 And we've got the cycle begins in the first day 0:28:55.230 --> 0:29:00.160 of bleeding. The unfertilized uterine lining sheds through the vagina, 0:29:00.700 --> 0:29:04.800 which typically lasts three to seven days. Common symptoms include cramping, fatigue, bloating, 0:29:04.900 --> 0:29:05.800 and lower backache. 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:06.239 Yep. 0:29:07.640 --> 0:29:11.380 Follicular phase. I've heard the word. I haven't heard that. 0:29:11.540 --> 0:29:13.920 I've heard the word from a TikTok. No idea what 0:29:13.940 --> 0:29:17.980 it is. Okay. I haven't heard that. It says days 0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:22.780 one to 14. Starting on day one and overlapping with menstruation. 0:29:23.540 --> 0:29:30.090 The pituitary gland releases follicle-stimulating hormone, FSH, to mature eggs 0:29:30.240 --> 0:29:33.650 in the ovaries, rising estrogen levels, causing the uterine lining, 0:29:33.990 --> 0:29:35.630 the endometrium, to thicken. 0:29:35.650 --> 0:29:37.290 That's very interesting. 0:29:37.330 --> 0:29:38.070 Interesting. 0:29:38.670 --> 0:29:38.950 Here we go. 0:29:38.950 --> 0:29:41.640 I did know this one, actually. Ovulation. Yeah. We all 0:29:41.660 --> 0:29:44.660 know ovulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That starts at around day... 0:29:44.600 --> 0:29:45.440 The way you said that. 0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:46.720 What? 0:29:46.740 --> 0:29:52.320 Everyone hears of ovulation. I'm ovulating. We all know ovulation. 0:29:53.200 --> 0:29:58.820 Around day 14, a surge in... luteinizing hormone, LH, triggers 0:29:58.860 --> 0:30:02.150 the release of a mature egg from the ovary into 0:30:02.170 --> 0:30:06.070 the fallopian tube. This creates roughly a six-day fertile window 0:30:06.110 --> 0:30:08.910 where pregnancy is possible. These are all rough numbers, by 0:30:08.930 --> 0:30:10.470 the way. This is all like, there's big ranges here, 0:30:10.490 --> 0:30:14.570 I assume. Last one, luteal. Again, I need a luteal phase. 0:30:14.630 --> 0:30:19.020 Day 15 to 28, the ruptured follicle becomes the corpus 0:30:19.220 --> 0:30:24.160 luteum and produces progesterone to maintain the thickened uterine lining. 0:30:24.610 --> 0:30:27.650 If pregnancy does not occur, hormone levels drop, leading to 0:30:27.670 --> 0:30:30.430 the start of the next menstrual period. 0:30:30.790 --> 0:30:31.010 Bro. 0:30:32.230 --> 0:30:34.090 Not going to lie. That was actually very informative. That 0:30:34.110 --> 0:30:35.730 was very informative. That was actually informative. 0:30:36.030 --> 0:30:38.410 I even just think like women's bodies are amazing. 0:30:38.930 --> 0:30:42.060 So here we go, right? Actually, I'm not sure. I 0:30:42.180 --> 0:30:45.120 don't think Beth will mind. Beth got her period yesterday. 0:30:45.580 --> 0:30:45.800 Okay. 0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:49.000 So that means that she's on day, pretty much on 0:30:49.060 --> 0:30:52.180 day two of the 28-day cycle. She's on menstruation, but 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:55.410 also her follicular phase has just begun. So I'm going 0:30:55.430 --> 0:30:58.010 to keep those things in mind. So what's the date? 0:30:58.310 --> 0:31:03.270 In about 14 days, 26th of October, it's ovulation baby. 0:31:04.710 --> 0:31:07.090 Do you reckon she would appreciate or be like too 0:31:07.130 --> 0:31:10.100 much if you go, oh, for my calculation, you're in 0:31:10.120 --> 0:31:14.480 your follicular phase right now. She goes, I just started bleeding. 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.700 And I go, ah, that's menstruation and follicular, all right. 0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:19.460 And then I go, wait a second, you know what? 0:31:19.820 --> 0:31:23.600 In about two weeks time- That'll be ovulation. I'll see 0:31:23.620 --> 0:31:29.820 you then. That's terrible. That's terrible. And then so luteal 0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:33.980 day 15. Okay. So luteal phase, I believe is the 0:31:34.020 --> 0:31:39.120 phase where, because it's actually technically, it's the lead up 0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:44.070 to menstruation, which is the bleeding. I believe that that 0:31:44.130 --> 0:31:47.810 is the phase where women experience, if they're going to 0:31:47.850 --> 0:31:53.680 experience a lot of, I believe the luteal phase is 0:31:53.740 --> 0:31:54.840 where that is occurring. 0:31:55.940 --> 0:31:58.860 I've always thought too, like such a hard thing to 0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:00.700 juggle is baddies. 0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:01.020 Let me know. 0:32:01.040 --> 0:32:05.450 What's the best, like if you're running a marathon or 0:32:05.510 --> 0:32:08.670 doing a sporting event, what's the best phase within your 0:32:08.750 --> 0:32:12.850 cycle to like do a race or compete competitively, emotionally 0:32:12.890 --> 0:32:13.390 and physically? 0:32:13.410 --> 0:32:17.209 Actually, that's a great question. I dare say, I'm going 0:32:17.230 --> 0:32:22.000 to assume the ovulation phase. That's at least just from 0:32:22.060 --> 0:32:25.080 this short bit of information here, I'm assuming where everything 0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:30.120 is at the most consistent level. Yeah. So I would assume. 0:32:30.200 --> 0:32:34.360 And like also in the ovulation phase, we all as 0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:37.350 men know that that is when women feel their most horny. Yeah. 0:32:37.590 --> 0:32:41.930 Because we're all disgusting pigs. And so surely, you know, 0:32:41.970 --> 0:32:43.930 you're feeling your best. Like in your ovulation, you're feeling 0:32:43.950 --> 0:32:46.650 your prettiest. Feeling good. You know, you're feeling your horniest. Yeah, yeah. 0:32:47.110 --> 0:32:50.580 You're probably feeling your best all around. I assume that's 0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.760 the best time. You could be right. To be doing 0:32:53.780 --> 0:32:58.920 like a marathon or training. Logically, that makes sense. As 0:32:59.260 --> 0:33:00.900 a man. As a man. Me over here with my 0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:08.020 12-hour cycle. My 12-hour hormone cycle. So that's, hey, baddies, 0:33:08.040 --> 0:33:10.660 that's menstruation. We've got the phases down pat. 0:33:11.400 --> 0:33:16.510 If you didn't know, now you do. 0:33:16.570 --> 0:33:20.700 Next one. date ideas oh okay good ones and bad 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.740 ones to avoid let's start with bad ones okay bad 0:33:23.840 --> 0:33:27.480 ones drive-thru okay are we going date ideas in terms 0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:30.640 of first date yeah let's do bad date ideas for 0:33:30.700 --> 0:33:36.070 first date go drive-thrus oh okay obviously. 0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:38.350 Um well i think a bad date is anything you 0:33:38.390 --> 0:33:40.630 just don't put effort into okay yeah yeah like you 0:33:40.650 --> 0:33:43.730 can make any date good if you've shown, you've thought 0:33:43.770 --> 0:33:46.100 about it and planned something. It doesn't always work out, 0:33:46.110 --> 0:33:46.970 but that's part of the fun. 0:33:46.990 --> 0:33:49.770 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And being present and thinking like, I'm 0:33:49.790 --> 0:33:51.810 going on a date with X, Y, Z or whatever. Yeah. 0:33:51.970 --> 0:33:54.670 And she likes, da, da, da, da, da, da. And 0:33:54.690 --> 0:33:55.770 you have a couple of things planned. 0:33:55.890 --> 0:33:56.090 Yeah. 0:33:56.110 --> 0:33:57.410 That's what I think makes up a good date. 0:33:57.530 --> 0:33:59.610 Yeah. Was it a bad day for you then? I 0:33:59.650 --> 0:34:06.050 want to say, I actually, in my ignorance when I 0:34:06.090 --> 0:34:11.410 was younger, have done this before. Don't do anything That 0:34:12.340 --> 0:34:14.440 is gonna don't. So this is from a man, right? 0:34:14.460 --> 0:34:16.720 And I'm talking to men right now. If don't invite 0:34:16.739 --> 0:34:18.620 a woman on a first date somewhere where you guys 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:24.500 are going to be alone, not surrounded by people. You 0:34:24.540 --> 0:34:26.459 have to think about how safe she's going to feel. 0:34:27.020 --> 0:34:31.620 So like no Bush walks, right. Go in a public place. Right. 0:34:32.080 --> 0:34:34.839 And just like, I want to say, focus on her 0:34:34.980 --> 0:34:38.440 safety on making her feel safe. Like, Think of places 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:42.760 where it's like she's going to be– because like every woman, 0:34:43.660 --> 0:34:46.739 I can tell you right now, every single woman when 0:34:46.840 --> 0:34:49.819 asked on a first date, they will be considering their 0:34:49.860 --> 0:34:54.109 safety the first thing they think of. I would say 0:34:54.140 --> 0:34:58.810 big tip is like don't go anywhere private. Don't do 0:34:58.870 --> 0:34:59.790 that type of shit. 0:35:00.310 --> 0:35:02.290 Also, a lot of the time too, like a first date, 0:35:02.310 --> 0:35:05.150 you might already know that I'm going on a date 0:35:05.170 --> 0:35:06.730 with Jake and he's a nice guy. 0:35:06.770 --> 0:35:08.790 Yeah. like you've been friends you may know yeah you 0:35:08.810 --> 0:35:09.830 may have known each other for a while so it's 0:35:09.850 --> 0:35:13.200 like yeah i'm talking like yeah yeah i agree yeah 0:35:13.219 --> 0:35:14.640 you know what i mean and i'm not gonna lie 0:35:14.840 --> 0:35:16.839 in my ignorance before i just thought like oh yeah 0:35:16.880 --> 0:35:18.259 butch walk would be a great first date we walk 0:35:18.300 --> 0:35:21.239 and talk yeah yeah yeah and then um i just 0:35:21.260 --> 0:35:24.660 remember maybe a couple years ago learning about the fact 0:35:24.700 --> 0:35:26.920 that like women think about their safety obviously so so 0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:28.799 much because men are historically so violent towards women and 0:35:28.820 --> 0:35:32.040 do things like that um i remember thinking yeah one 0:35:32.080 --> 0:35:34.800 time i asked a I remember that she came, it 0:35:34.820 --> 0:35:35.960 was actually, it was good. We had a good chat, 0:35:35.980 --> 0:35:38.020 but like, I remember thinking, dang, she probably thought she 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:40.860 got lucky. You're not a serial killer. Yeah. Like she 0:35:40.880 --> 0:35:42.359 probably thought, is this guy going to steal me? Why 0:35:42.380 --> 0:35:45.080 is he choosing Bushwalk? I mean, like that's so weird. 0:35:45.180 --> 0:35:45.460 Yeah. 0:35:46.040 --> 0:35:52.370 Um, so good date ideas. Uh, okay. Good date ideas 0:35:52.410 --> 0:35:55.130 to me. You can choose good ones, like go to 0:35:55.150 --> 0:35:57.529 a nice fancy restaurant. Like that'd be nice. Put effort 0:35:57.550 --> 0:35:58.270 in plan the day. 0:35:58.310 --> 0:35:58.610 Yeah. 0:35:58.630 --> 0:35:58.810 Yeah. 0:35:59.370 --> 0:36:01.589 Um, I always think it's good to have a plan. 0:36:02.200 --> 0:36:02.779 I think that's cool. 0:36:02.800 --> 0:36:03.839 A plan is the biggest tick. 0:36:03.880 --> 0:36:07.660 I like saying, I like a plan. It's like, let 0:36:07.700 --> 0:36:13.230 them know the category of attire. I agree. We're going 0:36:13.250 --> 0:36:15.230 to a fancy place. Yes. 0:36:15.830 --> 0:36:17.890 Sort of show, not authority. 0:36:17.930 --> 0:36:18.320 What is it? 0:36:18.350 --> 0:36:20.509 Like, don't say anything like, if you want. 0:36:21.070 --> 0:36:21.790 Oh, yeah. 0:36:21.830 --> 0:36:23.730 Kind of be like, I've got a day plan. This 0:36:23.750 --> 0:36:25.270 is the vibe. This is what I'm wearing. 0:36:25.450 --> 0:36:28.080 Yeah. This is kind of the vibe. Put a bit 0:36:28.100 --> 0:36:30.060 of effort into that shit, I reckon. But again, it's like, 0:36:30.670 --> 0:36:32.580 What he was saying, a good date could be anything. 0:36:32.820 --> 0:36:34.339 I like a bit of like a three-parter. 0:36:34.380 --> 0:36:37.360 So you start with maybe like a nice sunset if 0:36:37.380 --> 0:36:39.550 you're a drinker, but I like snacks. And you bring 0:36:39.590 --> 0:36:41.170 snacks and a little picnic and maybe. 0:36:41.030 --> 0:36:42.030 A little speaker. 0:36:42.070 --> 0:36:44.630 You start there and you say dinner reservations at 7. 0:36:44.630 --> 0:36:45.270 Yeah. 0:36:45.469 --> 0:36:47.719 Go get dinner. And if dinner's good, you then go 0:36:47.739 --> 0:36:48.859 to Sweet Treat after and if. 0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.319 It's not good. You'd leave. Unfortunately, you go, I got 0:36:51.340 --> 0:36:51.980 to wrap this up. 0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:52.280 Yeah. 0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:54.819 And I like having something before the restaurant too, because 0:36:54.860 --> 0:36:57.339 it's more personable. And like being in a restaurant, the 0:36:57.390 --> 0:36:59.259 loud noises and me getting to know someone wigs me 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:00.850 out a bit. I think it does for both people. 0:37:00.930 --> 0:37:02.770 And I feel like I'm not in the conversation as much. 0:37:02.950 --> 0:37:06.710 I like an activity before dinner. It's the same. Yeah. 0:37:06.810 --> 0:37:08.570 So I like, so let's say you're going to do picnic. 0:37:08.590 --> 0:37:11.170 You could bring painting with dinner or something like that. 0:37:11.210 --> 0:37:14.470 An activity, a card game to play with someone. Beth 0:37:14.489 --> 0:37:16.990 and I's first date, we went, we were going to go, 0:37:17.130 --> 0:37:18.810 I actually, I did this terribly. We were going to 0:37:18.830 --> 0:37:21.719 go aquarium. And I thought, we'll go aquarium because I've 0:37:21.739 --> 0:37:24.529 never been. Just why not? We'll go look at cool animals, 0:37:24.570 --> 0:37:26.790 cool fish and stuff. And then it's an activity and 0:37:26.810 --> 0:37:28.230 it gives us something to talk about when we go 0:37:28.310 --> 0:37:31.730 have dinner. And so it was actually closed. I remember that. 0:37:32.170 --> 0:37:36.129 And so then we went to an arcade. Next best 0:37:36.150 --> 0:37:37.549 thing in my opinion. Let's be real. We went to 0:37:37.570 --> 0:37:40.009 an arcade. And then we went and had dinner. It 0:37:40.050 --> 0:37:41.450 really breaks the tension. 0:37:41.910 --> 0:37:42.089 Yeah. 0:37:42.210 --> 0:37:45.210 In my opinion. I agree. Yeah. I like the three-parter. 0:37:45.390 --> 0:37:45.650 Yeah. 0:37:45.710 --> 0:37:47.240 And then make the reservation too. 0:37:47.380 --> 0:37:47.560 Yeah. 0:37:47.739 --> 0:37:50.280 And here's the thing. Like, yeah. Oh, yeah. Make the reservation. 0:37:50.340 --> 0:37:51.880 Don't be like, oh, like, oh, we might go to 0:37:51.900 --> 0:37:52.480 the pub after. 0:37:52.660 --> 0:37:54.420 Yeah. Like, don't just be like, oh, we're going to 0:37:54.440 --> 0:37:56.420 try and walk in somewhere. Yeah. Unless you're in an 0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:58.590 area where they're just a bunch of places to take walking. 0:37:58.850 --> 0:38:00.370 I think also, like, just book it anyway. 0:38:01.110 --> 0:38:02.790 I think it's so cool to go up and they go, hi, 0:38:02.830 --> 0:38:05.130 how are you? Yeah, it's a reservation for Jake. Yeah. 0:38:05.150 --> 0:38:08.450 And they go, then, like, she's thinking, let's go play. Yeah, 0:38:08.469 --> 0:38:13.189 a little tip too, like make the reservation something cool 0:38:13.210 --> 0:38:15.040 to do with her name, like something you might call her. 0:38:15.100 --> 0:38:17.160 Like for you, it'd be Pickle. Oh, that's when you 0:38:17.180 --> 0:38:17.720 went dating. 0:38:17.739 --> 0:38:20.500 Yeah, but like when you're like tuning or whatever, you 0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.440 normally come up with a stupid little nickname. 0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:27.690 Yeah, let me think. Yeah. That's a good point. I 0:38:27.950 --> 0:38:30.089 called her Casimiro before we'd met. 0:38:30.110 --> 0:38:31.250 Oh, right. 0:38:31.270 --> 0:38:33.150 So I'd be like, I'm booking for Casimiro. 0:38:33.250 --> 0:38:35.130 Yeah, okay, fair. I'll go booking for Casimiro and then 0:38:35.150 --> 0:38:37.000 she'd laugh. She goes, you're so silly. Yeah. I hope 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:39.460 that helps. I hope that helped. Breakup advice. 0:38:39.980 --> 0:38:40.400 Fuck. 0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.359 Rip the bandaid off. Yeah. Do it in person. Yeah. 0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:48.960 That's my only advice. Don't do it over text. Don't 0:38:48.980 --> 0:38:55.290 do it over text. Breakup advice. I would say, let 0:38:55.310 --> 0:38:57.150 yourself feel the feelings. 0:38:57.930 --> 0:38:58.169 Yes. 0:38:58.510 --> 0:39:01.390 Distract yourself, of course. Distract yourself. Hang out with friends more. 0:39:01.410 --> 0:39:03.759 Go do these things. Distract yourself. Keep yourself busy. If 0:39:03.780 --> 0:39:05.239 you want to go to the gym, this, that. 0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:07.180 Oh, like actual, like getting over a breakup? 0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.239 Yeah. Okay. As in like once you've broken up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:39:10.260 --> 0:39:13.120 But at the same time, feel the feelings. They're there 0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:16.250 for a reason. You know, you're allowed to feel something. 0:39:16.390 --> 0:39:18.810 That's the whole point of being a human. Don't try 0:39:18.850 --> 0:39:21.489 and just like completely avoid it. Don't heart a man. 0:39:21.510 --> 0:39:21.810 Yeah. 0:39:21.850 --> 0:39:24.469 If you're going to cry, cry. Feel that feeling. Talk 0:39:24.489 --> 0:39:27.190 about it with your friends. I'm feeling this at the moment. 0:39:27.230 --> 0:39:28.950 I'm feeling like at this stage. The other day, I 0:39:28.969 --> 0:39:32.569 was angry. you know feel like talking about it and 0:39:32.590 --> 0:39:35.010 letting it out is gonna be the best way to 0:39:35.710 --> 0:39:39.149 release the emotion well completely I would say I wish 0:39:39.890 --> 0:39:42.839 I talked about my the one breakup that really did 0:39:42.860 --> 0:39:44.799 hurt me I wish I spoke about it more it 0:39:44.820 --> 0:39:47.540 feels like such a burden to talk about your problems 0:39:47.560 --> 0:39:49.839 to other people when you're young yeah And like I 0:39:49.860 --> 0:39:54.100 remember going through a breakup and just it consumed me. 0:39:54.360 --> 0:39:56.540 But I didn't let anyone know that it consumed me. 0:39:56.820 --> 0:39:57.040 Yeah. 0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:58.419 Which is the hard thing. 0:39:58.719 --> 0:39:58.919 Yeah. 0:40:00.320 --> 0:40:01.860 That's a good point. You just try to act like 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:03.549 you're fine. Yeah. You just really try to act like 0:40:03.570 --> 0:40:05.410 you're fine. And sometimes you don't always want to bring 0:40:05.430 --> 0:40:06.930 it up because it is like nice. Your friends do 0:40:06.969 --> 0:40:08.650 help you forget for a bit. Yeah. 0:40:08.750 --> 0:40:10.730 That was the best thing about like our friendship group. 0:40:10.830 --> 0:40:12.169 It's a bit of escapism. Yeah. 0:40:12.469 --> 0:40:15.170 Like from six o'clock till when you go out and 0:40:15.210 --> 0:40:17.130 we used to drink. Like that time I wasn't thinking 0:40:17.170 --> 0:40:20.100 about my ex ever. it's a great feeling it is 0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:23.560 a good it's almost addictive too which maybe isn't good 0:40:23.580 --> 0:40:25.160 sometimes it's good yeah it'd be good. 0:40:25.040 --> 0:40:27.100 To do a healthy habit like i don't know yeah 0:40:27.120 --> 0:40:29.460 go for a walk 100 no i think so um 0:40:29.739 --> 0:40:31.880 last one i chose was someone said thoughts on the 0:40:31.920 --> 0:40:34.529 cornell seven and how men can be more active in 0:40:34.590 --> 0:40:38.690 calling out problematic men um i assume you've seen i've 0:40:38.710 --> 0:40:40.410 seen a bunch of the cornell seven yeah what does 0:40:40.430 --> 0:40:42.169 she mean by the second part of that she said 0:40:42.310 --> 0:40:45.719 what are your thoughts on How men can be more 0:40:45.940 --> 0:40:49.089 active in calling out problematic men. Right, yeah, yeah. So 0:40:49.110 --> 0:40:53.969 first off, thoughts on Cornell 7. Fucked. Bro, it's like... Disgusting. 0:40:54.469 --> 0:41:00.859 It's obviously so, so terrible. And we actually... We haven't 0:41:00.900 --> 0:41:07.060 spoken about it publicly on the podcast at all. And 0:41:07.260 --> 0:41:11.610 it's so... I think the way I feel about it 0:41:12.590 --> 0:41:15.640 and what... it makes you angry. And I think what 0:41:16.480 --> 0:41:20.239 is sucks is like how, when you think about it, 0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:21.169 so it's like, it makes me angry. 0:41:21.210 --> 0:41:21.470 Right. 0:41:21.950 --> 0:41:25.689 But it's thinking about how women feel because they got like, 0:41:26.270 --> 0:41:29.690 their punishment was like writing a fucking essay, bro. 0:41:29.950 --> 0:41:32.370 Like it almost makes. 0:41:32.250 --> 0:41:35.969 You feel helpless. It, it would, it makes me feel 0:41:36.010 --> 0:41:39.510 annoyed that women are like, Oh my God. Like clearly 0:41:40.230 --> 0:41:43.200 they just give such a zero fucks about us. that 0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.560 their punishment is an essay just explaining what they did 0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:49.200 was bad, and then they're just chill. 0:41:50.030 --> 0:41:53.650 Yeah, and even more, like, obviously the seven people who 0:41:53.670 --> 0:41:54.910 did it, terrible. 0:41:55.410 --> 0:41:58.870 Then there's 52. I think it was like 57 or something. 0:41:58.870 --> 0:42:02.250 57 who obviously didn't say a single word. 0:42:02.350 --> 0:42:05.069 Do you think that's normal? Yeah. 0:42:05.270 --> 0:42:08.710 That's a massive problem in itself where, like, put that 0:42:08.750 --> 0:42:09.529 on a broader scale. 0:42:09.780 --> 0:42:10.180 I know. 0:42:10.260 --> 0:42:11.400 Like all the things going on in the world and 0:42:11.440 --> 0:42:14.020 like all these comments and you're seeing an insight into 0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.840 men's friendship groups and how men view women. 0:42:17.060 --> 0:42:17.259 Yeah. 0:42:17.540 --> 0:42:19.540 And they probably didn't have a second thought that there 0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.030 was something terrible going on right there. And that makes 0:42:22.330 --> 0:42:25.710 me angry and scared. I'm coming from a fucking man 0:42:25.750 --> 0:42:26.669 and I feel terrible too. 0:42:26.930 --> 0:42:29.330 I know. Yeah. And it's like, you know, putting in 0:42:29.350 --> 0:42:32.470 the group chat, like free pussy at whatever the fraternity 0:42:32.530 --> 0:42:37.070 is called. Oh, I don't know how people like that exist. 0:42:37.750 --> 0:42:40.350 And so here's something that's been bothering me as well 0:42:40.390 --> 0:42:43.440 is that people go, oh, there's more info coming out. 0:42:43.450 --> 0:42:45.750 There's more info coming about, about. So Jane Doe is 0:42:45.790 --> 0:42:48.049 what they're calling the woman, right? There's more info. There's 0:42:48.070 --> 0:42:54.160 more info. And it's like, oh, she has text messages. 0:42:54.460 --> 0:42:57.420 It was all consensual. People saying it was all consensual, right? 0:42:57.760 --> 0:43:01.460 And it's like, so to my knowledge at the moment, 0:43:02.739 --> 0:43:06.109 it was consensual with two of the men. Right. That's 0:43:06.340 --> 0:43:10.209 to my knowledge. I please like articles in the comments or, 0:43:10.310 --> 0:43:12.730 or correct us if we're correct me if I'm wrong. Um, 0:43:13.810 --> 0:43:17.130 but so people are coming out and saying like, you know, 0:43:17.170 --> 0:43:20.589 she gave consent to this, but like when you just 0:43:20.890 --> 0:43:24.760 talk about how she went back to a fraternity house, 0:43:25.620 --> 0:43:30.440 blind drunk gets given ketamine, right. Her choice to take 0:43:30.460 --> 0:43:34.480 the ketamine of maybe, maybe, you know she chooses to 0:43:34.540 --> 0:43:40.020 take drugs right she's like passed out in what world 0:43:40.200 --> 0:43:42.859 do you think that even asking a woman to have 0:43:42.930 --> 0:43:45.790 sex is appropriate let alone if she says yes or 0:43:45.830 --> 0:43:50.330 not you know and then it's like you mean for 0:43:50.550 --> 0:43:53.770 hours seven different men went in there and had sex 0:43:53.790 --> 0:43:56.629 with her and everyone's like oh but it was consensual 0:43:57.850 --> 0:43:59.489 and they're like oh what was she doing there i 0:44:00.030 --> 0:44:01.500 don't know She thought she was going to have a 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:03.800 good time. And then she took drugs and fucking passed 0:44:03.860 --> 0:44:05.649 out and got raped by seven men. 0:44:05.810 --> 0:44:06.029 Yeah. 0:44:06.469 --> 0:44:09.649 You know, it's a very, we live in a world 0:44:09.690 --> 0:44:17.350 that's like very just broken in that sense. 0:44:17.670 --> 0:44:21.660 When to answer her question too, she said, how can 0:44:21.700 --> 0:44:23.370 men talk about it? 0:44:23.739 --> 0:44:26.339 How can men be more active in calling out problematic? Yeah. 0:44:26.360 --> 0:44:28.040 So the one thing, so when we had Luke Bateman 0:44:28.060 --> 0:44:30.060 on the pod too, he didn't, he couldn't answer it. 0:44:30.060 --> 0:44:34.410 It's like, Yes, 100% men need to talk about it 0:44:34.450 --> 0:44:36.570 more and call out their friends. But there's still an 0:44:36.630 --> 0:44:37.350 issue with like. 0:44:39.230 --> 0:44:41.169 We talked about at the start with men not listening 0:44:41.190 --> 0:44:44.149 to our podcast. If there's no sort of mindset shift 0:44:44.190 --> 0:44:45.930 or there's no willingness to change. 0:44:45.950 --> 0:44:46.989 You're talking on deaf ears. 0:44:47.390 --> 0:44:50.370 Yeah, it's like we want to do our part as 0:44:50.410 --> 0:44:52.950 much as we can, but we're talking to 95% women demo. 0:44:53.130 --> 0:44:55.380 Yeah, so then we become in two minds of like... 0:44:56.350 --> 0:44:58.450 why are we just talking to people that know exactly 0:44:58.489 --> 0:45:00.730 what we're talking about but then again you know there's maybe. 0:45:00.550 --> 0:45:02.790 Five and obviously i think it's still you have to 0:45:02.830 --> 0:45:04.509 do it 100 and that's the right thing to do 0:45:04.550 --> 0:45:07.680 but then like for us to realize like how can 0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:11.379 we make a difference and help change those statistics just 0:45:11.440 --> 0:45:13.259 a little bit but like you said the deaf ears 0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:15.100 aren't listening so you can't fucking help. 0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.319 Them yeah it's a good point i think that And. 0:45:17.260 --> 0:45:18.879 I can't wrap my head around how I would love 0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:20.640 to come with strategies, how you could help. 0:45:20.580 --> 0:45:22.839 Him in talking to schools. I think it's something to 0:45:22.960 --> 0:45:25.839 think about, obviously. And then there's probably people we can 0:45:25.900 --> 0:45:27.420 talk to about it, which would be really cool. Like 0:45:27.460 --> 0:45:30.600 that Tarung guy on Instagram, we've actually had contact with him. 0:45:30.610 --> 0:45:32.210 We just need to be in Melbourne if we want 0:45:32.230 --> 0:45:37.029 to speak to him. But so I think calling people out, 0:45:37.070 --> 0:45:41.190 not being afraid to lose friends. It's got to be peer-to-peer, 0:45:41.310 --> 0:45:45.379 one thing. Another thing I think is just actually communicating 0:45:45.890 --> 0:45:48.860 talking about it so like let's just say you and 0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:51.219 i don't have this podcast and we still hang out 0:45:51.239 --> 0:45:53.660 with our big wider group of friends i think that 0:45:53.700 --> 0:45:57.180 if you're a man that's just um you know has 0:45:57.219 --> 0:46:00.660 a big group of guy friends and none of you 0:46:01.340 --> 0:46:04.750 have spoken about let's say this cornell seven situation in 0:46:04.810 --> 0:46:09.469 particular i think just actually talking about it right and 0:46:09.830 --> 0:46:11.529 all it takes is one of you to just bring 0:46:11.590 --> 0:46:13.270 up the conversation and be like have you heard of 0:46:13.290 --> 0:46:16.089 the cornell seven everyone's going to say Yeah, I've seen that. 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.529 Because like, how can you miss it, really? How can 0:46:18.550 --> 0:46:20.810 you miss it? And then it's like, you just have 0:46:20.850 --> 0:46:23.910 to be, I guess, brave enough for if someone goes, yeah, 0:46:23.950 --> 0:46:25.810 I'm sick of fucking hearing about it, blah, blah, blah. 0:46:26.070 --> 0:46:27.170 You just have to be brave enough to be like, no, 0:46:27.210 --> 0:46:28.950 I think this is so fucked up. Like, what do 0:46:28.969 --> 0:46:31.390 you guys actually think? And if your friends think it's like, 0:46:32.090 --> 0:46:35.920 not bad, then you're... it's like you got to just 0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:37.700 call them out and maybe they're going to shun you 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:39.819 from the group, but you have done the right thing. 0:46:39.860 --> 0:46:41.940 And hopefully maybe at least one of your friends in 0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:44.140 that group that didn't stick up for you when you 0:46:44.160 --> 0:46:46.299 were getting maybe bullied for trying to say that it's 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:51.140 a bad thing. Hopefully they then also eventually they're like, 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:52.430 I wish I stuck up for him, but I didn't. 0:46:52.510 --> 0:46:54.450 And they're still scared, but then hopefully they become brave 0:46:54.469 --> 0:46:55.430 enough to then say something. 0:46:55.630 --> 0:46:55.930 Yeah. 0:46:56.070 --> 0:46:58.710 And I guess to use the word brave and it 0:46:58.790 --> 0:47:00.969 feels like it's a brave thing to do to talk 0:47:01.010 --> 0:47:02.950 up to your friends, but it should be normal. 0:47:03.150 --> 0:47:06.180 I know. And, A big thing I've noticed is it's 0:47:06.219 --> 0:47:14.160 like men find it hard to talk about how men 0:47:14.219 --> 0:47:17.540 are so violent towards women, how men always rape women, 0:47:17.640 --> 0:47:19.140 all this type of thing, right? Men find it so 0:47:19.160 --> 0:47:20.739 hard to talk about. But when you really think about it, 0:47:21.660 --> 0:47:25.509 it's not hard to talk about. Like just saying in 0:47:25.550 --> 0:47:28.230 your group of friends like, oh, how bad is it 0:47:28.310 --> 0:47:31.830 that 99% of rape and murder is committed by men? 0:47:32.890 --> 0:47:33.089 Right? 0:47:33.250 --> 0:47:35.250 Just, just talking about it is actually not a hard 0:47:35.270 --> 0:47:37.390 thing to do because you're just saying words, but then 0:47:38.050 --> 0:47:42.730 reflecting on it is what men find difficult. Actually reflecting. 0:47:42.850 --> 0:47:45.830 The whole thing with men is they're always right. And 0:47:46.090 --> 0:47:49.710 they can't have those conversations and admit that they've done 0:47:49.750 --> 0:47:52.799 something wrong or something like that. It's that egotistical mindset. 0:47:52.989 --> 0:47:54.860 I think it's the zero sum way of thinking. I 0:47:54.890 --> 0:47:56.500 think that's what it is. It's like, because they all 0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:58.920 get defensive. What about men? Or it's not, it's not 0:47:58.980 --> 0:48:02.790 all men. It's not, it's, Or what about how fucking 0:48:02.850 --> 0:48:04.850 men are affected? What about how men kill themselves? I 0:48:04.890 --> 0:48:07.290 think it's that zero-sum way of thinking. And then again, 0:48:07.350 --> 0:48:10.450 if you have learned about zero-sum thinking, you can then say, oh, look, no. 0:48:11.070 --> 0:48:14.120 Two problems can exist at the same time, guys. Right? 0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:18.640 Men can be terrible to women, but men can also 0:48:18.780 --> 0:48:20.799 be killing themselves. Those things can happen at the same time, 0:48:20.820 --> 0:48:22.339 but I'm just not talking about the men killing themselves 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.530 right now. That's terrible. But I'm talking about something different. 0:48:25.550 --> 0:48:26.710 That's the best way to put it right there. 0:48:26.830 --> 0:48:30.050 Yeah. So it's like if you're scared to bring something up, then... 0:48:30.850 --> 0:48:34.830 You just have to, you know, if you really care, just, 0:48:35.370 --> 0:48:42.890 I guess, just care. Like, I wish we learned more 0:48:42.930 --> 0:48:45.600 when we were younger. You know what I'm saying? Because 0:48:45.620 --> 0:48:48.239 I just think back to times where I could have 0:48:48.260 --> 0:48:50.739 spoken up at certain things. I think back to times 0:48:50.800 --> 0:48:53.120 where I myself was misogynistic. 0:48:53.360 --> 0:48:56.600 I wish we learned younger too, but also like, it's 0:48:56.620 --> 0:48:59.620 not an excuse, but you need, life experience to understand 0:48:59.660 --> 0:49:00.260 the issues. 0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:00.819 Yeah. Yeah. 0:49:00.840 --> 0:49:01.180 Yeah. 0:49:01.239 --> 0:49:03.219 Yeah. I just, you know, I wish I could go back. 0:49:03.380 --> 0:49:05.380 Part of the problem is those, the people who, the 0:49:05.420 --> 0:49:08.040 men who aren't listening, those deaf ears aren't mature. 0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:09.960 And then here's my other thing, right? Is that's why 0:49:09.980 --> 0:49:13.170 they don't listen. That's so true. There's always going to 0:49:13.250 --> 0:49:16.770 be men that, unfortunately, there is always going to be 0:49:16.810 --> 0:49:18.310 men that rape and murder women. 0:49:18.930 --> 0:49:19.129 Right. 0:49:19.489 --> 0:49:22.299 And so, the only thing with that that I and 0:49:22.620 --> 0:49:24.859 like there's some people that you will just not change 0:49:24.880 --> 0:49:28.660 their minds they will not hear you and um with 0:49:28.719 --> 0:49:31.279 that it's like what needs to happen there is the 0:49:31.590 --> 0:49:35.489 governments in my personal opinion do a terrible job at 0:49:35.530 --> 0:49:43.549 this the um the penalty for that needs to be much, 0:49:43.690 --> 0:49:47.690 much worse. You know what I mean? That's the issue. 0:49:47.790 --> 0:49:49.250 I like the parole thing. 0:49:49.310 --> 0:49:52.460 Yeah. Like the whole, like I was talking to my 0:49:52.500 --> 0:49:55.200 mom in Canada and she said like, Oh, it just 0:49:55.239 --> 0:49:57.580 is a well-known thing here that like men in Australia 0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.319 just beat their wives. She goes, people here would just 0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:02.020 be like, yeah, that's a thing we've heard from, from 0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:02.779 when we were young. 0:50:03.020 --> 0:50:03.239 Right. 0:50:03.739 --> 0:50:06.359 And cause it's really bad in Australia. And so she's 0:50:06.400 --> 0:50:07.739 talking about it and we go, yeah, we listened to 0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:09.520 this podcast once. I've talked about it on here. Like 0:50:10.000 --> 0:50:12.680 Abby Chatfield had this guy, Dr. Vincent Hurley on. And 0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:15.210 he said something that would bring the numbers down is 0:50:15.550 --> 0:50:18.689 if men were not let out on parole for harming 0:50:18.730 --> 0:50:21.250 a woman. Because they get let out on parole and 0:50:21.270 --> 0:50:23.839 quite often then go murder a woman. And it makes 0:50:23.860 --> 0:50:26.840 so much sense, right? And then Abby Chatfield goes, oh, 0:50:27.100 --> 0:50:28.560 that makes so much sense. Why isn't that the case? 0:50:28.620 --> 0:50:31.750 And he goes- Because there isn't enough prisons. I've heard 0:50:31.770 --> 0:50:33.469 that before. And so then we said that to mom. 0:50:33.530 --> 0:50:35.509 Build them in the middle of Australia. So we said 0:50:35.530 --> 0:50:37.230 that to my mom. Where it's hot and sucks. My 0:50:37.250 --> 0:50:39.140 mom goes, oh, you guys just say that in such 0:50:39.180 --> 0:50:41.040 a matter of fact way. Like, does that not make 0:50:41.060 --> 0:50:43.379 you angry? And Beth and I kind of thought, yeah, 0:50:43.400 --> 0:50:45.759 we've just like said that as if we've accepted that 0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:50.020 that's just why. Why aren't, why isn't the government building 0:50:50.040 --> 0:50:50.279 more prisons? 0:50:50.300 --> 0:50:52.219 We're already in a trillion dollars of debt. Go build 0:50:52.260 --> 0:50:53.700 a jail and get another million dollars. 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:55.609 I prefer my threat to be my, my, I would 0:50:55.620 --> 0:50:57.930 prefer like our debt to be going towards building prisons 0:50:58.030 --> 0:51:00.950 so that the sentencing for violence against women can actually 0:51:01.030 --> 0:51:05.190 be proper sentencing and make it. So there's more incentive 0:51:05.210 --> 0:51:07.450 to not do it, which is insane to say, but 0:51:07.469 --> 0:51:11.400 at the same time, it's like, yeah, I don't know. 0:51:11.420 --> 0:51:13.000 That's so I could look a bit of a rant, 0:51:13.020 --> 0:51:14.799 but that's, I guess that's where I am. Right? No, 0:51:14.820 --> 0:51:15.180 that's good. 0:51:15.219 --> 0:51:17.380 And there's, I can finish it on one thing. Oh, 0:51:17.989 --> 0:51:19.009 I don't know how to do it. 0:51:19.450 --> 0:51:24.230 Is like the first sort of gateway to all these 0:51:24.290 --> 0:51:27.010 issues is what men consume online. 0:51:27.690 --> 0:51:27.930 Yeah. 0:51:28.650 --> 0:51:30.969 And it's a lot of the time actually men on 0:51:30.989 --> 0:51:34.150 podcasts and they say some misogynistic things and it gets 0:51:34.170 --> 0:51:35.770 a lot of clicks or whatever. And I don't know 0:51:35.810 --> 0:51:36.750 how to do it. And I don't want to, I 0:51:36.790 --> 0:51:39.170 don't like putting ourselves on a pedestal and calling out 0:51:39.230 --> 0:51:41.009 other men and saying we're better than them, but I'd 0:51:41.050 --> 0:51:44.120 like to somehow figure out a strategy where like, break 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:45.710 it down sort of like how you did just then 0:51:45.770 --> 0:51:48.049 or articulate how Luke Bateman does and you go this 0:51:48.130 --> 0:51:50.330 is wrong for this this and this this is the 0:51:50.390 --> 0:51:52.529 effects of what you're saying da da da da da 0:51:52.570 --> 0:51:55.750 and like duet a video or whatever I've actually thought 0:51:55.790 --> 0:51:57.830 about because I see I see something they. 0:51:57.770 --> 0:52:00.739 Infuriate me oh yeah and. 0:52:00.660 --> 0:52:02.640 These guys are like fucking 30 to 40 year old 0:52:02.680 --> 0:52:04.719 men with kids and wives and they're talking about like 0:52:04.760 --> 0:52:07.299 how they view women and then like impressionable 18 year 0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:08.299 old men are saying this and being. 0:52:08.219 --> 0:52:10.160 Like he watches the footy I really like him that 0:52:10.180 --> 0:52:14.910 guy's successful yeah I've thought about is there a video 0:52:14.969 --> 0:52:17.529 that maybe you make it, maybe I make it, maybe 0:52:17.570 --> 0:52:19.150 Luke Bain makes it, maybe we need to get a 0:52:19.230 --> 0:52:20.040 bunch of men to make it. 0:52:20.050 --> 0:52:23.319 But I've always thought of this video in the last 0:52:23.340 --> 0:52:25.359 couple of weeks, I've thought that I want to post 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:29.299 a video where you started off with like somehow get 0:52:29.360 --> 0:52:31.780 through to people where it's like, okay, so this video 0:52:31.820 --> 0:52:35.400 is for men and this video is for, I want 0:52:35.440 --> 0:52:37.620 this video to be shared to men that have just 0:52:37.680 --> 0:52:39.960 said like, not all men or just that have just 0:52:39.980 --> 0:52:41.799 said like, I don't care about this because it doesn't 0:52:41.840 --> 0:52:43.460 affect me type of thing. It's like, I want this 0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.779 video to just live around here forever. And just, I 0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:47.620 want people to save it. And I want, I just 0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:50.020 want you to send it to someone who you think 0:52:50.140 --> 0:52:52.510 needs to hear it. True. Right. And then you just 0:52:52.570 --> 0:52:55.069 go through and you explain like, Oh, saying not all 0:52:55.090 --> 0:52:57.930 men is stupid for this reason. Like just explain it. Like, 0:52:57.969 --> 0:53:00.210 don't say you're a dumb, like you're a terrible human. 0:53:00.230 --> 0:53:01.970 Just like explain it. Like, this is why it's bad. 0:53:02.390 --> 0:53:03.830 And so we need to figure out a way how 0:53:03.870 --> 0:53:07.100 to play the social media game where it gets the 0:53:07.140 --> 0:53:12.780 reach it deserves. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, just, Bashing 0:53:12.820 --> 0:53:16.080 men clearly isn't going to work because of how defensive 0:53:16.140 --> 0:53:23.270 we are. Thanks for the topics, Baddies. 0:53:23.450 --> 0:53:25.049 Yeah, thank you very much. But it's time for one 0:53:25.070 --> 0:53:26.830 of you to sign off the episode. If you want 0:53:26.850 --> 0:53:28.850 to get called by Jake or myself, the link will 0:53:28.870 --> 0:53:31.489 be in the description. Jake, today, who are we going 0:53:31.510 --> 0:53:32.030 to call? 0:53:32.610 --> 0:53:32.850 Tim? 0:53:33.170 --> 0:53:33.410 Hello. 0:53:33.830 --> 0:53:34.310 Is this Tim? 0:53:36.360 --> 0:53:38.259 Yes, you're speaking to Tim. 0:53:38.540 --> 0:53:40.560 Tim, it's Jake and Adi from the Relatables podcast. How 0:53:40.620 --> 0:53:40.850 are you? 0:53:43.270 --> 0:53:44.410 Oh, my God. 0:53:44.650 --> 0:53:47.879 Yes. Sorry. You probably thought it was a scam call, 0:53:47.890 --> 0:53:52.200 didn't you? You sounded so suspicious, Tim. You were like, 0:53:52.280 --> 0:53:58.299 this is Tim speaking. Anyway, Tim, we wanted to ask you, 0:53:59.219 --> 0:54:01.110 did Odi say a couple of weeks ago to you 0:54:01.140 --> 0:54:02.120 that he was going to call you back? 0:54:03.390 --> 0:54:05.430 A couple of weeks ago. About a month ago, I think. 0:54:05.469 --> 0:54:06.430 Yes. 0:54:06.450 --> 0:54:09.230 But we did say you were driving to uni and 0:54:09.290 --> 0:54:11.790 you told us, that you had some notes but you 0:54:11.810 --> 0:54:13.430 couldn't get to them and you just signed it off quickly. 0:54:13.750 --> 0:54:14.410 Was that correct? 0:54:15.190 --> 0:54:16.190 I believe so, yes. 0:54:16.670 --> 0:54:19.529 We've called the right person. Do you have access to 0:54:19.550 --> 0:54:20.009 your notes? 0:54:21.340 --> 0:54:23.120 I do have access to my notes. 0:54:23.140 --> 0:54:24.960 Hey, let's go. Tim, would you like to sign off 0:54:24.980 --> 0:54:25.520 the episode? 0:54:25.540 --> 0:54:32.070 Fuckin' hell if I do, man. 0:54:32.110 --> 0:54:35.149 Tim, we've called two men for the past two weeks. 0:54:35.170 --> 0:54:36.430 Any chance you're over 6'5? Yeah. 0:54:38.100 --> 0:54:40.100 I am not over 6'5, unfortunately. 0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:43.970 Because last week we spoke to Brady and he's got 0:54:43.989 --> 0:54:45.700 a very deep voice. And we've said, oh, and your 0:54:45.739 --> 0:54:46.989 voice is deeper than Brady's. 0:54:47.070 --> 0:54:48.510 Yeah, we thought you could be massive. 0:54:50.110 --> 0:54:52.290 Nah, mate. 0:54:52.610 --> 0:54:55.910 Asian parents will let me down on that part. 0:54:55.950 --> 0:54:58.689 At least you got the deep voice. Bro, it's deep. 0:54:58.790 --> 0:55:04.610 I'm not going to lie. Anyway, okay. What do you 0:55:04.650 --> 0:55:05.430 got for us? What do you got for us? 0:55:07.260 --> 0:55:09.770 I believe it was the riddles that you guys were 0:55:09.790 --> 0:55:10.410 looking for. 0:55:10.430 --> 0:55:11.029 I love a riddle. 0:55:11.489 --> 0:55:15.370 I've got two very simple ones, but I think it'll 0:55:15.390 --> 0:55:16.330 be worth it. Okay. 0:55:16.850 --> 0:55:19.529 So the first one is, if 11 plus 2 equals 1, 0:55:19.510 --> 0:55:20.810 what does 9 plus 5 equal? If 11 plus 2 0:55:20.810 --> 0:55:22.490 equals 1, what does 9 plus 5 equal? 0:55:22.510 --> 0:55:24.230 If 11 plus 2... You said easy. 0:55:24.250 --> 0:55:38.989 Equals 1, which is 11... 9 plus 5 equals 2? Yeah, 0:55:41.630 --> 0:55:42.150 is it 2? 0:55:42.150 --> 0:55:42.489 Is it 2? 0:55:42.489 --> 0:55:43.710 Or 3? 0:55:43.710 --> 0:55:45.610 It's 2, yeah. Based on the clock. 0:55:45.690 --> 0:55:47.770 Let me just say something. 0:55:47.790 --> 0:55:48.390 That was a guess. 0:55:50.130 --> 0:55:51.710 Wait, what? 0:55:51.790 --> 0:55:54.029 I just guessed 2, but why is it 2? 0:55:54.030 --> 0:55:57.160 It's 2 because it's based on the clock. 0:56:00.700 --> 0:56:03.239 Oh! Not going to lie, I didn't think clock. I 0:56:03.300 --> 0:56:04.719 just was like... I didn't clock that. 0:56:04.920 --> 0:56:08.739 Yeah, I didn't... Bro, that's a generational guess. 0:56:09.219 --> 0:56:11.600 That is a generational guess. Let's be fair. Okay, do 0:56:11.620 --> 0:56:12.239 you have another one? 0:56:14.500 --> 0:56:17.219 If tomorrow was Saturday, yesterday was what? 0:56:17.860 --> 0:56:20.450 If tomorrow was Saturday, yesterday was. 0:56:21.989 --> 0:56:22.370 Thursday. 0:56:22.390 --> 0:56:22.469 What? 0:56:27.830 --> 0:56:29.509 Yeah, you're too smart, bro. 0:56:29.530 --> 0:56:33.609 What are you talking about? That was a guess. Why? 0:56:33.650 --> 0:56:35.720 Because it made sense if you listened to it. 0:56:36.050 --> 0:56:36.330 Oh, okay. 0:56:36.370 --> 0:56:38.430 You were just guessing. That was another generation of guessing. 0:56:38.450 --> 0:56:39.060 No, I didn't get it. 0:56:39.370 --> 0:56:42.740 Okay. I didn't get it. Dang, Tim, mate. Tell you what. 0:56:43.050 --> 0:56:45.339 Get some more riddles and if someone doesn't pick up, 0:56:45.360 --> 0:56:47.240 we'll call you. We'll call you for a riddle. Save 0:56:47.260 --> 0:56:48.239 this number. 0:56:48.410 --> 0:56:51.540 Save the podcast now, guys. 0:56:51.660 --> 0:56:54.399 Let's go. Third host. All right. Thanks, Tim. 0:56:54.420 --> 0:56:56.540 All right, you guys. Have a good one. 0:56:56.660 --> 0:56:57.279 You too, mate. 0:56:57.700 --> 0:56:59.130 Dang. Dang. 0:56:59.190 --> 0:57:01.609 You guessed that second one. No, it made sense. So 0:57:01.650 --> 0:57:05.549 he said if tomorrow was Saturday. Yeah. I forgot. I 0:57:05.570 --> 0:57:07.100 forgot what it was. That's when you asked me to repeat. 0:57:07.140 --> 0:57:08.520 I forgot what the riddle was. That's why I didn't 0:57:08.560 --> 0:57:11.459 say anything. Anyway. We love you baddies. Stay bad.