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Speaker 1: the exact same time. In your ovulation, you're feeling your prettiest.

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Speaker 1: Me over here with my 12-hour cycle. My 12-hour hormone cycle.

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Speaker 4: The Relatable Podcast is hosted by myself, Jake Craig, a.k.a.

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Speaker 1: Daddy Dingle. And my partner in crime, Mr. Oddie Clark, a.k.a. Land.

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Speaker 1: Mommy Milkers. You didn't land. You don't like milkers? Milkers

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Speaker 1: is a nice nickname for you. That would be me saying,

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Speaker 1: You don't like a dog seeing you naked? Nah, not really.

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Speaker 1: The tea that they have on humans is next level.

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Speaker 1: Why? You've started saying cunt. I know they say it

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Speaker 1: Ah shit well Oli what we haven't seen each other

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Speaker 1: for what how long a week was I with you

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Speaker 1: where you're going, whoa, whoa, whoa, you're just wigging out.

433
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Speaker 1: It's like, oh no, I need to make sure I

434
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Speaker 1: recognize said thing.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I'm a big believer in if you do

436
00:19:16,340 --> 00:19:19,060
Speaker 2: have something that is objectively a bad trait.

437
00:19:20,380 --> 00:19:22,440
Speaker 1: People like make it sound like it's bad.

438
00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:24,980
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just being able to, like we're all human.

439
00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:26,840
Speaker 2: Everyone has like things that they need to work on

440
00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,720
Speaker 2: and like no one's perfect. And I think social media

441
00:19:29,740 --> 00:19:33,270
Speaker 2: has built this false expectation that everyone's perfect.

442
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

443
00:19:34,050 --> 00:19:35,629
Speaker 2: Whereas in reality, if you have something wrong with you,

444
00:19:35,650 --> 00:19:37,510
Speaker 2: the best thing you can do is, especially to people,

445
00:19:37,890 --> 00:19:39,669
Speaker 2: who are close to you, tell them like, oh no,

446
00:19:39,890 --> 00:19:41,619
Speaker 2: this actually makes me really anxious. And I'm like, I'm

447
00:19:41,619 --> 00:19:43,129
Speaker 2: working on it, but also like I have an anxious

448
00:19:43,130 --> 00:19:45,530
Speaker 2: attachment style. oh that's so fun oh yeah true.

449
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Speaker 1: It's like don't use it as an excuse for things

450
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Speaker 1: but just there's nothing wrong with having you don't have

451
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Speaker 1: to be perfect i know everyone feels like they do

452
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Speaker 1: yeah even if you think about it right like the

453
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Speaker 1: thing with social media is no one has a perfect

454
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Speaker 1: life but on social media you just post the things

455
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Speaker 1: that are going well yeah no one really posts the

456
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Speaker 1: things that aren't going well And honestly, more often than not,

457
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Speaker 1: the people that do post those things are the ones

458
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Speaker 1: that do the best on social media. Yeah, well, it's real.

459
00:20:13,670 --> 00:20:15,930
Speaker 2: And that's what life's really about. And I think that's

460
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Speaker 2: probably one of the worst things that's come from social

461
00:20:17,770 --> 00:20:20,230
Speaker 2: media is like, it's not real.

462
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Speaker 1: Nah. Like people's lives aren't aesthetic.

463
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Speaker 2: It's funny too, because you see a lot of people

464
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Speaker 2: saying like, I saw so-and-so in person and it looked

465
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Speaker 2: nothing like their profiles.

466
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Speaker 1: Obviously.

467
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

468
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Speaker 2: Like they've taken a thousand photos and they've picked the

469
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Speaker 2: very best one, which I think is good for social

470
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Speaker 2: media and running a business or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Obviously, they look like everyone else. Everyone's got a bit

472
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Speaker 1: of fat here or there. Everyone's got a little bit

473
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Speaker 1: of acne. Everyone's a bit skinnier, a bit whiter, a

474
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Speaker 1: bit fat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone's like, no one's 100%

475
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Speaker 1: happy with themselves.

476
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Speaker 2: No one walks around with just like a fucking full

477
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Speaker 2: ripped six pack with who's been sweating on Melanotan in

478
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Speaker 2: Bali for three weeks. And then you're like, fuck, he

479
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Speaker 2: didn't look like that.

480
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Speaker 1: I know. It's so hard not to compare yourself to

481
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Speaker 1: other people. Oh, it's so hard. It's so difficult.

482
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Speaker 2: I think it's also hard to like accept that there's

483
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Speaker 2: things wrong with you.

484
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Beth sent me a thing yesterday that was really,

486
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Speaker 1: really cool. It was a guy actually on TikTok explaining.

487
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Speaker 1: He said like, he goes full transparency when I used

488
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Speaker 1: to see things about women's rights and just the way

489
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Speaker 1: women are treated, all those things along those lines, right?

490
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Speaker 1: He said it used to really aggravate him and piss

491
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Speaker 1: him off, right? And he'd be like, oh, what about men?

492
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Speaker 1: What about The things that happen to men. What about this?

493
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Speaker 1: What about that? And then he goes on to explain

494
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Speaker 1: that that is called... It's a certain type of thinking.

495
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Speaker 1: I might just quickly find it. It'll be easy to

496
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Speaker 1: find because Beth sent it to me yesterday.

497
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Speaker 2: It's like how your immediate thinking deflects.

498
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Speaker 1: It's called zero-sum thinking. And so zero-sum thinking is that,

499
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Speaker 1: funnily enough, fucking Luke explained it yesterday at an interview

500
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Speaker 1: I watched him in. He did it. I called him Luke.

501
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Speaker 5: I know.

502
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Speaker 1: I really thought about that. So zero-sum thinking is... In

503
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Speaker 1: terms of, so let's say you're a man and women's

504
00:22:01,970 --> 00:22:04,989
Speaker 1: rights triggers you and you're like, what about men? What

505
00:22:05,010 --> 00:22:08,670
Speaker 1: about this? What about that? Blah, blah, blah. So zero-sum

506
00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:12,790
Speaker 1: thinking is in this particular situation is like thinking that

507
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Speaker 1: because women are talking about their rights and things that

508
00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: are bad that happened to them. If you're a zero-sum thinker,

509
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 1: you think like that that takes away the bad things

510
00:22:27,700 --> 00:22:31,179
Speaker 1: that have happened to men. Whereas both things can be

511
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Speaker 1: true at the exact same time, right? Like you are

512
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: allowed to listen and be compassionate and feel empathy and

513
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,380
Speaker 1: want things to change for women. And you're also allowed

514
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Speaker 1: to feel the same way about bad things that have

515
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Speaker 1: happened to men.

516
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Speaker 2: It should not be in the same conversation almost.

517
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Speaker 1: So it's like, it's similar to, let's say you have

518
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Speaker 1: an argument with a girlfriend, with your girlfriend, right? And

519
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:56,730
Speaker 1: she brings something up that's hurt you. And then you go, well,

520
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Speaker 1: you did this that hurt me. you know, why, why

521
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,670
Speaker 1: she's bringing up something that hurt, that hurt her. Yeah.

522
00:23:05,210 --> 00:23:06,869
Speaker 1: Why are you then, it's like a kind of a

523
00:23:06,890 --> 00:23:08,930
Speaker 1: zero sum, zero sum way to think, to be like, well,

524
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Speaker 1: you've done this that hurt me.

525
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 2: And the brain does go there kind of just like that.

526
00:23:12,180 --> 00:23:12,859
Speaker 1: You get defensive.

527
00:23:13,140 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you've got to catch yourself out. I catch

528
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Speaker 2: myself out all the time if we have a little

529
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 2: argument or disagreement. I'm like, no, we're not talking about that.

530
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: And I haven't talked about it, so that's my problem.

531
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah. It's like it's your fault. Don't just feel

532
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:24,379
Speaker 1: like now that stuff's getting brought up, you just get

533
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: to bring stuff up because it deflects. It's just a

534
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: tactic of trying to get them to feel bad, I guess.

535
00:23:30,660 --> 00:23:31,980
Speaker 2: It deflects the issue too, yeah.

536
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: Like there's this video, right, of I think that there's,

537
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Speaker 1: you know Jordan Peterson?

538
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

539
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Speaker 1: There's this video of him like, oh. completely obliterating feminist

540
00:23:43,090 --> 00:23:47,050
Speaker 1: interviewer okay and so she'll talk about uh she talks

541
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Speaker 1: about like the effects of patriarchy on women right and

542
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:56,300
Speaker 1: then his way of completely obliterating her was saying well

543
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Speaker 1: you know everyone in manual labor is men most people

544
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: you always hear that yeah most people in prison are

545
00:24:02,180 --> 00:24:04,780
Speaker 1: men yeah most people that kill themselves are men And

546
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Speaker 1: that's a zero-sum way of thinking because you're just trying

547
00:24:07,500 --> 00:24:11,780
Speaker 1: to undermine. That makes so much sense of an example. Yeah.

548
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,500
Speaker 1: Isn't that fucking like when stuff gets explained to you

549
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,220
Speaker 1: in that way, you just think like, we're dumb. We're

550
00:24:18,340 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: dumb as fuck.

551
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Speaker 2: Well, the first time you experience it too is just like,

552
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Speaker 2: I don't know if this is a good example or not,

553
00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:25,290
Speaker 2: but like say I have an issue or whatever, I

554
00:24:25,330 --> 00:24:27,530
Speaker 2: come to you and be like, I don't know, like

555
00:24:28,270 --> 00:24:29,330
Speaker 2: I've been really sad lately.

556
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

557
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Speaker 2: And you go, well, there's kids starving in Africa.

558
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah. It's the same.

559
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,440
Speaker 2: You experienced that in high school.

560
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Speaker 1: It's not dissimilar, to be fair.

561
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Speaker 2: Obviously, that's a terrible issue that there's diving kids in Africa.

562
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Speaker 2: But also, I'm still sad.

563
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Speaker 1: It's actually not so dissimilar. That's a good point.

564
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Speaker 2: I didn't know it had a name like that.

565
00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:53,230
Speaker 1: Zero-sum thinking. And it happens with everything, right? Zero-sum thinking

566
00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:58,810
Speaker 1: in the way of maybe, I don't know, a big

567
00:24:58,830 --> 00:25:03,470
Speaker 1: influencer starts a podcast. And we go, fuck them. That's

568
00:25:03,609 --> 00:25:07,959
Speaker 1: our thing. It's like there's enough slices of pizza to

569
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,580
Speaker 1: go around, you know? Like there's enough. I think you

570
00:25:12,859 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 1: actually bring up a good point right there.

571
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,200
Speaker 2: For some reason, like there really is enough slices of

572
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:24,550
Speaker 2: pizza for every single person, for every single industry. But

573
00:25:24,590 --> 00:25:26,910
Speaker 2: for some reason, we get greedy and we think, no,

574
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Speaker 2: that's our thing.

575
00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:28,969
Speaker 1: No, I did that. I did that first.

576
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:31,850
Speaker 2: And rather than help someone or get inspired by someone

577
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:33,550
Speaker 2: or talk to someone and say, hey, you inspired me.

578
00:25:33,570 --> 00:25:35,810
Speaker 1: We try and we steal content or we're like, no,

579
00:25:35,869 --> 00:25:37,389
Speaker 1: I'm at the top. I'm going to stay here. No

580
00:25:37,430 --> 00:25:38,889
Speaker 1: one can touch me. Literally.

581
00:25:38,910 --> 00:25:40,430
Speaker 2: We have that mindset, especially in Australia.

582
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Speaker 1: Everyone talks about Australia being like that. I feel like

583
00:25:44,030 --> 00:25:46,409
Speaker 1: this whole world's like that. I agree. Like, is it

584
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:47,970
Speaker 1: that bad in Australia? Really?

585
00:25:48,790 --> 00:25:51,170
Speaker 2: I reckon just like something's going on in Australia.

586
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Speaker 1: It's just like.

587
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Speaker 2: I can't put in the words what's going on in Australia.

588
00:25:54,530 --> 00:25:57,109
Speaker 1: It's just bad vibes. People talk about tall poppy syndrome

589
00:25:57,130 --> 00:25:59,369
Speaker 1: in Australia, right? And everyone says it's really bad. And

590
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Speaker 1: there's all these videos about tall poppy syndrome. There's tall

591
00:26:01,410 --> 00:26:07,660
Speaker 1: poppy syndrome that. But is it actually that bad is

592
00:26:08,220 --> 00:26:14,780
Speaker 1: my question. Because genuinely, have we experienced it? Yeah. We

593
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,700
Speaker 1: lost all our friends because of this podcast. Is that

594
00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:18,700
Speaker 1: why we lost all our friends? Or did we just

595
00:26:18,740 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: grow apart? I think it's a combination of both. I

596
00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 1: don't think we started the podcast and they just went,

597
00:26:23,560 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: fuck them. I think, yeah, but it's not as simple

598
00:26:26,980 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: as that. It's more like, I think there's a subconscious

599
00:26:29,540 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: thing right there. Like they think, oh, Audie and Jake

600
00:26:32,619 --> 00:26:35,660
Speaker 1: think they're too good for us now. Kind of. So

601
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: that's how it can show itself.

602
00:26:36,820 --> 00:26:39,050
Speaker 2: And we don't think that. yeah at all and i

603
00:26:39,070 --> 00:26:40,970
Speaker 2: think that's what it's just like it's it's it's why

604
00:26:41,020 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: i struggle to put it into words this subtle thing

605
00:26:43,390 --> 00:26:45,719
Speaker 2: where your friends say they want the best for you

606
00:26:45,740 --> 00:26:47,899
Speaker 2: but when the best starts happening for you they're no

607
00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:50,820
Speaker 2: longer there yeah how does that make any sense realistically

608
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 2: they would never tell you but they want you to

609
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: be doing as badly as they are they want you

610
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Speaker 2: to be doing the same as them or worse yeah

611
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Speaker 2: 100 and that's also another um we that's another thing

612
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,619
Speaker 2: we learned that is a that's another consequence of patriarchy

613
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 2: yeah and i think i don't like like i feel

614
00:27:05,619 --> 00:27:09,060
Speaker 2: like Tall poppy syndrome is grouping this complex problem into

615
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:10,220
Speaker 2: like a simple analogy.

616
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,550
Speaker 1: And when humans aren't that simple.

617
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,630
Speaker 2: And that's when like every single scenario is different. Like

618
00:27:14,670 --> 00:27:17,209
Speaker 2: some person might be having a car rental business that's

619
00:27:17,230 --> 00:27:20,230
Speaker 2: doing really well. That's his version of tall poppy syndrome.

620
00:27:20,270 --> 00:27:21,869
Speaker 2: And then they're saying the same thing with us in

621
00:27:21,910 --> 00:27:22,750
Speaker 2: a podcast or whatever.

622
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Speaker 1: That's fine. I guess that's fair. We put a question

623
00:27:27,150 --> 00:27:29,530
Speaker 1: on Instagram a few days ago asking what topics you

624
00:27:29,550 --> 00:27:33,260
Speaker 1: want to see on the pod. Hell yeah. And I've saved...

625
00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:35,530
Speaker 1: Let me go onto my photos. I screenshotted a couple.

626
00:27:35,609 --> 00:27:39,050
Speaker 1: I saved four of them. Okay. Number one I saved

627
00:27:39,090 --> 00:27:41,649
Speaker 1: was people want us to talk about the women's menstrual

628
00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:45,830
Speaker 1: cycle phases should be very informative for men and women.

629
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Speaker 1: So I actually did a quick search for us and

630
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Speaker 1: I looked it up. Okay. Because I know of... I

631
00:27:52,380 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: was going to put you like, yeah. Yeah, I was

632
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: going to... I know luteal phase and I know menstruation. Yeah. Menstruation,

633
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,379
Speaker 1: which is the bleeding.

634
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

635
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,959
Speaker 1: So I've got it here for us to learn. Okay, good.

636
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,540
Speaker 1: So number one thing I knew was that the cycle,

637
00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:09,180
Speaker 1: women go through a 28-day hormone cycle. Here it says

638
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: it's 21 to 38. Not every woman is going to

639
00:28:11,660 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: be the same. Usually a period duration is three to

640
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: eight days of bleeding. So some women can get three days,

641
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: some people can get more, very complex.

642
00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:24,580
Speaker 2: You know what we found out the other day, our

643
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,379
Speaker 2: friend who just had a baby that She told us

644
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,650
Speaker 2: some people don't get their period back for years after

645
00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:30,210
Speaker 2: having a baby.

646
00:28:30,450 --> 00:28:30,990
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.

647
00:28:31,470 --> 00:28:33,070
Speaker 2: Or you can get it like up to like a

648
00:28:33,150 --> 00:28:34,050
Speaker 2: month after having a baby.

649
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:34,750
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy?

650
00:28:34,810 --> 00:28:35,990
Speaker 2: I was like, and the difference.

651
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Speaker 1: And once you get it back, pretty much means you

652
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Speaker 1: can go ahead and have another baby if you want. Yeah.

653
00:28:40,210 --> 00:28:41,969
Speaker 2: And it shows how different people's bodies are. Because like

654
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:43,890
Speaker 2: a month compared to some people wait 18 months to

655
00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:44,530
Speaker 2: get their period back.

656
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Speaker 1: Yes, bro.

657
00:28:45,630 --> 00:28:45,930
Speaker 3: All right.

658
00:28:45,950 --> 00:28:50,610
Speaker 1: So the four phases. We've got menstruation, one to seven days.

659
00:28:51,470 --> 00:28:55,190
Speaker 1: And we've got the cycle begins in the first day

660
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Speaker 1: of bleeding. The unfertilized uterine lining sheds through the vagina,

661
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: which typically lasts three to seven days. Common symptoms include cramping, fatigue, bloating,

662
00:29:04,900 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: and lower backache.

663
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Follicular phase. I've heard the word. I haven't heard that.

665
00:29:11,540 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: I've heard the word from a TikTok. No idea what

666
00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:17,980
Speaker 1: it is. Okay. I haven't heard that. It says days

667
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,780
Speaker 1: one to 14. Starting on day one and overlapping with menstruation.

668
00:29:23,540 --> 00:29:30,090
Speaker 1: The pituitary gland releases follicle-stimulating hormone, FSH, to mature eggs

669
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,650
Speaker 1: in the ovaries, rising estrogen levels, causing the uterine lining,

670
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:35,630
Speaker 1: the endometrium, to thicken.

671
00:29:35,650 --> 00:29:37,290
Speaker 2: That's very interesting.

672
00:29:37,330 --> 00:29:38,070
Speaker 1: Interesting.

673
00:29:38,670 --> 00:29:38,950
Speaker 3: Here we go.

674
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Speaker 1: I did know this one, actually. Ovulation. Yeah. We all

675
00:29:41,660 --> 00:29:44,660
Speaker 1: know ovulation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That starts at around day...

676
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: The way you said that.

677
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 7: What?

678
00:29:46,740 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: Everyone hears of ovulation. I'm ovulating. We all know ovulation.

679
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,820
Speaker 1: Around day 14, a surge in... luteinizing hormone, LH, triggers

680
00:29:58,860 --> 00:30:02,150
Speaker 1: the release of a mature egg from the ovary into

681
00:30:02,170 --> 00:30:06,070
Speaker 1: the fallopian tube. This creates roughly a six-day fertile window

682
00:30:06,110 --> 00:30:08,910
Speaker 1: where pregnancy is possible. These are all rough numbers, by

683
00:30:08,930 --> 00:30:10,470
Speaker 1: the way. This is all like, there's big ranges here,

684
00:30:10,490 --> 00:30:14,570
Speaker 1: I assume. Last one, luteal. Again, I need a luteal phase.

685
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:19,020
Speaker 1: Day 15 to 28, the ruptured follicle becomes the corpus

686
00:30:19,220 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: luteum and produces progesterone to maintain the thickened uterine lining.

687
00:30:24,610 --> 00:30:27,650
Speaker 1: If pregnancy does not occur, hormone levels drop, leading to

688
00:30:27,670 --> 00:30:30,430
Speaker 1: the start of the next menstrual period.

689
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Speaker 3: Bro.

690
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:34,090
Speaker 1: Not going to lie. That was actually very informative. That

691
00:30:34,110 --> 00:30:35,730
Speaker 1: was very informative. That was actually informative.

692
00:30:36,030 --> 00:30:38,410
Speaker 2: I even just think like women's bodies are amazing.

693
00:30:38,930 --> 00:30:42,060
Speaker 1: So here we go, right? Actually, I'm not sure. I

694
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: don't think Beth will mind. Beth got her period yesterday.

695
00:30:45,580 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: Okay.

696
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 1: So that means that she's on day, pretty much on

697
00:30:49,060 --> 00:30:52,180
Speaker 1: day two of the 28-day cycle. She's on menstruation, but

698
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,410
Speaker 1: also her follicular phase has just begun. So I'm going

699
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:58,010
Speaker 1: to keep those things in mind. So what's the date?

700
00:30:58,310 --> 00:31:03,270
Speaker 1: In about 14 days, 26th of October, it's ovulation baby.

701
00:31:04,710 --> 00:31:07,090
Speaker 1: Do you reckon she would appreciate or be like too

702
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:10,100
Speaker 1: much if you go, oh, for my calculation, you're in

703
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: your follicular phase right now. She goes, I just started bleeding.

704
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,700
Speaker 1: And I go, ah, that's menstruation and follicular, all right.

705
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,460
Speaker 1: And then I go, wait a second, you know what?

706
00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: In about two weeks time- That'll be ovulation. I'll see

707
00:31:23,620 --> 00:31:29,820
Speaker 1: you then. That's terrible. That's terrible. And then so luteal

708
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,980
Speaker 1: day 15. Okay. So luteal phase, I believe is the

709
00:31:34,020 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: phase where, because it's actually technically, it's the lead up

710
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,070
Speaker 1: to menstruation, which is the bleeding. I believe that that

711
00:31:44,130 --> 00:31:47,810
Speaker 1: is the phase where women experience, if they're going to

712
00:31:47,850 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: experience a lot of, I believe the luteal phase is

713
00:31:53,740 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: where that is occurring.

714
00:31:55,940 --> 00:31:58,860
Speaker 2: I've always thought too, like such a hard thing to

715
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:00,700
Speaker 2: juggle is baddies.

716
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:01,020
Speaker 1: Let me know.

717
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,450
Speaker 2: What's the best, like if you're running a marathon or

718
00:32:05,510 --> 00:32:08,670
Speaker 2: doing a sporting event, what's the best phase within your

719
00:32:08,750 --> 00:32:12,850
Speaker 2: cycle to like do a race or compete competitively, emotionally

720
00:32:12,890 --> 00:32:13,390
Speaker 2: and physically?

721
00:32:13,410 --> 00:32:17,209
Speaker 1: Actually, that's a great question. I dare say, I'm going

722
00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: to assume the ovulation phase. That's at least just from

723
00:32:22,060 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: this short bit of information here, I'm assuming where everything

724
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: is at the most consistent level. Yeah. So I would assume.

725
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: And like also in the ovulation phase, we all as

726
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,350
Speaker 1: men know that that is when women feel their most horny. Yeah.

727
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:41,930
Speaker 1: Because we're all disgusting pigs. And so surely, you know,

728
00:32:41,970 --> 00:32:43,930
Speaker 1: you're feeling your best. Like in your ovulation, you're feeling

729
00:32:43,950 --> 00:32:46,650
Speaker 1: your prettiest. Feeling good. You know, you're feeling your horniest. Yeah, yeah.

730
00:32:47,110 --> 00:32:50,580
Speaker 1: You're probably feeling your best all around. I assume that's

731
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: the best time. You could be right. To be doing

732
00:32:53,780 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: like a marathon or training. Logically, that makes sense. As

733
00:32:59,260 --> 00:33:00,900
Speaker 1: a man. As a man. Me over here with my

734
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:08,020
Speaker 1: 12-hour cycle. My 12-hour hormone cycle. So that's, hey, baddies,

735
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,660
Speaker 1: that's menstruation. We've got the phases down pat.

736
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,510
Speaker 2: If you didn't know, now you do.

737
00:33:16,570 --> 00:33:20,700
Speaker 1: Next one. date ideas oh okay good ones and bad

738
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,740
Speaker 1: ones to avoid let's start with bad ones okay bad

739
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: ones drive-thru okay are we going date ideas in terms

740
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: of first date yeah let's do bad date ideas for

741
00:33:30,700 --> 00:33:36,070
Speaker 1: first date go drive-thrus oh okay obviously.

742
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,350
Speaker 2: Um well i think a bad date is anything you

743
00:33:38,390 --> 00:33:40,630
Speaker 2: just don't put effort into okay yeah yeah like you

744
00:33:40,650 --> 00:33:43,730
Speaker 2: can make any date good if you've shown, you've thought

745
00:33:43,770 --> 00:33:46,100
Speaker 2: about it and planned something. It doesn't always work out,

746
00:33:46,110 --> 00:33:46,970
Speaker 2: but that's part of the fun.

747
00:33:46,990 --> 00:33:49,770
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And being present and thinking like, I'm

748
00:33:49,790 --> 00:33:51,810
Speaker 1: going on a date with X, Y, Z or whatever. Yeah.

749
00:33:51,970 --> 00:33:54,670
Speaker 2: And she likes, da, da, da, da, da, da. And

750
00:33:54,690 --> 00:33:55,770
Speaker 2: you have a couple of things planned.

751
00:33:55,890 --> 00:33:56,090
Speaker 3: Yeah.

752
00:33:56,110 --> 00:33:57,410
Speaker 2: That's what I think makes up a good date.

753
00:33:57,530 --> 00:33:59,610
Speaker 1: Yeah. Was it a bad day for you then? I

754
00:33:59,650 --> 00:34:06,050
Speaker 1: want to say, I actually, in my ignorance when I

755
00:34:06,090 --> 00:34:11,410
Speaker 1: was younger, have done this before. Don't do anything That

756
00:34:12,340 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: is gonna don't. So this is from a man, right?

757
00:34:14,460 --> 00:34:16,720
Speaker 1: And I'm talking to men right now. If don't invite

758
00:34:16,739 --> 00:34:18,620
Speaker 1: a woman on a first date somewhere where you guys

759
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:24,500
Speaker 1: are going to be alone, not surrounded by people. You

760
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:26,459
Speaker 1: have to think about how safe she's going to feel.

761
00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:31,620
Speaker 1: So like no Bush walks, right. Go in a public place. Right.

762
00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: And just like, I want to say, focus on her

763
00:34:34,980 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: safety on making her feel safe. Like, Think of places

764
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 1: where it's like she's going to be– because like every woman,

765
00:34:43,660 --> 00:34:46,739
Speaker 1: I can tell you right now, every single woman when

766
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,819
Speaker 1: asked on a first date, they will be considering their

767
00:34:49,860 --> 00:34:54,109
Speaker 1: safety the first thing they think of. I would say

768
00:34:54,140 --> 00:34:58,810
Speaker 1: big tip is like don't go anywhere private. Don't do

769
00:34:58,870 --> 00:34:59,790
Speaker 1: that type of shit.

770
00:35:00,310 --> 00:35:02,290
Speaker 2: Also, a lot of the time too, like a first date,

771
00:35:02,310 --> 00:35:05,150
Speaker 2: you might already know that I'm going on a date

772
00:35:05,170 --> 00:35:06,730
Speaker 2: with Jake and he's a nice guy.

773
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:08,790
Speaker 1: Yeah. like you've been friends you may know yeah you

774
00:35:08,810 --> 00:35:09,830
Speaker 1: may have known each other for a while so it's

775
00:35:09,850 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: like yeah i'm talking like yeah yeah i agree yeah

776
00:35:13,219 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: you know what i mean and i'm not gonna lie

777
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: in my ignorance before i just thought like oh yeah

778
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,259
Speaker 1: butch walk would be a great first date we walk

779
00:35:18,300 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: and talk yeah yeah yeah and then um i just

780
00:35:21,260 --> 00:35:24,660
Speaker 1: remember maybe a couple years ago learning about the fact

781
00:35:24,700 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: that like women think about their safety obviously so so

782
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: much because men are historically so violent towards women and

783
00:35:28,820 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 1: do things like that um i remember thinking yeah one

784
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 1: time i asked a I remember that she came, it

785
00:35:34,820 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: was actually, it was good. We had a good chat,

786
00:35:35,980 --> 00:35:38,020
Speaker 1: but like, I remember thinking, dang, she probably thought she

787
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,860
Speaker 1: got lucky. You're not a serial killer. Yeah. Like she

788
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: probably thought, is this guy going to steal me? Why

789
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: is he choosing Bushwalk? I mean, like that's so weird.

790
00:35:45,180 --> 00:35:45,460
Speaker 3: Yeah.

791
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:52,370
Speaker 1: Um, so good date ideas. Uh, okay. Good date ideas

792
00:35:52,410 --> 00:35:55,130
Speaker 1: to me. You can choose good ones, like go to

793
00:35:55,150 --> 00:35:57,529
Speaker 1: a nice fancy restaurant. Like that'd be nice. Put effort

794
00:35:57,550 --> 00:35:58,270
Speaker 1: in plan the day.

795
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:58,610
Speaker 5: Yeah.

796
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:58,810
Speaker 4: Yeah.

797
00:35:59,370 --> 00:36:01,589
Speaker 1: Um, I always think it's good to have a plan.

798
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:02,779
Speaker 1: I think that's cool.

799
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: A plan is the biggest tick.

800
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,660
Speaker 1: I like saying, I like a plan. It's like, let

801
00:36:07,700 --> 00:36:13,230
Speaker 1: them know the category of attire. I agree. We're going

802
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:15,230
Speaker 1: to a fancy place. Yes.

803
00:36:15,830 --> 00:36:17,890
Speaker 2: Sort of show, not authority.

804
00:36:17,930 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 3: What is it?

805
00:36:18,350 --> 00:36:20,509
Speaker 2: Like, don't say anything like, if you want.

806
00:36:21,070 --> 00:36:21,790
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

807
00:36:21,830 --> 00:36:23,730
Speaker 2: Kind of be like, I've got a day plan. This

808
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:25,270
Speaker 2: is the vibe. This is what I'm wearing.

809
00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. This is kind of the vibe. Put a bit

810
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:30,060
Speaker 1: of effort into that shit, I reckon. But again, it's like,

811
00:36:30,670 --> 00:36:32,580
Speaker 1: What he was saying, a good date could be anything.

812
00:36:32,820 --> 00:36:34,339
Speaker 1: I like a bit of like a three-parter.

813
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: So you start with maybe like a nice sunset if

814
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:39,550
Speaker 2: you're a drinker, but I like snacks. And you bring

815
00:36:39,590 --> 00:36:41,170
Speaker 2: snacks and a little picnic and maybe.

816
00:36:41,030 --> 00:36:42,030
Speaker 1: A little speaker.

817
00:36:42,070 --> 00:36:44,630
Speaker 2: You start there and you say dinner reservations at 7.

818
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:45,270
Speaker 1: Yeah.

819
00:36:45,469 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: Go get dinner. And if dinner's good, you then go

820
00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:48,859
Speaker 2: to Sweet Treat after and if.

821
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:51,319
Speaker 1: It's not good. You'd leave. Unfortunately, you go, I got

822
00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:51,980
Speaker 1: to wrap this up.

823
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 5: Yeah.

824
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,819
Speaker 2: And I like having something before the restaurant too, because

825
00:36:54,860 --> 00:36:57,339
Speaker 2: it's more personable. And like being in a restaurant, the

826
00:36:57,390 --> 00:36:59,259
Speaker 2: loud noises and me getting to know someone wigs me

827
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,850
Speaker 2: out a bit. I think it does for both people.

828
00:37:00,930 --> 00:37:02,770
Speaker 2: And I feel like I'm not in the conversation as much.

829
00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:06,710
Speaker 1: I like an activity before dinner. It's the same. Yeah.

830
00:37:06,810 --> 00:37:08,570
Speaker 1: So I like, so let's say you're going to do picnic.

831
00:37:08,590 --> 00:37:11,170
Speaker 1: You could bring painting with dinner or something like that.

832
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:14,470
Speaker 1: An activity, a card game to play with someone. Beth

833
00:37:14,489 --> 00:37:16,990
Speaker 1: and I's first date, we went, we were going to go,

834
00:37:17,130 --> 00:37:18,810
Speaker 1: I actually, I did this terribly. We were going to

835
00:37:18,830 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: go aquarium. And I thought, we'll go aquarium because I've

836
00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:24,529
Speaker 1: never been. Just why not? We'll go look at cool animals,

837
00:37:24,570 --> 00:37:26,790
Speaker 1: cool fish and stuff. And then it's an activity and

838
00:37:26,810 --> 00:37:28,230
Speaker 1: it gives us something to talk about when we go

839
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:31,730
Speaker 1: have dinner. And so it was actually closed. I remember that.

840
00:37:32,170 --> 00:37:36,129
Speaker 1: And so then we went to an arcade. Next best

841
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:37,549
Speaker 1: thing in my opinion. Let's be real. We went to

842
00:37:37,570 --> 00:37:40,009
Speaker 1: an arcade. And then we went and had dinner. It

843
00:37:40,050 --> 00:37:41,450
Speaker 1: really breaks the tension.

844
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:42,089
Speaker 3: Yeah.

845
00:37:42,210 --> 00:37:45,210
Speaker 1: In my opinion. I agree. Yeah. I like the three-parter.

846
00:37:45,390 --> 00:37:45,650
Speaker 3: Yeah.

847
00:37:45,710 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: And then make the reservation too.

848
00:37:47,380 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

849
00:37:47,739 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 1: And here's the thing. Like, yeah. Oh, yeah. Make the reservation.

850
00:37:50,340 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: Don't be like, oh, like, oh, we might go to

851
00:37:51,900 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: the pub after.

852
00:37:52,660 --> 00:37:54,420
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like, don't just be like, oh, we're going to

853
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,420
Speaker 1: try and walk in somewhere. Yeah. Unless you're in an

854
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,590
Speaker 1: area where they're just a bunch of places to take walking.

855
00:37:58,850 --> 00:38:00,370
Speaker 2: I think also, like, just book it anyway.

856
00:38:01,110 --> 00:38:02,790
Speaker 1: I think it's so cool to go up and they go, hi,

857
00:38:02,830 --> 00:38:05,130
Speaker 1: how are you? Yeah, it's a reservation for Jake. Yeah.

858
00:38:05,150 --> 00:38:08,450
Speaker 1: And they go, then, like, she's thinking, let's go play. Yeah,

859
00:38:08,469 --> 00:38:13,189
Speaker 1: a little tip too, like make the reservation something cool

860
00:38:13,210 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: to do with her name, like something you might call her.

861
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: Like for you, it'd be Pickle. Oh, that's when you

862
00:38:17,180 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 1: went dating.

863
00:38:17,739 --> 00:38:20,500
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like when you're like tuning or whatever, you

864
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: normally come up with a stupid little nickname.

865
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,690
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me think. Yeah. That's a good point. I

866
00:38:27,950 --> 00:38:30,089
Speaker 1: called her Casimiro before we'd met.

867
00:38:30,110 --> 00:38:31,250
Speaker 3: Oh, right.

868
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:33,150
Speaker 2: So I'd be like, I'm booking for Casimiro.

869
00:38:33,250 --> 00:38:35,130
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, fair. I'll go booking for Casimiro and then

870
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: she'd laugh. She goes, you're so silly. Yeah. I hope

871
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,460
Speaker 1: that helps. I hope that helped. Breakup advice.

872
00:38:39,980 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: Fuck.

873
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: Rip the bandaid off. Yeah. Do it in person. Yeah.

874
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: That's my only advice. Don't do it over text. Don't

875
00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:55,290
Speaker 1: do it over text. Breakup advice. I would say, let

876
00:38:55,310 --> 00:38:57,150
Speaker 1: yourself feel the feelings.

877
00:38:57,930 --> 00:38:58,169
Speaker 3: Yes.

878
00:38:58,510 --> 00:39:01,390
Speaker 1: Distract yourself, of course. Distract yourself. Hang out with friends more.

879
00:39:01,410 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: Go do these things. Distract yourself. Keep yourself busy. If

880
00:39:03,780 --> 00:39:05,239
Speaker 1: you want to go to the gym, this, that.

881
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,180
Speaker 2: Oh, like actual, like getting over a breakup?

882
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay. As in like once you've broken up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

883
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: But at the same time, feel the feelings. They're there

884
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,250
Speaker 1: for a reason. You know, you're allowed to feel something.

885
00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:18,810
Speaker 1: That's the whole point of being a human. Don't try

886
00:39:18,850 --> 00:39:21,489
Speaker 1: and just like completely avoid it. Don't heart a man.

887
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:21,810
Speaker 3: Yeah.

888
00:39:21,850 --> 00:39:24,469
Speaker 1: If you're going to cry, cry. Feel that feeling. Talk

889
00:39:24,489 --> 00:39:27,190
Speaker 1: about it with your friends. I'm feeling this at the moment.

890
00:39:27,230 --> 00:39:28,950
Speaker 1: I'm feeling like at this stage. The other day, I

891
00:39:28,969 --> 00:39:32,569
Speaker 1: was angry. you know feel like talking about it and

892
00:39:32,590 --> 00:39:35,010
Speaker 1: letting it out is gonna be the best way to

893
00:39:35,710 --> 00:39:39,149
Speaker 1: release the emotion well completely I would say I wish

894
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: I talked about my the one breakup that really did

895
00:39:42,860 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: hurt me I wish I spoke about it more it

896
00:39:44,820 --> 00:39:47,540
Speaker 1: feels like such a burden to talk about your problems

897
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:49,839
Speaker 1: to other people when you're young yeah And like I

898
00:39:49,860 --> 00:39:54,100
Speaker 1: remember going through a breakup and just it consumed me.

899
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,540
Speaker 2: But I didn't let anyone know that it consumed me.

900
00:39:56,820 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

901
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:58,419
Speaker 2: Which is the hard thing.

902
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:58,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

903
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:01,860
Speaker 1: That's a good point. You just try to act like

904
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:03,549
Speaker 1: you're fine. Yeah. You just really try to act like

905
00:40:03,570 --> 00:40:05,410
Speaker 1: you're fine. And sometimes you don't always want to bring

906
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:06,930
Speaker 1: it up because it is like nice. Your friends do

907
00:40:06,969 --> 00:40:08,650
Speaker 1: help you forget for a bit. Yeah.

908
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:10,730
Speaker 2: That was the best thing about like our friendship group.

909
00:40:10,830 --> 00:40:12,169
Speaker 1: It's a bit of escapism. Yeah.

910
00:40:12,469 --> 00:40:15,170
Speaker 2: Like from six o'clock till when you go out and

911
00:40:15,210 --> 00:40:17,130
Speaker 2: we used to drink. Like that time I wasn't thinking

912
00:40:17,170 --> 00:40:20,100
Speaker 2: about my ex ever. it's a great feeling it is

913
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 2: a good it's almost addictive too which maybe isn't good

914
00:40:23,580 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 2: sometimes it's good yeah it'd be good.

915
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,100
Speaker 1: To do a healthy habit like i don't know yeah

916
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,460
Speaker 1: go for a walk 100 no i think so um

917
00:40:29,739 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 1: last one i chose was someone said thoughts on the

918
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,529
Speaker 1: cornell seven and how men can be more active in

919
00:40:34,590 --> 00:40:38,690
Speaker 1: calling out problematic men um i assume you've seen i've

920
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:40,410
Speaker 1: seen a bunch of the cornell seven yeah what does

921
00:40:40,430 --> 00:40:42,169
Speaker 1: she mean by the second part of that she said

922
00:40:42,310 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on How men can be more

923
00:40:45,940 --> 00:40:49,089
Speaker 1: active in calling out problematic men. Right, yeah, yeah. So

924
00:40:49,110 --> 00:40:53,969
Speaker 1: first off, thoughts on Cornell 7. Fucked. Bro, it's like... Disgusting.

925
00:40:54,469 --> 00:41:00,859
Speaker 1: It's obviously so, so terrible. And we actually... We haven't

926
00:41:00,900 --> 00:41:07,060
Speaker 1: spoken about it publicly on the podcast at all. And

927
00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:11,610
Speaker 1: it's so... I think the way I feel about it

928
00:41:12,590 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: and what... it makes you angry. And I think what

929
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: is sucks is like how, when you think about it,

930
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:21,169
Speaker 1: so it's like, it makes me angry.

931
00:41:21,210 --> 00:41:21,470
Speaker 7: Right.

932
00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:25,689
Speaker 1: But it's thinking about how women feel because they got like,

933
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:29,690
Speaker 1: their punishment was like writing a fucking essay, bro.

934
00:41:29,950 --> 00:41:32,370
Speaker 2: Like it almost makes.

935
00:41:32,250 --> 00:41:35,969
Speaker 1: You feel helpless. It, it would, it makes me feel

936
00:41:36,010 --> 00:41:39,510
Speaker 1: annoyed that women are like, Oh my God. Like clearly

937
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: they just give such a zero fucks about us. that

938
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: their punishment is an essay just explaining what they did

939
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: was bad, and then they're just chill.

940
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:53,650
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even more, like, obviously the seven people who

941
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:54,910
Speaker 2: did it, terrible.

942
00:41:55,410 --> 00:41:58,870
Speaker 1: Then there's 52. I think it was like 57 or something.

943
00:41:58,870 --> 00:42:02,250
Speaker 2: 57 who obviously didn't say a single word.

944
00:42:02,350 --> 00:42:05,069
Speaker 1: Do you think that's normal? Yeah.

945
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:08,710
Speaker 2: That's a massive problem in itself where, like, put that

946
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:09,529
Speaker 2: on a broader scale.

947
00:42:09,780 --> 00:42:10,180
Speaker 1: I know.

948
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 2: Like all the things going on in the world and

949
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,020
Speaker 2: like all these comments and you're seeing an insight into

950
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 2: men's friendship groups and how men view women.

951
00:42:17,060 --> 00:42:17,259
Speaker 1: Yeah.

952
00:42:17,540 --> 00:42:19,540
Speaker 2: And they probably didn't have a second thought that there

953
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,030
Speaker 2: was something terrible going on right there. And that makes

954
00:42:22,330 --> 00:42:25,710
Speaker 2: me angry and scared. I'm coming from a fucking man

955
00:42:25,750 --> 00:42:26,669
Speaker 2: and I feel terrible too.

956
00:42:26,930 --> 00:42:29,330
Speaker 1: I know. Yeah. And it's like, you know, putting in

957
00:42:29,350 --> 00:42:32,470
Speaker 1: the group chat, like free pussy at whatever the fraternity

958
00:42:32,530 --> 00:42:37,070
Speaker 1: is called. Oh, I don't know how people like that exist.

959
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:40,350
Speaker 1: And so here's something that's been bothering me as well

960
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: is that people go, oh, there's more info coming out.

961
00:42:43,450 --> 00:42:45,750
Speaker 1: There's more info coming about, about. So Jane Doe is

962
00:42:45,790 --> 00:42:48,049
Speaker 1: what they're calling the woman, right? There's more info. There's

963
00:42:48,070 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: more info. And it's like, oh, she has text messages.

964
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:57,420
Speaker 1: It was all consensual. People saying it was all consensual, right?

965
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,460
Speaker 1: And it's like, so to my knowledge at the moment,

966
00:43:02,739 --> 00:43:06,109
Speaker 1: it was consensual with two of the men. Right. That's

967
00:43:06,340 --> 00:43:10,209
Speaker 1: to my knowledge. I please like articles in the comments or,

968
00:43:10,310 --> 00:43:12,730
Speaker 1: or correct us if we're correct me if I'm wrong. Um,

969
00:43:13,810 --> 00:43:17,130
Speaker 1: but so people are coming out and saying like, you know,

970
00:43:17,170 --> 00:43:20,589
Speaker 1: she gave consent to this, but like when you just

971
00:43:20,890 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 1: talk about how she went back to a fraternity house,

972
00:43:25,620 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: blind drunk gets given ketamine, right. Her choice to take

973
00:43:30,460 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: the ketamine of maybe, maybe, you know she chooses to

974
00:43:34,540 --> 00:43:40,020
Speaker 1: take drugs right she's like passed out in what world

975
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,859
Speaker 1: do you think that even asking a woman to have

976
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:45,790
Speaker 1: sex is appropriate let alone if she says yes or

977
00:43:45,830 --> 00:43:50,330
Speaker 1: not you know and then it's like you mean for

978
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:53,770
Speaker 1: hours seven different men went in there and had sex

979
00:43:53,790 --> 00:43:56,629
Speaker 1: with her and everyone's like oh but it was consensual

980
00:43:57,850 --> 00:43:59,489
Speaker 1: and they're like oh what was she doing there i

981
00:44:00,030 --> 00:44:01,500
Speaker 1: don't know She thought she was going to have a

982
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 1: good time. And then she took drugs and fucking passed

983
00:44:03,860 --> 00:44:05,649
Speaker 1: out and got raped by seven men.

984
00:44:05,810 --> 00:44:06,029
Speaker 3: Yeah.

985
00:44:06,469 --> 00:44:09,649
Speaker 1: You know, it's a very, we live in a world

986
00:44:09,690 --> 00:44:17,350
Speaker 1: that's like very just broken in that sense.

987
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:21,660
Speaker 2: When to answer her question too, she said, how can

988
00:44:21,700 --> 00:44:23,370
Speaker 2: men talk about it?

989
00:44:23,739 --> 00:44:26,339
Speaker 1: How can men be more active in calling out problematic? Yeah.

990
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 2: So the one thing, so when we had Luke Bateman

991
00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:30,060
Speaker 2: on the pod too, he didn't, he couldn't answer it.

992
00:44:30,060 --> 00:44:34,410
Speaker 2: It's like, Yes, 100% men need to talk about it

993
00:44:34,450 --> 00:44:36,570
Speaker 2: more and call out their friends. But there's still an

994
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:37,350
Speaker 2: issue with like.

995
00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:41,169
Speaker 2: We talked about at the start with men not listening

996
00:44:41,190 --> 00:44:44,149
Speaker 2: to our podcast. If there's no sort of mindset shift

997
00:44:44,190 --> 00:44:45,930
Speaker 2: or there's no willingness to change.

998
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:46,989
Speaker 1: You're talking on deaf ears.

999
00:44:47,390 --> 00:44:50,370
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like we want to do our part as

1000
00:44:50,410 --> 00:44:52,950
Speaker 2: much as we can, but we're talking to 95% women demo.

1001
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:55,380
Speaker 1: Yeah, so then we become in two minds of like...

1002
00:44:56,350 --> 00:44:58,450
Speaker 1: why are we just talking to people that know exactly

1003
00:44:58,489 --> 00:45:00,730
Speaker 1: what we're talking about but then again you know there's maybe.

1004
00:45:00,550 --> 00:45:02,790
Speaker 2: Five and obviously i think it's still you have to

1005
00:45:02,830 --> 00:45:04,509
Speaker 2: do it 100 and that's the right thing to do

1006
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 2: but then like for us to realize like how can

1007
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:11,379
Speaker 2: we make a difference and help change those statistics just

1008
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,259
Speaker 2: a little bit but like you said the deaf ears

1009
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,100
Speaker 2: aren't listening so you can't fucking help.

1010
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 1: Them yeah it's a good point i think that And.

1011
00:45:17,260 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 2: I can't wrap my head around how I would love

1012
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: to come with strategies, how you could help.

1013
00:45:20,580 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: Him in talking to schools. I think it's something to

1014
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: think about, obviously. And then there's probably people we can

1015
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:27,420
Speaker 1: talk to about it, which would be really cool. Like

1016
00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: that Tarung guy on Instagram, we've actually had contact with him.

1017
00:45:30,610 --> 00:45:32,210
Speaker 1: We just need to be in Melbourne if we want

1018
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:37,029
Speaker 1: to speak to him. But so I think calling people out,

1019
00:45:37,070 --> 00:45:41,190
Speaker 1: not being afraid to lose friends. It's got to be peer-to-peer,

1020
00:45:41,310 --> 00:45:45,379
Speaker 1: one thing. Another thing I think is just actually communicating

1021
00:45:45,890 --> 00:45:48,860
Speaker 1: talking about it so like let's just say you and

1022
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,219
Speaker 1: i don't have this podcast and we still hang out

1023
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:53,660
Speaker 1: with our big wider group of friends i think that

1024
00:45:53,700 --> 00:45:57,180
Speaker 1: if you're a man that's just um you know has

1025
00:45:57,219 --> 00:46:00,660
Speaker 1: a big group of guy friends and none of you

1026
00:46:01,340 --> 00:46:04,750
Speaker 1: have spoken about let's say this cornell seven situation in

1027
00:46:04,810 --> 00:46:09,469
Speaker 1: particular i think just actually talking about it right and

1028
00:46:09,830 --> 00:46:11,529
Speaker 1: all it takes is one of you to just bring

1029
00:46:11,590 --> 00:46:13,270
Speaker 1: up the conversation and be like have you heard of

1030
00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:16,089
Speaker 1: the cornell seven everyone's going to say Yeah, I've seen that.

1031
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,529
Speaker 1: Because like, how can you miss it, really? How can

1032
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:20,810
Speaker 1: you miss it? And then it's like, you just have

1033
00:46:20,850 --> 00:46:23,910
Speaker 1: to be, I guess, brave enough for if someone goes, yeah,

1034
00:46:23,950 --> 00:46:25,810
Speaker 1: I'm sick of fucking hearing about it, blah, blah, blah.

1035
00:46:26,070 --> 00:46:27,170
Speaker 1: You just have to be brave enough to be like, no,

1036
00:46:27,210 --> 00:46:28,950
Speaker 1: I think this is so fucked up. Like, what do

1037
00:46:28,969 --> 00:46:31,390
Speaker 1: you guys actually think? And if your friends think it's like,

1038
00:46:32,090 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 1: not bad, then you're... it's like you got to just

1039
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:37,700
Speaker 1: call them out and maybe they're going to shun you

1040
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,819
Speaker 1: from the group, but you have done the right thing.

1041
00:46:39,860 --> 00:46:41,940
Speaker 1: And hopefully maybe at least one of your friends in

1042
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,140
Speaker 1: that group that didn't stick up for you when you

1043
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,299
Speaker 1: were getting maybe bullied for trying to say that it's

1044
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,140
Speaker 1: a bad thing. Hopefully they then also eventually they're like,

1045
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,430
Speaker 1: I wish I stuck up for him, but I didn't.

1046
00:46:52,510 --> 00:46:54,450
Speaker 1: And they're still scared, but then hopefully they become brave

1047
00:46:54,469 --> 00:46:55,430
Speaker 1: enough to then say something.

1048
00:46:55,630 --> 00:46:55,930
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1049
00:46:56,070 --> 00:46:58,710
Speaker 2: And I guess to use the word brave and it

1050
00:46:58,790 --> 00:47:00,969
Speaker 2: feels like it's a brave thing to do to talk

1051
00:47:01,010 --> 00:47:02,950
Speaker 2: up to your friends, but it should be normal.

1052
00:47:03,150 --> 00:47:06,180
Speaker 1: I know. And, A big thing I've noticed is it's

1053
00:47:06,219 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: like men find it hard to talk about how men

1054
00:47:14,219 --> 00:47:17,540
Speaker 1: are so violent towards women, how men always rape women,

1055
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:19,140
Speaker 1: all this type of thing, right? Men find it so

1056
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,739
Speaker 1: hard to talk about. But when you really think about it,

1057
00:47:21,660 --> 00:47:25,509
Speaker 1: it's not hard to talk about. Like just saying in

1058
00:47:25,550 --> 00:47:28,230
Speaker 1: your group of friends like, oh, how bad is it

1059
00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:31,830
Speaker 1: that 99% of rape and murder is committed by men?

1060
00:47:32,890 --> 00:47:33,089
Speaker 3: Right?

1061
00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:35,250
Speaker 1: Just, just talking about it is actually not a hard

1062
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:37,390
Speaker 1: thing to do because you're just saying words, but then

1063
00:47:38,050 --> 00:47:42,730
Speaker 1: reflecting on it is what men find difficult. Actually reflecting.

1064
00:47:42,850 --> 00:47:45,830
Speaker 2: The whole thing with men is they're always right. And

1065
00:47:46,090 --> 00:47:49,710
Speaker 2: they can't have those conversations and admit that they've done

1066
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 2: something wrong or something like that. It's that egotistical mindset.

1067
00:47:52,989 --> 00:47:54,860
Speaker 1: I think it's the zero sum way of thinking. I

1068
00:47:54,890 --> 00:47:56,500
Speaker 1: think that's what it is. It's like, because they all

1069
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: get defensive. What about men? Or it's not, it's not

1070
00:47:58,980 --> 00:48:02,790
Speaker 1: all men. It's not, it's, Or what about how fucking

1071
00:48:02,850 --> 00:48:04,850
Speaker 1: men are affected? What about how men kill themselves? I

1072
00:48:04,890 --> 00:48:07,290
Speaker 1: think it's that zero-sum way of thinking. And then again,

1073
00:48:07,350 --> 00:48:10,450
Speaker 1: if you have learned about zero-sum thinking, you can then say, oh, look, no.

1074
00:48:11,070 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: Two problems can exist at the same time, guys. Right?

1075
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: Men can be terrible to women, but men can also

1076
00:48:18,780 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: be killing themselves. Those things can happen at the same time,

1077
00:48:20,820 --> 00:48:22,339
Speaker 1: but I'm just not talking about the men killing themselves

1078
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,530
Speaker 1: right now. That's terrible. But I'm talking about something different.

1079
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:26,710
Speaker 2: That's the best way to put it right there.

1080
00:48:26,830 --> 00:48:30,050
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's like if you're scared to bring something up, then...

1081
00:48:30,850 --> 00:48:34,830
Speaker 1: You just have to, you know, if you really care, just,

1082
00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:42,890
Speaker 1: I guess, just care. Like, I wish we learned more

1083
00:48:42,930 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: when we were younger. You know what I'm saying? Because

1084
00:48:45,620 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 1: I just think back to times where I could have

1085
00:48:48,260 --> 00:48:50,739
Speaker 1: spoken up at certain things. I think back to times

1086
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: where I myself was misogynistic.

1087
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: I wish we learned younger too, but also like, it's

1088
00:48:56,620 --> 00:48:59,620
Speaker 2: not an excuse, but you need, life experience to understand

1089
00:48:59,660 --> 00:49:00,260
Speaker 2: the issues.

1090
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:00,819
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

1091
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:01,180
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1092
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,219
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just, you know, I wish I could go back.

1093
00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:05,380
Speaker 2: Part of the problem is those, the people who, the

1094
00:49:05,420 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: men who aren't listening, those deaf ears aren't mature.

1095
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: And then here's my other thing, right? Is that's why

1096
00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:13,170
Speaker 1: they don't listen. That's so true. There's always going to

1097
00:49:13,250 --> 00:49:16,770
Speaker 1: be men that, unfortunately, there is always going to be

1098
00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:18,310
Speaker 1: men that rape and murder women.

1099
00:49:18,930 --> 00:49:19,129
Speaker 3: Right.

1100
00:49:19,489 --> 00:49:22,299
Speaker 1: And so, the only thing with that that I and

1101
00:49:22,620 --> 00:49:24,859
Speaker 1: like there's some people that you will just not change

1102
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,660
Speaker 1: their minds they will not hear you and um with

1103
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: that it's like what needs to happen there is the

1104
00:49:31,590 --> 00:49:35,489
Speaker 1: governments in my personal opinion do a terrible job at

1105
00:49:35,530 --> 00:49:43,549
Speaker 1: this the um the penalty for that needs to be much,

1106
00:49:43,690 --> 00:49:47,690
Speaker 1: much worse. You know what I mean? That's the issue.

1107
00:49:47,790 --> 00:49:49,250
Speaker 2: I like the parole thing.

1108
00:49:49,310 --> 00:49:52,460
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like the whole, like I was talking to my

1109
00:49:52,500 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 1: mom in Canada and she said like, Oh, it just

1110
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,580
Speaker 1: is a well-known thing here that like men in Australia

1111
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: just beat their wives. She goes, people here would just

1112
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,020
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, that's a thing we've heard from, from

1113
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:02,779
Speaker 1: when we were young.

1114
00:50:03,020 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 3: Right.

1115
00:50:03,739 --> 00:50:06,359
Speaker 1: And cause it's really bad in Australia. And so she's

1116
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,739
Speaker 1: talking about it and we go, yeah, we listened to

1117
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: this podcast once. I've talked about it on here. Like

1118
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: Abby Chatfield had this guy, Dr. Vincent Hurley on. And

1119
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:15,210
Speaker 1: he said something that would bring the numbers down is

1120
00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:18,689
Speaker 1: if men were not let out on parole for harming

1121
00:50:18,730 --> 00:50:21,250
Speaker 1: a woman. Because they get let out on parole and

1122
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: quite often then go murder a woman. And it makes

1123
00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: so much sense, right? And then Abby Chatfield goes, oh,

1124
00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: that makes so much sense. Why isn't that the case?

1125
00:50:28,620 --> 00:50:31,750
Speaker 1: And he goes- Because there isn't enough prisons. I've heard

1126
00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:33,469
Speaker 1: that before. And so then we said that to mom.

1127
00:50:33,530 --> 00:50:35,509
Speaker 1: Build them in the middle of Australia. So we said

1128
00:50:35,530 --> 00:50:37,230
Speaker 1: that to my mom. Where it's hot and sucks. My

1129
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:39,140
Speaker 1: mom goes, oh, you guys just say that in such

1130
00:50:39,180 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: a matter of fact way. Like, does that not make

1131
00:50:41,060 --> 00:50:43,379
Speaker 1: you angry? And Beth and I kind of thought, yeah,

1132
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: we've just like said that as if we've accepted that

1133
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:50,020
Speaker 1: that's just why. Why aren't, why isn't the government building

1134
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: more prisons?

1135
00:50:50,300 --> 00:50:52,219
Speaker 2: We're already in a trillion dollars of debt. Go build

1136
00:50:52,260 --> 00:50:53,700
Speaker 2: a jail and get another million dollars.

1137
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,609
Speaker 1: I prefer my threat to be my, my, I would

1138
00:50:55,620 --> 00:50:57,930
Speaker 1: prefer like our debt to be going towards building prisons

1139
00:50:58,030 --> 00:51:00,950
Speaker 1: so that the sentencing for violence against women can actually

1140
00:51:01,030 --> 00:51:05,190
Speaker 1: be proper sentencing and make it. So there's more incentive

1141
00:51:05,210 --> 00:51:07,450
Speaker 1: to not do it, which is insane to say, but

1142
00:51:07,469 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's like, yeah, I don't know.

1143
00:51:11,420 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: That's so I could look a bit of a rant,

1144
00:51:13,020 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 1: but that's, I guess that's where I am. Right? No,

1145
00:51:14,820 --> 00:51:15,180
Speaker 1: that's good.

1146
00:51:15,219 --> 00:51:17,380
Speaker 2: And there's, I can finish it on one thing. Oh,

1147
00:51:17,989 --> 00:51:19,009
Speaker 2: I don't know how to do it.

1148
00:51:19,450 --> 00:51:24,230
Speaker 6: Is like the first sort of gateway to all these

1149
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:27,010
Speaker 6: issues is what men consume online.

1150
00:51:27,690 --> 00:51:27,930
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1151
00:51:28,650 --> 00:51:30,969
Speaker 2: And it's a lot of the time actually men on

1152
00:51:30,989 --> 00:51:34,150
Speaker 2: podcasts and they say some misogynistic things and it gets

1153
00:51:34,170 --> 00:51:35,770
Speaker 2: a lot of clicks or whatever. And I don't know

1154
00:51:35,810 --> 00:51:36,750
Speaker 2: how to do it. And I don't want to, I

1155
00:51:36,790 --> 00:51:39,170
Speaker 2: don't like putting ourselves on a pedestal and calling out

1156
00:51:39,230 --> 00:51:41,009
Speaker 2: other men and saying we're better than them, but I'd

1157
00:51:41,050 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: like to somehow figure out a strategy where like, break

1158
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,710
Speaker 2: it down sort of like how you did just then

1159
00:51:45,770 --> 00:51:48,049
Speaker 2: or articulate how Luke Bateman does and you go this

1160
00:51:48,130 --> 00:51:50,330
Speaker 2: is wrong for this this and this this is the

1161
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:52,529
Speaker 2: effects of what you're saying da da da da da

1162
00:51:52,570 --> 00:51:55,750
Speaker 2: and like duet a video or whatever I've actually thought

1163
00:51:55,790 --> 00:51:57,830
Speaker 2: about because I see I see something they.

1164
00:51:57,770 --> 00:52:00,739
Speaker 1: Infuriate me oh yeah and.

1165
00:52:00,660 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: These guys are like fucking 30 to 40 year old

1166
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: men with kids and wives and they're talking about like

1167
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:07,299
Speaker 2: how they view women and then like impressionable 18 year

1168
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:08,299
Speaker 2: old men are saying this and being.

1169
00:52:08,219 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 6: Like he watches the footy I really like him that

1170
00:52:10,180 --> 00:52:14,910
Speaker 6: guy's successful yeah I've thought about is there a video

1171
00:52:14,969 --> 00:52:17,529
Speaker 6: that maybe you make it, maybe I make it, maybe

1172
00:52:17,570 --> 00:52:19,150
Speaker 6: Luke Bain makes it, maybe we need to get a

1173
00:52:19,230 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 6: bunch of men to make it.

1174
00:52:20,050 --> 00:52:23,319
Speaker 1: But I've always thought of this video in the last

1175
00:52:23,340 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: couple of weeks, I've thought that I want to post

1176
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,299
Speaker 1: a video where you started off with like somehow get

1177
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,780
Speaker 1: through to people where it's like, okay, so this video

1178
00:52:31,820 --> 00:52:35,400
Speaker 1: is for men and this video is for, I want

1179
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,620
Speaker 1: this video to be shared to men that have just

1180
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 1: said like, not all men or just that have just

1181
00:52:39,980 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: said like, I don't care about this because it doesn't

1182
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:43,460
Speaker 1: affect me type of thing. It's like, I want this

1183
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:45,779
Speaker 1: video to just live around here forever. And just, I

1184
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,620
Speaker 1: want people to save it. And I want, I just

1185
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,020
Speaker 1: want you to send it to someone who you think

1186
00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:52,510
Speaker 1: needs to hear it. True. Right. And then you just

1187
00:52:52,570 --> 00:52:55,069
Speaker 1: go through and you explain like, Oh, saying not all

1188
00:52:55,090 --> 00:52:57,930
Speaker 1: men is stupid for this reason. Like just explain it. Like,

1189
00:52:57,969 --> 00:53:00,210
Speaker 1: don't say you're a dumb, like you're a terrible human.

1190
00:53:00,230 --> 00:53:01,970
Speaker 1: Just like explain it. Like, this is why it's bad.

1191
00:53:02,390 --> 00:53:03,830
Speaker 1: And so we need to figure out a way how

1192
00:53:03,870 --> 00:53:07,100
Speaker 1: to play the social media game where it gets the

1193
00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:12,780
Speaker 1: reach it deserves. Yeah. Yeah. Like, you know, just, Bashing

1194
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: men clearly isn't going to work because of how defensive

1195
00:53:16,140 --> 00:53:23,270
Speaker 1: we are. Thanks for the topics, Baddies.

1196
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:25,049
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. But it's time for one

1197
00:53:25,070 --> 00:53:26,830
Speaker 2: of you to sign off the episode. If you want

1198
00:53:26,850 --> 00:53:28,850
Speaker 2: to get called by Jake or myself, the link will

1199
00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:31,489
Speaker 2: be in the description. Jake, today, who are we going

1200
00:53:31,510 --> 00:53:32,030
Speaker 2: to call?

1201
00:53:32,610 --> 00:53:32,850
Speaker 1: Tim?

1202
00:53:33,170 --> 00:53:33,410
Speaker 3: Hello.

1203
00:53:33,830 --> 00:53:34,310
Speaker 1: Is this Tim?

1204
00:53:36,360 --> 00:53:38,259
Speaker 3: Yes, you're speaking to Tim.

1205
00:53:38,540 --> 00:53:40,560
Speaker 1: Tim, it's Jake and Adi from the Relatables podcast. How

1206
00:53:40,620 --> 00:53:40,850
Speaker 1: are you?

1207
00:53:43,270 --> 00:53:44,410
Speaker 3: Oh, my God.

1208
00:53:44,650 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: Yes. Sorry. You probably thought it was a scam call,

1209
00:53:47,890 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: didn't you? You sounded so suspicious, Tim. You were like,

1210
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:58,299
Speaker 1: this is Tim speaking. Anyway, Tim, we wanted to ask you,

1211
00:53:59,219 --> 00:54:01,110
Speaker 1: did Odi say a couple of weeks ago to you

1212
00:54:01,140 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: that he was going to call you back?

1213
00:54:03,390 --> 00:54:05,430
Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago. About a month ago, I think.

1214
00:54:05,469 --> 00:54:06,430
Speaker 1: Yes.

1215
00:54:06,450 --> 00:54:09,230
Speaker 2: But we did say you were driving to uni and

1216
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:11,790
Speaker 2: you told us, that you had some notes but you

1217
00:54:11,810 --> 00:54:13,430
Speaker 2: couldn't get to them and you just signed it off quickly.

1218
00:54:13,750 --> 00:54:14,410
Speaker 1: Was that correct?

1219
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:16,190
Speaker 3: I believe so, yes.

1220
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:19,529
Speaker 1: We've called the right person. Do you have access to

1221
00:54:19,550 --> 00:54:20,009
Speaker 1: your notes?

1222
00:54:21,340 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: I do have access to my notes.

1223
00:54:23,140 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: Hey, let's go. Tim, would you like to sign off

1224
00:54:24,980 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 1: the episode?

1225
00:54:25,540 --> 00:54:32,070
Speaker 7: Fuckin' hell if I do, man.

1226
00:54:32,110 --> 00:54:35,149
Speaker 1: Tim, we've called two men for the past two weeks.

1227
00:54:35,170 --> 00:54:36,430
Speaker 1: Any chance you're over 6'5? Yeah.

1228
00:54:38,100 --> 00:54:40,100
Speaker 3: I am not over 6'5, unfortunately.

1229
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,970
Speaker 1: Because last week we spoke to Brady and he's got

1230
00:54:43,989 --> 00:54:45,700
Speaker 1: a very deep voice. And we've said, oh, and your

1231
00:54:45,739 --> 00:54:46,989
Speaker 1: voice is deeper than Brady's.

1232
00:54:47,070 --> 00:54:48,510
Speaker 2: Yeah, we thought you could be massive.

1233
00:54:50,110 --> 00:54:52,290
Speaker 3: Nah, mate.

1234
00:54:52,610 --> 00:54:55,910
Speaker 7: Asian parents will let me down on that part.

1235
00:54:55,950 --> 00:54:58,689
Speaker 1: At least you got the deep voice. Bro, it's deep.

1236
00:54:58,790 --> 00:55:04,610
Speaker 1: I'm not going to lie. Anyway, okay. What do you

1237
00:55:04,650 --> 00:55:05,430
Speaker 1: got for us? What do you got for us?

1238
00:55:07,260 --> 00:55:09,770
Speaker 3: I believe it was the riddles that you guys were

1239
00:55:09,790 --> 00:55:10,410
Speaker 3: looking for.

1240
00:55:10,430 --> 00:55:11,029
Speaker 1: I love a riddle.

1241
00:55:11,489 --> 00:55:15,370
Speaker 3: I've got two very simple ones, but I think it'll

1242
00:55:15,390 --> 00:55:16,330
Speaker 3: be worth it. Okay.

1243
00:55:16,850 --> 00:55:19,529
Speaker 7: So the first one is, if 11 plus 2 equals 1,

1244
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:20,810
Speaker 7: what does 9 plus 5 equal? If 11 plus 2

1245
00:55:20,810 --> 00:55:22,490
Speaker 7: equals 1, what does 9 plus 5 equal?

1246
00:55:22,510 --> 00:55:24,230
Speaker 3: If 11 plus 2... You said easy.

1247
00:55:24,250 --> 00:55:38,989
Speaker 1: Equals 1, which is 11... 9 plus 5 equals 2? Yeah,

1248
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:42,150
Speaker 1: is it 2?

1249
00:55:42,150 --> 00:55:42,489
Speaker 5: Is it 2?

1250
00:55:42,489 --> 00:55:43,710
Speaker 1: Or 3?

1251
00:55:43,710 --> 00:55:45,610
Speaker 3: It's 2, yeah. Based on the clock.

1252
00:55:45,690 --> 00:55:47,770
Speaker 2: Let me just say something.

1253
00:55:47,790 --> 00:55:48,390
Speaker 1: That was a guess.

1254
00:55:50,130 --> 00:55:51,710
Speaker 3: Wait, what?

1255
00:55:51,790 --> 00:55:54,029
Speaker 1: I just guessed 2, but why is it 2?

1256
00:55:54,030 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 7: It's 2 because it's based on the clock.

1257
00:56:00,700 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: Oh! Not going to lie, I didn't think clock. I

1258
00:56:03,300 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: just was like... I didn't clock that.

1259
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,739
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't... Bro, that's a generational guess.

1260
00:56:09,219 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 1: That is a generational guess. Let's be fair. Okay, do

1261
00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: you have another one?

1262
00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:17,219
Speaker 7: If tomorrow was Saturday, yesterday was what?

1263
00:56:17,860 --> 00:56:20,450
Speaker 1: If tomorrow was Saturday, yesterday was.

1264
00:56:21,989 --> 00:56:22,370
Speaker 3: Thursday.

1265
00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:22,469
Speaker 1: What?

1266
00:56:27,830 --> 00:56:29,509
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're too smart, bro.

1267
00:56:29,530 --> 00:56:33,609
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? That was a guess. Why?

1268
00:56:33,650 --> 00:56:35,720
Speaker 1: Because it made sense if you listened to it.

1269
00:56:36,050 --> 00:56:36,330
Speaker 7: Oh, okay.

1270
00:56:36,370 --> 00:56:38,430
Speaker 1: You were just guessing. That was another generation of guessing.

1271
00:56:38,450 --> 00:56:39,060
Speaker 3: No, I didn't get it.

1272
00:56:39,370 --> 00:56:42,740
Speaker 1: Okay. I didn't get it. Dang, Tim, mate. Tell you what.

1273
00:56:43,050 --> 00:56:45,339
Speaker 1: Get some more riddles and if someone doesn't pick up,

1274
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,240
Speaker 1: we'll call you. We'll call you for a riddle. Save

1275
00:56:47,260 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: this number.

1276
00:56:48,410 --> 00:56:51,540
Speaker 7: Save the podcast now, guys.

1277
00:56:51,660 --> 00:56:54,399
Speaker 1: Let's go. Third host. All right. Thanks, Tim.

1278
00:56:54,420 --> 00:56:56,540
Speaker 3: All right, you guys. Have a good one.

1279
00:56:56,660 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 1: You too, mate.

1280
00:56:57,700 --> 00:56:59,130
Speaker 3: Dang. Dang.

1281
00:56:59,190 --> 00:57:01,609
Speaker 1: You guessed that second one. No, it made sense. So

1282
00:57:01,650 --> 00:57:05,549
Speaker 1: he said if tomorrow was Saturday. Yeah. I forgot. I

1283
00:57:05,570 --> 00:57:07,100
Speaker 1: forgot what it was. That's when you asked me to repeat.

1284
00:57:07,140 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: I forgot what the riddle was. That's why I didn't

1285
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,459
Speaker 1: say anything. Anyway. We love you baddies. Stay bad.