WEBVTT - Danica De Giorgio | 11 July 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:07.960 Live on Skyn's Australia. This is to Nika di Georgio. 0:00:08.240 --> 0:00:10.440 Hello and welcome to the program coming up tonight. 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.360 Finally some action as a Gazen woman on a visa 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:17.360 is taken into detention after a security risk ruling. Right 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.119 on cue, the usual mob were out to protest this 0:00:20.360 --> 0:00:26.080 perceived injustice, serious findings of misconduct, violence and intimidation against 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.800 the Queensland CFMU. So what on earth was the previous 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:34.280 Queensland labor government doing dolling out thousands for their legal defense? 0:00:34.560 --> 0:00:35.559 The former Union. 0:00:35.360 --> 0:00:38.960 Watchdog will try to provide answers and oh to be 0:00:39.040 --> 0:00:41.560 a fly on the wall at Kevin Rudd and Donald 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.000 Trump's secretive meeting. 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.640 So what do we actually know. I'll get to that 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:49.280 in just a moment. But first tonight we knew it 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.240 would happen, and it has. 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:55.600 Labour's headed out thousands of visas to Gazans, largely unchecked, 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:59.200 and it has backfired. It could now be about to 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:02.600 face a test of its willingness to make tough decisions 0:01:02.880 --> 0:01:07.120 to protect our national security and our values. A sixty 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:10.040 one year old woman from Gaza has been detained following 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.440 a pre dawn raid on her Bankstown home in Sydney's 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:17.760 southwest after she was deemed a security risk by ASIO. 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:22.080 The Daily Telegraph is reporting Maha al Masri was taken 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:26.039 to Villawood Immigration Detention Center yesterday and that she was 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:29.200 here on a bridging visa, which was canceled as she 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.800 had failed the visa's character test. A Department of Home 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.560 Affairs letter seen by The Daily Telegraph states that it 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.920 was provided with an adverse security assessment by ASIO, which 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:44.560 said the agency assessed Miss al Masri to be directly 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:46.720 or indirectly. 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:47.600 A risk to security. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:51.760 The document said, taking into account the above information, miss 0:01:51.760 --> 0:01:53.160 our Mystery does not. 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.760 Pass the character test and look. 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:00.240 At the same time, her family and supporters, including children Dan, 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:04.720 protested outside the office of Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke. 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.680 One person was even seen to be wearing a T 0:02:07.840 --> 0:02:11.040 shirt bearing that hideous chant that seems to have been 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.920 imported into the country since Glastonbury of death to the 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:18.360 IDF as they protested her innocence. 0:02:18.840 --> 0:02:22.640 Their refugees to Gaza. They were from the Abbasia, which 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:26.040 is an area next to occupied Pelviv. They were a 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:32.359 pack there by the Zionist Jewish extremists and were forced 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:36.919 to flee to Gaza. The extremists haven't finished their genocide 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:39.760 as they contindered in twenty three, so she became a 0:02:39.800 --> 0:02:42.640 refuge again to Australia. 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.160 Look, I'm not sure what good they think they're doing 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:47.760 to her cause there now. The reasons for her detention 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:51.639 are not known, but Asio does not make these decisions lightly. 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:53.880 We do not know if she was part of the 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:57.280 three thousand Gazans who were handed visa by visas by 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:00.960 Labor last year with little to know security checks, and 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:03.720 the Prime Minister would not provide those details today. 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:06.040 So we had a brief on the. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:08.280 Actually of rest of Sydney with the sixty one year 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:13.079 old Palestinian women, Basturi visas canceled. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.480 And one threat sheet post yes I had. 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:21.160 Version no because we don't talk about national security issues 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:22.320 and briefing. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.519 She evenly denies that she's a threat to You have 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:28.000 anyone to add to that none. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.359 Now, putting this case aside, Labor has a lot of 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.160 questions to answer about the types of people it has 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.480 let into this country. There was always going to be 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:41.120 problems with handing out visas to people from war zones. 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.880 When Labor gave visas to three thousand gardens and cut 0:03:44.960 --> 0:03:49.280 corners with little to no vetting. It imported a huge 0:03:49.320 --> 0:03:54.280 security risk into our country. Almost three and four Palestinians 0:03:54.280 --> 0:03:58.360 believe the October seven attack by Hamas on Israel was correct. 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:01.040 Seventy two percent backed. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.440 Hamasa's rampage where twelve hundred Jews were murdered and raped 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.400 and hundreds were taken hostage. But Labour still put our 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:11.480 national security at risk, no doubt, to try and pick 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:15.120 up Muslim votes at the federal election. So much so 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.760 Tony Burke previously said he would not send anyone back 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:19.400 to Gaza. 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:23.320 Well, Minister, toughen up and start making some tough decisions. 0:04:23.920 --> 0:04:27.479 We can sympathize with innocent civilians caught up in the 0:04:27.480 --> 0:04:31.560 Middle East conflict, absolutely, but in the end we have 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:34.640 to protect our own country, we have to protect our 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:36.480 national security and. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.160 We have to protect our values. 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:43.160 We have not done that since October seven, twenty twenty three, 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:47.640 and what's happened since Jewish Australians have been targeted day in. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:48.200 Day out. 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.799 Our streets have been hijacked by anti Israel protesters. Hate 0:04:52.800 --> 0:04:56.880 preachers have openly celebrated the murders of Jews. And flags 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:01.000 of terror groups have been so brazenly flown. What has 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.760 happened to this country? If people are brought here with 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.640 open arms, who pose a threat to us, they do 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:11.480 not deserve to be here. Labor has the powers under 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:20.599 the Migration Act allready send them home. How much longer 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:24.839 can Labor keep up its renewables only facad Major renewables 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:28.200 projects are crumbling day by day. The sector is plagued 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:31.240 by delays and cancelations. Our bills, as we know, are 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:35.200 going up, and it's causing irreparable self harm via an 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:40.360 experiment of transmission lines, giant wind turbines, green hydrogen, solo 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:45.120 farms and batteries, all with environmental consequences and all costing 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:48.720 US a bomb. And now the renewables only experiment has 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:53.520 hit yet another hurdle. Almost every large solar farm in 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:56.240 the Southeastern States will be forced to switch off at 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.120 least one third of the power they generate by twenty 0:05:59.200 --> 0:06:03.440 twenty seven as delays to critical energy transition projects cause 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:07.359 major bottlenecks on the electricity grid. Now, that's according to 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:10.840 a new report by the Australian Energy Market Operator, which 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:14.039 also reveals that the slow rollout of key poles and 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:17.919 wire projects in Victoria will severely limit the amount of 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:22.760 power big renewables projects can produce to replace Australia's soon 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:26.479 to be shuttered coal plants. And it means what we 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:31.839 already knew, our race to renewables is happening back to front. 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:35.040 We are shutting down coal plants with no plan B 0:06:35.279 --> 0:06:37.960 for energy and generation to keep the lights on in 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:42.719 this country. Australia needs ten thousand kilometers of high voltage 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:47.400 transmission lines by twenty fifty as part of Labour's renewables transition, 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.359 but the project is so far behind only half of 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:53.479 it will be delivered in the next decade. 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:55.359 And look, the cost will. 0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:58.400 Inevitably, as we've been warned, be passed on to us 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:03.360 as consumers, on top of every other energy increase under Labor. 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.200 The problem is that Chris Bowenes made a complete mess 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:14.840 of our electricity transition. Everywhere you look, it's a mess. 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:18.160 And the one thing that he doesn't want to answer 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.080 is what is the cost? 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:22.640 Well, if we want to look at the costs, what 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:25.600 we do know is our bills are skyrocketing. From July one, 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.360 we copped a ten percent increase and if you're with 0:07:28.480 --> 0:07:32.360 Snowy Hydro's Red energy and electricity retailer owned by the 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.680 federal government. It has just jacked up prices across the 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:39.560 country by fifteen percent in New South Wales, adding an 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:42.200 average of three hundred and thirty dollars to annual bills, 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.960 three point eight percent in Victoria, and if you're in 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.120 Queensland it's at five point four percent. 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:48.400 But it's okay. 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.120 Apparently you and I are, of course helping to pay 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.360 for each other's bills under this government. 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.600 Check your power bill, Check your power bill. Check your 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.760 power bill, Check your power bil check your power bill. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:07:59.800 We're taking one hundred and. 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:04.679 Fifty Well, whatever happened to two hundred and seventy five dollars? 0:08:05.120 --> 0:08:08.360 And where is the Minister in charge of the mess, 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:08.960 Chris Goland? 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:09.400 Where is he? 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:13.520 Well, he's touring the Pacific to reinforce Labour's commitment to 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.760 climate action and progress discussions on our bid to host 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:20.679 Climate Change Conference COP thirty one in twenty twenty six. 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.080 That's terrific. That'll solve all of the problems. 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:31.000 Well, we finally have details about a meeting Kevin Rudd 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.920 had with Donald Trump in January. The Department of Foreign 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.400 Affairs and Trades, says Ambassattor. Rudd met President Trump in 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:40.920 the dining room of the Trump International Golf Club in 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:44.679 West Palm Beach, Florida, on January eleven, twenty twenty five. 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:48.120 Defat was responding there to questions put forward by Liberal 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:51.480 Senator James Patterson. But gee, wouldn't you love to have 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.920 been a fly on the wall? And what did Kevin 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:56.760 Rudd say? Hi, mister President. I know I called you 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.120 the village idiot, but I come in peace, please, let's dine. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.680 I mean, did he rock up unannounced? Was it planned? 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.200 Or was he I don't know, loitering around the golf 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:07.239 course hoping to bump. 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:07.800 Into the president. 0:09:08.600 --> 0:09:11.760 One of our former ambassadors to the US, Arthur Sinnadinis, 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.160 has given an insight into what might have. 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.160 Occurred in this case. 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.240 Kevin may well have been introducing himself saying Hi, I 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.640 don't know that they did anything secret, particularly in the 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.160 dining room in West Palm Beach. It's a pretty public 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:28.640 place to be doing anything secret. I think it w've 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.200 been just a bit of a meet and greet and 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.400 a good opportunity for Kevin to meet the president. 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.840 Yeah, to meet the man that he trashed publicly. The 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.840 coalition is asking for more information, So I. 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:41.760 Want to know what was discussed. I want to know 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.760 who instigated it. I wanted to know what action items 0:09:44.800 --> 0:09:47.320 were to lead from it. Did they just bump into 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:49.959 each other at the nineteenth hole or were they comparing 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:53.120 each other's backswings or was it a serious discussion about 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:54.720 Australia America relations. 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:58.560 Well, clearly the dining room diplomacy did nothing to help 0:09:58.600 --> 0:10:02.760 Australia America relation. Donald Trump has already slapped tariffs on 0:10:02.840 --> 0:10:05.800 US and is now threatening more, this time on pharmaceuticals, 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:09.240 and pharmaceuticals are one of our largest exports to the 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:10.120 United States. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:11.920 Ucas is at risk. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.920 The Pentagon is considering making Australia pay more for submarines, 0:10:16.440 --> 0:10:19.480 and of course Anthony Arbernezi still can't get a meeting 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.680 with the US president. So really, we know nothing about 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.440 what went down in the dining room. We know about 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:28.200 as much as we do about when our PM plans 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.400 to catch up with Donald Trump himself. 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.880 Oh, when we have a meeting, we'll have a meeting, 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:39.120 and when it's scheduled that will occur. Well, of course 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:45.120 we will meetings, so'll be a range of meetings between. 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:46.040 Now and the end of the year. 0:10:46.440 --> 0:10:49.679 Is there something wrong here? Where's your phone call from 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:50.240 Donald Trump? 0:10:50.240 --> 0:10:50.360 And that? 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.800 So I've had three and look. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.600 Of course the elephant in the room is Kevin run himself, 0:10:55.640 --> 0:10:58.480 who once called the US President a traitor to the West. 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:01.800 Labor stalwarts say his position is untenable. 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.079 I think it's a worry having Run as our ambassador 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:06.360 to you. 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:10.320 Is not that the PM wanted to talk about it today. 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.000 I are Australians now only finding out about the meeting 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:16.800 between Kevin Side and Donald Trump? 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:19.880 And what does that say about the Australian government's transparency. 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.360 They're not even a position to tell. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:24.199 Us what type. 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.840 Yeah, I've spoke in the morning TV interview the contents 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:31.240 of the meeting, Well, they had a meet, they had 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.320 a brief discussion. Was it a secret meeting? 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:34.480 Though? 0:11:34.559 --> 0:11:37.360 Is less like coolish? Well, I just said that I 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:38.760 talked about it at the time. 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.319 But there was something the PM was interested in talking 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:43.920 about today. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.360 His trip to China this weekend. 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:52.520 And I look forward very much to engaging with the 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:58.920 Chinese leadership as well as visiting Shanghai, Beijing and Chengdu. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.880 The relations ship with China means jobs in Australia. 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:03.959 It's as simple as that. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:08.680 It's clear Anthony Alberanzi is at ease with China, not 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:11.760 the US. He's going to meet with Chinese President Shijing 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:15.000 Ping for a fourth time during a six day trip. 0:12:15.480 --> 0:12:19.560 The handsome boy from Australia sure knows where his priorities lie. 0:12:23.160 --> 0:12:25.520 Join me now to discuss this and more. Is Nationals 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.480 Leader David Little Proud. David, thank you so much for 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:32.360 joining me. Let's start with this meeting between Donald Trump 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.800 and Kevin Rudd. All we know is that it happened 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.640 at Trump's golf club in Florida in the dining room. 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.800 We don't know what was discussed, David. The Prime Minister 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.920 has blamed the Coalition for asking questions, but given Anthony 0:12:43.920 --> 0:12:46.800 Alberzi still doesn't have a meeting with Trump or a 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.800 deal on tariffs, surely it is valid to ask questions. 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:53.160 Yeah. 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:55.600 Look, there's nothing more than a desperate diversion from the 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:57.720 Prime minister that has nothing to be proud of. 0:12:58.160 --> 0:12:59.680 The Trump administration has. 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:04.680 Given very very clear cues about trade, about orcas and 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:07.960 much more. And if the Prime Minister hasn't understood the 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:12.120 importance and urgency of himself having a meeting, not necessarily 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.280 just the ambassador having a chance meeting, but actually himself 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:17.720 getting to the White House like many other world leaders 0:13:17.720 --> 0:13:21.120 have managed to do, to be able to prosecute a 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.880 compelling case of Australia has gotten better than anyone else 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.320 in the world. We just dropped a check for eight 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:29.439 hundred million dollars for our first installment on Virginia Class submarines, 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.920 and I suspect the fact that we're only learning about 0:13:33.000 --> 0:13:37.920 Ambassador Rudd's meeting chance meeting with President Trump is because 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:41.319 there's nothing to report. There was no progress and there 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:45.280 was nothing substantive to that meeting, which shows that the 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.240 Prime Minister has been asleep at the wheel. 0:13:47.520 --> 0:13:48.720 He's missed the opportunity. 0:13:48.760 --> 0:13:51.679 He hasn't taken up the cues that the Trump administration 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:53.719 has been very clear to Australia and to the rest 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:56.000 of the world, and the fact that he hasn't found 0:13:56.080 --> 0:14:00.240 himself on a plane to Washington means that Australians are 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.960 missing out, whether that be just with the flat tariff 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.280 but also in terms of aluminium steel that came in 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:10.160 into effect in April and now two point two billion 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.640 dollars worth of pharmaceuticals being hit with a tariff as well. 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.559 This is going to cost Australian jobs and we should 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:18.920 be leveraging our position with President Trump. 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:20.440 In a proactive way. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.920 They are a strategic partner and when you see today also, 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:25.400 I think it's important to put into. 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:27.640 Context the Foreign Minister Wong. 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:32.640 Talking about the strategic threat of China that why wouldn't 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:34.960 the Prime Minister be over there when at the moment 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:38.240 we're relying on virgin pilots to identify Chinese ships in 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:42.280 our waters doing live fire exercises. Why wouldn't you have 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:44.840 found yourself in the White House not just about trade, 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.680 but also about the strategic partnership. 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:48.960 That's more than just submarines. 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:51.880 It's about making sure we send very strong signals until 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.480 we can defend ourselves well. 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.640 Aksually, I want to ask you about those comments from 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.840 Penny Wong. They were made at a conference in Malaysia 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.880 and she has expressed alarm at the quote pace of 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:03.240 China's nuclear and. 0:15:03.200 --> 0:15:05.240 Conventional military build up. 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:07.920 This is what she said when she expanded on those 0:15:07.960 --> 0:15:08.920 comments last night. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.800 I talked about the importance of a region where no 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:17.600 country dominates and no country is dominated a region, where 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.120 as I described that there is a balance of power, 0:15:20.120 --> 0:15:23.800 which of course requires continued US engagement. 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.040 David, is she right? 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:28.600 And also you've got to wonder why the Prime Minister 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.480 can't bring himself to be strong on China. 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:34.320 Exactly. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:37.360 Penny Wong is right, and we've we've got to understand. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.840 You don't send warships into international waters and doing live 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.400 fire exercise without wanting to send a message. A message 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.960 has been sent. And when you're relying on virgin pilots 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.080 to identify them in our waters, and when we can 0:15:51.120 --> 0:15:54.160 clearly see that the Labor Party has reduced defense spending, 0:15:54.400 --> 0:15:58.880 we can't defend ourselves. We actually need strategic partnerships like 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.160 ucas with the United States that give us the capacity 0:16:02.600 --> 0:16:05.280 to be able to send very strong messages that if 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:08.800 someone wants to break that peace and tranquility that we 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:11.400 have in the region, then there will be consequences because 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.960 those partnerships, those strategic partnerships are strong, and that also 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:17.560 means that we have to lift our defense spending. He 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:23.280 made that very clear to NATO countries straight after his inauguration, 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.880 saying that he's prepared to be a good citizen being 0:16:26.920 --> 0:16:30.280 there to keep peace in regions and particularly in Europe, 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:32.400 but he's not going to do all the heavy lifting. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.800 I don't think President Trump's asking for anything outrageous. If 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:37.600 we want to defend our own region, we have to 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:41.080 increase our strategic defense spending with the hardware that the 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:44.120 United States has, but we need that partnership. And again 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:47.240 the Prime Minister hasn't taken these cues that the Trump 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.680 administration is being very direct with the Australians, but all 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:53.760 the strategic partners the US has is that you've got 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:54.680 to do your heavy lifting. 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:56.120 You've got to be part of this. 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:58.960 And the fact that the Prime Minister hasn't found himself 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.800 in Washington has shown that he's given subtle messages back 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.680 through his speeches that we're not going to be subservient. 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.199 This isn't about being subservient. This is about being in 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.840 a partnership with the United States to defend ourselves. 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:13.600 To make sure that we send those strong messages that 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:18.320 hopefully we never have to use the long arm of those. 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.160 Military assets to defend ourselves. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.399 But we can't do that at the moment as we 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.960 increase our spending, and the Prime Minister shows some leadership 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:29.760 gets to Washington shows the importance and urgency of re 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:32.760 establishing that partnership and if we haven't got the right 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:36.080 people doing that in Washington, then we should also be 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.359 courageous enough to have that conversation to make sure the 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.320 personnel in Washington that are dealing with the Trump administration 0:17:42.480 --> 0:17:45.760 can put Australia's best interest at heart. 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.840 And get that advancement. It is about Team Australia. 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.639 Prime Minister is right on that, but he's got to 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:51.399 be upfront, he's got to be honest, and he's got 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:53.919 to understand the importance of the urgency of him playing 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:55.679 a role in it as well, and anyone else that 0:17:55.760 --> 0:17:58.040 needs to is in Washington as well. 0:17:58.359 --> 0:17:59.000 Absolutely. 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.399 I mean America is our closest ally and for the 0:18:01.440 --> 0:18:03.879 first time in a very long time, this relationship is 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:05.920 on edge. David Little Proud, it has been good to 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.520 see you. Thanks very much for joining me on the 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:08.240 show this evening. 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:09.760 Appreciate it well. 0:18:09.800 --> 0:18:12.080 Since its release of a special report into how to 0:18:12.119 --> 0:18:15.240 combat Anti Semitism, much has been said about whether or 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.600 not the recommendations cross the line into free speech. 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:19.160 Now. 0:18:19.160 --> 0:18:22.440 As part of the recommendations, social media and mainstream media 0:18:22.480 --> 0:18:25.840 would be monitored, while arts bodies and universities will have 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:29.920 government funding withdrawn if they failed to address anti semitism. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:32.400 Special Envoy Gillian Siegel. 0:18:32.160 --> 0:18:35.440 Was asked on Sky News this morning, what would constitute 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:36.159 hate speech? 0:18:37.320 --> 0:18:39.160 Where is that line. 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.960 Where it crosses over the line where it becomes anti Semitic? 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.359 Is when you say, Okay, I'm not just criticizing the 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:48.160 policies or actions, but I actually don't think the state 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.639 of Israel should exist and all the Jews should somehow 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.119 disappear or be killed exterminated like in the Holocaust, and 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:57.920 that is anti Semitic. We don't call for the destruction 0:18:58.160 --> 0:18:59.000 of other states. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:02.000 We only need to look at the recent case of 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.919 Muslim preacher with sa Haddad, who was sued by the 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:08.879 Executive Council of Australian Jury for racial discrimination following a 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.560 series of lectures where he called Jews vile and treacherous people. 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.879 He argued he was just quoting from sacred books, but 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:17.200 the judge disagreed. 0:19:17.680 --> 0:19:20.000 So in effect we have a judge who was dared. 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:24.560 To make age old racist tropes about Jews unlawful. So 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:27.320 as this set the standard, now should these recommendations be 0:19:27.400 --> 0:19:31.600 implemented about what does and does not constitute hate speech 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.320 and what is the line. Joining me is President of 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:37.840 the Australian Jewish Association, Robert Gregory. Robert, it's nice to 0:19:37.840 --> 0:19:39.320 see you. Thank you very much for joining me on 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:41.520 the show. This is a very important conversation to have. 0:19:41.840 --> 0:19:44.359 What are your thoughts on that first up? What is 0:19:44.400 --> 0:19:45.520 the line in your view? 0:19:46.000 --> 0:19:49.000 Well, you're right, that is a very important conversation we're having, 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:52.280 and after twenty one months when the Jewish community has 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:57.439 experienced firebomb attacks on synagogue's restaurant, diners threatened. This is 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.280 a very constructive and important report and I think looking 0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:03.239 at some of the individual points, some of them will 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:07.440 have a major impact. For example, calling for greater screening 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.360 of immigrants to Australia, I think is a very very 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:14.160 welcome step, as well as what you mentioned that the 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:18.680 funding going towards universities and arts organizations is a major issue, 0:20:19.000 --> 0:20:21.640 and we've seen President Trump in the United States has 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:24.719 withheld money from certain universities and this has had a 0:20:24.760 --> 0:20:28.359 major positive effect. So some of the points when it 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:31.000 comes to hate speech, there are differing views within the 0:20:31.119 --> 0:20:34.560 Jewish community and the general community, and we do take 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.359 some issue with what's contained in the report, but I 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:40.959 think on balance it's a very positive report and the 0:20:41.000 --> 0:20:43.400 proof will be in the putting will the government actually 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:44.040 implement it? 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:46.360 What do you take issue within the report? 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.200 I think when it comes to hate speech, different people 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.600