Speaker 1: Live on Skyn's Australia. This is to Nika di Georgio.
Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to the program coming up tonight.
Speaker 3: Finally some action as a Gazen woman on a visa
Speaker 3: is taken into detention after a security risk ruling. Right
Speaker 3: on cue, the usual mob were out to protest this
Speaker 3: perceived injustice, serious findings of misconduct, violence and intimidation against
Speaker 3: the Queensland CFMU. So what on earth was the previous
Speaker 3: Queensland labor government doing dolling out thousands for their legal defense?
Speaker 2: The former Union.
Speaker 3: Watchdog will try to provide answers and oh to be
Speaker 3: a fly on the wall at Kevin Rudd and Donald
Speaker 3: Trump's secretive meeting.
Speaker 2: So what do we actually know. I'll get to that
Speaker 2: in just a moment. But first tonight we knew it
Speaker 2: would happen, and it has.
Speaker 3: Labour's headed out thousands of visas to Gazans, largely unchecked,
Speaker 3: and it has backfired. It could now be about to
Speaker 3: face a test of its willingness to make tough decisions
Speaker 3: to protect our national security and our values. A sixty
Speaker 3: one year old woman from Gaza has been detained following
Speaker 3: a pre dawn raid on her Bankstown home in Sydney's
Speaker 3: southwest after she was deemed a security risk by ASIO.
Speaker 3: The Daily Telegraph is reporting Maha al Masri was taken
Speaker 3: to Villawood Immigration Detention Center yesterday and that she was
Speaker 3: here on a bridging visa, which was canceled as she
Speaker 3: had failed the visa's character test. A Department of Home
Speaker 3: Affairs letter seen by The Daily Telegraph states that it
Speaker 3: was provided with an adverse security assessment by ASIO, which
Speaker 3: said the agency assessed Miss al Masri to be directly
Speaker 3: or indirectly.
Speaker 2: A risk to security.
Speaker 3: The document said, taking into account the above information, miss
Speaker 3: our Mystery does not.
Speaker 2: Pass the character test and look.
Speaker 3: At the same time, her family and supporters, including children Dan,
Speaker 3: protested outside the office of Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke.
Speaker 3: One person was even seen to be wearing a T
Speaker 3: shirt bearing that hideous chant that seems to have been
Speaker 3: imported into the country since Glastonbury of death to the
Speaker 3: IDF as they protested her innocence.
Speaker 4: Their refugees to Gaza. They were from the Abbasia, which
Speaker 4: is an area next to occupied Pelviv. They were a
Speaker 4: pack there by the Zionist Jewish extremists and were forced
Speaker 4: to flee to Gaza. The extremists haven't finished their genocide
Speaker 4: as they contindered in twenty three, so she became a
Speaker 4: refuge again to Australia.
Speaker 3: Look, I'm not sure what good they think they're doing
Speaker 3: to her cause there now. The reasons for her detention
Speaker 3: are not known, but Asio does not make these decisions lightly.
Speaker 3: We do not know if she was part of the
Speaker 3: three thousand Gazans who were handed visa by visas by
Speaker 3: Labor last year with little to know security checks, and
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister would not provide those details today.
Speaker 2: So we had a brief on the.
Speaker 5: Actually of rest of Sydney with the sixty one year
Speaker 5: old Palestinian women, Basturi visas canceled.
Speaker 6: And one threat sheet post yes I had.
Speaker 7: Version no because we don't talk about national security issues
Speaker 7: and briefing.
Speaker 2: She evenly denies that she's a threat to You have
Speaker 2: anyone to add to that none.
Speaker 3: Now, putting this case aside, Labor has a lot of
Speaker 3: questions to answer about the types of people it has
Speaker 3: let into this country. There was always going to be
Speaker 3: problems with handing out visas to people from war zones.
Speaker 3: When Labor gave visas to three thousand gardens and cut
Speaker 3: corners with little to no vetting. It imported a huge
Speaker 3: security risk into our country. Almost three and four Palestinians
Speaker 3: believe the October seven attack by Hamas on Israel was correct.
Speaker 2: Seventy two percent backed.
Speaker 3: Hamasa's rampage where twelve hundred Jews were murdered and raped
Speaker 3: and hundreds were taken hostage. But Labour still put our
Speaker 3: national security at risk, no doubt, to try and pick
Speaker 3: up Muslim votes at the federal election. So much so
Speaker 3: Tony Burke previously said he would not send anyone back
Speaker 3: to Gaza.
Speaker 2: Well, Minister, toughen up and start making some tough decisions.
Speaker 3: We can sympathize with innocent civilians caught up in the
Speaker 3: Middle East conflict, absolutely, but in the end we have
Speaker 3: to protect our own country, we have to protect our
Speaker 3: national security and.
Speaker 2: We have to protect our values.
Speaker 3: We have not done that since October seven, twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: and what's happened since Jewish Australians have been targeted day in.
Speaker 2: Day out.
Speaker 3: Our streets have been hijacked by anti Israel protesters. Hate
Speaker 3: preachers have openly celebrated the murders of Jews. And flags
Speaker 3: of terror groups have been so brazenly flown. What has
Speaker 3: happened to this country? If people are brought here with
Speaker 3: open arms, who pose a threat to us, they do
Speaker 3: not deserve to be here. Labor has the powers under
Speaker 3: the Migration Act allready send them home. How much longer
Speaker 3: can Labor keep up its renewables only facad Major renewables
Speaker 3: projects are crumbling day by day. The sector is plagued
Speaker 3: by delays and cancelations. Our bills, as we know, are
Speaker 3: going up, and it's causing irreparable self harm via an
Speaker 3: experiment of transmission lines, giant wind turbines, green hydrogen, solo
Speaker 3: farms and batteries, all with environmental consequences and all costing
Speaker 3: US a bomb. And now the renewables only experiment has
Speaker 3: hit yet another hurdle. Almost every large solar farm in
Speaker 3: the Southeastern States will be forced to switch off at
Speaker 3: least one third of the power they generate by twenty
Speaker 3: twenty seven as delays to critical energy transition projects cause
Speaker 3: major bottlenecks on the electricity grid. Now, that's according to
Speaker 3: a new report by the Australian Energy Market Operator, which
Speaker 3: also reveals that the slow rollout of key poles and
Speaker 3: wire projects in Victoria will severely limit the amount of
Speaker 3: power big renewables projects can produce to replace Australia's soon
Speaker 3: to be shuttered coal plants. And it means what we
Speaker 3: already knew, our race to renewables is happening back to front.
Speaker 3: We are shutting down coal plants with no plan B
Speaker 3: for energy and generation to keep the lights on in
Speaker 3: this country. Australia needs ten thousand kilometers of high voltage
Speaker 3: transmission lines by twenty fifty as part of Labour's renewables transition,
Speaker 3: but the project is so far behind only half of
Speaker 3: it will be delivered in the next decade.
Speaker 2: And look, the cost will.
Speaker 3: Inevitably, as we've been warned, be passed on to us
Speaker 3: as consumers, on top of every other energy increase under Labor.
Speaker 8: The problem is that Chris Bowenes made a complete mess
Speaker 8: of our electricity transition. Everywhere you look, it's a mess.
Speaker 8: And the one thing that he doesn't want to answer
Speaker 8: is what is the cost?
Speaker 3: Well, if we want to look at the costs, what
Speaker 3: we do know is our bills are skyrocketing. From July one,
Speaker 3: we copped a ten percent increase and if you're with
Speaker 3: Snowy Hydro's Red energy and electricity retailer owned by the
Speaker 3: federal government. It has just jacked up prices across the
Speaker 3: country by fifteen percent in New South Wales, adding an
Speaker 3: average of three hundred and thirty dollars to annual bills,
Speaker 3: three point eight percent in Victoria, and if you're in
Speaker 3: Queensland it's at five point four percent.
Speaker 2: But it's okay.
Speaker 3: Apparently you and I are, of course helping to pay
Speaker 3: for each other's bills under this government.
Speaker 1: Check your power bill, Check your power bill. Check your
Speaker 1: power bill, Check your power bil check your power bill.
Speaker 1: We're taking one hundred and.
Speaker 3: Fifty Well, whatever happened to two hundred and seventy five dollars?
Speaker 3: And where is the Minister in charge of the mess,
Speaker 3: Chris Goland?
Speaker 2: Where is he?
Speaker 3: Well, he's touring the Pacific to reinforce Labour's commitment to
Speaker 3: climate action and progress discussions on our bid to host
Speaker 3: Climate Change Conference COP thirty one in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: That's terrific. That'll solve all of the problems.
Speaker 3: Well, we finally have details about a meeting Kevin Rudd
Speaker 3: had with Donald Trump in January. The Department of Foreign
Speaker 3: Affairs and Trades, says Ambassattor. Rudd met President Trump in
Speaker 3: the dining room of the Trump International Golf Club in
Speaker 3: West Palm Beach, Florida, on January eleven, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Defat was responding there to questions put forward by Liberal
Speaker 3: Senator James Patterson. But gee, wouldn't you love to have
Speaker 3: been a fly on the wall? And what did Kevin
Speaker 3: Rudd say? Hi, mister President. I know I called you
Speaker 3: the village idiot, but I come in peace, please, let's dine.
Speaker 2: I mean, did he rock up unannounced? Was it planned?
Speaker 3: Or was he I don't know, loitering around the golf
Speaker 3: course hoping to bump.
Speaker 2: Into the president.
Speaker 3: One of our former ambassadors to the US, Arthur Sinnadinis,
Speaker 3: has given an insight into what might have.
Speaker 1: Occurred in this case.
Speaker 9: Kevin may well have been introducing himself saying Hi, I
Speaker 9: don't know that they did anything secret, particularly in the
Speaker 9: dining room in West Palm Beach. It's a pretty public
Speaker 9: place to be doing anything secret. I think it w've
Speaker 9: been just a bit of a meet and greet and
Speaker 9: a good opportunity for Kevin to meet the president.
Speaker 3: Yeah, to meet the man that he trashed publicly. The
Speaker 3: coalition is asking for more information, So I.
Speaker 10: Want to know what was discussed. I want to know
Speaker 10: who instigated it. I wanted to know what action items
Speaker 10: were to lead from it. Did they just bump into
Speaker 10: each other at the nineteenth hole or were they comparing
Speaker 10: each other's backswings or was it a serious discussion about
Speaker 10: Australia America relations.
Speaker 3: Well, clearly the dining room diplomacy did nothing to help
Speaker 3: Australia America relation. Donald Trump has already slapped tariffs on
Speaker 3: US and is now threatening more, this time on pharmaceuticals,
Speaker 3: and pharmaceuticals are one of our largest exports to the
Speaker 3: United States.
Speaker 2: Ucas is at risk.
Speaker 3: The Pentagon is considering making Australia pay more for submarines,
Speaker 3: and of course Anthony Arbernezi still can't get a meeting
Speaker 3: with the US president. So really, we know nothing about
Speaker 3: what went down in the dining room. We know about
Speaker 3: as much as we do about when our PM plans
Speaker 3: to catch up with Donald Trump himself.
Speaker 11: Oh, when we have a meeting, we'll have a meeting,
Speaker 11: and when it's scheduled that will occur. Well, of course
Speaker 11: we will meetings, so'll be a range of meetings between.
Speaker 6: Now and the end of the year.
Speaker 1: Is there something wrong here? Where's your phone call from
Speaker 1: Donald Trump?
Speaker 3: And that?
Speaker 1: So I've had three and look.
Speaker 3: Of course the elephant in the room is Kevin run himself,
Speaker 3: who once called the US President a traitor to the West.
Speaker 3: Labor stalwarts say his position is untenable.
Speaker 6: I think it's a worry having Run as our ambassador
Speaker 6: to you.
Speaker 2: Is not that the PM wanted to talk about it today.
Speaker 3: I are Australians now only finding out about the meeting
Speaker 3: between Kevin Side and Donald Trump?
Speaker 9: And what does that say about the Australian government's transparency.
Speaker 6: They're not even a position to tell.
Speaker 2: Us what type.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've spoke in the morning TV interview the contents
Speaker 6: of the meeting, Well, they had a meet, they had
Speaker 6: a brief discussion. Was it a secret meeting?
Speaker 3: Though?
Speaker 6: Is less like coolish? Well, I just said that I
Speaker 6: talked about it at the time.
Speaker 3: But there was something the PM was interested in talking
Speaker 3: about today.
Speaker 2: His trip to China this weekend.
Speaker 7: And I look forward very much to engaging with the
Speaker 7: Chinese leadership as well as visiting Shanghai, Beijing and Chengdu.
Speaker 7: The relations ship with China means jobs in Australia.
Speaker 6: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 3: It's clear Anthony Alberanzi is at ease with China, not
Speaker 3: the US. He's going to meet with Chinese President Shijing
Speaker 3: Ping for a fourth time during a six day trip.
Speaker 3: The handsome boy from Australia sure knows where his priorities lie.
Speaker 3: Join me now to discuss this and more. Is Nationals
Speaker 3: Leader David Little Proud. David, thank you so much for
Speaker 3: joining me. Let's start with this meeting between Donald Trump
Speaker 3: and Kevin Rudd. All we know is that it happened
Speaker 3: at Trump's golf club in Florida in the dining room.
Speaker 3: We don't know what was discussed, David. The Prime Minister
Speaker 3: has blamed the Coalition for asking questions, but given Anthony
Speaker 3: Alberzi still doesn't have a meeting with Trump or a
Speaker 3: deal on tariffs, surely it is valid to ask questions.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Look, there's nothing more than a desperate diversion from the
Speaker 12: Prime minister that has nothing to be proud of.
Speaker 1: The Trump administration has.
Speaker 12: Given very very clear cues about trade, about orcas and
Speaker 12: much more. And if the Prime Minister hasn't understood the
Speaker 12: importance and urgency of himself having a meeting, not necessarily
Speaker 12: just the ambassador having a chance meeting, but actually himself
Speaker 12: getting to the White House like many other world leaders
Speaker 12: have managed to do, to be able to prosecute a
Speaker 12: compelling case of Australia has gotten better than anyone else
Speaker 12: in the world. We just dropped a check for eight
Speaker 12: hundred million dollars for our first installment on Virginia Class submarines,
Speaker 12: and I suspect the fact that we're only learning about
Speaker 12: Ambassador Rudd's meeting chance meeting with President Trump is because
Speaker 12: there's nothing to report. There was no progress and there
Speaker 12: was nothing substantive to that meeting, which shows that the
Speaker 12: Prime Minister has been asleep at the wheel.
Speaker 1: He's missed the opportunity.
Speaker 12: He hasn't taken up the cues that the Trump administration
Speaker 12: has been very clear to Australia and to the rest
Speaker 12: of the world, and the fact that he hasn't found
Speaker 12: himself on a plane to Washington means that Australians are
Speaker 12: missing out, whether that be just with the flat tariff
Speaker 12: but also in terms of aluminium steel that came in
Speaker 12: into effect in April and now two point two billion
Speaker 12: dollars worth of pharmaceuticals being hit with a tariff as well.
Speaker 12: This is going to cost Australian jobs and we should
Speaker 12: be leveraging our position with President Trump.
Speaker 1: In a proactive way.
Speaker 12: They are a strategic partner and when you see today also,
Speaker 12: I think it's important to put into.
Speaker 1: Context the Foreign Minister Wong.
Speaker 12: Talking about the strategic threat of China that why wouldn't
Speaker 12: the Prime Minister be over there when at the moment
Speaker 12: we're relying on virgin pilots to identify Chinese ships in
Speaker 12: our waters doing live fire exercises. Why wouldn't you have
Speaker 12: found yourself in the White House not just about trade,
Speaker 12: but also about the strategic partnership.
Speaker 1: That's more than just submarines.
Speaker 12: It's about making sure we send very strong signals until
Speaker 12: we can defend ourselves well.
Speaker 3: Aksually, I want to ask you about those comments from
Speaker 3: Penny Wong. They were made at a conference in Malaysia
Speaker 3: and she has expressed alarm at the quote pace of
Speaker 3: China's nuclear and.
Speaker 2: Conventional military build up.
Speaker 3: This is what she said when she expanded on those
Speaker 3: comments last night.
Speaker 13: I talked about the importance of a region where no
Speaker 13: country dominates and no country is dominated a region, where
Speaker 13: as I described that there is a balance of power,
Speaker 13: which of course requires continued US engagement.
Speaker 2: David, is she right?
Speaker 3: And also you've got to wonder why the Prime Minister
Speaker 3: can't bring himself to be strong on China.
Speaker 1: Exactly.
Speaker 12: Penny Wong is right, and we've we've got to understand.
Speaker 12: You don't send warships into international waters and doing live
Speaker 12: fire exercise without wanting to send a message. A message
Speaker 12: has been sent. And when you're relying on virgin pilots
Speaker 12: to identify them in our waters, and when we can
Speaker 12: clearly see that the Labor Party has reduced defense spending,
Speaker 12: we can't defend ourselves. We actually need strategic partnerships like
Speaker 12: ucas with the United States that give us the capacity
Speaker 12: to be able to send very strong messages that if
Speaker 12: someone wants to break that peace and tranquility that we
Speaker 12: have in the region, then there will be consequences because
Speaker 12: those partnerships, those strategic partnerships are strong, and that also
Speaker 12: means that we have to lift our defense spending. He
Speaker 12: made that very clear to NATO countries straight after his inauguration,
Speaker 12: saying that he's prepared to be a good citizen being
Speaker 12: there to keep peace in regions and particularly in Europe,
Speaker 12: but he's not going to do all the heavy lifting.
Speaker 12: I don't think President Trump's asking for anything outrageous. If
Speaker 12: we want to defend our own region, we have to
Speaker 12: increase our strategic defense spending with the hardware that the
Speaker 12: United States has, but we need that partnership. And again
Speaker 12: the Prime Minister hasn't taken these cues that the Trump
Speaker 12: administration is being very direct with the Australians, but all
Speaker 12: the strategic partners the US has is that you've got
Speaker 12: to do your heavy lifting.
Speaker 1: You've got to be part of this.
Speaker 12: And the fact that the Prime Minister hasn't found himself
Speaker 12: in Washington has shown that he's given subtle messages back
Speaker 12: through his speeches that we're not going to be subservient.
Speaker 1: This isn't about being subservient. This is about being in
Speaker 1: a partnership with the United States to defend ourselves.
Speaker 12: To make sure that we send those strong messages that
Speaker 12: hopefully we never have to use the long arm of those.
Speaker 1: Military assets to defend ourselves.
Speaker 12: But we can't do that at the moment as we
Speaker 12: increase our spending, and the Prime Minister shows some leadership
Speaker 12: gets to Washington shows the importance and urgency of re
Speaker 12: establishing that partnership and if we haven't got the right
Speaker 12: people doing that in Washington, then we should also be
Speaker 12: courageous enough to have that conversation to make sure the
Speaker 12: personnel in Washington that are dealing with the Trump administration
Speaker 12: can put Australia's best interest at heart.
Speaker 1: And get that advancement. It is about Team Australia.
Speaker 12: Prime Minister is right on that, but he's got to
Speaker 12: be upfront, he's got to be honest, and he's got
Speaker 12: to understand the importance of the urgency of him playing
Speaker 12: a role in it as well, and anyone else that
Speaker 12: needs to is in Washington as well.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean America is our closest ally and for the
Speaker 3: first time in a very long time, this relationship is
Speaker 3: on edge. David Little Proud, it has been good to
Speaker 3: see you. Thanks very much for joining me on the
Speaker 3: show this evening.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it well.
Speaker 3: Since its release of a special report into how to
Speaker 3: combat Anti Semitism, much has been said about whether or
Speaker 3: not the recommendations cross the line into free speech.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: As part of the recommendations, social media and mainstream media
Speaker 3: would be monitored, while arts bodies and universities will have
Speaker 3: government funding withdrawn if they failed to address anti semitism.
Speaker 2: Special Envoy Gillian Siegel.
Speaker 3: Was asked on Sky News this morning, what would constitute
Speaker 3: hate speech?
Speaker 2: Where is that line.
Speaker 14: Where it crosses over the line where it becomes anti Semitic?
Speaker 14: Is when you say, Okay, I'm not just criticizing the
Speaker 14: policies or actions, but I actually don't think the state
Speaker 14: of Israel should exist and all the Jews should somehow
Speaker 14: disappear or be killed exterminated like in the Holocaust, and
Speaker 14: that is anti Semitic. We don't call for the destruction
Speaker 14: of other states.
Speaker 3: We only need to look at the recent case of
Speaker 3: Muslim preacher with sa Haddad, who was sued by the
Speaker 3: Executive Council of Australian Jury for racial discrimination following a
Speaker 3: series of lectures where he called Jews vile and treacherous people.
Speaker 3: He argued he was just quoting from sacred books, but
Speaker 3: the judge disagreed.
Speaker 2: So in effect we have a judge who was dared.
Speaker 3: To make age old racist tropes about Jews unlawful. So
Speaker 3: as this set the standard, now should these recommendations be
Speaker 3: implemented about what does and does not constitute hate speech
Speaker 3: and what is the line. Joining me is President of
Speaker 3: the Australian Jewish Association, Robert Gregory. Robert, it's nice to
Speaker 3: see you. Thank you very much for joining me on
Speaker 3: the show. This is a very important conversation to have.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that first up? What is
Speaker 3: the line in your view?
Speaker 5: Well, you're right, that is a very important conversation we're having,
Speaker 5: and after twenty one months when the Jewish community has
Speaker 5: experienced firebomb attacks on synagogue's restaurant, diners threatened. This is
Speaker 5: a very constructive and important report and I think looking
Speaker 5: at some of the individual points, some of them will
Speaker 5: have a major impact. For example, calling for greater screening
Speaker 5: of immigrants to Australia, I think is a very very
Speaker 5: welcome step, as well as what you mentioned that the
Speaker 5: funding going towards universities and arts organizations is a major issue,
Speaker 5: and we've seen President Trump in the United States has
Speaker 5: withheld money from certain universities and this has had a
Speaker 5: major positive effect. So some of the points when it
Speaker 5: comes to hate speech, there are differing views within the
Speaker 5: Jewish community and the general community, and we do take
Speaker 5: some issue with what's contained in the report, but I
Speaker 5: think on balance it's a very positive report and the
Speaker 5: proof will be in the putting will the government actually
Speaker 5: implement it?
Speaker 2: What do you take issue within the report?
Speaker 5: I think when it comes to hate speech, different people
Speaker 5: have different definitions, and many people don't believe it's the
Speaker 5: role of the government to define that anyway. So my
Speaker 5: organization and many people would hold that if you are
Speaker 5: directly inciting violence, threatening violence, then that should be illegal.
Speaker 5: But when it comes to merely just spreading hate, while
Speaker 5: it may be deplorable and detestable, it might not necessarily
Speaker 5: be something where criminal law should be brought in. But
Speaker 5: we do recognize there are obviously different opinions within the community.
Speaker 3: And Jillian Siegel said today on Sky News, as we've
Speaker 3: just played there, she said, if you're calling for the
Speaker 3: destruction of Israel, that would constitute it.
Speaker 2: Do you agree with that sense.
Speaker 5: Well, I think that could now be coming into the
Speaker 5: incitement to violence. So rather than just making a discriminatory statement,
Speaker 5: if you're calling for destruction of the only nation state
Speaker 5: of the Jewish people, that may be crossing the line
Speaker 5: into incitement. And I think a lot of people would
Speaker 5: agree with that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, the recommendations, let's talk about them. Of course,
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister has yet to accept any even though
Speaker 3: I've had Surely he's been kept abreast of these issues
Speaker 3: for the last nine months since Jillian Siegel began her investigation.
Speaker 3: A lot of it is actually already in law in
Speaker 3: the Migration Act.
Speaker 2: You can deport people.
Speaker 3: But the problem I think we're saying is a lot
Speaker 3: of our existing laws are not being enforced and haven't
Speaker 3: been enforced since October seven.
Speaker 2: Is that part of the problem, That's exactly it.
Speaker 5: I mean, it seems like the Prime Minister has been
Speaker 5: writing on the coattails of this report, has been doing
Speaker 5: a lot of interviews and getting a lot of credit, when,
Speaker 5: as you said, he hasn't actually implemented any of the recommendations.
Speaker 5: And this is the same government and the same Prime
Speaker 5: minister that just two weeks ago was banning a Jewish
Speaker 5: speaker from America from visiting, that was imposing sanctions on
Speaker 5: ministers in Israel. So I find it hard to believe
Speaker 5: that they've done a complete one eighty in the space
Speaker 5: of a couple of weeks. But if we give them
Speaker 5: the benefit of the doubt then. Yes, there are existing
Speaker 5: laws that should be applied, and I think there needs
Speaker 5: to be much greater focus from police and where there's
Speaker 5: political will pressuring police to apply the laws that exist
Speaker 5: rather than just introducing new laws every time there's an issue.
Speaker 3: Are you disappointed there even had to be an inquiry
Speaker 3: into antisemitism in this country and it hasn't been addressed
Speaker 3: since day dot It's taken a report for it to
Speaker 3: be on the national radar.
Speaker 5: It's very disappointing. On October nine to just a couple
Speaker 5: of days after October seven, we saw the ugly scenes
Speaker 5: at the Sydney Opera House and it was clear then
Speaker 5: there was a problem. It should have been dealt with
Speaker 5: at the time. I don't think we need more task
Speaker 5: forces and reports and committees, but we need action, action
Speaker 5: from government and action from police.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I completely agree with you. Look, let's see
Speaker 3: what happens now. I guess le's see if Labour does
Speaker 3: adopt the recommendations and how it will play out in
Speaker 3: our society as we've just been talking about. Robert Gregory,
Speaker 3: good to see you. Thank you very much for joining
Speaker 3: me on set today. I really appreciate it. Thank you
Speaker 3: well still to come the bombshell report on CFMU thugerre
Speaker 3: So while on Earth did labor in Queensland give them
Speaker 3: thousands to fight legal battles? Plus, what's the point of
Speaker 3: a massive solar farm if they can't generate power? That's
Speaker 3: happening as the energy transition stagnates.
Speaker 2: Welcome back, Well.
Speaker 3: The Queensland CFMU administrator has exposed shocking examples of threats
Speaker 3: of violence, intimidation and standover tactics used by the militant
Speaker 3: union in the state. Barrister Jeffrey Watson described the union
Speaker 3: as ruthless, crushing anyone who put up resistance, and went
Speaker 3: on to say the conduct of the CFMU has required
Speaker 3: some of their targets to quit their job, to move
Speaker 3: their homes and to seek medical assistance. What's more, today
Speaker 3: we've learned that the former Queensland Labor government have given
Speaker 3: the CFMU one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to fight
Speaker 3: a serious legal case. Joining me now to discuss all
Speaker 3: of this is the former boss of the union watchdog
Speaker 3: the ABCC, John Lloyd John.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. Thanks for joining me.
Speaker 3: I want to start firstly with this latest revelation that
Speaker 3: labor gave the union money to fight a case alleging
Speaker 3: illegal conduct. Surely the show's labor and the union are
Speaker 3: working hand in glove.
Speaker 15: Yeah, well it does. It was a highly unusual move.
Speaker 15: Wasn't money well spent because the union was fine hundred
Speaker 15: and seventy nine thousand dollars in the case. But look
Speaker 15: at follow had a protracted dispute, there was a rest
Speaker 15: at the site, a nasty dispute, and it just demonstrates
Speaker 15: again that alper governments have been weak when it comes
Speaker 15: to the CFMU over decades.
Speaker 3: Basically, Yeah, absolutely, And I don't think it's just in Queensland.
Speaker 3: I think it's across the country and federally as well.
Speaker 3: But let's go back to this report. Here was the
Speaker 3: Queensland Deputy Premier going through just some of the behavior
Speaker 3: that has been exposed.
Speaker 16: A daughter of a workplace health and safety inspector intimidated
Speaker 16: and bullied at a gymnasium. They found the details of
Speaker 16: family members, They threatened people physically sexually said a bullet
Speaker 16: has your name on it.
Speaker 2: John.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you heard it all during your time in
Speaker 3: the Watchdog, but are you surprise to hear some of
Speaker 3: these latest details.
Speaker 15: Oh well, no, I'm not. I mean it's been a
Speaker 15: feature of the industry for a long long time. These
Speaker 15: sorts of sort of conduct was occurring when I was
Speaker 15: a commissioner. I suppose these things fester and if the
Speaker 15: people at the top demonstrate that's their statut of conduct,
Speaker 15: well then it spreads wider through the organization. And it
Speaker 15: was concerning about this report was that the author that
Speaker 15: said perhaps he only scratched the surface, so it's a
Speaker 15: lot worse than that. Look over the years, I think
Speaker 15: people who work in other industries would be absolutely staggered
Speaker 15: at the way the billing industry is conducted and the thuggery, intimidation,
Speaker 15: brutal often and these sorts of things just highlight how
Speaker 15: bad and ingrained it is.
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously this investigation was specific to Queensland, but
Speaker 3: in your experience, would it be safe to say that
Speaker 3: this is not an isolated one to that state.
Speaker 15: Well, certainly not. No, Look, it's Victoria. All the states.
Speaker 15: There's officials who are in strife at the moment before
Speaker 15: courts in South Australia and New South Wales. Victoria has
Speaker 15: always been a hot bed of union militancy and in
Speaker 15: the sea for militancy and appalling conduct. So there, so
Speaker 15: it is right throughout the industry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it sounds like it's rife, it's frightening. What should
Speaker 3: happen next? Do you think does this union need a
Speaker 3: massive overhaul?
Speaker 2: I mean, what steps need to be taken?
Speaker 15: Well, for sure, Look, it's good that the administrative is
Speaker 15: starting to sack some of the people as talking about
Speaker 15: having a code of conduct. That's all right. Code of
Speaker 15: conducts work if they're clear, not too long, there's training
Speaker 15: about it. But there's a long way to go to
Speaker 15: change the culture of the organization, and that takes really
Speaker 15: making sure that on the ground that contractors are the
Speaker 15: clients of the industry, the unions, the subcontractors, they're all
Speaker 15: on the same page. And what you do need no
Speaker 15: matter what is done by the administrator, ultimately you need
Speaker 15: to have a body like the ABCC on the ground
Speaker 15: on sites enforcing lawful conduct on sites. If you don't
Speaker 15: have that, well then I think it's going to be
Speaker 15: a very hard job to clean up the industry.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, hopefully, given some of the revelations to
Speaker 3: come out of this report, something is done, because it
Speaker 3: certainly was frightening to read.
Speaker 2: John Lloyd, thank you very much for your time this evening.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Well let's move on nowt joining me is my normal
Speaker 3: Friday panel Skinde he is contribute a teen of a
Speaker 3: queen and forming New South Wales Police Minister David Elliott,
Speaker 3: welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Was always good to see you both. Thank you for
Speaker 2: joining me. Now.
Speaker 3: I started with this at the top of the show
Speaker 3: and I want to return to the detention of a
Speaker 3: sixty one year old woman from Gaza and then the
Speaker 3: subsequent protests that we saw outside of Tony Burke's office. David,
Speaker 3: we don't know if this woman was part of that
Speaker 3: cohort where the Labor Party gave three thousand gardens visas
Speaker 3: last year with little to no security checks. But I
Speaker 3: took a lot of issue with this protest. There was
Speaker 3: a T shirt that was worn by one of the
Speaker 3: protesters that said death to the IDF. It seems like
Speaker 3: this slogan has now been imported into Australia since Glastonbury.
Speaker 3: As a former New South Wales Police minister, can anything
Speaker 3: realistically be done well, I think.
Speaker 17: The police need to use their discretion as to whether
Speaker 17: or not this is inciting violence. Now, my view is
Speaker 17: it is because there could be any member of the
Speaker 17: IDF sitting in Australian society right now that could be
Speaker 17: gone leave in our holiday in Sydney, that could be
Speaker 17: living in Sydney and having being on break from service
Speaker 17: in the Israeli Defense Forces. So I don't think that
Speaker 17: there's any doubt that it is inciting violence. I think,
Speaker 17: but we have to remember that there are intelligence agencies
Speaker 17: working with the New South Wales Police. They may have
Speaker 17: their own agenda here and we need to give them
Speaker 17: a little bit of air cover when it comes to that.
Speaker 17: But I mean, the mere fact that woman's incarceration immediately
Speaker 17: resulted in people's chanting death to the IDF says to
Speaker 17: me that the intelligence agency's got it right when they
Speaker 17: incarcerated up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we still don't know the reasons why, but
Speaker 3: you can assume and you would know that as oh
Speaker 3: that don't take these decisions lightly. They you know, they
Speaker 3: make a very serious call on that. And Tenna, look,
Speaker 3: we don't know these circumstances, and I want to put
Speaker 3: aside this particular case, but it was always going to
Speaker 3: be a risk, wasn't it Bringing people in from a
Speaker 3: war zone.
Speaker 18: A very real risk to us, and it's been reported
Speaker 18: that she has this particular woman has one hundred relatives
Speaker 18: out here. And what I took offense to too was the
Speaker 18: supporter on the megaphone there at the small protest said
Speaker 18: he thought and his words were, he thought it was
Speaker 18: the IDF knocking at her door. It's just disgraceful and
Speaker 18: like you said, the signs. But I think I think
Speaker 18: there's going to be a lot more of this neck because,
Speaker 18: as you said, the government letting too many people to
Speaker 18: quickly from that area without the proper checks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was always going to be a risk.
Speaker 3: And look, you know, well let's see what happens now, Lowielle.
Speaker 2: David was back as policeman.
Speaker 3: I know we need we actually or seriously, we need
Speaker 3: people like you who are tough and can make these
Speaker 3: tough calls. David Elliott, it's a shame that you're not
Speaker 3: still in Parliament, but I understand that you were. You
Speaker 3: were done with it.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 3: Look, how is it that Victoria's so called Multicultural Commissioner,
Speaker 3: Mohammed Modine can still be in a job when he
Speaker 3: has repeatedly posted offensive conduct content such as describing Bob Villain,
Speaker 3: who of course chanted that death to the IDF at Glastonbury,
Speaker 3: and Iran's supreme leader Ayatola kamin A as heroes. David,
Speaker 3: how these people being hired? You know in government?
Speaker 2: Surely there is a vetting process, right, Well.
Speaker 17: They're supposed to be a vetting process, and I mean,
Speaker 17: let's face it, the Victorian labor government is a law
Speaker 17: in to itself, and I don't think they really care
Speaker 17: about vetting when it comes to winning votes. I would
Speaker 17: have thought that when this gentleman accepted this position, he
Speaker 17: realized that he was forfeiting a lot of public opinions,
Speaker 17: because when you take those positions, you do have to
Speaker 17: forfeit public opinions. I mean, I had to set asign
Speaker 17: a lot of my preconceived views when I was made
Speaker 17: minutes for counter terrorism because I had to work with
Speaker 17: cultures of all persuasions. And this guy was going into
Speaker 17: a specific position to do that, to bring communities together.
Speaker 17: And I think that the best thing for him to
Speaker 17: do right now is to resign. Vic Alidev had to
Speaker 17: resign in New South Wales from a similar position and
Speaker 17: he did nothing like what this gentleman was talking about
Speaker 17: I mean, you've got to.
Speaker 3: Feel for the tax payer in particular. I don't know
Speaker 3: how much this person has been paid, but it's irrelevant.
Speaker 2: Where was the vetting? Look, and he won't resign David.
Speaker 18: You know in Victoria that aligns with a lot of
Speaker 18: the government's principles. So there's no way to resigned. No,
Speaker 18: while they get rid of you. It's absolutely disgraceful.
Speaker 3: No, I completely agree with you, and I think, well,
Speaker 3: who knows what happened with the Allen government and they're
Speaker 3: actually going to investigate this.
Speaker 2: You never know when it comes to water Allen.
Speaker 18: The latest poll has them way ahead. Now you tell
Speaker 18: me how I mean Libor.
Speaker 2: Party should hang their head in show. Well, that's another issue.
Speaker 2: You can't tell me that the job pursudo more redeeming.
Speaker 2: That's a whole diversion, that the whole show. We could
Speaker 2: do a whole show. But they're in Yeah, they're in
Speaker 2: all sorts of issues. But still there's an it's next year,
Speaker 2: it's late next year, so let's see, there's a little
Speaker 2: bit of time. There's a little bit of time.
Speaker 3: Now let's talk about the Labor Party's Green dream. And
Speaker 3: you have to ask, what's the actual point of all
Speaker 3: these massive solar farms if they're going to have at
Speaker 3: least one third of their power generation switched off by
Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven because of.
Speaker 2: The snail's pace roll out of transmission lines.
Speaker 3: And just on this, we've learnt today that the snowy
Speaker 3: hydro subsidiary Red Energy is raising power prices in Victoria
Speaker 3: for some by two hundred by two sorry, two hundred
Speaker 3: and thirty households. David, here we go again. You know,
Speaker 3: the green dream is imploded day in, day out.
Speaker 2: Nothing is changing here.
Speaker 3: I mean, how can labor keep seriously pushing this message
Speaker 3: that you know we're on the trajectory stay with the cause.
Speaker 17: Well, their eagerness for it was vote by and we
Speaker 17: all know that now everybody on the conservative side of politics,
Speaker 17: in fact everybody in Australia wants to leave a better earth.
Speaker 17: We will got to be good custodians of the environment.
Speaker 17: That doesn't mean that we have to wreck our economy.
Speaker 17: And this is proof positive that the planning wasn't done
Speaker 17: and this transitioning is not going to happen by twenty thirty.
Speaker 17: It's not going to happen by twenty fifty. It's like
Speaker 17: solving the housing christis. Everybody seems to think these things,
Speaker 17: there's a silver bullet out there, and if we try this,
Speaker 17: and we try that, we'll eventually find the silver bullet. Well,
Speaker 17: it's not going to happen. So transitioning part thereof which
Speaker 17: is my view, we should have to have a mixture
Speaker 17: of electricity suppliers and options because when one goes to pastry,
Speaker 17: we can always rely on the other one. But once again,
Speaker 17: we've just seen an election winning headline give us, leave
Speaker 17: us with a big cost. And I'd hate to be
Speaker 17: in Victoria thinking that tomorrow night, when the snow's falling
Speaker 17: in regional Victoria or the temperature in Melbourne drops below zero,
Speaker 17: there's going to be no opportunity to heat my house.
Speaker 2: No, Well that's it.
Speaker 3: And you know we keep caring Tina that you know,
Speaker 3: power bills will go down, will go down.
Speaker 2: They're not.
Speaker 3: They're going in the opposite direction. They write they rose
Speaker 3: by ten percent just a week ago. If you're with
Speaker 3: Red Energy, you know, bad luck because your bills are
Speaker 3: going to go up even further. But you've got all
Speaker 3: these projects delayed or canceled.
Speaker 18: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well the hydro it's got blind. I
Speaker 18: think when Malcolm came up the crazy idea it was
Speaker 18: two billion. I think it's now blown out around thirteen billion,
Speaker 18: and it's just disgraced for what labor's doing federally. But David,
Speaker 18: I praised you for your efforts last time as Cabeism minister, and.
Speaker 2: Please minister, but what the hell did you.
Speaker 18: Guys do when we're in government in New South Wales?
Speaker 18: Matt Kean Don Harwin, I think they're going one hundred
Speaker 18: percent renewables.
Speaker 17: Well, I don't think we went to one hundred percent.
Speaker 17: I'm assure you there were voices of reason and.
Speaker 2: Were loud enough.
Speaker 18: They weren't loud enough.
Speaker 17: As soon as he fight in the terrorists.
Speaker 2: David had one.
Speaker 3: David had multiple things going on, and now he's got
Speaker 3: to deal with energy crisis as well.
Speaker 18: I just get cranky because we've been in government, you know,
Speaker 18: in the state and federally, and we did nothing, absolutely not.
Speaker 17: The conservative side of politics has lost the narrative. It
Speaker 17: needs to be a mixture between Tony Abbot Matt King.
Speaker 2: We need to he just needs Tony Abbot. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: we do need to.
Speaker 17: Be We do need to honestly say to people that
Speaker 17: we believe we should be good custodians of the earth.
Speaker 17: And I've got thirty two solar panels. I pay nothing
Speaker 17: for electricity. Now it is a good policy. But if
Speaker 17: I don't have if it's if it's raining for a
Speaker 17: month and I don't have access to the solar, I
Speaker 17: need to be able to plug into a cold powered
Speaker 17: electricity system.
Speaker 18: Don't do the matt Kean turning Abbot mixture. We need
Speaker 18: to be one side of the other. Let's stick to
Speaker 18: I'm a pluralist.
Speaker 3: Sticks, we're sticking. I stick to Abbott as well. I'm
Speaker 3: with you on this one, Tina. Absolutely. Now, I thought
Speaker 3: this was quite hilarious that there was a mysterious silence
Speaker 3: by Joe Biden doctor who refused to answer whether he
Speaker 3: was ever instructed to lie about the former president's health
Speaker 3: or whether he believed the president was unfit for office.
Speaker 3: Here was Republican James Comer explaining what happened behind closed
Speaker 3: doors during the House Oversight Committee.
Speaker 18: Were you ever told to la about the president itself?
Speaker 6: He pleaded the Fifth Amendment? You would not answer that question.
Speaker 13: The second question, did you ever believe President Biden was
Speaker 13: unfit to execute his duties?
Speaker 18: Again.
Speaker 14: President Biden's White House position pleaded the Fifth Amendments.
Speaker 3: Oh, Ge David, there was a whole lot of duck
Speaker 3: and weaving going on there. The silence must have been deafening.
Speaker 3: I mean, we could only assume the answer.
Speaker 17: We're going to call this Biden Gate because I think
Speaker 17: when I was in politics, they went through me like
Speaker 17: a day's assualts at SA fifty two. They wanted to
Speaker 17: know who, you know, who I was having coffee with,
Speaker 17: and you know, my wife's maiden. They went through everything.
Speaker 17: I can't believe that he's seriously thinking that a man
Speaker 17: who was the President of the United States should not
Speaker 17: have to cough up pardon the pun with this information.
Speaker 17: Of course he should become submitting information regarding the health
Speaker 17: and welfare of the President of the United States. And
Speaker 17: as I said, I just this really disturbs me because
Speaker 17: in Australia it's very very unusual.
Speaker 1: For a politician to be able to get away.
Speaker 17: With hiding this sort of information. In fact, it's near
Speaker 17: on illegal, and there are whether it be whether it
Speaker 17: be through Upper House inquiries, whether it be IKAK, whether
Speaker 17: it be the Supreme Court, whether it be your own constituents,
Speaker 17: or our dear friends in the media. This information is
Speaker 17: always made public and of course the worst crime is
Speaker 17: lying about it. Normally sometimes you can get I'm prove
Speaker 17: positive you can get away with things in this town.
Speaker 17: But if you lie about it, you're gone.
Speaker 2: God you absolutely God aren't going to give up them.
Speaker 18: I mean, he's going to claim patient doctor confidentiality, but
Speaker 18: he put the whole country at risks. So no, Trump's
Speaker 18: going to keep on this and hopefully we'll find the
Speaker 18: truth which we all know.
Speaker 3: We all know what's happened. Come on, you don't need
Speaker 3: an inquiry, but gee's fascinating. Ten the Queen, David Elliott,
Speaker 3: good to see you both have a good weekend. Thank
Speaker 3: you for joining me. Coming up after the break live
Speaker 3: to the UK as mccron ands Starmer hatch a plan
Speaker 3: to try and crack down on the hundreds of illegal
Speaker 3: boat arrivals every day, plus the winners and losers of
Speaker 3: the week.
Speaker 2: That's next Welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3: While UKPM Kiir Starmer and French President and Manuel mccron
Speaker 3: think they've hatched a plan to crack down on the hundreds.
Speaker 2: Of illegal boat arrivals happening every day.
Speaker 3: Joining me, now is Reform UK counselor Darren Grimes, Darren
Speaker 3: always lovely.
Speaker 2: To see you, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 3: The same day they announced this, some seven hundred small
Speaker 3: boats arrived.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like a dud from the beginning. Will
Speaker 2: it work?
Speaker 19: Absolutely?
Speaker 1: It does?
Speaker 19: You know you've got pound shop Napoleon. And then that
Speaker 19: bank clerk Sakia Starmer that this idea, that this has
Speaker 19: going to stop the boats one in one out nearly
Speaker 19: seven hundred illegals coming across the channel, with Nigel Farage
Speaker 19: by the way in the English Channel watching it all
Speaker 19: take place, and there were out of a boat with
Speaker 19: about seventy eight people on it. There were three women
Speaker 19: and children, three women and children, the rest of them men.
Speaker 19: Now where I'm from, Denika, in the northeast of England,
Speaker 19: we have cheaper housing stock than the rest of the country.
Speaker 19: So we are getting families, I say families. We are
Speaker 19: getting groups of men, seven at a time moving in
Speaker 19: to homes next door to young families. Imagine being that
Speaker 19: young family when that happens. So this grand idea, it's
Speaker 19: like the people smugglers are getting a memo saying cheers
Speaker 19: will send a flotilla to celebrate. You know, the pilot
Speaker 19: scheme is so puny that it'll about maybe at best
Speaker 19: fifty people a week being returned, so it'll deter absolutely nobody.
Speaker 19: Our borders are leakier than a sieve. And he calls
Speaker 19: this a breakthrough. It's a break down for Britain, That's
Speaker 19: what it is. The public are ripping it to shreds,
Speaker 19: the calling it worse than a useless frankly than this
Speaker 19: attempt to actually halt the Dinghy invasion. Compare it to
Speaker 19: some of the measures that were put in place in dare,
Speaker 19: I say, Australia, the idea that you would have turned
Speaker 19: to third countries and said to them, well, do you
Speaker 19: mind taking back at least fifty of them, the idea
Speaker 19: that would have stopped the boats. It's farcical. We are
Speaker 19: a weak nation, we are a laughing stock on the
Speaker 19: international stage, and it's all thanks to this pounch up
Speaker 19: Napoleon and this bank clerk of a prime minister.
Speaker 2: Oh look, I agree.
Speaker 3: It's almost like Keir Starmer's out of ideas. He's spinning
Speaker 3: ideas willy nilly now, Darren, hoping that something will stick,
Speaker 3: and clearly nothing is working.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is set to visit Scotland this month and
Speaker 3: Keir Starmer is going to visit him. While while he's there,
Speaker 3: I must say, Darren Kirstamer is wasting no time integrating
Speaker 3: himself while our Prime minister here at Australia can't even
Speaker 3: get one meeting with Trump.
Speaker 2: But what's going to be on the agenda this time?
Speaker 19: Look, you know it's somewhat ironic, isn't it that fresh
Speaker 19: from Bendenova, with the sort of centrist macron of France,
Speaker 19: he's now going to have to cozy up to Donald J. Trump, who,
Speaker 19: no doubt, behind the scenes he calls worse than goodness
Speaker 19: only knows what, but he'll know doubty slavering like a
Speaker 19: young puppy. Danika one minute is actually preaching NATO hikes
Speaker 19: and defending the Western Europe and arming Ukraine to the hilt,
Speaker 19: and the next actually he's talking about how he cannot
Speaker 19: control Britain's borders, and actually he admitted that Britain had
Speaker 19: lost control of its borders. So perhaps he's going to
Speaker 19: be saying talk to Donald J. Trump about all of
Speaker 19: these things. But I hope Donald Trump, as has happened
Speaker 19: from the Trump administration, turns around and reminds mister Starmer
Speaker 19: that he needs to find his spine, that he needs
Speaker 19: to remember that we're supposed to believe in freedom of
Speaker 19: expression in this country. We have political prisoners of mister
Speaker 19: Starmer's in prison right now today, at this moment. So
Speaker 19: whilst he might be trying to make out to Donald
Speaker 19: Trump that he's auditioning for MAGA membership, let's not forget
Speaker 19: that he's just as hysterical, as useless and incompetent as
Speaker 19: Kamela Harris was. So when the lefty love he meets
Speaker 19: the ultimate deal maker, I say, past the popcorn and
Speaker 19: I hope this is Starmer's orange tinted nightmare.
Speaker 1: Denika.
Speaker 3: I'm sure you'll be sitting there with your popcorn, Darren,
Speaker 3: and I look forward to getting a rundown from you
Speaker 3: at some point. Darren Grimes, always nice to see you.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much for joining me on the show
Speaker 3: this evening. Appreciate it well. It is that time of
Speaker 3: the week where we sought the winners from the losers,
Speaker 3: and helping me to do that is Per McSwain from
Speaker 3: Verb Communications.
Speaker 2: Hello, good to see you now. Your winner this week
Speaker 2: is a missing surfer.
Speaker 20: Look It's just the most wonderful, miraculous story when you
Speaker 20: think that his father actually, you know, called out, He
Speaker 20: worked out all the winds, the tidal waves and what
Speaker 20: have you to try and work out how where this
Speaker 20: kid could possibly be. He called out in desperation to
Speaker 20: just everybody he could, and this whole flotilla of relatives
Speaker 20: and boaties and what have you went out to find
Speaker 20: this kid, which of course he did.
Speaker 2: This. This boy's nineteen years old, Darcy defaults.
Speaker 20: His father is Terry, and it just talks about the
Speaker 20: father's love, you know how a family. You imagine if
Speaker 20: you'd lost someone, ohs at sea.
Speaker 2: He was missing.
Speaker 20: Overnight and this kid was found miraculously and it's made
Speaker 20: world headlines.
Speaker 2: So good on good story.
Speaker 3: Love a good news story amongst all the deaferent destruction
Speaker 3: that we've got at the moment.
Speaker 2: Now, you know, I love a music theme.
Speaker 3: So my winner this week I'll giving it to Osborne
Speaker 3: because he's played one last show with Black Sabbath in Reala.
Speaker 3: This was the last show ever. It's called the back
Speaker 3: to Beginning to a one night only. This man's seventy
Speaker 3: six years old. He's actually got Parkinson's disease, and yet
Speaker 3: he can still belt out their number one hit Paranoid.
Speaker 2: Have a look thank you from the Boma.
Speaker 19: I love you, you love me?
Speaker 1: And he's a so called paranoid.
Speaker 3: Look you really have by this? You know you don't
Speaker 3: like my winner of the week. Buy is a living legend. Yes,
Speaker 3: he was sitting down, but doesn't matter. The fact is
Speaker 3: he gave it a go.
Speaker 2: He had so much makeup on to hide all the wrinkles.
Speaker 14: What are you in?
Speaker 20: His seventies and roll rock and roll break That music
Speaker 20: is revolting.
Speaker 2: Good riddance, mate, embraced rock and roll breue. Come on,
Speaker 2: I did when I was in my twenty thirties. Now
Speaker 2: not so much. You wouldn't go after Ozzie No right, no,
Speaker 2: not my type. But he's breathing and that's about his
Speaker 2: only thing going for him. Seventy six years old. He's
Speaker 2: given it a crap. I think it was great anyway.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I saw bits of Bobs on X
Speaker 2: and I just thought, good on him anyway.
Speaker 3: That's fine, But you know I love a music the
Speaker 3: so now look your loser this week is the Act
Speaker 3: Government's dog ownership rules mandate.
Speaker 2: I mean, will they get out of our lives.
Speaker 20: These bureaucrats who are overpaid obviously have nothing better to
Speaker 20: do that come up with this.
Speaker 2: Now they believe that dogs.
Speaker 20: Are sentient, that they have feelings, and I'm sure they do,
Speaker 20: but how the hell are they going to mandate this?
Speaker 2: They want us to spend what three hours with our dogs?
Speaker 20: If you happen to live in Queen in Act and
Speaker 20: you know they're mandating it, and what are we going
Speaker 20: to do?
Speaker 2: How are you going to police it? They're going to
Speaker 2: have dog dobbers, you know. I mean, it's just absurdity.
Speaker 20: It's another hair braid Act government idea, and it's pathetic.
Speaker 20: They did it in Sweden and Germany where people were
Speaker 20: being told they had to walk a certain number.
Speaker 2: Of hours with their dogs. I mean, how dare they?
Speaker 20: And most people I know love their dogs as a
Speaker 20: member of the family.
Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be put in the law. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is typical. But we're not shocked from the Act.
Speaker 2: Let's be honest.
Speaker 3: They're woke that we're totally woke so love dogs. I
Speaker 3: absolutely adore dogs, but it doesn't need to be mandated.
Speaker 3: In the end, it's up to the pet owners. Let
Speaker 3: people decide what they.
Speaker 2: Want to do with their Get out of our lives.
Speaker 2: Get out of our lives exactly.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: My louser this week is Hollywood, particularly now that Superman
Speaker 3: has gone woke.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: This is after director James Gunn told The Times quote
Speaker 3: Superman is the story of America, an immigrant that came
Speaker 3: from other places have populated the country. It's prompted Dean Kin,
Speaker 3: who played the Man of Steel in the nineteen nineties
Speaker 3: TV series Lois and Clark, to say, we.
Speaker 2: Know Superman is an immigrant. He's a freaking alien.
Speaker 3: The American way is immigrant friendly, tremendously immigrant friendly, but
Speaker 3: there are rules. You can't come in saying I want
Speaker 3: to get rid of all the rules in America because
Speaker 3: I want to be more like Somalia.
Speaker 2: And look, you know, enough is enough.
Speaker 3: We saw it with Snow White. Why is America going Hollywood?
Speaker 3: God woke, gone wake.
Speaker 20: I wish we could find a Superman with superpowers to
Speaker 20: get rid of all these morons.
Speaker 2: You know, if we could just look.
Speaker 20: At everyone in American around the world, who is this
Speaker 20: woke idiot? These woke idiots that really have no idea
Speaker 20: and want to impose their stupidity on the rest of us,
Speaker 20: and sadly we are stupid enough to allow them, you know,
Speaker 20: I mean, but Hollywood's been strange for so long.
Speaker 2: That there's something wrong over there.
Speaker 20: Yeah, and looking at Disney, which is going grove obviously
Speaker 20: with its workness.
Speaker 3: Anyway, it's bizarre, pro lovely to see you as always.
Speaker 2: We'll do it all again next week. Thank you and
Speaker 2: thank you for your company.
Speaker 3: I'll be back on Sunday night at seven pm for
Speaker 3: Deneka and James. But up next, Caroline Marcus is filling
Speaker 3: in for Steve Price.
Speaker 2: Good night