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Speaker 1: I got on, she was just crunching and chomping. What

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Speaker 2: Because I didn't want to feel like for the next

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Speaker 1: Why is the lady allowed to say that towards two men?

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Speaker 1: But if a man said that towards two women, I'd

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Speaker 2: It's probably probably running out on it.

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Speaker 1: The gispo goialispaw was a joke. We know she, we

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Speaker 1: know God here, oh god. It was a rhetorical question.

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Speaker 1: I didn't really mean it. There's no there's nothing in it.

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Speaker 1: Don't send you an email. But Gilespo is going to

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Speaker 1: answer it anyway. Fuck, that's the problem you have him on.

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Speaker 1: You ask any question there's a fucking answer. Come on,

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Speaker 1: what is it?

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Speaker 3: Testosterone of course is the answer. Yeah, well, because because

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Speaker 3: the version of humans that has the testosterone supplement can

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Speaker 1: I don't want to point out that there's a female

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Speaker 3: mean she's got more testosterone. No, that is well, well

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Speaker 3: I don't think versions there. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: anytime soon. You should ask Gillespo what is the what

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Speaker 1: is the underlying mechanism of your your hangariness, tiff, your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, David, why is hungry such a big emotion for me?

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Speaker 2: Wow, I am carrot in hand.

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Speaker 1: Well, a carrot in hand? Did the carrot help? I

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Speaker 2: Look, and it did. But it's better than an apple.

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Speaker 2: If I eat an apple when I'm hungry, it makes

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Speaker 3: Or do you want to know why? Yes, So.

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Speaker 3: This one's a quick one. So fructose, which is the

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Speaker 1: Earth am I blamed for what's going on on your

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Speaker 1: Now now he's listening to the AI. A minute ago

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Speaker 3: just theoretically, and so other people are certainly thinking along

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Speaker 3: those lines as well, because there are trials underway in

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Speaker 3: that respect.

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Speaker 1: Well, I will be interested to see what happens. Tip

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Speaker 1: would you do it?

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Speaker 2: If you google it as we speak? Now? How much?

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Speaker 1: If you can get a home? See if you can

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Speaker 1: get a home kid, jump start your brain off your motorbike.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: For it now.

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Speaker 1: Well that's interesting, Well, mate, I think we're done. There

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Speaker 1: was anything else, anything else going on before you go

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Speaker 1: anything on planet Gillespie. That's bloody going off like a

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Speaker 1: frog in a sock.

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Speaker 3: Do we look there? I'm setting up in websit here.

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Speaker 3: This is it? You know how you're always tell me

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Speaker 3: how I wish at marketing and you're right.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah you are.

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Speaker 3: Well I've sorted that. Well, I'm on the way to

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Speaker 3: sorting that out and so from now on, all people

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Speaker 3: have to remember is my name. So you just go

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Speaker 3: to David Gillespie dot org and you'll see links to

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Speaker 3: all the articles that we talk about, and as a

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Speaker 3: special feature, I'm even going to put links to these

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Speaker 3: chats on that website.

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Speaker 1: Shit, well, it's about time you dragged yourself out of

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Speaker 1: the bloody nineteen seventies and got yourself, you know, an

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Speaker 1: electronic brochure, a front of housefo you dot org tip?

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Speaker 1: What have you discovered? Have you got a home kid yet?

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Speaker 2: Cool? Eighteen hundred and I'll have one in the mail.

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Speaker 1: What is it? Read out? What you're looking at?

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Speaker 2: Well, now I'm asking chatters about it because I like chatters.

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Speaker 1: To tell me, oh no, don't ask chatters. All right,

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Speaker 1: that'll do, Doctor Gillespie. We appreciate. We'll say goodbye affair,

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Speaker 1: but mate, thanks for the chat. Always always good to

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Speaker 1: catch up.

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Speaker 3: Good to chat