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Speaker 1: On sky Leaves, Australia. This is the Weder Panalty Show.

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Speaker 2: Good evening and welcome to the Rita Panny Show. We're

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Speaker 2: here in Phoenix, Arizona. We have another sellar lineup of

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Speaker 2: guests for you, including the Great Douglas Murray will unpack

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Speaker 2: the three key moments from President Trump's address to the

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Speaker 2: United Nations General Assembly earlier today, and Douglas has a

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Speaker 2: thing or two to say about the rise and rise

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Speaker 2: of left wing violence. Shamiga Michelle will bring us the

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Speaker 2: day's top headlines, including the guilty verdict of would be

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Speaker 2: Trump assassin Ryan Ruth, and later in the hour, we

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Speaker 2: travel to the Charlie Kirk Memorial at Turning Point USA

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Speaker 2: headquarters to speak to Christian preacher Andrew Cedra, whose Australian

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Speaker 2: church has seen a big jump in attendance after Charlie's murder.

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Speaker 2: And we take to the streets to talk to some

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Speaker 2: lefty's using it in the wild. Apparently Charlie Kirk was

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Speaker 2: a terrible racist.

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Speaker 3: That wanted me dead.

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Speaker 4: Everybody that wasn't a white Christian dead.

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Speaker 2: Charlie wanted everyone who wasn't a white Christian dead. So

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk would have wanted me dead because I'm neither

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Speaker 2: white or Christian.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely joining me now is.

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Speaker 2: The author of international best sellers, including his latest on

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Speaker 2: democracies and death cults. Douglas Murray, I'm interested in your

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Speaker 2: thoughts on the significance of Charlie Kirk's legacy to American

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Speaker 2: political life and the wider culture. But let's start with

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Speaker 2: the UN and President Donald Trump addressed the United Nations

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Speaker 2: General Assembly earlier today, and he criticized European allies over

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Speaker 2: everything from green energy obsessions to immigration policies, and the

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Speaker 2: UN itself didn't escape scrutiny either.

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Speaker 5: What is the purpose of the United Nations? The UN

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Speaker 5: has such tremendous potential, it's empty words, and empty words

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Speaker 5: don't solve war. The only thing that solves war and

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Speaker 5: wars is action.

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Speaker 2: Douglas, have you also wondered what is the point of

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Speaker 2: the UN?

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Speaker 6: Well, many people have wondered about that for many decades.

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Speaker 6: Now it's some forty years ago, so since the American

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Speaker 6: ambassadors have said very similar things. The problem for the

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Speaker 6: UN has always been that the number of democracies in

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Speaker 6: the world show up, they tend to get castigated by

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Speaker 6: the non democracies in the world, the free countries get

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Speaker 6: ambassad by unfree countries, and everyone has to pretend that, say,

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Speaker 6: you know, an elected leader in a democracy is on

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Speaker 6: an even pegging with some thuggish dictator from somewhere else

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Speaker 6: in the world, and of course, you know, that's a

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Speaker 6: sort of nicety. Unfortunately, a lot of people fall into

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Speaker 6: the trap of believing that as a result, the UN

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Speaker 6: is what it says it is and is the sort

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Speaker 6: of ultimate court of the world. And you know, whilst

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Speaker 6: some things can be hashed out there, I have always

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Speaker 6: thought that it is important that democratically elected leaders of

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Speaker 6: countries like the US do things like Trump did today

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Speaker 6: and call out the UN's failings. Otherwise it's just a

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Speaker 6: sort of talking shop for demogogues and dictators to launder

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Speaker 6: their reputations. In New York.

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Speaker 2: City now, the President had this to say about mass migration,

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Speaker 2: including illegal immigration and economic migrants seeking asylum.

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Speaker 5: Proud nations must be allowed to protect their communities and

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Speaker 5: prevent their societies from being overwhelmed by people they have

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Speaker 5: never seen before, with different customs, religions, with different everything.

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Speaker 5: Where migrants are violated law, large false asylum claims or

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Speaker 2: He's talking about essentially what you wrote about so many

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Speaker 2: years ago, the Strange Death of Europe.

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Speaker 6: Yes, a book which is of course not just about Europe,

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Speaker 6: but about America, Canada, Australia, all the Western liberal democracies,

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Speaker 6: all of which have had more than a generation of

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Speaker 6: actually of politicians have got us into. Of all political parties,

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Speaker 6: what Trump said is completely true, and of course we'll

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Speaker 6: go down like a couple cold sick with almost all

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Speaker 6: of his allies, because you know, governments like those in

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Speaker 6: like talking endlessly about our openness and our diversity and

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Speaker 6: so on. And Trump made one of the observations that yes,

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Speaker 6: I mean, I've made for many years, which is, why

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Speaker 6: is it only the Western democracies that have to undergo this?

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Speaker 6: Why is it that we're not allowed to defend our

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Speaker 6: own borders. Why are we not allowed to have our

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Speaker 6: our diversity and much more. And as you and I

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Speaker 6: have said before Rita. One of the historic things which

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Speaker 6: Trump is showing, and if he can pull it off

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Speaker 6: with Home and others, then it'll be really seismic, is

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Speaker 6: to show that the illegal migration and the dissolution of

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Speaker 6: Western cultures is not inevitable. That you can actually have

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Speaker 6: an orderly migration policy. You can have borders, you can

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Speaker 6: asylum policies, but you can have none of those things

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Speaker 6: if you've decided that basically anyone who walks into your

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Speaker 6: the benefits of being in these countries, despite in most

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Speaker 6: cases not having contributed anything to them and not being

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Speaker 6: likely to contribute anything meaningful to them either. Yes, what

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Speaker 6: he said was completely true, and doubtless, as I say,

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Speaker 6: all of his allies will abhor his comments and think

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Speaker 6: how incredibly backward President Trump is to voice such sentiments.

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Speaker 6: Whereas an actual fact in the rotation the politics can

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Speaker 6: often be the rotating game, the politics can often be

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Speaker 6: maybe Donald Trump is the voice from the future.

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Speaker 2: On all this, and finally, on President Trump's You and Address,

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Speaker 2: he blasted countries including France Britain Australia for recognizing Palestine.

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Speaker 2: He said Douglas, that effectively rewards the terrorism we saw

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Speaker 2: on October seven.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, he's completely right about that. Hamas has of

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Speaker 6: course already thanked Keir Starmer and others for saying that

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Speaker 6: they recognize a state of Palestine. It's pure posturing by

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Speaker 6: alban As, Carnie Starmer, macron As As I've said to

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Speaker 6: you before, Retai. After all, I mean, I think the

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Speaker 6: era where heads of state in Britain and France and

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Speaker 6: so on can create and carve out states in far

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Speaker 6: off continence is over. I think most people, particularly from

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Speaker 6: the political left, were rather pleased that's over. These are

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Speaker 6: unilateral declarations of recognition of statehood are totally meaningless for

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Speaker 6: a whole pile of reasons. But just to list some

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Speaker 6: of them in short order, there is no agreed state

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Speaker 6: of Palestine. There is no agreed Palestinian leadership. There are

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Speaker 6: no agreed borders, there are no agreed there's no agreed capital,

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Speaker 6: there's no agreement on what land swaps or anything else

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Speaker 6: would look like. And there's no evidence from what Palestinian

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Speaker 6: or with Judean Samaria, with the Palestinian authority. There's no

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Speaker 6: evidence at all that they're remotely willing to live in

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Speaker 6: peace with their neighbors. And of course Hamas see this

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Speaker 6: as a victory. They invaded Israel almost two years ago

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Speaker 6: and within under two years, all of these Western governments

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Speaker 6: hostages have done next to nothing to get the hostages out,

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Speaker 6: done next to nothing to stop Hamaz for the last

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Speaker 6: twenty or more years, and instead now have given this

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Speaker 6: unilateral declaration which simply rewards the terrorists. And they could

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Speaker 6: not even going to think about recognizing a so called

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Speaker 6: Palestinian state until every hostage that Hamaz stole is taken

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Speaker 6: and until that nothing, They couldn't even hold that line.

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Speaker 6: So we've all seen who they are, these Macrons and

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Speaker 6: that is Marco Rubio E, the Secretary of State, was

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Speaker 6: completely right when he said in the aftermath of President

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Speaker 6: Trump's address. He was completely right, Rubio when he said,

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Speaker 6: all these leaders Australia, Canada, Britain, France, they're not doing

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Speaker 6: this because they can create a Palestinian state. They can't.

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Speaker 6: They're doing it for domestic political reasons, because people like

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Speaker 6: the radical Palestinianists in their own countries if they do this,

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Speaker 6: you know what, they can't. But look at the lesson

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Speaker 6: that Italy has showed us. Georgia. Maloney didn't join in

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Speaker 6: because Maloney wouldn't do this Boloney act of pretending that

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Speaker 6: she can create a Palestinian state. So that's all that

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Speaker 6: these other Western leaders have done. They've done it to

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Speaker 6: mollify the mobs at home. And well maybe they think

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Speaker 3: Now Douglas.

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Speaker 2: We're coming to you from Charlie Kirk's beloved Phoenix, where

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Speaker 2: he were headquartered Turning Point, USA, and where his funeral

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Speaker 2: was held on at Sunday. It was an incredible event

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Speaker 2: on so many levels. How did you say the memorial

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Speaker 2: and what do you say as Charlie's lasting legacy.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think it's really the beginning of that legacy.

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Speaker 6: A number of the speakers at the memorial on Sunday

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Speaker 6: to silence him, and it's exactly the opposite. He's given

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Speaker 6: Charlie's voice a wider range than it ever could have

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Speaker 6: demonstration that people who use violence to pursue political means should,

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Speaker 6: among many other things, apart from the fact that it's evil,

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Speaker 6: It was a remarkable demonstration of solidarity and support from

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Speaker 6: Kirk's widow, Erica, and her remarkable speech but I also

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Speaker 6: think Rita, you've noticed as well that really one of

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Speaker 6: And I think I think that that legacy is going

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Speaker 3: Do you say that.

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Speaker 2: As important in biting back for Western values and reaffirming

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Speaker 2: those Judeo Christian values, Well.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's something I wrote about a lot in

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Speaker 6: The Strange Death of Europe a decade ago, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 6: which is that we are in a complicated place in

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Speaker 6: the history of the West because what we enjoy in

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Speaker 6: from our Judeo Christian roots. There's no doubt about that,

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Speaker 6: and anyone who says otherwise is simply trying to retrofit

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Speaker 6: specific and unusual in many ways religious theological tradition. And

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Speaker 6: the question, as the form of Pope Benedict then Cardinal

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Speaker 6: been answered, which is no, that if you completely cut

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Speaker 6: an open question in the West whether there is another

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Speaker 2: Beautifully said, now, you wrote about the violence we are

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Speaker 6: Would play it any other way around that if there

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Speaker 6: There are people who engage in political violence all sides.

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Speaker 2: Douglas Murray, thank you, very time still to come Left.

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Speaker 2: He's losing it out in the wild plaster Day's top headlines,

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Speaker 2: and it's time for lefties losing it, and I regret

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Speaker 2: to inform you that she's back. Yes, the world's worst

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is back.

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Speaker 2: And she's hitting the Lopius leftist programs to flog her

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Speaker 2: Hall of Famer Rachel Madda, making outrageous idiotic claims. I

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Speaker 2: can only hope she was drunk when she said this

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Speaker 7: We used to compare the strength of our democracy to

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Speaker 7: Trump and these titans of industry are not speaking up.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you heard that right.

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Speaker 2: Kamala called President Trump a communist, Yes, a communist, and

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Speaker 2: she goes from slamming the president for being a communist

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Speaker 8: What do you think of him and his candidacy and

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Speaker 8: what do you think of mainline democratic shyness and agitation

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Speaker 7: Look, as far as I'm concerned, he's the Democratic nominee.

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Speaker 3: He should be supported.

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Speaker 1: Do you endorse his candidacy?

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Speaker 7: I support the Democrat in the race.

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Speaker 6: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Look if he thought Kamala had acquired some wisdom, some class,

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Speaker 2: some perspective and the months since she was resoundingly beaten

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Speaker 3: All she revealed overnight is that she's a frightful bigot.

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Speaker 3: But it's not her fault.

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Speaker 2: It's everybody else's fault. Here, she explains why she did

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Speaker 7: To be a black woman running for president of the

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Speaker 3: So it wasn't it about it.

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Speaker 7: It wasn't about it rate, So it wasn't about any

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Speaker 2: Of course, you are a great ally, Kamala, except you

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Speaker 3: I think we have a name for that.

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Speaker 2: It just goes to show that even Kamala Harris thinks

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Speaker 2: Kamala trying to paint a landslide loss as close, so.

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Speaker 7: Close, And it ended up being the closest presidential election

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Speaker 2: Poor delusional soul thinks it was close. She lost every

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Speaker 7: This person and what we just saw in terms of

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Speaker 3: Talked about remembering the debate.

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Speaker 7: They laughed at him the last time he was in

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Speaker 7: Be an emperor in his mind who will demonstrate his

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Speaker 3: So Trump has.

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Speaker 2: Gone from being a communist dictator to being an emperor,

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Speaker 2: how rotten your soul must be.

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Speaker 3: To do this.

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Speaker 9: Father, forgive them for they not know what they do.

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Speaker 2: Now let's hear from a left to you who thinks

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Speaker 8: You know you're a fascist when you demand law and

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Speaker 8: You know you're a fascist when you want to lock

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Speaker 2: Who's going to tell her that everything she just said

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Speaker 8: You know you're a fascist when you cheer when peaceful

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Speaker 2: You know, it's almost cruel to laugh at someone that thick,

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Speaker 2: But what else can you do?

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Speaker 2: In honor of Charlie Kirk, I thought I'd go out

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Speaker 10: They could literally pick me off the street and say

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: Let's hear this Democrat just casually engage in sight democracy denial.

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Speaker 2: you don't have the numbers.

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Speaker 10: That's a loaded question because right now, what I think

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Speaker 10: is happening is the administration is doing everything they can

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Speaker 10: to influence that vote and to stop truly free and

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Speaker 10: fair elections.

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Speaker 2: So they're already trying to delegitimize the midterms. Next we

445
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Speaker 2: discuss Charlie Kirk, and that's when this discussion really went

446
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Speaker 2: off the rails.

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Speaker 10: People can worship whoever they want to, and if you

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Speaker 10: want to worship a hatemonger, knock yourselves out.

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Speaker 3: You saw Charlie Kirk as a hatemonger.

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Speaker 4: I saw Charlie Kirk because he was a hatemonger.

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Speaker 3: Can you just explain why you say that?

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Speaker 10: Oh, there's like seventeen lover we quotes of Charlie Kirk

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Speaker 10: talking about how black people shouldn't are qualified to do

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Speaker 10: their jobs, how women should live at home inside, and

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Speaker 10: inciting his people to actual violence, go out and exercise

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Speaker 10: your rights that he will say two, and let's go

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Speaker 10: put some hurt on people.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he never said black people unqualified. He

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Speaker 2: said he didn't believe in de policies. That's not exactly

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Speaker 2: the same thing. In fact, it was saying, if you

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Speaker 2: see a black pilot, you would imagine you would start

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Speaker 2: thinking are.

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Speaker 3: They there because of DEI policies?

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Speaker 2: And that actually undermines those who get their own merit.

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Speaker 2: So that is a DEI argument, not an anti black argument.

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Speaker 4: No, No, you're incorrect about that.

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Speaker 10: It is an anti black statement because the only way possible,

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Speaker 10: in Charlie Kirk's mind for a non white person to

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Speaker 10: get a job is for other sorts of programs, which

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Speaker 10: is absolute garbage.

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Speaker 2: No, he never said that. I've listened to what he

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Speaker 2: said in that quote, because that quote's gone viral, and

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Speaker 2: he was very clear that black peopleeople don't need DEI

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Speaker 2: because they can become pilots or doctors or engineers whatever.

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Speaker 3: In their own right on merit.

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Speaker 2: They don't need those programs to undermine their achievement. So

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Speaker 2: when they actually make it, people wonder how they got there.

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Speaker 2: You don't see the merit of at least that argument,

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Speaker 2: even if you don't agree with it.

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Speaker 10: Well, that's not the argument Charlick Crook made, and you're

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Speaker 10: trying to whitewash it, just like American media.

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Speaker 4: You've learned your lesson as well.

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Speaker 2: Did you think I'm whitewashing precisely what he said in

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Speaker 2: the context he said it, Well, he said.

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Speaker 4: In the context that he said, I've watched I've watched

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Speaker 4: the video quite a few of them.

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Speaker 2: You characterized it as he thinks black people can't achieve

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Speaker 2: anything when obviously.

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Speaker 3: That's not what he said.

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Speaker 4: No, that is obviously what he said. That's correct.

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Speaker 2: Well, do you think maybe that's your own bigotry informing

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Speaker 2: your thoughts because that's not what he said. His words

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Speaker 2: are clear. You can read the entire transcript, or you

494
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Speaker 2: can watch the video.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, watch the video, like, okay, let's go to the type.

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Speaker 11: I'll tell you exactly what I said and why I

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Speaker 11: said it. Okay, I said, if so, when you see

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Speaker 11: a black pilot, you wonder, boy, is that person there

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Speaker 11: because they earned it or because they were placed there?

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Speaker 11: That's what DEI does. It makes you ask questions you

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Speaker 11: otherwise would not ask.

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Speaker 2: But apparently our lefty losing it new Charlie's mind better

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Speaker 2: than Charlie, and he's not about patronizing a woman of color.

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Speaker 2: I mean, these lefties can't even play by their own

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Speaker 2: stupid rules.

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Speaker 3: What context did he say that?

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Speaker 10: Do we need to contextualize racist behavior? Is an interesting thing?

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Speaker 3: I would have said. DEI is racialist behavior.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, if you're talking about DEI and the impact

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Speaker 2: it has on society, I would imagine, yes, you do

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Speaker 2: need to talk about that.

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Speaker 10: I think diversity, you know, inclusion, equality are certain things

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Speaker 10: that we should have.

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Speaker 4: Why are you against them?

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Speaker 3: Why am I against DEI?

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Speaker 2: Diversity equity inclusion, which one specifically, I'm against the entire

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Speaker 2: d ideology because I don't believe as a woman of color,

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Speaker 2: I need to have standards lowered so I can achieve anything.

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Speaker 2: And I would never want someone to look at me

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Speaker 2: and say, did she get there through DEI, which is

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Speaker 2: what he was talking about. As far as the black pilots.

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Speaker 10: Go, you're implying a lot of contexts that he did

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Speaker 10: not have in there.

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Speaker 2: But Charlie was pretty expansive in his context.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, racist, hateful, all of that stuff. Yeah, expense we

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Speaker 10: want to basically everybody that wasn't a white Christian dead.

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Speaker 2: Charlie wanted everyone who wasn't a white Christian dead. So

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Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk would have wanted me dead because I'm neither

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Speaker 2: white or Christian.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, So it's really odd for me that you're carrying

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Speaker 10: water for him. But you know, we are still a

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Speaker 10: free country and we can do whatever we want to do,

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Speaker 10: even foreigners that come in and have questions, but we're

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Speaker 10: happy to talk about it.

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Speaker 2: We've just paid tribute to Charlie's legacy and having respectful,

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Speaker 2: peaceful debate without anybody coming to blows or causing violence.

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Speaker 3: So thank you, Charlie. Thanks for that one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, don't thank you, Charlie, but thanks me.

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Speaker 3: Did you like his.

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Speaker 2: Dismissive tone about me being a foreigner?

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Speaker 3: I always show their true colors.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I was born here, champ And thank

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Speaker 2: you Charlie for setting a standard we should all aspire to.

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Speaker 2: Joining me now is political commentator and author Shamika Michelle.

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Speaker 2: Shamika tell me, was Charlie Kirk racist as our lefty

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Speaker 2: friend's claim.

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Speaker 12: No, actually, Rita, I don't believe that he was racist

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Speaker 12: at all. What I do understand, however, is that when

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00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 12: people hear the truth and they're offended by the truth,

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Speaker 12: they need to find excuses so that that truth doesn't

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Speaker 12: apply to them and they don't have to take accountability.

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Speaker 13: That's really all it is.

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Speaker 12: So if they feel like if they can get people

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Speaker 12: to think that he's racist or that he was a misogynist,

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Speaker 12: then they can dodge accountability. But he wasn't racist or

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Speaker 12: misogynist misogynist at all. They just don't want to be

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Speaker 12: responsible and accountable.

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Speaker 2: You are so correct, And if they were making these

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Speaker 2: arguments in goodwill. If I actually believed what they were saying,

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Speaker 2: they wouldn't take his words out of context, that wouldn't

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Speaker 2: manufacture quotes, they wouldn't go out of their way to

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Speaker 2: misrepresent what he was saying and what he was for

563
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Speaker 2: to try to malign him.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely, that's all that it is.

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Speaker 12: I saw Don Lemon, you know, probably from CNN, you

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Speaker 12: may know him complaining about all of the messages of

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Speaker 12: Christ and God that came through on the memorial service

568
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Speaker 12: for Charlie Kirk, complaining, and I just said to someone,

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Speaker 12: this is a man who understands that typical Bible believers

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Speaker 12: don't think his lifestyle is okay.

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Speaker 13: So he's just angry about that.

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Speaker 12: This is Dn Lemon and so many others just not

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Speaker 12: wanting to change their lifestyle to fit the Bible. They

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Speaker 12: want to change the Bible to fit their lifestyle.

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Speaker 13: And that's just not the way it works.

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Speaker 2: Now today, the man who tried to assassinate President Trump,

577
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Speaker 2: Ryan Ruth, was found guilty on all charges, including attempting

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Speaker 2: to assassinate Donald Trump, assaulting a federal police officer, multiple

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Speaker 2: firearm fences as well Shamika. There were dramatic scenes in

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Speaker 2: the court. As the verdict was being read. Ryan Ruth

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Speaker 2: reportedly tried to stab himself in the neck with a

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Speaker 2: pen before four US marshals intervened and restrained him. His

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Speaker 2: daughter Sarah then stood up and said, don't do anything.

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Speaker 2: I will get you out. What the f He didn't

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Speaker 2: hurt anybody. This is not fair. This is all rigged.

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Speaker 2: You guys are a holes Shamika. What do we know

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Speaker 2: about this guy? Do we know precisely why he tried

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Speaker 2: to do this? Did he get any assistance? The sas

589
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Speaker 2: to still be some amount of mystery around this man.

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Speaker 12: You know, Rita, we have a saying here and it's

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Speaker 12: usually written in the acronym in all caps fa fo,

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Speaker 12: And that's exactly what happened this man. You know, to

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Speaker 12: just say it a lot nicer. You play silly games,

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Speaker 12: you get silly prizes, and that's what happened here. He's

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Speaker 12: trying to act as if he shouldn't get the time

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Speaker 12: because nothing actually happened. Well, you tried it, and you

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Speaker 12: saw exactly what happened.

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Speaker 13: We don't feel any sorrow for him at all.

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Speaker 2: He fa f O, yes, And we're in the frortion

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Speaker 2: of that equation. Now, Shamika, let's have a look at

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Speaker 2: what happened earlier today when President Trump and Milania arrived

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Speaker 2: at the UN. We read again, Yep, the escalator abruptly

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Speaker 2: stopped just as the President and the First Lady got

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Speaker 2: on it.

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Speaker 3: Luckily, no one was heard.

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Speaker 2: It seems all innocent, except The Times reported on the

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Speaker 2: weekend that UN staff members and I quote here have

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Speaker 2: joked that they may turn off the escalators and elevators

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Speaker 2: and simply tell him that's President Trump. They ran out

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Speaker 2: of money, so he has to walk up the stairs.

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Speaker 2: And noting this, Secretary Caroline Leavitt posted on x if

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Speaker 2: someone at the UN intentionally stopped the escalator as the

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Speaker 2: President and First Lady were stepping on, they need to

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Speaker 2: be fired and investigated immediately. Shamika, surely no one would

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Speaker 2: be that stupid.

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Speaker 12: You know, we just lost Charlie kirk Rita, so I

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Speaker 12: do feel like someone would be that stupid. I don't

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Speaker 12: put anything past the people who see Donald Trump as

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Speaker 12: an enemy.

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Speaker 13: I just don't trust them. And I'm with Caroline.

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Speaker 12: If someone actually did that on purpose, they need to

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Speaker 12: be fired. So I wouldn't mind a small investigation into

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Speaker 12: that at all, because of just what we've been through,

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Speaker 12: and we know that they tried to assassinate President Trump

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Speaker 12: over the summer. I just don't trust them, and I

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Speaker 12: think we need to start fighting back and being very

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Speaker 12: viitious about it.

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Speaker 2: I'm telling you, if that turns out to be deliberate,

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Speaker 2: they have to be I don't think they can just

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Speaker 2: be sacked.

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Speaker 3: I think they have to.

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Speaker 2: Be looked at some charges, because it's just pure good

633
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Speaker 2: luck that nobody was hurt with that level of stupidity. Now,

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel will be back on the airways tonight, but

635
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Speaker 2: not everywhere.

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Speaker 3: He used to be.

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Speaker 2: The New York Post is reporting his show will be

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Speaker 2: missing from dozens of markets after Sinclair Broadcast Group and

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Speaker 2: Next Time Media Group, which operates thirty two ABC affiliates,

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Speaker 2: said that they are not interested in having Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 2: live on their airways. And this is all after he

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00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: claimed that Charlie Kirk was killed by a MAGA supporter.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Kimmel would know perfectly well that is untrue, and

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Speaker 2: he said it anyway. Shamika, what do you make of

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Speaker 2: what's happened and with Jimmy Kimmel, is he eventually gonna

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Speaker 2: get back all across the country or is this really

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Speaker 2: the end of his career.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm not sure he'll get back across the country.

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Speaker 12: This may just be them allowing him to come on,

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Speaker 12: so it won't seem as if they caved, or it

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Speaker 12: won't seem as if they took him off because of

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Speaker 12: freedom of speech.

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Speaker 13: Jimmy Kimmel's show is trash.

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Speaker 12: I know that it's still gonna be absent from my television,

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Speaker 12: just as it was.

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Speaker 13: Prior to the boycott.

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Speaker 12: But I don't feel sorry for him because I had

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Speaker 12: to suffer through them taking Roseanne off of TV and

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Speaker 12: changing it to the Connors.

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Speaker 13: So this is what happens.

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Speaker 12: And again I just think that this is the beginning

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Speaker 12: of the end because he's just simply not funny.

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Speaker 3: Well, that seems to be the k point. He's not funny.

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Speaker 2: He has next to no audience and a massive salary

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Speaker 2: and a massive team. None of it makes sense now, Shamika.

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Speaker 2: I played some clips of Kamala Harris earlier on Left.

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Speaker 3: He's losing it.

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Speaker 2: She's been all around on Rachel Maddow's program and The View.

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Speaker 2: What have you made of her recent media appearances?

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Speaker 13: The usual rita.

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Speaker 12: I don't Maybe she should be a spokesperson for a

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Speaker 12: vodka drink or maybe rum or something. She just never

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Speaker 12: comes across very clear. It's always some sort of word salad.

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Speaker 12: So maybe she can go and work for a hidden balley,

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Speaker 12: because you would definitely need some ranch or some type

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Speaker 12: of salad dressing to go along with the word salad

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Speaker 12: that she always gives us.

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Speaker 13: I mean, this is just usual Kamala.

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Speaker 12: Nothing has changed except her address.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you said it all right there and then,

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Speaker 2: and yet she's still the front runner to be the

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Speaker 2: presidential candidate for the Democrats in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: They've got such a shallow talent pool.

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Speaker 2: What did you make of her claim that she didn't

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Speaker 2: select Pete Bodhajedge because he's gay. She could have had

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Speaker 2: him as her running mate, but she said, I'm a

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Speaker 2: black woman, I couldn't have a gay running mate.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 12: I think that's rich coming from someone who participated in

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Speaker 12: enlisted activities her way up. So I don't know about

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Speaker 12: Kamala again, I think she's just trying to get attention.

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Speaker 12: I don't know about her being the front.

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Speaker 13: Runner of anything.

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Speaker 12: I hope they do try to run her again so

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Speaker 12: that we can actually keep the White.

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Speaker 13: House for another four more years.

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Speaker 2: Now, Shamika, I want to play you a little cleip.

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Speaker 2: Ip played tourists in Phoenix, and I just noted all

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Speaker 2: the mess we're bombarded in within our big cities, so

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Speaker 2: much visual pollution, some of it political, a lot of

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Speaker 2: it political.

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Speaker 3: And here's what I found in Phoenix. How do Sky

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Speaker 3: News family.

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Speaker 2: I'm in downtown Phoenix and I'm looking at some public art.

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Speaker 2: Some of it's good, some of it's bad, and some

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Speaker 2: of it is downright ugly.

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Speaker 3: This I like.

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Speaker 2: Now, this is Massa Amini. She's a woman in Iran

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Speaker 2: who was murdered by the morality police for not wearing

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Speaker 2: her he jat properly. Her murder sparked widespread process.

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Speaker 3: How did you guys? Yeah, what can you do?

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Speaker 2: Probably left he is losing it. As I was saying,

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Speaker 2: this is actually a very base piece of art.

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Speaker 3: May not look like and it might look like some.

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Speaker 2: Sort of woke bit of symbolism, but this is about

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Speaker 2: the oppression of women, the oppression of gays in Iran,

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Speaker 2: those living under Islam.

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Speaker 3: I would like that to be a little bit clearer.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps I don't know something like free women from the

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Speaker 2: Jab or solidarity with our sisters living under Shariah.

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Speaker 3: Some sort of.

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Speaker 2: Clarity around the piece of art I think would be

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Speaker 2: useful and make it more powerful. But thumbs up for

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Speaker 2: this one.

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Speaker 3: Black history matters. I don't like that.

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Speaker 2: I don't like Black lives matter, because all lives matter,

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Speaker 2: All history matters. If you can't substitute the word white

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Speaker 2: in for black or any other minority, then don't do it.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't say white history matters. M M.

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Speaker 2: We've had the good, we've had the bad, and this

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Speaker 2: is the ugly, and it's opposite my hotel. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to ask for a discount when I check out because

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Speaker 2: I have been traumatized. Why would anyone want to look

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Speaker 2: at Kamala every day? I mean, what an insane thing

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Speaker 2: to be putting up on a building. It screams failure,

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Speaker 2: it is screams incoherence, it is screams word solids. It's

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Speaker 2: not what you want to say in any city, let

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Speaker 2: alone Phoenix do better, Shamaica. I think I might have

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Speaker 2: a future as a travel reporter. I think I cannot

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Speaker 2: grow into that role. But seriously, what are your thoughts

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Speaker 2: on this messaging around our big cities. Do we need

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Speaker 2: to have Black History Months?

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Speaker 13: I'm with you.

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Speaker 12: I think Black history is simply American history.

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Speaker 13: It's just history.

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Speaker 12: And I think that as long as we're trying to

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Speaker 12: come together, we have to make an effort to stop

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Speaker 12: finding reasons to divide.

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Speaker 13: We've had Black.

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Speaker 12: History Month for the longest time, and I think it's

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Speaker 12: just time for us.

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Speaker 13: To move on.

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Speaker 12: I think we should actually work on unifying instead of

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Speaker 12: trying to just keep being separate.

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Speaker 2: We are on a unity Tikad show. Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for your time. Tonight still to come. We traveled

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Speaker 2: at the Charlie Kirk Memorial at Turning Point USA headquarters,

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Speaker 2: where we're joined by Christian pastor Andrew Cedra. Andrew Cedra,

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Speaker 2: We're at Turning Point Headquarters here in Phoenix, Arizona, a

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Speaker 2: couple of days after Charlie Kirk's funeral.

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Speaker 3: It's been called a revival. Is that how you see it?

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Speaker 14: It's a revival. It's a revival. Charlie Kirk wasn't a conservative.

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Speaker 14: He was a Christian. He or a Christian that's conservative,

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Speaker 14: and that's one of the biggest points of tension about

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Speaker 14: his life. Why you saw the celebration of his death

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Speaker 14: because his faith affected his politics. He didn't do politics

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Speaker 14: for the sake of politics. He did politics for the

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Speaker 14: sake of faith. He didn't do politics to win elections.

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Speaker 14: He actually did politics to win the next generation. He

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Speaker 14: caught the heart mind, but more than anything, he caught

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Speaker 14: the spirit of the next generation gen Z fundamentally.

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Speaker 1: Even though gen Z are the most gay.

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Speaker 14: Or the most socialists, or the most Algeburcuates I've ever been,

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Speaker 14: they're also the most spiritually aware they've ever been. They're

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Speaker 14: rejecting the notion that housing, food, medicare will satisfy your soul.

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Speaker 14: They're looking for truth, beauty, virtue and morality. And that's

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Speaker 14: the reason we're seeing a revival among the next generation.

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Speaker 14: They fully understand that you're not a body that has

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Speaker 14: a soul. You are a soul that has a body,

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Speaker 14: and they're tuning into the soul.

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Speaker 1: And that's the reason you were able to.

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Speaker 14: See thousands of young people crying, weeping and celebrating the

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Speaker 14: life of charliekirk Well.

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Speaker 2: Whether you looked at his funeral, you look at the

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Speaker 2: visual here at Turning Point Headquarters, there are so many

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Speaker 2: young people. There's a real contrast between some of the

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Speaker 2: left thooing protests we've seen in this country and what

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Speaker 2: we've seen with Charlie is that reflected back home in

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Speaker 2: Australia and left.

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Speaker 1: Us something that happens to them. They don't like.

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Speaker 14: They protests and they burn buildings. When Christians die, we pray,

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Speaker 14: we worship, and we go to church. And the line

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Speaker 14: of character is too obvious, like if you have been

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Speaker 14: claiming Christian Christians a homophobe, sexist, hate speech, all this

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Speaker 14: stuff that we get labeled, I get labeled all of

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Speaker 14: that for simply preaching the bubble. The facts simply do

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Speaker 14: not match what you're saying. We don't burn cities, we

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Speaker 14: don't kill people, we don't bash people, we don't intimidate people.

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Speaker 14: When we get persecuted and killed, we go to church,

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Speaker 14: we worship Jesus, we open the Bible, and just like Erica,

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Speaker 14: we have to forgive in regards to Australia because of

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Speaker 14: the death of marta prophet Saint Charlie Kirk from a

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Speaker 14: Christian them perspective, he died while proclaiming Jesus. Just a

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Speaker 14: few moments before he died, he answered the question about

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Speaker 14: who Jesus is the historical evidence of Jesus. He's not

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Speaker 14: just a conspiracy theory, He's an actual rehearsocophigure and he

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Speaker 14: got killed in the midst of this type of conversation.

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Speaker 14: And because of that, in Australia, our church Echo Church

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Speaker 14: in Sydney, we have seen more than three hundred young

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Speaker 14: people come to our church in the last two weeks.

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Speaker 3: And do you see that as connected to Charlie Kirk.

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Speaker 14: Percent It's not a coincidence. The biggest two surgeons or

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Speaker 14: in our church. Our church charted eight years ago. By

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Speaker 14: the grace of God, we are on like five hundred

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Speaker 14: people a week. The average size of a church in

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Speaker 14: Australia twenty nine people and the average age is like

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Speaker 14: fifty to sixty. The average age in our church is

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Speaker 14: twenty five to thirty. The two biggest moments of revival

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Speaker 14: we've seen in our church was after COVID lockdowns, our

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Speaker 14: church doubled and last week, in the last two weeks

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Speaker 14: we had one hundred and seventy five percent growth. That's

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Speaker 14: around three hundred brand new people in our church.

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Speaker 1: That we have never seen before.

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Speaker 14: Charlie Kirk was able to move gen Z ten points

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Speaker 14: towards Christianity, ten points towards Christendom. Ten points were in conservatism.

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Speaker 14: And that is the reason Donald Trump won the election.

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Speaker 14: Charlie Cope on the heart of the next generation.

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Speaker 1: And this is a very weird.

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Speaker 14: Funny way, because while he was preaching politics, politics led

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Speaker 14: them to Jesus are very crazy, very inconvenient way. But

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Speaker 14: if you have been a Christian for any longer time,

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Speaker 14: God always uses on all the dogs way. He uses

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Speaker 14: things that we didn't even anticipate. Who knew that the

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Speaker 14: greatest political commentator of our time would also be the

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Speaker 14: greatest revivalist.

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Speaker 1: Of our time.

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Speaker 14: So we are seeing growth in our church. Luck never

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Speaker 14: before people are traveling two hours away to come to

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Speaker 14: listen to the Gospel.

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Speaker 1: So God is not dead, He's more alive than ever.

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Speaker 2: We've got so many churches across the country that are

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Speaker 2: really become political in their messaging, so many churches that

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Speaker 2: have become woke, and they are not exactly catering to

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Speaker 2: that young demographic who's thirsting for direction and conviction.

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Speaker 14: The work liberal infiltrated churches by LEFTI are dying fundamentally

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Speaker 14: because the product that we offer is life, is faith,

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Speaker 14: is freedom, when we mingle with the spirit of the

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Speaker 14: age and the doctrine of the age, and the wisdom

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Speaker 14: of the age, wokeness and liberalism, you lose your message.

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Speaker 1: One thing people told me, your.

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Speaker 14: Traditional conservative Christianity will tear the next generation away from Christ.

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Speaker 14: We are actually seeing the exact opposite.

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Speaker 3: Andrew said, joh thank you for your time, Thank you,

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Speaker 3: and that's it from me. Don't go anywhere. Newsnight is

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Speaker 3: up next.