Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff, it's about bloody time. Where have you? Where
Speaker 1: have you been? Bro? Where have you been?
Speaker 2: It's been like under a rock And I'm glad to
Speaker 2: come out and talk to you again and reconnect. I
Speaker 2: missed you, my friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I missed you too, man, And I've been you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. I've been a little bit crook everyone, as
Speaker 1: you know, not life or death, just not you know,
Speaker 1: you know how boys are pathetic. So anyway, and doctor
Speaker 1: Jeff just said to me, if only you knew a
Speaker 1: doctor that you could call, And I said, we live
Speaker 1: on the other side of the world, and I don't
Speaker 1: have your number. So he just gave me his number.
Speaker 1: So I'm about to start stalking him like a fucking weirdo.
Speaker 1: So that'll be good for you. You'll rue the day. You'll
Speaker 1: rue the day where you suggested I call you. But
Speaker 1: how's how's your health? Are you good? Are you fitting? Healthy?
Speaker 2: You still still hitting the gym, Still hitting it hard
Speaker 2: every every morning, almost every morning early, hit it hard
Speaker 2: and uh pro you know, push the protein the rest
Speaker 2: of the day so I can feed those muscle fibers.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I feel really good. And knock on wood
Speaker 2: or wood fiber or whatever's in this desk, and that's why. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you have an issue, you got to call your friends,
Speaker 2: you got to call your circle. So I'm happy, happy
Speaker 2: to look over your shoulder and you know, see what's
Speaker 2: going on next time.
Speaker 1: Thanks, buddy, I'll send you all my test results. Tell
Speaker 1: you how much you know with you, how much of
Speaker 1: your personal protocol around health and wellness and energy and
Speaker 1: self maintenance for one or a better term, how much
Speaker 1: is really kind of structured, rigid process driven, and how
Speaker 1: much is a little bit loosey goosey, you know, a
Speaker 1: little bit kind of freestyle.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I like it to be very structured
Speaker 2: with not and not freaking out if I miss a
Speaker 2: day or something, because when I get on a regiment,
Speaker 2: I like to stick to it. You know, I'm disciplined,
Speaker 2: and then I have this guilt. Oh I've completely failed
Speaker 2: when you miss a day. So I'm trying to trying
Speaker 2: to trained myself into saying, you know, I'm gonna sleep
Speaker 2: an extra hour today and skip it. Yeah, we don't
Speaker 2: do that often, but every now and then I think
Speaker 2: your body's talking to you. So I'm trying not to
Speaker 2: take myself too seriously, you know. So that's sort of
Speaker 2: my New Year's resolution here for next year. I'm just
Speaker 2: getting getting a ramp up for it.
Speaker 1: It seems like the line for some people. I am
Speaker 1: one of those people, The line between kind of structure, accountability, process, discipline,
Speaker 1: self control and obsession is about two point six inches.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: For me, when I was a kid, I was this
Speaker 1: fat kid, which I think I've told you about, but
Speaker 1: I lost all this weight and then I became a
Speaker 1: fucking maniac where you know, I would weigh my arm
Speaker 1: and I would you know, I would, I wouldn't you know.
Speaker 1: And it just got to the point where now I
Speaker 1: had a whole lot of anxiety around that, and then
Speaker 1: I just it went from a healthy kind of focus
Speaker 1: to an unhealthy obsession.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I'm with you there. I love to control
Speaker 2: things in my life, right because control seems to be
Speaker 2: the fixed to anxieties, but it really isn't. It just
Speaker 2: feeds them. So I'm trying to let go more. But
Speaker 2: I love you know, the results, you know, feeling good,
Speaker 2: looking good, you know, a little soreness from a workout.
Speaker 2: Those are the rewards for it. And then you look
Speaker 2: at other people, your age, and you you want to
Speaker 2: continue that trajectory that separates those put effort in from
Speaker 2: those that don't.
Speaker 1: For me, it's a lot of it's been about trying
Speaker 1: to separate the almost like the cultural and the social
Speaker 1: and the psychological programming about oh how will craig you're
Speaker 1: sixty two soon? So with that come certain things that
Speaker 1: you should be, that you should do, that you shouldn't do,
Speaker 1: Like the psychology of aging really fascinates me. And of
Speaker 1: course we're not we're not trying to deny the inevitability
Speaker 1: of biological and chronological aging. Of course we're not pretending
Speaker 1: that we're going to be, you know, two hundred years
Speaker 1: old operating like a thirty or old. We're not. But
Speaker 1: but just I wonder how much our thinking around aging
Speaker 1: impacts our actual health.
Speaker 2: So it's a good point, you know, you know you
Speaker 2: should be here of like you're sixty sixty two now
Speaker 2: you want to be the oldest guy in the gym,
Speaker 2: not the youngest guy in the nursing home. So continue
Speaker 2: to defy the norms so that you can be that
Speaker 2: outlier when you're eighty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I also think like having for me,
Speaker 1: having a real awareness around what I do to my
Speaker 1: body and how I do it and when I do it,
Speaker 1: without trying to bring any obsessive tendencies in, which is
Speaker 1: something of an ongoing battle. But but to go, all right, well,
Speaker 1: how at my age, with my genetics, with my potential,
Speaker 1: with my resources, with my time, how should I exercise?
Speaker 1: Like for me, for my body, not for doctor Jeff,
Speaker 1: but for me. What's going to work ideally for my genetics,
Speaker 1: my injuries, my fucking all my stuff. What's nutritionally what's
Speaker 1: optimal for me? Like sleep, recovery, work, you know, balance downtime, uptime,
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out our own personal operating system
Speaker 1: in a sea of advertisements for bullshit.
Speaker 2: That's where I love the health monitoring tech, the Apple watches,
Speaker 2: the whoop bands, the garments, the or rings, whatever, whatever
Speaker 2: your favorite flavor is there, Ye, what's most popular down there?
Speaker 1: Do you think probably work gets a fair run all
Speaker 1: the Apple watches? I mean, there's been a little bit
Speaker 1: of controversy around that, as Americans say, or we say,
Speaker 1: controversy around that lately, because some of the data has
Speaker 1: been proven to be wildly inaccurate. So on some of them.
Speaker 1: And I was talking to this lady the other day
Speaker 1: who was on the show. Who was it? It'll come
Speaker 1: to me, oh, doctor, doctor Jody, who's one of our regulars,
Speaker 1: And she was talking about was it her? It doesn't
Speaker 1: matter anyway. She was talking about how no, it wasn't
Speaker 1: it was Lilian anyway. She was talking about how she
Speaker 1: got up in the morning and she'd had what she
Speaker 1: thought was a pretty good sleep. My listeners right now
Speaker 1: going Craig, you got it wrong anyway, You don't need
Speaker 1: to know, doc, But she got up this bit I'm
Speaker 1: getting right. She got up in the morning, she had
Speaker 1: what she thought was a pretty good sleep. She felt good, mentally, emotionally, physically,
Speaker 1: felt good. And then she just happened to peek at
Speaker 1: her watch, which told her that she'd had not much
Speaker 1: ram her quality of sleep with shit, and it said
Speaker 1: to her something like, you're probably going to have a
Speaker 1: bit of a grumpy day today, so batten down the
Speaker 1: hatches like something like that, and that kind of she
Speaker 1: felt good. Then all of a sudden she read something
Speaker 1: on her watch that told her, well, you shouldn't be
Speaker 1: feeling good, and it totally so, I yeah, I just
Speaker 1: think you've got to You've got to I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I love I love tracking, I love old school tracking.
Speaker 1: I love taking my heart rate with you know manually.
Speaker 1: I love writing down you know, sets and reps and
Speaker 1: volume and how I feel and what time I went
Speaker 1: to bed and what time I got up. And like
Speaker 1: back in the old days when I owned all my gyms,
Speaker 1: all of my clients had literally spiral bound diaries. So
Speaker 1: this is before trackers, and I would say, everything that's
Speaker 1: going to impact how you look, feel, function, write it
Speaker 1: in here, and that what time you go to bed,
Speaker 1: what time you get up, how much tea, how much coffee,
Speaker 1: what drugs, what supplements, medicine? It sets, reps, volume, intensity,
Speaker 1: and I know it's going to take you fifteen minutes day.
Speaker 1: It's a bit of a pain in the ass. But
Speaker 1: that apart from you know that my client could turn
Speaker 1: up and go, Craig, here's three days of information. That's
Speaker 1: amazing for me as a coach or a trainer. But secondly,
Speaker 1: it's an incredible exercise in self awareness and self understanding
Speaker 1: where you do all these things to your body and
Speaker 1: then your body tells you, and then you've got all
Speaker 1: this information you can read and you're producing all these
Speaker 1: results and you can even without being particularly you know,
Speaker 1: trained or clinical, you can still kind of figure out
Speaker 1: what works for you.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely, I think that's the way to do it,
Speaker 2: because there are patterns and metrics that we cannot see
Speaker 2: or feel unless they're shown to us in the data. Yes,
Speaker 2: and sometimes, oh, that makes so much sense now that
Speaker 2: I see it, right, that self awareness you were talking
Speaker 2: about earlier. Sometimes sometimes you need to be shown the mirror,
Speaker 2: and this is the mirror. So the scale, the body factor, position,
Speaker 2: the heart rate variability, the resting heart rate, the blood pressure.
Speaker 2: All these these are basic metrics and a lot of
Speaker 2: them you can do from a device that you wear
Speaker 2: without much trouble.
Speaker 1: Is one of the one of the mistakes that people
Speaker 1: make with this kind of an equals one. I'm going
Speaker 1: to try to figure out my own protocol, you know,
Speaker 1: in an intelligent way, with the support of people like you,
Speaker 1: you know, and while tapping into quality advice. But is
Speaker 1: that people instead of saying, well, this is what I'm
Speaker 1: currently doing, let me just change this variable and see
Speaker 1: what happens. Instead of doing that, they change eight things
Speaker 1: at once, and then they don't know what the fuck
Speaker 1: is working and what's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that's obviously difficult, right. You have to
Speaker 2: either change one variable or have a very complex method
Speaker 2: of changing them more then changing them differently than changing
Speaker 2: them again, using AI to play with that mouth and
Speaker 2: figure out what's actually the difference maker. That's complex multivariate
Speaker 2: multi variable analysis you're talking about mouth I never accomplished.
Speaker 2: So it's doable. It's doable.
Speaker 1: The hardest part of my whole PhD is stats. You
Speaker 1: know that. It's like, I'm doing psychology. Why do I
Speaker 1: need to know all this? What's the hardest part for
Speaker 1: you as a doctor. I don't know if that's the
Speaker 1: correct term hardest part, but maybe the most challenging component
Speaker 1: of getting people to comply with you know, what you
Speaker 1: want them to do. You know that the prescription, whether
Speaker 1: or not that's literally a medical prescription or a behavioral
Speaker 1: or lifestyle or nutritional what's the hardest thing or the
Speaker 1: biggest challenge for you seeing people, you know, not get
Speaker 1: results because they just simply won't do what they need
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: That's that's very common. You know, most of my career
Speaker 2: is treating neck and back pain, and there are certain
Speaker 2: exercises and therapies and yogas and whatever that that will
Speaker 2: make a big difference and keep you out of invasive treatments.
Speaker 2: But uh, many people just don't have the mindset or
Speaker 2: the motivation or whatever it takes to do it. You know,
Speaker 2: they're not they go to physical therapy, it's very passive.
Speaker 2: They're not. You have to do the active component, you
Speaker 2: have to activate the muscles, and they're just not doing it.
Speaker 2: So that's that's frustrating. And there's no amount of talking
Speaker 2: or education I can give them, because I've tried, you know,
Speaker 2: to convince them. If you know, you can, you can
Speaker 2: lead a horse to water. Do you guys have that saying?
Speaker 2: Do you have horses down there?
Speaker 1: Of course, of course we have three horses.
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, So the you know, they they just there
Speaker 2: are people that just won't do it. And there are
Speaker 2: a lot of you know, especially a younger generation, very passive,
Speaker 2: very well, just take care of it for me, you know,
Speaker 2: they opt for surgeries, and then I see them, you know,
Speaker 2: as a second opinion, after surgery hasn't helped them. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't have done that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, you know, because we have
Speaker 1: a propensity to wait till things are really broken. Sometimes
Speaker 1: before well that's all right, I'm okay, yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I know it's going to be an issue, but it's
Speaker 1: not an issue now, So we it's that reactive, not proactive,
Speaker 1: and I think, I think on a really fundamental level too.
Speaker 1: I apologize to my listeners because this is such a
Speaker 1: fucking repetitious message on this show, but the bottom line
Speaker 1: is that sometimes the things that we need to do
Speaker 1: to create breakthrough and change and improvement are just hard
Speaker 1: and uncomfortable and boring, and we don't like any of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's true. We'd like to be constantly entertained
Speaker 2: scrolling on the phones whatever it is, you know, learning
Speaker 2: learning to be lonely, or to sit with yourself in
Speaker 2: silence and turn your brain on and off, meditate. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: self self soothing. That's that's uh, that's not a thing
Speaker 2: that kids have to adapt around any more like they're
Speaker 2: used to, you know. Rather being a child, you know,
Speaker 2: there was times where you're just waiting for something or
Speaker 2: bored or whatever. Was sitting with your parents somewhere and
Speaker 2: you're just waiting for the doctors or whatever, and just
Speaker 2: there was nothing to do. You know, there was no
Speaker 2: phone to scroll on. Or whatever. You know, you just
Speaker 2: you learned to, you know, look inward and speak to
Speaker 2: yourself and soothe yourself. That's a lot of that's lost
Speaker 2: in today's world, and I think that's an issue.
Speaker 1: Do you see a lot of people who, you know,
Speaker 1: their overuse of tech. And I've spoken about this myself
Speaker 1: because my life ironically the dinosaur whose life is quite
Speaker 1: tech dependent. You know, even all of these shows. By
Speaker 1: the way, do you know today is episode two thousand
Speaker 1: and one.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's like a space Odyssey over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand and one to yep, Space Odyssey and
Speaker 1: you're my co pilot. Thank you. You've got to mention
Speaker 1: an episode two thousand which is up today, which is
Speaker 1: in Australia Wednesday. But I like that that balance. Sure.
Speaker 2: One question, if this is a space Odyssey, would you
Speaker 2: please open the pod bay door?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, sure, Okay, I see.
Speaker 2: What hopefully your listeners will get that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I see what you did there. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a huddle of a jo it's a hell of
Speaker 2: a joke.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you and your humor, how do we navigate that?
Speaker 1: Because we're not going to have a world without tech,
Speaker 1: and neither do we want it, and you and I
Speaker 1: need it. We need it right now, we need is there?
Speaker 1: I know there's no three step, but like a how
Speaker 1: do you advise people if you do on that balance
Speaker 1: between using it when you need it not turning your
Speaker 1: brain into cerebral mush because you're staring at a screen
Speaker 1: twenty hours a day. And like, I think a lot
Speaker 1: about because my brain is basically that's my tool, that's
Speaker 1: my work tool. Like that's I need my brain to
Speaker 1: be somewhere close to optimal, whatever my optimal is, so
Speaker 1: that I can do what I'm doing Now. I can focus,
Speaker 1: I can study, I can present the crowd so I
Speaker 1: can have good recall, I can all that important kind
Speaker 1: of brain stuff. And so the thing I almost I
Speaker 1: get more scared of cognitive decline than physical decline. I'm
Speaker 1: scared of both, but I'm more scared of my brain
Speaker 1: declining because my job is dependent on it. What are
Speaker 1: your thoughts around how do we use tech without turning
Speaker 1: ourselves into fucking mindless cyborgs?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean most of my patients, we're trying to
Speaker 2: get them to use health tech so I can help
Speaker 2: them help themselves. I have a few patients, so it's
Speaker 2: the opposite. But I have a few patients that have
Speaker 2: this paralysis by analysis. Right, They've got you know, lab
Speaker 2: tests every month that they've achieved, and it's you know,
Speaker 2: hundreds of markers, and you know, they've got their their
Speaker 2: whoop on one hand, the Apple Watch on the other hand,
Speaker 2: and and they bring it in their sleep app data
Speaker 2: and so it's too much, you know. So they've got
Speaker 2: some new I'm going to call it tech superimposed on tech.
Speaker 2: They've got these aggregators where you the data uploads to
Speaker 2: this aggregator and it sort of organizes it. It's like
Speaker 2: an AI I guess and organizes it and tracks it.
Speaker 2: So you don't have people come to me with all
Speaker 2: kinds of different reports and stuff. And what I need
Speaker 2: is a dashboard for them. Yeah, right, So what I
Speaker 2: think I think that the data is it's okay to
Speaker 2: have lots of lots of crazy data. What we need
Speaker 2: is a hey, chill down, calm down, let's organize it
Speaker 2: in a way we can all use it so we're
Speaker 2: not all, you know, anxious about all these data points.
Speaker 2: Because the beauty of AI is you can have missing
Speaker 2: data points and still have robust analysis analyses.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to talk to you about this
Speaker 1: thing you probably don't know much about, but you've heard
Speaker 1: about it. It's called regenerative medicine.
Speaker 2: Tell me more.
Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean it's a thing. People are doing it.
Speaker 1: You know, it's new, it's fancy. It's not new, it's
Speaker 1: not fancy. Can you explain to well, it's going to
Speaker 1: say people and me, what are the what's the core
Speaker 1: idea at the heart of regenerative medicine, Like, what's the
Speaker 1: kind of the underlying principle or philosophy of regenerative medicine
Speaker 1: versus for one of a better term, traditional medicine or
Speaker 1: Western medicine.
Speaker 2: At its core, our bodies are programmed to heal and repair.
Speaker 2: They lose the strength of that repair and restorative ability
Speaker 2: with age and with inflammation, and regenerative medicine seeks to
Speaker 2: tap back into that youthful healing biology with by either
Speaker 2: borrowing that sells signal from a more youthful source or
Speaker 2: somehow amplifying the source internally so it can heal, you
Speaker 2: can heal something or help reduce inflammation and effect on
Speaker 2: a like a younger person, even if it's temporary.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So explain to me and our listeners because I
Speaker 1: want to come back to what you were just done.
Speaker 1: But so biohacking, which is kind of a bro science term,
Speaker 1: that's becoming Am I right in saying it's becoming more
Speaker 1: accepted and more mainstream?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1: This weird, weird cousin outlier, is it anymore?
Speaker 2: No, not anymore. It was at the beginning. I agree
Speaker 2: with you, it was this you know cultish, you do
Speaker 2: what you know. And I can tell you because I
Speaker 2: participate in a lot of in person events here in
Speaker 2: the States in the biohacking realm, and it used to
Speaker 2: be there was one sort of conference here. Now there
Speaker 2: is a conference, one or two conferences or events monthly
Speaker 2: at a national level, and many more smaller ones even
Speaker 2: at a more regional or local level. It is a
Speaker 2: movement that has certainly taken root and has traction.
Speaker 1: And what in the last I don't know, five to
Speaker 1: ten years, has kind of beginning to flourish and beginning
Speaker 1: to open doors and it's stepping out of the weed
Speaker 1: space into the oh, this is actually a thing. This
Speaker 1: is where we're saying. You know, lots of people try
Speaker 1: these want to bed term alternate approaches or therapies or
Speaker 1: you know, what's what's kind of what's taking off?
Speaker 2: Well, m but gone, no, I got I got you.
Speaker 2: I think regenerative medicine would be one element. I mean
Speaker 2: that certainly overlaps with biohacking significantly. Number two, and probably
Speaker 2: the more recent one is peptides. I mean that they
Speaker 2: are growing like crazy. It's hard to keep them in
Speaker 2: stock these various suppliers, and you know, my patients are
Speaker 2: asking about it. I think I mentioned this when we
Speaker 2: were on a broadcast previously. I'm at the gym, I'm
Speaker 2: sitting in the sauna and there are a lot of young,
Speaker 2: you know, young guys in there. In there, they're all
Speaker 2: talking about peptides. Yeah. Right, you know, they all seem
Speaker 2: to know a lot. So it's whether they're on Reddit
Speaker 2: or wherever they're they're getting this information, it's they seem
Speaker 2: to know what they're talking about. So what peptides are
Speaker 2: game changers in many ways, and we stack them with
Speaker 2: with the regenitives now too. So most of my patients
Speaker 2: doing joint spine procedures, we're talking about doing a wolverine
Speaker 2: protocol or something with that.
Speaker 1: The wolverine protocol, that's the best marketing. Ever, get me
Speaker 1: on that. From a research and a science point of view,
Speaker 1: it seems that And I'm not disagreeing with you because
Speaker 1: a bunch of my friends use peptides, and I've used
Speaker 1: a few peptides. I don't use anything at the moment,
Speaker 1: but I used CJC twelve ninety five. I think it
Speaker 1: was IOD nine six four. I think there's one that
Speaker 1: seems to be like catching fire, but it's illegal in
Speaker 1: Australia or it's only under certain whatever bp C one
Speaker 1: five seven is that?
Speaker 2: Is that?
Speaker 1: Now? That's the one that that Gary Brecker. I'm sure
Speaker 1: you know who Gary Breker is.
Speaker 2: I know Gary, Sure, he seems to champion that. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: well that's that's sort of, you know, a very basic peptide.
Speaker 2: The BPC is body protection compound one five seven and
Speaker 2: three from muscular, skeletal and gut issues and we have
Speaker 2: great success with that. It's part of it's part of
Speaker 2: the wolverine. You know. Yes, so that's a legal way.
Speaker 2: Why what do you you?
Speaker 1: I don't know, you can't it's in Australia, you you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a very interesting landscape from a medical
Speaker 1: and a pharmaceutical point of view, what what people can
Speaker 1: you know? Like over here, if you are a you know,
Speaker 1: a sixty or sixty five or fifty year old dude
Speaker 1: and you're your testosteroneers through the floor and we're not
Speaker 1: talking about bodybuilding anyone. We're not talking about massive muscles.
Speaker 1: We're just talking about a normal hormone or the dominant
Speaker 1: male hormone. And you feel shit and you've got no
Speaker 1: sex drive, and you've got no energy, and you're a
Speaker 1: bit sad and you're depressed, and everything else is relatively okay,
Speaker 1: but your testosterone is through the floor. It's almost impossible
Speaker 1: to get prescribed in Australia. Yeah, so it's just I
Speaker 1: feel like it's five ten fifty, probably ten fifteen, twenty
Speaker 1: years behind the States in terms of but the moment
Speaker 1: over here, you mentioned something like TRT, you know, testosterone
Speaker 1: replacement therapy in a clinical application like we're talking about now.
Speaker 1: Because we're such an ignorant population, we're going, oh, you're
Speaker 1: going on steroids, and it's like, oh my god. So
Speaker 1: it's just got it's almost a branding problem or a
Speaker 1: marketing problem or a you know, people don't really understand
Speaker 1: like that, And I definitely don't understand anything that you do,
Speaker 1: but the physiological and the endochronological realities of you know,
Speaker 1: what can work and what is problematic, you know, and
Speaker 1: not just compounds but doses, you know, dosages, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a little bit nine ninety five over here.
Speaker 2: Well, listen for those listeners in your neck of the words.
Speaker 2: If you want to age at the rate you're aging,
Speaker 2: don't take testars from replacement. Gentlemen. If you want to
Speaker 2: age slower, maintain your muscle mass, have the energy and motivation,
Speaker 2: drive and mindset of a younger man. Take testas from
Speaker 2: replacement anywhere you can get it. If you have to
Speaker 2: leave Australia to go get get pellettes put in every
Speaker 2: four or five months, that might be the way to
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: Tell me about that. So they inject a pellette and
Speaker 1: what is that a time release slow release, but.
Speaker 2: A few of them it's just a little nick usually
Speaker 2: in the side of the hip, superficial. They just inject
Speaker 2: some some numbing agent and then slide these things in
Speaker 2: there and then put a sticker, you know, a tape
Speaker 2: on it heels up and they dissolve over four or
Speaker 2: five six months, depending on the on the nature of them,
Speaker 2: and you get a slow like you said, a slow
Speaker 2: time release of the hormone. Uh, and that that could
Speaker 2: be a solution because there's probably somewhere not far from you.
Speaker 2: Uh you have to cross water to get there, I'm sure,
Speaker 2: but where you can get this right.
Speaker 1: So it looks like I'm kind of vigas everyone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, come to Vegas. We we have people that do it.
Speaker 2: But that that is a is a simple way I
Speaker 2: prefer doing for myself. I do an injection once a week. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's myself. It's just easy. A lot of people do that.
Speaker 2: They now have an oral form. I'm not super versed
Speaker 2: in it, and it's hard to measure the response in
Speaker 2: the labs. You have to do it strategically. But that's
Speaker 2: out there. But and they have a cream you can use.
Speaker 2: I personally don't absorbent, so I did that for a while.
Speaker 2: Now I'm doing the injections.
Speaker 1: Mm hm wow. And what is that like one hundred
Speaker 1: milligrams a week or something in that ballpark.
Speaker 2: I don't have it in front of me, but it is.
Speaker 2: It might be about about right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow. It's so it's so funny to watch
Speaker 1: not only medicine, but health care in general, and nutrition
Speaker 1: and even you know, exercise and all of these variables
Speaker 1: that impact how a person operates and functions and ages.
Speaker 1: To see that the changes in thinking over the year,
Speaker 1: and that well, in some cases, in some countries, the
Speaker 1: lack of change. But I see that. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is in your wheelhouse, but it was just interesting.
Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump came out, amongst all the myriad
Speaker 1: of things he's signed, he's talking about a link between
Speaker 1: paracetamol and autism. Did you hear that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: What what are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: I haven't looked at the basic science behind it, but
Speaker 2: I don't think you would see Robert F. Kennedy Junior
Speaker 2: and mister President Trump, you know, saying what they're saying,
Speaker 2: Uh if if if there wasn't some evidence showing the
Speaker 2: potential Lenk link between autism and uh you know, we
Speaker 2: call it acetam inafin you called a paracetamol uh during pregnancy,
Speaker 2: so you know, we we it's not natural, right, it's
Speaker 2: it's not a naturally occurring substance. So anything, we need
Speaker 2: to reduce these links because the costs of society for
Speaker 2: this huge number of people here in the States with
Speaker 2: artism spectral disorders is a big issue.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's Do you think there are that
Speaker 1: many more people like there's such a there's way more
Speaker 1: people with autism or you know, expressing or demonstrating different
Speaker 1: I guess symptoms for one a better terms on the spectrum.
Speaker 1: Or is it just that we've got more testing, more
Speaker 1: awareness and it's for one of better terms, easier to
Speaker 1: get diagnosed or more likely to be diagnosed because we're
Speaker 1: just everybody's being tested.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean all children are observed during their upbringing,
Speaker 2: even if they're not tested. Yea. Even even when we
Speaker 2: were younger, Craig, you know that there were those children
Speaker 2: that misbehaved or couldn't you know, maintain their attention. There
Speaker 2: are so very few, at least in my experience. So
Speaker 2: I think there is actually a shift and increase in
Speaker 2: the epidemiologic numbers of these patients. So so I don't
Speaker 2: think it's just an observation or a testing bias. I
Speaker 2: think it's an actual actual statistical move. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And do you think not not what's the cause, but
Speaker 1: what do you think is some of the you know,
Speaker 1: potential correlates or factors that might so, you know, lifestyle
Speaker 1: and additives and preservatives and all of those, all of
Speaker 1: those unnatural things that we're shoving into bodies.
Speaker 2: I do. I think I think a lot of it's
Speaker 2: in the diet. And I think, you know, there's a
Speaker 2: really really good, compelling evidence looking at some of the vaccines.
Speaker 2: Too many vaccines now, you know, when we were a kid,
Speaker 2: just a few, right, and now it's many, so, you know,
Speaker 2: too much monkeying with our genome with that too much.
Speaker 2: So you know, we might find there are multiple reasons
Speaker 2: for that. So it's it's not entirely clear yet. But
Speaker 2: just like if you had if you had some issues
Speaker 2: and your docor said, you know, we're going to try
Speaker 2: an elimination diet on you. We're going to take away
Speaker 2: most things dairy, gluten, you know, and we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna see if you feel better. Then we'll slowly add
Speaker 2: one back at a time to see what causes it.
Speaker 2: That's kind of what we're doing here. We're just saying, Okay,
Speaker 2: what are all the things that may be causing it.
Speaker 2: Let's take some of those back and then we can
Speaker 2: see if we need to add them back one at
Speaker 2: a time to the to society to see what the
Speaker 2: issue is. You know, there's a problem. I mean it's
Speaker 2: it's evident there's an issue, something's going on.
Speaker 1: And is there a common theme with your patients, like
Speaker 1: what's the what's at the top of the list in
Speaker 1: terms of reasons why people knock on your door.
Speaker 2: Well, because my background is in spine and muscular skeletal
Speaker 2: structural parts. My super niche is you know, cartilage regeneration,
Speaker 2: joint and spine treatment with regeneritive medicine injections to help
Speaker 2: people prevent the need for joint replacement surgeries.
Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, And so uh is it pay pay? Plate
Speaker 1: rich plight let rich plasm is in that wheel excuse
Speaker 1: my ignorance, not my spice obviously, but that's in that wheelhouse.
Speaker 2: Yeah. That would be sort of the low end entry
Speaker 2: level approach. The next level would be the stem cell
Speaker 2: or stem cell drive exosome cell signaling approach. That's where
Speaker 2: we are. So I don't dabble in the platelet rich
Speaker 2: plasma because it's so many you know, you can get
Speaker 2: that anywhere here in the States, and it you know,
Speaker 2: it may help. If it helps, you don't need me, great,
Speaker 2: If it doesn't work, then come see me. We'll take
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: Notch and what's what's taking it up? And notch, what's
Speaker 1: on that?
Speaker 2: Like what's on that stem cell? Stem cells and their
Speaker 2: exisomes are much more powerful and sell signaling than play
Speaker 2: the rich plasma. Play the rich plasma, especially if you're
Speaker 2: my age, you know, pushing sixty or your age, you know,
Speaker 2: pushing sixty two, That our plasma that you know are
Speaker 2: unless you have super super clean plasma. It's not it's
Speaker 2: not that young stuff. You want that young stuff?
Speaker 1: Yeah, where do I get me some of that young stuff?
Speaker 1: That's what I want. That's what I want. And so
Speaker 1: broadly speaking, is it seems like integrated medicine in this
Speaker 1: more kind of a regenerative medicine, I should say, is
Speaker 1: becoming like a lot more accepted, not not just medically,
Speaker 1: but culturally and socially. It's not you're not weird anymore.
Speaker 1: If you're doing that, you're not the outlier so much anymore.
Speaker 2: If I went to uh went back to the old
Speaker 2: neurosurgery conferences, I would be the outlier. But when I
Speaker 2: go to the regenerate of medicine, biohacking, health span conferences.
Speaker 2: I am the mainstream, so it just depends on your circle.
Speaker 2: The Uh it's except that people are seeking it more
Speaker 2: and more. It's it's in the airwaves, you know, celebrities
Speaker 2: doing it. It's in media. Joe Rogan, who you know
Speaker 2: also has a podcast almost as good as yours, speaks
Speaker 2: to it. Mel Gibson has done it, you know, he's
Speaker 2: looking to it a lot others. I guess the Kardashians
Speaker 2: did something. So that's if it's good enough for the Kardashians,
Speaker 2: it's good enough for everybody, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Ruggan's constantly pumping it. There's a guy, there's
Speaker 1: a place that he goes to. He also goes to
Speaker 1: down to Mexico to get stuffed done.
Speaker 2: There. He promotes a place in Tijuana.
Speaker 1: Wise to well.
Speaker 2: It's called cp I, it's called CPR. But but because
Speaker 2: he's he's close with Dana White. Dana White, yeah, uh yeah,
Speaker 2: Gary treated Dana of course and then and this is
Speaker 2: all public, so we're not breaking any place yet. Uh.
Speaker 2: Dana Dana's fighters, Uh yes, sometimes on Joe Rogan show,
Speaker 2: and they have a connection, so they send the fighters
Speaker 2: down to that place in Tijuana. But have you You've
Speaker 2: probably never been to Tijuana, but let me just say it's, uh,
Speaker 2: it's an interesting place. Yeah I have, I haven't been
Speaker 2: there in many years. It would be not it would
Speaker 2: be not necessarily the safest place to go. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of you know, it was one of
Speaker 2: the major uh you know, drug distribution points. You you've
Speaker 2: got Netflix down there. You've seen these show Narcos and narcos. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so the Plaza, I mean it's right down there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very well. The UFC is massive and Dana
Speaker 1: White like not so much with my female listeners, some
Speaker 1: of them, but yeah, the UFC you know, is on
Speaker 1: a part in Australia in terms of like obviously we
Speaker 1: don't have the same population, but there's quite a lot
Speaker 1: of Ozzie UFC fighters and you know, I know a
Speaker 1: lot of bullheads and meatheads and fighters and trainers and
Speaker 1: coaches and yeah, they love the UFC and they loved
Speaker 1: Dana and it's like, although he's a character, but I
Speaker 1: think he well I don't think. I know, he came
Speaker 1: out not too long ago and he said I will
Speaker 1: never go to a medical doctor ever again unless it's
Speaker 1: some kind of you know, but in terms of just
Speaker 1: his normal health. Because and again this is just what
Speaker 1: he said. And by the way, I went to a
Speaker 1: doctor about a week ago, and the week before that
Speaker 1: medical doctors, so I'm not canning doctors. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: said he's never ever felt better, function better, His brain's
Speaker 1: never worked better, his body has never worked better. On
Speaker 1: the protocol that he and Gary Brecker and I'm sure
Speaker 1: a few others kind of developed him. But if looks
Speaker 1: or anything to go by, he literally looks ten years
Speaker 1: younger than he did a couple of years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, he's he's certainly a poster child for
Speaker 2: health and wellness, you know, naturally and doing the right stuff.
Speaker 2: But he did the work. You can't just be told
Speaker 2: the work. You have to do the work.
Speaker 1: So yeah, one hundred percent. And I think, like I
Speaker 1: saw him to a walk through his office and he's
Speaker 1: got all this state of the art, you know, plunge
Speaker 1: pools and saunas and training equipment and you know, like
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like a bloody Olympic compound.
Speaker 2: They're right up the street here, They're literally fifteen minute
Speaker 2: drive from where I'm speaking to you now. We drive
Speaker 2: right by it all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm so conflicted about that sport because I love the
Speaker 1: I love the athleticism and the skill and the power
Speaker 1: and you know, everything of course, except the brain damage.
Speaker 1: It's like, I just I'm like, if only there was
Speaker 1: if only that sport could exist without TBI, you know,
Speaker 1: if only we could have that where guys and women
Speaker 1: are not kicking, elbowing and punching each other in the head.
Speaker 1: Except for that, it's the ideal sport. But that's kind
Speaker 1: of I really can't, as you know, as a health professional,
Speaker 1: I can't get over it. But I will say it's
Speaker 1: my guilty pleasure watching them punch the fuck out of
Speaker 1: each other and the octagon do you ever go, I've
Speaker 1: never been.
Speaker 2: People have invited us because we're here in town, and
Speaker 2: we're just it's just not it's not on my it's
Speaker 2: not my appetite. Necessarily. Speaking of TBI, we have some
Speaker 2: interesting results now. We're treating some football players by football
Speaker 2: and American Football are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that we put.
Speaker 2: These stem cell derived exosomes in an easle spray and
Speaker 2: without some really cool results because at the back of
Speaker 2: the sinuses get right up to the brain, so and
Speaker 2: they will travel the exosomes will travel across that blood
Speaker 2: brain barrier pretty nicely.
Speaker 1: It's amazing what they're the doors that they're opening now
Speaker 1: with cognitive stuff. And I know this is very low level,
Speaker 1: but I've got two things. One is, you know that creatine.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you think anything of that, but
Speaker 1: there's quite a lot of research now saying that high
Speaker 1: dose creatine correlates with cognitive improvement. And you know, like
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty grams, not three to five grams, fifteen. I've
Speaker 1: been doing that for six months. I've been doing probably, yeah,
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty grams a day, and definitely you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's a placebo or not, I don't think it is,
Speaker 1: because I don't think my expectations were high. But for me,
Speaker 1: my yeah, my cognitive performance is definitely better than it
Speaker 1: was a year ago, which is nice. You know, there's
Speaker 1: a few other things when you sleep better and all that.
Speaker 1: Of course. The other thing I spoke to a guy, well, firstly,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on creds And I think we've
Speaker 1: spoken on it.
Speaker 2: We have a big fan. I take it myself daily.
Speaker 2: I haven't pushed it to twenty grams yet, but I
Speaker 2: don't have a problem doing that. It doesn't taste great,
Speaker 2: so you got to spread it out throughout the day.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. We have a guy called doctor Bill
Speaker 1: Sullivan who is from Indiana. I forget the name of
Speaker 1: the uni, but Indiana State University. He's the head of
Speaker 1: biomedical science or something. He's a genius. And we're talking
Speaker 1: the other day about lithium being lithium and the brain
Speaker 1: and like, wow, I mean I still don't get it.
Speaker 1: But he took me on a little me and the
Speaker 1: listeners on a little bit of a ride. How that
Speaker 1: might be Maybe that might be something super promising moving forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just read something on that. So you know,
Speaker 2: lithium is a long standing treatment for bipolar disorder. Yes,
Speaker 2: but it's interesting that we have evolved on this planet
Speaker 2: where there are certain phyto nutrients, plants, and certain minerals
Speaker 2: like lithium. Right, it comes from rocks, so yes, so
Speaker 2: you know, and and our bodies processes do well with
Speaker 2: these things because we grew up around them, not grew up,
Speaker 2: but you know, organismally grew up. So I'm very interested
Speaker 2: in stuff like that. The you know, what's what's the
Speaker 2: basis of why do we need magnesium and sodium and
Speaker 2: all these all these you know, you know elements in us.
Speaker 2: It's because they're they're part of our makeup and we
Speaker 2: need them.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So it feels like, yeah, so it'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens. It feels like every ten
Speaker 1: minutes there's another breakthrough that's going to change humanity. And
Speaker 1: you know, it's like since since I first started working
Speaker 1: in gyms and started being a young dodgy bodybuilder in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, like oh, desiccated liver. Oh, there was
Speaker 1: all this shit you wouldn't have even heard of. There
Speaker 1: was a supplement I took called frack. I don't know
Speaker 1: even what it was. There's another thing called gamma oars
Speaker 1: and all like, there were all of that. And this
Speaker 1: was just probably late eighties, when all of the individual
Speaker 1: kind of amino acids you could get argentine and ornathene
Speaker 1: and lycene and carntine l carnateine and you could get
Speaker 1: them all individually and they tasted like shit. It was
Speaker 1: just this white powder. Oh my god, you know, and
Speaker 1: everything that you could get legally I would take and
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it did nothing. You know, I was
Speaker 1: just nineteen twenty, I probably didn't need anything except food.
Speaker 2: Well it probably did help you, you know, build muscle,
Speaker 2: and yeah, especially the branch the lasians, the branch chains. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, we still need those. I think we probably
Speaker 2: need them more than ever now in our sixties than
Speaker 2: we did then. You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And by
Speaker 2: the way, that we're back to these organ meats and
Speaker 2: desiccated livers and things again, and they're very rich and
Speaker 2: many of the things we need. So we see that
Speaker 2: that's one of the that's that's making a resurgence.
Speaker 1: Hey, I've got a medical question. I need some I
Speaker 1: need a consult, So start your clock.
Speaker 2: I can fit you in next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Now hit me in now. Hey, so I started taking
Speaker 1: hang on, it's in front of me doxy cycling, so
Speaker 1: for my infection in my face. So I'm day fourteen. Now,
Speaker 1: oh this is good. I'm glad you're here. So doxy
Speaker 1: cycling one hundred milligrams a day. Today is day fourteen,
Speaker 1: and I've got another week if I need it, right, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So that's part one. Part two is when I went
Speaker 1: to get the script at the pharmacy or chemist what
Speaker 1: do you call it in the States. Pharmacy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pharmacy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So at the pharmacy got the script and the lady
Speaker 1: who was great, said, you know, do you take a probiotic?
Speaker 1: And I said, sure, don't and she said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I would think about that, and I went, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: actually not the worst idea. How does that work? And
Speaker 1: if I take a probiotic, is the antibiotic going to
Speaker 1: fuck up the probiotic? And she's like, that's also a
Speaker 1: good question, she said, so you maybe want to take
Speaker 1: it at the opposite ends of the day, like eight
Speaker 1: am and eight pm or something like that. So before
Speaker 1: I ask you another question, what are your thoughts on.
Speaker 2: Just that before you mentioned probiotic that was already on
Speaker 2: my mind. On a course of antibiotics, it does kill
Speaker 2: the bacteria that's causing your infection, but it also was
Speaker 2: killing the bacteria and you need to you know, digest
Speaker 2: your food and help you with other things. So so yeah,
Speaker 2: I agree, you should be on a good probiotic, you know,
Speaker 2: twice a day on like she said, opposing the doses,
Speaker 2: and also probably for at least a few weeks. When
Speaker 2: you stop the antibiotics to repopulate your gut, you can
Speaker 2: also eat fermented foods. Yeah, and that that's another good
Speaker 2: way to help get that going again. But a great
Speaker 2: I do a probiotic as a routine. Yeah, I'm a fan.
Speaker 2: Two thumbs ups for the probiotics.
Speaker 1: So, like, I honestly feel and I don't know because
Speaker 1: I'm taking different things now, but I feel so much better.
Speaker 1: I think I feel twenty percent better since I started
Speaker 1: the probiotics, which was only like four days ago. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's a place bow and maybe it's real, don't know,
Speaker 1: but I feel good anyway, I feel good right the
Speaker 1: one that I'm taking. I don't even know what this means.
Speaker 1: It's like triple strength ninety six billion cfu. Yep, do
Speaker 1: you know what that means? Does that mean anything?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that's a good number. See if you as
Speaker 2: colony forming units, oh wow, probably means at least if
Speaker 2: you drop that in a future, dissu'd form ninety little
Speaker 2: dollops of bacterial growth. Wowty billions?
Speaker 1: So do you Is it your advice to me, and
Speaker 1: this is not advice to anyone else audience, but to me,
Speaker 1: that I should maybe do one of these ongoing like
Speaker 1: I would.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unless unless you're like, you know, when when you're
Speaker 2: a kid and you're playing outside and you're getting your
Speaker 2: hands dirty and touching yourself and getting dirt everywhere, and
Speaker 2: you know, you get soil in your mouth or whatever
Speaker 2: you're you're probably getting probiotics. If you if you drink
Speaker 2: raw milk, like raw your eyes, raw milk, you're probably
Speaker 2: getting probiotics. So so there there are people that probably
Speaker 2: don't need them, but most of us, you know, we're indoors.
Speaker 2: We're just not out there getting dirty enough, so we
Speaker 2: need it. I would do it ongoing.
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