WEBVTT - #2001 It's Not Just Bro-Science - Dr. Jeff Gross

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor Jeff, it's about bloody time. Where have you? Where

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<v Speaker 1>have you been? Bro? Where have you been?

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<v Speaker 2>It's been like under a rock And I'm glad to

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<v Speaker 2>come out and talk to you again and reconnect. I

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<v Speaker 2>missed you, my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I missed you too, man, And I've been you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's funny. I've been a little bit crook everyone, as

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<v Speaker 1>you know, not life or death, just not you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you know how boys are pathetic. So anyway, and doctor

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<v Speaker 1>Jeff just said to me, if only you knew a

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<v Speaker 1>doctor that you could call, And I said, we live

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<v Speaker 1>on the other side of the world, and I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have your number. So he just gave me his number.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm about to start stalking him like a fucking weirdo.

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<v Speaker 1>So that'll be good for you. You'll rue the day. You'll

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<v Speaker 1>rue the day where you suggested I call you. But

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<v Speaker 1>how's how's your health? Are you good? Are you fitting? Healthy?

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<v Speaker 2>You still still hitting the gym, Still hitting it hard

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<v Speaker 2>every every morning, almost every morning early, hit it hard

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<v Speaker 2>and uh pro you know, push the protein the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the day so I can feed those muscle fibers.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I feel really good. And knock on wood

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<v Speaker 2>or wood fiber or whatever's in this desk, and that's why. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if you have an issue, you got to call your friends,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to call your circle. So I'm happy, happy

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<v Speaker 2>to look over your shoulder and you know, see what's

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<v Speaker 2>going on next time.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks, buddy, I'll send you all my test results. Tell

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<v Speaker 1>you how much you know with you, how much of

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<v Speaker 1>your personal protocol around health and wellness and energy and

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<v Speaker 1>self maintenance for one or a better term, how much

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<v Speaker 1>is really kind of structured, rigid process driven, and how

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<v Speaker 1>much is a little bit loosey goosey, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit kind of freestyle.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say I like it to be very structured

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<v Speaker 2>with not and not freaking out if I miss a

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<v Speaker 2>day or something, because when I get on a regiment,

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<v Speaker 2>I like to stick to it. You know, I'm disciplined,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I have this guilt. Oh I've completely failed

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<v Speaker 2>when you miss a day. So I'm trying to trying

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<v Speaker 2>to trained myself into saying, you know, I'm gonna sleep

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<v Speaker 2>an extra hour today and skip it. Yeah, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>do that often, but every now and then I think

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<v Speaker 2>your body's talking to you. So I'm trying not to

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<v Speaker 2>take myself too seriously, you know. So that's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>my New Year's resolution here for next year. I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>getting getting a ramp up for it.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like the line for some people. I am

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<v Speaker 1>one of those people, The line between kind of structure, accountability, process, discipline,

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<v Speaker 1>self control and obsession is about two point six inches.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, when I was a kid, I was this

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<v Speaker 1>fat kid, which I think I've told you about, but

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<v Speaker 1>I lost all this weight and then I became a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking maniac where you know, I would weigh my arm

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<v Speaker 1>and I would you know, I would, I wouldn't you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And it just got to the point where now I

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<v Speaker 1>had a whole lot of anxiety around that, and then

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<v Speaker 1>I just it went from a healthy kind of focus

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<v Speaker 1>to an unhealthy obsession.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, listen, I'm with you there. I love to control

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<v Speaker 2>things in my life, right because control seems to be

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<v Speaker 2>the fixed to anxieties, but it really isn't. It just

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<v Speaker 2>feeds them. So I'm trying to let go more. But

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<v Speaker 2>I love you know, the results, you know, feeling good,

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<v Speaker 2>looking good, you know, a little soreness from a workout.

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<v Speaker 2>Those are the rewards for it. And then you look

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<v Speaker 2>at other people, your age, and you you want to

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<v Speaker 2>continue that trajectory that separates those put effort in from

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<v Speaker 2>those that don't.

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<v Speaker 1>For me, it's a lot of it's been about trying

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<v Speaker 1>to separate the almost like the cultural and the social

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<v Speaker 1>and the psychological programming about oh how will craig you're

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<v Speaker 1>sixty two soon? So with that come certain things that

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<v Speaker 1>you should be, that you should do, that you shouldn't do,

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<v Speaker 1>Like the psychology of aging really fascinates me. And of

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<v Speaker 1>course we're not we're not trying to deny the inevitability

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<v Speaker 1>of biological and chronological aging. Of course we're not pretending

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<v Speaker 1>that we're going to be, you know, two hundred years

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<v Speaker 1>old operating like a thirty or old. We're not. But

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<v Speaker 1>but just I wonder how much our thinking around aging

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<v Speaker 1>impacts our actual health.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a good point, you know, you know you

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<v Speaker 2>should be here of like you're sixty sixty two now

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<v Speaker 2>you want to be the oldest guy in the gym,

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<v Speaker 2>not the youngest guy in the nursing home. So continue

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<v Speaker 2>to defy the norms so that you can be that

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<v Speaker 2>outlier when you're eighty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, And I also think like having for me,

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<v Speaker 1>having a real awareness around what I do to my

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<v Speaker 1>body and how I do it and when I do it,

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<v Speaker 1>without trying to bring any obsessive tendencies in, which is

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<v Speaker 1>something of an ongoing battle. But but to go, all right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>how at my age, with my genetics, with my potential,

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<v Speaker 1>with my resources, with my time, how should I exercise?

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<v Speaker 1>Like for me, for my body, not for doctor Jeff,

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<v Speaker 1>but for me. What's going to work ideally for my genetics,

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<v Speaker 1>my injuries, my fucking all my stuff. What's nutritionally what's

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<v Speaker 1>optimal for me? Like sleep, recovery, work, you know, balance downtime, uptime,

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<v Speaker 1>like trying to figure out our own personal operating system

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<v Speaker 1>in a sea of advertisements for bullshit.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where I love the health monitoring tech, the Apple watches,

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<v Speaker 2>the whoop bands, the garments, the or rings, whatever, whatever

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<v Speaker 2>your favorite flavor is there, Ye, what's most popular down there?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think probably work gets a fair run all

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<v Speaker 1>the Apple watches? I mean, there's been a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of controversy around that, as Americans say, or we say,

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<v Speaker 1>controversy around that lately, because some of the data has

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<v Speaker 1>been proven to be wildly inaccurate. So on some of them.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was talking to this lady the other day

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<v Speaker 1>who was on the show. Who was it? It'll come

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<v Speaker 1>to me, oh, doctor, doctor Jody, who's one of our regulars,

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<v Speaker 1>And she was talking about was it her? It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>matter anyway. She was talking about how no, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>it was Lilian anyway. She was talking about how she

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<v Speaker 1>got up in the morning and she'd had what she

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<v Speaker 1>thought was a pretty good sleep. My listeners right now

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<v Speaker 1>going Craig, you got it wrong anyway, You don't need

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<v Speaker 1>to know, doc, But she got up this bit I'm

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<v Speaker 1>getting right. She got up in the morning, she had

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<v Speaker 1>what she thought was a pretty good sleep. She felt good, mentally, emotionally, physically,

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<v Speaker 1>felt good. And then she just happened to peek at

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<v Speaker 1>her watch, which told her that she'd had not much

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<v Speaker 1>ram her quality of sleep with shit, and it said

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<v Speaker 1>to her something like, you're probably going to have a

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<v Speaker 1>bit of a grumpy day today, so batten down the

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<v Speaker 1>hatches like something like that, and that kind of she

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<v Speaker 1>felt good. Then all of a sudden she read something

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<v Speaker 1>on her watch that told her, well, you shouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>feeling good, and it totally so, I yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 1>think you've got to You've got to I'm with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I love I love tracking, I love old school tracking.

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<v Speaker 1>I love taking my heart rate with you know manually.

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<v Speaker 1>I love writing down you know, sets and reps and

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<v Speaker 1>volume and how I feel and what time I went

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<v Speaker 1>to bed and what time I got up. And like

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<v Speaker 1>back in the old days when I owned all my gyms,

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<v Speaker 1>all of my clients had literally spiral bound diaries. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is before trackers, and I would say, everything that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to impact how you look, feel, function, write it

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<v Speaker 1>in here, and that what time you go to bed,

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<v Speaker 1>what time you get up, how much tea, how much coffee,

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<v Speaker 1>what drugs, what supplements, medicine? It sets, reps, volume, intensity,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know it's going to take you fifteen minutes day.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bit of a pain in the ass. But

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<v Speaker 1>that apart from you know that my client could turn

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<v Speaker 1>up and go, Craig, here's three days of information. That's

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<v Speaker 1>amazing for me as a coach or a trainer. But secondly,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an incredible exercise in self awareness and self understanding

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<v Speaker 1>where you do all these things to your body and

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<v Speaker 1>then your body tells you, and then you've got all

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<v Speaker 1>this information you can read and you're producing all these

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<v Speaker 1>results and you can even without being particularly you know,

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<v Speaker 1>trained or clinical, you can still kind of figure out

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<v Speaker 1>what works for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, absolutely, I think that's the way to do it,

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<v Speaker 2>because there are patterns and metrics that we cannot see

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<v Speaker 2>or feel unless they're shown to us in the data. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and sometimes, oh, that makes so much sense now that

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<v Speaker 2>I see it, right, that self awareness you were talking

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<v Speaker 2>about earlier. Sometimes sometimes you need to be shown the mirror,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is the mirror. So the scale, the body factor, position,

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<v Speaker 2>the heart rate variability, the resting heart rate, the blood pressure.

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<v Speaker 2>All these these are basic metrics and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them you can do from a device that you wear

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<v Speaker 2>without much trouble.

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<v Speaker 1>Is one of the one of the mistakes that people

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<v Speaker 1>make with this kind of an equals one. I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to try to figure out my own protocol, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>in an intelligent way, with the support of people like you,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and while tapping into quality advice. But is

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<v Speaker 1>that people instead of saying, well, this is what I'm

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<v Speaker 1>currently doing, let me just change this variable and see

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<v Speaker 1>what happens. Instead of doing that, they change eight things

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<v Speaker 1>at once, and then they don't know what the fuck

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<v Speaker 1>is working and what's not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that that's obviously difficult, right. You have to

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<v Speaker 2>either change one variable or have a very complex method

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<v Speaker 2>of changing them more then changing them differently than changing

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<v Speaker 2>them again, using AI to play with that mouth and

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<v Speaker 2>figure out what's actually the difference maker. That's complex multivariate

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<v Speaker 2>multi variable analysis you're talking about mouth I never accomplished.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's doable. It's doable.

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<v Speaker 1>The hardest part of my whole PhD is stats. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that. It's like, I'm doing psychology. Why do I

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<v Speaker 1>need to know all this? What's the hardest part for

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<v Speaker 1>you as a doctor. I don't know if that's the

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<v Speaker 1>correct term hardest part, but maybe the most challenging component

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<v Speaker 1>of getting people to comply with you know, what you

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<v Speaker 1>want them to do. You know that the prescription, whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not that's literally a medical prescription or a behavioral

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<v Speaker 1>or lifestyle or nutritional what's the hardest thing or the

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<v Speaker 1>biggest challenge for you seeing people, you know, not get

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<v Speaker 1>results because they just simply won't do what they need

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<v Speaker 1>to do.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's very common. You know, most of my career

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<v Speaker 2>is treating neck and back pain, and there are certain

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<v Speaker 2>exercises and therapies and yogas and whatever that that will

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<v Speaker 2>make a big difference and keep you out of invasive treatments.

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<v Speaker 2>But uh, many people just don't have the mindset or

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<v Speaker 2>the motivation or whatever it takes to do it. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>they're not they go to physical therapy, it's very passive.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not. You have to do the active component, you

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<v Speaker 2>have to activate the muscles, and they're just not doing it.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's that's frustrating. And there's no amount of talking

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<v Speaker 2>or education I can give them, because I've tried, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>to convince them. If you know, you can, you can

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<v Speaker 2>lead a horse to water. Do you guys have that saying?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have horses down there?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, of course we have three horses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep. Yeah, So the you know, they they just there

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<v Speaker 2>are people that just won't do it. And there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of you know, especially a younger generation, very passive,

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<v Speaker 2>very well, just take care of it for me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they opt for surgeries, and then I see them, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as a second opinion, after surgery hasn't helped them. I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't I wouldn't have done that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, you know, because we have

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<v Speaker 1>a propensity to wait till things are really broken. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>before well that's all right, I'm okay, yeah, I know,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's going to be an issue, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not an issue now, So we it's that reactive, not proactive,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think, I think on a really fundamental level too.

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize to my listeners because this is such a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking repetitious message on this show, but the bottom line

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<v Speaker 1>is that sometimes the things that we need to do

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<v Speaker 1>to create breakthrough and change and improvement are just hard

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<v Speaker 1>and uncomfortable and boring, and we don't like any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, that's true. We'd like to be constantly entertained

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<v Speaker 2>scrolling on the phones whatever it is, you know, learning

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<v Speaker 2>learning to be lonely, or to sit with yourself in

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<v Speaker 2>silence and turn your brain on and off, meditate. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>self self soothing. That's that's uh, that's not a thing

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<v Speaker 2>that kids have to adapt around any more like they're

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<v Speaker 2>used to, you know. Rather being a child, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there was times where you're just waiting for something or

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<v Speaker 2>bored or whatever. Was sitting with your parents somewhere and

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<v Speaker 2>you're just waiting for the doctors or whatever, and just

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<v Speaker 2>there was nothing to do. You know, there was no

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<v Speaker 2>phone to scroll on. Or whatever. You know, you just

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<v Speaker 2>you learned to, you know, look inward and speak to

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<v Speaker 2>yourself and soothe yourself. That's a lot of that's lost

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<v Speaker 2>in today's world, and I think that's an issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see a lot of people who, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>their overuse of tech. And I've spoken about this myself

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<v Speaker 1>because my life ironically the dinosaur whose life is quite

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<v Speaker 1>tech dependent. You know, even all of these shows. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, do you know today is episode two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and one.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it's like a space Odyssey over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, two thousand and one to yep, Space Odyssey and

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<v Speaker 1>you're my co pilot. Thank you. You've got to mention

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<v Speaker 1>an episode two thousand which is up today, which is

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<v Speaker 1>in Australia Wednesday. But I like that that balance. Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>One question, if this is a space Odyssey, would you

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<v Speaker 2>please open the pod bay door?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Sure, sure, Okay, I see.

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<v Speaker 2>What hopefully your listeners will get that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I see what you did there. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a huddle of a jo it's a hell of

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<v Speaker 2>a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so you and your humor, how do we navigate that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because we're not going to have a world without tech,

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<v Speaker 1>and neither do we want it, and you and I

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<v Speaker 1>need it. We need it right now, we need is there?

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<v Speaker 1>I know there's no three step, but like a how

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<v Speaker 1>do you advise people if you do on that balance

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<v Speaker 1>between using it when you need it not turning your

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<v Speaker 1>brain into cerebral mush because you're staring at a screen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty hours a day. And like, I think a lot

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<v Speaker 1>about because my brain is basically that's my tool, that's

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<v Speaker 1>my work tool. Like that's I need my brain to

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<v Speaker 1>be somewhere close to optimal, whatever my optimal is, so

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<v Speaker 1>that I can do what I'm doing Now. I can focus,

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<v Speaker 1>I can study, I can present the crowd so I

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<v Speaker 1>can have good recall, I can all that important kind

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<v Speaker 1>of brain stuff. And so the thing I almost I

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<v Speaker 1>get more scared of cognitive decline than physical decline. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>scared of both, but I'm more scared of my brain

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<v Speaker 1>declining because my job is dependent on it. What are

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<v Speaker 1>your thoughts around how do we use tech without turning

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves into fucking mindless cyborgs?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean most of my patients, we're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get them to use health tech so I can help

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<v Speaker 2>them help themselves. I have a few patients, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>the opposite. But I have a few patients that have

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<v Speaker 2>this paralysis by analysis. Right, They've got you know, lab

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<v Speaker 2>tests every month that they've achieved, and it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of markers, and you know, they've got their their

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<v Speaker 2>whoop on one hand, the Apple Watch on the other hand,

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<v Speaker 2>and and they bring it in their sleep app data

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's too much, you know. So they've got

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<v Speaker 2>some new I'm going to call it tech superimposed on tech.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got these aggregators where you the data uploads to

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<v Speaker 2>this aggregator and it sort of organizes it. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>an AI I guess and organizes it and tracks it.

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<v Speaker 2>So you don't have people come to me with all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of different reports and stuff. And what I need

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<v Speaker 2>is a dashboard for them. Yeah, right, So what I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think that the data is it's okay to

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<v Speaker 2>have lots of lots of crazy data. What we need

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<v Speaker 2>is a hey, chill down, calm down, let's organize it

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<v Speaker 2>in a way we can all use it so we're

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<v Speaker 2>not all, you know, anxious about all these data points.

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<v Speaker 2>Because the beauty of AI is you can have missing

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<v Speaker 2>data points and still have robust analysis analyses.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I want to talk to you about this

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<v Speaker 1>thing you probably don't know much about, but you've heard

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<v Speaker 1>about it. It's called regenerative medicine.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me more.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I mean it's a thing. People are doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's new, it's fancy. It's not new, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not fancy. Can you explain to well, it's going to

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<v Speaker 1>say people and me, what are the what's the core

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<v Speaker 1>idea at the heart of regenerative medicine, Like, what's the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of the underlying principle or philosophy of regenerative medicine

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<v Speaker 1>versus for one of a better term, traditional medicine or

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<v Speaker 1>Western medicine.

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<v Speaker 2>At its core, our bodies are programmed to heal and repair.

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<v Speaker 2>They lose the strength of that repair and restorative ability

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<v Speaker 2>with age and with inflammation, and regenerative medicine seeks to

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<v Speaker 2>tap back into that youthful healing biology with by either

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<v Speaker 2>borrowing that sells signal from a more youthful source or

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<v Speaker 2>somehow amplifying the source internally so it can heal, you

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<v Speaker 2>can heal something or help reduce inflammation and effect on

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<v Speaker 2>a like a younger person, even if it's temporary.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So explain to me and our listeners because I

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<v Speaker 1>want to come back to what you were just done.

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<v Speaker 1>But so biohacking, which is kind of a bro science term,

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<v Speaker 1>that's becoming Am I right in saying it's becoming more

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<v Speaker 1>accepted and more mainstream?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, it's not.

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<v Speaker 1>This weird, weird cousin outlier, is it anymore?

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<v Speaker 2>No, not anymore. It was at the beginning. I agree

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<v Speaker 2>with you, it was this you know cultish, you do

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<v Speaker 2>what you know. And I can tell you because I

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<v Speaker 2>participate in a lot of in person events here in

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<v Speaker 2>the States in the biohacking realm, and it used to

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<v Speaker 2>be there was one sort of conference here. Now there

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<v Speaker 2>is a conference, one or two conferences or events monthly

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<v Speaker 2>at a national level, and many more smaller ones even

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<v Speaker 2>at a more regional or local level. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>movement that has certainly taken root and has traction.

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<v Speaker 1>And what in the last I don't know, five to

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<v Speaker 1>ten years, has kind of beginning to flourish and beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to open doors and it's stepping out of the weed

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<v Speaker 1>space into the oh, this is actually a thing. This

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<v Speaker 1>is where we're saying. You know, lots of people try

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<v Speaker 1>these want to bed term alternate approaches or therapies or

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<v Speaker 1>you know, what's what's kind of what's taking off?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, m but gone, no, I got I got you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think regenerative medicine would be one element. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that certainly overlaps with biohacking significantly. Number two, and probably

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<v Speaker 2>the more recent one is peptides. I mean that they

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<v Speaker 2>are growing like crazy. It's hard to keep them in

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<v Speaker 2>stock these various suppliers, and you know, my patients are

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<v Speaker 2>asking about it. I think I mentioned this when we

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<v Speaker 2>were on a broadcast previously. I'm at the gym, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sitting in the sauna and there are a lot of young,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, young guys in there. In there, they're all

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<v Speaker 2>talking about peptides. Yeah. Right, you know, they all seem

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<v Speaker 2>to know a lot. So it's whether they're on Reddit

0:20:07.880 --> 0:20:12.440
<v Speaker 2>or wherever they're they're getting this information, it's they seem

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<v Speaker 2>to know what they're talking about. So what peptides are

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<v Speaker 2>game changers in many ways, and we stack them with

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<v Speaker 2>with the regenitives now too. So most of my patients

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<v Speaker 2>doing joint spine procedures, we're talking about doing a wolverine

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<v Speaker 2>protocol or something with that.

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<v Speaker 1>The wolverine protocol, that's the best marketing. Ever, get me

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<v Speaker 1>on that. From a research and a science point of view,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems that And I'm not disagreeing with you because

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of my friends use peptides, and I've used

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<v Speaker 1>a few peptides. I don't use anything at the moment,

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<v Speaker 1>but I used CJC twelve ninety five. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was IOD nine six four. I think there's one that

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be like catching fire, but it's illegal in

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<v Speaker 1>Australia or it's only under certain whatever bp C one

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<v Speaker 1>five seven is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Now? That's the one that that Gary Brecker. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>you know who Gary Breker is.

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<v Speaker 2>I know Gary, Sure, he seems to champion that. I mean, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>well that's that's sort of, you know, a very basic peptide.

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<v Speaker 2>The BPC is body protection compound one five seven and

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<v Speaker 2>three from muscular, skeletal and gut issues and we have

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<v Speaker 2>great success with that. It's part of it's part of

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<v Speaker 2>the wolverine. You know. Yes, so that's a legal way.

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<v Speaker 2>Why what do you you?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you can't it's in Australia, you you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's a very interesting landscape from a medical

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<v Speaker 1>and a pharmaceutical point of view, what what people can

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<v Speaker 1>you know? Like over here, if you are a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a sixty or sixty five or fifty year old dude

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<v Speaker 1>and you're your testosteroneers through the floor and we're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about bodybuilding anyone. We're not talking about massive muscles.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just talking about a normal hormone or the dominant

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<v Speaker 1>male hormone. And you feel shit and you've got no

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<v Speaker 1>sex drive, and you've got no energy, and you're a

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<v Speaker 1>bit sad and you're depressed, and everything else is relatively okay,

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<v Speaker 1>but your testosterone is through the floor. It's almost impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to get prescribed in Australia. Yeah, so it's just I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like it's five ten fifty, probably ten fifteen, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years behind the States in terms of but the moment

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<v Speaker 1>over here, you mentioned something like TRT, you know, testosterone

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<v Speaker 1>replacement therapy in a clinical application like we're talking about now.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we're such an ignorant population, we're going, oh, you're

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<v Speaker 1>going on steroids, and it's like, oh my god. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just got it's almost a branding problem or a

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<v Speaker 1>marketing problem or a you know, people don't really understand

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<v Speaker 1>like that, And I definitely don't understand anything that you do,

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<v Speaker 1>but the physiological and the endochronological realities of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>what can work and what is problematic, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>not just compounds but doses, you know, dosages, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's a little bit nine ninety five over here.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, listen for those listeners in your neck of the words.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to age at the rate you're aging,

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<v Speaker 2>don't take testars from replacement. Gentlemen. If you want to

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<v Speaker 2>age slower, maintain your muscle mass, have the energy and motivation,

0:23:40.680 --> 0:23:44.600
<v Speaker 2>drive and mindset of a younger man. Take testas from

0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.960
<v Speaker 2>replacement anywhere you can get it. If you have to

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<v Speaker 2>leave Australia to go get get pellettes put in every

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<v Speaker 2>four or five months, that might be the way to

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<v Speaker 2>do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell me about that. So they inject a pellette and

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<v Speaker 1>what is that a time release slow release, but.

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<v Speaker 2>A few of them it's just a little nick usually

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<v Speaker 2>in the side of the hip, superficial. They just inject

0:24:09.560 --> 0:24:13.280
<v Speaker 2>some some numbing agent and then slide these things in

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<v Speaker 2>there and then put a sticker, you know, a tape

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<v Speaker 2>on it heels up and they dissolve over four or

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<v Speaker 2>five six months, depending on the on the nature of them,

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<v Speaker 2>and you get a slow like you said, a slow

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<v Speaker 2>time release of the hormone. Uh, and that that could

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<v Speaker 2>be a solution because there's probably somewhere not far from you.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh you have to cross water to get there, I'm sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but where you can get this right.

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<v Speaker 1>So it looks like I'm kind of vigas everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, come to Vegas. We we have people that do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But that that is a is a simple way I

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<v Speaker 2>prefer doing for myself. I do an injection once a week. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's myself. It's just easy. A lot of people do that.

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<v Speaker 2>They now have an oral form. I'm not super versed

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<v Speaker 2>in it, and it's hard to measure the response in

0:25:04.880 --> 0:25:09.280
<v Speaker 2>the labs. You have to do it strategically. But that's

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<v Speaker 2>out there. But and they have a cream you can use.

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<v Speaker 2>I personally don't absorbent, so I did that for a while.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm doing the injections.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hm wow. And what is that like one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>milligrams a week or something in that ballpark.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have it in front of me, but it is.

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<v Speaker 2>It might be about about right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, wow. It's so it's so funny to watch

0:25:37.960 --> 0:25:41.520
<v Speaker 1>not only medicine, but health care in general, and nutrition

0:25:41.800 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and even you know, exercise and all of these variables

0:25:46.600 --> 0:25:50.040
<v Speaker 1>that impact how a person operates and functions and ages.

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 1>To see that the changes in thinking over the year,

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:57.280
<v Speaker 1>and that well, in some cases, in some countries, the

0:25:57.359 --> 0:26:01.040
<v Speaker 1>lack of change. But I see that. I don't know

0:26:01.040 --> 0:26:03.400
<v Speaker 1>if this is in your wheelhouse, but it was just interesting.

0:26:03.680 --> 0:26:06.440
<v Speaker 1>You know, Donald Trump came out, amongst all the myriad

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:10.160
<v Speaker 1>of things he's signed, he's talking about a link between

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:12.639
<v Speaker 1>paracetamol and autism. Did you hear that?

0:26:13.200 --> 0:26:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.240
<v Speaker 1>What what are your thoughts on that?

0:26:17.680 --> 0:26:20.199
<v Speaker 2>I haven't looked at the basic science behind it, but

0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't think you would see Robert F. Kennedy Junior

0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:29.359
<v Speaker 2>and mister President Trump, you know, saying what they're saying,

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh if if if there wasn't some evidence showing the

0:26:34.480 --> 0:26:39.359
<v Speaker 2>potential Lenk link between autism and uh you know, we

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:44.320
<v Speaker 2>call it acetam inafin you called a paracetamol uh during pregnancy,

0:26:46.000 --> 0:26:51.199
<v Speaker 2>so you know, we we it's not natural, right, it's

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 2>it's not a naturally occurring substance. So anything, we need

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:58.760
<v Speaker 2>to reduce these links because the costs of society for

0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 2>this huge number of people here in the States with

0:27:04.400 --> 0:27:09.560
<v Speaker 2>artism spectral disorders is a big issue.

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:15.879
<v Speaker 1>Do you think it's Do you think there are that

0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:19.760
<v Speaker 1>many more people like there's such a there's way more

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>people with autism or you know, expressing or demonstrating different

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I guess symptoms for one a better terms on the spectrum.

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.640
<v Speaker 1>Or is it just that we've got more testing, more

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:36.199
<v Speaker 1>awareness and it's for one of better terms, easier to

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>get diagnosed or more likely to be diagnosed because we're

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:43.040
<v Speaker 1>just everybody's being tested.

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean all children are observed during their upbringing,

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:55.000
<v Speaker 2>even if they're not tested. Yea. Even even when we

0:27:55.000 --> 0:27:59.000
<v Speaker 2>were younger, Craig, you know that there were those children

0:27:59.000 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 2>that misbehaved or couldn't you know, maintain their attention. There

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.600
<v Speaker 2>are so very few, at least in my experience. So

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 2>I think there is actually a shift and increase in

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 2>the epidemiologic numbers of these patients. So so I don't

0:28:18.320 --> 0:28:20.639
<v Speaker 2>think it's just an observation or a testing bias. I

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:24.840
<v Speaker 2>think it's an actual actual statistical move. Yeah.

0:28:25.760 --> 0:28:27.879
<v Speaker 1>And do you think not not what's the cause, but

0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:29.960
<v Speaker 1>what do you think is some of the you know,

0:28:30.160 --> 0:28:34.679
<v Speaker 1>potential correlates or factors that might so, you know, lifestyle

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:38.200
<v Speaker 1>and additives and preservatives and all of those, all of

0:28:38.240 --> 0:28:40.960
<v Speaker 1>those unnatural things that we're shoving into bodies.

0:28:41.680 --> 0:28:43.160
<v Speaker 2>I do. I think I think a lot of it's

0:28:43.160 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>in the diet. And I think, you know, there's a

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 2>really really good, compelling evidence looking at some of the vaccines.

0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:55.360
<v Speaker 2>Too many vaccines now, you know, when we were a kid,

0:28:55.760 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 2>just a few, right, and now it's many, so, you know,

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.640
<v Speaker 2>too much monkeying with our genome with that too much.

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 2>So you know, we might find there are multiple reasons

0:29:08.200 --> 0:29:13.560
<v Speaker 2>for that. So it's it's not entirely clear yet. But

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>just like if you had if you had some issues

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 2>and your docor said, you know, we're going to try

0:29:17.840 --> 0:29:20.120
<v Speaker 2>an elimination diet on you. We're going to take away

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>most things dairy, gluten, you know, and we're gonna we're

0:29:24.600 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna see if you feel better. Then we'll slowly add

0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 2>one back at a time to see what causes it.

0:29:29.880 --> 0:29:31.720
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of what we're doing here. We're just saying, Okay,

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:33.760
<v Speaker 2>what are all the things that may be causing it.

0:29:33.840 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 2>Let's take some of those back and then we can

0:29:36.840 --> 0:29:38.320
<v Speaker 2>see if we need to add them back one at

0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 2>a time to the to society to see what the

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:45.240
<v Speaker 2>issue is. You know, there's a problem. I mean it's

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.440
<v Speaker 2>it's evident there's an issue, something's going on.

0:29:48.480 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 1>And is there a common theme with your patients, like

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.440
<v Speaker 1>what's the what's at the top of the list in

0:29:54.520 --> 0:29:56.720
<v Speaker 1>terms of reasons why people knock on your door.

0:29:57.840 --> 0:30:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, because my background is in spine and muscular skeletal

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:07.560
<v Speaker 2>structural parts. My super niche is you know, cartilage regeneration,

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:13.280
<v Speaker 2>joint and spine treatment with regeneritive medicine injections to help

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 2>people prevent the need for joint replacement surgeries.

0:30:17.720 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Wow, And so uh is it pay pay? Plate

0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>rich plight let rich plasm is in that wheel excuse

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.960
<v Speaker 1>my ignorance, not my spice obviously, but that's in that wheelhouse.

0:30:31.680 --> 0:30:34.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. That would be sort of the low end entry

0:30:34.120 --> 0:30:38.720
<v Speaker 2>level approach. The next level would be the stem cell

0:30:39.320 --> 0:30:42.920
<v Speaker 2>or stem cell drive exosome cell signaling approach. That's where

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 2>we are. So I don't dabble in the platelet rich

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 2>plasma because it's so many you know, you can get

0:30:50.080 --> 0:30:54.360
<v Speaker 2>that anywhere here in the States, and it you know,

0:30:54.440 --> 0:30:56.840
<v Speaker 2>it may help. If it helps, you don't need me, great,

0:30:57.000 --> 0:30:59.719
<v Speaker 2>If it doesn't work, then come see me. We'll take

0:30:59.760 --> 0:30:59.960
<v Speaker 2>it up.

0:31:00.240 --> 0:31:03.840
<v Speaker 1>Notch and what's what's taking it up? And notch, what's

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>on that?

0:31:04.360 --> 0:31:07.600
<v Speaker 2>Like what's on that stem cell? Stem cells and their

0:31:07.600 --> 0:31:11.400
<v Speaker 2>exisomes are much more powerful and sell signaling than play

0:31:11.400 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 2>the rich plasma. Play the rich plasma, especially if you're

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 2>my age, you know, pushing sixty or your age, you know,

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 2>pushing sixty two, That our plasma that you know are

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 2>unless you have super super clean plasma. It's not it's

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:29.080
<v Speaker 2>not that young stuff. You want that young stuff?

0:31:30.120 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where do I get me some of that young stuff?

0:31:32.360 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 1>That's what I want. That's what I want. And so

0:31:37.600 --> 0:31:43.400
<v Speaker 1>broadly speaking, is it seems like integrated medicine in this

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 1>more kind of a regenerative medicine, I should say, is

0:31:48.160 --> 0:31:52.960
<v Speaker 1>becoming like a lot more accepted, not not just medically,

0:31:53.000 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 1>but culturally and socially. It's not you're not weird anymore.

0:31:57.520 --> 0:32:00.320
<v Speaker 1>If you're doing that, you're not the outlier so much anymore.

0:32:01.240 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 2>If I went to uh went back to the old

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 2>neurosurgery conferences, I would be the outlier. But when I

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.960
<v Speaker 2>go to the regenerate of medicine, biohacking, health span conferences.

0:32:13.040 --> 0:32:17.080
<v Speaker 2>I am the mainstream, so it just depends on your circle.

0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 2>The Uh it's except that people are seeking it more

0:32:21.440 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 2>and more. It's it's in the airwaves, you know, celebrities

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:30.479
<v Speaker 2>doing it. It's in media. Joe Rogan, who you know

0:32:30.560 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 2>also has a podcast almost as good as yours, speaks

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 2>to it. Mel Gibson has done it, you know, he's

0:32:38.040 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 2>looking to it a lot others. I guess the Kardashians

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 2>did something. So that's if it's good enough for the Kardashians,

0:32:44.720 --> 0:32:46.000
<v Speaker 2>it's good enough for everybody, right.

0:32:46.560 --> 0:32:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, Ruggan's constantly pumping it. There's a guy, there's

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>a place that he goes to. He also goes to

0:32:54.280 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>down to Mexico to get stuffed done.

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 2>There. He promotes a place in Tijuana.

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Wise to well.

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 2>It's called cp I, it's called CPR. But but because

0:33:06.760 --> 0:33:13.120
<v Speaker 2>he's he's close with Dana White. Dana White, yeah, uh yeah,

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Gary treated Dana of course and then and this is

0:33:16.680 --> 0:33:20.760
<v Speaker 2>all public, so we're not breaking any place yet. Uh.

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 2>Dana Dana's fighters, Uh yes, sometimes on Joe Rogan show,

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 2>and they have a connection, so they send the fighters

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:33.080
<v Speaker 2>down to that place in Tijuana. But have you You've

0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:36.160
<v Speaker 2>probably never been to Tijuana, but let me just say it's, uh,

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 2>it's an interesting place. Yeah I have, I haven't been

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 2>there in many years. It would be not it would

0:33:42.120 --> 0:33:46.720
<v Speaker 2>be not necessarily the safest place to go. Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:48.800
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of you know, it was one of

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:55.200
<v Speaker 2>the major uh you know, drug distribution points. You you've

0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.400
<v Speaker 2>got Netflix down there. You've seen these show Narcos and narcos. Yeah,

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:05.640
<v Speaker 2>so the Plaza, I mean it's right down there.

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, very well. The UFC is massive and Dana

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>White like not so much with my female listeners, some

0:34:12.640 --> 0:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>of them, but yeah, the UFC you know, is on

0:34:15.960 --> 0:34:18.400
<v Speaker 1>a part in Australia in terms of like obviously we

0:34:18.480 --> 0:34:21.359
<v Speaker 1>don't have the same population, but there's quite a lot

0:34:21.400 --> 0:34:24.239
<v Speaker 1>of Ozzie UFC fighters and you know, I know a

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.440
<v Speaker 1>lot of bullheads and meatheads and fighters and trainers and

0:34:27.520 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 1>coaches and yeah, they love the UFC and they loved

0:34:30.000 --> 0:34:33.600
<v Speaker 1>Dana and it's like, although he's a character, but I

0:34:33.640 --> 0:34:35.719
<v Speaker 1>think he well I don't think. I know, he came

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:37.520
<v Speaker 1>out not too long ago and he said I will

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 1>never go to a medical doctor ever again unless it's

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>some kind of you know, but in terms of just

0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:48.040
<v Speaker 1>his normal health. Because and again this is just what

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.759
<v Speaker 1>he said. And by the way, I went to a

0:34:50.800 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>doctor about a week ago, and the week before that

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 1>medical doctors, so I'm not canning doctors. But yeah, he

0:34:57.560 --> 0:35:02.160
<v Speaker 1>said he's never ever felt better, function better, His brain's

0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.759
<v Speaker 1>never worked better, his body has never worked better. On

0:35:06.040 --> 0:35:08.759
<v Speaker 1>the protocol that he and Gary Brecker and I'm sure

0:35:08.800 --> 0:35:11.920
<v Speaker 1>a few others kind of developed him. But if looks

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:14.640
<v Speaker 1>or anything to go by, he literally looks ten years

0:35:14.680 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>younger than he did a couple of years ago.

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, he's he's certainly a poster child for

0:35:22.239 --> 0:35:26.720
<v Speaker 2>health and wellness, you know, naturally and doing the right stuff.

0:35:26.880 --> 0:35:29.680
<v Speaker 2>But he did the work. You can't just be told

0:35:29.719 --> 0:35:30.879
<v Speaker 2>the work. You have to do the work.

0:35:30.960 --> 0:35:33.560
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, one hundred percent. And I think, like I

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.399
<v Speaker 1>saw him to a walk through his office and he's

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:39.280
<v Speaker 1>got all this state of the art, you know, plunge

0:35:39.280 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>pools and saunas and training equipment and you know, like

0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's it's like a bloody Olympic compound.

0:35:47.280 --> 0:35:50.640
<v Speaker 2>They're right up the street here, They're literally fifteen minute

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:54.120
<v Speaker 2>drive from where I'm speaking to you now. We drive

0:35:54.200 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 2>right by it all the time.

0:35:56.440 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm so conflicted about that sport because I love the

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I love the athleticism and the skill and the power

0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 1>and you know, everything of course, except the brain damage.

0:36:09.160 --> 0:36:12.319
<v Speaker 1>It's like, I just I'm like, if only there was

0:36:12.560 --> 0:36:15.960
<v Speaker 1>if only that sport could exist without TBI, you know,

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:20.440
<v Speaker 1>if only we could have that where guys and women

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>are not kicking, elbowing and punching each other in the head.

0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:27.839
<v Speaker 1>Except for that, it's the ideal sport. But that's kind

0:36:27.840 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 1>of I really can't, as you know, as a health professional,

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I can't get over it. But I will say it's

0:36:35.320 --> 0:36:37.840
<v Speaker 1>my guilty pleasure watching them punch the fuck out of

0:36:37.880 --> 0:36:41.719
<v Speaker 1>each other and the octagon do you ever go, I've

0:36:41.760 --> 0:36:42.160
<v Speaker 1>never been.

0:36:42.239 --> 0:36:45.399
<v Speaker 2>People have invited us because we're here in town, and

0:36:45.640 --> 0:36:49.160
<v Speaker 2>we're just it's just not it's not on my it's

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 2>not my appetite. Necessarily. Speaking of TBI, we have some

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 2>interesting results now. We're treating some football players by football

0:36:59.080 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 2>and American Football are.

0:37:00.239 --> 0:37:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah, that we put.

0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:07.360
<v Speaker 2>These stem cell derived exosomes in an easle spray and

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:10.160
<v Speaker 2>without some really cool results because at the back of

0:37:10.239 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 2>the sinuses get right up to the brain, so and

0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 2>they will travel the exosomes will travel across that blood

0:37:16.480 --> 0:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>brain barrier pretty nicely.

0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.520
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing what they're the doors that they're opening now

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:25.479
<v Speaker 1>with cognitive stuff. And I know this is very low level,

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>but I've got two things. One is, you know that creatine.

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you think anything of that, but

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:34.239
<v Speaker 1>there's quite a lot of research now saying that high

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:39.400
<v Speaker 1>dose creatine correlates with cognitive improvement. And you know, like

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>fifteen twenty grams, not three to five grams, fifteen. I've

0:37:44.000 --> 0:37:48.520
<v Speaker 1>been doing that for six months. I've been doing probably, yeah,

0:37:48.560 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>fifteen to twenty grams a day, and definitely you know,

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:54.840
<v Speaker 1>whether it's a placebo or not, I don't think it is,

0:37:54.880 --> 0:37:59.000
<v Speaker 1>because I don't think my expectations were high. But for me,

0:37:59.200 --> 0:38:03.040
<v Speaker 1>my yeah, my cognitive performance is definitely better than it

0:38:03.160 --> 0:38:05.480
<v Speaker 1>was a year ago, which is nice. You know, there's

0:38:05.480 --> 0:38:07.480
<v Speaker 1>a few other things when you sleep better and all that.

0:38:07.560 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 1>Of course. The other thing I spoke to a guy, well, firstly,

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:12.399
<v Speaker 1>what are your thoughts on creds And I think we've

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:13.000
<v Speaker 1>spoken on it.

0:38:13.760 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 2>We have a big fan. I take it myself daily.

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:21.080
<v Speaker 2>I haven't pushed it to twenty grams yet, but I

0:38:21.080 --> 0:38:23.359
<v Speaker 2>don't have a problem doing that. It doesn't taste great,

0:38:23.400 --> 0:38:24.839
<v Speaker 2>so you got to spread it out throughout the day.

0:38:25.360 --> 0:38:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. We have a guy called doctor Bill

0:38:29.480 --> 0:38:33.840
<v Speaker 1>Sullivan who is from Indiana. I forget the name of

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the uni, but Indiana State University. He's the head of

0:38:36.760 --> 0:38:40.440
<v Speaker 1>biomedical science or something. He's a genius. And we're talking

0:38:40.440 --> 0:38:47.800
<v Speaker 1>the other day about lithium being lithium and the brain

0:38:48.239 --> 0:38:51.239
<v Speaker 1>and like, wow, I mean I still don't get it.

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:53.080
<v Speaker 1>But he took me on a little me and the

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:56.640
<v Speaker 1>listeners on a little bit of a ride. How that

0:38:56.719 --> 0:39:02.240
<v Speaker 1>might be Maybe that might be something super promising moving forward.

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just read something on that. So you know,

0:39:05.480 --> 0:39:09.879
<v Speaker 2>lithium is a long standing treatment for bipolar disorder. Yes,

0:39:10.680 --> 0:39:15.640
<v Speaker 2>but it's interesting that we have evolved on this planet

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<v Speaker 2>where there are certain phyto nutrients, plants, and certain minerals

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<v Speaker 2>like lithium. Right, it comes from rocks, so yes, so

0:39:23.800 --> 0:39:27.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, and and our bodies processes do well with

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:31.000
<v Speaker 2>these things because we grew up around them, not grew up,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, organismally grew up. So I'm very interested

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<v Speaker 2>in stuff like that. The you know, what's what's the

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<v Speaker 2>basis of why do we need magnesium and sodium and

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 2>all these all these you know, you know elements in us.

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<v Speaker 2>It's because they're they're part of our makeup and we

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<v Speaker 2>need them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, So it feels like, yeah, so it'll be

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to see what happens. It feels like every ten

0:39:55.320 --> 0:39:58.920
<v Speaker 1>minutes there's another breakthrough that's going to change humanity. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like since since I first started working

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<v Speaker 1>in gyms and started being a young dodgy bodybuilder in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty two, like oh, desiccated liver. Oh, there was

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:12.879
<v Speaker 1>all this shit you wouldn't have even heard of. There

0:40:12.880 --> 0:40:15.360
<v Speaker 1>was a supplement I took called frack. I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>even what it was. There's another thing called gamma oars

0:40:18.000 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>and all like, there were all of that. And this

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 1>was just probably late eighties, when all of the individual

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:27.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of amino acids you could get argentine and ornathene

0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 1>and lycene and carntine l carnateine and you could get

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:35.759
<v Speaker 1>them all individually and they tasted like shit. It was

0:40:35.840 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 1>just this white powder. Oh my god, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>everything that you could get legally I would take and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure it did nothing. You know, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just nineteen twenty, I probably didn't need anything except food.

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Well it probably did help you, you know, build muscle,

0:40:56.000 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 2>and yeah, especially the branch the lasians, the branch chains. Yeah,

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:04.760
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, we still need those. I think we probably

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<v Speaker 2>need them more than ever now in our sixties than

0:41:07.440 --> 0:41:12.680
<v Speaker 2>we did then. You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And by

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:15.440
<v Speaker 2>the way, that we're back to these organ meats and

0:41:15.480 --> 0:41:18.840
<v Speaker 2>desiccated livers and things again, and they're very rich and

0:41:18.960 --> 0:41:22.640
<v Speaker 2>many of the things we need. So we see that

0:41:22.640 --> 0:41:25.399
<v Speaker 2>that's one of the that's that's making a resurgence.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, I've got a medical question. I need some I

0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 1>need a consult, So start your clock.

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:34.360
<v Speaker 2>I can fit you in next Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 1>Now hit me in now. Hey, so I started taking

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<v Speaker 1>hang on, it's in front of me doxy cycling, so

0:41:43.480 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 1>for my infection in my face. So I'm day fourteen. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>oh this is good. I'm glad you're here. So doxy

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:55.920
<v Speaker 1>cycling one hundred milligrams a day. Today is day fourteen,

0:41:56.840 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>and I've got another week if I need it, right, Yeah, okay,

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:07.399
<v Speaker 1>So that's part one. Part two is when I went

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:10.400
<v Speaker 1>to get the script at the pharmacy or chemist what

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:12.280
<v Speaker 1>do you call it in the States. Pharmacy.

0:42:12.400 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, pharmacy. Yeah.

0:42:14.280 --> 0:42:16.720
<v Speaker 1>So at the pharmacy got the script and the lady

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<v Speaker 1>who was great, said, you know, do you take a probiotic?

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>And I said, sure, don't and she said, well, you know,

0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.759
<v Speaker 1>I would think about that, and I went, yeah, that's

0:42:29.800 --> 0:42:31.799
<v Speaker 1>actually not the worst idea. How does that work? And

0:42:31.840 --> 0:42:34.120
<v Speaker 1>if I take a probiotic, is the antibiotic going to

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 1>fuck up the probiotic? And she's like, that's also a

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.239
<v Speaker 1>good question, she said, so you maybe want to take

0:42:39.280 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 1>it at the opposite ends of the day, like eight

0:42:41.080 --> 0:42:44.640
<v Speaker 1>am and eight pm or something like that. So before

0:42:44.680 --> 0:42:46.720
<v Speaker 1>I ask you another question, what are your thoughts on.

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<v Speaker 2>Just that before you mentioned probiotic that was already on

0:42:50.480 --> 0:42:55.760
<v Speaker 2>my mind. On a course of antibiotics, it does kill

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:58.719
<v Speaker 2>the bacteria that's causing your infection, but it also was

0:42:58.840 --> 0:43:04.040
<v Speaker 2>killing the bacteria and you need to you know, digest

0:43:04.040 --> 0:43:07.200
<v Speaker 2>your food and help you with other things. So so yeah,

0:43:07.239 --> 0:43:11.000
<v Speaker 2>I agree, you should be on a good probiotic, you know,

0:43:11.480 --> 0:43:14.440
<v Speaker 2>twice a day on like she said, opposing the doses,

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.919
<v Speaker 2>and also probably for at least a few weeks. When

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:22.279
<v Speaker 2>you stop the antibiotics to repopulate your gut, you can

0:43:22.320 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 2>also eat fermented foods. Yeah, and that that's another good

0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:29.759
<v Speaker 2>way to help get that going again. But a great

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 2>I do a probiotic as a routine. Yeah, I'm a fan.

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:37.800
<v Speaker 2>Two thumbs ups for the probiotics.

0:43:38.320 --> 0:43:42.000
<v Speaker 1>So, like, I honestly feel and I don't know because

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:45.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm taking different things now, but I feel so much better.

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:48.400
<v Speaker 1>I think I feel twenty percent better since I started

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the probiotics, which was only like four days ago. Maybe

0:43:51.000 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that's a place bow and maybe it's real, don't know,

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 1>but I feel good anyway, I feel good right the

0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.480
<v Speaker 1>one that I'm taking. I don't even know what this means.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like triple strength ninety six billion cfu. Yep, do

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:07.040
<v Speaker 1>you know what that means? Does that mean anything?

0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, that's a good number. See if you as

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:15.879
<v Speaker 2>colony forming units, oh wow, probably means at least if

0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:19.520
<v Speaker 2>you drop that in a future, dissu'd form ninety little

0:44:19.840 --> 0:44:25.400
<v Speaker 2>dollops of bacterial growth. Wowty billions?

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.960
<v Speaker 1>So do you Is it your advice to me, and

0:44:28.000 --> 0:44:30.640
<v Speaker 1>this is not advice to anyone else audience, but to me,

0:44:31.960 --> 0:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that I should maybe do one of these ongoing like

0:44:35.600 --> 0:44:35.960
<v Speaker 1>I would.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, unless unless you're like, you know, when when you're

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:42.920
<v Speaker 2>a kid and you're playing outside and you're getting your

0:44:42.920 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 2>hands dirty and touching yourself and getting dirt everywhere, and

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, you get soil in your mouth or whatever

0:44:48.960 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 2>you're you're probably getting probiotics. If you if you drink

0:44:57.320 --> 0:45:02.800
<v Speaker 2>raw milk, like raw your eyes, raw milk, you're probably

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:07.720
<v Speaker 2>getting probiotics. So so there there are people that probably

0:45:07.760 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 2>don't need them, but most of us, you know, we're indoors.

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:15.759
<v Speaker 2>We're just not out there getting dirty enough, so we

0:45:15.840 --> 0:45:17.200
<v Speaker 2>need it. I would do it ongoing.

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