1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Doctor Jeff, it's about bloody time. Where have you? Where 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: have you been? Bro? Where have you been? 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 2: It's been like under a rock And I'm glad to 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: come out and talk to you again and reconnect. I 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: missed you, my friend. 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I missed you too, man, And I've been you know, 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: it's funny. I've been a little bit crook everyone, as 8 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, not life or death, just not you know, 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: you know how boys are pathetic. So anyway, and doctor 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: Jeff just said to me, if only you knew a 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: doctor that you could call, And I said, we live 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: on the other side of the world, and I don't 13 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: have your number. So he just gave me his number. 14 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 1: So I'm about to start stalking him like a fucking weirdo. 15 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: So that'll be good for you. You'll rue the day. You'll 16 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: rue the day where you suggested I call you. But 17 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: how's how's your health? Are you good? Are you fitting? Healthy? 18 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: You still still hitting the gym, Still hitting it hard 19 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: every every morning, almost every morning early, hit it hard 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 2: and uh pro you know, push the protein the rest 21 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: of the day so I can feed those muscle fibers. 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: And yeah, I feel really good. And knock on wood 23 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: or wood fiber or whatever's in this desk, and that's why. Yeah, 24 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 2: if you have an issue, you got to call your friends, 25 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 2: you got to call your circle. So I'm happy, happy 26 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 2: to look over your shoulder and you know, see what's 27 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 2: going on next time. 28 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: Thanks, buddy, I'll send you all my test results. Tell 29 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: you how much you know with you, how much of 30 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: your personal protocol around health and wellness and energy and 31 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: self maintenance for one or a better term, how much 32 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: is really kind of structured, rigid process driven, and how 33 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: much is a little bit loosey goosey, you know, a 34 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:39,839 Speaker 1: little bit kind of freestyle. 35 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I like it to be very structured 36 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: with not and not freaking out if I miss a 37 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: day or something, because when I get on a regiment, 38 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 2: I like to stick to it. You know, I'm disciplined, 39 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 2: and then I have this guilt. Oh I've completely failed 40 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 2: when you miss a day. So I'm trying to trying 41 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 2: to trained myself into saying, you know, I'm gonna sleep 42 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: an extra hour today and skip it. Yeah, we don't 43 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: do that often, but every now and then I think 44 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 2: your body's talking to you. So I'm trying not to 45 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: take myself too seriously, you know. So that's sort of 46 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: my New Year's resolution here for next year. I'm just 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 2: getting getting a ramp up for it. 48 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: It seems like the line for some people. I am 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: one of those people, The line between kind of structure, accountability, process, discipline, 50 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: self control and obsession is about two point six inches. 51 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: You know. 52 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: For me, when I was a kid, I was this 53 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: fat kid, which I think I've told you about, but 54 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: I lost all this weight and then I became a 55 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: fucking maniac where you know, I would weigh my arm 56 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: and I would you know, I would, I wouldn't you know. 57 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,360 Speaker 1: And it just got to the point where now I 58 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: had a whole lot of anxiety around that, and then 59 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: I just it went from a healthy kind of focus 60 00:02:58,520 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: to an unhealthy obsession. 61 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I'm with you there. I love to control 62 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: things in my life, right because control seems to be 63 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: the fixed to anxieties, but it really isn't. It just 64 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: feeds them. So I'm trying to let go more. But 65 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,960 Speaker 2: I love you know, the results, you know, feeling good, 66 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: looking good, you know, a little soreness from a workout. 67 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 2: Those are the rewards for it. And then you look 68 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: at other people, your age, and you you want to 69 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 2: continue that trajectory that separates those put effort in from 70 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 2: those that don't. 71 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: For me, it's a lot of it's been about trying 72 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: to separate the almost like the cultural and the social 73 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: and the psychological programming about oh how will craig you're 74 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: sixty two soon? So with that come certain things that 75 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: you should be, that you should do, that you shouldn't do, 76 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: Like the psychology of aging really fascinates me. And of 77 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: course we're not we're not trying to deny the inevitability 78 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: of biological and chronological aging. Of course we're not pretending 79 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,040 Speaker 1: that we're going to be, you know, two hundred years 80 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: old operating like a thirty or old. We're not. But 81 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: but just I wonder how much our thinking around aging 82 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: impacts our actual health. 83 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 2: So it's a good point, you know, you know you 84 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 2: should be here of like you're sixty sixty two now 85 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 2: you want to be the oldest guy in the gym, 86 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 2: not the youngest guy in the nursing home. So continue 87 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: to defy the norms so that you can be that 88 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: outlier when you're eighty five. 89 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And I also think like having for me, 90 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: having a real awareness around what I do to my 91 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: body and how I do it and when I do it, 92 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,839 Speaker 1: without trying to bring any obsessive tendencies in, which is 93 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: something of an ongoing battle. But but to go, all right, well, 94 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,159 Speaker 1: how at my age, with my genetics, with my potential, 95 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 1: with my resources, with my time, how should I exercise? 96 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: Like for me, for my body, not for doctor Jeff, 97 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: but for me. What's going to work ideally for my genetics, 98 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 1: my injuries, my fucking all my stuff. What's nutritionally what's 99 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: optimal for me? Like sleep, recovery, work, you know, balance downtime, uptime, 100 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: like trying to figure out our own personal operating system 101 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: in a sea of advertisements for bullshit. 102 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: That's where I love the health monitoring tech, the Apple watches, 103 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 2: the whoop bands, the garments, the or rings, whatever, whatever 104 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 2: your favorite flavor is there, Ye, what's most popular down there? 105 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: Do you think probably work gets a fair run all 106 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: the Apple watches? I mean, there's been a little bit 107 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: of controversy around that, as Americans say, or we say, 108 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: controversy around that lately, because some of the data has 109 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: been proven to be wildly inaccurate. So on some of them. 110 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: And I was talking to this lady the other day 111 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: who was on the show. Who was it? It'll come 112 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 1: to me, oh, doctor, doctor Jody, who's one of our regulars, 113 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: And she was talking about was it her? It doesn't 114 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: matter anyway. She was talking about how no, it wasn't 115 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 1: it was Lilian anyway. She was talking about how she 116 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: got up in the morning and she'd had what she 117 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: thought was a pretty good sleep. My listeners right now 118 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: going Craig, you got it wrong anyway, You don't need 119 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 1: to know, doc, But she got up this bit I'm 120 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: getting right. She got up in the morning, she had 121 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: what she thought was a pretty good sleep. She felt good, mentally, emotionally, physically, 122 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 1: felt good. And then she just happened to peek at 123 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 1: her watch, which told her that she'd had not much 124 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: ram her quality of sleep with shit, and it said 125 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: to her something like, you're probably going to have a 126 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: bit of a grumpy day today, so batten down the 127 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 1: hatches like something like that, and that kind of she 128 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: felt good. Then all of a sudden she read something 129 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: on her watch that told her, well, you shouldn't be 130 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: feeling good, and it totally so, I yeah, I just 131 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: think you've got to You've got to I'm with you. 132 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: I love I love tracking, I love old school tracking. 133 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: I love taking my heart rate with you know manually. 134 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: I love writing down you know, sets and reps and 135 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: volume and how I feel and what time I went 136 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: to bed and what time I got up. And like 137 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: back in the old days when I owned all my gyms, 138 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: all of my clients had literally spiral bound diaries. So 139 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: this is before trackers, and I would say, everything that's 140 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: going to impact how you look, feel, function, write it 141 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: in here, and that what time you go to bed, 142 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: what time you get up, how much tea, how much coffee, 143 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: what drugs, what supplements, medicine? It sets, reps, volume, intensity, 144 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: and I know it's going to take you fifteen minutes day. 145 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 1: It's a bit of a pain in the ass. But 146 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 1: that apart from you know that my client could turn 147 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: up and go, Craig, here's three days of information. That's 148 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: amazing for me as a coach or a trainer. But secondly, 149 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:17,560 Speaker 1: it's an incredible exercise in self awareness and self understanding 150 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: where you do all these things to your body and 151 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: then your body tells you, and then you've got all 152 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: this information you can read and you're producing all these 153 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: results and you can even without being particularly you know, 154 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: trained or clinical, you can still kind of figure out 155 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: what works for you. 156 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, absolutely, I think that's the way to do it, 157 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 2: because there are patterns and metrics that we cannot see 158 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 2: or feel unless they're shown to us in the data. Yes, 159 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: and sometimes, oh, that makes so much sense now that 160 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 2: I see it, right, that self awareness you were talking 161 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: about earlier. Sometimes sometimes you need to be shown the mirror, 162 00:08:56,240 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 2: and this is the mirror. So the scale, the body factor, position, 163 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: the heart rate variability, the resting heart rate, the blood pressure. 164 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: All these these are basic metrics and a lot of 165 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 2: them you can do from a device that you wear 166 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 2: without much trouble. 167 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: Is one of the one of the mistakes that people 168 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: make with this kind of an equals one. I'm going 169 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: to try to figure out my own protocol, you know, 170 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 1: in an intelligent way, with the support of people like you, 171 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: you know, and while tapping into quality advice. But is 172 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: that people instead of saying, well, this is what I'm 173 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: currently doing, let me just change this variable and see 174 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: what happens. Instead of doing that, they change eight things 175 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: at once, and then they don't know what the fuck 176 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: is working and what's not. 177 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that that's obviously difficult, right. You have to 178 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: either change one variable or have a very complex method 179 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: of changing them more then changing them differently than changing 180 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 2: them again, using AI to play with that mouth and 181 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 2: figure out what's actually the difference maker. That's complex multivariate 182 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: multi variable analysis you're talking about mouth I never accomplished. 183 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: So it's doable. It's doable. 184 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: The hardest part of my whole PhD is stats. You 185 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: know that. It's like, I'm doing psychology. Why do I 186 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: need to know all this? What's the hardest part for 187 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: you as a doctor. I don't know if that's the 188 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: correct term hardest part, but maybe the most challenging component 189 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: of getting people to comply with you know, what you 190 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: want them to do. You know that the prescription, whether 191 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: or not that's literally a medical prescription or a behavioral 192 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: or lifestyle or nutritional what's the hardest thing or the 193 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: biggest challenge for you seeing people, you know, not get 194 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: results because they just simply won't do what they need 195 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: to do. 196 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 2: That's that's very common. You know, most of my career 197 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 2: is treating neck and back pain, and there are certain 198 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 2: exercises and therapies and yogas and whatever that that will 199 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 2: make a big difference and keep you out of invasive treatments. 200 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 2: But uh, many people just don't have the mindset or 201 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: the motivation or whatever it takes to do it. You know, 202 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: they're not they go to physical therapy, it's very passive. 203 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 2: They're not. You have to do the active component, you 204 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 2: have to activate the muscles, and they're just not doing it. 205 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 2: So that's that's frustrating. And there's no amount of talking 206 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: or education I can give them, because I've tried, you know, 207 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: to convince them. If you know, you can, you can 208 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: lead a horse to water. Do you guys have that saying? 209 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 2: Do you have horses down there? 210 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,079 Speaker 1: Of course, of course we have three horses. 211 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, So the you know, they they just there 212 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 2: are people that just won't do it. And there are 213 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 2: a lot of you know, especially a younger generation, very passive, 214 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: very well, just take care of it for me, you know, 215 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: they opt for surgeries, and then I see them, you know, 216 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,559 Speaker 2: as a second opinion, after surgery hasn't helped them. I 217 00:11:58,600 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't I wouldn't have done that. 218 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think, you know, because we have 219 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: a propensity to wait till things are really broken. Sometimes 220 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: before well that's all right, I'm okay, yeah, I know, 221 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: I know it's going to be an issue, but it's 222 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: not an issue now, So we it's that reactive, not proactive, 223 00:12:21,320 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: and I think, I think on a really fundamental level too. 224 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: I apologize to my listeners because this is such a 225 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: fucking repetitious message on this show, but the bottom line 226 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: is that sometimes the things that we need to do 227 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: to create breakthrough and change and improvement are just hard 228 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: and uncomfortable and boring, and we don't like any of that. 229 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's true. We'd like to be constantly entertained 230 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 2: scrolling on the phones whatever it is, you know, learning 231 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 2: learning to be lonely, or to sit with yourself in 232 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 2: silence and turn your brain on and off, meditate. Yeah, yeah, 233 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: self self soothing. That's that's uh, that's not a thing 234 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 2: that kids have to adapt around any more like they're 235 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,960 Speaker 2: used to, you know. Rather being a child, you know, 236 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: there was times where you're just waiting for something or 237 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 2: bored or whatever. Was sitting with your parents somewhere and 238 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 2: you're just waiting for the doctors or whatever, and just 239 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: there was nothing to do. You know, there was no 240 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 2: phone to scroll on. Or whatever. You know, you just 241 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: you learned to, you know, look inward and speak to 242 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: yourself and soothe yourself. That's a lot of that's lost 243 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 2: in today's world, and I think that's an issue. 244 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,720 Speaker 1: Do you see a lot of people who, you know, 245 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 1: their overuse of tech. And I've spoken about this myself 246 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: because my life ironically the dinosaur whose life is quite 247 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: tech dependent. You know, even all of these shows. By 248 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: the way, do you know today is episode two thousand 249 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: and one. 250 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 2: Wow, it's like a space Odyssey over here. 251 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, two thousand and one to yep, Space Odyssey and 252 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: you're my co pilot. Thank you. You've got to mention 253 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: an episode two thousand which is up today, which is 254 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: in Australia Wednesday. But I like that that balance. Sure. 255 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 2: One question, if this is a space Odyssey, would you 256 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: please open the pod bay door? 257 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? Sure, sure, Okay, I see. 258 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 2: What hopefully your listeners will get that. 259 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I see what you did there. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. 260 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: It's a huddle of a jo it's a hell of 261 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 2: a joke. 262 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you and your humor, how do we navigate that? 263 00:14:36,840 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: Because we're not going to have a world without tech, 264 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: and neither do we want it, and you and I 265 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: need it. We need it right now, we need is there? 266 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: I know there's no three step, but like a how 267 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: do you advise people if you do on that balance 268 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: between using it when you need it not turning your 269 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: brain into cerebral mush because you're staring at a screen 270 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: twenty hours a day. And like, I think a lot 271 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: about because my brain is basically that's my tool, that's 272 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: my work tool. Like that's I need my brain to 273 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: be somewhere close to optimal, whatever my optimal is, so 274 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: that I can do what I'm doing Now. I can focus, 275 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: I can study, I can present the crowd so I 276 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: can have good recall, I can all that important kind 277 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: of brain stuff. And so the thing I almost I 278 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: get more scared of cognitive decline than physical decline. I'm 279 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: scared of both, but I'm more scared of my brain 280 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: declining because my job is dependent on it. What are 281 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: your thoughts around how do we use tech without turning 282 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: ourselves into fucking mindless cyborgs? 283 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean most of my patients, we're trying to 284 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 2: get them to use health tech so I can help 285 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 2: them help themselves. I have a few patients, so it's 286 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: the opposite. But I have a few patients that have 287 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 2: this paralysis by analysis. Right, They've got you know, lab 288 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: tests every month that they've achieved, and it's you know, 289 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 2: hundreds of markers, and you know, they've got their their 290 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: whoop on one hand, the Apple Watch on the other hand, 291 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: and and they bring it in their sleep app data 292 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: and so it's too much, you know. So they've got 293 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: some new I'm going to call it tech superimposed on tech. 294 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: They've got these aggregators where you the data uploads to 295 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: this aggregator and it sort of organizes it. It's like 296 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 2: an AI I guess and organizes it and tracks it. 297 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 2: So you don't have people come to me with all 298 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 2: kinds of different reports and stuff. And what I need 299 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 2: is a dashboard for them. Yeah, right, So what I 300 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 2: think I think that the data is it's okay to 301 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: have lots of lots of crazy data. What we need 302 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 2: is a hey, chill down, calm down, let's organize it 303 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: in a way we can all use it so we're 304 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 2: not all, you know, anxious about all these data points. 305 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 2: Because the beauty of AI is you can have missing 306 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: data points and still have robust analysis analyses. 307 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: You know, I want to talk to you about this 308 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: thing you probably don't know much about, but you've heard 309 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: about it. It's called regenerative medicine. 310 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: Tell me more. 311 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: Well, look, I mean it's a thing. People are doing it. 312 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: You know, it's new, it's fancy. It's not new, it's 313 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: not fancy. Can you explain to well, it's going to 314 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: say people and me, what are the what's the core 315 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 1: idea at the heart of regenerative medicine, Like, what's the 316 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 1: kind of the underlying principle or philosophy of regenerative medicine 317 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: versus for one of a better term, traditional medicine or 318 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 1: Western medicine. 319 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: At its core, our bodies are programmed to heal and repair. 320 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 2: They lose the strength of that repair and restorative ability 321 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:40,240 Speaker 2: with age and with inflammation, and regenerative medicine seeks to 322 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: tap back into that youthful healing biology with by either 323 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 2: borrowing that sells signal from a more youthful source or 324 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 2: somehow amplifying the source internally so it can heal, you 325 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 2: can heal something or help reduce inflammation and effect on 326 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: a like a younger person, even if it's temporary. 327 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, So explain to me and our listeners because I 328 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: want to come back to what you were just done. 329 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: But so biohacking, which is kind of a bro science term, 330 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: that's becoming Am I right in saying it's becoming more 331 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: accepted and more mainstream? 332 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's not. 333 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: This weird, weird cousin outlier, is it anymore? 334 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: No, not anymore. It was at the beginning. I agree 335 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 2: with you, it was this you know cultish, you do 336 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: what you know. And I can tell you because I 337 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: participate in a lot of in person events here in 338 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 2: the States in the biohacking realm, and it used to 339 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: be there was one sort of conference here. Now there 340 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: is a conference, one or two conferences or events monthly 341 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 2: at a national level, and many more smaller ones even 342 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,720 Speaker 2: at a more regional or local level. It is a 343 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 2: movement that has certainly taken root and has traction. 344 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: And what in the last I don't know, five to 345 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: ten years, has kind of beginning to flourish and beginning 346 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: to open doors and it's stepping out of the weed 347 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 1: space into the oh, this is actually a thing. This 348 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: is where we're saying. You know, lots of people try 349 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: these want to bed term alternate approaches or therapies or 350 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: you know, what's what's kind of what's taking off? 351 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 2: Well, m but gone, no, I got I got you. 352 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 2: I think regenerative medicine would be one element. I mean 353 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: that certainly overlaps with biohacking significantly. Number two, and probably 354 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,520 Speaker 2: the more recent one is peptides. I mean that they 355 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: are growing like crazy. It's hard to keep them in 356 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 2: stock these various suppliers, and you know, my patients are 357 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 2: asking about it. I think I mentioned this when we 358 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 2: were on a broadcast previously. I'm at the gym, I'm 359 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 2: sitting in the sauna and there are a lot of young, 360 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: you know, young guys in there. In there, they're all 361 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 2: talking about peptides. Yeah. Right, you know, they all seem 362 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: to know a lot. So it's whether they're on Reddit 363 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 2: or wherever they're they're getting this information, it's they seem 364 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 2: to know what they're talking about. So what peptides are 365 00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,160 Speaker 2: game changers in many ways, and we stack them with 366 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 2: with the regenitives now too. So most of my patients 367 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: doing joint spine procedures, we're talking about doing a wolverine 368 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 2: protocol or something with that. 369 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: The wolverine protocol, that's the best marketing. Ever, get me 370 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: on that. From a research and a science point of view, 371 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: it seems that And I'm not disagreeing with you because 372 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: a bunch of my friends use peptides, and I've used 373 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: a few peptides. I don't use anything at the moment, 374 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:53,199 Speaker 1: but I used CJC twelve ninety five. I think it 375 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: was IOD nine six four. I think there's one that 376 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: seems to be like catching fire, but it's illegal in 377 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: Australia or it's only under certain whatever bp C one 378 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: five seven is that? 379 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 2: Is that? 380 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: Now? That's the one that that Gary Brecker. I'm sure 381 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: you know who Gary Breker is. 382 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 2: I know Gary, Sure, he seems to champion that. I mean, yeah, 383 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 2: well that's that's sort of, you know, a very basic peptide. 384 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: The BPC is body protection compound one five seven and 385 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 2: three from muscular, skeletal and gut issues and we have 386 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 2: great success with that. It's part of it's part of 387 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 2: the wolverine. You know. Yes, so that's a legal way. 388 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 2: Why what do you you? 389 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: I don't know, you can't it's in Australia, you you know, 390 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a very interesting landscape from a medical 391 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 1: and a pharmaceutical point of view, what what people can 392 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: you know? Like over here, if you are a you know, 393 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: a sixty or sixty five or fifty year old dude 394 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 1: and you're your testosteroneers through the floor and we're not 395 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 1: talking about bodybuilding anyone. We're not talking about massive muscles. 396 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 1: We're just talking about a normal hormone or the dominant 397 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: male hormone. And you feel shit and you've got no 398 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: sex drive, and you've got no energy, and you're a 399 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: bit sad and you're depressed, and everything else is relatively okay, 400 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: but your testosterone is through the floor. It's almost impossible 401 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: to get prescribed in Australia. Yeah, so it's just I 402 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 1: feel like it's five ten fifty, probably ten fifteen, twenty 403 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: years behind the States in terms of but the moment 404 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: over here, you mentioned something like TRT, you know, testosterone 405 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: replacement therapy in a clinical application like we're talking about now. 406 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: Because we're such an ignorant population, we're going, oh, you're 407 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: going on steroids, and it's like, oh my god. So 408 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: it's just got it's almost a branding problem or a 409 00:22:56,920 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: marketing problem or a you know, people don't really understand 410 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: like that, And I definitely don't understand anything that you do, 411 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: but the physiological and the endochronological realities of you know, 412 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: what can work and what is problematic, you know, and 413 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: not just compounds but doses, you know, dosages, and yeah, 414 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 1: it's it's it's a little bit nine ninety five over here. 415 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:28,520 Speaker 2: Well, listen for those listeners in your neck of the words. 416 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 2: If you want to age at the rate you're aging, 417 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: don't take testars from replacement. Gentlemen. If you want to 418 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: age slower, maintain your muscle mass, have the energy and motivation, 419 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 2: drive and mindset of a younger man. Take testas from 420 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: replacement anywhere you can get it. If you have to 421 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 2: leave Australia to go get get pellettes put in every 422 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 2: four or five months, that might be the way to 423 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 2: do it. 424 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: Tell me about that. So they inject a pellette and 425 00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: what is that a time release slow release, but. 426 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 2: A few of them it's just a little nick usually 427 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 2: in the side of the hip, superficial. They just inject 428 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: some some numbing agent and then slide these things in 429 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 2: there and then put a sticker, you know, a tape 430 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 2: on it heels up and they dissolve over four or 431 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 2: five six months, depending on the on the nature of them, 432 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 2: and you get a slow like you said, a slow 433 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: time release of the hormone. Uh, and that that could 434 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 2: be a solution because there's probably somewhere not far from you. 435 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 2: Uh you have to cross water to get there, I'm sure, 436 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 2: but where you can get this right. 437 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 1: So it looks like I'm kind of vigas everyone. 438 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, come to Vegas. We we have people that do it. 439 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: But that that is a is a simple way I 440 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 2: prefer doing for myself. I do an injection once a week. Yeah, 441 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: it's myself. It's just easy. A lot of people do that. 442 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: They now have an oral form. I'm not super versed 443 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: in it, and it's hard to measure the response in 444 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 2: the labs. You have to do it strategically. But that's 445 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: out there. But and they have a cream you can use. 446 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: I personally don't absorbent, so I did that for a while. 447 00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 2: Now I'm doing the injections. 448 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: Mm hm wow. And what is that like one hundred 449 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: milligrams a week or something in that ballpark. 450 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 2: I don't have it in front of me, but it is. 451 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: It might be about about right. 452 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow. It's so it's so funny to watch 453 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: not only medicine, but health care in general, and nutrition 454 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: and even you know, exercise and all of these variables 455 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: that impact how a person operates and functions and ages. 456 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 1: To see that the changes in thinking over the year, 457 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: and that well, in some cases, in some countries, the 458 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: lack of change. But I see that. I don't know 459 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 1: if this is in your wheelhouse, but it was just interesting. 460 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: You know, Donald Trump came out, amongst all the myriad 461 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 1: of things he's signed, he's talking about a link between 462 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,639 Speaker 1: paracetamol and autism. Did you hear that? 463 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 2: Yes? 464 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: What what are your thoughts on that? 465 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 2: I haven't looked at the basic science behind it, but 466 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 2: I don't think you would see Robert F. Kennedy Junior 467 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 2: and mister President Trump, you know, saying what they're saying, 468 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,480 Speaker 2: Uh if if if there wasn't some evidence showing the 469 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 2: potential Lenk link between autism and uh you know, we 470 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 2: call it acetam inafin you called a paracetamol uh during pregnancy, 471 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:51,199 Speaker 2: so you know, we we it's not natural, right, it's 472 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:55,600 Speaker 2: it's not a naturally occurring substance. So anything, we need 473 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: to reduce these links because the costs of society for 474 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 2: this huge number of people here in the States with 475 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: artism spectral disorders is a big issue. 476 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 1: Do you think it's Do you think there are that 477 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: many more people like there's such a there's way more 478 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: people with autism or you know, expressing or demonstrating different 479 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 1: I guess symptoms for one a better terms on the spectrum. 480 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: Or is it just that we've got more testing, more 481 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,199 Speaker 1: awareness and it's for one of better terms, easier to 482 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: get diagnosed or more likely to be diagnosed because we're 483 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 1: just everybody's being tested. 484 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: Well, I mean all children are observed during their upbringing, 485 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 2: even if they're not tested. Yea. Even even when we 486 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 2: were younger, Craig, you know that there were those children 487 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: that misbehaved or couldn't you know, maintain their attention. There 488 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 2: are so very few, at least in my experience. So 489 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: I think there is actually a shift and increase in 490 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 2: the epidemiologic numbers of these patients. So so I don't 491 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: think it's just an observation or a testing bias. I 492 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: think it's an actual actual statistical move. Yeah. 493 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: And do you think not not what's the cause, but 494 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: what do you think is some of the you know, 495 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: potential correlates or factors that might so, you know, lifestyle 496 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: and additives and preservatives and all of those, all of 497 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,960 Speaker 1: those unnatural things that we're shoving into bodies. 498 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 2: I do. I think I think a lot of it's 499 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: in the diet. And I think, you know, there's a 500 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 2: really really good, compelling evidence looking at some of the vaccines. 501 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,360 Speaker 2: Too many vaccines now, you know, when we were a kid, 502 00:28:55,760 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: just a few, right, and now it's many, so, you know, 503 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 2: too much monkeying with our genome with that too much. 504 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 2: So you know, we might find there are multiple reasons 505 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 2: for that. So it's it's not entirely clear yet. But 506 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 2: just like if you had if you had some issues 507 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 2: and your docor said, you know, we're going to try 508 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: an elimination diet on you. We're going to take away 509 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: most things dairy, gluten, you know, and we're gonna we're 510 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 2: gonna see if you feel better. Then we'll slowly add 511 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 2: one back at a time to see what causes it. 512 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: That's kind of what we're doing here. We're just saying, Okay, 513 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: what are all the things that may be causing it. 514 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 2: Let's take some of those back and then we can 515 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 2: see if we need to add them back one at 516 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: a time to the to society to see what the 517 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 2: issue is. You know, there's a problem. I mean it's 518 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: it's evident there's an issue, something's going on. 519 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: And is there a common theme with your patients, like 520 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: what's the what's at the top of the list in 521 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,720 Speaker 1: terms of reasons why people knock on your door. 522 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 2: Well, because my background is in spine and muscular skeletal 523 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 2: structural parts. My super niche is you know, cartilage regeneration, 524 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:13,280 Speaker 2: joint and spine treatment with regeneritive medicine injections to help 525 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 2: people prevent the need for joint replacement surgeries. 526 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,960 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow, And so uh is it pay pay? Plate 527 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: rich plight let rich plasm is in that wheel excuse 528 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: my ignorance, not my spice obviously, but that's in that wheelhouse. 529 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. That would be sort of the low end entry 530 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 2: level approach. The next level would be the stem cell 531 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,920 Speaker 2: or stem cell drive exosome cell signaling approach. That's where 532 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: we are. So I don't dabble in the platelet rich 533 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: plasma because it's so many you know, you can get 534 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,360 Speaker 2: that anywhere here in the States, and it you know, 535 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 2: it may help. If it helps, you don't need me, great, 536 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,719 Speaker 2: If it doesn't work, then come see me. We'll take 537 00:30:59,760 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: it up. 538 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: Notch and what's what's taking it up? And notch, what's 539 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: on that? 540 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 2: Like what's on that stem cell? Stem cells and their 541 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 2: exisomes are much more powerful and sell signaling than play 542 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: the rich plasma. Play the rich plasma, especially if you're 543 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 2: my age, you know, pushing sixty or your age, you know, 544 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 2: pushing sixty two, That our plasma that you know are 545 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 2: unless you have super super clean plasma. It's not it's 546 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 2: not that young stuff. You want that young stuff? 547 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, where do I get me some of that young stuff? 548 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: That's what I want. That's what I want. And so 549 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: broadly speaking, is it seems like integrated medicine in this 550 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: more kind of a regenerative medicine, I should say, is 551 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: becoming like a lot more accepted, not not just medically, 552 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 1: but culturally and socially. It's not you're not weird anymore. 553 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: If you're doing that, you're not the outlier so much anymore. 554 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: If I went to uh went back to the old 555 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: neurosurgery conferences, I would be the outlier. But when I 556 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 2: go to the regenerate of medicine, biohacking, health span conferences. 557 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 2: I am the mainstream, so it just depends on your circle. 558 00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 2: The Uh it's except that people are seeking it more 559 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: and more. It's it's in the airwaves, you know, celebrities 560 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,479 Speaker 2: doing it. It's in media. Joe Rogan, who you know 561 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 2: also has a podcast almost as good as yours, speaks 562 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 2: to it. Mel Gibson has done it, you know, he's 563 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: looking to it a lot others. I guess the Kardashians 564 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 2: did something. So that's if it's good enough for the Kardashians, 565 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: it's good enough for everybody, right. 566 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, Ruggan's constantly pumping it. There's a guy, there's 567 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: a place that he goes to. He also goes to 568 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 1: down to Mexico to get stuffed done. 569 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 2: There. He promotes a place in Tijuana. 570 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,400 Speaker 1: Wise to well. 571 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 2: It's called cp I, it's called CPR. But but because 572 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 2: he's he's close with Dana White. Dana White, yeah, uh yeah, 573 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 2: Gary treated Dana of course and then and this is 574 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 2: all public, so we're not breaking any place yet. Uh. 575 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 2: Dana Dana's fighters, Uh yes, sometimes on Joe Rogan show, 576 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 2: and they have a connection, so they send the fighters 577 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,080 Speaker 2: down to that place in Tijuana. But have you You've 578 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 2: probably never been to Tijuana, but let me just say it's, uh, 579 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 2: it's an interesting place. Yeah I have, I haven't been 580 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 2: there in many years. It would be not it would 581 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 2: be not necessarily the safest place to go. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, 582 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 2: there's a lot of you know, it was one of 583 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 2: the major uh you know, drug distribution points. You you've 584 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 2: got Netflix down there. You've seen these show Narcos and narcos. Yeah, 585 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 2: so the Plaza, I mean it's right down there. 586 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very well. The UFC is massive and Dana 587 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: White like not so much with my female listeners, some 588 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: of them, but yeah, the UFC you know, is on 589 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 1: a part in Australia in terms of like obviously we 590 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,359 Speaker 1: don't have the same population, but there's quite a lot 591 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: of Ozzie UFC fighters and you know, I know a 592 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: lot of bullheads and meatheads and fighters and trainers and 593 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: coaches and yeah, they love the UFC and they loved 594 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: Dana and it's like, although he's a character, but I 595 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,719 Speaker 1: think he well I don't think. I know, he came 596 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: out not too long ago and he said I will 597 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: never go to a medical doctor ever again unless it's 598 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: some kind of you know, but in terms of just 599 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: his normal health. Because and again this is just what 600 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: he said. And by the way, I went to a 601 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: doctor about a week ago, and the week before that 602 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: medical doctors, so I'm not canning doctors. But yeah, he 603 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: said he's never ever felt better, function better, His brain's 604 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: never worked better, his body has never worked better. On 605 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: the protocol that he and Gary Brecker and I'm sure 606 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: a few others kind of developed him. But if looks 607 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: or anything to go by, he literally looks ten years 608 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: younger than he did a couple of years ago. 609 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, he's he's certainly a poster child for 610 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 2: health and wellness, you know, naturally and doing the right stuff. 611 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 2: But he did the work. You can't just be told 612 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 2: the work. You have to do the work. 613 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 1: So yeah, one hundred percent. And I think, like I 614 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,399 Speaker 1: saw him to a walk through his office and he's 615 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,280 Speaker 1: got all this state of the art, you know, plunge 616 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 1: pools and saunas and training equipment and you know, like 617 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's like a bloody Olympic compound. 618 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: They're right up the street here, They're literally fifteen minute 619 00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: drive from where I'm speaking to you now. We drive 620 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:55,160 Speaker 2: right by it all the time. 621 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm so conflicted about that sport because I love the 622 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: I love the athleticism and the skill and the power 623 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: and you know, everything of course, except the brain damage. 624 00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: It's like, I just I'm like, if only there was 625 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: if only that sport could exist without TBI, you know, 626 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: if only we could have that where guys and women 627 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: are not kicking, elbowing and punching each other in the head. 628 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: Except for that, it's the ideal sport. But that's kind 629 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 1: of I really can't, as you know, as a health professional, 630 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 1: I can't get over it. But I will say it's 631 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,840 Speaker 1: my guilty pleasure watching them punch the fuck out of 632 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:41,719 Speaker 1: each other and the octagon do you ever go, I've 633 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: never been. 634 00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,399 Speaker 2: People have invited us because we're here in town, and 635 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 2: we're just it's just not it's not on my it's 636 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 2: not my appetite. Necessarily. Speaking of TBI, we have some 637 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,960 Speaker 2: interesting results now. We're treating some football players by football 638 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:00,279 Speaker 2: and American Football are. 639 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that we put. 640 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,360 Speaker 2: These stem cell derived exosomes in an easle spray and 641 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 2: without some really cool results because at the back of 642 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 2: the sinuses get right up to the brain, so and 643 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: they will travel the exosomes will travel across that blood 644 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 2: brain barrier pretty nicely. 645 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: It's amazing what they're the doors that they're opening now 646 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,479 Speaker 1: with cognitive stuff. And I know this is very low level, 647 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: but I've got two things. One is, you know that creatine. 648 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if you think anything of that, but 649 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: there's quite a lot of research now saying that high 650 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: dose creatine correlates with cognitive improvement. And you know, like 651 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty grams, not three to five grams, fifteen. I've 652 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: been doing that for six months. I've been doing probably, yeah, 653 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:52,440 Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty grams a day, and definitely you know, 654 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,840 Speaker 1: whether it's a placebo or not, I don't think it is, 655 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: because I don't think my expectations were high. But for me, 656 00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,040 Speaker 1: my yeah, my cognitive performance is definitely better than it 657 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,480 Speaker 1: was a year ago, which is nice. You know, there's 658 00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: a few other things when you sleep better and all that. 659 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: Of course. The other thing I spoke to a guy, well, firstly, 660 00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,399 Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on creds And I think we've 661 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: spoken on it. 662 00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 2: We have a big fan. I take it myself daily. 663 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 2: I haven't pushed it to twenty grams yet, but I 664 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,359 Speaker 2: don't have a problem doing that. It doesn't taste great, 665 00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 2: so you got to spread it out throughout the day. 666 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Yeah. We have a guy called doctor Bill 667 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: Sullivan who is from Indiana. I forget the name of 668 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: the uni, but Indiana State University. He's the head of 669 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,440 Speaker 1: biomedical science or something. He's a genius. And we're talking 670 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: the other day about lithium being lithium and the brain 671 00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,239 Speaker 1: and like, wow, I mean I still don't get it. 672 00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,080 Speaker 1: But he took me on a little me and the 673 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: listeners on a little bit of a ride. How that 674 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:02,240 Speaker 1: might be Maybe that might be something super promising moving forward. 675 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just read something on that. So you know, 676 00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:09,879 Speaker 2: lithium is a long standing treatment for bipolar disorder. Yes, 677 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:15,640 Speaker 2: but it's interesting that we have evolved on this planet 678 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 2: where there are certain phyto nutrients, plants, and certain minerals 679 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,239 Speaker 2: like lithium. Right, it comes from rocks, so yes, so 680 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 2: you know, and and our bodies processes do well with 681 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,000 Speaker 2: these things because we grew up around them, not grew up, 682 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 2: but you know, organismally grew up. So I'm very interested 683 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,440 Speaker 2: in stuff like that. The you know, what's what's the 684 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: basis of why do we need magnesium and sodium and 685 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 2: all these all these you know, you know elements in us. 686 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,359 Speaker 2: It's because they're they're part of our makeup and we 687 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 2: need them. 688 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:53,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So it feels like, yeah, so it'll be 689 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,279 Speaker 1: interesting to see what happens. It feels like every ten 690 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: minutes there's another breakthrough that's going to change humanity. And 691 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's like since since I first started working 692 00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: in gyms and started being a young dodgy bodybuilder in 693 00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty two, like oh, desiccated liver. Oh, there was 694 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: all this shit you wouldn't have even heard of. There 695 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,360 Speaker 1: was a supplement I took called frack. I don't know 696 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: even what it was. There's another thing called gamma oars 697 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: and all like, there were all of that. And this 698 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,040 Speaker 1: was just probably late eighties, when all of the individual 699 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: kind of amino acids you could get argentine and ornathene 700 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,520 Speaker 1: and lycene and carntine l carnateine and you could get 701 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: them all individually and they tasted like shit. It was 702 00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,560 Speaker 1: just this white powder. Oh my god, you know, and 703 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:44,359 Speaker 1: everything that you could get legally I would take and 704 00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it did nothing. You know, I was 705 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 1: just nineteen twenty, I probably didn't need anything except food. 706 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 2: Well it probably did help you, you know, build muscle, 707 00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 2: and yeah, especially the branch the lasians, the branch chains. Yeah, 708 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,760 Speaker 2: but yeah, we still need those. I think we probably 709 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 2: need them more than ever now in our sixties than 710 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 2: we did then. You're right, yeah, yeah, yeah. And by 711 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 2: the way, that we're back to these organ meats and 712 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 2: desiccated livers and things again, and they're very rich and 713 00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,640 Speaker 2: many of the things we need. So we see that 714 00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,399 Speaker 2: that's one of the that's that's making a resurgence. 715 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: Hey, I've got a medical question. I need some I 716 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: need a consult, So start your clock. 717 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,360 Speaker 2: I can fit you in next Tuesday. 718 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,400 Speaker 1: Now hit me in now. Hey, so I started taking 719 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,319 Speaker 1: hang on, it's in front of me doxy cycling, so 720 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: for my infection in my face. So I'm day fourteen. Now, 721 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 1: oh this is good. I'm glad you're here. So doxy 722 00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:55,920 Speaker 1: cycling one hundred milligrams a day. Today is day fourteen, 723 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:03,560 Speaker 1: and I've got another week if I need it, right, Yeah, okay, 724 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,399 Speaker 1: So that's part one. Part two is when I went 725 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,400 Speaker 1: to get the script at the pharmacy or chemist what 726 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,280 Speaker 1: do you call it in the States. Pharmacy. 727 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pharmacy. Yeah. 728 00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,720 Speaker 1: So at the pharmacy got the script and the lady 729 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,000 Speaker 1: who was great, said, you know, do you take a probiotic? 730 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:27,080 Speaker 1: And I said, sure, don't and she said, well, you know, 731 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: I would think about that, and I went, yeah, that's 732 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,799 Speaker 1: actually not the worst idea. How does that work? And 733 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,120 Speaker 1: if I take a probiotic, is the antibiotic going to 734 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,520 Speaker 1: fuck up the probiotic? And she's like, that's also a 735 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 1: good question, she said, so you maybe want to take 736 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: it at the opposite ends of the day, like eight 737 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: am and eight pm or something like that. So before 738 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:46,720 Speaker 1: I ask you another question, what are your thoughts on. 739 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 2: Just that before you mentioned probiotic that was already on 740 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,760 Speaker 2: my mind. On a course of antibiotics, it does kill 741 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 2: the bacteria that's causing your infection, but it also was 742 00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 2: killing the bacteria and you need to you know, digest 743 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 2: your food and help you with other things. So so yeah, 744 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:11,000 Speaker 2: I agree, you should be on a good probiotic, you know, 745 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,440 Speaker 2: twice a day on like she said, opposing the doses, 746 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,919 Speaker 2: and also probably for at least a few weeks. When 747 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 2: you stop the antibiotics to repopulate your gut, you can 748 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 2: also eat fermented foods. Yeah, and that that's another good 749 00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 2: way to help get that going again. But a great 750 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 2: I do a probiotic as a routine. Yeah, I'm a fan. 751 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,800 Speaker 2: Two thumbs ups for the probiotics. 752 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: So, like, I honestly feel and I don't know because 753 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: I'm taking different things now, but I feel so much better. 754 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,400 Speaker 1: I think I feel twenty percent better since I started 755 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: the probiotics, which was only like four days ago. Maybe 756 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,120 Speaker 1: that's a place bow and maybe it's real, don't know, 757 00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,719 Speaker 1: but I feel good anyway, I feel good right the 758 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,480 Speaker 1: one that I'm taking. I don't even know what this means. 759 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 1: It's like triple strength ninety six billion cfu. Yep, do 760 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:07,040 Speaker 1: you know what that means? Does that mean anything? 761 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,319 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, that's a good number. See if you as 762 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:15,879 Speaker 2: colony forming units, oh wow, probably means at least if 763 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,520 Speaker 2: you drop that in a future, dissu'd form ninety little 764 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:25,400 Speaker 2: dollops of bacterial growth. Wowty billions? 765 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,960 Speaker 1: So do you Is it your advice to me, and 766 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: this is not advice to anyone else audience, but to me, 767 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:35,000 Speaker 1: that I should maybe do one of these ongoing like 768 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: I would. 769 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:40,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, unless unless you're like, you know, when when you're 770 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 2: a kid and you're playing outside and you're getting your 771 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 2: hands dirty and touching yourself and getting dirt everywhere, and 772 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,760 Speaker 2: you know, you get soil in your mouth or whatever 773 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 2: you're you're probably getting probiotics. If you if you drink 774 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:02,800 Speaker 2: raw milk, like raw your eyes, raw milk, you're probably 775 00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:07,720 Speaker 2: getting probiotics. So so there there are people that probably 776 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,880 Speaker 2: don't need them, but most of us, you know, we're indoors. 777 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,759 Speaker 2: We're just not out there getting dirty enough, so we 778 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 2: need it. I would do it ongoing. 779 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, cool, you're the best, uh, doctor Jeff. Of course, 780 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:27,719 Speaker 1: re celebrate dot com. Go there, fly over see him 781 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,919 Speaker 1: if you're loaded, or even if you're not loaded, fly 782 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: over and see him because he's loaded. 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