Speaker 1: The Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Hello mate, wherever you're happy to be. Thank you so
Speaker 2: much for watching us this Monday night. Thank you to
Speaker 2: everyone who joined us in Newcastle. We had a lot
Speaker 2: of fun. You saw it on the Telecontinue your offer, it.
Speaker 1: Was as well.
Speaker 2: We're going to be in Mount Gambia for our next
Speaker 2: our town and wherever you happen to be tonight, you
Speaker 2: are right where you need to be because I've got
Speaker 2: one heck of a show for you, including what a
Speaker 2: surprise that old mate Albow.
Speaker 1: Is a little different with the Chinese than he is
Speaker 1: with the Americans. There's a reason for that. We'll get
Speaker 1: to it in a second.
Speaker 2: Two blokes that agree on nothing but for your viewing pleasure,
Speaker 2: they get to fight on TV.
Speaker 1: Nicholas Reese is the Lord Mirror of Melbourne.
Speaker 2: Mattcanavan, the free thinker from Queensland, and big news around
Speaker 2: ac DC. They're coming to Australia and Australia is loving
Speaker 2: the chance to be able to see the legendary rock band.
Speaker 2: But first breaking news. It's winter and in winter it's cold,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter if you've currently got your toe
Speaker 2: just sticking out of a blanket in broad beach or weather.
Speaker 2: Of course, you're in the middle of country New South
Speaker 2: Wales and a place like bag you are noticing, surprise, surprise.
Speaker 2: These months are always cold because it is winter. But but, but,
Speaker 2: my friends, there is a big little weather event, big
Speaker 2: little big weather event which is going to be taking
Speaker 2: place in the next few days and the media is
Speaker 2: loving what this one is cold. Now, remember it's winter,
Speaker 2: it's cold.
Speaker 1: It's not great.
Speaker 2: But get ready for a bomb cyclone whatever that.
Speaker 3: Is sounding the alarm over a dangerous weather system being
Speaker 3: called a bomb cyclone.
Speaker 4: A bomb cyclone is said to hit parts of New
Speaker 4: South Wales.
Speaker 1: This has been labeled a bomb cyclone.
Speaker 4: We're being worn tonight of a dangerous weather system called
Speaker 4: a bomb cyclone.
Speaker 2: This is the official terminology, not that the mediaHo has
Speaker 2: made up, but the one.
Speaker 1: Used by the bureau, which is why you are.
Speaker 2: Hearing it here on sky News, both in our news
Speaker 2: on the website and of course on Sky News Weather.
Speaker 1: This thing looks like it is going to have.
Speaker 2: An awful lot of wind in the next couple of days,
Speaker 2: a lot of rain in the next few days. Now,
Speaker 2: obviously a little further north, a little further south than
Speaker 2: where it is hitting is going to be slightly affected.
Speaker 2: But essentially the news of world's coast between they're talking
Speaker 2: about Cough's Harbor in the north all the way down
Speaker 2: to the south coast is where the problems are going
Speaker 2: to be. Full coverage on our weather channel tomorrow from midday.
Speaker 2: If you're living it, you know what it's going to
Speaker 2: be like. If you happy to be anywhere else in
Speaker 2: the country, make sure you're checking it out from midday tomorrow.
Speaker 2: The preparations are serious and again I'm happy for people
Speaker 2: to be over warned and things don't turn up as
Speaker 2: bad as they seem, rather than people being unprepared.
Speaker 1: But this is the stuff the sees is saying tonight.
Speaker 5: As we always say, it's really critical that you clean
Speaker 5: your gutters, that you move items that are loose that
Speaker 5: can be blown around, such as trampolines and outdoor furniture,
Speaker 5: tie them down or move them to secure location. Can
Speaker 5: you also please move any vehicles that you have away
Speaker 5: from any large trees.
Speaker 2: Alison Osborne is one of the great brains behind these
Speaker 2: Sky News weather offering, which you can see twenty four
Speaker 2: to seven on Foxdelle on Flash and through the sky
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Speaker 2: making sure that we will always be contactable. It's also
Speaker 2: a great way of staying in touch if you're outside
Speaker 2: of the areas where you would normally watch it, particularly
Speaker 2: on things like free to wear in regional Australia. So
Speaker 2: subscribe now to sky news dot com dot au. Allison
Speaker 2: recorded this for us just a couple of minutes ago
Speaker 2: about what to expect in the next few days.
Speaker 3: Thanks Paul.
Speaker 4: We are watching for the potential of a very dangerous
Speaker 4: weather event over the New South Wales coast on Tuesday,
Speaker 4: and this is due to an East Coast low Now,
Speaker 4: the low pressure system itself just formed off the Northern
Speaker 4: Rivers shortly afternoon and we can see a corresponding darkening
Speaker 4: of the radar echoes there, so some heavier rain throughout
Speaker 4: the day light of falls pulling southwards towards the Sydney
Speaker 4: area by nightfall. Now this system is being termed a
Speaker 4: bomb cycloe because of its potential to rapidly intensify during
Speaker 4: the day tomorrow.
Speaker 6: It's not a made up term.
Speaker 4: It's when a mid latitude low rapidly strengthens. The center
Speaker 4: pressure drops by more than twenty four hector pascals in
Speaker 4: twenty four hours, and this results in widespread at dangerous weather. Now,
Speaker 4: the four cars shows adjust that the system pulls southwards
Speaker 4: and intensifies. This phenomenon is also called explosive cyclogenesis, bomber
Speaker 4: genesis or bombing, so it is quite a dangerous weather event.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: In response to that.
Speaker 4: Center pressure dropping, the winds rushing in a clockwise direction
Speaker 4: to fill this void, and this is leading to intense
Speaker 4: rainfall rates. They're likely to ramp up over the mid
Speaker 4: North Coast tonight pull over the Hunter by the morning.
Speaker 4: For Sydney siders and those who live in the Illawarra,
Speaker 4: you're likely to feel that heavy rain ramp up during
Speaker 4: the afternoon and evening now damage you. Winds are a
Speaker 4: key threat here. They're likely to intensify as the system
Speaker 4: itself strengthens. We can see that very strong wind pushing
Speaker 4: in over the Hunter during the morning, then likely intensify
Speaker 4: over Sydney and surrounding areas of the New South Wales
Speaker 4: coast during Tuesday night and then throughout Wednesday. Winds are
Speaker 4: likely to be strong enough to bring down tree branches
Speaker 4: cause property damage and make for very dangerous driving conditions
Speaker 4: as well as triggering power outages.
Speaker 6: And it's for this entire coastal.
Speaker 4: Fringe south of about Coffs Harbor, but it also includes
Speaker 4: the New South Wales Northern Ranges and into southern Queensland.
Speaker 4: Now coastal hazard warnings are also in place warning of
Speaker 4: waves likely to cause coastal erosion. We can see it
Speaker 4: seas and swells likely to top four to five meters over
Speaker 4: that coastal fringe over the course of Tuesday.
Speaker 6: Night and into Wednesday.
Speaker 4: Now the system is likely to then pull southwards during
Speaker 4: Tuesday night, dragging the heavy rain with it, pulling at
Speaker 4: southwards all the way through to Victoria's Gippsland region. Looking
Speaker 4: at four chat our rainfall totals in these areas likely
Speaker 4: to exceed one hundred millimeters, including through Sydney. Heaviest area
Speaker 4: is likely to be the Ilaora, reaching two hundred milimeters.
Speaker 4: We'll have the latest on the details with this system
Speaker 4: on skine is whether channel six so one throughout the
Speaker 4: day on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Good one, Allison, thank you very much. Yes, so part
Speaker 2: of this and we all knew this right that if
Speaker 2: it goes down by twenty four Hector pascals within twenty
Speaker 2: four hours, then that's the beginning of what is going
Speaker 2: to be this bomb site clone.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Make sure that you keep your homepage as sky On
Speaker 2: News dot com dot au if you can get out
Speaker 2: there earlier in the day, settle things up, make sure
Speaker 2: that you again have as many things in.
Speaker 1: Safety as possible. Strap down if needed.
Speaker 2: Why because you don't want to be dealing with the
Speaker 2: consequences again. Our thoughts with people in areas like Tare,
Speaker 2: which you've been thumped about before, places like Liz Moore,
Speaker 2: which you've heard this too many times. They thankfully made
Speaker 2: it through the tropical extropical cyclone Alfred. May they do
Speaker 2: so again with what is going to be happening in
Speaker 2: the next couple of days.
Speaker 1: Either way, will be all the way across it the
Speaker 1: next couple of days.
Speaker 2: Now you know how excited I was when the President
Speaker 2: of the United States decided to take global diplomacy right
Speaker 2: into the shallow end and started dropping f bombs. And
Speaker 2: I personally as a intergalactic swearer, and I know some
Speaker 2: people don't like it, but still as an intergalactic swearer,
Speaker 2: I didn't mind that the leader of the free world
Speaker 2: was throwing around some swearing last week.
Speaker 7: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so
Speaker 7: long and so hard that they.
Speaker 3: Don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Speaker 2: Well, who knew that the first Australian politician, the first
Speaker 2: cab off the rank to join the ranks of the
Speaker 2: Trump sweary people, is the OsO woke Premier and dear
Speaker 2: leader of Victoria just into Alan.
Speaker 1: Now. She decided to throw around a.
Speaker 2: Little bit of swear today because, as you know, when
Speaker 2: the Labor.
Speaker 1: Party thought that they were going to go very.
Speaker 2: Close to losing the federal election, they thought one of
Speaker 2: the ways that would happen would because Victoria was going
Speaker 2: to whack them about pretty hard. Didn't end up happening,
Speaker 2: But that didn't mean that they didn't get a special
Speaker 2: boost to their GST fundings where the state randomly, out
Speaker 2: of nowhere, without seemingly asking for it, ended up with
Speaker 2: billions of dollars extra why because they wanted to pad
Speaker 2: up for the federal election. Now, of course there's only
Speaker 2: so much money in the GST pool. So where did
Speaker 2: it come from? Well, places like Queensland, where they talk
Speaker 2: about two and a half billion dollars out and why
Speaker 2: because their assumption was that this would all be it
Speaker 2: up in an LNP territory, even though it ended up
Speaker 2: being quite good for the Labor Party. They just thought, I,
Speaker 2: oh'll move money from Queensland. Who cares, that's a liberal government.
Speaker 2: Let's prop up our mates in the Labor Party. Well,
Speaker 2: in response, the Queensland Treasurer has pretty easily called it out.
Speaker 2: When you have had two and a half billion dollars
Speaker 2: taken away from what you can spend in in Queensland
Speaker 2: to be spent in Victoria, you say things like this.
Speaker 8: I think any fair minded person would look at the
Speaker 8: numbers and see the growth in GST and other jurisdictions
Speaker 8: over the last decade and see that Queensland has fallen behind.
Speaker 8: We have been panealized because of our investment in those
Speaker 8: industries like gas that other jurisdictions will not invest in.
Speaker 8: I don't think we should be penalized for that.
Speaker 2: Well, so how did justinter Allen? Who could be wokier
Speaker 2: than woke. She'd be just as happy in the Greens
Speaker 2: as she is in the left wing of the Labor Party,
Speaker 2: all the same thing in a place like Victoria.
Speaker 1: Well, she decided to go full Trump in response.
Speaker 4: Let me put it in language and in a way
Speaker 4: that the Queensland Treasurer can understand.
Speaker 6: It's just pulled right.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness for me.
Speaker 2: Now again, I don't mind this every now and then.
Speaker 2: But do you like the patronizing tone you could see
Speaker 2: while I was rolling through in her head? Was she
Speaker 2: going to say Queenslanders because you know, Queenslanders aren't the
Speaker 2: same as Victorians.
Speaker 1: I don't know. We're quickly changes to the Queensland.
Speaker 2: Treasurer because of course he's and war on because he's
Speaker 2: not from the same political party as the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: But I suggest that, unlike Donald Trump, who seemingly decided
Speaker 2: to swear because he was genuinely that frustrated with the
Speaker 2: situation that he was trying to deal with, this little
Speaker 2: be bomb is a distraction from other stories you see
Speaker 2: today in Victoria. We learned by the Australian Financial Review
Speaker 2: that Victoria's debt is amongst the worst in the world
Speaker 2: when you start to compare the size of the economy, populations,
Speaker 2: all the rest of it. And then, of course there
Speaker 2: was the screaming from the Herald Sun today, And I
Speaker 2: say screaming because it's.
Speaker 1: A big story. Victoria is going to get their own
Speaker 1: version of the Voice.
Speaker 2: Despite the fact that the good people of Victoria, when
Speaker 2: given a chance to introduce a voice into the federal Constitution,
Speaker 2: voted against it. Even woke Victoria fifty four to forty
Speaker 2: five said no, But they're going ahead and they're going
Speaker 2: to do it anyway. Why because you know they know
Speaker 2: better than the people of Victoria. So given that there
Speaker 2: was this analysis that they're debt is some of the
Speaker 2: worst in the world, or the government is going to
Speaker 2: do exactly the opposite of what the people voted for
Speaker 2: in a referendum.
Speaker 1: What do you reckon? Was the lead story tonight in Melbourne.
Speaker 9: The Premier has angrily dismissed claims Victoria is being financially
Speaker 9: propped up by other states.
Speaker 10: Queensland has gone on the attack, arguing it's fed up
Speaker 10: with being penalized for poor decisions made down south.
Speaker 2: Seriously, now, I always, as a great observer of news
Speaker 2: universe is a kid desperately wanting to be involved in
Speaker 2: it one day and being a young bloke, and now
Speaker 2: what I am being able to have seen this and
Speaker 2: seen this sausage made over so many years I don't
Speaker 2: understand why that many people have put these things together.
Speaker 2: Think that people are so stupid. Clearly, clearly, the bigger
Speaker 2: issue in Victoria is how long the debt is going
Speaker 2: to have to be paid off.
Speaker 1: Clearly clearly the.
Speaker 2: Bigger issue in terms of a government going exactly the
Speaker 2: opposite of the way the people vote, is an issue
Speaker 2: in and around democracy. Oh no, no, no state versus state.
Speaker 2: It's really easy for everyone to understand. So perhaps when
Speaker 2: the Premiere was dumbing things down for the Treasurer of Queensland,
Speaker 2: perhaps she was doing so for the media who would
Speaker 2: otherwise have to report on those really boring issues like
Speaker 2: the debt or the state government doing exactly the opposite
Speaker 2: of what the people wanted. Which brings us to what
Speaker 2: feel like moments in Australian society that it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: how many people like or dislike something, in this case
Speaker 2: dislike something, the machine just rolls on anyway.
Speaker 1: For example, how.
Speaker 2: Many poles, how many years, how many governments have told
Speaker 2: us the same thing. Australians believe too many people are
Speaker 2: coming into the country.
Speaker 11: Not because they dislike the people who are coming into
Speaker 11: the country or the countries from which they are coming.
Speaker 11: But because if you've got a rental queue that goes
Speaker 11: around the block, adding a few hundred thousand people to
Speaker 11: the rental queue is going to make it harder for
Speaker 11: somebody to find a place to rent. Adding more people
Speaker 11: to the auction is going to make it harder for
Speaker 11: your kids and your grandkids to be able to buy
Speaker 11: a house. But still Big Australia keeps marching on. Of course,
Speaker 11: tax Australians well and truly believe they are paying too
Speaker 11: much tax. And when you have a look, as we
Speaker 11: told you last night, now a million.
Speaker 1: A million public servants.
Speaker 2: Now we're not talking about nurses and teachers here, I'm
Speaker 2: talking about a million public servants. Do you feel fantastic
Speaker 2: that what it's going to be about Wednesday lunchtime is
Speaker 2: when you start working for yourself as opposed to working
Speaker 2: for the government. Well, another example seems to be welcome
Speaker 2: to country. Now, I honestly believe most people don't have
Speaker 2: a problem with welcome to country at significant events, in
Speaker 2: the same way that we don't sing the national anthem
Speaker 2: every time you're on a zoom call, in the same
Speaker 2: way that, again we don't thank the troops for their
Speaker 2: service at the start of every football game.
Speaker 1: People seem to believe that.
Speaker 2: There is a time and a place a should it
Speaker 2: exist at all or should it be in everything position?
Speaker 2: But again it doesn't matter how many polls keep coming.
Speaker 2: You know you have to very polite every single time.
Speaker 2: And if you don't, if you do not, as I say,
Speaker 2: often kiss the ring and not just kiss it, you
Speaker 2: must kiss it lovingly, then you are of course going
Speaker 2: to lose some social credit, which of course is the
Speaker 2: way the Chinese run their system, but you don't talk
Speaker 2: about that.
Speaker 1: Australians.
Speaker 2: According to a new Polsekynese dot com dot au pushback
Speaker 2: on welcome to Country ceremonies a pole from the Institute
Speaker 2: of Public Affairs and this one is interesting to read
Speaker 2: and see here whereas you can see, fifty six percent
Speaker 2: of people say that Welcome to Country has now become divisive.
Speaker 2: Forty nine percent of people say that work country should
Speaker 2: not be performed at sporting events at all, and Welcome
Speaker 2: to Country should not be performed on ends day. Forty
Speaker 2: six percent of people say yes to that proposition that
Speaker 2: it shouldn't be.
Speaker 1: They're twenty thirty.
Speaker 2: Four percent a year it should be and twenty percent
Speaker 2: still make up their mind. But isn't it interesting, you know,
Speaker 2: when there's an opinion poll that says we should legalize
Speaker 2: the more drug right, that's always used as a reason
Speaker 2: why we have to do something. Or of course if
Speaker 2: they like something, they turn around and say, well, this
Speaker 2: country's doing it, so why don't we Yet for some reason,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter how many times you're asked, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter how many people have their opinion. You will love it,
Speaker 2: and if you don't love it, you're a bad person.
Speaker 2: And a bad person is even worse than being a
Speaker 2: bad Australian, because being an Australian, well that's already bad
Speaker 2: to begin.
Speaker 1: With, isn't it.
Speaker 2: According to some of these people, which brings me to this,
Speaker 2: it's talk about the Prime Minister and his loving of
Speaker 2: certain world leaders if they're willing to talk to him. Remember,
Speaker 2: he was part of the B team, the reserve team,
Speaker 2: the bench of global leaders at the G seven day,
Speaker 2: of course, every country outside of the seven and allowed
Speaker 2: to even dine with the Seven that of course included,
Speaker 2: among others, the United States, And there was great fanfare
Speaker 2: and great hope that Albi would end.
Speaker 1: Up finally having his meeting, finally having his.
Speaker 2: Meeting with Donald Trump, because of course he's done four
Speaker 2: fifths bugger all to actually physically sit face to face
Speaker 2: with him from the day he won the election in
Speaker 2: November to January when he gets sworn in, and we
Speaker 2: are now on our way towards July and no face
Speaker 2: to face. Well, apparently the next time that might be
Speaker 2: an opportunity. Four a meeting with the President of the
Speaker 2: United States may well end up being a quad meeting. Now,
Speaker 2: this is going to be really full on if we
Speaker 2: can't get some FaceTime because there's only four countries involved
Speaker 2: in the cord and if we can't get face to
Speaker 2: face in a four way meeting, then.
Speaker 1: We're in a world of trouble. So most likely, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where it's going to be.
Speaker 2: But I just want everyone to remember here, while the
Speaker 2: majority of Australians don't like Donald Trump, the Australian Prime
Speaker 2: Minister has not met face to face with the new
Speaker 2: Prime minister November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June,
Speaker 2: and we keep going past July. When asked about it,
Speaker 2: of course, the greatest Prime minister of all time, well
Speaker 2: doesn't care why, because it's good for him politically to
Speaker 2: have problems with Donald Trump, despite the fact that when
Speaker 2: give a choice between America leading the world or China
Speaker 2: leading the world, all good and decent human beings know
Speaker 2: America should be at the head of the table, not China. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I said, it is your preference to have a face
Speaker 2: to face Oval office meeting with the President rather than
Speaker 2: waiting for the quad for instance.
Speaker 12: I think where the meeting takes place is less important
Speaker 12: than what comes out of the meeting.
Speaker 1: Frankly, and I know there is a.
Speaker 12: Focus on this laser like focus on this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, laser like, Oh, laser like, this is a pretty
Speaker 2: bad laser. We have not been able to hit the target.
Speaker 2: Now again, we know the Australian media is obsessed with
Speaker 2: this meeting because they want it to fail, because they
Speaker 2: want to judge the body language of Orange Man bad,
Speaker 2: because they want our prime minister to be like other
Speaker 2: prime ministers who seemingly have benefited from being on the
Speaker 2: opposite side of issues when it comes to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: On all of this, We'll have a chat to Laura
Speaker 2: Jays in the United States in a moment or two's
Speaker 2: time about this before we get into our debate tonight
Speaker 2: between Nicholas Reese and with Mcanavan. But the reason this
Speaker 2: meeting has to take place is because, yes, it was
Speaker 2: America's decision to introduce a ten percent global tariff on
Speaker 2: every country, including Australia that will affect things like our
Speaker 2: steel and the importation of our steel to the United States. Well,
Speaker 2: ABC News America is saying there was a ninety day
Speaker 2: pause and there probably won't be another ninety day pause,
Speaker 2: meaning the tariffs could kick in as early as.
Speaker 1: Ten days time from now.
Speaker 2: So thirty days have June, April and November right then
Speaker 2: July July, ten days from now. When will Australia get
Speaker 2: face to face with the President of the United States.
Speaker 1: Well, certainly not in the next ten days, but don't
Speaker 1: worry about it. Meantime.
Speaker 2: Amazingly, amazingly, the Chinese have had a little bit to say.
Speaker 2: And remember that Anthony Aberneze has been very open about
Speaker 2: no country gets to tell us what to do, unless,
Speaker 2: of course, China.
Speaker 1: Don't say that, don't say that. Well, the Chinese ambassador
Speaker 1: wrote an opinion piece in the Australian newspaper today and
Speaker 1: this just gaslighting, gaslighting.
Speaker 2: Remember this is the bloke who had twelve different conditions
Speaker 2: for Australia. Australia with the bad guys because we wanted
Speaker 2: some answers about a global pandemic. But then, of course
Speaker 2: everything's great with Elbow, because of course he doesn't rock
Speaker 2: the boat, never says anything bad about the Chinese in exchange.
Speaker 1: Jeez.
Speaker 2: Magically, people that have never voted labor in their life
Speaker 2: have voted labor in the past two elections. Now I'm
Speaker 2: going to see here shush by playing up international and
Speaker 2: region tensions and slandering China's normal military build up. They
Speaker 2: are making fake islands. They are going around Australia, circumnavigating
Speaker 2: with naval ships. They are doing live fire exercises between
Speaker 2: here and New Zealand. I don't know, but it's us
Speaker 2: making it up. These countries are merely seeking nothing but
Speaker 2: excuses to drastically grow their military spending. He's talking about
Speaker 2: America and NATO, even arbitrarily reaching beyond its geographical scope
Speaker 2: and mandate.
Speaker 1: NATO countries already.
Speaker 2: Accounts for fifty five percent of the world's total military
Speaker 2: spending in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: So what.
Speaker 3: So what?
Speaker 2: It's not just about the military threat, what about the
Speaker 2: intelligence threat? What about the fact that China has that
Speaker 2: International Space station that is not connected to the International
Speaker 2: Space Station. Okay, I know there's a lot of people
Speaker 2: making a lot of money out of a relationship business
Speaker 2: relationships between Australia and China. I know that the government
Speaker 2: wants a better relationship with China because it helps them electorally.
Speaker 1: Here, but I'm sorry if there is a.
Speaker 2: Choice between getting closer to America or closer to China.
Speaker 2: While it may be financially difficult for some, we must
Speaker 2: remain closer to the United States, regardless of whether it's
Speaker 2: dope be Joe Biden or Orange Man bad that is
Speaker 2: the president of the United States. Can I continue here again?
Speaker 2: This in the Australian newspaper today. Behind the so called
Speaker 2: China threat lies a certain countries desire to maintain their
Speaker 2: Hedgeimney again code. The US should not be the leader
Speaker 2: of the world. It should be them.
Speaker 1: They are trapped in their own inertia. Fair, I'm not
Speaker 1: reading the rest of it. It's crap.
Speaker 2: Well, let's see how the Prime Minister responds here. Remember
Speaker 2: how many times he said this when the Americans were
Speaker 2: telling us about our defense spending.
Speaker 12: My job is to look after Australia's national interest that
Speaker 12: includes our defense and security interests. And that's precisely what
Speaker 12: we are doing.
Speaker 13: Approach here and is very clear, which is we will
Speaker 13: ensure that Australia has the capability that we need. Australia
Speaker 13: should decide what we spend on Australia's defense, simple as that.
Speaker 1: So how did the handsome boy do today? What did
Speaker 1: the hands The Chinese ambassador speaks for China.
Speaker 12: My job is to speak for Australia and it's in
Speaker 12: Australia's national interest for us to invest in our capability
Speaker 12: and to invest in our relationships.
Speaker 1: And we're doing just that.
Speaker 2: Pass pass but only just. But again, priorities, the priorities
Speaker 2: of this Prime Minister when he came to office was
Speaker 2: to sort things out with China as fast as possible.
Speaker 2: Why because there was the economic consequences that came back, heinks,
Speaker 2: why there was a whole series of meetings and eventually
Speaker 2: the face to face no such urgency that we can
Speaker 2: publicly see about trying to get to meet with Donald
Speaker 2: Trump now again when I hope they get together, and
Speaker 2: I hope they get together, I hope the meeting goes well.
Speaker 2: I hope everyone's happy, and I hope that the government
Speaker 2: gets the best result for Australia. I am not cheering
Speaker 2: against Australia in this scenario. I'm just say I'm good
Speaker 2: A Blowers walking both sides of the street. This is
Speaker 2: each way albow either at his diplomatic finness or more
Speaker 2: likely knowing that the financial eggs are in one basket,
Speaker 2: the security eggs are in another.
Speaker 1: And anyone who knows.
Speaker 2: When you've got both sides of a barbei offence, it
Speaker 2: eventually hurts. Now a couple of other things worth talking
Speaker 2: about here before we talk to our dear friend Laura
Speaker 2: Jays in the United States about that and a whole
Speaker 2: lot more in a moment. Are you somebody who is
Speaker 2: starting to use your mobile phone for health advice? Please don't,
Speaker 2: please don't.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I know for a generation we've had doctor Google where
Speaker 2: people are double checking my symptoms are this, and surprise, surprise,
Speaker 2: that always comes back You've got about two weeks to live.
Speaker 2: But there are people that are using AI now to
Speaker 2: basically type in a whole bunch of symptoms to tell
Speaker 2: them what is wrong with them.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal. All of these things are good for
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Speaker 1: A moment or two's time. A couple of other.
Speaker 2: Things quickly to mention here too, which is the mushroom trial. Well,
Speaker 2: now the jury is off towards formal deliberations. Now anyone
Speaker 2: who knows the jury process knows there's not just the
Speaker 2: twelve people that sit in the jury box, but there
Speaker 2: are two alternates. Because no one was booted off the jury,
Speaker 2: there was no need for the alternatives. So today decision
Speaker 2: was made amongst those fourteen fourteen names and the hat
Speaker 2: because you've sat and you've watched everything, and they have
Speaker 2: all then they picked twelve and two sat through the
Speaker 2: whole trial, but have no further role to play.
Speaker 1: Slightly trading.
Speaker 2: But one of the things that was said to the
Speaker 2: jury today in its instructions from the bench was that
Speaker 2: you can't be fifty to fifty on this. You've got
Speaker 2: to all be in one place to find the accused guilty.
Speaker 10: The decision it needs to be unanimous, So all twelve
Speaker 10: jury members need to decide on the same verdict, and
Speaker 10: if they don't, that means the trial could end in
Speaker 10: a hung jury.
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Speaker 2: Laura in the United States and then off to our
Speaker 2: debate in a moment or two is time. Thanks for
Speaker 2: watching this Monday night. It's a big ACDC news next
Speaker 2: as well. Oh how good are they? How good are they? ACDC?
Speaker 2: And as you know, they are coming back to Australia.
Speaker 2: Maide Nicholas Reese is going to go out of his
Speaker 2: way to celebrate them in Melbourne. I'll have a chat
Speaker 2: about that in the second or two is time.
Speaker 1: But how good is this?
Speaker 2: Acdc's Power Up Tour has set new concert box office
Speaker 2: records in its first few days.
Speaker 1: Fans who made it out of the lounge to the.
Speaker 2: Checkout snapped up houses three hundred and twenty thousand tickets
Speaker 2: and they did it all in less than a day.
Speaker 2: They'll be here in November and December. They are at
Speaker 2: the Melbourne crioekt Ground on November twelve, November twenty one
Speaker 2: at a Core Stadium. See again, there's a little gap
Speaker 2: between shows once you hit a certain age you're allowed
Speaker 2: to do so they've got family to.
Speaker 1: Drop in on of course as well.
Speaker 2: Now the one I'm going to be going to is
Speaker 2: going to be November thirty because they are part of
Speaker 2: the Supercar's Grand Final.
Speaker 1: How cool is that?
Speaker 2: Supercars during the day, so you can see the broom brooms,
Speaker 2: you'll see the title, you'll see ac DC.
Speaker 1: Pretty amazing, right.
Speaker 2: They're also going to make their way opt A Stadium
Speaker 2: in Perth, sun Corps Stadium in Brisbane in December is
Speaker 2: where they are going to be.
Speaker 1: Now, a person.
Speaker 2: Who loves a concert, I don't know if she's ever
Speaker 2: been to an ac DC concert. I hope she's going
Speaker 2: to the Chris Stapleton concert, which I just checked is
Speaker 2: in Greenville, South Carolina this weekend. Is none other than
Speaker 2: the wonderful Laura Jays, our newsday host who is in
Speaker 2: the United States covering things for us. You off to
Speaker 2: Chris Stapleton because now I've mentioned her on TV. It's
Speaker 2: probably a tax ride off.
Speaker 6: I wish Paullie. I wish Paulie. I wish I went
Speaker 6: twice in Sydney. I've heard all my favorite songs. That's
Speaker 6: still not enough for me, but I have to get
Speaker 6: my fil with ACDC. I'll be home by the weekend.
Speaker 6: I'm hosting our Economic forum on Saturday, so of course
Speaker 6: you know I'm flying private home, so I'll be fine.
Speaker 2: Please, Yeah, got a little PJ. That's fine, all right,
Speaker 2: So bing bang boom. Let's talk about now. Of course, Washington,
Speaker 2: d C. I mean literally from Shelley's back room, great Cigaba,
Speaker 2: all the way, every bar is just talking about Kevin Rudd,
Speaker 2: the Australian ambassador, and whether we will or won't get
Speaker 2: a meeting re is. We talk about this a lot
Speaker 2: more than I think even the people whose job it
Speaker 2: is to organize it in Washington talk about it. But Laura,
Speaker 2: those tariffs matter because the ten percent on every country
Speaker 2: it was held off for ninety days. That ninety days
Speaker 2: runs out in ten days from now.
Speaker 6: Yep, yeah, that's right. And Donald Trump has said, yes,
Speaker 6: say in a Fox News interview that it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 6: He doesn't worry about the timeline or the deadline. He's
Speaker 6: just going to send letters to countries that he hasn't
Speaker 6: negotiated with. So the world is in limbo. Australia in
Speaker 6: all of that we're being treated like a third ty
Speaker 6: ally at the moment, he's done two deals or one
Speaker 6: half deal with China, one deal with the UK, and
Speaker 6: he's thrown a tantrum with Canada and won't deal with
Speaker 6: them at all for the next eight weeks because of
Speaker 6: this digital services tax. But we are not going to
Speaker 6: get a deal. We're not even get any fat any FaceTime.
Speaker 6: I mean, for example, Penny Wong's here at today. Don
Speaker 6: Farrell's on holidays for the next two weeks. So look,
Speaker 6: it doesn't always come down to the train minister. But
Speaker 6: that's just not going to happen, Paul. So when Anthony
Speaker 6: Abernezi stands up every day and says, oh no, we'll
Speaker 6: continue to negotiate, We'll continue to plead our case, they're
Speaker 6: not even getting a hearing here. You know how Washington works.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of respect for Kevin Rudd when it
Speaker 6: comes to his views on China, but there's a bit
Speaker 6: of form when it comes to his conduct in the
Speaker 6: Biden administration. But also under Trump, they just simply don't
Speaker 6: like him. I had a great polster on yesterday. He's
Speaker 6: on three of Trump's campaigns. He knows what he's talking
Speaker 6: about he's plugged in here in Washington, and during a
Speaker 6: live interview I said, he said, you know, the Australians
Speaker 6: need to find an Australian that Trump likes. I said, oh,
Speaker 6: is it personal, Like doesn't Trump like Anthony Abnezi or
Speaker 6: digit does he just not know him? He said, no,
Speaker 6: I'm talking about your ambassador. I think he's the problem.
Speaker 6: So that is the view that he put forward on
Speaker 6: am agenda this morning. And you know it's not everything,
Speaker 6: but that's got to be some of the issue there, right.
Speaker 1: Well, this is it is what it is, right. It's
Speaker 1: not like he doesn't know about Australia.
Speaker 2: We have a state visit, right, It's not like he's
Speaker 2: not aware of Australia. He's had briefings about things like workers.
Speaker 2: So something is in the way here.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Again, I don't just because Trump is a pressI and
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that every single part of our representation
Speaker 2: has to go full maga. But when we have been
Speaker 2: as anti as we have been, that that's going to
Speaker 2: be some trouble. Two other quick things before I let
Speaker 2: you go here, which is I wanted to talk about
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court because it made major decisions, particularly that now. Mean,
Speaker 2: you know, if you're a Democrat and you go off
Speaker 2: to the most anti Trump judge in California, it can't
Speaker 2: stop Trump from doing what he wants to do across
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 6: No, that's right. He has had some major wins this week.
Speaker 6: And that win, in particular in the Supreme Court comes
Speaker 6: down to making executive orders and whether the federal court
Speaker 6: can challenge those executive orders, and then you know, you
Speaker 6: get caught up in this law fare for years and
Speaker 6: years and years. Now. There's a lot of Trump supporters
Speaker 6: that point out that he's always been challenged by the
Speaker 6: federal court. But no president in history has made so
Speaker 6: many executive orders either. I mean Obama did, but Trump,
Speaker 6: in terms of volume, is making a lot more. This particularly,
Speaker 6: he has had a win when it comes to birthright citizenship.
Speaker 6: If you have a baby here in the US, you
Speaker 6: automatically get citizenship. Now, Trump said that was meant for
Speaker 6: the babies of slaves, not meant for undocumented migrants and
Speaker 6: those on temporary visas. So it's something he takes really seriously.
Speaker 6: It doesn't mean that that is now completely changed, but
Speaker 6: it does mean he's had a big win. But I've
Speaker 6: got to say Paul. I know from not just under Trump,
Speaker 6: but under every present they take that birthright citizenship very seriously.
Speaker 6: Remember when I came to cover the Trump inauguration in
Speaker 6: twenty twenty, I was six months pregnant. I'm a little
Speaker 6: larger than any normal pregnant woman. But they thought I
Speaker 6: was trying to have an anchor baby. So they kept
Speaker 6: me in immigration detention for four hours questioning me. So
Speaker 6: that was from first hand experience something that they and
Speaker 6: they flat out asked me, Are you trying to mammy?
Speaker 6: Are you trying to have an anchor baby?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: I was not.
Speaker 6: I wanted to get home.
Speaker 2: No, Billy's all Australian. All Australian, all right, and we
Speaker 2: love his mum. Right, A quick one before we go. So,
Speaker 2: the Democratic socialist who is probably going to end up
Speaker 2: as a New York mayor, he's been on Telly and
Speaker 2: frankly he is presenting himself as sort of next generation star.
Speaker 2: And I've said this for years, Right, the response to
Speaker 2: economic populism of Trump will be something like democratic socialism.
Speaker 2: And this blog knows how to talk on television, right,
Speaker 2: agree or disagree. Have a look at what he had
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 6: Do you think that billionaires have a rate to exist.
Speaker 7: I don't think that we should have billionaires because frankly,
Speaker 7: it is so much money in a moment of such inequality.
Speaker 7: And ultimately what we need more of is equality across
Speaker 7: our city and across our state and across our country.
Speaker 7: And I look forward to with everyone, including billionaires, to
Speaker 7: make a city that is fairer for all of them.
Speaker 1: These blogs slick LJ. He's slick.
Speaker 6: He certainly is. And you know what he is, the
Speaker 6: TikTok candidate. He went to TikTok Instagram and had just
Speaker 6: got all of these young democrats and he's kind of
Speaker 6: thrown the whole campaigning issue on its handmade Chris Cuomo
Speaker 6: was out spending him by tens of millions of dollars
Speaker 6: in TV ads, but he flew under the radar. He
Speaker 6: is a socialist, unashamedly a socialist. And he's talking about
Speaker 6: government own grocery stores. He's talking about an extra two
Speaker 6: percent tax on very high income earners. It is flat
Speaker 6: out socialism. He doesn't even deny that. But it's extraordinary,
Speaker 6: not just that you could see the rise of somewlight
Speaker 6: like this in New York, America's biggest city where all
Speaker 6: the billionaires live, not all of them, but most of
Speaker 6: them that he could actually get to the point where
Speaker 6: he is a red hot candidate. Looks mixed views of
Speaker 6: whether he actually could win this thing, but he won
Speaker 6: the primary, so he's their front and center. He cuts
Speaker 6: through like nothing I've ever seen, because usually when you
Speaker 6: run campaigns like these, Paul, it's like whoever pre selects you?
Speaker 6: The Democrats look at you, go what's your ability to
Speaker 6: raise money? The reason that they want to raise so
Speaker 6: much money is to spend tens of million dollars on
Speaker 6: at TV advertising. He doesn't need to do that. He's
Speaker 6: been pre selected, just with TikTok and his videos are
Speaker 6: kind of weird, but they cut through and it speaks
Speaker 6: to a younger generation like a lot of people don't know.
Speaker 2: How very much, so well, you know how to talk
Speaker 2: to this generation and this bloke in particular, which is
Speaker 2: why we love you all the best. Laura, will see
Speaker 2: you in the morning. We'll see you back on the weekend.
Speaker 2: Al right, have you see I love it too, Dylan.
Speaker 2: Laura Jay is there, of course doing it for us
Speaker 2: here in Washington, DC. Wonderful place where she's standing. It's
Speaker 2: on top of the Fox News building, where of course
Speaker 2: we've done many a great broadcast over the years. Should
Speaker 2: be back about the same time at twelve hours from
Speaker 2: now here on Sky News Quick Break Back with More,
Speaker 2: and the debate begins between Senator Matt Cannon and Nicholas Rees.
Speaker 2: Single most patient man in the history of Poor Marie
Speaker 2: Live guests would have to be Matt Canavan. He was sitting,
Speaker 2: He was ready at nine oh one. Nicholas Rees, on
Speaker 2: the other hand, has an entire city to run, so
Speaker 2: council meetings went late. So here we are Nicholas Rees,
Speaker 2: Matt Cannavan and Matt got dressed up and isn't it.
Speaker 2: It's not like he was in his.
Speaker 1: Own Lund room.
Speaker 2: He's come all the way to Brisbane to do the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you guys, to appreciate it all right now. Matt
Speaker 2: I mentioned this on the show last night, which was
Speaker 2: the ANZ Bank coming out and talking about the importance
Speaker 2: of food security. For all of this conversation about you know,
Speaker 2: bullets and guns in China and all the rest of it.
Speaker 2: If we are importing as much as much fruit, veg
Speaker 2: and canned food, then we are in a world of trouble.
Speaker 2: If for whatever reason, we got cut off or punished for,
Speaker 2: you know, wanting an inquiry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Paul, I've been I've been trying to shout
Speaker 3: about this for some months, really year now, and it's
Speaker 3: quite rewarding to see finally some people waking up. And
Speaker 3: I'm sure the good people at the A and Z
Speaker 3: have run the numbers as I have, and my conclusion
Speaker 3: is that this is the first time since the early
Speaker 3: settlers that Australia really can't feed itself. Now, it is
Speaker 3: true we produce more food than we consume, quite a
Speaker 3: lot more food than we consume. The problem is the
Speaker 3: way we produce that food uses inputs to its production,
Speaker 3: really essential inputs that we no longer produce here. Top
Speaker 3: among that list is a thing called eurea, which I've
Speaker 3: been talking about now for a couple of years. Ever
Speaker 3: since the last urea plant shut down here in Brisbane
Speaker 3: where I am in early twenty twenty two. We lost
Speaker 3: our last urea plant. We have to import the most
Speaker 3: important fertilizer. It helps grow about half the world's food.
Speaker 3: We have to import that from the Middle East and China. Likewise,
Speaker 3: we import almost all of our pesticides that control pests
Speaker 3: and weeds on our farms. To maximize our food production,
Speaker 3: we now have to import the plastic nodules to make
Speaker 3: things simple things like polypipe and water tanks, essential things
Speaker 3: in modern agriculture. So without those things we cannot feed ourselves.
Speaker 3: If our supply chains are cut off, we won't be
Speaker 3: able to have a functioning farm sector. And I just
Speaker 3: don't understand while we continue to pursue these mad ridiculous
Speaker 3: net zero goals while turning a blind eye to the
Speaker 3: most essential thing that any country has to do, any
Speaker 3: society has to do, and that does grow its own food.
Speaker 2: Nicholas, Because I've got a lot in the inbox here,
Speaker 2: I don't want to debate that, but I wanted to
Speaker 2: get matts view across nice and clear at What I
Speaker 2: do want to debate, though, is we have a national
Speaker 2: referendum of that whether or not a voice to Parliament
Speaker 2: should be in the Australian constitution. It was not a
Speaker 2: total vote on everything and anything to do with indigenous issues.
Speaker 2: But what about Victoria turning around and saying, oh, we'll
Speaker 2: have our own anyway now again, Victoria even woke.
Speaker 1: Victoria said no to this.
Speaker 2: So how does the Victorian government justify doing it anyway.
Speaker 9: Oh well, I think it's easy to justify and I
Speaker 9: think it's very much a worthwhile thing to do, Paul.
Speaker 9: The Victorian government went to an election promising to introduce
Speaker 9: a First People's Assembly, they won in a thumping election victory,
Speaker 9: and now they're implementing what they promised they would do.
Speaker 9: And it's not a voice, it's not something that's enthrined
Speaker 9: in the constitution, doesn't involve any constitutional change. It's just
Speaker 9: a common sense body that's been set up which is
Speaker 9: made up of First Nations people here in Victoria who
Speaker 9: are democratically elected by people in that community, and it
Speaker 9: provides advice to the Victorian government on matters relating to
Speaker 9: Indigenous affairs. So pretty common sense measure, not constitutional change.
Speaker 9: It's a government doing what they said they would do
Speaker 9: when they went to the people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but has now I know that that body's been
Speaker 2: around for a little while. Are there any examples of
Speaker 2: the government rejecting its advice?
Speaker 1: Nick, I'm not sure.
Speaker 9: Actually, it's certainly a body that's sort of in the
Speaker 9: early stages of its uh, it's coming into into the world,
Speaker 9: so I'm not aware of it rejecting anything.
Speaker 2: As yet, because that's what it right obviously, noting the
Speaker 2: responsibility and again that's a state government thing.
Speaker 1: But that's the point, isn't it. Man? Which is which is?
Speaker 2: And again so I'm not going to have fun Bashi
Speaker 2: and Nick around with that is that again it's not
Speaker 2: his area of responsibility. But this is what I mean.
Speaker 2: The opposition, the opposition in Victoria, they need to come
Speaker 2: out and not just say, oh, this is not what
Speaker 2: the people want.
Speaker 1: Have a look if.
Speaker 2: There have been any decisions that have been rejected, because
Speaker 2: otherwise we know exactly what that means, which is that
Speaker 2: the Parliament ends up becoming the rubber stamp of the
Speaker 2: Advisory Committee, not the other way around.
Speaker 3: Well that's true, Paul, but I'd like to go one
Speaker 3: step further and go sort of elin musk here on
Speaker 3: this first People's Assembly of link now and now.
Speaker 7: To me.
Speaker 3: Give me give can you can someone give me who
Speaker 3: supports this? Three things they've achieved since they've been assessed established?
Speaker 3: Just three?
Speaker 1: What have they done?
Speaker 3: Nick? Do theyn what three things have they achieved since
Speaker 3: they've been around? Well, I mean I think they're helping
Speaker 3: the There was a long must be the satellite it is, sorry, Matt.
Speaker 9: So they're helping with the treaty process in Victoria, they're
Speaker 9: helping with the Euroic Justice Commission process. This is where
Speaker 9: we engage in truth telling about our history. So they're
Speaker 9: two pretty big ones. And look, I know there's been
Speaker 9: a few issues around you know, major roads in Victoria,
Speaker 9: so I think they've been giving advice on that. So,
Speaker 9: I mean, I just think this is common sense stuff, right, like,
Speaker 9: you make better decisions when you consult with people, and
Speaker 9: having a First Nation's Assembly elected by Indigenous people to
Speaker 9: help the government when it comes to making decisions about
Speaker 9: government decisions that affect Indigenous people. That's just got to
Speaker 9: ring a common sense to us. And let's not forget
Speaker 9: the government went to the Victorian people and said, if
Speaker 9: you elect us, this is what we'll do. They want
Speaker 9: a thumping election victory. So now don't you think they
Speaker 9: should get on.
Speaker 1: And do it?
Speaker 3: But Nick, this winter, this winter, Victoria may run out
Speaker 3: of gas. It's on track at the moment to run
Speaker 3: out of gas. And talking if we've sort of skirted
Speaker 3: around the Victorian constitution right now. In that constitution right now,
Speaker 3: well it reads equality before the Law, habeas corpus and
Speaker 3: no fracking. One of the things in the Victoria's constitution
Speaker 3: is a fracking band. It is absolutely absurd. I mean,
Speaker 3: whatever you think about fracking, why the hell is it
Speaker 3: in that constitution. It's hardly and it's it's hardly the
Speaker 3: declaration of the rights of man. And now we're going
Speaker 3: to face a situation where Victoria's running out of gas.
Speaker 3: It is ridiculous. So why we're focusing on this. It's trivia.
Speaker 3: It is absolutely trivia because you've raised that their achievements
Speaker 3: are basically talking talking about things. I'm sickond tired of
Speaker 3: talking about things. Let's start doing things as a country,
Speaker 3: because we can do something about our gas shortages and
Speaker 3: drill for more gas. Why don't we do that and
Speaker 3: stop winging about queens. They're not sending you enough of it.
Speaker 9: Nick, I mean, I've gotta hand it to your master debate.
Speaker 9: You can take any topic like food security, which you
Speaker 9: had me at one hundred percent until you said, but
Speaker 9: instead we're talking about climate change and now having a
Speaker 9: debate about a First Nations Assembly and other Commons emissions.
Speaker 3: Somehow you can't have you turned about getting more guests
Speaker 3: out of.
Speaker 9: The ground I mean, next we talk about brands and
Speaker 9: somehow you'll bring.
Speaker 3: That back to coal or something like, how you can
Speaker 3: do It's remarkable you can't fossil fuels.
Speaker 2: Allow me to just put the ball on the teeth
Speaker 2: and Matt again and see what happens here where developers
Speaker 2: of course have walked away from.
Speaker 1: The Central Queensland hydrogen project.
Speaker 2: Yet another one that's falling over here in Queensland.
Speaker 1: So Nick, let's see how fun you can hit it here.
Speaker 1: It is more coal sweet.
Speaker 3: Well, exactly exactly, Nick, If we have cheaper power process
Speaker 3: and we have food trustue for sure. But this is
Speaker 3: another example. I mean, this is another example of people
Speaker 3: talking about things. So the Labor Party have been talking
Speaker 3: about hydrogen jobs for years. This is not a laughing matter.
Speaker 3: Nick's billions of dollars have been spent. I was there
Speaker 3: just the other week in Gladstone where your government, the
Speaker 3: Labor Party's government has given Twiggy for US ninety million
Speaker 3: dollars or state and federal labor governments have given him
Speaker 3: ninety million dollars. He's built a shed, some lovely beautiful
Speaker 3: new roads and it's a complete white elephant. There were
Speaker 3: ninety people working there a few months ago, are now three.
Speaker 3: It was not a laughing matter. Nearly ninety people have
Speaker 3: lost their jobs. You shouldn't laugh about it. And on
Speaker 3: top of that, we've spent billions of dollars on a
Speaker 3: water pipeline and transmission lines, on top of the ninety
Speaker 3: million that are now both power lines and water pipelines
Speaker 3: to nowhere. Because this project's not going ahead, and so
Speaker 3: the Labor Party continues to talk about rubbish like hydrogen jobs.
Speaker 3: And you could clearly see that we weren't going to
Speaker 3: get a substantial number of hydrogen jobs anytime soon, but
Speaker 3: to get them through election campaigns. Ironically going back to
Speaker 3: about coal because they didn't want to. They wanted to
Speaker 3: have a distraction in Central Queens about shutting down the
Speaker 3: coal industry. They talked about hydrogen jobs. And now everybody's
Speaker 3: missing out. We don't have a growing coal industry, and
Speaker 3: we now have all of this debt that we've racked
Speaker 3: up on a ridiculous pipe dream on hydrogen. It is
Speaker 3: not working. Still though this government has nine billion dollars
Speaker 3: in the budget for hydrogen nine billion dollars. Isn't it
Speaker 3: about time we recognize failure and stop that stop it,
Speaker 3: but it is still there potentially going to be spent
Speaker 3: on absolute rubbish.
Speaker 2: That's the thing, Nicholas, where where hydrogen is one of
Speaker 2: the alternative technologies very brittle in terms of its capacity
Speaker 2: to actually get out.
Speaker 1: Of first gear.
Speaker 2: Because we all know if there was cash in this,
Speaker 2: if there was real cash in this, people would stick
Speaker 2: with it, right because we know have a look at
Speaker 2: the mining sector.
Speaker 1: You see a piece of dirt.
Speaker 2: As far as the horizon, Yet you decide to spend
Speaker 2: how many minions to be able to dig it up
Speaker 2: to process that decender the world to sell it and
Speaker 2: that's how you make your money. So if these people
Speaker 2: didn't see short to medium term return, even long term return,
Speaker 2: they'd stick with it. But again they walk away.
Speaker 9: Well, look again, the history of new technology and innovation
Speaker 9: is littered with fits and starts, and so yes, screen
Speaker 9: hydrogen sector is facing some headwinds here, but that doesn't
Speaker 9: mean that the technology won't finally come good and help
Speaker 9: Australia make that transition to being a zero economy. Like
Speaker 9: with energy technologies in the past, you saw similar challenges
Speaker 9: of being introduced. Coal fired power had been around theoretically
Speaker 9: for a long time before Sir John Warnash and now
Speaker 9: the great pioneers in the industry took it forward. That
Speaker 9: doesn't mean we don't try and stop trying to move forward.
Speaker 9: And Australia does have to get off coal. It does
Speaker 9: have to get off gas. Matt, You and I can
Speaker 9: debate the timelines and exactly the pathway there, but we
Speaker 9: know we need to get there. So yes, there's a
Speaker 9: set here with this green hydrogen project. But we do
Speaker 9: need to continue pursuing these renewable power options because that's
Speaker 9: the world has to.
Speaker 3: Go forgiving every one we'll go.
Speaker 2: I can't because I was just last week you go
Speaker 2: go fifteen seconds, all right.
Speaker 3: Well hold next fifteen seconds. Well, just last week, new
Speaker 3: data came out that China, India, Mongolia, Indonesia have increased
Speaker 3: their coal mining by one point two billion tons in
Speaker 3: the three years since Netzera was signed up to. That's
Speaker 3: more than double we produced in any one year.
Speaker 1: Thank you, lads do appreciate it. They don't know as well.
Speaker 9: And true in the morning, feeling tired, does it would
Speaker 9: cold power solve that.
Speaker 2: Cold?
Speaker 1: I'll see you next week. Love you boys. I get
Speaker 1: the last one. I know you get that. I get
Speaker 1: the you's all right, quick break back with Murray.
Speaker 2: Life before we get to the late debate with the
Speaker 2: very special, very special Elements this evening. We're going to
Speaker 2: have Niger Franchi on the show tomorrow night. I cannot
Speaker 2: wait to see what his sponsors to the stuff that
Speaker 2: happened at Glastonbury. Now, of course those of us that
Speaker 2: believe in free speech where you have to stand up
Speaker 2: for the stuff that's unpleasant. But the sort of b
Speaker 2: factor around this story is that maybe what we said
Speaker 2: on the stage could end up being a crime. Let's
Speaker 2: find out what Nigel thinks this time tomorrow