Speaker 1: It's the most annoying trait that I have is when
Speaker 1: I don't hear what someone says, I go, huh.
Speaker 2: I My brother goes, pardon, Pardon's nice, yeah, but the
Speaker 2: way he says it that he's like, pardon.
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Speaker 2: Look at this The red nails theory? Actually, I posted
Speaker 2: on our Facebook page. I noticed that Tammy had her
Speaker 2: nails painted red but watching a movie and I looked
Speaker 2: over at her and I was like, oh, you've got
Speaker 2: red nails.
Speaker 3: I noticed, And what did the red nails do for you?
Speaker 2: Ah? The red nails didn't really get me going, but like,
Speaker 2: I mean, I just noticed him. At least, you know
Speaker 2: what I.
Speaker 1: Do you reckon that she heard the episode and then
Speaker 1: got her nails red to test the theory?
Speaker 2: That is actually probably a pretty good point. Do you reckon?
Speaker 2: Is that what you did?
Speaker 1: Well? I said on the last episode I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my nails painted red. But then I
Speaker 1: went to the nail salon and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: do I really want to have red nails? Because red
Speaker 1: nails is such it's a statement, like it's very in
Speaker 1: your face, but it's also quite chic, which I'm kind
Speaker 1: of loving at the moment. But I'm very neutral with
Speaker 1: my nails. So I didn't do it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: should I just get my toenails painted red? And then
Speaker 1: I was like, I think that kind of defeats the
Speaker 1: purpose of the red nail theory. So then, anyway, I've
Speaker 1: committed to the podcast. This is my show of commitment
Speaker 1: to you guys. Did Michael notice, Well, he didn't really
Speaker 1: say anything, and then I was like, do you like
Speaker 1: my nails? And he's like, oh, is that from the podcast?
Speaker 3: So he kind of yeah. He kind of knew about
Speaker 3: the theory because he listened to the episode.
Speaker 2: Well, Emma sent two hour Where's your Head said red nails.
Speaker 2: I work at a very luxious hotel, and I can
Speaker 2: one hundred percent confirm the red nail theory. I often
Speaker 2: have fun nails crazy colors, but one time I choose
Speaker 2: bright red. I would say, around twenty different men customers.
Speaker 2: Even the chef's notice to all single ladies paint your
Speaker 2: nails red and hang out in hotel lobbies.
Speaker 1: Wow, so she that's pretty big plug for red nails.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go to a hotel lobby with your nails read plug.
Speaker 3: What'd you say?
Speaker 2: Go to a hotel lobby with your nails painted red?
Speaker 2: Apparently you'll find you the man of your dreams or
Speaker 2: you'll get attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually just noticed myself saying to you, like when
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear what you were saying, I was like huh.
Speaker 1: And Michael has been pulling me up on that recently.
Speaker 1: Apparently it's the most annoying trait that I have is
Speaker 1: when I don't hear what someone says, I go huh.
Speaker 2: My brother goes pardon, pardon, and then like nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but the way he says it that he's like pardon.
Speaker 2: And then I've noticed as well. Tabby's kids say what
Speaker 2: did you say? What did you say? Like I noticed
Speaker 2: when people say that nice. Yeah. I know. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying it's not bad. I just don't know what I say.
Speaker 2: What do I say? When someone? I think, I say what? What?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: What is apparently rude because what I do is rude.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is a polite thing to say?
Speaker 3: Excuse me?
Speaker 2: Can you please repeat that?
Speaker 3: Excuse me? Excuse me? Would you repeat that?
Speaker 1: I think I say, I don't know, but anyway, I'm
Speaker 1: apparently annoying Michael with saying that, So I'm really trying
Speaker 1: to catch myself.
Speaker 3: And I noticed I did it then, so I'm obviously
Speaker 3: not doing a good.
Speaker 2: Job of that. I also think you should focus on
Speaker 2: not saying like as much. I know that you do
Speaker 2: say that like like a lot.
Speaker 1: I know, me saying lie is my number one pet
Speaker 1: peeve about myself. So when Michael's is me going huh,
Speaker 1: minds is that?
Speaker 3: I say like?
Speaker 1: And I know exactly why I do it. It's because
Speaker 1: I used to go to school in America and all
Speaker 1: of the kids there say like in every second word,
Speaker 1: or at least at the school I went to, they did,
Speaker 1: and my parents used to pull me up on it.
Speaker 1: And I don't know what it is if it's like
Speaker 1: I and I know when I do it as well,
Speaker 1: when I don't know what I'm talking about, I say
Speaker 1: like as kind of an um to kind of give
Speaker 1: me more time to think about what I'm.
Speaker 3: Trying to say.
Speaker 1: It's it's such a bad habit to the point that
Speaker 1: I feel like I need to go to speech therapy
Speaker 1: or something to help me stop saying it.
Speaker 2: It's funny you say that. Do you know the wrestler
Speaker 2: Rick Flair. He's a Matt fact for you idea continue, Well,
Speaker 2: he's famous for going whoo wooh. He says that all
Speaker 2: the time he started when he was doing like wrestling promos,
Speaker 2: like walking on the microphone, when he didn't know what
Speaker 2: to say, he'd just yell out woo. He'd be like
Speaker 2: whoo to like think about what he was going to
Speaker 2: say next, and it ended up becoming his gimmick and
Speaker 2: he stick like he made millions of dollars off saying woo.
Speaker 2: So maybe you cannot like.
Speaker 3: I need, I need, I need to switch out like
Speaker 3: for something else.
Speaker 1: Guys, if I if there's a word that I can
Speaker 1: switch it out for, let me know on the Facebook page.
Speaker 1: I really need to at thirty two years old. It's
Speaker 1: not cute, you know, like, oh I did it.
Speaker 3: Oh, now I'm going to be super self conscious of it.
Speaker 1: You know what we need to do actually on this podcast,
Speaker 1: when I start saying like you need to say something
Speaker 1: to pull.
Speaker 3: Me up on it.
Speaker 2: Like time, you can get a time out and not
Speaker 2: talk for a couple of minutes, So just let me
Speaker 2: ramble on.
Speaker 3: You can just like turn out.
Speaker 2: I don't know, we'll find something. Let's ask everyone what
Speaker 2: you can do, what your punishment can be if you say, like, what.
Speaker 3: Should Matt say?
Speaker 1: Even if I'm mid conversation and I say, like too
Speaker 1: many times, you need to just call something out and
Speaker 1: let's let's kick this habit.
Speaker 3: I'm done with it. I don't want to say it anymore.
Speaker 3: I give you something that gin.
Speaker 2: Something I don't like to say either is things and stuff.
Speaker 2: When I'm explaining something.
Speaker 1: You always that is your worst habit. So I don't
Speaker 1: know if you guys from listening to the podcast a
Speaker 1: lot have noticed this. But Matt he'll be explaining something
Speaker 1: and if he doesn't know the word, so say, for instance,
Speaker 1: he's talking about Packfair shopping center, He'll be like, I went.
Speaker 3: To thing and I'm like, what is thing? Yeah, I've
Speaker 3: just said like twice I can't even do it.
Speaker 2: Well, do you have a turn on for this week? Anna?
Speaker 1: Yes? So my turn on of the week is obviously
Speaker 1: that the red nail theory I think has worked. But
Speaker 1: I have another one, and that is that it is
Speaker 1: World Sepsis Day this Friday, the thirteenth. I am a
Speaker 1: Sepsis ambassador. As you guys know, I've spoken about it
Speaker 1: a lot on the podcast. I had sepsis this time
Speaker 1: last year, nearly died. Yeah, I almost died. It was very,
Speaker 1: very scary. I didn't really know what sepsis was. So
Speaker 1: we have a professor actually coming onto the show to
Speaker 1: talk about the signs and symptoms so that you guys
Speaker 1: can be aware if you're getting any of those symptoms.
Speaker 1: And I think it's also just important to bring awareness
Speaker 1: to sepsis, to kind of really talk about what it is,
Speaker 1: what you can look out for. Because when I did
Speaker 1: the and I haven't spoken about this yet, but I
Speaker 1: was a part of the Sepsis campaign and I got
Speaker 1: to talk to other sepsist survivors throughout that and a
Speaker 1: lot of our symptoms were similar, and a lot of
Speaker 1: it is preventable. Not all sepsist cases are preventable, but
Speaker 1: a lot of it is. At the time, as you know,
Speaker 1: we had our live show, I was launching Goldie B
Speaker 1: So I was like, I don't have time to be sick.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm go, go go. So I got antibiotics.
Speaker 1: They were there, wrong hand biotics. I was progressively getting sicker,
Speaker 1: the pain in my side. I was fully ignoring it
Speaker 1: because I was like, I need to launch this business
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day health is well.
Speaker 1: So we really want you guys to learn something. So
Speaker 1: we have Professor sam Jaya coming on very soon and
Speaker 1: hopefully we can spread more awareness about it.
Speaker 2: That' see idea. I know, I know, I've got to
Speaker 2: do your challenge, say the tongue twister three times yes, and.
Speaker 1: Then the Stepsist challenge and you basically have to say,
Speaker 1: I'm Stepsis susceptible and susceptible to sepsis and I've nominated
Speaker 1: mat and I am still awaiting the video to go live.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't realize it. Everyone, Yeah, I didn't realize
Speaker 2: I actually had to do it. You asked me if
Speaker 2: I wanted to do it, and I was like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: and then you like message me and chasing me down
Speaker 2: for it, and I was like, oh.
Speaker 3: I really takes you down for your kidding. You're actually kidding.
Speaker 3: I said it once.
Speaker 2: Hello on my phone all the time.
Speaker 3: Matt's like, I thought it was only a story. I'm like,
Speaker 3: you're one of my best friends.
Speaker 1: Like, if you can't do it, how are we going
Speaker 1: to ever spread awareness?
Speaker 2: This is true. I'll do it. I'll get something to you.
Speaker 2: I'll give it a go. I'm actually nervous. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I can actually string it together. I can't
Speaker 2: even say, like, I can't even form a normal sentence,
Speaker 2: let alone a tongue twister. Gee is put me on
Speaker 2: the spot.
Speaker 3: Do you have a turn on of the week?
Speaker 2: I do. So. The NFL season is back, which means
Speaker 2: fantasy football is back. So anyone who doesn't know what
Speaker 2: fantasy football is, best way to explain it is, let
Speaker 2: me get this straight. It's real players that play real games. Well,
Speaker 2: it's real players that play a real game for fake
Speaker 2: points in a fake league with your real mates.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's something that you just love.
Speaker 2: I do like, well, it brings like twelve of the
Speaker 2: boys all together and we like just have a group
Speaker 2: chat just ripping each other about it. You draft your team,
Speaker 2: so oh, so I actually the boys. I flew down
Speaker 2: to Melbourne for the day to surprise them for the
Speaker 2: draft night. So I wasn't going to go, and I said,
Speaker 2: I'll just sue me and you guys can just auto
Speaker 2: draft my team. But then the commissioner called me and
Speaker 2: he said, hey, we have like we normally get like
Speaker 2: a cameo to read out the list of order of
Speaker 2: what we draft.
Speaker 3: And he was put even by a cameo. So you
Speaker 3: know cameo, how you well, like a celebrity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we get like a pollen star or an
Speaker 2: next NFL player to like read out the list. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the boys will get around it. And he's like, hey,
Speaker 2: we've got a budget of five hundred bucks. So he's like,
Speaker 2: instead of getting a cameo, how about you do the
Speaker 2: cameo and we pay for your ticket to come down
Speaker 2: and you surprise them. So timing was perfect. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: boys came in. It was just like the boys got
Speaker 2: around it and it was perfect. It was Yeah. I
Speaker 2: loved it and then flew out the next day drafted
Speaker 2: a good team. But I think I'm going to lose
Speaker 2: Week one, which sucks.
Speaker 3: You missed the best part though. Matt literally was the cameo.
Speaker 3: He did the video.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I did the video so I was a
Speaker 2: surprise there.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, so I did the video and then I
Speaker 2: was like, all right, boys, like I love ya, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna have to like love you and leave your draft
Speaker 2: me a good team. Don't let I said one of
Speaker 2: the boys draft you know, just ripped the boys. And
Speaker 2: then I said, but I have a surprise for your commish.
Speaker 2: Can you open the door? And then I came in
Speaker 2: with two points to two jugs of beer and I
Speaker 2: was like, here we go, boys, let's do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's actually the best. And they didn't expect you
Speaker 1: to be there.
Speaker 2: No, I was in Sydney the night before, so I
Speaker 2: was posting that I was still in Sydney on my Instagram,
Speaker 2: So they had no idea. They didn't think I was
Speaker 2: going to be in Melbourne.
Speaker 3: You tricked them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was pretty good.
Speaker 3: Do you have an ick of the Week?
Speaker 2: I do? Actually, so I'm sucks. Tammy's going on a
Speaker 2: She's got a retreat. So if anyone wants to go
Speaker 2: on Tammy's retreat tickets I think there's a couple still available,
Speaker 2: but I'm not going. I was meant to go with her,
Speaker 2: but work's too busy. I can't. I can't get out
Speaker 2: of here, which would have been grease twice in one
Speaker 2: year would have been a bit much, but I would
Speaker 2: have loved to have gone a lot. It's a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I'm just going to miss it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: We haven't been away for a week ever since we
Speaker 2: first started dating, well over a year. Really no, I mean,
Speaker 2: like we did long distance, but what like three days here,
Speaker 2: four days there? If that, like it was maybe three
Speaker 2: days top, so we were away from each other. We
Speaker 2: always just made it work.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does suck being away from your partner, but
Speaker 1: I do think that it's right that absence makes the
Speaker 1: heart grow fonder.
Speaker 2: Really sure just makes I think, it just makes me angry.
Speaker 2: I just want to cuddle. Anxious, anxious, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Sad, anxious, rocking yourself sleep at night.
Speaker 2: Do you have a turn off?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: So mine is. I don't know. I think this is
Speaker 3: like silly and ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And while most of them I've been about to say this,
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, stupid. But in my bathroom
Speaker 1: there's a light flickering. And I said to Michael, like,
Speaker 1: I think there's a demon in this house because every
Speaker 1: time I go to toilet now it's like flickering. It's
Speaker 1: freaking me out. It's scary. Anyway, last night I had
Speaker 1: this dream and there was a demon like right beside me.
Speaker 1: Keeping in mind, as you know, I hate horror movies.
Speaker 1: I don't watch them, and I don't have bad dreams
Speaker 1: really because I'm not putting any sort of negative external
Speaker 1: shows into my brain.
Speaker 3: But I'm dreaming of a demon. So now I'm like,
Speaker 3: I think there's a demon in the house.
Speaker 2: Why do you like a seance or something.
Speaker 1: I'm literally after this podcast, I'm going to the market
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna buy some sage and I'm gonna sage
Speaker 1: the fuck out of my house and cleanse the safe
Speaker 1: because there's.
Speaker 3: A demon just getting into my brain.
Speaker 2: Do you remember that? Do you remember that X I
Speaker 2: had that would sage your house all the time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she saved your mind to her think. Okay, Matt, well,
Speaker 3: it was great to catch out with you.
Speaker 1: In honor of World Sepsist, Let's now talk to Professor
Speaker 1: sand Jaya about all things sepsis and how you can
Speaker 1: look out for the signs and symptoms. Matt, we are
Speaker 1: joined by Professor Sanjaya. He is a physician at the
Speaker 1: Infectious Disease Unit at Canberra Hospital.
Speaker 2: Hi Hi, Hannah Hi Matt, how are you, hey, mate,
Speaker 2: welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: We're super excited to have you on the podcast to
Speaker 1: help spread awareness about sepsis. I had sepsis this time
Speaker 1: last year actually, and I ended up in the Infectious
Speaker 1: Disease Unit at the Alfred And it is World Sepsis
Speaker 1: Day this Friday, the thirteenth, so we thought that we'd
Speaker 1: have you on to share with our listeners some signs
Speaker 1: and symptoms, even to kind of explain what sepsis is,
Speaker 1: because only sixty one percent of Australians know what sepsis is.
Speaker 1: So can you kind of give us an outline of
Speaker 1: what sepsis actually is?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Anna a met. Everyone has heard of infections,
Speaker 4: whether they're skin infections, utiys urinary tract infections, meningitis, pneumonia,
Speaker 4: Everyone's heard of those things. Now, sepsis is a particular condition.
Speaker 4: It's when you have an infection and your body responds
Speaker 4: with inflammation to fight the infection that ends up being
Speaker 4: harmful to your body. It can affect multiple organs and
Speaker 4: you can even die.
Speaker 2: So your body is fighting the infection and by doing that,
Speaker 2: it's actually putting your body in more strife. Are you saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's right.
Speaker 4: So we've got this amazing immune system that's evolved over
Speaker 4: thousands of years to protect us, and often it will
Speaker 4: we'll just get a you know, you'll be outside, you'll
Speaker 4: cut yourself outside, and that heals without a problem. You
Speaker 4: don't need antibiotics and you're fine. That's because you've got
Speaker 4: a healthy immune system that stops the infection getting out
Speaker 4: of control. But sometimes infections do get out of control
Speaker 4: and we need our immune system to fight it. And
Speaker 4: sometimes it does that in a sort of reasonable response,
Speaker 4: but occasionally it can get so aggressive that it can
Speaker 4: start to harm our insights, so our organs, our brains,
Speaker 4: our kidneys, our hearts, our lungs, and that's when you
Speaker 4: get sepsis. And if we don't treat sepsis quickly, then
Speaker 4: it can have a very bad outcome.
Speaker 1: It's actually very interesting hearing you give the definition, because
Speaker 1: I think that there are some misconceptions about the definition
Speaker 1: of sepsis. I know, for me, I've described it before
Speaker 1: as an infection that gets into the blood, and I've
Speaker 1: heard other people kind of describe it this way, but
Speaker 1: that's not exactly correct.
Speaker 3: Is that true?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: And no, no, you're quite right, and it's not just
Speaker 4: non medical or non healthcare people who who feel that way.
Speaker 4: There are people in the healthcare industry who also also
Speaker 4: believe that. But the reality is this and infection, it
Speaker 4: doesn't have to get into the blood. It's just your
Speaker 4: immune response to that infection that can cause harm. And
Speaker 4: there's certainly a proportion of people who have sepsis due
Speaker 4: to a serious infection that don't have it in the blood.
Speaker 1: I mean, when I had sepsis, I feel like it
Speaker 1: all happens so quickly. I went from being, you know,
Speaker 1: working pretty well, and within an instant I was in
Speaker 1: emergency and in quite a lot of pain. What makes
Speaker 1: sepsis particularly dangerous for Australians, I.
Speaker 4: Think part of it you've described really well. It can
Speaker 4: come upon you really quickly. In many ways, it's like
Speaker 4: a heart attack. We're all really well trained to know
Speaker 4: about heart attacks. If you get this dull chest pain
Speaker 4: in the middle of your chest, maybe pain down your arm,
Speaker 4: you get sweaty, you go to hospital because you know
Speaker 4: if you don't, if you having a heart attack and
Speaker 4: you don't go to hospital quickly, you can die. And
Speaker 4: that's another thing I should just maybe go on a
Speaker 4: bit of a tangent to tell you about as a
Speaker 4: medical student. So about thirty years ago it was all
Speaker 4: down to a fine art. When it came to heart attacks,
Speaker 4: we knew if someone comes to the emergency department with
Speaker 4: chest pain, we have to immediately get them into a bed,
Speaker 4: do an ECG, take some blood tests, and if it's
Speaker 4: looking like a heart attack, we've got to do this,
Speaker 4: this and this, and that's why now we're so good
Speaker 4: and in Australia at treating heart attacks. But sepsis is
Speaker 4: a similar thing. It can come on really quickly and
Speaker 4: the longer you wait to treat it, the worst the
Speaker 4: outcome can be. So for every hour that you leave
Speaker 4: sepsis untreated, that increases your chance of dying by eight percent.
Speaker 4: So I think, yeah, So I think at both levels
Speaker 4: sort of as a doctor and as a patient. And
Speaker 4: there's a lot we don't know about sepsis, so I
Speaker 4: think that's one part of the problem. Secondly, as you
Speaker 4: beautifully described, Danna, it can hit you just like that.
Speaker 4: You can be really well one minute and the next
Speaker 4: minute you can be feeling awful. So I think there
Speaker 4: are two things, and it is worth going into hospital
Speaker 4: and saying I think I could have sepsis. And that's
Speaker 4: one thing we're trying to promote with World Sepsis Stay
Speaker 4: this time. It's just saying that anyone could have sepsis,
Speaker 4: and if you're thinking about it, make sure the doctors
Speaker 4: and nurses you're talking to are thinking about it.
Speaker 2: Also. Yeah, well I got I got a stomach infection
Speaker 2: a couple of months ago. Now, when I came back
Speaker 2: from Bali and I got tested, and what did they say?
Speaker 3: Ana, My infection with markers were really high.
Speaker 1: I told Matt about how when I had sepsis, my
Speaker 1: infection markers, I think it's called something we're super sky high.
Speaker 2: And then they said I was at risk of getting sepsis.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm guessing here, Matt, it's probably a blood
Speaker 4: test called a CRP.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's it. Yeah, that's out.
Speaker 4: Ringing bells here. So CRP it's a protein that's made
Speaker 4: by our livers, and when we've got any inflammation in
Speaker 4: our bodies, the CRP can go up. So normally, depending
Speaker 4: on which lab you use, it's less than five, but
Speaker 4: in good going setsis it can be one hundred, two hundred,
Speaker 4: three hundred or even higher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, was like nearly three hundred.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's that's that's really high Matt And that
Speaker 4: does mean that all the parts of your immune system
Speaker 4: are really ramped up and there's a lot of inflammation
Speaker 4: in your body, and yeah, that can potentially tip you
Speaker 4: over intercepsis. So that is sort of one of the
Speaker 4: markers we use. But we also it's really important to
Speaker 4: remember that what the patients tell us when they come
Speaker 4: and see us, the messages and the symptoms they give us,
Speaker 4: that can be our early warning sign that this could
Speaker 4: be sepsis.
Speaker 1: If someone's listening to this right now and they want
Speaker 1: to get a feel for what the symptoms or kind
Speaker 1: of red flags that they should be looking out for
Speaker 1: when it comes to sepsis, what would you tell them.
Speaker 4: I would go to the Sepsis Australia site and that's
Speaker 4: got a whole heap of information. There's information for health
Speaker 4: professionals and there's information for anyone in the community and
Speaker 4: it talks through things about the symptoms of sepsis. Now,
Speaker 4: the symptoms of sepsis can be very nonspecific and you
Speaker 4: may or may not relate to some of these with
Speaker 4: your episode of sepsis. So you might get fevers, and chills,
Speaker 4: and sometimes people get these things called rigors where they
Speaker 4: just shake and if you look at them, you think
Speaker 4: they're actually having a seizure. They're shaking so much and
Speaker 4: so rhythmically, so that it can be that. You can
Speaker 4: have You can be breathing faster, you can feel your
Speaker 4: heart going faster. You might have diarrheas like.
Speaker 2: A heart attack.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well exactly. You can be drowsy, you can be confused,
Speaker 4: you may not be passing urine. They could all be
Speaker 4: signs of sepsist. So it can be very nonspecific. But
Speaker 4: you don't feel well, you feel sick and Matt, yeah,
Speaker 4: it can be like a heart attack. You're quite right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was part of the sepsist campaign that's come
Speaker 1: out and I actually got to meet a lot of
Speaker 1: sepsist survivors and I'd never met anyone who had had
Speaker 1: sepsist before, and it was really interesting hearing people's stories
Speaker 1: because there were a lot of similarities. I was in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, shaking uncontrollably. I went to
Speaker 1: the bathroom and I looked quite blue in the lips
Speaker 1: and mouth area, and a lot of the sepsist survivors
Speaker 1: described similar symptoms and also severe pain. So I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just interesting to hear. And when you hear people
Speaker 1: tell these stories, it is kind of a reminder and
Speaker 1: if you do get those symptoms, you can kind of
Speaker 1: do something about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, no, no exactly. And that's all those stories,
Speaker 4: those commonalities. They're telling you that your immune system has
Speaker 4: ramped up and it's causing this widespread inflammation that's making
Speaker 4: you sick. So you didn't just have a typical UTI
Speaker 4: with there's a bit of burning when you pass urine
Speaker 4: and you're rushing to the toilet a little bit. This
Speaker 4: was a whole heap more.
Speaker 3: You knew something was wrong absolutely, Anna.
Speaker 4: Can I ask did you seek medical attention quickly or
Speaker 4: do you think in retrospect you could have gone earlier.
Speaker 1: Or I think hindsight is twenty twenty and there's definitely
Speaker 1: things that I could have done and taken it more seriously.
Speaker 1: So at the time, Matt and I had a podcast
Speaker 1: live show, so I did a telehealth appointment, didn't get
Speaker 1: my urine tested. That I think was my first problem.
Speaker 1: So I was on the wrong antibiotics, which then led
Speaker 1: it from a UTI into being a kidney infection. I
Speaker 1: then got back from our live show for the podcast
Speaker 1: and was launching a business. So my pain in my
Speaker 1: side was getting progressively worse and worse and worse, and
Speaker 1: I was pushing it to the side. I kind of
Speaker 1: had this mentality of I don't have time.
Speaker 3: To be sick.
Speaker 1: I'm too busy for this. I've got my antibiotics, I'll
Speaker 1: be fine. And by the time I did go back
Speaker 1: to the hospital and then they told me you have
Speaker 1: a kidney infection, I got new antibiotics. I went home
Speaker 1: and by that point I was back in hospital a
Speaker 1: few hours later because I was had sepsis.
Speaker 2: Essentially with that be more on the doctor's side testing
Speaker 2: for that, because like, how are you supposed to think
Speaker 2: that you've got sepsis?
Speaker 1: I ignored a lot of symptoms. I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to take responsibility.
Speaker 4: No look, no, no, no, certainly, there's no blame involved
Speaker 4: in this. What this is is education to try and
Speaker 4: make sure both sides so that the hospital side, we
Speaker 4: know we're thinking about sepsis, but from the community side,
Speaker 4: the people think they have sepsis and need to go
Speaker 4: hospit go to hospital. So that's what this whole process
Speaker 4: is about. And I think the other thing you've nicely
Speaker 4: illustrated there, Anna is for a lot of now, the
Speaker 4: two of you look like very healthy young people, So
Speaker 4: it's often when you don't have any underlying medical problems
Speaker 4: and you do feel sicker than usual, you think, oh, look,
Speaker 4: I'm healthy and young, it can't be that bad. But
Speaker 4: the reality is anyone can get sepsis. And we've got
Speaker 4: this Sepsist challenge hashtag Sepsis Challenge tongue twister for World
Speaker 4: Sepsis Day, which is, I'm sepsis susceptible and susceptible to sepsis,
Speaker 4: and we're getting lots of different people to say it
Speaker 4: because we want everyone to know out there that anybody
Speaker 4: of any age, gender, etc.
Speaker 1: Can get sepsis absolutely and any infection can lead to sepsis. Right,
Speaker 1: So I think it's important. Like you said, it's not
Speaker 1: just an old person's disease. I was thirty one when
Speaker 1: I got it, was very healthy, and yet anyone, anyone
Speaker 1: can get it. Matt, do you want to have a
Speaker 1: go at doing the Sepsist challenge tongue twister three times?
Speaker 3: You can?
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't even said sepsis, right chat, So
Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm going to be able to
Speaker 2: do it three times.
Speaker 4: No pressure, Matty.
Speaker 2: So it's I am, Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's just susceptible and susceptible to sepsis.
Speaker 3: Three times ago.
Speaker 2: I am sepsis susceptible and suceptible to septis. I am
Speaker 2: sepsis acceptable and sceptible to sepsis is acceptable.
Speaker 4: No, look to be saying it three times in the row.
Speaker 4: It's hard. I wasn't game it is.
Speaker 2: You don't want to give it a go?
Speaker 3: Give it a go, professor j Oh.
Speaker 4: Look, look I'll give it a go. Okay, no judgment here.
Speaker 3: No judgment.
Speaker 2: You couldn't be worse than me.
Speaker 4: I'm sepsis susceptible and susceptible de scepsis. I'm sepsis susceptible
Speaker 4: and susceptible decepsis. I'm sepsis susceptible and susceptible decepsis.
Speaker 2: Well done, amazing. I mean, here's a professor, so I
Speaker 2: can see not even that much of a challenge.
Speaker 3: I had a better chance in you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much, Professor Sanjaya for your insight.
Speaker 1: I think, like we said, spreading awareness is really going
Speaker 1: to help save lives and awareness is key in all
Speaker 1: of this. Do you have a final message that you
Speaker 1: want to leave our listeners with?
Speaker 4: So, I think we've discussed. We've gone over a lot
Speaker 4: of ground today, which is wonderful and I really appreciate
Speaker 4: you having this podcast for World Sepsis Day. I think
Speaker 4: it's wonderful. My messages are as we've said, we are
Speaker 4: all susceptible to sepsis. If you don't know anything about sepsis,
Speaker 4: go to the Sepsis Australia website where you can learn
Speaker 4: all about it. And as you learn all about it,
Speaker 4: I'm guarantee you that we and the healthcare side are
Speaker 4: promoting the message of sepsis. So if you come into
Speaker 4: hospital worried about sepsis, we'll be there to treat you
Speaker 4: quick smart.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. We really appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, professor, and we know you're extremely busy. Thank you, professor.
Speaker 4: Thanks, it was lovely to meet you.
Speaker 2: Bus Well. That was very interesting Anna to talk to
Speaker 2: the professor about sepsis. Am I saying that right, I
Speaker 2: know I didn't get that tongue sepsis. I hope we'll
Speaker 2: post some links on our socials on the Facebook page
Speaker 2: and on the way as you had at so people
Speaker 2: know what to look out for. Very fascinating.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was really interesting. I feel like I learned
Speaker 1: a lot. I'm obviously a Sepsus ambassador and I feel
Speaker 1: like talking to him it was just so insightful and
Speaker 1: I think that we can definitely take on what he's saying,
Speaker 1: and I think spreading awareness is key. So really enjoyed
Speaker 1: that interview, Matt.
Speaker 2: It was very good. All right, let's call it a daana.
Speaker 2: That's all we've got time for. I'm in Melbourne Monday,
Speaker 2: so we've got some records then, so get excited people,
Speaker 2: we'll be.
Speaker 3: Back together again. All right, Okay, that until next time.
Speaker 2: Bye,