Speaker 1: Approache Production.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Our Little Lady, and this is a
Speaker 2: bit of a different episode. Last week we asked you,
Speaker 2: the audience of the podcast, to see if you had
Speaker 2: any questions that you wanted to ask Jason and Amanda.
Speaker 2: We had stacks of replies, but we needed to choose
Speaker 2: small number of listeners to jump on a call to
Speaker 2: ask any questions you wanted of Jason and Amanda. Let's
Speaker 2: cross to that live recording last week. Jason and Amanda, Hello,
Speaker 2: good evening, how are you. This is a bit different
Speaker 2: than what we normally do. Right. Normally most of our
Speaker 2: chats are on signal where we can't see each other.
Speaker 2: But tonight we've been joined by a whole bunch of
Speaker 2: listeners to our Little Lady, and they've got some questions,
Speaker 2: and obviously I've got some questions, and maybe I might
Speaker 2: start with how's the last couple of weeks been since
Speaker 2: we spoke? Any new developments In Eden's case, There's.
Speaker 3: Been a couple things eventuated and a few things that
Speaker 3: have closed up. And Jackie's putting a brochure out.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about Jackie Lamby. She's a massive supporter.
Speaker 2: What's the contents of that newsletter.
Speaker 1: Look, it's gone to every marlbox in Tasmania, I believe,
Speaker 1: And it's just Jackie showing recognition to her support for
Speaker 1: getting answers and the autopsy photos for Eden and an
Speaker 1: inquest into Eden's death. And like I said, I believe
Speaker 1: that's going to every mailbox in Tasmania.
Speaker 2: How do you feel about reading that?
Speaker 1: Justice for Eden? In July, I was proud to give
Speaker 1: a speech that raised many unanswered questions about the death
Speaker 1: of Eden Westbrook. She was a vibrant fifteen year old
Speaker 1: who was found hanging in a tree almost ten years ago.
Speaker 1: The police and the current A deemed it a suicide.
Speaker 1: But something doesn't seem right, especially considering Paul Reynolds, the
Speaker 1: disgraced policeman convicted of child abuse, was overseeing Eden's case.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to Eden, but her parents,
Speaker 1: Jason and Amanda, along with their other children, deserve answers.
Speaker 1: This is a case I won't stop pursuing.
Speaker 2: We've got a bunch of questions, but I do want
Speaker 2: to start just before we go to some questions. Firstly
Speaker 2: with you, Jason. I'm a dad myself, as you know,
Speaker 2: to young girls who are Edie's age fifteen ten sixteen
Speaker 2: Father's Day on the weekend.
Speaker 1: Look, I've got a lot of love and support from
Speaker 1: my family and my children that are alive and looking
Speaker 1: after me.
Speaker 2: Mate.
Speaker 1: They're sensitive and they're caring, and yeah, I couldn't be
Speaker 1: proud of to be a dad of all of my children.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately, some days send a shipmate, and as you know,
Speaker 1: one of those days we lost Eden. And it's nearly
Speaker 1: ten years now, mate, so ten Fathers days. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: still tough, it's raw.
Speaker 2: Now we're going to go to a from someone now
Speaker 2: the questions from Danny l So from Danielle, my question
Speaker 2: is do you think Sergeant Paul Reynolds destroyed the autopsy photos?
Speaker 2: And also how far would have Eden fallen. Let's take
Speaker 2: the first question first, Jason, Amanda.
Speaker 3: If anybody had the chance to destroy the autopsy photos,
Speaker 3: I think that Paul was in the position to do
Speaker 3: so and was capable. However, I still hope they're there.
Speaker 2: What we do know from sort of everything we've talked
Speaker 2: about and all the RTI stuff, and we believe the
Speaker 2: autopsy photos do exist. Is that right?
Speaker 1: However, they would never part or form part of Eden's file, Joe. Now,
Speaker 1: they do have them in their hands or in their
Speaker 1: office on their records, so they've set them since our requests,
Speaker 1: actually since Channel nine's requests. My assumption, and I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, is they're not adequately. They're not adequate. Mate,
Speaker 1: We're not going to get the answers we're asking for.
Speaker 1: I've been mindful. The Current has stated in an email
Speaker 1: that they never formed part of the file. So we
Speaker 1: don't feel the Current has ever had the autopsy photos
Speaker 1: before your podcast, before Channel Line's airing of the request
Speaker 1: to get those autopsy photos to us to get doctor
Speaker 1: Richard Barron Collins to do it, as.
Speaker 3: To our knowledge that we've been told that.
Speaker 1: And the second part of the question, Jail happy to
Speaker 1: answer that the branch that Eden lost their life from
Speaker 1: was I would say four to five meters high off
Speaker 1: the ground the branch itself. To get to that branch,
Speaker 1: you had to get into the v of the tree.
Speaker 1: I'm six foot one. I think I've mentioned this before.
Speaker 1: I needed a mate to get me up the tree
Speaker 1: when we were putting lights up the tree. It was
Speaker 1: quite a difficult tree. Then you had to straddle it.
Speaker 1: Then you had to get out to the branch eat
Speaker 1: and died from the height from the all would have
Speaker 1: been around like I said, four to five meters. Eden
Speaker 1: was one fifty six, so the weight height would have
Speaker 1: been three meters of yeah, would have dissipated the neck.
Speaker 2: Mate.
Speaker 3: We were looking right up at it.
Speaker 1: Even Kim, the lady that you had recently on that
Speaker 1: was delivery driver, she said Eden was eight hundred to
Speaker 1: a meter high when she saw her. And yet it's
Speaker 1: in the report she was twenty centimeters from the ground.
Speaker 1: Either way, massive fall for anyone to fall with something
Speaker 1: around their neck, yeah, or to drop Yeah.
Speaker 3: But if we had seen the footage, we would have
Speaker 3: seen if Eden was actually capable of this. That's why
Speaker 3: it was so important to me to see that footage
Speaker 3: because I would have been able to tell you if
Speaker 3: my child was capable of doing that to herself or not.
Speaker 3: And the yeah questions were two questions. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: a big.
Speaker 2: And that footage you were talking about there, Amanda, was
Speaker 2: the CCTV footage, right, the footage that has never been
Speaker 2: recovered but no existed. There's a couple of other questions here,
Speaker 2: one from Tassia. Have you been to crime stoppers and
Speaker 2: asked them if they've had any anonymous calls that have
Speaker 2: come through regarding Eden's case.
Speaker 1: No, We've put a request in several titles through a
Speaker 1: first lawyer. We put in a request to have all
Speaker 1: Triple O calls on the seventeenth and eighteenth of February,
Speaker 1: because we were told that these things are only kept
Speaker 1: for seven years on record, So we made written requests
Speaker 1: to the coroner's office and requested for the current to
Speaker 1: access those to see on what phone calls may or
Speaker 1: may not have been sent on those dates. The Triple
Speaker 1: O calls will never formed part of again, the file
Speaker 1: of Eden's death with the coroner. She never even after
Speaker 1: a request, they weren't obtained, So we have never seen anything.
Speaker 3: Yes, answering the question, we have requested on numerous occasions
Speaker 3: for the Triple zero calls of any kind that related
Speaker 3: to Eden's death or hers her being alive even the
Speaker 3: night before.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure the RTI we have out now one
Speaker 1: of them is that as well. Again, Jay, just we're
Speaker 1: not sure of the time frame or loss we may
Speaker 1: have there.
Speaker 2: And just to jump in, there is a current RTI
Speaker 2: and all calls to crime stoppers from twenty fifteen to
Speaker 2: now that's been lodged recently. And for those that don't
Speaker 2: know an RTI has a right to information request. Let's
Speaker 2: head over to Maddie, who's also got a question. Guys,
Speaker 2: h Hello, Hi.
Speaker 4: I've got a couple of questions. My first question is
Speaker 4: have you ever been told what happened with all the evidence, etc.
Speaker 4: Like the rope, the ug roots, everything else. Have they
Speaker 4: ever said where that is or have you ever seen
Speaker 4: any of that?
Speaker 1: No, great question, and the answer is no, No, we
Speaker 1: don't know where it is. We don't know where the
Speaker 1: rope is. There's discrepancy over the rope, as you would
Speaker 1: have heard in Jay's podcast. I believe the rope was
Speaker 1: a twenty five or mooring rope, so that we were
Speaker 1: there on the morning we saw it.
Speaker 3: All we received from the police was a little bracelet
Speaker 3: that had an engraved insane love. That's that's all we
Speaker 3: got back from the police.
Speaker 1: And that was ten days or twelve days after eating pasted.
Speaker 4: And they've never said anything about it.
Speaker 1: It's disgraceful.
Speaker 3: I really wanted us to go away, Maddie, that's.
Speaker 1: For them. And on the evening, which was twelve days
Speaker 1: after eating passed, when they gave us Eden's hope and
Speaker 1: Love bracelet that she was wearing on the night and
Speaker 1: with those two words they're engraved on her rose at
Speaker 1: the park where she passed. At Official Memorial Park, we
Speaker 1: actually have the words love and hope engraved on Eden's rose,
Speaker 1: which is that's if anyone want to know, that's why.
Speaker 1: And on that day we gave them a painting which
Speaker 1: was given to us at Eden's funeral by people that
Speaker 1: would visit us in Saint Helen's. An elderly couple they
Speaker 1: were picking up their daughter from the Lonceston Wood for
Speaker 1: care of people that were going.
Speaker 3: Through mental issues severely.
Speaker 1: So they asked if their daughter could attend Eden's funeral.
Speaker 1: We were happy for them to bring this girl because
Speaker 1: Eden had actually met her. And when they were picking
Speaker 1: her up, there was another girl there. Kate was there
Speaker 1: in the wood. She heard that this girl was going
Speaker 1: to Eden's funeral. She's raced over to these people and
Speaker 1: given them a painting of the bay and the tree
Speaker 1: and with her name on it Kate on the back
Speaker 1: and her phone number and said to mister and missus Turner,
Speaker 1: if you're going to Eden's funeral, give this to Jason
Speaker 1: and Amanda, they need to call me. I have information
Speaker 1: on what happened to Eden, and again when the police
Speaker 1: come with her Hope. I actually gave it to Constables
Speaker 1: that painting with Kate's phone number, and I said, I
Speaker 1: can't ring her. I just don't want to talk to her.
Speaker 1: But you guys used to it, and that painting has
Speaker 1: never been No one knows where it what happened to them,
Speaker 1: and Kate only got interviewed last year.
Speaker 2: Jay just that, Maddie, did you have any other questions
Speaker 2: for Jason, Amanda or anything else you'd like to Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 4: In regards to the police officers that dealt with Eden's case,
Speaker 4: have any of them ever reached out to either of
Speaker 4: you to or apologize for the outcomes, or you know,
Speaker 4: apologize that they wish they had done more or anything
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: No, they haven't. However, we did have an incident with
Speaker 3: one of our daughters that needed ambulance and a police
Speaker 3: officer came who claimed that he wasn't at the scene
Speaker 3: on the day, but he knew that we both knew
Speaker 3: that he was, and he chose that day to apologize
Speaker 3: for the actions of him on the day. And since
Speaker 3: and I was a bit annoyed, and I just told him,
Speaker 3: if that's what you're here to do, no, this is
Speaker 3: not the time of the place to do this. I'm
Speaker 3: actually needing the ambulance. And they'd sent police and we
Speaker 3: were really annoyed that that was your case.
Speaker 1: Look, one police officer did jay and the guy was Smiths,
Speaker 1: Consortable Smithurst. He would often come past the park when
Speaker 1: we were there and he'd always come and have a chat.
Speaker 1: He was one of those officers that was very approachable
Speaker 1: and he's actually the officer that Tom Eden was last
Speaker 1: thinger live at two. I am un escape of the night,
Speaker 1: a woman arguing now, he apologized on behalf of the police.
Speaker 1: He also stated that not all the police in that
Speaker 1: station get on as any workplace.
Speaker 2: This is Ruth Jason, Amanda.
Speaker 5: Hello, is it working.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We've got your high Ruth.
Speaker 5: Okay, good. How are you hello? How are you hi?
Speaker 1: Ruth?
Speaker 5: I'm good. Yeah. My question is to get more attention
Speaker 5: to Eden's case. What can we do as listeners. You know,
Speaker 5: I've listened from the very start and then up to date.
Speaker 5: I'm eating's age as well. I'm twenty five, and I
Speaker 5: feel very connected to it, like what can we do
Speaker 5: as a public group, like we've created quite a community. Yeah,
Speaker 5: does like hassle from assholep in government situations or.
Speaker 3: This in this case, this is about so much about
Speaker 3: our community, this movement. It's more than just Jason and
Speaker 3: I fighting for Eden's rights. This is about people's rights
Speaker 3: and the way change that we're going through. And generosity
Speaker 3: isn't charity. So I think eventually we may need a
Speaker 3: fundraiser because the lawyer that we may embark on may
Speaker 3: not be pro bono.
Speaker 1: Share our story through Jay's podcast is the most ubble
Speaker 1: tool we have at the moment. The more people hearing
Speaker 1: our story, the more support we get in listeners, we
Speaker 1: get to support in the petition, we put pressure on
Speaker 1: the government, We put pressure on the Tasmanian authorities to
Speaker 1: really look into this. So, yeah, that's what I would want.
Speaker 1: Because we're pretty humble, Amanda and I, we don't ask
Speaker 1: for much. Jay's given us so much more than we
Speaker 1: could ever expect. With this story, going to you, to
Speaker 1: all these people that are listening and supporting Amanda, you
Speaker 1: may have been one of the people that's written. So
Speaker 1: we get back. She gets back to everyone, and that's
Speaker 1: empowering because there's days we're broken. We're not as strong
Speaker 1: as Jayson made us look. Maybe because you know we
Speaker 1: are human. You know we have tough days. Hearing our story,
Speaker 1: sharing our story, telling your friends, telling your family. It's
Speaker 1: a tough one to hear, I know for some people,
Speaker 1: but it needs to be told.
Speaker 3: And that's what we feel like we're We've been so
Speaker 3: diplomatic in our movements and so passive, and we really
Speaker 3: just want people to be passive in their movements when
Speaker 3: they're making change.
Speaker 1: What Amanda's saying, We've got to do this with love.
Speaker 1: There's no anger, there's no hate. This isn't a witch hunt.
Speaker 1: We want to get to the truth for it, for
Speaker 1: the love of Eden, or for people for justice, because
Speaker 1: this could be anyone's sister, anyone's friend, anyone.
Speaker 3: And when you think about Jason and I as two
Speaker 3: grown adults who are very wrong, together, we know what's
Speaker 3: right from wrong. We've knocked on so many doors to
Speaker 3: try and get to the bottom of this. If you're
Speaker 3: an eight year old, or a nine year old, or
Speaker 3: a fifteen year old, or even a fifteen year old
Speaker 3: like Eden, who do you go and talk to about this?
Speaker 3: When all the doors just keep slamming, even to these
Speaker 3: adults that are kind of defending a vulnerable person.
Speaker 2: Ruth, thanks so much for your question, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Here's a question for everyone. Will you trust figures of
Speaker 2: authority if required in the future. I wonder where we
Speaker 2: turn to in the time of crisis. As a parent,
Speaker 2: it terrifies me that the people who are supported to
Speaker 2: support us to protect our children can be the powers
Speaker 2: that destroy them.
Speaker 3: Well, I've got to say yes. For the reason being
Speaker 3: there has been a couple of occasions in my life,
Speaker 3: going through my childhood into a young adult woman, and
Speaker 3: even at the scene a few months afterwards, there was
Speaker 3: there always seems to be a good cop, bad cop,
Speaker 3: and if you get the bad cop, well it's just
Speaker 3: going to be a real ugly scene. But if you
Speaker 3: get the good cop, you do get all those qualities
Speaker 3: that the police do stand by and one of us
Speaker 3: I gave Hunter after she was harassed by a security
Speaker 3: guard hired by the counsel. He was so disturbed by
Speaker 3: the way the scene was handled, the way that our
Speaker 3: family was getting handled. He gave her his mobile number
Speaker 3: and said give this to your parents, and they had
Speaker 3: to call me any time. Now I only had to
Speaker 3: call him twice, but he still come good. And you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: you do need to still trust the authorities because.
Speaker 1: There's good people that work there. Yeah, of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's good people in the uniforms.
Speaker 2: Tassi asked some more questions about this, and so I
Speaker 2: might just read these, given that she can't jump on.
Speaker 2: What do we know about Kate? Is Kate the lady
Speaker 2: who has seen arguing with Edie on the CCTV.
Speaker 3: I don't believe. So we believe Kate was. We believe
Speaker 3: Kate Leeward.
Speaker 2: And there so that I don't know what that mate,
Speaker 2: because what we what we have heard from smith Hurst,
Speaker 2: who is now deceased, was that the person on the
Speaker 2: cct was an older person.
Speaker 1: Correct, right, And see I feel when Chris was telling
Speaker 1: me that he was talking of a middle aged woman
Speaker 1: like my age in the sense of in the forties
Speaker 1: or fifties, just the way the conversation was, it was
Speaker 1: an older woman. Where Kate at the time was twenty one,
Speaker 1: Eden was fifteen. You wouldn't be calling a twenty one
Speaker 1: year old and older woman, you know, I certainly wouldn't
Speaker 1: be anyway, I'd be calling she was with a teenager,
Speaker 1: a younger woman, not an older woman. It just yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been given a name. I've actually been given a
Speaker 1: couple of names. I'm not going to say those obviously,
Speaker 1: but yeah. Eden was also seen arguing in Thompson Court
Speaker 1: with an older woman too. I don't know if that's
Speaker 1: been said. That's the same night saying on the path
Speaker 1: down to skate park. She was also seen when we've
Speaker 1: got that person doesn't want to come on the show
Speaker 1: and doesn't want to make a witness statement because they're frightened.
Speaker 3: And there was another older woman, just a little bit
Speaker 3: older than me that was seen having an argument with
Speaker 3: her as well. So there was a few women arguing
Speaker 3: with the fifteen year old that night.
Speaker 1: Jay, what are the people that were with Eden that night?
Speaker 1: Comments ring you. You know, we know that you didn't killed,
Speaker 1: We know you weren't part of her death, but we know,
Speaker 1: you know something. We know there was more than just
Speaker 1: Kate with We know there's a lot of people because like,
Speaker 1: just do it, get it off your back. It just
Speaker 1: come forward to you. You can do it anonymously, Jay,
Speaker 1: and you can get a statement from or an interview.
Speaker 1: You know you will keep and protect it. We just
Speaker 1: want to know who, what, when and why, and it's
Speaker 1: going to take more than what we got because you
Speaker 1: know you, We've tried with the Chief Magistrate, We've asked
Speaker 1: the Crown several times. We need a little bit more.
Speaker 2: The other question for Tassire, I think I can answer
Speaker 2: this one. Is there any evidence that Kate has been
Speaker 2: linked to Paul Reynolds. The answer is no, there's not.
Speaker 2: We don't have any of that and we've never claimed
Speaker 2: that she did know Paul Reynolds. So yeah, thanks for
Speaker 2: your questions. Taste are really great questions, and we appreciate
Speaker 2: you jumping a question from Kim here and I'll read
Speaker 2: it out because I think it's a good discussion point.
Speaker 2: Would we ever consider recreating an enactment of or recreating
Speaker 2: an enactment of Eden's suspected movements on the night for
Speaker 2: social media platforms that can be shared? So that's not
Speaker 2: that's a great idea, Kim. What we do know, just
Speaker 2: to refresh everyone's memory, we know about Eden's movements on
Speaker 2: the evening in the shed. Now we know that she
Speaker 2: went to the car, and then we know that she
Speaker 2: left the property at some point and we know that
Speaker 2: she was spotted underneath a CCTV camera at two a m.
Speaker 3: And there was at Chompson Court as well.
Speaker 2: The next time she was seen was was at five
Speaker 2: to seven the next day when when the delivery driver
Speaker 2: Kim saw her and reported it. And so I guess,
Speaker 2: really tough, Kim, I guess to create something like that
Speaker 2: with that small bit of information. But we believe. And
Speaker 2: when I say we, I think I speak for you too,
Speaker 2: Jason and Amanda, that that there are people out there
Speaker 2: who know at least some information that haven't yet come forward.
Speaker 2: And that's I guess what you were just saying, Jason.
Speaker 1: Like exactly you're going to make you say a bit
Speaker 1: of an I can please go ahead, it's.
Speaker 2: Get it off your chest. And you can do that anonymously.
Speaker 2: You can do it anonymously to crime stoppers if that's
Speaker 2: what you want to do. Equally, you can do it anonymously.
Speaker 2: I know I saw Jason's face grew up there. You
Speaker 2: can do it anonymously to us if you like. We
Speaker 2: can take a statement. We can lodge that however you'd
Speaker 2: like it lodged. And equally, we don't have to put
Speaker 2: everything that we hear on the podcast and just.
Speaker 1: Quickly before I forget mate, you see my face when
Speaker 1: you mentioned unstopped is okay? The reason I am hesitant
Speaker 1: for people to go to the police because I feel
Speaker 1: people already have I personally, and this is just my belief.
Speaker 1: People have actually gone to give their evidence, have even
Speaker 1: gone into the police station, and they've been told I'm
Speaker 1: not interested. We've blinked ourselves to what's going on. So wow,
Speaker 1: if there's people that have done that, some of them
Speaker 1: won't go back because you've been shut down by the police.
Speaker 1: I don't want those people. I actually would like the
Speaker 1: people that may have gone to the police to come
Speaker 1: to you, to come to someone I can trust, because
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I just don't trust the Sanaan's police station. Mate.
Speaker 1: I still don't trust the Sanaan's police station. I live
Speaker 1: in San's, Mate. None of them say good a to me.
Speaker 1: I'm not their fucking enemy, mate. I live in the
Speaker 1: community there. I'm part of the community. I lost a
Speaker 1: child in the main street fifty meters from your police station.
Speaker 1: You should say good ay to me. You don't have
Speaker 1: to ignore me. I'm not your enemy. You know, we're
Speaker 1: not your enemy. We want to work with you.
Speaker 3: We want, but that's been the difference. It has been
Speaker 3: them against us, and that's how it feels. It's very
Speaker 3: juvenile action.
Speaker 1: And we know this because you said, Joe, there's good
Speaker 1: men and women in that uniform.
Speaker 2: Amanda has asked, not you, Amanda, but another Amanda who's
Speaker 2: on the chat has asked, is the reason you're not
Speaker 2: coming forward? That's people coming forward? Because Saint Helen's is
Speaker 2: such a small town.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I don't believe that, because people are kind
Speaker 6: of having conversations about what they know whilst I'm around
Speaker 6: them or they're behind me, so they know that there's
Speaker 6: a candid conversation happening Insane Helen's with.
Speaker 3: Some people and they're willing to have it behind me,
Speaker 3: but they're not willing to discuss it with somebody else.
Speaker 1: Is The Support's very secretive in Saint Helen's day. Many
Speaker 1: people support us, but it's not out giving us a
Speaker 1: hug in the main streets, very quiet and is no
Speaker 1: one looking. Because I don't want to be seen actually
Speaker 1: giving you guys support, because I've got a mortgage to pay,
Speaker 1: I've got a lifestyle that i want to continue to
Speaker 1: live if I'm seeing supporting you. I could lose my
Speaker 1: job and my connection to my paying my mortgage off
Speaker 1: or my children's education. So we understand that. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't understand it because if you've got a child,
Speaker 3: then you should be standing up for the child. We
Speaker 3: all know what's going on there now, and we all
Speaker 3: should be coming together and standing up, and nobody should
Speaker 3: be intimidated to speak to Jason and I. We've put
Speaker 3: our hearts out on more than one occasion on every
Speaker 3: platform that we could possibly have. We're approachable. People have
Speaker 3: approached us, but for some reason we can clear a
Speaker 3: room in Saint Helen's Hi.
Speaker 2: My question is regarding the rope. I just don't understand
Speaker 2: where Eden got it from and how.
Speaker 1: She got the rope from. Across the road at the wharf.
Speaker 1: We believed the name. Am I allowed to say the
Speaker 1: name of the ship? We were told you, Yeah, of
Speaker 1: course you can. Yep, Yeah, it is the Nasalie. It
Speaker 1: was at port in the wharf that night, and that's
Speaker 1: apparently where the rope come from. So it was about
Speaker 1: one hundred meters one hundred and fifty meters from the tree.
Speaker 1: Eden was found in the rope where she was sourced
Speaker 1: it from the wharfs across.
Speaker 2: The road, and Amanda, in your initial statement to police,
Speaker 2: which I think we've mentioned in the podcast, you thought
Speaker 2: that maybe the rope had come from your place, and
Speaker 2: then after you went back to the house and went
Speaker 2: actually all of our ropes sore where they should be,
Speaker 2: so it's definitely from that boat across the road.
Speaker 3: When I seen the rope, I thought it's a crape
Speaker 3: pot rope, and then as I got closer, it was
Speaker 3: actually a mooring rope. And when the officer heard that,
Speaker 3: he translated it to our craypots.
Speaker 1: So they're green and yellow, and there are certain colors.
Speaker 1: The rope Eden was found in was exactly the same
Speaker 1: color as our craypot ropes. That's where Amanda may have
Speaker 1: thought it was this rape brought from home. We don't
Speaker 1: have twenty five mooring ropes that color. We only have
Speaker 1: ten mili crypot ropes. That's what you use in cray potting.
Speaker 1: None of our crypot ropes were missing. They're all accounted for.
Speaker 1: And again, it wasn't a ten mil rope, which has
Speaker 1: been written in the report. It was definitely a thicker
Speaker 1: rape I was there I saw it. I was actually
Speaker 1: quite concerned at the size of the rope that Eden
Speaker 1: had used.
Speaker 2: Danny Els just ASTs to question the chat and this
Speaker 2: will be one of our last questions around the rope. Again.
Speaker 2: Did they do any DNA testing on the rope? And
Speaker 2: if the rope still exists in evidence they.
Speaker 1: Rate it off by nine o'clock as suicide. Why would
Speaker 1: your DNA the rope when the child's still hanging in it?
Speaker 2: Sorry, do you know if that rope still exists?
Speaker 1: I doubt it. I don't know, but I doubt it.
Speaker 1: I just I wouldn't imagine it would Jay saying it's
Speaker 1: mill rope. We're saying it's a twenty five mil rope.
Speaker 1: They're saying it's twenty seven minutes off the ground. We're
Speaker 1: saying it's eight hunderd and two a meter off the ground.
Speaker 1: Best if that rope disappears, mate, Yeah, there are some tree.
Speaker 1: Best if the tree disappears, to be mindful the tree
Speaker 1: disappear before the crime's findings will let out.
Speaker 3: Mate.
Speaker 1: You know, so a lot of things disappear. Footage disappeared,
Speaker 1: Three things disappeared, rope, footage, tree, Jeez, you haven't got
Speaker 1: much to you can't reenactivate that. You can't set that
Speaker 1: tree back up to see the fall. You can't do
Speaker 1: any forensics on the tree because it's no longer there.
Speaker 1: It wasn't there before the coroner made the findings really unusual.
Speaker 1: The rope, Yes, they definitely haven't got the rope mate.
Speaker 2: This will be our final question. Amanda just just come
Speaker 2: back and said, are you sure eton got the rope
Speaker 2: or someone else?
Speaker 3: Well, just recently, somebody did say to me that was
Speaker 3: she picked up from when she left home? Did somebody
Speaker 3: pick her up? And that was a strange question to
Speaker 3: me in the street.
Speaker 1: It's just a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess everyone becomes a sleuth, right once you've
Speaker 2: heard this story and once you actually look into it,
Speaker 2: there are you know, like we've seen in the chat today,
Speaker 2: like when we did our investigation, and continue to there
Speaker 2: are always new questions that come up. There are always
Speaker 2: new things that you go what about?
Speaker 1: And Yeah, watching a movie, you go back and watch
Speaker 1: a movie a second time, you see something you didn't
Speaker 1: see the first time. Same as your podcast. You go
Speaker 1: back to an episode, there's things you've missed, and then
Speaker 1: there's so much many more questions, more and more questions
Speaker 1: are just getting.
Speaker 3: Involved that we'd never even put that into the equation
Speaker 3: that perhaps someone picked her up she walked out onto
Speaker 3: the highway, And when someone's just mentioned that, I sort
Speaker 3: of thought, oh, well, where's that come from.
Speaker 1: If they took her own and she decided that's what
Speaker 1: she wanted to do right there in that location. Why
Speaker 1: and then if we go to yj any girl or
Speaker 1: any person that may take their life at that age,
Speaker 1: when we look at the whys, and that doesn't really
Speaker 1: get investigated because she's written off suicide, depressed and had
Speaker 1: suicidal tendencies, there's a reason why, and we all can
Speaker 1: look into the Commission of Inquiry why. You know, people
Speaker 1: are taking their lives because of grooming and assault by
Speaker 1: adults on that child. So this is where we look
Speaker 1: into Eden's Was she groomed? So it doesn't matter to
Speaker 1: me whether Eden was up with our plan and was murdered,
Speaker 1: which is quite possible, or Eden died of suicide, which
Speaker 1: is possible, but I don't think so we need to
Speaker 1: know why. We need to know why she was murdered,
Speaker 1: or we need to know why she died of suicide,
Speaker 1: and if it was suicide, what caused it? She was
Speaker 1: from a good home, good family, good loving family, loving siblings,
Speaker 1: and this kid ends up dead in the main street
Speaker 1: of a small seaside town.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Too many questions have got to be answered on that night,
Speaker 1: on Eden's prior movements and what was happening to Eden
Speaker 1: with adults on her phone, and we need to get
Speaker 1: to those. Answer to Jay and I guess that's why
Speaker 1: we keep on shouting it out mate.
Speaker 3: Also, the park had no relevance to our family or
Speaker 3: to Eden. However it did to Kate. Kate spent her
Speaker 3: childhood playing in this area unattended, and that park was
Speaker 3: significant to them. As the fisherman said, he thought it
Speaker 3: was a blanket hanging at three am that the children
Speaker 3: had left there, that the ones that.
Speaker 2: Normally play that Jason, Amanda, I'm going to give you
Speaker 2: the floor for a second just to say thank you
Speaker 2: to everyone that's joined us on the chat tonight.
Speaker 3: Thank you so very much for your time, your thoughts,
Speaker 3: your support. Honestly, support is necessary. If you can give support,
Speaker 3: only is strong enough to give support. But what I've
Speaker 3: found is that people that have given support, my small
Speaker 3: response back has given them support in turn. And like
Speaker 3: I said, there's to those mothers that have come to
Speaker 3: me that have lost a child. It's not good enough
Speaker 3: that we should have to be doing this. It's too many.
Speaker 3: There's too many mothers and there's too many fathers that
Speaker 3: are dealing with children that have been lost under suspicious
Speaker 3: circumstances that has been suggested that it's suicide. And that's
Speaker 3: not good enough.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to quickly butt in and say thanks guys,
Speaker 1: thanks j thanks to the audience, thanks to your questions.
Speaker 1: I am not into sympathy. I've said that I'm into strength.
Speaker 1: I appreciate everyone's sympathy. I can see a lots written
Speaker 1: to a mander of empathy and sympathy. However, I'm all
Speaker 1: about strength. So with that sympathy, we feel it, we
Speaker 1: love it in the sense that the support, but your
Speaker 1: strengths what we need. So yeah, we'll live with the
Speaker 1: strength of all you people that are supporting us in
Speaker 1: that way. That's how i want to thank you guys.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Of course, if you've got a question that hasn't been asked,
Speaker 2: or maybe you know information, you can always send it
Speaker 2: to us. The email address is what happened to Eden
Speaker 2: at gmail dot com. We'll put that in the show notes.
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